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Getting Back Into Shape While At The Office?

rhuntley12 writes "Personally, I sit at a computer desk for 10 hours a day with very little actual work. I've also started to get a little belly and out of shape. I know it's real bad in my office, especially with all the beer I consume. What do you do to stay in shape? Any secrets? Recently I've started to do sit ups, push ups, and running up and down the stairs. I get a lot of odd looks, and would prefer something that doesn't make the whole office stare at me. I've looked through some websites with equipment, but it's all serious equipment I can't/won't lug into work. Any suggestions?"

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  1. Let's make a deal by krog · · Score: 5, Funny

    Eureka! I've got it.

    We can switch lives. I bike everywhere, including to work, so exercise is omnipresent. How about I take your job drinking beer ten hours a day, and you get some exercise. To keep it fair we can split our pay evenly. You can even fuck my girlfriend sometimes (again, good exercise).

    Now, does your workplace have taps, or is it all bottled beer? Domestic or imported? Is there a good bitter or porter there? I must know these things before we continue.

    You're welcome.

    1. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You can even fuck my girlfriend sometimes

      Uh, that reminds me, I've been meaning to tell ya somethin' dude...

    2. Re:Let's make a deal by chowdmouse · · Score: 5, Funny

      Shucks! Beats the hell out of Atkins. Send picture of girlfriend and bike. We'll talk.

    3. Re:Let's make a deal by Illserve · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He's got a good point. Bike ride to work.

      It works for me. Saves me money in car gas and parking and depending on how far you have to go, takes the same amount of time as driving.

      Also, you make the earth cleaner, or some crap like that, but who cares. This is about YOU.

    4. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forget the girlfriend, just send a picture of the bike. I can just take the seat off and kill two birds with one stone.

    5. Re:Let's make a deal by TerryAtWork · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is a great message, however, if you're actually getting laid you have no business on /. , so I'd like to respectfully ask you to leave.

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    6. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell no, Atkins is awesome. I dropped from 270 to 250 in 12 days just not eating carbs.

    7. Re:Let's make a deal by Alan · · Score: 1

      Sadly this isn't practical for everyone, especially if you are unlucky enough to live a fair amount away from work, or have to carry things in. Sometimes getting up a couple hours earlier to bike into work just won't work.

    8. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I went from 220 to 180 since February. Just in time for the summer, too.

    9. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha! That is nothing! I went from 130lbs to 95lbs in less than one month! Beat that!

    10. Re:Let's make a deal by pizen · · Score: 1

      Distance isn't the only factor. I live in a semi-industrial part of town and I already fear for my life in my car (lots of big trucks, narrow urban streets). I pass bikers on the road and am always impressed by their nerves (or stupidity). It's only a few miles to work but I don't have a death wish.

    11. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha! At 95 lbs I could certainly give you a beating! "Ha!" indeed!

    12. Re:Let's make a deal by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      That sort of depends on how clean the air is. All that good exercise in smog isn't going to help too much. And do you have a fairly secure place to lock up your bike when you get to work?

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    13. Re:Let's make a deal by rmadmin · · Score: 3, Funny

      At the same time, if your married (which I am) and not getting laid, then you shouldn't be married. Then again, when you get married you rarely have sex anymore.. Guess thats why I'm still here. :-)

    14. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be good exercise for at least one of you

    15. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      or have to carry things in.

      I regularly bike with gear. Also from grocery store with a couple sixpacks, couple gallons of juice, etc.

      Sometimes getting up a couple hours earlier to bike into work just won't work.

      For great distances, perhaps. But if biking would add only an hour or two, it works if you are already considering going to gym for a couple hours.

      I've known people who biked 2 hours one way to work, but they've generally been real athletes as well. I've also known people who jogged home after carpool or bus to work.

      Where i live, the busses are rigged to carry bikes as well, so you can bike/bus to work, or use one one way and then switch.

      I live a comfortable 30 minute bike ride from work, or a speedy 18 minute ride if a server is down, which is actually faster than driving and hitting all green lights, but i'm also fortunate there's a great bike path in between me an work (not just luck, i plan where i live & work).

    16. Re:Let's make a deal by bmj · · Score: 1

      Sadly this isn't practical for everyone, especially if you are unlucky enough to live a fair amount away from work, or have to carry things in. Sometimes getting up a couple hours earlier to bike into work just won't work.

      It's actually just a lifestyle choice. I won't take a job that I can't bike to. For me, I love riding, even in heavy traffic, and my wife and I share one car and I don't want to use it to get to work. If you've got a lot of stuff to take in, get a big messenger bag, or panniers. Just make the decision to do it.

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    17. Re:Let's make a deal by SubtleNuance · · Score: 1

      The problem is your not living close enough to work, your City is being/has been designed poorly and you're local government isnt in touch. Have a look at this website on Sprawl

      I ride to work because I live in an old part of town, in a 100yr+ old semi-detached brownstone. My employer is a few blocks away -- why? because I *chose* to live here to be near to work (smart eh?).

      Over the last 30 years urban density has decreased by 30% WHILE N.America has become more urbanized AND population has increased; the end result is urban systems designed around the auto and not the individual. COMPLETELY BROKEN.

      Besides the health and environmental benefits, slowing sprawl will help ease public spending. Sprawl is terribly expensive; sure its cheap for you to plant a cheap home on a former farm outside of town, but the province/municipality has to pay to service that property -- not the developer and not the buyer... so you end up having existing neighbourhoods paying to build someone else's fresh suburb... all in all a *bad* way to live.

      My suggestion: move closer to work. And lobby the local government for better public transport, bike-ways and pedestrian space... and GET OUT OF YOUR CAR.

    18. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, and did you put it right back on again, and then some?

    19. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have kids, do you?

    20. Re:Let's make a deal by MURD3R3R · · Score: 1

      I just bike when the day is done, I head out at 6:30 to 7:30pm (kinda late I know) and ride 25 miles with a friend. I get back home before 10:00pm. I live in a hot area of the United States so that is the perfect time to ride I think, it is much cooler out. I don't ride the bike in the morning to work, I like to sleep in ;) MURD3R3R

    21. Re:Let's make a deal by Uber+Banker · · Score: 1

      The Atkins diet substanially increases your chances of developing kidney stones.

      And, no alchohol (or very little after a time) is allowed... so I don't think it'll affect this guy who drinks beer for 10 hours a day.

    22. Re:Let's make a deal by Deflagro · · Score: 1

      If you want to make it even worse...have kids. I've almost forgotten what sex is. :(

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    23. Re:Let's make a deal by rbook · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My Dad lost a lot of weight on Adkins ... but it killed his kidneys and that caused congestive heart failure.

      Three doctors have told me that staying fat is healthier than doing Adkins.

    24. Re:Let's make a deal by Pirogoeth · · Score: 1

      because I *chose* to live here to be near to work (smart eh?).

      I wish I had this option. Unfortunately, to live within 15 miles of where I work, I'd be paying triple for what I live in now, plus with half the land. I couldn't afford it.

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    25. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but the flesh-eating-bacteria diet is out of vogue these days....

    26. Re:Let's make a deal by Edward_M · · Score: 1

      *cue Nelsons voice* Ha Ha ...
      Oh shit, I'm getting married this weekend... damn :(

    27. Re:Let's make a deal by hoggoth · · Score: 1

      Damn... at least I know I'm not the only one.
      My wife said I could get a girlfriend as long as I take out the garbage on my way out.

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    28. Re:Let's make a deal by cdrudge · · Score: 4, Funny

      Some friendly advice a friend once gave me:
      During the first year, put a penny in a jar for everytime you have sex. After the first year, take a penny out everytime. The jar won't ever be empty

    29. Re:Let's make a deal by PeterChenoweth · · Score: 1

      Similar thing happend to my father-in-law. Was on Adkins for 9 months and was close to kidney failure. Many doctors and nurses I know have said the same thing; Adkins will do terrible things to your heart and kidneys.

    30. Re:Let's make a deal by Choobius+Gothicus · · Score: 4, Informative
      This is wholly unsubstantiated, and mainly applied to individuals already diagnosed with kidney problems. If this were true, we would experience an epidemic of this phenomenon from people such as weightlifters who are recommended to eat 1gm/lb body wgt/day, much more than Atkins recommends.

      The numbers don't lie for a proper implementation of the Atkins Diet: higher HDL, lower LDL, reduction of risk/elimination of Diabetes (type II), reduced volatility in blood sugar levels, etc...

      A proper implementation != bacon and eggs for breakfast, 1 pound of macadamia nuts for lunch, and large quantities of prime rib and lobster for dinner, with butter and cheese for snacks. Although these foods are welcome, it's all in moderation. Atkins is a well balanced diet (not a fad diet) with an emphasis on severe reduction of carbs. There's a mini-conspiracy brewing with the food industry and their disagreement with this diet. The profit margin for serving hamburgers on enriched flour bread is substantial, and the extra value meal has an even larger profit margin %.

      The FDA recommends that individuals ingest approximately 300g of carbohydrates a day. This amount is awful for just about any individual other than one who ingests pasta and whole wheat exclusively, and bikes 25 miles/day. For everyone else, this is simply a recipe for a spare tire (man) or a bubble butt/hips (woman). Obviously, the individual beginning this thread is not a threat of doing significant bike riding daily.

    31. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow at least I know *I'm* not the only one. my wife said something similar. She got so tired of my pestering her for some "action" that she said go ahead and sleep around, just dont catch anything.

      sheesh. takes the fun out of affairs.

    32. Re:Let's make a deal by Afrosheen · · Score: 1

      "and GET OUT OF YOUR CAR."

      Hell no! I just bought a Mitsubishi Evo 8 and there's no way I'm riding a bicycle to work. Plus I live in Dallas, work in downtown, and downtown is full of creeps begging for change (seriously, it's getting to be an epidemic). I'd much rather drive than walk or ride a bike.

      Don't get me wrong, I've ridden the train to work and walked from the station. A few weeks of that was enough to send me to the dealership. Dealing with 100 degrees plus temperature isn't any fun either.

      Maybe if I was living in some kinda West Coast wonderland, where summer isn't hot and winter isn't cold, I'd change my tune. Then again, there's the Evo 8. Who knows.

    33. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh. No. Atkins is the easiest diet to keep to. Just stop eating bagels and drinking soda and you are already cutting your carbs in half. For dinner last night I had grilled salmon on a bed of mesculin greens with roasted asparagus. Why would I ever get off of that diet.

      The trick is to not go extreme with it. Atkins doesn't tell you to eat steaks, bacon, and lard all the time. It tells you to just eat less bread, pasta, and sugar.

    34. Re:Let's make a deal by SubtleNuance · · Score: 1

      well, really, w/r/t the space, no there is not much you can do about that. More density does (kinda) mean less "land" -- but that can be balanced with parks, greenspaces, community farms etc wich help take the edge off most 'urban' areas...

      As for it 'costing triple' thats not really true. see, the whole community (both yoruself and the urbanites are paying taxes that make it appear your saving money out in the burbs... not really true. tax / regulatory systems have to be changed to end the subsidy of sprawl.

    35. Re:Let's make a deal by aberant · · Score: 1

      being a bicycling person myself, i find it easy to keep in some form of shape by biking to work and then biking a couple miles to school right after. I also save money by not having to shell out bus & train money. i later use that money to buy beer.. it's a very delicate and wonderfull cycle (no pun intended) i have developed... 8)

    36. Re:Let's make a deal by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Funny
      Heck,

      I know how to "get in shape"...

      The shape is "Round".

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    37. Re:Let's make a deal by darkov · · Score: 1

      You can even fuck my girlfriend sometimes (again, good exercise).

      Well, I can confirm that wanking sure as hell doesn't work.

    38. Re:Let's make a deal by teh*fink · · Score: 1

      Don't get me wrong, I've ridden the train to work and walked from the station. A few weeks of that was enough to send me to the dealership. Dealing with 100 degrees plus temperature isn't any fun either.

      i feel really, really sad for you.

      evoevoevoevoevoevoevoevoevoevoevo

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    39. Re:Let's make a deal by Uber+Banker · · Score: 1

      I think you answered my point.

      "The FDA recommends that individuals ingest approximately 300g of carbohydrates a day. This amount is awful for just about any individual other than one who ingests pasta and whole wheat exclusively, and bikes 25 miles/day"

      Everyone should eat only these types of carbs (well, exclusive is not necessary, but certinly not more than two pieces of fruit). And everyone should do at least an hour of moderate exercise every day (anything cardiovascular that increases the heartbeat). Fact is most don't.

      Hell, white flour and added sugars are pure evil.

      However, thin != healthy.

      As for wholly unsubstantiated... the Atkins diet has only been in widespread practice a short while and doesn't lend itself to clinical trials well... but for the kidney stone reference there was an article on page 3 of Monday's Times (reputable UK newspaper) refering to a recent university study. This has been the first clinical trial.

      For you reference to weight lifters... yes they do care about their kidneys a whole lot. Most drink a substantial amount of water to 'flush' the kidneys (they also have higher water requirements from creatine supplementation). But in the end they are in a profession and it is a means to an end.

      Please check your facts before jumping on the Atkins bandwagon.

    40. Re:Let's make a deal by default+luser · · Score: 1

      tax / regulatory systems have to be changed to end the subsidy of sprawl.

      The problem today is, wherever you go, most places cater to the car, and it's not just suburbia. These days, most large cities in America have an expressway or two cutting it right down the middle, severing it like a knife.

      I believe Lewis Mumford had the right idea, recognizing that the whole concept of the city vs surburbia had to be rethought into a network of garden cities.

      The only problem is this dream can never be realized. Technology and capitalism drive the city; they are the reason cities filled to bursting at the turn of the 20th century, and have emptied by the turn of the 21st.

      Face it, you cannot legislate this drive out of existence, not unless you close down the expressways. But you keep riding your bike, and spread the message.

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    41. Re:Let's make a deal by cens0r · · Score: 1

      But bread, pasta, and sugar aren't necessairly bad for you. It's the kind of bread, pasta, and sugar that most of eat. Whole grain breads, small portions of al dente pasta, waxy potatoes, carrots, fresh fruit all contain good carbs. White bread, refined white sugar, high fructose corn syrup, etc, shouldn't be eaten by anyone... The trick is to just eat a good diet, everything in moderation.

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    42. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need better doctors. Congestive heart failure is caused by a leaky heart valve, which causes the lungs to become congested with fluid. A leaky heart valve could be caused by a blood infection, which could be caused by kidney failure (or many other things).

      However if your father lost "a lot" (I assume 30Kg or more) of weight, and suddenly, then his kidneys were probably already under a substantial strain.

      The "strict" part of the Atkins diet (inducing ketosis, where your body's fat reserves will be consumed) is not intended for life - the real message to take away is just to avoid excess amounts of raw sugars (soft drinks, or processed foods with additional sweeteners like corn syrup) and other carbohydrates (bread, potatoes, and pasta).

    43. Re:Let's make a deal by cens0r · · Score: 1

      I used to live in dallas, and if the beggars bother you there, trust me when i say you never want to move to the west coast wonderland as you put it. Depending on what kind of place you want to live in, there are lots of great places near downtown to live. You could combine your bike with the dart train and get to most anywhere. I personally was partial to the lofts in deep ellum and the west end when I was single. But the addition of a live in GF caused that to be a problem. I suggest looking at houses around lower greenville or in oak cliff (don't let the bad rep scare you, there are some really great areas, and now is the time to move in). If you're still to far away, bike to a park and ride and take the train. You don't have to bike every day, but there are plenty of nice days almost year round where you could do it.

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    44. Re:Let's make a deal by Choobius+Gothicus · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Your facts (as well as mine) can often be speculative and subject to interpretation.

      I'm going to get off the ideology of not consuming large quantities of saturated fats momentarily and reflect on one of the more notable long term real life trials that exist today. This example is based from evidence drawn from a sterilized clinical trial, but rather a true to life example of the Masai and other tribes existing for the last 10,000 years (kinda beats any existing trial out there by far). This tribe consistently ate over 300g of fats/day, mostly saturated. The tribesmens' diets consisted of virtually no carbohydrates. In the end, autopsies of these tribal members discovered that the evidence of lipid build-up in the arteries was marginal. In addition, treadmill tests (of live tribesmen of course) resulted in these individuals having comparable or superior performance to Olympic champions.

      I invited you to google research performed by Professor George Mann from Vanderbilt University. Although the evidence wasn't aggregated in a labratory as such, it cannot be argued that the duration of this standing test beats out anything the FDA has implemented.

      In conclusion, most evidence of kidney failure and such are attibuted to high fat/high carb diets. When carbs are drastically reduced/eliminated, the problem is severly mitigated.

    45. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Loosing water weight with Atkins is not the same as loosing fat weight.

    46. Re:Let's make a deal by Alan · · Score: 1

      No offense, but not everyone can afford to move closer to where they work, or work somewhere closer to where they live. It's a good theory, but I think that there are alternatives to working at wendys instead of your current job or paying twice the rent/mortgage just to go about getting in shape :)

    47. Re:Let's make a deal by Seanasy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      According to my med student girlfriend, the kidney problem is related to too much protein, not fat. Apparently kidneys have a problem processing lots of protein.

    48. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just a question, not meant to cause offense - but why do you need double the land? Are you growing food to feed your family or your neighborhood? Part of living responsibly is understanding that we all don't need big lots that are used for a barbeque 3 times a year and for mowing once a week. We made the choice to move closer in to a smaller lot and more dense part of the city. Now we can bike/walk all over - and enjoy ourselves much more than we did in the suburbs... And yes, do have kids....

    49. Re:Let's make a deal by Choobius+Gothicus · · Score: 1
      Understood, but the evidence to support this is only based on a high-protein diet with more than a negligible amount of carbs. Humans have lived on a meat only diet for 2.4 million years, but have only begun low-fat/high-carb diets, what, about 40-50 years or so. Diabetes is up, obesity is up...where does it end?

      I guess discipline is the key whatever diet you choose, but discipline seems to come easy when you're under ketosis like me! :)

    50. Re:Let's make a deal by joe+six+pack+walmart · · Score: 0

      how about looking for great deals at your local walmart. saving money can sure help you break a sweat.

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    51. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      And everyone should do at least an hour of moderate exercise every day (anything cardiovascular that increases the heartbeat).

      My heart-rate increases when I'm playing a really intense match of Starcraft. Does that count?
    52. Re:Let's make a deal by gray+code · · Score: 1

      did she mean it? would you do it?

    53. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      It's actually just a lifestyle choice. I won't take a job that I can't bike to. For me, I love riding, even in heavy traffic, and my wife and I share one car and I don't want to use it to get to work. If you've got a lot of stuff to take in, get a big messenger bag, or panniers. Just make the decision to do it.


      Nice if you have the $$$ to buy your house on the right side of the tracks. I couldn't afford a house on the same side of the freeway as my job. All the underpasses in the area are whirlwinds of cars pouring on/off the freeway.

      I'll take my chances with congestive heart failure before taking that on with a bike in rush hour.

    54. Re:Let's make a deal by esobofh · · Score: 1

      I tend to think the cause of the worlds problems is from cramming people together - it's hard keep the best interests of the world in mind, when you live in a concrete jungle. Telecommuting is the answer.. the guvmint needs to give corporations a break for allowing employees to work from home. Who needs to go into the office to do their job in this day and age anyway?? If I was telecommuting - I'd save fuel, money, time - at least then the plight of the world is left in the hands of the people.. rather than corporations and governments that could care less.

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    55. Re:Let's make a deal by gabec · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Actually on that topic, here's something no one talks about that I'm curious about: I'm in the same situation as the original poster (sit in front of a PC 10 hours a day) but unlike him I'm still under weight. I try to take walks on my lunch break and when I can stand to I'll exercise after work. But I'm pretty wimpy, all things considered.

      Anyway, being under weight, I've considered buying some weight-gainer stuff. (I've been ~130lbs since I was 16. I'm 24 now.) But since I sit on my ass for a minimum of 10 hours a day and work out for a twentieth of that time, I figure weight gainer wouldn't help me gain weight *and* stay in shape.

      So for those that exercise regularly, what keeps you from saying "aw, fuckit. I'll exercise tomorrow instead."? How do you keep motivated to do it?

      And for those that might be in my position, how do you go about healthily gaining weight? What (online?) resources have helped you have a healthy diet that will help you gain weight (slowly or otherwise)?

    56. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As for it 'costing triple' thats not really true.

      Like hell it is. If my rent/mortgage payment before taxes is 3x what I pay outside of the city, then it is certainly true. And given that the property tax rate is 2x high in the city than outside of it, then it's even more! Want to stop sprawl? Provide schools that are worth a damn and aren't practically run by juvinile delinquents. Crack down hard on criminals, bums, and raze the slums. Make them not a cesspool that most people want to flee and then they won't. As it stands now, people are voting with their feet and cities keep moving boundaries in order to chase taxpayers.

    57. Re:Let's make a deal by harrkev · · Score: 2, Informative
      Humans have lived on a meat only diet for 2.4 million years

      This is certainly news. In most primitive cultures, men do the "hunting" (meat), while women do the "gathering" (fruit, vegetables, nuts, etc.). The men get all of the glory -- mostly because an apple tree does not run when you try to pick fruit. However, women contribute most of the total calories.

      Also, look in the mirror. You probably do not have huge "fangs," which are characteristics of meat eaters.

      I doubt that it would even be possible to live more than a few months on meat alone.
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    58. Re:Let's make a deal by rthille · · Score: 1

      Back from the honeymoon less than a month ago and you're already complaining about not getting laid? Wow, time to start thinking about getting anulled instead!

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    59. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      check your teeth, humans are not carnavores.
      2.4 million years of Hunting & gathering (note the last part) means that most of the diet was plant, with large animal added when available.
      One of the important parts of H&G is you get what you find. Not steak and potatos, then pork & potatos then roast & potatos, then and potatos...

      The 40-50 year thing also matches a move from heavy manual labour to a white collar work world.

    60. Re:Let's make a deal by 36526542DD · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot that doesn't know anything.

      Ketosis is a true principle and NOT something Dr. Atkins just made up.

      Your body has 2 choices in fuel: glucose from carbohydrates, or fat. Period.

      If you remove the glucose, the body has no choice but to burn fat or die. I've been on the Atkins diet for a week now and lost 12 lbs, and I feel great. I have far more energy that a week ago, particularly mental energy (as a carbo-junkie I got drowsey and lethargic every afternoon).

      I'm peeing like a russian race horse, which is hardly a sign of a dehydrated body. In fact, it is a sign of proper hydration.

      I'd wager that of the 12 lbs I've lost, 11 of it is fat. That would be in line with the results of other doing the Atkins diet during medical studies.

      Read more, maybe even try it or talk to someone who does before you spew out the first dietary buzz-phrase that comes into your narrow little uninformed mind.

    61. Re:Let's make a deal by Uber+Banker · · Score: 1

      hmmm... thats akin to saying if i have a feather in my left shirt pocket I am not likely to get kidney failure, because although people who carry feathers have had kidney failure, none of them have had a single feather in their left shirt pocket in a clinical trial.

      Oh, and humans used to have the bulk of their diet on carbs since farming was discovered, i.e., since we gave up being hunter gathers. Meat has been a luxury in the last 10,000+ years.

    62. Re:Let's make a deal by Jeremi · · Score: 1
      I've read the almost all of the big cats (lions, tigers, etc) kept in zoos die at around the same age, and for the same reason: their steady diet of nothing but meat causes their kidneys to go out. Unfortunately, they refuse to eat anything else.


      I don't know if that same problem occurs in humans or not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

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      I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
    63. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People should probably be getting carbs from sources other than refined sugar and flour. That doesn't mean that your only carb sources should be pasta and whole what. One hour a day of cardio is overkill for anybody who isn't training for some athletic event, you can get excellent results in much less time. One possibility is interval or fartlek training combined with weights. Monday's Times is not a reputatable source for medical research, do you have a reference to the actual paper reporting the results? All of the previous studies that showed kidney problems involved people who already had kidney problems. Weight lifters are not the only ones who eat 1 g/lb protein diets, many other competitive athletes do this as well, and have been doing it for decades now. In summary, your claim that "The Atkins diet substanially increases your chances of developing kidney stones," is unsubstantiated. The previous poster's comments do nothing to "answer [your] point." Here's a tip, if you think that the Times is a reputable source for medical research information then you really shouldn't be commenting on any of this at all.

    64. Re:Let's make a deal by 36526542DD · · Score: 0

      The Atkins diet doesn't suggest you do live on meat alone.

      You do a 2 week induction period consisting of liberal amounts of fish, fowl, shellfish, meat, eggs, and vegetables.

      After the 2 weeks (or up to 4 weeks if you choose) you can increase the amount of carbs you eat from 20 to 40 or 60 per day, as long as you maintain your weightloss.

      After the diet you maintain your weight by increasing your carbs to the point of balance, no loss no gain.

      Who said anything about living on meat? In reality, I'm not eating that much more meat than I did before, I just don't eat the bun, the fries, or the drink.

      Amazing, I eliminate junkfood from my diet, eat very healthy, lose weight, have more energy, sleep better, feel better, and people say "Great, good for you". Call the exact same thing the Atkins Diet and they say "Oh, you're going to die of kidney failure and heart disease".

      Our entire society is disgustingly fat and undernourished, and I bet you $100 I'm more healthy and live longer than 75% of them. The winner gets paid at the first funeral, see you at yours.

    65. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do whole grain breads have that makes them better than white breads?

      I'll tell you, in a word: Fiber.

      That's right. The only thing that whole wheat has over white bread is that it holds your shit together better. All the nutrition absorbed by your body comes from the kernel or "white" part of the grain.

    66. Re:Let's make a deal by oOo+Shiva+oOo · · Score: 1

      High protein deits do nto represent nutritionally balanced eating and may prove harmful to *some* dieters. It is true that HDL levels increase and LDL levels decrease, but the foods themselves are very high in cholesterol and saturated fats, which are now established as the major reasons for heart attacks and strokes. The biggest problem I see with high protein diets, however, is the resulting loss of calcium to your bones which may lead to osteoperosis. Protien overload forces your kidneys to try to eliminat large amounts of urea, which is a by-product of protein metabolism. Many high protien diets, including Atkins prohibit foods which are known to lower the risks associated with heart disease and cancers. It is true that for a sedentary person high protein diets will cause you to lose weight. Unfortunately when you go off the diet the weight comes back very rapidly. Almost no working "rapid weight loss" diets are meant to be on indefinately... just long enough to lower you near your desired weight, then the diet is altered to match proper caloric intake so the individual's weight remains where desired. Even the ever popular calorie-restrictive diets are meant to be on in cycles so you lose the weight at a healthy speed while your body recouperates from the stress you're putting on it. Most any rapid weight loss diet will eventually cause harm by robbing you of nutrients you may need or stressing your body with too many of certain types of food. The human body was built for diversity. A real diet is more of a life style change, you eat healthier and get proper exercise and eventually the weight will go and the body will remain healthy without having to count every calorie you take in. Altering your lifestyle will cause the weight to stay down. Now if you're an active individual, however, you need the energy that carbohydrates give you, especially if you compete or plan to compete in something, even at a low level for fun. Your body burns 23 calories for every 100 calories of carbohydrate it digets, but only 3 calories for every 100 fat calories... Carbohydrate is the PREFERRED fuel of the body. There are lots of other reasons to avoid high protien diets, including the fact that they deprive you of the enormous benefits of fiber, which is a form of carbohydrate. A large part of the weight loss invovled with high protein diets is water weight and lean muscle mass... not fat. You lose water because your kidneys try to rid your body of the excess waste products of protein and fat, called ketones, that the body makes. If you're going to use bodybuilders as an example, bodybuilders may look great but they're generally not super healthy... They're meant to look immaculate for a few short years of their lives and disregard the problems it may cause. Not to say they're less healthy than your average, overweight american or anything. They put tremendous stress on their bodies to do the awesome things they can do and it eventually takes its toll for many of them who don't slow down. People who do suppliment with protien generally only intake 20-60 grams a day or so and watch their diet. These individuals are usually involved with the gym and or activities where their bodies make use of the protien rather than letting it sit there for the body to make a futile attempt to get rid of as you keep cramming more down it. Unfortuantely, there is little you can do at the workplace without looking like a crackpot unless your employer offers facilities to do so. I would highly suggest lowering or removing completely the alcohol from the diet as it is just empty calories ( I drank more than almost anyone I knew in high school so don't tell me its not possible, I got into personal training and rearranged my life style, my friends all gained 40+ lbs. after highschool and i dropped 20 by simply dropping soda and alcohol from my system ) and also high sugar drinks like sodas or juices that contain High Fructose Corn Syrup... read the label.. the information is conveniently placed on there. Now the exercise issue. We've

    67. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's stupidity. I'm not saying all bikers are stupid, but statistics bear it out; even more so than cell phone drivers.

    68. Re:Let's make a deal by 36526542DD · · Score: 0

      Yeah, well, tons of doctors smoke, and the average life expectancy for a doctor is 58,compared to 73 - 77 for the rest of us. So maybe we're best only consulting them if we need surgery.

      I'm sorry about your Dad, but the Atkins diet is safe if you do the diet right. He may have chosen to eat beef, ribs, steak, and more beef all day everyday, and you would lose weight that way, but that isn't what the atkins diet teaches.

      It teaches balance and variety, while reducing carbo-ediction (something human bodies weren't meant for, its new since the 1890's when white flour and soda pop came into play). Granted the first 2 weeks of the diet is more extreme than the rest, but done right it is very safe and healthy.

      If I stayed on my previous course, I guarantee you I'd have diabetes and be insulin dependent, eventually loosing my eyesight and probably my feet. Now I feel I have a chance, and I feel great, with lots of energy. I don't get shakey and headaches now like I did before (hypoglycemic).

      Again, I'm sorry about your Dad, but the Atkins diet has helped far more than it has hurt. Like seatbelts and airbags, which occaisionally cause fatalities, but prevent far, far more.

    69. Re:Let's make a deal by gandalf+the+grey · · Score: 1

      I am not suggesting living on meat alone is a healthy option. But the meat only diet will work. However, the meat must be concumed shortly after the kill for it to be effective. The enzymes and vitamins found in animal flesh begin to decay very quicklly after death. Hense, it is the move towards processing and shipping which has "ruined" meat. The farmer who kills and eats a chicken is getting a much healthier nutritional profile that the person who buys a chicken at the store.
      The artic expdetion who was stuck, please excuse my lack of details, lived on a diet of fresh seal meat and did not develop scurvy or any other diseases associated with high animal product diets. Because the meat was fresh it provided all of thier nutritional needs..

    70. Re:Let's make a deal by azav · · Score: 1

      I heard it was their pancreas.

      Would be beneficial to find out since I eat a LOT of meat and would prefer to love long and prosper.

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    71. Re:Let's make a deal by oOo+Shiva+oOo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      High protein deits do not represent nutritionally balanced eating and may prove harmful to *some* dieters.

      It is true that HDL levels increase and LDL levels decrease, but the foods themselves are very high in cholesterol and saturated fats, which are now established as the major reasons for heart attacks and strokes.

      The biggest problem I see with high protein diets, however, is the resulting loss of calcium to your bones which may lead to osteoperosis. Protien overload forces your kidneys to try to eliminate large amounts of urea, which is a by-product of protein metabolism.

      Many high protien diets, including Atkins prohibit foods which are known to lower the risks associated with heart disease and cancers.

      It is true that for a sedentary person high protein diets will cause you to lose weight. Unfortunately when you go off the diet the weight comes back very rapidly. Almost no working "rapid weight loss" diets are meant to be on indefinately... Just long enough to lower you near your desired weight, then the diet is altered to match proper caloric intake so the individual's weight remains where desired. Even the ever popular calorie-restrictive diets are meant to be on in cycles so you lose the weight at a healthy speed while your body recouperates from the stress you're putting on it. Most any rapid weight loss diet will eventually cause harm by robbing you of nutrients you may need or stressing your body with too many of certain types of food. The human body was built for diversity. (Although there is some research stating certain people process certain types of foods [lipids, protiens, carbs] better than others)

      A real diet is more of a life style change, you eat healthier and get proper exercise and eventually the weight will go and the body will remain healthy without having to count every calorie you take in. Altering your lifestyle will cause the weight to stay down.

      Now if you're an active individual, however, you need the energy that carbohydrates give you, especially if you compete or plan to compete in something, even at a low level for fun. Your body burns 23 calories for every 100 calories of carbohydrate it digets, but only 3 calories for every 100 fat calories... Carbohydrate is the PREFERRED fuel of the body. There are lots of other reasons to avoid high protien diets, including the fact that they deprive you of the enormous benefits of fiber, which is a form of carbohydrate.

      A large part of the weight loss invovled with high protein diets is water weight and lean muscle mass... not fat. You lose water because your kidneys try to rid your body of the excess waste products of protein and fat, called ketones, that the body makes. If you're going to use bodybuilders as an example, bodybuilders may look great but they're generally not super healthy... They're meant to look immaculate for a few short years of their lives and disregard the problems it may cause. Not to say they're less healthy than your average, overweight american or anything. They put tremendous stress on their bodies to do the awesome things they can do and it eventually takes its toll for many of them who don't slow down. People who do suppliment with protein generally only intake 20-60 grams a day or so and watch their diet. These individuals are usually involved with the gym and or activities where their bodies make use of the protien rather than letting it sit there for the body to make a futile attempt to get rid of as you keep cramming more down it.

      Unfortuantely, there is little you can do at the workplace without looking like a crackpot unless your employer offers facilities to do so. I would highly suggest lowering or removing completely the alcohol from the diet as it is just empty calories ( I drank more than almost anyone I knew in high school so don't tell me its not possible, I got into personal training and rearranged my life style, my friends all gained 40+ lbs. after highschool and i dropped 20 by simply dropping soda and alcohol from m

    72. Re:Let's make a deal by aoteoroa · · Score: 1

      Also, look in the mirror. You probably do not have huge "fangs," which are characteristics of meat eaters.


      That's true. But it is also true that we do not have flat molars (they're ridged), and a jaw with rotary movements designed to crush and grind food.

      We probably shouldn't need to study a fact that was obvious to our parents. We are omnivors and thrive when we receive food from all four food groups.
      wolf vs sheep vs shepherd

    73. Re:Let's make a deal by 36526542DD · · Score: 0

      Not entirely true. There is a huge difference in the Glycemic Index value of the two. And the GI is really what the Atkins diet is all about, and where 90% of this country problems come from.

      Wonderbread is 77 on the GI, a bagel is 73, and many wheat/oat/bran/whole grain breads are in the 30's and 40's. THAT is the difference.

      You can educate yourself on the GI, if you care (which I doubt). If you lower the average GI of all the food you eat, you'll be substantially healthier than if you don't. Period. This includes signifigantly lowering your chances and symptoms of hypoglycemia (pre-diabetes), hyperglycemia (diabetes), cancer, and most other diseases.

      It has almost nothing to do with holding your terd together.

    74. Re:Let's make a deal by PatientZero · · Score: 4, Interesting
      When I moved to San Francisco back in 1995, I was a little overweight (180 vs. 165 target) and in poor shape from no exercise. I compounded the problem by discovering the many fine microbreweries in the City and ballooned to 195.

      The first thing I had to do was stop beating myself up for being fat and accept that my body was how it was. I began looking in the mirror and saying, "Hey, that's not me" rather than, "God what a piece of shit." Changing my attitude toward myself allowed me to take the next step.

      That next step was finding an activity that I really liked. I love to ski, but I don't get to do it often. But rollerblading is very similar in feel and fun aspect. I began rollerblading after work every night. I wanted to do it for an hour every night, but it was so damn fun I didn't want to stop before two hours.

      Six weeks later I had dropped 30 pounds and had very nice, firm calves and legs. And DAMN did my butt look good. I've floated around 170 since then. Sometimes I'm in better shape; sometimes not. But I find that the key is finding activities you enjoy anyway and people to do them with.

      I also took a diet/exercise course a little while ago that showed *why* eating healthy helps your body to remain healthy and strong as well as how to exercise effectively. Better to simply eat right than worry about cutting calories.

      Fruit, vegetables, whole wheat and grains, dietary fiber, drop enriched/processed/refined foods, etc. Skip the Atkins diet as it's just not necessary, and there's enough evidence that it's not safe.

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    75. Re:Let's make a deal by 36526542DD · · Score: 0

      Exactly the same can be said for ANY type of live food, including vegetables and fruits.

      That is why Atkins recommends, and I agree, that everyone should take a nutritional suplement. No exceptions.

      There's no reason not to. "But you just pee out most of it"... Who cares? I'm better off with the 10% that remains than none at all. For the $10 a month I spend in vitamins, it's worth it. And I feel better and get sick less when I take them than when I don't.

      So, we've come full circle to the fact that Atkins is a healthy diet involving a balance of food, not just meat, and eliminating the most harmful things in the U.S. diet, with an added bonus of vitamins.

      What's not to like?

    76. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get so tired of this "you should live walking distance to work" crap. Get with the 80's

      I am not going to move every time I change jobs. Face it. In today's workplace, 3 years with a company is a decent stretch and 5 years is a good stretch. There is no way in hell I'm gonna move that often.

      Do you have a husband and/or wife who works? Whadayado when your new job is 40 miles from your spouse's job? Live apart? Divorce? Pull the bitch out of the workplace and slap her back in the kitchen where she belongs?

      Do you have kids? Are they in school? Are you gonna jerk them around every time you change jobs so daddy can feel all superior about biking to work.

      I moved into my current house when I got a job in the area. Since then I have had a job a miserable 20 miles down the miserable freeway. (didn't last too long because I hated the drive) I've gotten another job in the neighborhood just to see them close the local office to consolidate w/ another office (yep, 20 miles away). Fortunately, I've been able to transition to work-at-home 4 days a week.

      The folks that I know who put up with miserable commutes didn't do it by intention (they set themselves up right, and then the job changed the rules) and they didn't stick with it for the green lawns. They did it to let the kids graduate from the school that they started from, or because their SO was working in the community that they lived.

    77. Re:Let's make a deal by Dastardly · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So for those that exercise regularly, what keeps you from saying "aw, fuckit. I'll exercise tomorrow instead."? How do you keep motivated to do it?

      This is one of those stupid sayings you hear, but the best exercise is the one that you will do. So, the key to exercising regularly is to find something you like doing. I enjoy swimming. I also swam competetively in high scool and college and coached some, so I know how to make good workouts. When I decided I needed to lose weight swimming was the obvious choice. So, find something you like and do that.

      If you are looking for muscle gain, you may want to get the gym membership and a trainer. They can help with 2 things.

      1) Diet. Get the calorie count, and food mix right so you can build the muscle as needed without putting on fat.

      2) Teach you how to exercise correctly. Avoid over training and injuries.

      Dastardly

    78. Re:Let's make a deal by lightistoobright · · Score: 1

      Finding something you enjoy is definitely key. May I suggest rock climbing? There are indoor gyms in most major cities. If you're a scrawny guy who wants to get some nice muscles, you might find climbing far more enjoyable than a weight room. It is incredibly satisfying to get to the top of a wall that you previously couldn't do, and you don't even notice that you're getting a full body workout while you're at it!

      Lest you think it's all about strength, I'll mention that I am a skinny girl with not a lot of upper body strength, but I make up for it by having a good sense of balance.

      Just my sales pitch for my favorite sport. Give it a try! :)

    79. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could work for Costco like I do, and have a president who fears computers and refuses to allow anyone to telecommute. Hell, until a few years ago, he refused to even allow people to have a PC on their desk. And to get a laptop, it has to be approved by the CTO. In a company of 100k people, that is fucked up. Many of the workers in the IT/IS department here could work from home, but because of an anal-retentive technophobe as president, it'll never happen. At least I have a pair of OC3s to surf the net with from work :)

    80. Re:Let's make a deal by Captain+Beefheart · · Score: 1
      As for wholly unsubstantiated... the Atkins diet has only been in widespread practice a short while and doesn't lend itself to clinical trials well... but for the kidney stone reference there was an article on page 3 of Monday's Times (reputable UK newspaper) refering to a recent university study. This has been the first clinical trial.

      Respectfully, the Aktins diet experienced resurgence over ten years ago, hence the title, "The *New* Atkins Diet Revolution." His nutritional approach was originally published over thirty years ago. The NADR is chock-full of clinical trials and research--all of which has been done independently and without any support from Atkins or any affiliates of his--because he was a licensed practitioner, not a researcher. This is not the first clinical trial with regards to kidneys and low-carb diets, although it may be the first that specifically targets the Atkins approach. Not one published trial has linked Atkins to kidney problems.

      I invite you check out the book, if only to skim over the introduction at the bookstore, which wouldn't cost you a penny. If I can reverse just one person's misinformation, they can go on to correct others, who usually see it as the "high fat diet."

    81. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are a scrawny guy will most likely be good at climbing. But unfortunatly (or fortunatly if you want to climb really good) you will not get much bigger from rock climbing. Your forearms and back will get big, though.

      It's an awesome sport, though. If you are stubborn and want a sense of accomplishment, rock climb.

    82. Re:Let's make a deal by DeputySpade · · Score: 1

      Mine said something similar. Yes she did. No, I wouldn't.

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    83. Re:Let's make a deal by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      So for those that exercise regularly, what keeps you from saying "aw, fuckit. I'll exercise tomorrow instead."? How do you keep motivated to do it?

      I like the way I look when I exercise. I'll lift weights and stuff, so it makes my muscles more defined defined.. Without, I'm not happy with the way I look.. I'm not happy right now, because I haven't done it in a while, but I'm starting again tommorrow morning (baring any 6am pages)

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    84. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Accoriding to my urologist (sp?), too much protein can contribute to formation of kidney stones. They can fuck up your kidneys pretty good.

    85. Re:Let's make a deal by slaker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So what the hell do you do when there's absolutely nothing you like to do?

      You're approaching the issue from the standpoint of someone who found something that resembles an acceptable way to spend time while working out.

      To me, lifelong overweight guy, there is no "exercise I will do", that I know of. I've biked. I've walked. I've jogged. I've done freeweights and machines at gyms. I've done swimming and dancing and aerobics and every other goddamn thing someone could drag me to. To me, all exercise seems like punishment. I've never found a way to shake that attitude. You can imagine the success I've had with workout routines of any sort.

      I know I'm an extreme example, but a lot of other overweight geeks are in the same boat.

      Don't just say "Do the thing you will do." If there was a thing I would do, I'd be doing it and there wouldn't be an issue.

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    86. Re:Let's make a deal by Choobius+Gothicus · · Score: 1
      Your analogy is absolutely sound. The combination of a high-protein/low-carbohydrate diet is not the same as a high-protein/high-carbohydrate diet. The former is good for you, the latter is bad for you. The superfluous feathers contribute to coronary heart disease, diabetes, and all the latest diseases that have conveniently occurred since humans have shifted toward a more low-fat/high-carbohydrate lifestyle.

      That latter statement of meat being a luxury is simple not true, at least for the majority of the world. You're probably reflecting on your Humanities classes from college, the population of which still made up a small portion of the population. The Nomads, Tribesmen, and Native Americans still made up a majority of the diverse world. They were still living on a "Atkins-like" diet, while suffering fewer illnesses and being physically superior to the "civilized world".

      I guess what I'm getting down to is that discipline is key, and while discipline can be realized in any diet, I have personally never found an easier way to be discplined on my diet than this one. Ketosis is a natural way of living (has been for many centuries), and helps me concentrate on my job more, make me more sexually active, weened me off of coffee, and helped me to become physically stronger (I am a weightlifter too). I don't wish to go back to feeling cranky, bloated after meals, and hyperactive.

    87. Re:Let's make a deal by binarybum · · Score: 0

      haha you said fartlek!

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    88. Re:Let's make a deal by Bush+Pig · · Score: 1

      Our ancestors' diet also used to include a fair bit of "found" meat.

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    89. Re:Let's make a deal by Bush+Pig · · Score: 1

      I also cycle to work most of the time, about 15 km each way. I have decent panniers, so I can carry all my work clothes, and buy food and wine on the way home (I make my own beer). Because I'm uphill from work, it takes me about 35 min in and about 50 min out (I don't really push it), and it keeps what would be a ballooning waistline (from the home-made beer, see above) more-or-less under control.

      It does chew up a bit more of my day than driving or taking the bus, but not too much, as I'm quicker than the traffic into town. The only real downside is all the idiots with 4WDs, who take up far more than their share of the road.

      Basically, it's a matter of making a virtue out of a necessity (if I've cycled in, I _have_ to cycle home).

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    90. Re:Let's make a deal by Bush+Pig · · Score: 1

      Ah ... how nice. Someone else who's heard of Mumford.

      I must reread his stuff (haven't read it for about 30 yrs).

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    91. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Atkins diet will not cause kidney failure.

      If he had kidney problems it was a pre exisiting condition, it had nothing to do with his diet.

      What Atkins diet WILL do is to make you feel better, lose weight and be healthier in general, including cardiovascular.

    92. Re:Let's make a deal by hoggoth · · Score: 1

      My answer depends on if you are a man or a woman.

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    93. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Throw away your car keys. Or at least park really, really far away from your house. When i do that, i always bike everywhere i go, instead of thinking to myself "i'll bike next time". Now you may think "omfg, i cant bike everywhere". FUck that mentality, try it and see; would you ever tell yourself "i can't spend X hours/days learning X language"?

      As for gaining weight, i've been 5'8" and 135 for the past 11 years (17-27), but i don't think i look bad, nor does my gf, and the few times i show up at a gym, folks are rather impressed that i can do 20+ pullups, 20+ dips, 2 miles in 13 minutes, etc etc. Biking 15-20 miles a day can work wonders on more than just your legs, which will show some nice musculature after 2+ hours workout a day.

      I like biking b/c it's practical for me - I replace 1.5 hours of driving with 2 hours of biking. That's .5 hours more time i need but i get in a 2 hour workout too. Maybe you'll find something else; i've enjoyed jogging with some gf's i've had, but i liked the look of them all sweaty, then getting home, *almost* too tired, etc etc. In other words, jogging can be a date, a relationship building event as well. So could other physical activities "honey let's go canoeing/hiking/climbing". Try to find an activity that has some other purpose as well as being a decent workout.

      Good luck!

    94. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If you want to lose weight, but don't like any activities, you have to force yourself to excercise.

      On a related note, I had a manager that worked for a cleaning company part time. He said he would rather get excercise by working and getting paid, rather than paying to go to a gym.

    95. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you, Dr. AC. I is kind of you to give free advice on slashdot. However, I will stick with information from people I know in the medical field.

    96. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You've been working out just for the excercise. I work out b/c it's the only way i get to work, to the grocery store, to my friend's, to the bar (i bike everywhere).

      You've taken dancing? Why not also put it to use? Don't like dancing with your s.o.? How about martial arts? I've enjoyed added confidence. Is there anything you do other than your work? Like, i also do photography, sometimes outdoors. How do i get around? bike to a park with gear, bike back.

      Think you need to drive everywhere, that there's no benefit? Bike to work for about 1400 miles (just over 2 months for my distances) and buy yourself a new hard drive after that, using the saved gas money. Get back into dancing so you can strut your stuff at the next wedding you go to. Do wood working so as to build that Mech-treehouse and earn yourself a slashdotting as a reward.

      Reward yourself somehow, and/or don't make it a workout, make it an aspect of a larger goal you'd already want.

    97. Re:Let's make a deal by Pirogoeth · · Score: 1

      Actually it does cost triple. I paid about $150k for my home. The homes around my place of employment start in the "low $300s" for a little shack and go up from there. Unfortunately, people are willing to pay those prices, so they can get away with charging that.

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    98. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i eat almost nothing but carbs. been 135, 5'8" the past 11 years.

    99. Re:Let's make a deal by Pirogoeth · · Score: 1

      My current home sits on 1/3 acre. That's enough for a patio and a swingset and some space for the kids to run around. These houses are in the type of subdivision where the homes are about ten feet apart, and if you add a deck, you might have a strip of land about ten feet deep before you hit the edge of your property.

      I'm not looking to grow crops, but I'd like a little bit of room to stretch out...

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      Happiness is like peeing yourself. Everybody can see it but only you can feel its warmth.
    100. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you've tried lots of activites. However I'm zeroing in on your "geeks" keyword!

      If your a geek, you should try geocaching.com. I started recently. The geek part of me loved researching & purchasing a new GPS!

      The part of me that needs exercise loves that when i'm out walking through "Green Mountain" park for an hour climbing up & down hills. I never once think that I'm getting exercise. All I think of is finding that Geocache! Then later I look down at my GPS and realized that I just walked 3 miles!

      There are 180 geocaches in Denver Metro. I've been to 4!

      www.geocaching.com

    101. Re:Let's make a deal by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      The Nomads, Tribesmen, and Native Americans still made up a majority of the diverse world. They were still living on a "Atkins-like" diet, while suffering fewer illnesses and being physically superior to the "civilized world".

      What was the life expectancy of these superior nomads? Forty? Fifty? The infant mortality is/was fierce too. The society gave an appearance of health, because invalids were shortly dead. (As eskimos setting the elderly adrift on icefloats.)

      But there were many other differences in lifestyle than diet. Exercise mostly. Also, the relatively isolated communities had much lower incidence of viruses (but a lot more fleas, tapeworms and other parasites); when they came in contact with Western explorers most were devastated by flu, smallpox, etc -- they did not have superior resistance to disease, just less exposure.

    102. Re:Let's make a deal by rbook · · Score: 1

      Nice try with the beef, but he mostly ate canned tuna. His cholesterol is and always has been within normal limits, and that has little or nothing to do with CHF anyway.

      And I'm sorry, but humans have been eating carbohydrates since way before the 1890s. Most of Asia has been subsisting on rice for centuries. If Adkins were right, all the Asians would be overweight.

      It's really very simple -- Calories In minus Calories out = net change in weight.

      You need balance and variety, and that includes a certain amount of carbohydrates. If you don't get that, you'll build up ketones in your blood, which will wipe out your kidneys. (Hyperketonosis.)

    103. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It still comes down to "find something you like to do" that gets your heart pumping and muscles moving or you do exercise. You might try fencing. I know that it's helped me knock some weight off and tone some muscles in the last two years. (Ralph Faulkner, Nick Evangelista's coach did major damage to his knees in an accident in his early 20's. He took up fencing raither than do boring exercises. He became an Olympian & taught most of the "old school" ie, the 1930 - 1950's, movie actors how to at least look decent. He ALSO fenced & taught well into his 80's. Fencing seems to lend itself to a life-long pursuit. My club's president is 78. He plans to complete in the veterans Nationals in 2 years when he's 80!)

      The point is to try different activities. Give each one a good shot (one visit is not a good try! Think in terms of 6 months to a year.) A side benefit is that you WILL improve your body just my trying them.

      John Farmer (Fencer, Analyst, now coaching novice fencers)

    104. Re:Let's make a deal by slaker · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      My fiance woke up one morning and decided she was gay. She "married" another girl, eight months later. I have no social life, no friends, nor any interests that would lead to either (literally, I can go three or four days without speaking to anyone). I work 90 hours+ a week (not much else to do), and my jobs are generally located in excess of 25 miles of my home.

      I am severely allergic to grass, dust and about twenty different molds. Outside is not a pleasant place to be for me (I keep surgical masks by my front door, in my car etc, just in case).

      And no, I'm not kidding about any of this. It's all rather specific to my situation in life, but as I said before, there are probably thousands of folks in a place similar to mine.

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    105. Re:Let's make a deal by Dastardly · · Score: 1

      So what the hell do you do when there's absolutely nothing you like to do?

      That is a tough one. I found something I like to do. Having all exercise feel like punishment is a tough situation. I think there are two things to watch out for. The first and easiest (you may have done this) is to make sure you don't over do it when you start. I know that even doing something I like, it is frustrating when I am off for a long time, then restart and over do it. It feels like punishment because it is too painful. So, the first thing is not to overdo it to where it does feel like punishment.

      Assuming that is not the issue, the only thing you can do is keep looking. Do you like volleyball? There are sometimes groups that play a couple times a week. What about softball? Bowling? If you swim decent, but don't like the working out part see if there is a group that plays water polo. There is a Dad's team at the local high school here that plays twice a week. I know there are soccer teams in a lot of areas too. Golf is good too, find a public course with a good twilight rate and play 9 holes a couple hours before it gets dark. Get a pull cart and walk it. When I was in junior high I took judo which was fun. Aikido and tai chi are also pretty good. I don't prefer soft forms to hard forms like karate, taekwondo and kung-fu.

      I think the key is to avoid the punishment part. Which is hard because you have had too many exercise experiences that equate to punishment, and if you start something for the purpose of exercise you are already prejudiced against it. It sounds like the main problem is mental, and you will have to figure out a way to fool yourself into doing somethign for fun that happens to get you a little exercise.

      Dastardly

    106. Re:Let's make a deal by Raffaello · · Score: 1

      No, you forgot choice number 3, which is to burn excess protein for energy. This is an inherently inefficient process (for human metabolism anyway) and this is part of why one loses weight when eating a high protein, low carbohydrate diet - your body can't burn protein for energy as efficiently as it can use carbs, so the net result is that body fat, as well as lean body tissue (muscle) is burned to make up the energy deficit.

    107. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you have to forget about exercising your boby and start exercising your mind.

      Ask yourself, "Do I want to live like this?"

      If it's not you have to start by taking small steps towards how you what to live.

      It's not hard to make friends or find fun things to do around your allergies. You just have to believe in yourself and don't care what anyone else thinks.

      I went through a time where I would go a day without saying anything to anyone. I later realized that I didn't want to live like this.

      So I made little goals, like I had to say something to someone new everyday. It didn't have to be a conversation, just something as simple as an one-liner than walk away.

      It gave me confidence and made living more fun.

      People are friendly, and they have many exciting things they want to talk about and do, all you have to do is make the hard first step.

    108. Re:Let's make a deal by dhammabum · · Score: 1
      In addition, treadmill tests (of live tribesmen of course) resulted in these individuals having comparable or superior performance to Olympic champions.
      Yeah, those dead tribesmen really skewed the results when we put them on the treadmill.

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    109. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who knows with women? *ducks*

      Seriously though, to show you how little
      of women I knew before I got married, it only
      recently occurred to me that my wife likes to
      say things that she half-means or doesnt mean at
      all, just to gauge my response.

      So to answer your question, I am not sure,
      and no, I wouldn't. But I am feeling
      less andless guilty for looking at pr0n now :)

    110. Re:Let's make a deal by oOo+Shiva+oOo · · Score: 1

      As Raffaello pointed out there is a third choice, which is Protein, and it is generally not a good sign when your body has to resort to burning large amounts of protein for its energy. You see people at death camps with little or no musculature and such? That is the result of the body burning muscle and protein.

      And peeing like a "russian race horse" as you say is not the sign of a healthy individual at all. I'd venture a guess as to say its more healthy than never peeing at all... But if you pee too often you're washing your body of the electrolytes that it needs. Many athletes who have over ( or hypo ) hydrated have died during activity from a lack of electrolytes due to peeing them all out. It hits hard and it hits fast. If you're peeing neon yellow.. you've got problems and if you're peeing urine that could pass for water its so clear... thats not healthy. You want a light yellow tint to the urine and nothing more. THAT is the sign of proper hydration.

      Before you attack people like an ass blindly following the flag of Atkins army, do a little research of your own.

      A large part of the weight loss invovled with high protein diets is water weight and lean muscle mass... not fat. You lose water because your kidneys try to rid your body of the excess waste products of protein and fat, called ketones, that the body makes.

      Still happy that you're pissing like a race horse? Good.

      By the way, Atkins had a heart problem and was rushed to the hospital not too long ago. Go team go. Lead your team to an early grave... attaboy!

    111. Re:Let's make a deal by cody21XX · · Score: 1

      "So for those that exercise regularly, what keeps you from saying "aw, fuckit. I'll exercise tomorrow instead."? How do you keep motivated to do it? " Okay, here's how I figure it. I was in your same boat. Here's what keeps me going: The more I exercise, the more energy I have. I actually look forward to exercising! If you just keep at it, and get past the first couple weeks, you'll discover it's actually fun to exercise and gives you so much more energy! The less you do, the lazier you get. Don't fall into a rut! Oh yeah, I'm also a skinny little dude, but if you combine protein drinks with weights, you'll see the difference. I noticed a difference after only 2 weeks (I have pecs!)

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    112. Re:Let's make a deal by Kaotiq · · Score: 1
      A couple of things from my experience.

      I'm a software guy so I sit in front of one of these stupid machines most of my working day.

      When I was in my early 20s I was thin, could eat and drink all I wanted to and never got fat, sure I didn't have a car for a few years and walked everywhere but it wasn't a hell of a lot of exercise. In my late 20's I put on weight, sure I bought a car and didn't walk as much but my metabolism slowed down. Its a common problem, most guys I know gained weight in their late 20s/ early 30s.

      A few years ago I decided that I needed to get back in shape, I started by going for a walk each evening after work, walk for about an hour, not only is it exercise but it gives you time to think. I also started going for a walk 15-20 minutes at lunchtime.

      After about a year I started going to a gym, been doing that 3 or 4 times a week since then, it is like the walking, you can unwind from the day and think while you work out. I also walk to and from the gym.

      The other important thing I did was make sure I live about 10-15 minutes walk from the shops, that means I walk rather than taking the car and since you can only carry so much you have to do that most days.

      So if you make it easier to do some exercise than taking the car when doing little things thats a start, I also found that after I'd been exercising for a while I had more energy and wanted to excerise more.

      I'm now down to ~80kg from ~100kg, had to buy new (smaller) clothes but thats ok :-).

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    113. Re:Let's make a deal by stretch0611 · · Score: 1

      I live in Atlanta, GA. I would be a lot thinner if I biked to work; that would happen after the dozen cars ride over me. Biking in Atlanta is suicidal. People drive like idiots, and there are very few areas where the road is wide enough for a car and bike to ride parallel.

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    114. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look, if you're playing straight with us, it's not exercise that is the issue, but Depression. I know. Been there, got the T-shirt, still fighting with it. I also know that the longer you dive into work to avoid life, it will get worse. Since you don't have a Significant Other to help you, please, please take this advice; Go see a counselor, medical or spiritual, or other, whatever works for you.

      You might also find that exercise (or some physical activity) is part of the therapy...

      John Farmer

    115. Re:Let's make a deal by dsoltesz · · Score: 1
      You probably do not have huge "fangs," which are characteristics of meat eaters.

      That's cuz I carry my fangs on a stick. I have a wide variety of fangs - projectile fangs that move at high velocities (the fastest ones don't need a stick) and don't require my body to be put in immediate danger while in use, multiple fangs on a small stick and another serrated fang on another small stick that rip the flesh from bone whilst my molars are chewing the previous bit of flesh.

      Back to something more closely resembling the topic... the diet I've recently chosen to try (having never been on one in my life) is the Carbohydrate Addicts Diet. It's high protien, low carb, but allows one meal with high carb items every day. No ketosis, which feels like a recipe for disaster to me. My goal is to kick some bad habits in order to develop a healthier lifestyle, not kill myself losing 30 pounds so I can fit into my prom dress. On top of changing my eating habits, I spend time on the treadmill every night and try to go hiking, swimming, etc. whenever I can.

      I agree humans are omniverous and always have been - what else would explain why I love potato chips so damn much?

    116. Re:Let's make a deal by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      I live in a semi-industrial part of town and I already fear for my life in my car (lots of big trucks, narrow urban streets).

      I've found that old urban areas usually let you work out some intersting bike routes, as long as you're not is a screaming hurry. There are usually side streets with obstacles that keep motor vehicles away that are perfect for cycling (maybe you have to walk up a flight of steps to a connecting alley, for instance). Going the wrong way on one-way streets is quite safe on a bike (just look out for cops). If the pedestrian traffic is thin, ride on the sidewalks. Take some time on a weekend and reconnoitre. Just becasue the route you use in your car isn't pleasant doesn't mean there isn't a way. And if you must share with heavy traffic for a while, be aggressive. Don't let them force you off the road -- if there isn't room for passing, just stay in the middle of the lane and don't let them squeeze you -- (unless you're in an area with a high incidence of armed road rage/driveby shootings). But in an industrial zone, drivers are usually more professional -- they'll push you if they can, but won't risk their licenses by killing you.

    117. Re:Let's make a deal by znaps · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This guy (and any other who asks for advice on how to stay in shape) won't bike ride to work, because he's looking for an easy solution.

      There isn't one. Excercise (outside the office of course, you'll never get in shape running up and down the stairs once a day), or change your diet, or both. It's a simple choice - do it or don't do it. Not having time is not an excuse. Make time.

    118. Re:Let's make a deal by straybullets · · Score: 1

      walking is good but running is better.

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    119. Re:Let's make a deal by Afrosheen · · Score: 1

      I can already picture you in a Mu-mu, letting the little dipping bird hit the Y key over and over for you while you manipulate things far away with a broomstick.

      Simpsons humor. :)

    120. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmmm...fruit and grains, eh? Sounds like it's time for another Magic Hat No. 9...or maybe a Sam Adams Cherry Wheat...or even some raspberry vodka! Damn I love ... drinking ... healthy!

    121. Re:Let's make a deal by Silburn_Luke · · Score: 1

      The life expectancy was so low because the infant mortality was high. As a hunter-gatherer if you make it out of childhood you have a pretty good chance of making it into old age (50s plus).

      IMO the key fact behind Atkins, which the earlier poster was alluding to, is that humans evolved on a diet which was carbohydrate poor in comparison with agricultural societies and, barring occasional honey strikes, had no access to refined carbohydrates.

      Any criticism of a regime which replicates our low carb past has to explain how it was that humans managed to survive on such a dangerous diet throughout the bulk of our evolutionary history and this is a point that I haven't seen the anti-Atkins people address adequately.

      Regards
      Luke

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    122. Re:Let's make a deal by Hast · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, as an AC commented it seems you suffer not only from lack of fun training but from depression. And considering your situation it's understandable.

      The best way I've found to get out of depressions is to try radically different things. The more you are doing the same things as always the more time you have to consider your current situation, and that is really something you want to avoid. Not because there are no reasons to feel sorry for yourself, but because it's not really going to change anything.

      Now if you want to get into better shape it could be a good idea to combine the change with training. Look up stuff that you can do on your way from work. Try them out in periods of weeks or so before moving on to the next (if you don't find a thing you particularly like). Personally I really like martial arts, because you get both a typically well rounded training and you get to know a couple of people quite well (since with martial arts clubs you typically train with the same people each time). Different clubs can have very different moods, try to find one which is right for you. It's more important that you like the people you train with than that the actual system of MA if you want to train regularly.

      Now I know that it's often quite hard to get yourself to "get to training" each time. The most important bit here is to make sure you do it regularly, if you start skipping it's harder to go the next time.

      If training doesn't do it for you try to find something else which can catch your attention. You might want to look up on chess clubs, help out with some "community service" (eg I have a friend who helps children at a local school with homework), take a photo course take evening classes in ancient history or a new language. You could try visiting a library in the area, I bet you can find out about more things going on in your area there.

      To get out of your local area you could plan a trip in the country (to go to a place you've thought of or visit a friend/your parents/relatives but make sure the trip is part of the goal) or go on a trip abroad.

      Changing yourself and change in general is really, really hard work though. And in all honesty I try to avoid it as much as possible. But in all the situation where I have forced myself to do things I wanted to avoid good things have come out of it. In some cases what you force yourself to do isn't the best thing you get out of it. The change of enviroment or the fact that you did it might be sufficient for fueling a new change.

      And as someone else pointed out, if you are in a really bad place then try to get help from a counselor. Just getting to talk to someone else who will try to help you out could be a big change in your situation. And I assume that the advice for looking excercises goes here too, you might not hit off with your counselor and you may need to try a few. I don't have any personal experience with that (yet) so I can't give any real advice unfortunately.

      I bet you have considered a lot of this before, and I may not be saying anthing new at all. The most obvious and important thing to realize (as I see it) is that nothing is likely to change on it's own. If you are not satisfied with your situation it needs to be changed. And the only one who will do that is you. Trying to do the same things you have always done and "just get by" won't change things. If nothing else try to think of something you can do which will make the people who know you say "I would never think he'd do something like that" and do it.

    123. Re:Let's make a deal by darkkewulf · · Score: 1

      I bought a 75 lb. heavy bag, and I spend 30 minutes a day wailing on it whilst simultaneously imagining it as various managers, co-workers, and faceless RIAA lawyers. Very satisfying.

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    124. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought I'd clarify this advice for those of us (like me) who find complex analogies like these tricky.
      Source code for LaTeX follows.

      \documentclass{article}
      \begin{document}
      Defin e the variable $x_i$ as the number of times you have sex during the $i$th year of your marriage. Then the postulate is that
      \begin{displaymath}
      x_1 > \sum_{i=2}^{\infty}x_i.
      \end{displaymath}
      Notice that the inequality is strict.
      \end{document}

    125. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats 3 doctors that dont know what the fuck they are talking about

    126. Re:Let's make a deal by rmadmin · · Score: 1

      It was the obligatory "Forget about sex once your married" joke. I get pleanty since we are working on a kid >=). After that I'm my sex life will go dormant. :-d

    127. Re:Let's make a deal by Kintanon · · Score: 1

      Ketosis is BAD. It leads to lethargy, kidney failure, muscle loss, and lowered brain functions.
      Living in Ketosis for a couple of weeks at a time is ok, but for any longer and you risk damageing your kidneys.
      If you're a weightlifter you should be paying more attention to what's going on with things in the professional weightlifting scene. I know a lot of weightlifters, they all eat a TON of protein, they also eat a lot of Carbs. It's a necessary part of building muscle mass.
      And If you want me to show you why Ketosis is bad grab 80% of your bodyweight on the bench and start pumping, I can do 80% of my body weight (Of course that's only about 90lbs since I weigh 127lbs) indefinately. Hell, I can do 140lbs 20 reps. And I'm not a weightlifter. I can do 900 jumping jacks without stopping, 100 situps in under 2 minutes.
      My diet is about half the FDA recommended protein amount and everything else is pasta and grains.
      If you stay on a Ketosis diet for very long you will have problems.

      Kintanon

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    128. Re:Let's make a deal by stm2 · · Score: 1

      felines needs to eat only meat because they leack an aminoacid found only in meat. Their bodies can't make a carboxilic acid (citrate) needed for Krebs cicle.

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    129. Re:Let's make a deal by Mmm+coffee · · Score: 1
      http://www.xanga.com/private/home.aspx?user=Ignore _This_Blog

      From my exercise journal, thanks for giving me the inspiration to write something I've been meaning to write.

    130. Re:Let's make a deal by SubtleNuance · · Score: 1

      ... make car owners, road users (especially the transport industry) pay for EVERY bit of expense. roads, highways, parking lots, curbs -- EVERYTHING.

      When your auto comes withe appropriate price tag/monthly service charge (say, $4-5K P.A.) people will start to re-think how they live.

      Im not saying "tax them out of existance", im saying make them pay there own bloody way. One Green Party axiom comes to mind; "Tax Bads not Goods". That tax policy is a way to influence our communities... and if that policy is 100,000k tax credits on 6,000lb SUVs you yanks are going to end up with a warped reality, one that *encourages* irresponsibility.

      Sure, rich campaign donors (auto co's and oil co's) love the current regulatory regime, but people with sense understand that the current unsustainable communities/transportation modes is crazy, destructive and expensive. Why continue?

    131. Re:Let's make a deal by SubtleNuance · · Score: 1

      well, honestly, why couldnt your kids run around in a park? the reality is that cities are safe -- but major-network news breeds fear (really).

      Well, wanting to 'stretch' out is reasonable enough i guess, but your 'stretching out' is *expensive* to the community (see ills of sprawl @ link above) -- if you were *really* paying for your house in the suburb, you would find it a more reasonable $$ decision to live in the city.

      You've found home in the suburbs a better financial situation because of a warped system..

    132. Re:Let's make a deal by LHorstman · · Score: 1

      I live an hour away from my workplace (53 Miles), my townhouse cost $103K. New townhouses recently went up next to my workplace, they started at "Low 500's". Apperently they are now up around $600k. To get an older townhouse in this area I would still be looking at around $400k.

    133. Re:Let's make a deal by SubtleNuance · · Score: 1

      no kids. married. wife works a good drive away.

      if we had DENSE urban spaces, you *would* be closer to work -- get it?

      Work would be closer to everyone. your *new* job would *ALSO* not be 200kms away -- get it?

      as far as feeling superior, give me a break, this is not a holier-than-thou problem, its real... pollution is real. habitat loss is real. agricultural land-loss is real. spiraling-tax rates are real... all WORSENED by spreading out all over hell's-half-acre.

      Your arguments are straw men, actually if you re-read your post, you see that you are lamenting exactly the same problems I am. You just dont see that the SUBURBIA causes the problem.

    134. Re:Let's make a deal by slaker · · Score: 1

      I've seen over a dozen therapist/psychiatrists/clinical social workers in the last three years. In general, these people are ill-equipped to handle someone like me, and even worse, after the fourth or fifth time you've run down the same path, you're able to predict (and diffuse, if you like) what the mental health worker is going to say.

      I am depressed. I have to take four little light blue pills every day because of it. I don't think they do anything either.

      I feel I've made every accomodation I can to be functional. I haven't found relief anywhere, and short of commitment to an institution there isn't much else I can do for myself; that's neither here nor there.

      Anyway... I know that for health reasons I should, but like lots of other people, I don't. My original point in this sub-thread was that "doing what you like" is something of a pat answer, and in my experience it doesn't work for everyone.

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    135. Re:Let's make a deal by fendel · · Score: 1

      the Atkins diet has only been in widespread practice a short while and doesn't lend itself to clinical trials well...

      (1) Variations on a low-carb diet, including Atkins, have been in use for decades. It has increased in popularity recently, in part because a couple decades of the low-fat scam have resulted in skyrocketing rates of obesity and diabetes. People are finally realizing that living on grains, like cows being fattened for slaughter, is not the answer.

      (2) Recent clinical trials have vindicated Atkins. Do the research.

    136. Re:Let's make a deal by fendel · · Score: 1

      The numbers don't lie for a proper implementation of the Atkins Diet: higher HDL, lower LDL, reduction of risk/elimination of Diabetes (type II), reduced volatility in blood sugar levels, etc...

      Absolutely right. I've seen this in the experience of a friend of mine; I've seen the results in my own lipids profile. (After a couple years practically swimming in butter and cream: total cholesterol 177, HDL 65, triglycerides 99. Beat that, Atkins-bashers.) My friend is diabetic, and she barely needs insulin anymore. Her kidney function has improved, her cholesterol is improved; her doctors tell her to keep up the good work.

      And actually, eggs and nuts and prime rib are perfectly fine. Dietary cholesterol != serum cholesterol.

    137. Re:Let's make a deal by fendel · · Score: 1

      It is true that HDL levels increase and LDL levels decrease, but the foods themselves are very high in cholesterol and saturated fats, which are now established as the major reasons for heart attacks and strokes.
      Whoa, cowboy. Last I heard, the "conventional wisdom" has been that eating cholesterol and saturated fats raise your LDL, and that causes heart attacks and strokes. Now that studies are debunking that idea--and showing that dietary cholesterol does not equate to serum cholesterol--you're trying to skip straight from sat fats to strokes?

      The Atkins diet increases HDL, which protects against heart disease. My HDL's 65, what's yours?

      The biggest problem I see with high protein diets, however, is the resulting loss of calcium to your bones which may lead to osteoperosis.
      Myth.

      Many high protien diets, including Atkins prohibit foods which are known to lower the risks associated with heart disease and cancers.
      Read Atkins' book. Atkins dieters eat plenty of fiber, vegetables, and some fruits (I'm a raspberry fan myself). The donuts, white-flour bagels, and sugar bombs that are "prohibited" are not exactly health food, y'know.

      It is true that for a sedentary person high protein diets will cause you to lose weight. Unfortunately when you go off the diet the weight comes back very rapidly.
      You're not supposed to go off the diet and start eating a bunch of sugar and flour again. You're supposed to add in moderate quantities of high-quality carbohydrate to find a maintenance level that you can sustain indefinitely. If you just drop Atkins and start in on the Cap'n Crunch, of course the weight comes back.

    138. Re:Let's make a deal by fendel · · Score: 1

      Atkins' heart problem was an infection, not diet-related. Come on, the guy's a cardiologist--you think he's going to spend his life following his diet plan if it's bad for his heart??

    139. Re:Let's make a deal by smatthew · · Score: 1

      have you tried riding perpendicular?

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    140. Re:Let's make a deal by esobofh · · Score: 1

      Naaa.. I have scripts to do that - because i am so smart - S M R T i mean S M A T i mean S M R A T i mean.. DOH

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    141. Re:Let's make a deal by msoftsucks · · Score: 1

      Tuna is full of mercury. Eating alot of fish will kill your kidneys. Your father should be checked for mercury toxicity.

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    142. Re:Let's make a deal by Sodium+Attack · · Score: 1

      Well, as an AC commented it seems you suffer not only from lack of fun training but from depression.

      Don't be so sure. Like slaker, I've tried many types of exercise and haven't found any that I like--in that regard, I'm in much the same boat.

      I have also suffered from clinical depression in the past. I know what depression feels like. And I am quite certain that I am not currently depressed.

      So don't assume that just because slaker and I can't find any exercise we like, that we're depressed.

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    143. Re:Let's make a deal by rbook · · Score: 1

      Trust 3 doctors at a top-5 medical center, or some Anonymous Coward on slashdot?

      Well, it's a free country, so do whatever you want.

    144. Re:Let's make a deal by ePhil_One · · Score: 1
      Well, I've never been "Skinny" either. When you're overweight and out of shape, its not likely that ANYTHING you do is going to be fun at first. There's a lot of technical/biological reasons for this, but I'll skip that part. The key is to do it anyway, and find a way to distract yourself from what you are doing, otherwise you'll focus on the discomfort, making it worse. Having a friend there, even if they just stand there and encourage you, works well, you can concentrate on the conversation. Or watch your favorite show.

      The key is to make yourself start. Set a goal of only five minutes the first time. Remember, this is likely as bad as it will get.

      Then take only 1 day off. Your body will recover and brace itself for another "attack" of exercise, making the next time easier. But if you wait too long, this extra support fades away, and the next time is just as hard. As you near that five minute mark, see if you can push out another two. Work your way up to 15 minutes; this is really the magic number you are looking for.

      Why? Well, around 12 minutes or so you body will transition from anaerobic to aerobic conditioning. The brain will have also started compensation for the stress by dumping pain relieving hormones in your bloodstream, which has the beneficial side effect of being a bit addictive. You keep up the exercise for a few weeks (three should be enough) and you'll start to crave that dose when you can't exercise. Trust me. Plus, increasing the time once you've hit the fifteen minute mark is relatively easy.

      Once you've been doing this for a while you may start wanting to change what you eat, or maybe pick up some weights. Once you've done the first few, its ok to go two days between sessions. But three is pushing it, a full week and you'll be clear of the addiction and you'll have motivation problems again.

      I also find it helps if you can mix up the machines. Exerbike, then recumbent bike, then stairmaster, then Ski machine, then eliptical walker... But this is because I tend to use machines

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    145. Re:Let's make a deal by oOo+Shiva+oOo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whoa, cowboy. Last I heard, the "conventional wisdom" has been that eating cholesterol and saturated fats raise your LDL, and that causes heart attacks and strokes. Now that studies are debunking that idea--and showing that dietary cholesterol does not equate to serum cholesterol--you're trying to skip straight from sat fats to strokes?

      Plant-based proteins, like those found in soy, lowers LDL cholesterol and raises HDL (good) cholesterol. This prevents the buildup of arterial plaque which leads to hardening of the arteries and heart disease, thus reducing the risk of heart attack and stroke. The amount and type of protein in your diet also has an important impact on calcium absorption and excretion. Vegetable-protein diets enhance calcium retention in the body. This reduces the risk of osteoporosis and kidney problems. Interestingly, kidney disease is far less common in people who eat a vegetable-based diet than it is in people who eat an animal-based diet. By replacing animal protein with vegetable protein and replacing saturated fat with unsaturated fat, like that found in olive and canola oils, you can avoid the pitfalls of the typical high-protein diet.

      However, this type of protein and fat combination is not the healthiest. Animal proteins are loaded with cholesterol and saturated fat. Many people on these diets also experience an elevation in their LDL (bad) cholesterol when they remain on the diet for long periods. High levels of LDL cholesterol in the blood clog arteries and is the chief culprit in heart disease, particularly heart attack and stroke. So while you may lose weight in the short run, you are putting your cardiovascular health in jeopardy in the long run.

      Another reason weight loss is achieved on these high-protein diets, at least temporarily, is actually due to water loss. The increase in the amount of protein consumed, especially from meat and dairy products, raises the levels of uric acid and urea in the blood. These are toxic by-products of protein breakdown and metabolism. The body eliminates this uric acid and urea by pumping lots of water into the kidneys and urinary tract to help it flush out. However, a detrimental side effect of this diuretic response is the loss of essential minerals from the body, including calcium. The high intake of protein leaches calcium from the bones, which leads to osteoporosis.

      The Atkins diet increases HDL, which protects against heart disease. My HDL's 65, what's yours?

      Couldn't tell you. Never taken a test, myself. I can tell you my body fat has been cosisntantly 7-8% for the last 6 months though :) I'm a very active individual and I hit up the gym between 2-6 hours a day depending on the day and my schedule with only 2 days off a week. Its likely my HDL level is very comfortable :) Thanks for the concern, though :)

      Read Atkins' book. Atkins dieters eat plenty of fiber, vegetables, and some fruits (I'm a raspberry fan myself). The donuts, white-flour bagels, and sugar bombs that are "prohibited" are not exactly health food, y'know

      How about healthy cereals? Like Fiber One, 100% Bran, All-Bran, Raisin Bran etc? How about Rices, Wheat bread? I'm not super familiar with the vegetables and legumes allowed but i'm not sure if lentils and peas and lima, kidney, and baked beans would be allowed, or even refried beans. Broccoli ( which has thousands of health benefits along with spinach ) carrots, corn, lettuce... all that stuff... Over 65 million americans each year have digestive problems due to lack of proper fiber intake. I'm not saying its impossible to get proper fiber intake through the Atkins diet... just unlikely.

      You're not supposed to go off the diet and start eating a bunch of sugar and flour again. You're supposed to add in moderate quantities of high-quality carbohydrate to find a maintenance level that you can sustain indefinitely. If you just drop Atkins and start in on the Cap'n Crunch, of course t

    146. Re:Let's make a deal by oOo+Shiva+oOo · · Score: 1

      okay this is crap, i know i hit the preview button but somehow it submitted anyways and now i see that i forgot to close my italics *sigh*

    147. Re:Let's make a deal by sacrilicious · · Score: 1
      When I moved to San Francisco back in 1995, I was a little overweight.. next step was finding an activity that I really liked. I love to ski, but I don't get to do it often. But rollerblading is very similar in feel and fun aspect.

      And believe me, you can really catch some air skating down Lombard and various other downhill streets in the Marina district.

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    148. Re:Let's make a deal by SpaceJunkie · · Score: 1

      Now thats the most sensible job all day. a handful of geeks discuss commuting - when telecommuting is the answer. That means you could ride your bike around a local park for exercise in the morning, avoiding the traffic, and get to work in reasonable time.
      Being a full-time game developer - I sometimes find the fact that I have to work in an office away from home a pointless excercise. The occasional meeting is worth going for though...

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    149. Re:Let's make a deal by op00to · · Score: 1

      How can biking take the same amount of time as driving in any place besides the most congested of areas? Ok, if you live in London or NYC, then it might be faster for YOU, but I doubt that most people's commute would be faster going half the speed or slower.

    150. Re:Let's make a deal by egarland · · Score: 1

      Many high protien diets, including Atkins prohibit foods which are known to lower the risks associated with heart disease and cancers.

      This is not true. Listen to the Cheerios ad. The foods are linked to lower overall colesterol levels which are thought to be a major factor in heart disease. Of course we all know that lower overall colersterall is meaningless as compared to the good/bad ratio and trigliceride count. What they don't say is that Cheerios is horible for the good/bad ratio and nasty for the trigliceride count. Modern science sais Cheerios gives you a heart attack. They don't put that in the adds though since it's unlikely that would help sales.

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    151. Re:Let's make a deal by oOo+Shiva+oOo · · Score: 1

      Good thing I can't stand cheerios, bleh :) Thanks for the info though, i wasnt aware.

    152. Re:Let's make a deal by skip_linfu · · Score: 1
      > To me, all exercise seems like punishment. I've > never found a way to shake that attitude.

      Don't find an 'exercise' that you like then. Search for a sport or something FUN!

      I don't like jogging, though it's great exercise, but I love to play ultimate frisbee and volleyball. While not strenuous exercise, they allow me to get out and move. I've dropped about 10 pounds and am holding steady as long as I play :) on a regular basis.

      Walking may work, or badminton or competition programming (attach penalties for the loser like pushups or situps or a walk around the building). In my experience, to start losing weight it only takes a moderate amount of movement and consistency.

      Just my $0.02

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    153. Re:Let's make a deal by Dastardly · · Score: 1

      So don't assume that just because slaker and I can't find any exercise we like, that we're depressed.

      I was thinking, it probably has to do with negative reinforcement. If you start with too much, the activity is painful, which of course makes you have negative feelings about the activity and exercise in general. It is especially bad if you have not gone through it before. It is also especially bad if you have been overweight and sedentary for a long time. Giving your body a kick in the ass is not pleasant.

      So, as another poster said, you have to start slow and easy, and gradually add more to the exercise. , and back off when you add too much too quick. By doing that you can avoid the pain that makes really difficult to start an activity and stick with it. Unless you intend to compete in somethign wokring out should feel good. Even, when training for competition it shouldn't hurt so much that it overcomes the seratonin high.

      Dastardly

    154. Re:Let's make a deal by nullard · · Score: 1

      I'm studying rapier for stage combat. It's a real workout and it looks really cool. Your arms and your quads will really feel it, but you'll do it to learn something cool. If that's not enough, try learning broadsword. It requires much more strength than rapier.

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    155. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Humans have lived on a meat only diet for 2.4 million years, but have only begun low-fat/high-carb diets, what, about 40-50 years or so. Diabetes is up, obesity is up...where does it end

      that's a load of bullshit if I've ever seen one. the most primitive societies are still hunter/gather types which includes the intake of fruits, vegetables, and grains. the academically recognized 'cradles of civization' all had something in common: fertile land for growing crops. Other societies have existed just fine on plant based diets for centuries. Even the Irish were able to subsist for generations on potatoes and milk, which is why they were so impacted by the blight.

      the problem is that many of the foods today contain highly processed carbs and sugars that didn't exist until the last 100-200 years or so. when coupled with the amount of food ingested due to the abundance of it and the lack of exercise is the reason for obesity being up. any diet isn't going to be healthy if you are eating too much and not doing any exercise. a low-fat/high-carb diet is a healthy one provided that you're not overeating and consuming just sugar.

    156. Re:Let's make a deal by fendel · · Score: 1

      Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to pick a fight either--my apologies for sounding a little snotty. I may disagree with you, but clearly you've thought through your point of view, and I respect that.

      Many people on these diets also experience an elevation in their LDL (bad) cholesterol when they remain on the diet for long periods. High levels of LDL cholesterol in the blood clog arteries and is the chief culprit in heart disease, particularly heart attack and stroke.
      Everything I've read, and seen personally, indicates that LDL tends to drop on this diet--and in the individuals whose LDL does rise somewhat, their HDL goes up with it, and HDL is extremely protective against heart disease. The overall ratio of total-cholesterol-to-HDL improves, and that is significant.

      Another reason weight loss is achieved on these high-protein diets, at least temporarily, is actually due to water loss.
      I know my friend hasn't lost 40 pounds of water on the diet.

      How about healthy cereals? Like Fiber One, 100% Bran, All-Bran, Raisin Bran etc? How about Rices, Wheat bread? I'm not super familiar with the vegetables and legumes allowed but i'm not sure if lentils and peas and lima, kidney, and baked beans would be allowed, or even refried beans. Broccoli ( which has thousands of health benefits along with spinach ) carrots, corn, lettuce... all that stuff...
      I believe some people in the maintenance phase eat fiber cereals--everybody gets to choose how they want to "spend" their carb allotment. I saw some "Hi-Lo" (protein/carb) cereal in the store that I'll probably try when I'm closer to my goal weight-- along with lentils and dried legumes (not commercial baked beans, they're full of sugar).

      Broccoli I eat all the time, along with spinach and various kinds of lettuce. Salads almost every day. Tonight, zucchini and bell pepper. Carrots occasionally. Corn, however, is mostly starch--if you read the nutrition label of a package of corn, there's not much there. I eat an ear of fresh corn once in a while as a treat, but I know I'm not getting a whole lot of nutritional benefit from it. (Yummy tho.)

      My fiber intake has increased since I gave up refined flours and started eating more veggies. When you can't eat a lot of potatoes and bread, what do you eat with your chicken/fish/meat? More salad and vegetables.

      quickest way to get a dietition to cringe is mutter the name "Atkins"...
      Yeah, no surprise there. Many (not all) dietitians still cling to the low-fat thing.

    157. Re:Let's make a deal by fendel · · Score: 1

      I have to take four little light blue pills every day because of it. I don't think they do anything either.

      Sounds like what I take. (Two 100mg Wellbutrin SR twice a day.)

      If your meds don't work, go back to your doctor. There are a lot of other medications they can try instead. Plenty of people with depression don't respond to the first drug they're on (my first was Paxil, and it did nothing but make me MORE lethargic). If your current meds are the second one you've tried, then see a genuine psychiatrist--not a family doctor--if you haven't already. They have better luck treating refractory depression.

      The insidious thing about depression is that it's a disorder that actually discourages its sufferers from getting help. Too many of us settle for partial remission or worse. Don't give up.

      Good luck,
      fendel

    158. Re:Let's make a deal by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      hey! you're a reasonably cute girl! What the hell are yu doing posting to slashdot?!?!?!?!

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    159. Re:Let's make a deal by oOo+Shiva+oOo · · Score: 1

      If you don't mind me asking what your starting and goal weights were/are? I'm kind of curious although its really none of my business, i'll respect your wishes not to disclose the information if you choose.

      I know my friend hasn't lost 40 pounds of water on the diet.

      True, but Atkins does prescribe regular exercise as part of the diet and I'm guessing that people on the diet watch how much they take in. Exercise and limited calories will make anyone lose weight, the water weight is the most immediate and most easily recognizable, however. For example when I cycle creatine my weight jumps 10 to 15 lbs over the course of about a week or two from water weight alone.

      You're certainly informed on the issue and although I don't agree with some/most of the diet, it does have some high points and will cause you to lose some weight if thats your overall goal. Atkins has, at least, improved the diet over the years to make up for its early short comings and it is possible to stay in decent health with the diet if you are wise enough to make sure you're getting proper fiber and varieties of food groups. I always say to eat a colorful plate. Good luck with the diet and I hope you don't suffer any damage to your bones or kidneys :)

    160. Re:Let's make a deal by lightistoobright · · Score: 1

      "Reasonably" cute, eh? Is that supposed to be some sort of compliment?

      How about I just go on about my business, breaking down the stereotype that pretty girls aren't allowed to like computers. And you can go on about your business, reinforcing the stereotype that slashdotters have no social skills and can't spell.

      We may end up cancelling each other out, but good luck you just the same. :)

      Cheers!

    161. Re:Let's make a deal by fendel · · Score: 1

      Starting weight was 224, goal weight is between 160 and 170. At 210 right now, after 5 weeks back on the diet.

      I had gotten down to about 188 a couple of years ago on the diet, but I backslid big time and regained the weight. Talk about embarrassing--if someone brought donuts to work, I'd be the first one lining up to grab one, and then I'd be skulking back to the donut box a couple more times during the day.

      I remember a day when I was driving home from the supermarket, brooding over how lousy sugar was making me feel--after the initial sugar high I'd wind up in a stupor, irritable and tired, which is exactly where I was at that moment. But then this happy, warm sense of relief suddenly hit me as I realized, I have donuts in the trunk! Addictive behavior, pure and simple.

      This is actually my third go-'round on the diet, and this time I'm determined not to fall off the wagon and go on another donut bender. 224 was the most I had ever weighed, and I got truly fed up. The erratic blood sugar was as much a motivator this time as the weight--I'm on meds for depression, and keeping my moods on an even keel was impossible when I'd be cycling through high and low levels of blood sugar.

      On the diet, the cravings pretty much recede. Blood sugar remains stable. I have more energy.

      Time to go make some eggs'n'veggies for breakfast. :)

    162. Re:Let's make a deal by oOo+Shiva+oOo · · Score: 1

      Congratulations, I wish you well.

      My goal weight is actually 180-200, but im one of those sick screwheads trying to put on muscle for weight. I was up to about 170 but once I cut fast food, beer, and soda from my deit I dropped to 149. After high school I quit working out for a while and my weight dropped like mad and my body fat percentage went way up. Even though I'm not happy that i'm losing overall weight while i'm trying to gain, I am happy that I'm cutting the fat. At 170 I didn't have the six pack and my arms, back, shoulders, neck, legs etc werent as shapely.

      The weight may not sound like much but I'm only 5'6 so even at around 150 I'm told I look huge on my frame :)

      Once again, congrats and keep it up :)

    163. Re:Let's make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      My wife suffered from clinical depression off and on for a number of years. She's had to switch meds several times. Yet, when I was "bitten by the black dog" (Churchhill), I didn't recongize it nor did she for a long time.


      You didn't mention what the underlying issues are (and it's none of my business, esp. on an open forum), but I will suggest one thing (it was true in my case), if the current meds and different therapist haven't helped, then you might not be seeing/knowing the root cause. (That's my $0.05us "Peanuts" psychiatrist thought...)


      Now as to the point of this sub-thread, I can tell you this, sometimes just doing something for several months can trigger/help move you upwards. I didn't set out to get heavily into fencing, but my son found my mask & foil from 25 years ago (short try in college) and kept after me to teach him. The first 6 months was painful, I didn't aways want to go, my knees hurt (old injury) then I developed tendonitis in my elbow. Then one day, I realised that I was fencing twice a week and found myself helping lead some beginners. And liking it. And with diet (mostly eating heathlier) I dropped 25 pounds.


      So try something that will get you moving, out of the working all the time rut, and will not kick up the allergies. Yes it will take time, but it sounds like you're not doing anything but working, sleeping, and eating. I can promise you that not matter how many hours/week you work, the "big bosses" won't factor that in if it hits the fan and jobs have to be cut...

      John Farmer

    164. Re:Let's make a deal by fendel · · Score: 1

      Wow, hard for me to imagine trying to gain weight. I've been struggling to lose weight on-and-off since I was a kid.

      May be a gender thing. Most women are solely concerned with weighing less, not gaining muscle; behind the androgynous nick I'm female. (*sigh* - wonder if I'll start getting fat-chick jokes if any spectators are still lurking around this thread... But I'm very big-boned, and everyone I've told my weight to has done a serious double-take; they can't believe I weigh as much as I say.)

      I'm 5'7"... my goal weight is still above what "the charts" say I should weigh, but last time I weighed 165, I looked slim. Not delicate by any means; I come from sturdy peasant stock. Dunno if I'll get that far. Back then, it took strenuous near-daily exercise to maintain that weight, and these days I'm a couch potato. I'm getting fleeting impulses to get up and move around now that I've dropped some weight, so maybe I'll get more active as I continue to get lighter. I already notice it's easier to do everything when I'm not lugging an extra fourteen pounds everywhere I go...

      Thanks for the kind wishes. Best wishes to you too.

    165. Re:Let's make a deal by schlyne · · Score: 1

      I have a few other suggestions you could try.

      One of the guys I know recently bought one of the large trampoleans. I doubt it's the way you really want to go, but it's another way of having fun when you exercise. My roommate has decided that she's going to just go jump on my friend's trampolean for some exercise (she's got other things she does as well). It's fun and you will end up working on your legs.

      I don't know how many people really know this, but pilates is also a good workout. Pilates (for those that don't know) is something like a combination of ballet and yoga. It's very low impact, and it's like muscle toning. It's like doing stretches. Just be careful not to over do it, since it's such a low impact. (I've accidently overdone once, my abs were killing me for a couple of days.)

      There are also things out there like Kempo. Kempo is basically learning swordfighting. It's a Korean Martial Art. You could even take up fencing if you really wanted to. You can also try to search for something along those lines.

      Even if you do nothing more than stretch for 20 mins, you'll improve flexibility and you might even start to feel better, and think that you're improving yourself.

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    166. Re:Let's make a deal by McPierce · · Score: 1

      Send picture of girlfriend and bike. Which do you ride to work?

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    167. Re:Let's make a deal by Hast · · Score: 1

      It was not my intention to say that if you don't like training you are depresseed. But if you read the post I was replying to he was giving a lot of reasons why he wasn't satisfied with his current situation. Not that many had to do with "exercise is boring".

  2. Secret to losing weight... by PantyChewer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Eat less, Shit more

    1. Re:Secret to losing weight... by dr_dank · · Score: 1

      Eat less, Shit more

      It worked for Karen Carpenter.

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    2. Re:Secret to losing weight... by gosand · · Score: 5, Funny
      Eat less, Shit more

      Simply removing a comma and a word gives more advice too...

      Eat less shit

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    3. Re:Secret to losing weight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      It's easy, just start walking up the stairs every day instead of taking the elevator. It makes a difference.

    4. Re:Secret to losing weight... by pizen · · Score: 3, Funny

      Eat less, Shit more

      It worked for Karen Carpenter.


      If only Mama Cass had shared her ham sandwich they'd both be alive.

    5. Re:Secret to losing weight... by Fazer · · Score: 1

      Oh, I thought it was Eat shit more

    6. Re:Secret to losing weight... by didjit · · Score: 1

      Ahh, so its a mass balance based solution.

    7. Re:Secret to losing weight... by lo_fye · · Score: 1

      "Eat Less Shit More" works too, as in eating less shit more often.

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    8. Re:Secret to losing weight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Mama woulda eaten Karen alive, and still finished off the sandwich afterward.

    9. Re:Secret to losing weight... by Gherald · · Score: 1

      Yes but its not the most gramatically correct way of saying that, and here on /. we're all about grammar.

    10. Re:Secret to losing weight... by lo_fye · · Score: 1

      If I had it my way, I would have said:
      "Yes but that's not the most gramatically correct way of saying it, and here on /. we're all about grammar."
      ;)

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    11. Re:Secret to losing weight... by Daimaou · · Score: 1

      Oh, I thought the secret was an intense marathon of desktop Kegel exercises. Your advice sounds easier.

    12. Re:Secret to losing weight... by ALoverOfPeace · · Score: 1

      And I thought you were going to say:

      Eat shit more.

      Because I know an all shit diet would definately deter me from eating.

    13. Re:Secret to losing weight... by vladkrupin · · Score: 1

      Eat less shit
      Funny? What kind of moderator moded this funny? The guy was serious!

      Nuking beer and pop out of your diet will be the first step in the right direction.

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    14. Re:Secret to losing weight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for a bunch of alpha geeks, many of you are just plain stupid ;-)

      there is no such thing as a good diet. diets are temporary fixes. you have to make a lifestyle change. it's called nutrition and exercise. even simpler: burn more calories than you consume..

      you can still have your soda, chips, pastries, etc.. but all in moderation along w/ exercise. anything in excess will make you fat. even if you eat too much protein, it will become fat.

      common sense everyone..."you can do it man"

    15. Re:Secret to losing weight... by zonker · · Score: 0

      i suppose you prefer to think different, huh?

    16. Re:Secret to losing weight... by Mentally_Overclocked · · Score: 1

      Eat less, Shit more
      Simply removing a comma and a word gives more advice too...
      Eat less shit


      Eat Less More (as in often) has also been said to help.

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  3. Eh? by MisterFancypants · · Score: 3, Funny
    Your also started to get a little belly and out of shape

    I have? I haven't noticed. Do these pants make my ass look big?

    1. Re:Eh? by anonicon · · Score: 1

      Please mod parent up. In-f*cking-credibly funny.

    2. Re:Eh? by The+Turd+Report · · Score: 5, Funny
      Do these pants make my ass look big?

      No, the fat in your ass makes it look big. ;) (C'mon, hasn't every guy wanted to say that to his GF when she asks that question?)

    3. Re:Eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the pants that make your ass look big... it's your ass.

    4. Re:Eh? by Urox · · Score: 1

      Actually, I know a rail thin guy that whenever he wore a certain sports coat, his butt doubled in size appearance and looked fat.

      Face it, some clothes make people look fatter or thinner or taller or shorter.. It's just like optical illusions with the lines that the eye is drawn toward.

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    5. Re:Eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And while we're asking...does this shirt make my penis look fat?

    6. Re:Eh? by cavemanf16 · · Score: 1

      I would think that a "report" from you today on this topic would be appropriate for once.

    7. Re:Eh? by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 1

      Actually, I know a rail thin guy that whenever he wore a certain sports coat, his butt doubled in size appearance and looked fat.

      EXACTLY!! And they wonder why I keep flaunting the company dress code with my tight leather pants...

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    8. Re:Eh? by PeteDotNu · · Score: 1

      She wouldn't be your girlfriend for long. Telling your girlfriend that she looks fat for a laugh is like trying to get out of a speeding ticket using only the power of sarcasm.

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  4. Get up and walk. by doppleganger871 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Simple. Get up and walk around. Contrary to all the paid ads on tv... just burning calories will take weight off. You don't have to target yer stomach if you wanna lose a gut. Targeting exersize is for building/toning muscle groups.

    1. Re:Get up and walk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I found this book to be quite helpful. The regemin described actually has a salutory psycholocial effect too. Don't believe any of the rumors about this being some sort of Falun-Gong cult. And my boyfriend says my sphincter has never been tighter!

    2. Re:Get up and walk. by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "Contrary to all the paid ads on tv... just burning calories will take weight off. "

      And lay off the carbohydrates too. This might start a flame war (Atkins diet arguments and such.) You should lay of the bread, chips, orange juice, and other things that have a lot of carbs. This stuff gets absorbed by your body and makes you fat. Actual fat is more or less just passing through and makes it into the toilet with your centrum multivitamin.

      Cutting back on the carbohydrates and stepping up on the exercise is really what makes the difference.

      Now, would anyone with a better understanding of dietary values care to correct me?

    3. Re:Get up and walk. by TopShelf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I worked with a technical manager who did just that - for lunch, he'd walk about a mile to Subway, do the Jared thing, then walk back. Over the course of a year, he probably dropped 100 pounds. It was amazing to see.

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    4. Re:Get up and walk. by saden1 · · Score: 1

      Power lunch baby. Just walk to the stores near your work area and if there aren't any just walk around the building with a co-worker and talk about interesting stuff. Together, you just might come up with the next killer app (doubt it but you never know).

      Or you could Join a gym like I have and start biking/walking/lifting weights. Combine these and everything else will fall into place. Those pounds will melt like butter.

      Take it from a guy who lost 70lbs in 5 1/2 months, it is initially very hard but once you make it through the first month without quitting, it becomes very easy. I mean, I really feel like shit if I don't exercise...it is almost an addiction now only it isn't bad for you.

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    5. Re:Get up and walk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      If you're going to up the amount of exercise you do, then you actually want to be eating carbs (assuming this is running or something else one might classify as working out and not just going for a walk more frequently). When your body has an excess of carbohydrates, they get converted into fats for storage. However, exercise depletes these fat reserves, as well as the carbs stored in your muscles and such. So eating carbs is important to stay healthy when you are physically active.

      Walking will certainly help to cut back the weight. Laying off the carbs will help too. However, if you do something more intense than walking or the occasional jog, you need those carbs to keep the energy levels up.

    6. Re:Get up and walk. by Toasty981 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I find the carbohydrates vs. fats arguments silly. It's all about calories. It's simple: If you take in more than you burn per day, no matter what the source, you gain weight.

      That being said, there's a big difference in carbohydrates. Avoid refined sugars (manufactured, like cake)if you need sweet foods and stay with the natural carbs found in sweet things like fruit and veggies.

      Also stick with complex carbohydrates/starches, found in cereals, grain, bread, pasta, etc. They're healthy, and if you keep your diet in check, you'll lose weight and be feeding good stuff to your body.

      Of course, a lot of the above doesn't apply if you go the weightlifting route, but that's an entirely different argument.

    7. Re:Get up and walk. by sgups · · Score: 1

      Thank you. I get a lot of advice about staying off carbs and running at the same time. It is almost impossible to convince those people that you actually need carbs if you are physically active. I have been doing weights and doing cardio. So for me, my diet has to have a proper balance of proteins and carbs(along with the other stuff) - and not a carb-free diet.

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    8. Re:Get up and walk. by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1

      Just to clarify, by 'laying off the carbs' I was not suggesting that you totally cut off your carbohydrate intake. Just monitor and control it so that you are not eating too much for your level of exercise.

    9. Re:Get up and walk. by saitoh · · Score: 1

      If you eat any bread products, go for wheet over white bread, I dont remember the scientific reason (less yeast? I dont remember, its early in the day for me...) but its worked well for those I know.

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    10. Re:Get up and walk. by mark_lybarger · · Score: 1

      i believe the carbs are only needed when you're not out to loose body fat and or weight. burning fat is what the body does when there's no carbs to be had. the body also burns fat more effeciently than it burns carbohydrates (less of that complex chemical conversion going on). thus (from what my dietician wife tells me) if you want to loose body fat and gain muscle, stay off the carbs and exercise.

      there are no essential carbohydrates for the body to survive.

    11. Re:Get up and walk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If you eat any bread products, go for wheet over white bread, I dont remember the scientific reason

      more fiber == less absorption. whole wheat breads go through you faster.

    12. Re:Get up and walk. by SoSueMe · · Score: 1

      or you could read this.
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    13. Re:Get up and walk. by mark_lybarger · · Score: 1

      if the body doesn't absorb the calories in the fatty foods, then it does matter what you take in. from what i hear, the body will convert any unused carbohydrates to stored body fat. does it store unused fat intake?

    14. Re:Get up and walk. by jshare · · Score: 1
      It's simple: If you take in more than you burn per day, no matter what the source, you gain weight.
      This is true, but the question is, "Does everything you eat get 'taken in' (i.e. metabolized)?". If someone metabolizes fat better than carbs, and poops out less of the eaten calories, then it does matter what they eat.

      That being said, I have no idea what the "normal human" is like, as far as digesting food, so I can't say whether the carb vs. fat thing has any merit. My understanding as to the reason the Atkins diet works is that people digest fat and protein much less readily than they do carbs, so you effectively eat fewer calories.

    15. Re:Get up and walk. by tetro · · Score: 1

      It's all about the calories right? The carbs vs. protein argument involves this. A cup of carbs has more calories vs. a cup of protein.

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    16. Re:Get up and walk. by Gunzour · · Score: 1

      Complex carbs and starches are not really healthy. They have no real nutritional value, and they add up fast. Pasta, bread, etc. are mostly empty calories. Refined grains are about as bad as refined sugars.

      Personally I wouldn't go as far as the Atkins diet, but in general most people could stand to cut back on their carbs. The Atkins thing is designed to trigger specific biological events in your body and you shouldn't do it unless you fully understand what you are getting into.

      Fat doesn't just 'pass through' any more than carbs do, unless you consume a whole lot of it at once. Each gram of fat converts to 9 calories of energy, where each gram of carbs or protien convert to 4 calories. (Alcohol, BTW, is 7 calories per gram.) This calorie density is mostly why fatty foods have gotten such a bad rap, but carb-dense foods can pack just as many calories as fatty foods.

    17. Re:Get up and walk. by eggsurplus · · Score: 1

      I'm not flaming here. Just telling the facts. UNUSED carbohydrates will turn to fat. Carbohydrates to not turn to fat if used. Carbos are crucial for energy. Especially for highly intensive activities like sprinting or playing basketball. But since you are in an office all day and don't work out definitely watch the carbs since you'll probably never burn it off in a day. At the very least don't have anything high in carbs within 3 hours of going to sleep.

    18. Re:Get up and walk. by mausmalone · · Score: 1
      I find the carbohydrates vs. fats arguments silly. It's all about calories. It's simple: If you take in more than you burn per day, no matter what the source, you gain weight.
      Actuallly, there is a difference, though neither is good for you, and they're particularly bad in combination.

      Carbohydrates change the way your body processes foods, and this varries from person to person. For a lot of people, it makes them more readily absorb fats and sugars, which is why things like cake are bad for you (processed sugar + carbohydrates in the flour), but they just don't seem to phase certain people.

      Like the above poster said, stay away from sweets with refined sugars. Especially stay away from those with any sort of breadding (twinkies, cake, donuts, pastries), as well as fats combined with carbohydrates (bagel w/ cream cheese, bread w/ butter). Eat more vegetables, and don't think that you need variety. If you can only think of like 3 healthy meals, cycle those 3 meals until you can think of some more. If corn is the only vegetable you like, then damnit, eat corn at every meal. Vegetables serve a dual purpose... they're a healthy source of vitamins and minerals, and they fill you up so that you eat less unhealthy stuff.

      And if you're a geek, then you can't pass up something that accomplishes 2 jobs at once. :)
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    19. Re:Get up and walk. by crazyphilman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not going to argue the point, because you have a good one, but I'll add a warning:

      If you're one of the 800 out of 100,000 people who are susceptible to gout, you'd better stick to a high-carb, low-protein diet or you'll be in a world of hurt in no time. I went on Atkins and lost thirty pounds. So far, so good, right? But, one morning I woke in agony. The high protein brought on a horrible attack of gout, which is a form of arthritis affecting the large joints of the foot, and often comes on overnight with very little warning. I felt like someone was driving red hot spikes through my big toe's largest joint, and within a few days I couldn't even walk. It's about a week and a half later, and I'm hobbling around, yoda-style with a wooden cane, but at least the pain has gone way down (I'm a vegetarian now, and I'm drinking huge amounts of water, cranberry juice, and cherry juice, which seems to be helping).

      GOUT. And, I'm only 32!!!

      Anyway, you won't know you're susceptible until you have an attack, and if you have an attack, you'll wish you were dead for at least a week or two. It's really, really horrible. The pain is really intense.

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    20. Re:Get up and walk. by melete · · Score: 1


      Another option is to look at getting your excercise before you get to work -- I ride a bike every day to and from work (~2 mi. each way, used to be 5 mi.), and it helps keep the weight off.

    21. Re:Get up and walk. by Thavius · · Score: 1

      I second laying off the carbos - as I have done it for a while, and am watching the weight fall off.

      I love chicken, so I eat lots of that, and beef too. My lunches are often a chicken breast with veggies, dinners are much the same (meat and veggies). It got boring after a while, but seeing myself become less gravitationally-challenged is a great motivator.

      As far as energy goes, you'll be tired the first few days you're on that diet. Carbs = quick energy. When you're not intaking carbs, your body must first metabolize your fat into sugars, giving you energy. This takes time, but is steady energy. I liked that alot. No big highs and lows during the day, just a steady, albiet low, stream of energy.

      I coupled this with exercise. At work, I drink lots of water (probably about 4 liters of water a day). This is good for you, but helps me, because I have to get up, go downstairs to the bathroom on a regular interval. Also, I go walking or play tennis in the evenings, and am active in martial arts.

      My taekwondo instructor did the same diet, and shed about 45 lbs. I've hit the 15 lb mark since starting, and am keeping it off. I still have further to go, but am happy so far. I've been overweight all my life. I was pushing 300 lbs about 7 years ago. I was 260 (+/- 10 lbs) in college (2 years ago) I'm down to about 240 now, and hope to get down to about 220 before I'm done.

      The thing about the Atkins diet, is it focuses on keeping your metabolism burning fat. When you consume carbs (especially simple ones like processed sugar), your body fires off insulin. This starts processing those carbos for energy. Now that your body is working on those injested carbos, it stops processing the stored ones (the ones around your waist). Once it's done with those you've injested, it goes back to your stored ones.

      By greatly reducing the carbs you injest, your body is constantly working on your stored ones for energy. If you keep your body working on your fat stores, the pounds will start to come off quickly.

      This diet definitely takes willpower (especially when there's bread being baked in the house), but is definitely worth it. So grab some chicken and veggies. Load up on celery and carrots (they actually take MORE calories to digest than they contain, bonus!) and find the joy of spices. Drop the sugars and carbs (forget the beer, that's the toughest sacrifice), and watch yourself change for the better.

    22. Re:Get up and walk. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This stuff gets absorbed by your body and makes you fat. Actual fat is more or less just passing through and makes it into the toilet with your centrum multivitamin.

      Wha? No it doesn't. Don't kids have to take physiology in high school anymore?

      There are certain classes of fats that can pass through your intestines undigested - that's what Olestra is all about. It causes gas pains, 'staining' and 'seepage'. That means it leaks out your ass. I seem to recall eating a bushel of peaches might have a similar effect because of a fat they contain.

      Anyway, most fats are broken down, just like carbohydrates and proteins. You figure 9 kcal/gram of fat and 6 for carbs and protein, IIRC. It takes energy and enzymes to break down the stuff, until you get it into basic fatty acids, amino acids, and glucoses that your body can use to build what it actually needs (there's even a neat fructose to glucose step, 5 to 6 carbon if memory serves).

      If you eat too much simple sugar you'll mess with your insulin response and if you eat too much protein you'll put a strain on your kidneys, and if you eat too much fat you'll clog your arteries.

      How 'bout this?: Eat a balanced diet of foods that are good for you. I know, heresy.

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    23. Re:Get up and walk. by cybermage · · Score: 5, Informative

      I find the carbohydrates vs. fats arguments silly. It's all about calories. It's simple: If you take in more than you burn per day, no matter what the source, you gain weight.

      Not necessarily. Here's the rationale for low-carb diets in a nutshell:

      1. In order to store calories as fat, the body needs insulin to get the sugar from the blood into the cells.
      2. Most carbohydrates drive up the blood-sugar level causing the release of insulin.
      3. If you greatly reduce or eliminate carbs from your diet, you have a very hard time storing excess calories due to the short supply of insulin.

      So,

      4. If you eliminate or reduce carbs, you have a very hard time creating new fat storage.

      The trick, then, is to manage to burn existing stores. On a low/no-carb diet, any excersize that triggers the burning of fat should be permanent weight loss.

      You are correct in saying that you need to burn more than you consume to lose weight, but a low-carb diet gives you a net to work with. If you consume too many calories in a day, you won't lose weight, but you won't gain either (as long as the excess isn't carbs.)

      This advice comes to you from someone who's managed to lose 114 lbs dieting and has kept it off. I got BIG sitting at the computer. I can tell you that there's no substitute for excersize, but the right restrictions on intake can help a lot. Any Slashdotters who want some serious advice/support from someone who's been their, just drop me an email.

    24. Re:Get up and walk. by schmink182 · · Score: 2, Funny
      "...stay off the carbs and exercise."

      Got it. No more carbs or exercise for me. Thanks a bunch!

    25. Re:Get up and walk. by Toasty981 · · Score: 1

      Of course you're right about calories. You still have to watch what you eat, even if it is healthy.

      But, like Andy said, the two sources are comparable in calories, while fat is at least double. Of course, most people don't eat food pure, it depends on what "surrounds" the food (for lack of a better term.) A fish-oil capsule (all protein) will contain the same amount of calories as carbs, but steak obviously won't. There's too much junk surrounding it. By and large, foods containing carbohydrates have less junk.

      The WHO and the US Diet guidelines both suggest about 50% of your daily calorie intake should be carbohydrates. Our bodies don't process complex carbs very well, but overall, grains and the like are far healthier for your body.

    26. Re:Get up and walk. by zaphod110676 · · Score: 1

      When the wheat kernel is processed to make white flower what they do is take out the portion of the kernel (the wheat germ) that is good for you. The only reason this is done is because the germ contains a lot of moisture and therefore whole wheat flour doesn't have as long a shelf life as processed and bleached flours. What your left with is basicly sugar and nutritionally useless.

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    27. Re:Get up and walk. by Toasty981 · · Score: 1

      Good points. I've done intentional insulin spikes as part of weight training, but most people don't want to do that (I have plenty of free time at college to do so, that might change when I'm graduated) So, I still say that for people who are looking to simply avoid bad foods and lose weight, eating the carb-heavy foods is a healthy approach and will sufficiently satisfy their appetite.

      I don't like the Atkins diet simply because I still think all that fat is not good for the heart and arteries.

    28. Re:Get up and walk. by jgardn · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I find the carbohydrates vs. fats arguments silly. It's all about calories. It's simple: If you take in more than you burn per day, no matter what the source, you gain weight.


      Let's talk about what happens when you eat carbs vs. when you eat fat.

      Let's pretend you eat a pound of butter for lunch. Your body, which is not digesting fat, but rather accumulating fat (you are getting fatter, right?) will simple expel the butter. It can't store it.

      Let's pretent you eat a pound of sugar for lunch. Your body will absorb the sugar into the blood stream after breaking it down. Your cells will take what they need -- but they are probably already pretty well off, and your body won't need as much sugar as you put into your system. So your body releases insulin to have the fat cells absorb and store the sugar as fat. (Incidentally, you have likely gained a resistance to insulin, so your body probably releases too much, and having too much insulin without any sugar leads to hunger.)

      The idea of limiting carbs is to switch your body from carb-burning mode to fat-burning mode. When you start burning fat, you stop gaining fat. Why store fat when there are no excess carbs to store?

      So that pound of butter you ate for lunch is partially burned, but mostly crapped out. And that pound of sugar? You won't be eating much sugar anymore.

      Once you get over the initial two days of limited carbs, your body's insulin will be pretty low or maybe close to nil. Your constant hunger will disappear, as long as you don't overdo the carbs again. And you will be able to eat a couple of slices of cheese and hold off on food until dinner.
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    29. Re:Get up and walk. by theedge318 · · Score: 2, Informative
      IANAD ... but Parent poster nearly has it right. There is a HUGE differences in Carbs.

      Scientific American recently ran an article on the "New Food Pyramid."

      For those of you that don't want to read the article:

      Sugar: Glucose (blood sugar) is bad, as it causes your blood sugar levels to spike and helps cause Diabetes.
      More other sugars that need to be broken down into glucose are better, b/c they don't cause any spikes to the blood sugar level.

      Complex Carbs/starches - not all are good:
      • White grains (labeled as bleached, durum, semolina, etc) are actually just long strains of glucose, which the body is very adept at turning straight into glucose (and thus the blood sugar spike)
      • Whole wheats are not as easily handled by the body, and actually require that the body spend more energy digesting them. Also there are more nutrients/fiber in the outside shell of a grain, which are stripped off in white grains.
      Fats
      Not all fats are bad, the FDA just thinks the American consumer is to stupid to know the difference. Just avoid these words:
      • Saturated Fat
      • Trans-fat
      • Hydrogenated (appears in ingredient list)

      The Mediterranean diet actually very high in fat from Olive Oil, but they live longer than people with more western diets.
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    30. Re:Get up and walk. by Toasty981 · · Score: 1

      I disagree. They have nutritional value for sure, particularly the fiber. Fiber gives a feeling of fulness, and will decrease your appetite. Perfect for those looking to lose weight. WHO and the US Diet guidelines suggest 50% of your calories come from carbs, and while there is back and forth research on this, I think carbs are definitely healthier.

      Just about anything refined is bad.

    31. Re:Get up and walk. by sribe · · Score: 1

      And lay off the carbohydrates too. This might start a flame war (Atkins diet arguments and such.) You should lay of the bread, chips, orange juice, and other things that have a lot of carbs. This stuff gets absorbed by your body and makes you fat. Actual fat is more or less just passing through and makes it into the toilet with your centrum multivitamin.

      Cutting back on the carbohydrates and stepping up on the exercise is really what makes the difference.

      Now, would anyone with a better understanding of dietary values care to correct me?


      Sorta, kinda. Fat definitely does not "just pass through" in any sense. It's actually easier to digest and goes more directly to your flab. However the Atkins theory is that severely restricting carbohydrate consumption throws the body into a different metabolic state, where weight loss becomes much easier.

      I've been following this lately, because some interesting data is now coming out. It turns out that all the physicians and nutrionists who have been mocking Atkins as pseudo-science for the past 30 years or so, did not have any actual scientific results to back up their criticisms--just common knowledge and assumptions. Assumptions which completely ignored what was being learned about endocrinology.

      I think there's going to a real shit-storm within the next 5 years, because so much of what we've been told by the establishment (iow USDA and AHA in the US) was based on mere assumption but presented as science. And it's beginning to look like it was wrong--that the food pyramid with its big base in carbs (grains) is a recipe for obesity and Type II diabetes.

      All through my 20s and 30s I practiced (mostly) the low-fat high-carb recommendations, and managed to stay pretty active overall. I always thought that Atkins was some kind of fringe quack, based on what I read. But now that the truth is coming out, there is no evidence that Atkins doesn't work, and never was. Where it has been studied recently, the data that is coming out suggests that it might work after all. And by work, I don't mean just rapid weight loss--I mean rapid weight loss, while increasing HDL, without increasing LDL, and none of the other dire health problems predicted by mainstream nutritional theory.

      Just so you know this is not an ill-informed rant, here are a few references:

      Here's a decent primer on more current nutrional thinking.

      This article from the New York Times Magazine was one of the better ones, because it dug deeply enough to uncover the original gap in the science and the way it was glossed over for political expediency. Unfortunately, the article is old enough that it's in the for-pay archives. However, a quick google search for the title turns up a number of web sites with copies. For instance, here, here, here, here, and a pdf here.

      There are other articles I've seen within the past 2 years that make what seem to me to be good solid scientific points, but I can't remember the reference. FYI, my interest all started when I read a small AP blurb in a newspaper about a nutrional researcher who got the idea to locate and examine the results of all the studies of the Atkins diet, then discovered that there were no such studies!

    32. Re:Get up and walk. by nelsonal · · Score: 1

      I've also heard that people get tired of eating just protein and end up eating less too. Also meat and the like take signifcantly longer to digest making you feel full for a longer part of the day. One easy switch is to try to eat some salad with every meal. There are hundreds of different types of salads go find a few that you like and eat those. They are almost all filled with good food and can be quite tasty.

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    33. Re:Get up and walk. by sribe · · Score: 1

      I just couldn't let it go; from the previously mentioned article here's the section which absolutely stunned me:

      It was Ancel Keys , paradoxically, who introduced the low-fat-is-good-health dogma in the 50's with his theory that dietary fat raises cholesterol levels and gives you heart disease. Over the next two decades, however, the scientific evidence supporting this theory remained stubbornly ambiguous. The case was eventually settled not by new science but by politics. It began in January 1977, when a Senate committee led by George McGovern published its ''Dietary Goals for the United States,'' advising that Americans significantly curb their fat intake to abate an epidemic of ''killer diseases'' supposedly sweeping the country. It peaked in late 1984, when the National Institutes of Health officially recommended that all Americans over the age of 2 eat less fat. By that time, fat had become ''this greasy killer'' in the memorable words of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, and the model American breakfast of eggs and bacon was well on its way to becoming a bowl of Special K with low-fat milk, a glass of orange juice and toast, hold the butter a dubious feast of refined carbohydrates.

      In the intervening years, the N.I.H. spent several hundred million dollars trying to demonstrate a connection between eating fat and getting heart disease and, despite what we might think, it failed . Five major studies revealed no such link. A sixth, however, costing well over $100 million alone, concluded that reducing cholesterol by drug therapy could prevent heart disease. (This benefit was only seen in individuals who ALREADY had heart disease.) The N.I.H. administrators then made a leap of faith. Basil Rifkind, who oversaw the relevant trials for the N.I.H., described their logic this way :they had failed to demonstrate, at great expense, that eating less fat had any health benefits. But if a cholesterol-lowering drug could prevent heart attacks, then a low-fat, cholesterol-lowering diet should do the same. ''It's an imperfect world,'' Rifkind told me. ''The data that would be definitive is ungettable, so you do your best with what is available.''

      Some of the best scientists disagreed with this low-fat logic, suggesting that good science was incompatible with such leaps of faith, but they were effectively ignored . Pete Ahrens, whose Rockefeller University laboratory had done the seminal research on cholesterol metabolism, testified to McGovern's committee that everyone responds differently to low-fat diets. It was not a scientific matter who might benefit and who might be harmed, he said, but ''a betting matter.'' Phil Handler, then president of the National Academy of Sciences, testified in Congress to the same effect in 1980. ''What right,'' Handler asked, ''has the federal government to propose that the American people conduct a vast nutritional experiment, with themselves as subjects, on the strength of so very little evidence that it will do them any good?''

    34. Re:Get up and walk. by Eccles · · Score: 1

      My understanding as to the reason the Atkins diet works is that people digest fat and protein much less readily than they do carbs, so you effectively eat fewer calories.

      The idea is that fat and protein make you feel full much more than carbs, and thus you eat fewer calories simply because you don't feel hungry.

      Assuming you're not a creationist, what do you think our ancestors ate on the plains of the Serengeti? Grains and rice generally require farming and cooking. Berries are seasonal, and were typically smaller before human cultivation. Meat, leafy veggies, and eggs were probably among their primary food sources. Our bodies evolved to handle those sources well. What carbohydrate-rich food did people have before the agrarian revolution? Not many, so it's not too surprising our bodies might not handle carbs so well.

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    35. Re:Get up and walk. by ralphclark · · Score: 1

      I don't think I've ever seen so many ways to spell a single word (excercise) in one place before.

      But more to the point - what everybody seems to be forgetting is that it is *normal* for male primates in early middle age to start developing a pot belly. It's normal for pre-menopausal females to put on weight too. It has been argued that it attempts to ensure the body will have sufficient resources to survive disease and injury (which become more likely and more devastating as one gets older).

      This "gym culture" is a right pain in the ass anyway. I can think of better ways of spending my time that on some damn treadmill. And I'm far from convinced that it increases longevity. To take one recent example which should strike a chord for many of us: Douglas Adams died suddenly during a gym workout. And Jim Fixx - whom many credit with starting the 1970's "jogging" craze - died of a heart attack while, you guessed it, out jogging.

    36. Re:Get up and walk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the big point of the Atkins diet is that fats and protein make you feel full faster than carbs which keep you eating (due to the insulin response?). There may be some truth to this as I find I'm far more quickly sated by something like nuts whereas if I'm eating chips or crackers I could polish off the whole box/bag before feeling full even though they weighed about the same.

    37. Re:Get up and walk. by sexylicious · · Score: 1

      There is no way that you can "target" a muscle group. You need to do cardio stuff. Walking is probably the best for someone that is not into doing exercise.

      And watch the diet with the carbs and fats. Look at it like carbs are pure energy. You need so much energy for a given day. For most people, they only need some cereal in the morning, and some rice or something in the afternoon. Juices and pop have a TON of sugar, so try to eat the fruits and vegetables instead of drinking them. Your intake of salts also will make your body retain water (to keep the h2o-salt balances correct).

      As for getting enough cardio to make progress, do this:
      Set aside a chunk of time each day (an hour at the most). Then start off just walking as far as you can in that hour. It doesn't have to be one continuous hour either; you can walk some in the morning, then some in the evening or whatever. Then you keep trying to walk a little bit farther each day. After a couple weeks or months, you'll be walking fast enough that you'll need to run to go far enough to fill up an hour's worth of activity. Once you get to the level where you are jogging or running, it does not matter what body type or metabolic rate you have. You WILL shed pounds.
      Even if you only do that for half an hour a day, that's plenty for most people regardless of their diets. Just don't dive headfirst into a new diet and a harsh exercise routine. You'll fail if you try to do it all at once. Make gradual changes and you'll stick with them longer.

    38. Re:Get up and walk. by sexylicious · · Score: 1

      One thing to add is that as you make your workout more intense (progress from walking to running), you'll need to increase your energy intake. That means that you'll have to adjust your diet a bit more to include more carbs. And you should stick with rices, and other grains. If you are running for the entire hour, then you should have something like some cereal in the morning, some rice at lunch and some potatos in the afternoon. Try to not consume any foods within a few hours of your bedtime too.

    39. Re:Get up and walk. by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Except for the fact that the "Insulin" thinking is false. See this article:

      http://venus.nildram.co.uk/veganmc/insulin.htm

      See, the problem is that insulin response doesn't actually correspond with Glucose levels as commonly thought. Instead, the body responds with how much insulin it *thinks* it will need. Thus, fish produces more insulin than white pasta! This of course leads back to the argument "What about the Eskimo's? They eat a heavy meat diet with very little carbs."

      The Eskimos are interesting because common thinking says that they should have rampant heart disease. Yet they don't. Doctors have been studying it and now believe that there are two factors:

      1. Eskimos get *lots* of exercise. Westerners are getting less and less exercise every year.
      2. Fish contains Omega-3, a substance that is believed to help break down and flush oils from the body. Thus the new research that says fish once or twice a month is good for you.

      What's really interesting is that these days we think of heart disease as clogging of arteries. Yet before 1910, this form of heart disease was practically unheard of! Between 1910 and 1930, the number of deaths from clogged arteries went from practically nothing to ~300,000 per year! So, what's the most obvious conclusion? It's the lifestyle stupid. Exercise more, eat fewer saturated fats/oils and simple sugars and you'll live a long and healthly life.

    40. Re:Get up and walk. by Rhone · · Score: 1

      While you're making the distinction between good and bad carbohydrates, it seems worthwhile to also make the distinction between good (unsaturated) and bad (saturated) fats.

      Saturated fats are the kind that drastically increase your risk for heart attacks and many other problems by clogging your arteries with bad cholesterol. Unsaturated fats are fine, though. Saturated fats are more common in animal products (whole milk, eggs, and meat), and unsaturated fats are more common in vegetable products.

      Butter is mostly saturated fat, while vegetable oils are mostly unsaturated. Note that margarine uses "hydrogenated fat" (also sometimes referred to as "transfatty acids" I think), which is basically unsaturated fat artificially turned into saturated fat (but not advertised as such), and it may actually be _even worse_ than saturated fat. Stay away from margarine.

      For those of you who actually care about your health as much as your appearance, keep that in mind. A healthy diet is one made up of healthy, unrefined carbohydrates (brown rice instead of white rice, wheat bread instead of white bread, potatoes, etc.), legumes (beans, peas, and related foods), fruits, vegetables, and only modest amounts of meat (preferably white meat).

      I suspect that in the next few decades we are going to start seeing a drastic increase in thin, healthy looking people dropping dead of heart attacks in their 50's and 60's, thanks to the Atkins diet and our shallow society.

    41. Re:Get up and walk. by Zachary+Kessin · · Score: 1

      find a time (say mid afternoon) to take a 30 minute brisk walk it will help your thinking (or at least it always does for me) and it burns some calories. The other plus of walking is that all you need is a good pair of shoes and maybe a bottle of water. A friend of mine also has a pair of weights that she straps onto her writsts or ankles when she walks. A pair of 5lb weights at your desk can help too.

      The other thing you can do is switch from soda to ice water. That helps a lot!

      --
      Erlang Developer and podcaster
    42. Re:Get up and walk. by esobofh · · Score: 1

      it's been quite simple for me.. I follow the "do everything opposite of the majority of americans" - I became a vegetarian, i eat tonnes of high quality organic vegetables, with all the sugar and carbs i want in vegetable/fruit form.. i rarely excercise.. and the pounds are flying off..

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      Esobofh - Currently drinking fresh mango juice.
    43. Re:Get up and walk. by ipjohnson · · Score: 1

      repeat after me "insulin is not a recreational drug" ....

    44. Re:Get up and walk. by bmajik · · Score: 4, Informative

      your first statement doesn't jive with the second. :)

      you rightly say to avoid refined sugars, and that different carbs do different things to you.

      but you first said that its all about calories.

      thats about as empty as saying "the key to scoring with women, is the _intercourse_"

      then the third thing you say - stick with starches - is a baaaaad idea.

      here's what i currently understand to be the case: (based on the book "The Sugar Busters Diet", recommended to me by my doctor to try and avoid the onset of Type2 diabeties)

      the majority of fat on our bodies comes from sugars. Eating any food with a high glycemic index will elevate the blood sugar level in the body. The pancreas secretes insulin to lower the blood sugar level. Insulin is the hormone that tells fat cells to open the gates and suck as much sugar out of the blood as possible.

      See many thin diabetics ?

      refined sugars and fast-burning carbs cause a glycemic reaction that effectively means your blood sugar level spikes. the body must gush insulin into the bloodstream to back that away into fat cells as fast as possible, because there's no way you could legitimately burn the energy stored in all that sugar in time to regulate your blood sugar back down via consumption. oh, theres a nice vicious cycle effect here as well. See, the more insulin you have in your blood, the more your body's cells are likely to develop insulin resistance. So you already need elevated insulin to quell the shitty food you just ate. Then you need to supplement that insulin because your body responds to it at a reduced rate. the pancreas eventually gives up, running at a dually accelerated rate. poor food choices are a 1-2 punch that basically guarantee type2 diabeties in people, which is why 30 and 40 year olds are getting it in droves.

      the shitty thing about this is polluting your bloodstream with a glycemic spike means that all subsequent food you eat - no matter how healthy - goes straight to fat until the suger level is under control. the helpful, natural sugars in fruits? - straight to fat, because you've still got more blood sugar than you can handle.

      Starch incidentally is one of the worst things to eat, because its turned into sugar by the body in an extremely fast and efficient manner. A baked potato is equivalent to between 50 and 85% of its volume of table sugar, from a blood sugar perspective. Nobody would knowingly eat that much refined sugar!!

      Non diet pop is the absolute worst, however. It is literally bottled poison. There are more than 10 teaspoons of sugar in a can of coke. There is infact so much sugar in there that they salt it up a little to balance the taste. (why do you think pop is high in sodium ?)

      case in point: on the nutrition card at burger king, they list the nutrition info for a extra-king size Coke. its 950 calories, and 108 GRAMS of sugar.

      lets do some math - 108 grams is a tenth of a kilogram, and a kilogram is 2.2 pounds, so 108 grams is .22 pounds, or a QUARTER POUND. There is a QUARTER POUND of sugar in a king-size coke from burger king. Nobody in their right mind would knowingly add a quarter pound of table sugar to a beverage. the refined foods industry in the US is doing its population a huge disservice. Unfortuneately, heavily sweetened foods taste better, so people buy them. But the costs are staggering. obesity will replace smoking as the #1 killer in america within the next few years. Childhood obesity is estimated at almost 50%.

      THe faster you cut all high glycemic foods out of your diet, the happier you'll be. (you being the "general you")

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    45. Re:Get up and walk. by Spanky+Lovesalot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's all about calories. It's simple: If you take in more than you burn per day, no matter what the source, you gain weight.

      Actually, no ... there's a lot more to it than that. There is insulin, and how the levels affect the way your body handles storage of fat and use of calories. There are also hormones, which can be affected by the types and amount of food you eat, such as leptin.

      You can read more than you ever wanted to know in this article by John Berardi.

      Like he says, it's never as simple as people would like to believe it is.

    46. Re:Get up and walk. by Rhone · · Score: 1

      Foods high in fiber tend to make you feel more satiated (the fiber content is really the big difference between natural complex carbs and refined complex carbs). Nuts are high in fiber, complex carbs, and unsaturated fat. The chips and crackers are high in complex carbs (and the chips are high in fat too if they're fried), but have no fiber.

      I eat a bowl of oatmeal (low fat, high complex carbs, and high fiber) every morning and it always makes me feel stuffed. And that's with exactly one serving. With refined cereals, I'd have to eat more than the recommended amount for a single serving, and even then I'd be hungry again very quickly.

    47. Re:Get up and walk. by doctechniqal · · Score: 1

      It was back in mid-April of this year that Slashdot posted an article mentioning John Walker's "Hacker's Diet." I am a 48 yr old male, 5' 7.5", sedentary programmer. My weight was pushing 173 and I was really starting to feel it. Walker's book lit a fire under me and while I have not yet adopted the exercise regimen, I have adhered to his core diet advice of eating less than I burn by (a) determining how much I burn (free diet assessment at caloriescount.com) and rigorously counting calories to keep intake below what I burn each day. It is now a little over 3 months since I started and I've lost 17 lbs. My goal is to reach 150 by the end of the year, at which time I can allow myself to eat as much as (but not more than) I burn. Exercise aside, the thing that is hardest for people to wrap their heads around is that this is not just a program of weight loss, it is a program of weight control and to be of any value it has to be something you are willing to commit to for the rest of your life. The mere act of counting calories and reading the labels on the packaging of the food I eat has given me a greater appreciation of making sure my body gets what it needs, not what my appetite and taste buds were telling me I wanted. After my body got over the initial shock of the adjustment (the program is, after all, a form of starvation in small increments), my appetite has adjusted to the point where it lets me know when I am at risk of overeating at one sitting. I've found acceptable substitues for my salty/crunchy jones (mini rice cakes and white cheddar soy crisps are great!) and I've replaced copious consumption of sodas with vitamin waters and Crystal Light. I've cut my consumption of coffe down to about 1/2 of what it was, and I use skim milk instaed of half & half (huge calorie savings there!). Problems I was having with acid reflux have disappeared, a most welcome side effect. And the best thing: my S.O. thinks I'm much cuter now (and lets me know in very physical ways... :) )

    48. Re:Get up and walk. by joshv · · Score: 1

      What's really interesting is that these days we think of heart disease as clogging of arteries. Yet before 1910, this form of heart disease was practically unheard of! Between 1910 and 1930, the number of deaths from clogged arteries went from practically nothing to ~300,000 per year!

      In 1910 what was the average life span? What is the average age of death due to heart attack? I doubt people lived long enough to die of their heart disease.

      -josh

    49. Re:Get up and walk. by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      It was actually the invention of Antibiotics that stopped the *real* heart disease of the time: disease. Viral and Baterial infections often caused heart failures. The lifespan may not have been as long, but it was long enough. A good number of heart attacks today happen in peoples 30s and 40s. Natural lifespans around that time were at least 50 years.

    50. Re:Get up and walk. by binaryDigit · · Score: 1

      the body also burns fat more effeciently than it burns carbohydrates

      hmmm, I always heard it was the other way around. The body converts carbs into glucose, which it then burns. Fat takes more effort to burn. Your body will burn off available carbs FIRST, then go to it's fat stores. This is why you have to exercise beyond a certain amount to actually lose weight, vs the amount you have to exercise to simply keep weight off. If what you said was true, long distance atheletes should be doing the exact opposite of what they current do. They'd want to have a minimum of carbs in their system, so their bodies would burn the "easier" burning fat.

    51. Re:Get up and walk. by ralphclark · · Score: 1

      Dammit. It's "exercise". EXERCISE. Isn't it?

    52. Re:Get up and walk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      800 out of 100,000
      isn't that like 8 out of a 1000, or did the statistic not look scary enough unless you multiplied it by 100

    53. Re:Get up and walk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It can affect more than just the foot. For instance my father's last attack of the gout was in his knee.

    54. Re:Get up and walk. by Beliskner · · Score: 1
      It's all about calories. It's simple: If you take in more than you burn per day, no matter what the source, you gain weight
      Trash. Uranium has lots of calories, and yet if you eat it you won't become fat. Fat similarly is processed minimally if protein is present.

      This is how I remember it - Carbs is like 110Volts AC, and Fat is like 110Volts DC; Carbs get transformed by the transformer, and Fat passes straight through like a short circuit.

      --
      A caveman dreams of being us, the incalculable power and riches. We dream of being Q, then what?
    55. Re:Get up and walk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes

    56. Re:Get up and walk. by jshare · · Score: 1
      Your two paragraphs seem to be contradictory. In the first, you say that it's just the feeling of fullness that makes the difference, and in the second you indicate that you believe carbs to be less readily digested than fat and protein. So, which is it?

      By the way, this link indicates that the Atkins diet is very much to do with the difference in metabolization between carbs, fats and proteins.

      The core concept of The Atkins Diet is Dr. Atkins' theory that over-consumption of and hypersensitivity to carbohydrates is the root of our problem with being overweight. The principle he bases his plan on says that it is the way your body processes the carbohydrates you eat -- not how much fat you eat -- that causes you to gain weight.


    57. Re:Get up and walk. by Utoxin · · Score: 1

      Hey, could you contact me privately? I could use some advice on this front, and would really appreciate hearing from someone who's been there.

      --
      Matthew Walker
      http://www.tweeterdiet.com/ - My Diet Tracking Tool
    58. Re:Get up and walk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Cutting back on the carbohydrates and stepping up on the exercise is really what makes the difference.
      What makes the difference is when cals out > cals in. If you get that inequality then you will lose weight. As for carbs... you should be worrying about simple and refined sugars and starches. The reason is that these are easily converted into glucose. When this conversion occurs your body releases insulin which triggers your cells to take in the glucose to be used as fuel. If they do not need the fuel then it is converted into fat(triglycerides) and travells through your blood stream(which incidentally contributes to cardiovascular problems) and is stored somewhere in your body. The real problem with this cycle is that it occurs real quickly because the simple carbs are easily converted into glucose. So you get an "insulin spike," and when it is over you are left craving more carbs, and the cylcle begins again when you eat more. You can find out more by searching for "glycemic index." Fat is most certainly NOT just passed through the body. The body needs essential fatty acids from your diet because these are "essential" for various functions and it cannot produce them from any other source. _Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill_ is a pretty good source which discusses the various roles of various fats in our bodies.
    59. Re:Get up and walk. by pchasco · · Score: 1

      Yep, i'll give it a try.

      This stuff gets absorbed by your body and makes you fat. Actual fat is more or less just passing through and makes it into the toilet with your centrum multivitamin.
      Fat in foods is easier for your body to store as fat. It actually consumes a small number of calories for your body to convert carbohydrates into a substance to be stored.

      There is no real evidence that diets high in carbs contribute to weight gain. People living in the far east have a substantially higher ratio of carb per calorie as a result of their diets and have a significantly lower occurance of obesity. This is not attributed to genes, as Asians living in the states eating western diets have a similarly high occurance of obesity.

      The weight you lose in the short term from the Atkins diet is due to loss in water. For each gram of glucose the body stores, it must store three grams of water. When you have fewer carbohydrates, your body breaks down it's supply of glucose, a substance created from carbohydrates, to use as energy. This is not fat being burned. If you look at atkins diet plans, the number of calories you intake a day is still a reduced number of calories, and this is the fat is being lost. It comes right back down to the number of calories you consume. It's that magic initial weight loss that makes believers out of so many people.

    60. Re:Get up and walk. by jcpii · · Score: 1

      Yes, get up and walk. I've noticed over my short years that simply not avoiding exercise is very useful. When someone has something heavy that needs to be carried down the hall, I volunteer. When 50 boxes of records needed to be taken down 3 flights of stairs, when furniture needs to be moved around, etc.

      Between that and not overeating (this was my big challenge), you can manage to keep reasonable muscle tone/mass. Just consider your bike ride the diffence between being a pencil neck and a beef cake (wife said to use that term).

      -John

    61. Re:Get up and walk. by daiajo · · Score: 1

      Get the Gut Busters book: Waist Loss.
      It targets sedentary men. eg. notable is that fidgeting makes up a significant energy output for sedendary people. There are lots of little tips like that. Also beer does not make you fat, its mostly easily burn energy (sugars), what will make you fat is eating sugar and fat in the same meal, as the body burns the sugar and stores the fat, that's also from the book.
      I'm in the same pickle, I went on a raw food only diet and lost 4 belt notches, but that's a really difficult diet to get on/stick to.
      Running burns more energy than walking. So do run up the stairs (all the stairs), and run short bursts (so as not to get sweaty) whenever you have a clear path (with no intersections). The biggest problem with running is the risk of running into someone, which at worst is unpopular.
      My problem is the wife's delicious curries, rather than beer. :)

    62. Re:Get up and walk. by MBMarduk · · Score: 1

      Then again, those multi-vitamins sure have helped me evade hangovers. I've been drinking 1 tablet after booze/before sleep and I've been hangover-free for nearly a month now. \m/ (Remember, you need lotsa water too, but that never quite helped my poor head that much.) On-topic: cut out the snacks and sugary sodas while you're on the job and eat carrots or some fruit.

    63. Re:Get up and walk. by Dastardly · · Score: 2, Interesting


      1. In order to store calories as fat, the body needs insulin to get the sugar from the blood into the cells.
      2. Most carbohydrates drive up the blood-sugar level causing the release of insulin.
      3. If you greatly reduce or eliminate carbs from your diet, you have a very hard time storing excess calories due to the short supply of insulin.


      Let me suggest a different rationale. Have you ever looked at how many calories there are in various meats vs pasta/bread?

      The most fatty highest calorie meat has between 80-90 calories per oz. Leaner meats fish and chicken are between 50-60 calories/oz. Most beef and lamb is in the 60-70 calorie/oz range.

      Next look at a box of pasta... ~100 calories/oz (uncooked). Look at bread ~100 calories/slice. Look at other high carb foods (chips, pretzels). They tend to be in the 100 calories/oz range.

      So, if you eat 16oz of lean meat you might get around 1000 calories at most. You eat 16oz(dry) of cooked pasta and end up at 1600 calories.

      My hypothesis is that it is just easier to maintain calorie restrictions on a high protein diet because it harder to stuff the extra calories in your stomach. I think most diets and weight loss books are really about how to make eating less than you burn easier. For example:

      1) Eating high protein makes it easier to eat fewer calories.
      2) Eating breakfast every day give your metabolism a little noost early in the day, so you burn a few extra calories each day.
      3) Drinking a lot of water can make you feel fuller, making it easier to eat less.
      4) Eating 6 small meals each day prevents hunger pangs preventing binging, and helping maintain low calorie eating.
      5) Eating give your metabolilsm a little boost, os more smaller meals gives youa bunch of littel boosts to help burn more calories.
      5) Exercising increases daily calorie burn.

      Really take a look at the little tricks you hear about dieting and they are pretty much all about helping people increase the calorie deficit with less pain.

      This advice comes from some one who has lost 20 lbs in 12 weeks through exercise and 1600(initially)-1800(now) calories per day by just changing how much I eat, not what I eat.

      Dastardly

    64. Re:Get up and walk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Couple bits of advice for you. Go investigate pH balance of your body. You can be a vegetarian and still not eat right/optimally. Most people in industrialized nations suffer from cronic acidosis, there is also a high incidence of candida.

      I've been vegetarian for over 10 years now. I'm just realizing that it's not enough to be healthy. Stay away from the convenience foods, breads, pasta, etc. I've been reading about raw food diets, just raw fruits and veggies. It may sound difficult to impossible to eat this way for a long time/rest of my life, but it's actually very satisfying now that I'm into it.

      Some of the things I've changed recently that have resulted in a very noticeable improvement in my own health have been to start juicing organic veggies/fruits in the morning, candida treatment, and going raw foodist. After that I finally had the energy to give up coffee and some of the other bad habbits.

      Now I'm clean and I feel great, it takes time, but I have more energy than ever, like being a little kid again, it's great. check out http://curezone.com, they're a great resource for people into natural healing. After seeing some of the before/after pics of some of the raw foodists out there, I'm convinced it's the way to go.

      Good luck and good health...

    65. Re:Get up and walk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless things have changed in the last eight years (when I took Nutrition as an undergrad.),
      your body doesn't care whether the calories come from carbs, protein, or fat.

      If you consume more calories than you burn, you gain weight. It's that simple.

    66. Re:Get up and walk. by judd · · Score: 1

      That is complete and utter bollocks.

      See article here (includes references to studies).

      A moment's thought about your own bowel habits would confirm this.

    67. Re:Get up and walk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I think is strange is that this is natural, but most people find it unattractive. To me, fit women are sexy, but women who have bodys that want a little extra weight that they wont let it have just look starved. On the other hand, I find slightly "overweight" women just as sexy as the fit ones. A little belly hanging out over the pants can be sexy. Maybe its just me.

    68. Re:Get up and walk. by mark_lybarger · · Score: 1

      i didn't say easier, i said more efficient. meaning that more fat off the body is burned when the body converts fat to energy. yes, the body will burn off the carbs before going into the fat stores. fat doesn't take more effort to burn. it doesn't need to be converted into a burnable source, it's already burnable. that's why the low-carb diets say that low carb intake will burn body fat. there's no carbs to burn on a daily basis, so the body burns the stored fat. the body does not store fat thats consumed. long distance runners already have a low percent of body fat, thus they need lots of carbs which will be burned off as part of their routine.

      but again, i get all this second hand from my know it all better half.

    69. Re:Get up and walk. by mark_lybarger · · Score: 1

      you got modded as funny, but actually that's what the low-carb fanatics preach. they claim that you don't need to really exercise extra while on a low carb diet. the body isn't storing the fat intake and is burning off the stored fat from the body as a result of no carb intake. there's also something about shedding stored water too, but i get this all second hand from my better half.

    70. Re:Get up and walk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also stick with complex carbohydrates/starches, found in cereals, grain, bread, pasta, etc. They're healthy, and if you keep your diet in check, you'll lose weight and be feeding good stuff to your body.

      Wrong. Complex carbs mess with your blood sugar-stick with whole wheat things.

    71. Re:Get up and walk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I lost about a 100 pounds by eating nothing but pizzas for breakfast, lunch and dinner. No shit either(pun intended, read on if you want to know why).

      Basically after a long while you stop shitting, throw in an intestinal infection and you spend the rest of your weekends for the next 3 month in the hospital with a tube stuck up your ass. You get the picture.

      You really don't want to eat much when you can't crap. So you lose a shit load of weight in the process by basically sticking to a very very light diet. =)

      Remember, FIBER is your friend!

    72. Re:Get up and walk. by Zeio · · Score: 1

      I would think heart disease wasn't an issue at the turn of the century because the life expectancy was so low.

      You think cancer, Alzheimer's Parkinson's and clogged arteries are much of a threat when you die at ~45 and below?

      There are a lot of mitigating factors, many revolve around genetics, but I would think omega-3 fatty acids would be a good thing to eat as long as your sources, mainly fish, are mercury/heavy metal free.

      For every diet strategy, for every study, there are many things that would make living a life fanatically devoted to a given strategy possibly detrimental.

      Worry about carbs. Worry about vCJD and prions. Worry about saturated fats. Worry about eicosanoids. Worry about mercury. Worry about what excessive protein can do to the kidneys. Worry about growth hormones. Worry about liver toxicity index. Worry about actually finding foods with lots of poly and mono unsaturated fats. Worry about your myelin sheathing on your nerves and gulp down Lorenzo's oil. What pisses me off the most about all this worrying is that if you reference all diets all food is bad.

      Oh well. Best not to worry :).

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    73. Re:Get up and walk. by Eccles · · Score: 1

      in the second you indicate that you believe carbs to be less readily digested than fat and protein.

      I said nothing about digestion, I said "handled." Specifically, I meant that carbohydrate-rich food may not make you feel full like protein and fats do.

      I would think being less readily digested would be a good thing for keeping a food from adding to your body fat, not vice-versa.

      --
      Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
    74. Re:Get up and walk. by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      I've been dealing with gout since I was about 22 (I'm 36 now), and I'll agree that it's absolutely no fun at all. I've had it in just about every joint I can, and I'd agree with the advice to drink as much water as you possibly can, load up on the cherry extract, and stay the hell away from peanuts and other high-purine foods. Allopurinol does a pretty good job of keeping it at bay, but if you're in the middle of an attack, it'll just make it worse.

      Colchicine is kinda cool for acute attacks, as it tends to knock the pain down fairly quickly, but being a metabolic poison it tends to make you puke your guts out after a while. I think the worst attack I ever had kept me sidelined for about two weeks, and during that time I was never so thankful to have a job where I could work at home. :-)

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    75. Re:Get up and walk. by dfries · · Score: 1
      What was the common form of heart disease before 1910? Or did they just start cutting people open to see what really killed them?

      My grandmother had a heart attack and she was blaming the unhealthy food she ate as a kid. Less sweets, but much more cream and the like.

    76. Re:Get up and walk. by rusty0101 · · Score: 1

      First of all, set some goals, and interim goals.

      One of my journal entries reflects my own experience up to a year ago. I will need to update it one of these days.

      Walking was a big part of my own success. There are other parts as well.

      My only serious recomendation to do, outside of what I did, is talk your plans through with your doctor.

      Additionally work with your doctor to find realistic goals. If you have crossed the age of 30 and are over weight or otherwise out of shape, you will have a harder time getting back into shape than if you start at 20 and have a plan you can live with to stay in shape. Even more so if you are over 40. Of course you could use that statement as a challenge to rise to. Your choice.

      -Rusty

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    77. Re:Get up and walk. by altstadt · · Score: 1

      Let's talk about evolution now.

      The human species developed from mammals over several million years. During almost all of that time, grains were those things that birds (the ex-dinosaurs) ate.

      About 15,000 years ago, people discovered grains and agriculture. People stopped moving about so much and started down the slippery slope to the sedentary lifestyle we have now.

      Simply put, we did not evolve eating grains, so what makes anybody think that they are suddenly a magic food source? And don't get me started on adult humans drinking milk, a perversion facilitated by a spontaneous gene mutation that has been traced back to Scandanavian countries far more recently than the birth of agriculture.

      <rant>The food pyramid is a myth, created by the big farming businesses during the last century. The pyramid coincides with the actual food production in much the same way that some of the FDA recommended vitamin allowances were computed simply by dividing the vitamin production by the population of the US.</rant>

      Or so rumor has it.

    78. Re:Get up and walk. by crazyphilman · · Score: 1

      Yeah, this was my first attack, and boy, what a surprise. I woke up and it was like, who pounded hot nails through my foot??? I'm trying to deal with it via diet, going totally vegetarian and avoiding purines, drinking lots of water, etc. I hope it works.

      --
      Farewell! It's been a fine buncha years!
    79. Re:Get up and walk. by crazyphilman · · Score: 1

      An A/C said: "800 out of 100,000
      isn't that like 8 out of a 1000, or did the statistic not look scary enough unless you multiplied it by 100"

      Um, NO. The actual statistic, and I looked it up again, was 850/100,000. I have no idea why they used 100,000. It's not my statistic.

      I just read 'em folks, I don't write 'em!

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    80. Re:Get up and walk. by lamontg · · Score: 1
      I find the carbohydrates vs. fats arguments silly. It's all about calories. It's simple: If you take in more than you burn per day, no matter what the source, you gain weight.

      Sorry to disagree, but I've been doing a low-glycemic diet for the past 6 months and haven't found this to be true. For the diet that I'm on I try to stick to a low-fat, low-glycemic, low-calorie diet in order to lose weight. I've found that I can occasionally gorge on high-fat high calorie foods like hot dogs and steak and while I stop losing weight I don't tend to gain weight. The problem that I have which causes me to gain a few more pounds is when I start cheating on the white bread. Then I usually put a few pounds back on and find myself feeling "addicted to carbs" and have to go through withdrawal again and get back on track to losing weight.

      I believe the biochemical mechanism behind this might be that the problem is insulin levels. For example, there have been studies that rats don't gain weight when whey they have the insulin receptors on their fat cells mutated so that insulin won't bind to them. Similarly I find that I gain weight when my insulin levels are high and not simply when my calorie intake is high.

    81. Re:Get up and walk. by lamontg · · Score: 1
      Except for the fact that the "Insulin" thinking is false. See this article:

      http://venus.nildram.co.uk/veganmc/insulin.htm

      I don't think this did anything to debunk the "insulin thinking". In fact this data might explain why I had more success losing weight when I was eating apples than when I've been eating grapes. I hope the authors publish more data on more foods for this index.

    82. Re:Get up and walk. by komissar · · Score: 1

      right you are! i've had gout since i was 37. that and a heart condition and i'm pretty much vegetarian as well. what ticks me off is my dad eats bacon, eggs, greasy potatoes and buttered bread every day of his life, and he's just fine at 65. i think the difference is that his blood type is O+ and i'm A+. every one i know with early onset cardiovascular disease is A+. hmmm...

    83. Re:Get up and walk. by jshare · · Score: 1
      I said nothing about digestion, I said "handled." Specifically, I meant that carbohydrate-rich food may not make you feel full like protein and fats do.

      Ok. I don't agree with the "feel full" part of your beliefs (since it is clear from various sources that the Atkins diet is in fact based on metabolism, and not on a subjective sensation of fullness), but it does seem that the "evolutional suitability" of carbs as food would lead to problems (e.g. obesity) when they are overly indulged in. So, in that sense, I do agree that carbs may not be "handled" as well as fats and proteins. (And indeed, if one is to believe the Atkins-provided information, they aren't handled as well.)

      I would think being less readily digested would be a good thing for keeping a food from adding to your body fat, not vice-versa.

      Quite so, my mistake. I believe I was thinking more along the lines above, and misspoke (misposted?).

    84. Re:Get up and walk. by Illserve · · Score: 1

      I give you the poster child of psychosomatism.

      It's all in your head man.

    85. Re:Get up and walk. by Niet3sche · · Score: 1

      Pfft. I had gout at 22. And it sucked. When the medical text says, "excruciating pain", they're not kidding. Cause? Modified (ultra-low carbs & calories) Atkins. It's my own damn fault for eating 600 calories per day at 3g carbs ... but, hey, it was fun while it lasted. And working out for 3 hours a day was good for me. I then went on to break my tailbone and put on 30# from being bedridden and then unable to walk or run or do things that I'd always done. Meh.

    86. Re:Get up and walk. by richi · · Score: 1

      That article proves nothing of the sort. It shows a strong correlation between GI and IR. The biggest anomolies are where the GI is high and the IR is *higher*

      r.

    87. Re:Get up and walk. by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Good luck and here's hoping it at least won't get any worse for you. If this was your first attack, you probably won't see another one for at least a year, maybe two, but it never hurts to have that healthy diet anyway. :-)

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    88. Re:Get up and walk. by orblee · · Score: 1
      See many thin diabetics?

      When I look in a mirror (although, thankfully, I'm not as thin as I was). I'm Type I diabetic. I don't know about insulin telling your body to create more fat from the sugar in your blood, but I know that when I was injecting myself with more insulin, I was generally thinner (although more likely to drop my blood sugars to obscenely low levels).

      Also, starch isn't just loads of sugar waiting to be released quickly. Glucuse and sucrose are the sugars that are waiting to be released quickly. Sugar is sugar, yes (which is why, incidentally, we use calories to measure our energy intake), but starches break down slowly. they break down in your mouth, your stomach, and your duodenum in your small intestine before being absorbed. If you have high (soluble) fibre in your diet too, this rate is reduced even more.

      As everyone says, take in less than you use. Lots of soluble fibre and water fills you up (and helps guarantee that the carbohydrate you do eat is released slowly throughout the day).

      I had to start snacking to put on weight. I am 5'6'' and weighed 9.5 stone. I'm now going over 11 stone so I want to start being careful again, but I know I can do it. No snacks, lots of fibre and long-chain carbohydrates (starches)in my meals.

    89. Re:Get up and walk. by Gunzour · · Score: 1

      Average life span 100 years ago was lower because of a much higher incidence of infant mortality and death from various infections.

      However, even 100 years ago, it was fairly common for healthy people to live past 80 or 90 or even 100, just as it is today. While the life expentancy curve has shifted, the top end of the curve has pretty much stayed put. We've made a lot of progress in the past 100 years in preventing early death, but we haven't really improved longevity.

    90. Re:Get up and walk. by Chacham · · Score: 1

      (This is from what i've read over the years. Whther its true or not is anyones guess.)

      Total calories is one way of doing it, and it works well. Going all carb or all fat is to add to it.

      All fat lets you eat all you want. Someone else mentioned the sugar issue. Of course, there's the protien issue as well, in that the body doesn't seem to hold onto extra protien, and takes other stuff with it.

      As for high carbohydrate diets, they work well too, but total calories must be counted. The advantages are:

      Carbohydrates give a feeling of satiation, so you eat less and feel better.
      Carbohydrates makes one feel full even the next day.
      Carbohydrates cannot be stored, they must be converted to fat. That conversion has about a 25% cost, so, for every extra 100 calories of carbohydrates, only 75 are stored.
      The body only stores about 800 "extra" calories of carbohydrates a day.

      Anyway. If someone doesn't want to count calories, carbohydrates have value is that one feels full faster. One complaint i've heard about Atkins is the the user never feels full.

    91. Re:Get up and walk. by batkins · · Score: 1

      i AM atkins!

    92. Re:Get up and walk. by ralphclark · · Score: 1

      > A little belly hanging out over the pants can be sexy.

      Yeah, providing that: (i) it's not excessive or out of proportion, and (ii) it isn't hairy.

      There are far too many girls walking around London wearing hipster jeans and short tops, exposing great hairy rolls of flab that just make you want to upchuck your lunch. I mean, yes let's not get over-obsessed about body shape; but on the other hand, ladies, if your belly looks like it belongs to a middle aged beer drinking lorry driver, a little modesty wouldn't go amiss.

    93. Re:Get up and walk. by Zeio · · Score: 1
      What about the median and mode? Classical statistical problem with "average" is illustrated as such:
      Among the 57 million people in Britain there are probably 5,000 people who have only one leg. Therefore the average number of legs is:
      ((5000 * 1) + (56,995,000 * 2)) / 57,000,000 = 1.9999123
      and all the people with two legs have more than the average number!
      I think its safe to safe more people are living longer than ever before. I don't think this is solely based on less people dying at infancy or through accidents. I think the percent of the population at a certain age is leaning towards the aged, especially in the western world. I know, for example, that 3 out 4 of my grandparents would have already died if it weren't for the medical advanced made available in the last 10-15 years.
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  5. You could.... by gorjusborg · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Go home and exercise?

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    1. Re:You could.... by malia8888 · · Score: 1
      Yep, I agree with "gorjusborg the redundant"....working 10 hours a day leaves 14 hours for exercise/sleep/TV/pizza gathering.

      Join a gym. Have your Mom yell down the basement stairs at 6 am for you to wake up. Get out of bed and get thyself to the gym--not just any gym--a co-ed gym.

      There is nothing like the sight of a few 20 year olds in spandex to make a man hold in his beer belly. This isometric stomach exercise should be enough to eliminate the fat problem. Moving around and using some of the equipment might help as well..

      This morning regimen still leaves plenty of time for you to arrive late at work (as usual) and start reading emails from friends and Slashdot articles;)

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      Harpo Tunnel Syndrome--my wrist feels funny.
    2. Re:You could.... by dthable · · Score: 1

      working 10 hours a day leaves 14 hours for exercise/sleep/TV/pizza gathering.

      Subtract 8 hours for sleep and 30 minutes for working out and you still have 5.5 hours to read /. at home. It's not all that difficult.

      There is nothing like the sight of a few 20 year olds in spandex to make a man hold in his beer belly.

      Amen!

  6. You need an AirStepper by microbob · · Score: 1
  7. I personally prefer.... by 222 · · Score: 0

    instigating a full scale, all office FLOPPY DISK WAR!

  8. Exercise bike built into executive chair by elviscious · · Score: 1

    I wish I could remember the website that I found this on because I wanted to buy one... but it was an exercise bike that was built into a nice leather chair.

    Probably loud as hell, but my knees ache a lot from the heat here so I'd love anything that I could use like that to stretch them out.

    1. Re:Exercise bike built into executive chair by Resseguie · · Score: 1
      I haven't seen the chair/bike you mentioned, but I have seen something similar (and probably cheaper).

      How about something like this or this?

      I actually tried these out at the local Brookstone. I found that the pedals kept scooting away from me, but that could be easily fixed...

      I'm sure other companies offer something similar and cheaper than Brookstone. (I just happened to have seen them this last week and knew I could find a good link.)

  9. The Office? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    What would most slashdot readers know about an office?

    I think the question should be , "How to get back in shape while working in my parents basement"

  10. I go to the gym during lunch... by gatkinso · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...there are some super hot chicks there, it breaks up the day, and I get a moderate workout in. I only stay for about 45 minutes, but I guess it is better than nothing.

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    1. Re:I go to the gym during lunch... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Soo lessee.. about 5 minutes per hot chick, that's 9 women!! Whew you must be absolutely pooped after your lunchbreak.

    2. Re:I go to the gym during lunch... by JThaddeus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Amen! If there is no gym close by, get up early and work out in the morning. Get some dumbbells and do a 15 minute routine. Mix this up with mornings of situps and pushups. Follow that with a jog. Work up to 2-3 miles a day. No records here--take it easy. In the Army they call it the airborne shuffle: 8.5-9 minute miles. Even us older guys can handle that. If you don't like running or think winters are too cold, buy a Nordic Track. They take some getting used to but are great! At a modest pace, twenty minutes on one burns 200+ calories. You can even read while you do it. And don't forget to stretch before and after a workout.

      Make up the lost time by cutting back on evening TV and eating lunch at your desk. Supermarket salad bars provide quick, easy, healthly lunches.

      Above all, don't go thinking you're too valuable or too busy to take some time away from your desk. The first week or so will be hard but you'll end up being fresher and brighther for staying in shape.

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      "Love is a familiar; Love is a devil: there is no evil angel but Love." --William Shakespeare ('Love's Labors Lost')
    3. Re:I go to the gym during lunch... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd join a gym like that!

    4. Re:I go to the gym during lunch... by MarcoAtWork · · Score: 1

      anybody else read this as 'I only stare for about 45 minutes'? I mean, with all those eye movements (up, down, up, down) you sure must burn quite some calories :)

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      -- the cake is a lie
    5. Re:I go to the gym during lunch... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do the same, but I usually get in to work about a half hour earlier so I can take around 1 1/2 hours total for lunch. That way I can get in a good 20-25 mins of cardio as well as weights.
      Then on the way back I get a salad or something light and eat it at my desk.
      Lunch time is usually pretty busy at the gym, but it's also the best time to go. There's more to motivate you on those days when you're feeling lazy :-)

    6. Re:I go to the gym during lunch... by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Going to the gym during lunch is great advice. You can get in an effective weight/cardio workout in 45 minutes by lifting weights with less time between sets. Currently I'm doing a 4 days/week split weight plan, then jog on Wed(if I need to kill some energy) and one of the days of the weekend.

    7. Re:I go to the gym during lunch... by MagPulse · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do you shower and bring a change of clothes afterwards? I couldn't go back to work in the afternoon after being in a gym for 45 minutes.

      I also couldn't spend the time to take two showers a day and do laundry twice as often, so I always exercise first thing in the morning. Then I walk the dog in the early afternoon. Some day when I work at a large company again I'll go back to walking around the building or park if they have one after lunch.

    8. Re:I go to the gym during lunch... by Cranx · · Score: 1

      Personally, I can only work out in the evening. If I workout in the morning or at lunch, for the rest of the day I carry a bit of a "buzz" that makes my vision a little fuzzy and my thinking a little too bohemian. It's great for off-days, but on programming days it's like professional suicide.

      Swimming, jogging and tennis are good evening workouts for during the week. Give yourself at least one really good workout on the weekend like hiking or surfing.

    9. Re:I go to the gym during lunch... by e40 · · Score: 1
      Personally, I can only work out in the evening. If I workout in the morning or at lunch, for the rest of the day I carry a bit of a "buzz" that makes my vision a little fuzzy and my thinking a little too bohemian. It's great for off-days, but on programming days it's like professional suicide.
      Word up. Having a donut before noon does the same thing to me, coicidentally. So, I do my gym and donuts after lunch...
    10. Re:I go to the gym during lunch... by gatkinso · · Score: 1

      Sweaty clothes go into a gym bag, a quick shower.

      I fold my work clothes and put them into the gym bag while I work out and wear them afterward - they don't get too wrinkled - but that really isn't an issue where I work anyway: it is a knit shirt, khaki type of place. No ties or that sort of thing.

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    11. Re:I go to the gym during lunch... by gatkinso · · Score: 1

      Actually on M/W/F I swim 2 miles, on T/R I do free weights (chest and arms), maybe a sesion on the rowing machine.

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    12. Re:I go to the gym during lunch... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It costs £5000 per month though ;(

    13. Re:I go to the gym during lunch... by MarcoAtWork · · Score: 1

      hey, I was just kidding around, maybe I should've added a few more smileys? :)

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      -- the cake is a lie
    14. Re:I go to the gym during lunch... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If I workout in the morning or at lunch, for the rest of the day I carry a bit of a "buzz" that makes my vision a little fuzzy and my thinking a little too bohemian.


      You may wish to consult a cardiologist...
    15. Re:I go to the gym during lunch... by nine4mortal · · Score: 1
      ...there are some super hot chicks there

      Damn Straight! Nothing is better inspiration for working out than the chicks you will see there. (My chosen method is swimming, by the way. Workout bikinis are very inspiring.)

      Seriously though, you just have to make time. I was inspired by a religious friend of mine who always makes it to mass on Sunday. It does not matter if there is a party, trip, or other activity, she finds time for mass. Although I am an atheist, I have decided exercise is important and made a similar rule about working out.

      I do my specified workout three times a week. (Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday work nicely for me. I try to go Friday if there is time.) Workout is from 6:30 pm to 8:00 pm, no matter what. It does not matter if I am busy. If I have to come back afterwards to finish work I do so. (I routinely work a 10 or 12-hour day.) If I am invited to a party, I say I can't make it or that I will be late.

      If there is something that simply cannot be moved (and this happens rarely), then I make up that workout one of the off days. (This is actually somewhat like when my friend attends Saturday mass.)

      It's funny, at this point, working out is like brushing my teeth. It's just something I do without thinking about it.

      Did I mention the workout bikinis? :)

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    16. Re:I go to the gym during lunch... by gatkinso · · Score: 1

      Me too - smileys seem to be the text equivalent of tone of voice.

      That info (voice tone) is completely lost in a text exchange - perhaps this would be a good Slashdot article.

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      I am very small, utmostly microscopic.
  11. drink water! by Comsn · · Score: 5, Informative

    if you drink pop all day, all of the sugar accumulates. try drinking water instead. you should lose a couple pounds after a week or two.

    1. Re:drink water! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >if you drink pop all day, all of the sugar accumulates. try drinking water instead. you should lose a couple pounds after a week or two.

      It might not be that at all however. Personally I only drink water (and some milk, at home) - no coffee, pop, etc - just water. And I'm in about the same shape as that guy.

      It all began when I started working, and bought my car... oh shit, I haven't biked in about 6 years. Yep, that's the only thing that kept me "in shape" (or so to speak)

    2. Re:drink water! by Toasty981 · · Score: 0

      I'll second that. Don't do it only at work, though, as most people don't drink enough water period. Feeling hungry is oftentimes your body just wanting water. Drinking a big glass will often supress that feeling. (Still eat a healthy amount though, of course)

    3. Re:drink water! by Zirnike · · Score: 2, Funny
      ""in shape" (or so to speak)"

      I'm in shape. Round is a shape.

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    4. Re:drink water! by MyPantsAreOnFire! · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is a perfect way to start. There are two ways to reduce your un-healthiness: 1. Excercise 2. Eat well. Because of your long hours and potential lack of motivation, exercise may not be possible for you. So, change your diet!

      1. Soda/Pop is terrible. It's like drinking liquid sugarcane that transforms into belly fat almost instantly (when you don't exercise.) If you can't live without caffiene, they have caffienated water available.

      2. Watch what you snack on. I know that when I code, I get cravings to buy every candy bar in the store across the street and eat it. One way I get around this is drinking TONS of water -- if your stomach is full of water, you won't want to snack.

      3. Bring a semi-healthy lunch to work. Don't go out to eat with everyone else when they do a mass exodus to {Wendy's, McDonalds, Burger King, Taco Bell, etc.}. Even if your lunch is bringing a frozen microwave burrito from home, it's still 100 times better than eating a double-double from In and Out.

      4. Switch to Light beer (Ugh). Yes, I know, it sucks, but it will save you in the long run in two ways: 1. light beer has half of the calories of regular beer, and 2. usually light beers are domestics, so they tend to cost less at bars and the store than pricey (yet oh so tasty) imported beers.

      5. Exercise. What I've found personally is that you can eat buckets of crisco all day but if you run marathons when you get home, you'll burn all that fat off. If you really want to eat and drink whatever you want, go home and run around the block.

      Hope this helps. Good luck!

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    5. Re:drink water! by Azghoul · · Score: 1

      Light beer?!?! Jesus Christ man!

      Drink stouts. They generally have fewer calories, or so I've heard. (disclaimer: Like Pierre Salinger before me, I heard it online, so it must be true)

      Guiness (good)
      O'Hara's (good)
      Murphy's (best, bar none)

      You can usually find some good oatmeal stouts at your local wacko health food store. :)

      For for the gods' sake, don't drink light beer... man... yuck...

    6. Re:drink water! by mahler3 · · Score: 3, Informative
      if you drink pop all day, all of the sugar accumulates. try drinking water instead.

      Water is good. Diet soda is good-- or at least neutral. Non-diet soda is bad. Why?

      Four words: High Fructose Corn Syrup. Most sweetened drinks (and many food items, from catsup to yogurt) are actually sweetened with HFCS rather than regular sugar. This is what makes you fat. Read the label first. Then drink water instead.

      Yes, I know; the poster didn't mention soda; I'm assuming that the beer tap isn't actually available at his workplace. Hint to rhuntley12: There's a reason why it's called a "beer gut."

    7. Re:drink water! by MyPantsAreOnFire! · · Score: 1

      Well, guiness has 155 calories per 12 oz, whereas coors light has 100 calories, and michelob light has 135. Granted, I agree that I would rather stab my own eyes out with rusty nails than drink coors light, but if you're looking to lose weight, you have to cut the excesses where you can.

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    8. Re:drink water! by monkey23 · · Score: 1
      ... it's still 100 times better than eating a double-double from In and Out.

      Blasphemer!

      besides, you can order a Protein Burger from In-N-Out and they'll wrap it in lettuce instead of bun...

      Don't forsake the almighty double double. When I left California, it was one of the few things that I hated to leave behind.

    9. Re:drink water! by FreeUser · · Score: 2, Informative

      I used to be 50 pounds heavier, and can attest than switching from pop to water (or at least to sugar free pop) will get you 2 or 3 pounds.

      Cut potato chips out of your diet and you'll drop another 5-10 pounds.

      Go on the Atkins diet, and you'll dump a huge amount of weight in a short time (I dropped 40 pounds with absolutely no effort whatsoever). Be advised that once you go off the diet you will spike back up ... however, if you keep your carb count under control (without being fascist about it) and eat like you're 40 pounds lighter (i.e. decrease the quantity you consume modestly) you will only spike a few pounds (~5 lbs or so) and then stabilize.

      All of this works with no other lifestyle changes, no workout regimes, no uncomfortable sweating at the gym or smashing your joints jogging along the smog-congested streats of your city.

      Which of course means you don't lose any time available for hacking out new code, surfing pr0n, doing machinima or blender applications, writing, or what have you.

      (Of course, that means you have just as much time to work, as well).

      I detest sports and am not overly fond of any form of uncomfortable work out. Luckily working out isn't a requirement for good health or fitness ... if you walk a few miles a day (I do: to and from work) and eat right you can be reasonably fit with no discomfort and no submission to the Jock Ueber Alles (tm) mentality of western culture in the form of glorified, pay-to-torment-yourself 'fitness' clubs.

      Unless of course spandex is your fetish, in which case the multi-hundred dollar membership to your local fitness club or spa may be worth it to you.

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    10. Re:drink water! by aastanna · · Score: 1
      4. Switch to Light beer (Ugh).
      How about just drinking half as much of something that isn't the suck.
    11. Re:drink water! by MyPantsAreOnFire! · · Score: 1

      I'm quite partial to the "animal style" burgers myself -- grilled onions are the way to go. Personally, I eat at In and Out at least once a week, but then again, I also excersize every day.

      Now, if they would only expand into other states -- Imagine how well an In and Out would do on the las vegas strip.

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    12. Re:drink water! by Antisthenes · · Score: 1

      "Round" ain't just any old shape; the sphere is the height of geometric perfection. (But you don't have to take my word for it, go read the ancients.)

    13. Re:drink water! by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Funny
      Switch to Light beer (Ugh).

      Why not just slit your wrists and be done with it?

      Seriously, you can't get around the laws of thermodynamics. If you're putting on the pounds, it's because there's more energy going in than going out.

      That's why I invented the Chocolate Chip diet. Bought 4-5 bags of Chunky Chololate Chip cookies twice a week, me and my dog would just sit there and eat 1, 2, sometimes three bags at a sitting.

      So, how does this make you lose weight? Remember how your parents would tell you not to eat junk because it would spoil your supper? It works. Eating healthy still leaves you craving for a junk-food fix. Eating junk fills you up. After several months of this, not only did I not want to see another chocolate chip cookie, but I had also lost about 20 pounds. At that point, it was a pleasure to start eating regular-type meals, and the weight has stayed off (been about 2 years now, and I've gotten rid of another 30 pounds w/o dieting).Problem now is that I don't seem to be able to put any weight back on (metabolism sped up as a consequence of being lighter).

      And, yes, you can have beer.

      The only exercise I get is walking my dogs. Mind you, I bring them to the office, so when I get jammed on code, I can take a hike :-)

      Eat a big breakfast, a small lunch, and junk out at night to take care of the cravings and you should be okay.

    14. Re:drink water! by Urox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      diet soda is bad. Please see previous slashdot discussions as to why.

      Summary: nutrasweet eats holes in your head. It can cause you to become sensitive to it and get severe debilitating migranes as well. I have direct experience as well as many other people I know.

      I had to quit the nutrasweet because of how it was messing up my body (used to drink lots and lots of diet soda) and now only drink one can of regular soda a day if I have a soda craving.

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    15. Re:drink water! by Soothh · · Score: 1

      Drinking water is one of the best things, but you wont be healthy unless you workout, AND eat healthy food. Think about it like this, your cells are constantly dieing and rebuilding, if you eat junk your body can only build junk, if you eat good food
      your body has all the good raw materials for building healty cells. If you dont workout, your heart and lungs are getting weak, among everything else. The discomfort of working out doesnt last long, and you will eventually get to the point where you really feel bad if you miss a workout.

      sure walking is good for you, but if you arent pushing yourself, reaching higher, you hit a plateu. I personally like going to the gym (rather than working out at home), but you dont have to, and you can spend just a very small amount of money on some dumbbells and get everything you need (curls, press, db squats, walking lunges, shoulder press, for back db pullovers) everything you need. I personally use the bodyforlife plan, i do cardio 20 short minutes 3 days a week, weights 3 days a week for only 45 minutes. whats that just over 3 hours a week i workout? not very much and I have had great results. (I also get to eat 6 times a day! wooohoooo)
      BTW, there are many college studies showing the ill side effects of long term atkin diet use, just google them. All the pro's I have seen have no scientific backups, all the cons do.

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    16. Re:drink water! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are already in Nevada. Arizona as well.

      http://www.in-n-out.com/

    17. Re:drink water! by gid-goo · · Score: 1

      Murphy's? MURPHY'S? My friend, please reconsider. Guinness is second to no stout. Although, I'd rather drink a nice Pin Tail from Bridgeport in Portland.

    18. Re:drink water! by oilisgood · · Score: 1

      While I agree with most of the things you said; pop, beer, exercise...

      I have to disagree with this statement...

      it's still 100 times better than eating a double-double from In and Out.

      Being stuck out on the east coast, nothing could possibly be even 2 times better than a double-double from In and Out, much less 100 times!

    19. Re:drink water! by uhhhhhhh · · Score: 1

      hmmmmm double double. It must be two years or more since I had a burger from in-n-out.

    20. Re:drink water! by mydn · · Score: 1

      Why do they need an In-n-Out? There's already a FatBurger!! :)

    21. Re:drink water! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4. Switch to Light beer (Ugh). Yes, I know, it sucks, but it will save you in the long run in two ways: 1. light beer has half of the calories of regular beer, and 2. usually light beers are domestics, so they tend to cost less at bars and the store than pricey (yet oh so tasty) imported beers.

      But you will drink 3 light beers to every 1 real beer. See soda argument...I suppose there is an advantage to drinking lite beers - they help loosen the bowels. I hate this arguemnt. Drink a Guiness, it has surprisingly few calories, and you won't be lame.

    22. Re:drink water! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is an In-N-Out on the strip. Well, a block away from it

    23. Re:drink water! by Quixadhal · · Score: 1
      Switch to Light beer (Ugh). Why not just slit your wrists and be done with it?
      You can easily make your own light beer just like the big breweries do... empty half the bottle, refill with water, then add a bit of carbination back. If you don't want to waste tap water, you can always recycle the half you drank already.
    24. Re:drink water! by wpenner · · Score: 1

      1. Soda/Pop is terrible. It's like drinking liquid sugarcane that transforms into belly fat almost instantly (when you don't exercise.) If you can't live without caffiene, they have caffienated water available.

      The best drink any one can drink can be found at http://noborders.net/mate if even half of what they say about this drink it true you should be drinking it.

      --
      Damnit Jim - I'm a doctor not a bricklayer
    25. Re:drink water! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm getting in shape! The Shape I've chosen is a triangle!

    26. Re:drink water! by ipjohnson · · Score: 1

      I like amstel light .... 95 calories 5 carbs.

      best of all it taste like a real beer :)

    27. Re:drink water! by el-spectre · · Score: 1

      Regarding 1. , Diet Soda isn't terrible. I drink diet coke all day, and it has no calories.

      That said, it taste bad and destroys your teeth, but it has a little more caffeine than regular soda :)

      I'm a HUGE fan of Mountain Dew, but if I drank it like I drink diet coke (coupla litres a day), I'd be a HUGE fan, if you catch my meaning...

      Also, they make sugar free red bull, which is ok, and has 1/10 the calories of the fully leaded stuff.

      --
      "Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." - A.B.
    28. Re:drink water! by cens0r · · Score: 1

      I'd cut out the milk. There's really no reason to drink it. Other than the vitamen D, there isn't too much of a health value (brocolli is a better source of calcium) and if it's not skim milk it's way too high in saturated fat.

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    29. Re:drink water! by cens0r · · Score: 1

      But aspartame (nutra-sweet) is dangerous to a lot of people causing sever neurological effects. It gives me severe head-aches and causes my mother to loose conciousness. If it effects some people like that, I can't imagine it's too good for anyone. If you have to stick to a diet drink I'd suggest picking one sweetened with splenda.

      --
      Jack Valenti and Orrin Hatch will be first up against the wall when the revolution comes.
    30. Re:drink water! by cens0r · · Score: 1

      If you shop at a health food store you can find soda's that are sweetened with 100% cane sugar or beet sugar. If you live in texas you can usually find cane sugar dr. pepper if you know where to look. If you must have soda, I'd suggest one of those.

      --
      Jack Valenti and Orrin Hatch will be first up against the wall when the revolution comes.
    31. Re:drink water! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Switch to Light beer (Ugh). Yes, I know, it sucks, but it will save you in the long run in two ways: 1. light beer has half of the calories of regular beer, and 2. usually light beers are domestics, so they tend to cost less at bars and the store than pricey (yet oh so tasty) imported beers.
      Heck, it's way less calories and price to just pee in an old beer bottle and drink that. Same great taste too!
    32. Re:drink water! by z00z · · Score: 1
      I lost around 10 pounds just by replacing my dinner-time coke with water (from ~195 lbs to ~185 lbs). I combined this with weekly soccer and raquetball practices, and I'm down to ~180 lbs.

      The best part of this is that I can eat whatever I want (fast food has never been part of my diet to begin with)!

    33. Re:drink water! by iso · · Score: 1

      Another good reason to drink water is because many times when you think you're hungry all you really need is some hydration. Try it some time--next time you feel a little hungry at work, drink a tall glass of water. Odds are that 10-20 minutes later you won't be hungry anymore. This is an excellent way to avoid over-eating.

    34. Re:drink water! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your Grandma has a loose consciousness, I don't think it's due to Nutrasweet.

    35. Re:drink water! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Protein, do you speak it?

    36. Re:drink water! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are already In-n-Out Burgers in the Las Vegas area. Check out
      http://www.in-n-out.com/cgi-bin/inosearch.pl? categ ory=county&data_in=Clark

      Now if only they'd expand to the Clark County I live in... (in WA state)

    37. Re:drink water! by Azghoul · · Score: 1

      Well now, I will agree that Guinness is some pretty wonderful stuff. However, I must protest: The joy that is put upon mine countenance cannot be understated. Just the mere sight of a to-be-opened can of the draught brings a cheer to mine heart like none other.

      Uh, yeah. Also, Murphy's finishes much better than Guinness, and is much smoother throughout. :)

    38. Re:drink water! by mrv · · Score: 1

      I've heard this before, too, but haven't fully gotten
      into the habit yet.

      You drink more water in a day. Water is good for you.
      You don't get the sugars that you'd get in soda/pop or in fruit juices.
      Your body works more efficiently when it is properly
      hydrated.

      That, and if you drink more water in a day, you have
      to go to the bathroom more often. That'll get you
      up and out of your chair and walking around more often. It might be to the bathroom, but it's still you walking somewhere you wouldn't have gone otherwise.

      I was watching an Unwrapped! episode about sport foods/drinks
      the other day. Apparently researchers have found that
      you'll drink more fluids if you get a lightly-flavored
      water than if you drink plain bottled/tap water.
      And they also suggest drinking before and during
      exercise, not just after, to have more exercise
      stamina, and also because most people are constantly
      dehydrated and just don't know it.

      --
      -mrv
    39. Re:drink water! by monkey23 · · Score: 1
      Now if only they'd expand to the Clark County I live in... (in WA state)

      Weird... I don't remember writing this ( and as an anonymous coward, no less... )

    40. Re:drink water! by fendel · · Score: 1

      Nutrasweet doesn't bother me or anyone I know. But if you don't want the nutrasweet, switch to Diet Rite; it's sweetened with Splenda (sucralose) and acesulfame potassium.

  12. Proclub.com by Foofoobar · · Score: 0
    You can always get a job at the PRO Sports Club, Microsoft's exclusive gym and the largest one in North America :)

    Good luck getting them to move toward Linux though... Ive tried.

    --
    This is my sig. There are many like it but this one is mine.
    1. Re:Proclub.com by Saige · · Score: 1

      Oh-my-fucking-god. I saw this place, as when I was in Seattle to check out the area, I went there to watch a friend (who works at MS) play basketball on the league she was a part of.

      This place is enormous! I think there were more employees in that club then there are MEMBERS at the gym that I currently go to - but to be fair, I go to a small women's only gym that's tucked into a strip mall. But still! I think the women's locker room was bigger in size than the entire gym I go to - everything was an incredible size there.

      Indoor tennis courts - at least four of them (maybe more). The basketball area looked like it could easily have two games going on with full-size courts at the same time. Incredibly huge (and very comfortable) locker rooms - mens, womens, and a family locker room.

      I thought the Lifetime Fitness near me that looks to be in a warehouse-sized building was big. This place was much bigger yet.

      It's one more reason that I'm wanting to get a job at Microsoft... (down the list, but still!)

      --
      "You know your god is man-made when he hates all the same people you do."
    2. Re:Proclub.com by Abalamahalamatandra · · Score: 1

      It's one more reason that I'm wanting to get a job at Microsoft... (down the list, but still!)

      Who wants to hit 'im first?

    3. Re:Proclub.com by Foofoobar · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... you must have seen this prior to the expansion. They have 8 tennis courts, 3 swimming pools, 4 basketball courts, 8 squash courts 7 racquetball courts, a free weight room, 2 fitness rooms, several studios for ballet, yoga, pilates, and many other things and even a small theatre.

      Plus there are 4 hot tubs in each locker room, tanning beds, a salon, masseusses, a bistro, bar and restaurant. Then you hae to take into consideration the doctors offices and over 80 personal trainers. It's more like a 'health mall' than a gym.

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  13. run by AssFace · · Score: 5, Informative

    there is no secret to losing weight.

    you have to burn more calories than you take in.

    so either take in less calories (stop drinking all the beer) or burn more (run).

    I run in the mornings and am working my way back up to 70 miles a week.
    I'm in shape.

    funny how those go hand in hand.

    --

    There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
    1. Re:run by blahtree · · Score: 5, Informative

      A note for those wanting to take up running. Running can be pretty hard on the joints. You need to start slowly in order to not only build muscle strength, but to build the stregth of your connective tissues as well.

      You might consider the American Running Association's12 week Walk/Run program. It's a great way to get started.

      Plus, remember to stretch. You're setting yourself up for a world of pain if you don't.

    2. Re:run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Learn to type with one hand...
      http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/ keyboards /5e2b/
      and with the other lift weights!

    3. Re:run by TwistedGreen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly.

      And I find that, once you are in better shape, you tend to eat better. When I took up jogging and was running several miles per day, I could no longer stomach the less healthy foods I used to eat... I couldn't stand overly buttered popcorn, and candy just wasn't too appealing to me. I would rather eat vegetables or yogourts instead.

      In my experience, you can't really have exercise without a healthy diet.

    4. Re:run by pergamon · · Score: 1

      Damn. I usually barely *drive* 70 miles a week.

    5. Re:run by mausmalone · · Score: 5, Insightful
      there is no secret to losing weight.
      Well, there are a few secrets... but most have to do with learning to get into good habits. I think if you don't work out now, the prospect of running 70 miles a week is daunting enough to scare you away, so don't think you have to approach this thing immediately.

      First, cut out all soda (pop). Like another poster said, the sugar accumulates. I was in a similar dilema, cut out the soda, and I was down 10 pounds inside of a month without much exercise at all.

      Eat healthier. With every meal, you must have a vegetable. They are low-calorie, fill you up (so you eat less else), and they're good for your digestive system.

      Eat less. A simple rule, but hard to follow. Cut back on snacking first, then cut back on portions. No matter how well you're eating, seconds are out of the question.

      Avoid starches. Starches tend to trap fat and sugars in your stomach and prevent them from being properly digested. As such, you have to eat more to get the energy you need to keep going, and the extra gets converted to fat later. Basically, less breads, less potatoes, will do you good. Remember: beer is liquid bread.

      Any activity is better than no activity. If you're unhealthy, it can be hard to exercise because you don't have the stamina, and you probably have a lot more weight to move around. But still, if you get out every day and do some walking, you'll lose weight much more effectively. Also, DDR is a great solution for those of us addicted to video games. It may not be all that amazing of a workout (by workout standards) but remember that every little bit of exercise helps.

      Stick with it. Even if you don't meet your weight-loss goals, don't give up. Re-adjust your goals and keep trying. Gradually, you will get used to the smaller portions and exercise, which will make it easier to push yourself harder. Remember that you're not trying to lose a few pounds for a date or something... you're making a slow transition to a healthier lifestyle.

      That being said, I'm no weight loss guru... I'm a web-page designer. I sit on my bum all day typing, and I don't wanna be a gigantic fat-ass. I used to be about 300 lbs., but using the above methods, I've worked myself down to 250 in about 6 months. It's not a radical change, but it's been slow, steady progress. My situation was a lot like yours is. There are no secrets to weight loss, but there are some tricks you can use to make it a little easier. The secret isn't that you have to take in less calories, the secret is learning to do that every day.
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      I'd rather be flamed than ignored.
    6. Re:run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ruuning is good, no doubt about it. But the REAL fat-burnner is muscle. Here's the plan:
      1) Eat fewer calories (less bear, carbs, bad fat, sugar). It doesn't take much; don't 'diet'. Just change what you eat. Eat smaller meals, more often, made with better stuff.

      2) Some cardio is good. Run, bike, swim, but start easy. Do HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training). A few minuts of HIIT is more effective than a long haul at the same intensity, even if you're pushing it. HIIT is easy: just warm up, then push kind of hard, then slack off, then push really hard, then slack off. Mix it up, but always start with a warm up and end with a cool down.

      3) Build muscle. Muscle burns fat even when you're sitting on you duff at the desk, even when you're asleep. You don't have to make it difficult; just do some basics.

      A well-balanced approach, taylored to your specific needs and wants, is the only way to stay healthy, prevent that heart attack you're headed for, and live longer. Personally, I read lot's of stuff from Men's Health. Check out their web site.

      And don't thank me. Thank yourself when your able to please your lady longer, better, and without collapsing on her and suffocating her. She'll thank you, too.

    7. Re:run by MKalus · · Score: 1

      2) Some cardio is good. Run, bike, swim, but start easy. Do HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training). A few minuts of HIIT is more effective than a long haul at the same intensity, even if you're pushing it. HIIT is easy: just warm up, then push kind of hard, then slack off, then push really hard, then slack off. Mix it up, but always start with a warm up and end with a cool down.

      If you try to build a base you want to go long and slow in the lower spectrum of your Heart Rate.

      Intervals or HIIT as you put it are the icing on the cake, but the entire training like this only results in some explosive power (e.g. sprinter) but no long distance abilities.

      Of course it depends on what you want and I come definetly from the opposit spectrum (Triathlon, going long this year, half-Ironman and up).

      M.

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      If you want to e-mail me, use my PGP Key.
    8. Re:run by firewood · · Score: 2, Informative
      there is no secret to losing weight.

      you have to burn more calories than you take in.

      Yes, but there is a lot of medical evidence that the type of calories you consume strongly effect how efficiently your body burns them, and also somewhat your desire to consume more. Do a web search on the terms "glycemic index".

      There is also some evidence that most of the health benefits of exercise appears at fairly low levels of exercise (e.g. walking briskly), as long as done regularly. So even though running results in increased fitness levels, one has to trade this off with the increased risk of certain types of injuries.

      In one large office building where I used to work, I would routinely send my documents to a laser printer on the opposite side of the building (the fact I had to walk by the receptionists desk to get there was purely coincidental :).

    9. Re:run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't even cover my daily commute to/from work :-( (90 miles total)

    10. Re:run by tinrobot · · Score: 1

      Starches tend to trap fat and sugars in your stomach and prevent them from being properly digested.

      Starch doesn't trap sugar, it basically IS sugar. This is why low-carb diets tend to work, they control insulin spikes. Insulin aids in the creation of fat.

      Starches are simply empty calories.

    11. Re:run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Do a web search on the terms "glycemic index".

      Unfortunately glycemic index isn't as useful as it first appears. Tiny differences in foods can cause huge differences in glycemic index. So any food chart you make is nearly useless. You'd have to measure everything before you ate it to get an accurate index.

    12. Re:run by without · · Score: 2, Informative
      I'm an engineer. I just lost 20 pounds doing pretty much what AssFace said: burn more calories than you take in.

      One thing an engineer should really do, though, is take a scientific approach: measure and count. Subjective feelings are unreliable- you don't really know how hungry you are.

      Measure and count: to lose one pound of fat, you must burn 3500 calories. An average weight-maintenance diet is around 2000 calories/day (it depends on a lot of things and it's very personal- you should measure your own to figure out what it is). Measure all the food you eat- every crumb, every morsel. Measure your weight.

      For my diet, I decided to take in 1600 calories/day on weekdays and 1200/day on weekends (because it's too hard to think if I'm extremely hungry). Whatever amount I went over my "budget" I burned off in a measurable way: on a treadmill or elliptical crosstraining machine at a gym. I ended up eating the same on the weekends as on weekdays, but I spent an hour and a half on the treadmill. So what? On the weekends I have time.

      I can tell you the things I had to give up that I liked: soda and french fries. I didn't rule them out of my diet, but when it came time to do my daily budget, it was always two cans of soda or a ham sandwich, and I'm afraid I went for the ham sandwich. I ended up switching to diet soda, which tastes lousy, but it has no calories.

      Oddly, fast food restaurants were good for me, because they always post their nutrition information online. A ten-piece order of Chicken McNuggets was very convenient and 510 calories. (It's a little too fatty to be healthful, but it is very easy to eat, and I could eat less fatty things for other meals to have a good daily average). A medium cheesesteak sandwich is around 700 calories- a fine, fine lunch for my 1600 calories/day. My colleagues chuckled at my cheesesteak and chicken nugget diet, but they chuckled less when I was thin and they weren't. :-)

      As for low-fat diets: a good idea in general, but really, calories are king. Count them. Limit them. Don't cheat, even a little bit- what kind of scientist fudges his measurements?

      There's a ton of good information online. Things like: don't lose more than a pound or two a week, because you'll lose muscle instead of fat, and be sure that you get at least some exercise every day so your muscles don't atrophy. That's another thing a good scientist should do: research the subject.

      So my method isn't really office-related, but it's something geeks can relate to: if you want something real, you have to do it scientifically.

    13. Re:run by TimeZone · · Score: 1
      Yes, running can be bad on the joints, and can be pretty painful for the, uh, larger specimens of our species. I'm big, but not really big, and while I can tolerate running, it's by no means comfortable on my knees or ankles. I find inline skating to be a more comfortable, lower impact form of excercise. And I can keep it up longer too. If you do take up skating, please wear protection. (By which I mean helmet, wrist guards, kneepads, and elbow pads.)

      TimeZone

    14. Re:run by AssFace · · Score: 1

      I hope I didn't imply that 70 miles was somehow ideal. I used to run in college and I'm trying to compete again.

      there is no way anyone "needs" to run that much at all - you could run only a few miles a week and still burn a lot of calories that way.

      incidentally, slow running burns fat while you are doing it, but fast running builds more muscle which burns more calories while you are not running.

      I can go on and on about nutrition and weightlifting and running - but for the most part, I'm not sure anyone would read it.

      you are right to watch what you eat - especially simple sugars. and get the good fats - omega-3, 6, and 9 in the proper ratios.

      --

      There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
    15. Re:run by Psiren · · Score: 1

      Don't stretch cold muscles. This will only increase the likelihood of doing some damage. Warm your muscles up slightly first, then stretch.

    16. Re:run by sc00p18 · · Score: 1

      you have to burn more calories than you take in.

      Exactly. There's a bunch of good information and some methods to help you do this at this site: The Hacker's Diet. It was featured on slashdot previously, I believe.

    17. Re:run by Malc · · Score: 2, Informative

      Very good advice. I know from experience. I injured myself at the end of December running 10K in snow (very bad case of ITBS). I still had chronic pain in March. I've been physio ever since. I started running again in May with 3x 1km/wk, adding 500m per week since. I'm up 4x 2km a week, and it's slow progress. The physiotherapist has me doing all kinds of strengthening exercises to get my legs strong enough for real running (apparently my inner quad isn't strong enough to stabalise me knee properly), and lots of stretching too.

      Going slowly when starting out running can't be emphasised enough. Keep to the rule of 10s: only increase one of speed, distance or frequency by no more than 10% per week. Start of slowly, even if you feel like you can push harder and that this approach will take months to get anywhere useful. It does take months. I hope to be hitting 10km again by late November, iff my injury has healed and doesn't recurr. I'm not old either - I'm 28. I spent my early 20s cycling everywhere, include 5 miles each way to work (I didn't own a car). Then I spent 3 years sitting on my arse working from home. It's depressing how quickly and easily the body gets weak.

      Stretch *after* exercise every time. Get good shoes - NOT Nikes. Ask for advice on rec.running - lots of trolls, but lots of clued in people too. Check out Ozzie Gongang's rec.running FAQ.

    18. Re:run by Malc · · Score: 1

      Strewth: you should be cycling. I used to be 5 miles from work (50 mile commute / week). The ride would take me 15-25 minutes depending on how hard I pedalled. Driving wasn't much quicker with clear roads, and often slower in bad rush hours.

    19. Re:run by Vurcease · · Score: 1

      I've always hated running, I can't take the beating. I found in-line skating to be the way to go. Once you get the hang of it, it's smooth and easy on the joints, and an awesome cardio workout. Pace yourself for low or high impact. I sit in front of a computer all day, but skate 8 miles each morning. The skating is the only thing keeping me from another 30 pounds, no doubt.

    20. Re:run by xWeston · · Score: 1

      I agree with everything said above. I started doing this during my Junior year of High School (when i was 17) and at that time I weighed 275lbs. Now I am starting my Junior year of college and i am down to 160lbs.

      I went from 5'8"/275 to 6'0"/160 in a few years by changing my lifestyle and eating habits. I still dont exercise as much as I should, but a little is better than none at all.

    21. Re:run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, running is great for you, but how about those people that don't feel like dedicating an hour in the morning to running on purpose? What about the smokers, think about them! It's a flawed excercise if it condemns a certain segment of the population.

    22. Re:run by AssFace · · Score: 1

      If you want to be an efficient geek, you can check out fitday.com and they have a free database that lets you track your workouts and your caloric intake.

      I used it when I was weightlifting and got up to 220 lbs (at less than 10% bodyfat).
      In college I was a runner and I'm trying to get back into it, as a result, I'm purposely losing muscle (and fat) mass in order to raise my VO2 max more quickly.

      --

      There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
    23. Re:run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      70 miles a freaking week?!?!?! Dood that's insane!!!! Unless you are in training...and only trying to keep the weight off just eat less!!! burning cals creates free radicals...free radicals KILL YOU SLOWLY They are considered the leading cause of age death. It's simple the more cals you burn in a day the less time you have on the planet...and no anti-oxidents don't work it's been proven that the only way to prolong your life is to eat healthy AND LESS!!!! MY GOD MAN 70 miles a week 10 miles a day!?!?! Unless you are like 120lbs that's a shit load of cals....even if you are 120lbs a day that's a shit load of cals to burn a week.

      Eat less first...then go insane on the tread mill if you want to loose weight.

      And to put things in perspective...last year exactly one year ago I weighed in at 250lbs today I'm 168lbs and still dropping. About 48lbs of it dropped off from me JUST switching to diet soda and jogging 15 min every other day. The rest came off because I started to do atkins or rather CKD. My heart thanks me for it because even though to most people it looks like I'm eating pure shit I know that for me it's healthy simply because I'm burning the fat instead of storing it. 10-12X your bodyweight in cals is all you need to start loosing weight...exercise should be done to keep your cardio and muscles trimmed...and to even out the cals even more. Many many many many people that try to go on a diet limit their cals to much and that lowers their metabolism because their body thinks there is a famine...a year ago I was clueless...the first step to losing weight is knowing you have the will power to stick to it even after you've lost the weight...the second step is learning everything you can...the third step is easy....eat less and exercise more....

      but above all don't think for a second you're going to loose 50lbs in a month...because even if you do I'll bet you it will be back the next month. do it slow and learn along the way...do it right and it will stick.

      Good luck

    24. Re:run by AssFace · · Score: 1

      this is true. there are many other exercises that would work as a substitute and be easier on the joints. rowing, biking, and even yoga (but that is a factor of intensity and duration - the low end stuff is mainly just for flexibility).

      as for the smokers, the point of aerobic exercise is... well, I suppose lost on smokers. :)

      --

      There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
    25. Re:run by AssFace · · Score: 1

      I'm a competetive runner. Or rather, I was, and then I purposely lifted weights to get big, and now I am trying to get small again to compete in running again.

      In order to beat free radicals, one can do any number of things. the proper ratios of omega-3,6, and 9s are a start. then supplement with at least 200mg of ALA (alpha lipoic acid) a day. CLA doesn't curt either, but it is less for the free radicals.
      to some extent vitamin C as well.

      Or just add some fresh berries to your diet and you get a lot of that and save the supplement costs which are usually far more than fresh fruit.

      --

      There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
    26. Re:run by Abalamahalamatandra · · Score: 1

      Or you might want to consider an exercise that doesn't subject your joints to several G's of force at every step, like cycling.

      And if you really want to have a good time, try one of these - they're mail-order only, but check out local bike shops or their message board to see if you can arrange a test drive on one or something like it.

      I test-drove one, and though I'm married with kids and can't afford one right now, I can assure you I know where part of my tax refund is going next year.

      Cycling - try it out, you'll be glad you did.

    27. Re:run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it is is as simple as that, I started
      to work out last year mostly out of frustration,
      if you can keep up going to the gym or running 3
      times a week for 1 month, it becomes a "self-runner"
      (hehe) and you will want to go running, because your
      body tells you it needs the exercise. Oh yeah, and no fried food for the rest of your life, that helps
      like a vacation in Aethopia...

    28. Re:run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Running can be pretty hard on the joints.

      No lie. Especially for those us who are more than a few points over our target BMI.

      Try racewalking! Much lower impact on the joints, and more engaging, because there's technique involved, so you have to pay attention.

    29. Re:run by mausmalone · · Score: 1
      I hope I didn't imply that 70 miles was somehow ideal. I used to run in college and I'm trying to compete again.
      It didn't come across as though you were implying that 70 miles was ideal. It's quite impressive, actually. :) I was just trying to make a point that when you're out of shape, you tend to have a distorted sense of weight-loss goals. I would love to be in shape, and to be able to run 70 miles a week, but if I keep that in mind as "what it is to be in shape," then surely I'll get discouraged often while trying to get in shape.

      Basically, I wanted to point out that people who are out of shape read things like that and instinctively think "that sounds like a good goal" and then get disappointed when they don't reach it. Part of getting into shape and not going crazy is being able to set small, sensible goals. Don't aim to be healthy, but continually aim to be healthier.

      Climbing a mountain is a difficult goal, but one motivational technique is to just concentrate on progressing. Don't think of the summit... think of the point 20 yards ahead.
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    30. Re:run by mausmalone · · Score: 1

      At 6'0", 160 lbs. is quite healthy. Congratulations on your success. :) And any time you don't feel you exercise enough, play some DDR... it's fun & addicting!

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    31. Re:run by AssFace · · Score: 1

      in some really bad races - many runners just focus on the next step :)

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    32. Re:run by mausmalone · · Score: 1

      my mistake, though it's always nice to learn something new. :)

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    33. Re:run by schlyne · · Score: 1

      I can't stand running for exercise. Running also seriously kills my knees.

      I'd be interested in taking suggestions for more and/or different exercises that are low impact.

      I'm not really horribly out of shape, but I know I need to exercise more.

      Unforunately, due to a horse riding accident when I was younger, I go to a chiropractor once a month. I also managed to damage my knee in a downhill skiing accident a few years earlier, so anything that's rough on the knees I can't take for very long. Both of these have seriously affected the way I try to plan exercise now.
      (I don't ride anymore, and I don't live in a state where it snows.)

      At the moment, I've got pilates, and I've been told that swimming would work out well for me.

      Any other suggestions?

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  14. Make your body Open Source! by Lieutenant_Dan · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think it would benefit you not just physically, but also emotionally if you made your body available to the Open Source developer community. Their social integrity, hard work, and yoga expertise would enable to reach those goals you've had since Thanksgiving '96.

    It is vital that developers allow the Open Source developer community to dictate their diet, physical exercise regiment, and holistics. Their experience will allow to gain a physique similar to Atlas, Ferrigno, or a trim body like Woody Allen.

    Only when we realize the perverse writings of Suzanne Sommers are misguiding the children of our generation, can we free the stranglehold that Starbucks has on society.

    Which is nice.

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    1. Re:Make your body Open Source! by paranode · · Score: 1
      allow the Open Source developer community to dictate their diet, physical exercise regiment, and holistics.

      Ah but Mountain Dew and potato chips will get you nowhere!

    2. Re:Make your body Open Source! by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      But then SCO will claim to own parts of your anatomy. (Of course, they're already basically claiming that, so not much difference there.)

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    3. Re:Make your body Open Source! by isa-kuruption · · Score: 1

      And then get sued by SCO for copyright infringement? I think not!

    4. Re:Make your body Open Source! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I think it would benefit you not just physically, but also emotionally if you made your body available to the Open Source developer community.

      I wouldn't mind donating my body to Open Source, as long as I could stipulate that only attractive female developers get to work on it.

    5. Re:Make your body Open Source! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just be careful when you do this. The viral nature of the GPL is particularly problematic. Also, do not overlook the inherit loss of control you will have. For example, if you use a BSD license then anyone will be able to do anything to your body and you would have little recourse. Finally, The open source community often makes an effort to reduce bloat, but it is not always successful.

    6. Re:Make your body Open Source! by Kobalt · · Score: 0

      Or, just try this: http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/08/28/0wnz0 red/index.html

    7. Re:Make your body Open Source! by Kobalt · · Score: 0
      Better link:
      1. http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/08/28/0wn z0red/index.html
  15. Well by blitzoid · · Score: 4, Informative

    A simple thing you could do is go for a quick job during your lunch break. Of course it would be wise to change clothing, but a quick jog every day can do wonders for you. It's good excersize and you could probably fit it into your current schedule.

    And if it's a tech job, just move heavy computers around all day... it looks like real work!

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    1. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      go for a quick job during your lunch break

      Finally, the answer we can all get behind.

    2. Re:Well by mrpuffypants · · Score: 2, Funny

      A simple thing you could do is go for a quick job during your lunch break.

      The only job that I could do during my lunch break would be whoring myself out. Actually, that might burn quite a few calories, plus make you some $$ on the side. Good idea!

    3. Re:Well by mbourgon · · Score: 1

      The old network admin would do that - he'd run around downtown in jogging shorts. Did I mention he was an amazingly hairy individual? You'd be walking to lunch, and you'd see Sasquatch out of the corner of your eye. Gah!

      As for exercise - I've got the same problem (well, except for the beer). I've started doing pushups and situps. Only 10 or so at a time, but I've worked up to about 100 of each, per day. Other people take smoking breaks, I take fat breaks.

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    4. Re:Well by pascalb3 · · Score: 1

      After my afternoon siesta, I go for a run and workout. Scroll to the bottom of that page and there's a nice little Preparation section.

      I also suggest finding a sports league you're interested in and join up. I play in a lacrosse league once a week and a volleyball league once a week; just games, no practices. I hate the gym and workout like I did when I wrestled -- I find playing sports and doing the basics (push-ups, pull-ups, sit-ups, running, and swimming) more rewarding and less monotonous than lifting weights.

    5. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      go for a quick job during your lunch break

      blow job?

    6. Re:Well by ctr2sprt · · Score: 1

      Check for a gym near where you work. It gives you a place to run where you won't get hit by cars or rained on, and more importantly, you can take a quick shower there when you're done. 30 or 45 minutes of legitimate exercise a day will be enough to get you into pretty good shape, and if you cut down on your calories (less beer, less food) you will start losing weight too. Of course, every minute you exercise during your lunch hour is a minute you won't be eating, so it will help there too. You will also find that the exercise will help wake you up and keep you alert through the 7th-inning stretch of your workday. That was what I found at college, anyway, where I did my workout right before lunch (which I had late to avoid the crush). It served me well: I made it all the way through college without gaining beer weight, despite consuming truly heroic amounts of the stuff.

    7. Re:Well by Bigby · · Score: 2, Funny

      quick job during your lunch break

      I hope this is a typo. Otherwise, I think I'll pass ...

    8. Re:Well by cavemanf16 · · Score: 1

      " A simple thing you could do is go for a quick job during your lunch break."

      [queue bad British accent]

      Personally, when I'm on the job *thrusts*, I like to give my undercarriage a bit of a how's your father.

    9. Re:Well by deblau · · Score: 1
      A simple thing you could do is go for a quick job during your lunch break.

      Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick, I'm busy enough as it is.

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    10. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      A simple thing you could do is go for a quick job during your lunch break

      Does that mean give a job or get a job?

      I can't think of anything that would ruin my appetite more than sucking some guy's cock on my lunch break. Dieting genius!!

  16. Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just fidget lots - drum your fingers, tap your feet etc. Uses up 20% more calories than jsut sitting apparently. Also just cut out the fat in your diet etc, maybe go jogging before work.

  17. Drink a lot of coffee... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...and jitter uncontrollably. Burns a lot of calories.

    1. Re:Drink a lot of coffee... by lakmiseiru · · Score: 1

      Drinking a lot of coffee will also help you urinate more, which will decrease your body's water content (and thus your weight, at least temporarily). Pure, unadorned black coffee also contains no calories, which makes it "better" for you than beer. So if you drink coffee constantly, you might just lose some weight.

      Sounds like a quick trip to a caffeine overdose to me.

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    2. Re:Drink a lot of coffee... by Tyrdium · · Score: 1

      ... and get an arrhythmia...

    3. Re:Drink a lot of coffee... by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > So if you drink coffee constantly, you might just lose some weight.

      And if you drink tea (esp. green tea), it's more likely to help, as opposed to caffiene/coffee, which is more toxic. Plus tea comes in flavors other than sugar, charred, and charred-flavoured.

    4. Re:Drink a lot of coffee... by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 1
      as opposed to caffiene/coffee

      Just as a note: both green tea and black tea contain caffiene.

    5. Re:Drink a lot of coffee... by lakmiseiru · · Score: 1

      You'll get no argument from me on that score. I hate the taste of coffee (although I do love the smell). Tea is much more up my alley, as well as being better for you (as you said). Unfortunately, I'm willing to bet that the majority of office beverage drinkers are drinking coffee (although I could be wrong). Go tea!

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    6. Re:Drink a lot of coffee... by TimeZone · · Score: 1
      Caffeine tends to make me feel hungry, so I try not to drink it (stopped drinking coffee, drink decaf green tea every day instead). I'm assuming it's because caffeine is a diuretic (like you said), and when you're dehydrated, you feel hungry, even though all you really need is water.

      TimeZone

    7. Re:Drink a lot of coffee... by netrangerrr · · Score: 1

      I have a buddy who drank a lot of coffee and had a massive heart attack. When I asked him how much he drank he said, "About sixty cups a day (Five 12 cup pots) black - I was trying to lose weight"....

      Damn I thought - - Sixty cups a day and my heart would explode too!

      Needless to say, he didn't lose weight during his long hospital stay...

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  18. Gym by rf0 · · Score: 1

    How about at lunch times walk to the local gym and do something there?

    Rus

    1. Re:Gym by arloguthrie · · Score: 1

      Or just walk to a gym 12 miles away and walk back. You'll never have to even step foot in a gym.

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  19. 5BX seems to work for me by phoneboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I still have a ways to go, myself, but I can tell you it works.

    http://flwd.com/5bx/main/index.html

    11 minutes a day, can be done just about anywhere. I'd suggest cutting back on the beer a little, and anything else with carbohydrates in it.

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    1. Re:5BX seems to work for me by plaztkeyes · · Score: 1

      It takes 20 minutes to reach your target heart rate and maintain it long enough to actually burn calories. These 11 minute/5 minute/etc., ad nauseum workouts can't possibly reach that heartrate, as well as including proper stretching (muscle strains are no fun).

      A 20-25 minute brisk (keyword) walk will help to lose weight, as long as you cut out the heavy carb intake (beer). Eat sensibly, exercise 20 or more minutes a day, and you will eventually lose weight. It won't melt away in 48 hours (you're not an ice cube), but it will go away. My bike-riding buddy has lost almost 100 pounds in the past year and a half following this exact regimen.

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    2. Re:5BX seems to work for me by Zardoz44 · · Score: 1
      I concur. Someone mentioned this program in the last slashdot story about geeks and their weight (can't find it in the search though). Since I started doing this, I've actually felt a lot better.

      Additionally, it doesn't take much effort to join a sports team of some sort that forces you to run around once a week. Most large places of work will have their own teams in recreational leagues which are friendly to beginners.

    3. Re:5BX seems to work for me by phoneboy · · Score: 1

      I personally don't do the exercise to burn calories, I do it because it makes me feel better. Even when you do burn calories, it's usually not enough to make a difference, or you have to exercise for an extended period of time to get any benefit from calorie burn.

      If you want to burn calories, simply eat less than your body consumes.

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    4. Re:5BX seems to work for me by theedge318 · · Score: 1

      There always is confusion over the 20 minutes excercise. 20 minutes @ THR is to ensure Cardiovascular fitness ... and only needs to be done 3 times a week.

      To burn calories you don't need to get anywhere near THR, although the harder you walk/run/bike/swim the more calories you will burn per minute ... your body also continues to burn calories at an elevated level after you stop excercising. But for maximum calorie burning you should excercise daily.

      Also lifting weights does nothing for burning calories. A moderate effort in the gym burns 5 cal/min, whereas doing housework burns 6 cal/min and is actually productive.

      So do yourself a favor and take up biking/jogging/swimming where a moderate effort will burn at least 14 cal/min, and forget about those expensive gym memberships unless you want to "pump them up."

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    5. Re:5BX seems to work for me by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 1

      Weight training is important, even though by itself it does not burn an unusually large number of calories. Acquiring and maintaining muscle strength will increase your base metabolic rate and thus the number of calories you consume at rest. More importantly it will (if done properly, meaning in combination with aerobic exercise, stretching, proper diet, and adequate rest) greatly increase your ability to burn calories during periods of heavy activity.

      There is a lot of synergy between the different form of exercises. All together are far more effective than any of them alone.

    6. Re:5BX seems to work for me by echucker · · Score: 2, Informative

      One catch - the plan suggests involvement in one or two sports in addition to 5BX. Can't speak for the rest of slashdotters, but sports definitely aren't my thing.

    7. Re:5BX seems to work for me by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Is bowling a sport?
      =)

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    8. Re:5BX seems to work for me by phoneboy · · Score: 1

      It's probably good to be as physically active as you can manage. However, you'd be surprised just how much the 5BX with some small dietary changes will do you.

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  20. Don't be such a wimp! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares if the office crew stares?

    Just think how embarassed you will be when they stare as you keel over with a startled look on your face from a heart attack!

  21. Umm... by SunBug · · Score: 1

    How about drinking less beer, eating better, and exercising at home?

    You can also try simple things like parking in the furthest parking spot in the lot, drinking water instead of coke, and not having a big mac everyday for lunch.

  22. Smart exercise by batkid · · Score: 1

    All you need is a good schedule and a change of habits. Schedule a workout before work, or during lunch. Bike to work instead of driving. Use the stairs instead of the elevator. Instead of 10 beers a day, try 1 to 2 beers.

    Good luck

  23. How about absolutley no work by indole · · Score: 4, Funny
    Says he:
    Personally, I sit at a computer desk for 10 hours a day with very little actual work.
    I'll second that.
    (although clicking refresh to constantly reload slashdot feels workish.)

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    1. Re:How about absolutley no work by abe+ferlman · · Score: 1

      clicking refresh to constantly reload slashdot feels workish

      As Dilbert says:

      "Quick, get a picture while my forearm is still pumped!"

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    2. Re:How about absolutley no work by 222 · · Score: 1

      heh
      or you could have a script do it for you.

    3. Re:How about absolutley no work by tbmaddux · · Score: 1
      Personally, I sit at a computer desk for 10 hours a day with very little actual work.
      I generally come in at least fifteen minutes late. I use the side door, that way Lumbergh can't see me. Uh, and after that, I just sorta space out for about an hour... yeah. I just stare at my desk but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch too. I'd probably, say, in a given week, I probably do about fifteen minutes of real, actual work...

      Let me tell you about TPS reports, Bob...

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    4. Re:How about absolutley no work by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 1

      ...we think you should enter the management track. :^)

  24. My solution won't work for most of you, but... by _Sambo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I ride my mountain bike to work. I only live about 4 miles from work, which translates to a 15 minute ride to and from work. It's enough to keep me in pretty good shape.

    Oh wait, also give up beer.

    1. Re:My solution won't work for most of you, but... by ctr2sprt · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, for that svelte, thin you, I recommend vodka and heroin.

    2. Re:My solution won't work for most of you, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh wait, also give up beer.

      Move further away from work and you don't need to give up the beer. Ten miles works for me.

    3. Re:My solution won't work for most of you, but... by s20451 · · Score: 1

      Remeber Troy McClure from that self-improvement video, Smoke Yourself Thin?

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    4. Re:My solution won't work for most of you, but... by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Why bother moving? Just take a more circuitous route to work. After all, no one says you have to take the most direct route. Personally, I'm about a 5 minute ride from work. However, rather than riding straight there, I vary my route so that, typically, I'm doing about 20-30 minutes a day. AND, as you get better at a given distance, simply extend your route... 20-30 minutes for a month, then 30-40, etc, etc

    5. Re:My solution won't work for most of you, but... by RedX · · Score: 1

      I've always wondered what the "bike to work" crowd does when it's very hot outside. I'd imagine you work up a pretty good sweat biking 4 miles in 90+ degree heat. Some offices have showers, most don't.

    6. Re:My solution won't work for most of you, but... by _Sambo · · Score: 1

      It's been 100 + degrees for the past week where I live. My place of work doesn't have a shower. I use a lot of antiperperant and a large fan to cool down after I get to work.

      When I go home, I just sit on the air conditioning vent until the Simpsons are over.

      Yeah, I stink.

    7. Re:My solution won't work for most of you, but... by ctr2sprt · · Score: 1

      No, but I do remember him from the self-improvement video Get Confident, Stupid!

    8. Re:My solution won't work for most of you, but... by checkyoulater · · Score: 1

      I ride my mountain bike to work. I only live about 4 miles from work, which translates to a 15 minute ride to and from work. It's enough to keep me in pretty good shape.

      That's nothing. I rollerblade home from work every day that it isn't raining. It is about 15km. Mostly uphill. I do agree, though. It certainly keeps the fat off.

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    9. Re:My solution won't work for most of you, but... by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Personally, while I sweat a lot, I find my exercise sweat doesn't stink. *shrug* Don't ask me why... I know my nervous sweat does. But exercise? Nope. So I just bring a change of clothes and, voila, no problems.

    10. Re:My solution won't work for most of you, but... by Mr.Sharpy · · Score: 1

      Well, when I was a young developer, we walked to and from work every day, uphill! Both ways!

      But seriously, if it's 15km uphill on your way home, I bet it is one hell of a rollerblade express commute on the way down to work in the mornings!

    11. Re:My solution won't work for most of you, but... by caluml · · Score: 1

      That's what you think - but I was speaking to one of your colleagues, and they asked me to break it to you gently... :)

    12. Re:My solution won't work for most of you, but... by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Ugh, you call this gently? My self-esteem is shattered! Excuse me, I need to cry in the bathroom for a few minutes... *whimper* ;)

    13. Re:My solution won't work for most of you, but... by jnik · · Score: 1

      I keep my water bottle full and basically deal. With a good A/P and daily bathing I really don't smell. I find it's maybe three-quarters state of mind. If I keep myself calm while riding (some experience in light meditation helps), breath deeply, and ride steadily I don't get nearly as hot or sweaty. When I reach my destination I stay relaxed, wipe my face with a wet paper towel, and within a few minutes you wouldn't even know I rode in.

    14. Re:My solution won't work for most of you, but... by Jim+Hall · · Score: 1

      I ride my mountain bike to work. I only live about 4 miles from work [...]

      I take the bus to work. According to Mapquest, my walk to/from stops is just over 1.5mi each day, but still it's good exercise. And you never skip a day! :-)

    15. Re:My solution won't work for most of you, but... by Pinball+Wizard · · Score: 1
      Is that like the Chris Robinon(Black Crowes singer) diet?

      One deep breath for breakfast, one deep breath for lunch, and for dinner, a sensible Marlboro cigarette.

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    16. Re:My solution won't work for most of you, but... by me.at.work · · Score: 1

      I'm one of those lucky enough to have access to a shower at work, so I try to bike to work as often as possible.

      Have to say that the best workouts are usually in the winter as opposed to blistering heat in the summer... We get down to -15 to -20 celsius outdoors where I live. Man, you have to put on some serious clothing to make it the 9 miles to work. Add to that some 10 to 20cm of snow (before it's plowed off the street) and I'm usually sweating quite heavily after 5 mins.
      Summerheat is like a paradise compared to the winters. Mmmmh.

      I keep a full change of clothes at work, and always ride in bike clothes. You can't find anything more uncomfortable and restricting to movements than biking in regular apparel.

      Keeping to the main subject, the road I take to work has three good climbs so just riding to work and watching the diet has kept me in pretty good shape for the last two years. I'm just starting to take up on training seriously and racing again. Been too busy at work for the last few years so I had to give up racing. Bleh.

  25. Less beer, different modes of transport by incompetent_bitch · · Score: 1

    All that beer has tons of carbs, and unless you're consuming it in the middle of the day (I hope not), then you're most likely just going to sleep with tons of carbs in your body. Cut down on the beer, and also look at how you're getting to and from work. I know when I worked in a different office, I was able to bike to and from work every day. Not only did I feel great from the exercise every morning, but I was less tired and just felt better overall. So, cut down on useless carbs and get some exercise!! Very simple indeed, no fancy books are websites needed.

    1. Re:Less beer, different modes of transport by elviscious · · Score: 1

      What if he's drinking the fancy new low carb beers though?

      As you can plainly see from the advertisements you'll be only 4% body fat, just from drinking that. Think of what you'd look like if you exercised?!

    2. Re:Less beer, different modes of transport by opus18 · · Score: 1

      What ever you do, don't touch the L-I-T-E beer!!! Why fool yourself into pretending to enjoy a tasteless, nutrient-deprived, yellow piss that will only mildly satiate your desire to drink to get drunk. Grain alcohol anyone? Enjoying a fine brew or two in a sitting is perfectly fine if you still want to be in shape. Agreed: no books, websites, or anything. It's gotta come from within - bike to work! Run your errands on foot or on bike. You'll be happier.

      Mich Ultra = The Gatorade of Beers.

      Who are they kidding?

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  26. While @ the office? by HogGeek · · Score: 1
    I don't think it is practical to "workout" while at work. And I could see your employer compaining, not to mention your co-workers.

    I think most people (well, here where I work) work out before / @ lunch / after work.

    1. Re:While @ the office? by mcmonkey · · Score: 1
      I don't think it is practical to "workout" while at work. And I could see your employer compaining, not to mention your co-workers.

      No one seems to mind this person drinking beer and not doing much actual work during the day. I doubt exercise will be an issue.

    2. Re:While @ the office? by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 1
      On a related note: find someone to work out with you if you're going to go the gym route. It's all too easy to say, "Oh, well, I'll skip today." But if you've got someone expecting to go with you, it's much harder to say you can't do it today. Likewise, they won't have as easy a time backing out.

      Go five days a week, do cardio for a half hour. Three days of the week, also work on muscles but don't keep doing the same muscle group. Ask around at the gym and I am sure someone there will give you a little advice.

      Oh, and GOOD LUCK!

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    3. Re:While @ the office? by chowdmouse · · Score: 1

      Doing "very little" work in a "ten hour day" has probably pissed them off already. I'd say go for the gold and workout, build model ships, learn to play the guitar, etc.... Have a little fun.

    4. Re:While @ the office? by Col.+Panic · · Score: 1

      Agreed - I don't think the day has ended until after a stop at the gym. Sedentary jobs like ours require that we do something extra, be it weights, biking, running, whatever.

    5. Re:While @ the office? by crazyphilman · · Score: 1

      I agree. What I would do is, buy an "Aircycle" which is kind of a stationary bicycle which uses air pressure to provide resistance. They're cheap, and burn about 450 calories per half hour. Put it in your living room and do a half hour to an hour a day, before or after work. It's easier on the joints than running, too.

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  27. While not a complete solution by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Fidgeting burns calories.

    It has definitely made a difference for me.

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  28. exercise while at your desk by emilng · · Score: 1

    If you're sitting at a desk, extend your legs slowly until the are fully extended and then slowly lower them. Keep doing this all day and your lower half can be in a ZZtop video.

    1. Re:exercise while at your desk by Ratface · · Score: 1

      What? Covered in luxutious long hair you mean??

      Bizarre! :-D

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  29. Stop drinking beer then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're a male, so all you have to do is reduce your calorie intake.

    Seriously, beer has a lot of empty calories, even the light beers aren't all that great. If your drinking to get drunk, use a distilled liquor, like vodka. Much less calories per oz. alcohol.

  30. Suggestions by deman1985 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I find that I like to get up and walk around anytime that I'm not actually typing at my computer. I can do any thinking and other mental work while I'm standing up and when it comes time to make a change to code, I sit down and type

    There are always items you can bring in to help maintain strength in your arms-- small weights. The stress relief ball things are good for both stress relief and can work the muscles in your hands to keep them from getting stiff from typing all day.

    I'll do occasional stretching exercises briefly while I'm at the office, but unfortuntely nothing that can really be considered a real workout. I do stay in decent shape, however, even after working as a programmer for five years.

  31. What a job! by Tom7 · · Score: 0

    Man, you sit around in front of a computer, drinking beer and not working all day?

  32. Squash ? by JonyEpsilon · · Score: 1
    How about a game of squash at lunchtime ?

    Convince your boss to play against you and then you don't even have to get back on time ...

  33. What Exactly is He Trying to Say? by LordYUK · · Score: 1

    "Personally, I sit at a computer desk for 10 hours a day with very little actual work. Your also started to get a little belly and out of shape. I know it's real bad in my office, especially with all the beer I consume."

    I'd suggest at least not consuming beer prior to submitting articles to slashdot...

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  34. stairs by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1
    Good luck with the stairs. I'd love to take the stairs, but at all the buildings I've ever worked in, the stairwell doors lock behind you. I hate waiting for an elevator to go 1 or 2 floors up.

    The stairwells are probably locked due to liability issues. Thanks for another one, lawyers. Hope you all are enjoying the golf.

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      But most places have a combination to the door locks (keypads). So you don't need to use the elevator.

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    2. Re:stairs by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      For maintainence staff only.

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    3. Re:stairs by SlamMan · · Score: 1

      Damnit, all this time they told me I was in IT.

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  35. Exercising and Work by Reiners · · Score: 1

    What I used to do was to just force myself to drop whatever I was doing on the dot at 5:00 PM and go down to the company gym and exercise. This system worked pretty well for me. The point was to just get up and drop what I was doing at 5:00 even though it might take only a minute to finish up. This system also depended on the fact that we had a nice gym in our company building. After I was done, I could always return to my desk and finish up anything, if necessary.

  36. Drink more water! by BitchAss · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've actually lost about 20 lbs over the last 10 months or so. I did a couple of things - none of them hugely affected my lifestyle at all.

    1 - gave up caffeine (I know!). I was drinking 3-4 cans of coke a day. I think doing that alone did me a huge deal of good.
    2 - drank more water. We have a water filter at work and I'll drink about 3 litres of water a day. You have to pee every 1/2 hour or so, but it flushes your system and helps get rid of all the bad stuff that builds up in there.
    3 - go for 1/2 hour walks every day. Nothing strenous

    THat's about it. I'm still losing weight, and I feel a lot better. I'm also feeling a lot better now that I don't have my thrice daily cokes.

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    1. Re:Drink more water! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you gave up the carbs in the soda not the caffeine (with regard to losing weight)

    2. Re:Drink more water! by rcousine · · Score: 1

      Dude, you didn't so much give up caffeine as give up about 420-560 calories/day!

      Coke: 140 cal/can

      The rule of thumb is that a calorie deficit of 3000 calories equals one pound of weight loss. So even without the exercise and water consumption, you have given up enough calories to lose nearly a pound of weight every week.

      Congratulations, though. Lifestyle changes can be hard, and often it's a matter of just finding the little changes that can be easily made and yet make the most difference.

    3. Re:Drink more water! by PantyChewer · · Score: 1
      1 - gave up caffeine (I know!). I was drinking 3-4 cans of coke a day. I think doing that alone did me a huge deal of good.

      Its the sugar in the 3-4 cans of coke that made the difference for you there, not the caffeine. Thats a ton of calories.

    4. Re:Drink more water! by jazman_777 · · Score: 1
      2 - drank more water. We have a water filter at work and I'll drink about 3 litres of water a day. You have to pee every 1/2 hour or so, but it flushes your system and helps get rid of all the bad stuff that builds up in there.
      3 - go for 1/2 hour walks every day. Nothing strenous

      I think that's redundant. All those trips to the toilet add up.

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  37. walk by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
    "What do you do to stay in shape? Any secrets, acessories?"

    Walk to work. Seriously.

    I spend about 70 minutes total walking to and from work each day and it makes all the in the world. It's been two months now I have gotten comments from many people about how it seems that I am slimming down.

    I always make sure to walk with shoes that properly support my feet (lovely last-year-model Rockports for 1/10th of $retail at an official outlet store) and keep a brisk pace. It works wonders.

    1. Re:walk by Spuggy · · Score: 1

      Amen to that. I work in a city, and I used to take the bus in, but started to park across the river & park at the stadiums. (Which in turn was cheaper than the bus, but also had the bonus of being forced to walk a mile and a half each way to get to work).

      To be honest, aside from the good aspect of exercise associated with walking that far, it's great to just clear your head at the end of a day. I'm not walking as far as Jucius suggests (25 minutes each way vs. 35 at a brisk pace as he mentions), but damn...after a rough day of putting up with office BS and some nasty progs, nothing is greater than just blasting some music on the mp3 player & walking back to the car.

      In regards to the article, I lost around 50-60 pounds since January by pretty much changing a lot of aspects of my lifestyle. Everyone mentions trashing beer, but at my age (22), I'm going to keep doing it regardless of what everyone says...I'm also willing to venture that I drink a helluva lot more than the poster mentioned (we're talking about a case during the course of the working week, then a case a night during the weekend), so it's still easy to lose weight even keeping this vice in your life (granted it's going to be even easier if you stop drinking, but I'm assuming you're in the same boat as me and aren't going to stop.

      Here are my suggestions.
      1) Stop drinking any sugar aside from alcohol. This has been mentioned a lot already in these posts, but it's amazing how many calories you save by getting rid of non-diet soda & sugar w/ your coffees. For beers, look into a low-carb beer...I got lucky in that it turned out my favorite beer (IC Light) was already low carb, but Michelob Ultra, Thin Ice, etc. are in the same type of position.

      2) Start doing something. Start walking to your car from work; get an exercise bike so you can play NCAA 2004 or Madden 2004 in front of it. This is the greatest advice I can possibly give...I was in a situation similar where my working day (including commute) took up 11 hours of my day. If you get a bike that you can sit down on and play video games, it will distract you from the boring fact that you're working out.

      3) Keep at it...after a few months when you start to lose weight, and lots of people are telling you how great you look, this won't be a problem at all...it's just tough to get going initially. I've gone through a few periods of a week or 2 stretches where I haven't done a damned thing but drink & eat horribly, but if you just start back up again, everything's cool; don't get discouraged by setbacks.

      4) Lift weights. Even if you're lifting lightly, muscle burns more calories than fat; so your inactive metabolism is kicked up due to the increased muscle mass. I'm not talking about anything absurd along the lines of body builders, but if you do some basic muscle training, you'll notice a difference.

      Bottom line is this (don't want to really get into it, but let's just say I know a lot about vitamins & supplements); there's no miracle out there :: reduce your calorie intake, start working out, even if it's a little...you'll notice a difference. You see tons of ads on these thermogenic supplements (Stacker 2/3, Zantrex-3, TrimSpa, HydroxyCut, NO2, etc.)...none of those are going to work unless you do something yourself...I've found that they help as an appetite suppresant/energy builder, but you still need to do something yourself.

      Good luck to ya, I was in really bad shape from the horrible stuff I did in college (drinking constantly, eating fried foods/pizza/etc. non-stop, and doing absolutely no physical activity), and I've really turned my life around w/out a prob.

  38. You can do kegel exercises anywhere by twelveinchbrain · · Score: 1

    And your girlfriend will love you for it.

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  39. Here's a though by Raul654 · · Score: 1

    I believe on southpark, they call that 'bear with wide canyon'

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  40. Workplace by nycsubway · · Score: 1

    What kind of office do you work in where you drink beer all day? How about... you put down the beer, and continue to exercise?

  41. My recommendation: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Cut back on the beer (drink ice water or black coffee instead), reevaluate what you eat with an eye towards reducing portions (eat less food but eat more often, use Pam instead of vegetable oil, cut down your use of butter/margarine), and take the stairs whenever you have the opportunity. It's generally easier to reduce what you take in rather than trying to work it off, especially when your time for exercise is as limited as it sounds, so I'd start there.

    1. Re:My recommendation: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fuck no, just drink liquor. Bourbon, Whiskey, Tequila, Vodka... all of those have zero carbs, plus you get fucked up for less.

  42. Walk around! by prs_013 · · Score: 1

    There are prgs like 10,000 steps a day which aim to increase your activity by walking and thus reduce your weight AND increase metabolism AND improve health. Dont look at the stomach all the time and feel depressed or feel pressured to do those crunches etc. As you burn calories, you will gradually lose weight. Think of a car.. where do you put the fuel.. and where does it actually burn?

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  43. My own recommended tips by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First, let me preface this by saying that I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV.

    I started to worry a bit more about my health when I hit 30 a few short months ago. I've been blessed with a decent matabilism, but even a good burn rate can't help you when you sit on the ass 12 hours a day between home/work/stuff.

    So here are my own tips that have kept me pretty good so far:

    Eating Habits

    Eat more meals a day, smaller amounts. Between 4 and 6 is good. Instead of taking that lunch break and loading up on tons of stuff that just leaves you sluggish, keep some food at your desk. And try to keep it to good stuff. A veggie platter is good with ranch dressing or something like that, maybe even a meat tray with mustards, I like sardines in mustard/tomato sauce with saltines off and on (which is why my coworkers are glad I have my own office).

    My personal adage for food is that it's better to eat a bit of something that tastes good, rather than a lot of something that tastes bad. Fats and oils are not the pure enemy - as long as you do it in moderation. I think Jon what's-his-name from Good Eats had a good point back in a slashdot interview when me mentioned people don't eat fats, then they get hungry later. Good point. So veggies good, dressing with veggies good, meat good - don't just have junk food.

    And I'm sorry - but loose the beer. I don't drink it myself, but that's because I think it tastes like shit. At least cut down, go lite beer - whatever. It's a lot of calories you don't need.

    Exercise

    Again, I have my own office, so about the chime of every hour I'll stop, do some pushups/situps, and go back. Not a lot, but just enough to get the heart pumping a bit. After work, I am again blessed to have a gym right on the campus I work at, so I can hit the treadmill for 30 minutes before I grab my stuff and go home.

    If you can't do that, then do what I did at my last job - squeeze it in. Park at the farthest point you can so you have to walk into/out of work. If there's public transportation you can use, do that - if you have to drive all the way in, then park far. Believe it or not, but my last job I parked about a good block oway.

    When you go to lunch, don't drive there, walk to it. You know that Jared guy? I don't think he got thin off of the Subways, it was the fact he walked back and forth from the Subway to work every day. Never, never, never use the elevator or escalators - always the stairs. Make less phone calls to co-workers if you can - get up, go walk to them.

    Now, I know some people will say "But - I'm a telemarketer/I can't get up/some other excuse". Bullshit. There's always something you can do.

    You don't have to change your whole lifestyle, but if your health is important and you want to be more when you're in your retirement than a rotting bag of bones, you have to make the time now. And it's not much - studies I've seen show 30 minutes a day is the rule, but it doesn't always have to be consecutive. A few minutes going up the stairs to a meeting, a little bit walking down the block to your car, maybe you buy an Eyetoy (I had a reader who loved hers - the boxing/kung fu games alone should get a good sweat) and play with that, or a Dance Dance Revolution pad for parties. And I will kill for a set of the official Sambe De Amigo maracas - not the cheap ass rip offs. Whatever.

    I'm no Richard Simmons (I like women too much), and I'm no Arnold, but I've been able to stay fit enough for wild monkey sex with my wife. I could probably even cut out the treadmill if my family was down here with me just running after my son when he steals my Gameboy Advance SP.

    Anyway, that's my take. These may not work for you, and I'm no expert, but hopefully these help.

    1. Re:My own recommended tips by lish2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The guy from Good Eats is Alton Brown.

    2. Re:My own recommended tips by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 1

      Alton Brown - damn, now I feel like a jackass. Thanks, Lish for the link - somebody with points mod this fine man up ;).

    3. Re:My own recommended tips by hellken · · Score: 1

      You know that Jared guy? I don't think he got thin off of the Subways, it was the fact he walked back and forth from the Subway to work every day.

      Living in Bloomington (where Jared lost all his weight) I can tell you he didn't lose his weight from waling back and forth to Subway. All he had to do was waddle his way down 2 flights of stairs to the Subway on the 1st floor of his apartment building.

      My wife is a Dietitian and she always tells me to eat in moderation. There are NO bad foods. Even chocolate, beer, etc... are fine, just use moderation. Drink light beer, eat only a little of your chocolate bar.

      As for exercise, you should try to do something for a little bit each day. You could do some situps, or pushups, and if you are really ambitious run a mile everyday. One mile a day doesn't take that long, and you will feel great when you are done!

      Hope this helps, and I hate Jared as he says that Dietitians are worthless.

      -Adam

    4. Re:My own recommended tips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      And I'm sorry - but loose the beer. I don't drink it myself, but that's because I think it tastes like shit. At least cut down, go lite beer - whatever. It's a lot of calories you don't need.

      Actually, Lite beer contains just as many calories as regular beer. The "lite" refers to the alcohol content.

    5. Re:My own recommended tips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been blessed with a decent matabilism

      Unfortunately, it was at the expense of your spelling skills.

    6. Re:My own recommended tips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jared lived in an apartment building with a Subway as the first floor. I know because he did it in Bloomington, IN (home of Indiana University) and that Subway is famous around here.

    7. Re:My own recommended tips by DAVEO · · Score: 1
      My wife is a Dietitian and she always tells me to eat in moderation. There are NO bad foods. Even chocolate, beer, etc... are fine, just use moderation.

      I cannot agree with this. Many foods today, especially fried foods, chips, pizza, and other cooked, starchy foods, have high levels of a known carcinogen and neurotoxin. I know not the exact levels of these substances, but I've read it's about 400 times higher in certain commonly eaten foods than acceptable limits in the water supply. To me, that just seems like stuffing your face with a rat poison sandwich. I'd much prefer to eat foods that provides my body with the nutrients it needs to maintain itself.

      Your digestive system and taste buds evolved to drive you to the foods with optimal proportions of nutrients for the body's proper functioning. Today, we have many thousands more foods with artificial flavoring and tastes, and are conditioned to seek such foods, that do not provide us with the ratio of nutrients we need. There is no doubt limiting calorie intake is of great significance regardless of what foods you eat, but it would be a stretch to say there are no bad foods.

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    8. Re:My own recommended tips by mttlg · · Score: 1

      I posted similar tips designed specifically for the stereotypical /. reader a couple months ago:

      Tips to stop gaining weight

      While part of it is a parody of someone else's advice, I think the main points are the same.

    9. Re:My own recommended tips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      read the back of the bottle, regular beer is ~200 calories a bottle, lite beer is ~100 calories a bottle.

    10. Re:My own recommended tips by jjshoe · · Score: 1

      Definatly good tips if it works for you. For those of you who dont get a parking space for another 7 years, park as close as you can can and jog the mile into work. Also use the stairs untill you cant handle it anymore, then get on the elevator to take you the rest of the way to floor 20 :)

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    11. Re:My own recommended tips by decepty · · Score: 0

      "...keep some food at your desk. And try to keep it to good stuff. A veggie platter is good with ranch dressing or something like that, maybe even a meat tray with mustards..."
      Uhm, veggie platter... Meat Tray... But wouldn't the caterers keep getting in the way?

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    12. Re:My own recommended tips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Treadmill with a gameboy ... that's the best 'excercise for nerds' idea i've ever heard. How much are treadmills these days, anyway?

    13. Re:My own recommended tips by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      I've always thought that listening to Lords of Acid or Marilyn Manson (antichrist superstar and earlier) would be an excellent addition to a treadmill.

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    14. Re:My own recommended tips by Pinback · · Score: 1

      What state do you live in that let you marry a wild monkey?

  44. working out at work by qoncept · · Score: 1

    WOW. First, why do you care if you're getting weird looks. You could simply point at your ass which is not as fat as your coworkers'. Second, how do you work out at work without smelling like an ass for the rest of the day? Which brings us to another option, which is.. Finally, why not just do it at home if at work isn't working out?

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  45. electric muscle stimulator by ynosone · · Score: 0

    You should get one of these. You can wear it while you sit at your desk and no one will notice. A friend of mine got washboard abs with one. Whatever someone else might say they won't damage your body.

  46. No easy solution... by jeeves99 · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is no fdisk-like program to delete the beer belly partition. When it comes down to it, the best thing you can do for getting back in shape is to dedicate exercise time each day, or maybe a few days a week. Sitting at your desk doing curlups or pushups or whatever during short break periods is not going to benefit you as much as 30+ minutes of cardio activity will. Though there are conflicting studies, the current idea seems to be that light activity (30 minutes) really does nothing for you.

    I've tried those office exercises and even started taking the stairs instead of the elevator and walking home instead of public transit, but nothing improved. Hours on end at the office on the computer, and then at home on the computer, have taken their toll. Do yourself a favor and work on your diet and get a trial gym membership. If you don't feel better after a month or two, try something else. Good luck!!

  47. two things by bmac · · Score: 1

    First, when alcohol is in your system, no other calories are being burned because alcohol cannot be converted to fat. That means that any other calories in your system (like all the carbs from the barley and hopps and whatnot, not to mention actual food) get converted into fat. That's why, even though alcohol is a depressant, it gives you crazy energy.

    Second, think about it: you do things when drunk that you wouldn't do when sober; how can that possibly be good. And no one in their right mind would say that alcohol in any way *improves* your decision making capacity. Personally, I'd say that making excellent decisions is difficult enough without the interference of alcohol.

    I've been there, done that, and don't do it any more.

    True happiness and heaven: www.mihr.com

    1. Re:two things by WTFmonkey · · Score: 1
      Alcohol can only be metabolized in the liver, where it's turned into an "aldehyde" of some sort or another. Has nothing to do with what your stomach/intestines are doing.
      when alcohol is in your system, no other calories are being burned
      Bullshit. Every time your heart beats, every time you take a breath, every little movement you make requires calories. Converting the damn alcohol takes calories! When "no other calories are being burned," that means you're dead, so your gut is the least of your worries.
  48. change habits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    work an 8 hour day and spend 2 hours in the gym.

    don't drink as much beer.

    don't sit at your desk all day. get up every so often and walk around the office.

  49. going to work by bike by Make · · Score: 1

    that's it. Every morning, I go to work by bike. That's 15 km each way. More than enough sports to stay in shape.

    Oh, one thing is: it's dangerous. Some weeks ago, I parked by bike in a taxi, whose driver didn't see me coming. His fault, 810 euros damage at my bike. His insurance pays. Still annoying.

  50. Staying In Shape by tokki · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm a vegan geek who works 8 hours sitting down in an office everday, but I also run Marathons.

    Running is a great way to keep in shape, but if running isn't your thing (and it's not everyones), then do walking. There are numerous reports on the health benefits of simply walking for an extended period of time a couple of times a week. It burns off caleries, keeps your body in motion, and it does a body good. Walk a few miles a few times a week, and you'll probably start to notice a difference.

  51. For starters... by Jerk+City+Troll · · Score: 1

    ...stop drinking beer. Empty calories. Very bad for you in the long run with large quantities.

    Next, try to stay away from processed foods (especially soft drinks). I am very stagnate myself during the work day, but I try to eat only natural foods that my body can easily digest. Avoid saturated fats. Avoid hydroginated anything. Avoid trans fatty acids. They go in, but they don't come back out. Turn down those cookies or cupcakes the secretary brings in every now and then.

    Also, does your employeer allow for frequent breaks? Stay you have CTS issues and you need to stop typing for a bit. Go take a walk. Do Yoga. Do some quick exercise before you hop in the shower in the morning.

    These are very simple things I do, but I do not exercise regularly and I spend a lot of time in front of a computer. Nevertheless, I am not getting fat and my energy is still pretty good.

    Very little amounts to a lot when it comes to nutrition. You don't have to have a six-pack to be considered healthy, just try avoid things that are a bad. Adequate health can come out of apathy.

    1. Re:For starters... by theedge318 · · Score: 1

      "I try to eat only natural foods that my body can easily digest" (emphasis mine)

      While Parent's diet is very good, the rationale is wrong. Processed foods are actually EASIER for the body to digest, and natural foods are HARDER for the body to digest. What this means is that your body actually burns calories trying to digest natural foods(whole grains/fruits/veg/veg oils)

      Also if you have to drink milk ... buy it in the cardboard containers ... the plastic containers actually leech the calcium from the milk.

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  52. Bicycle to work by Fastball · · Score: 3, Informative
    If at all possible, take up residence a few miles from your place of employment and pedal to work. Thanks to encouragement and tips offered by fellow /.'ers, I regularly enjoy a 1.5 mile ride to and from work on my Bianchi.

    And it has just taken off from there. I go outside of town around Lexington, Kentucky's horse farms on the weekends and get thirty miles in Saturdays and some Sundays. I love it. Cycling is easy for a novice to pick up and continue enjoying. Once you learn, you'll never forget!

    1. Re:Bicycle to work by ferret70 · · Score: 1

      Amen brother! Even bring your bike to work and get in a ride during lunch. If your work doesn't have shower facilities, usually baby-wipes will do as you get a lot of sweat-dissapating air flow on the bike as opposed to jogging. Cycling burns calories big time if you put even a little effort into it.

    2. Re:Bicycle to work by Mark+Frohnmayer · · Score: 1

      Switching to the bicycle as a primary means of transportation has many benefits - not only are you always in shape, but you also consume less oil, which by any measure is a good thing.

      If you want to really enjoy your cycling, I'd also recommend checking out recumbent bicycles. I've been riding recumbent for the last year, and it's totally changed the way I transport myself. The lack of soreness in the shoulders, neck, wrists and groin has made biking much more pleasurable and practical - to the point where I rarely need to drive at all any more. Recumbents are also really speedy once your muscles have adjusted to the different riding position.

    3. Re:Bicycle to work by bheerssen · · Score: 1

      This is the best advice I've seen. Bicyling is generally less stressful than other forms of exercise (unless you're a biking nut) and more fun to boot. And you don't have to live close to work, although I agree that it would help. I know I wish I lived closer to work and had that option. All it really takes is a couple of hours twice a week and you'll be losing weight like nobody's business.

      One thing to remember, if you are out of shape, you aren't burning many calories if your muscles don't ache after exercizing, just don't over do it. Don't punk out, but when you get tired, stop. Continuing to exercise after you become tired strains your body excessively, effectively fighting against your goal of good health. Although you may drop a few pounds more quickly, the negative effects will eventually outweigh the positive.

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  53. Here's a hint for you jack... by ikewillis · · Score: 1
    Go jogging around your neighborhood when you get home. Be sure to do it for at least 20 minutes to see any benefit.

    Buy some weights. Use them at least every other day. Keep increasing the weight you are using as much and as often as possible to build muscle (as opposed to toning)

    At the office, take a computer break every once in awhile. Stand up, stretch, and give your eyes a break. If you are a frequent computer user, be sure to adjust your posture both during breaks and while working on the computer. Don't allow yourself to settle into a round-shouldered posture; keep your shoulders and head back as much as possible.

    1. Re:Here's a hint for you jack... by Fastball · · Score: 1, Interesting
      Buy some weights. Use them at least every other day. Keep increasing the weight you are using as much and as often as possible to build muscle (as opposed to toning)


      I always believed that lifting weights with less weight and higher reps was better and that I wanted to tone (I'd rather be slender and toned than muscular and bulky). I'm curious: why lift more weight for muscle instead of toning?

    2. Re:Here's a hint for you jack... by ccosner · · Score: 1

      I've gone back and forth on this. Never liked the high reps mode as much because it took longer. But I've also plateau'd out at a level I wouldn't call heavy weights. I think the main thing though is to do something systematic with weights that at least gives you a burn but doesn't induce some sort of repetitive strain. If you've never lifted weights much, a class on weight training is very helpful.

    3. Re:Here's a hint for you jack... by WTFmonkey · · Score: 1

      Generally, because "lifting light weights to tone" is the lazy man's way of avoiding a good workout. Don't get pissed, there are lots of definitions of "toned," mine is the guys that do light weights for 4-5 sets of 15-20 reps. You need to use weights heavy enough to challenge the muscles, otherwise you're only working on muscle endurance, not strength. Stronger is not proportional to bigger. Toning sucks. Believe me, lift heavier weights, say the most you can do for 3 sets, 8-10 reps (and even that's a lot, in my book), and you will look better nekkid.

    4. Re:Here's a hint for you jack... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lifting more weights results in more impressive musculature and strength. This actually involves muscle "tearing" and will build the giant muscles and great amounts of strength. However, this needs to maintained constantly. You stop doing this for a while and the giant muscles go away. If you do lower weights, higher reps, you don't tear the muscle, so you won't get the same kind of strength, but it'll be toned and will last longer, so if you get sick or something else comes up (we're talking at least a month, just a week won't make a difference), your muscle levels won't drop as far.

      Personally, I prefer the "natural" methods for building muscle: using them as they're going to be used. I do pushups and crunches, etc, but I also practice my martial arts. Things like these don't isolate certain muscles over others, and thus you'll have a more balanced muscular system instead of some people who do high weights and have some muscles really well developed, and others poorly so.

      Also, if you are doing weights, bring the weights down is just as important as bringing them up, so don't just let them drop as fast as you can safely do so.

    5. Re:Here's a hint for you jack... by mercenaryCoder · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's a highly argued topic. The answer (speculative) is complicated and involves different muscle fibers coupled with different ways to induce fiber growth. One argument is that lifting heavy weight where no more than 8-12 reps are possible is the fastest and most consistent means to acheive muscle hypertrophy (growth) and strength gains. More muscle means more calories expended and more fat burned.

      This might get flamed, but I'll throw it out there anyway. Many folks beleive that toning is mostly a myth [duck]. If you are not increasing weight or reps, then you are not doing much of anything to the muscles. Instead, you are burning calories and losing subcutaneous fat which enhances muscle definition.

      Throw in some cardio and you have full body fitness. Getting huge is hard and requires devotion and large caloric intake. Unless you are some kind of genetically predisposed mesomorph.

  54. Running during lunch is an option by Mostly+Monkey · · Score: 1

    But I can't rightfully recommend it since I'm too lazy to do it myself.

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  55. easy. by edrugtrader · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    stop eating so much, fatty.

    (mod me down if you will, but negative reenforcement is all that will work here)

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    1. Re:easy. by WTFmonkey · · Score: 1

      I'd love to mod you down, but I'm 99% sure his problem isn't eating too much. VERY few people (especially those on diets) eat too much-- for most of us, it takes 2000-3000 calories per day just to keep us where we are right now. The problem is eating the wrong stuff. The goal is to replace fat with muscle (since muscle is metabolically more active than fat) and you need a LOT of calories to build muscle, specifically, lots of protein and "good" fat (olive oil, etc.).

      Go to www.menshealth.com and buy a book called "The Testosterone Advantage Plan." It's a lot of hard work, including hours at the gym and nitpicky food-weight counting, but once you get over the initial suckiness of a complete lifestyle change, your whole outlook will, too. I can't wait to out from behind this desk and go hit the gym tonight.

      Basically, don't eat less because you'll just be hungry all the time and you'll binge. Eat the same amount you currently do, but make sure it's things like chicken breasts, beef jerky, cottage cheese, anything high in protein. When you suck down carbs in the form of fruits and vegetables, make sure they're nutrient dense, i.e. spinach, broccoli, or tomatoes instead of iceburg lettuce. And no sugar other than what you get from "good" foods. Articial sweetener (high-fructose corn syrup in particular) was sent by the devil.

  56. Use Common Sense by ShortedOut · · Score: 1

    1. Eat less. Sitting down for 10 hours a day doesn't burn as many calories as running a marathon. Leave the snickers alone.

    2. Instead of surfing the internet as a break. Stand up and stretch, look around, go annoy your buddy 2 cubicles down.

    3. Do your exercise routine at HOME. The office is a place to work, not to exercise. You'd be suprised what 10 minutes a day doing simple calesthenics can do. Who CAN'T give up 10 minutes a day.

    4. Get good sleep. This is often ignored, but is very important. Do you REALLY need to frag that poor bastard again? Turn off the computer and get some serious shut eye.

    That's it. Be responsible about what you eat. Move around whenever you can, exercise at HOME, and get some good sleep, and you'll be on the road to recovery. ...Or start smoking, you can do it at home, on breaks at work, and goes really well with beer drinking, it'll just make you die much sooner, that's it... :)

  57. Why at the office? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some people take walks around the building during their break, which I must admit is much healthier than the smokers outside!!

    I don't think you can do much exercise at work that will really benefit you in the long run. You need a fairly lengthy cardio workout to do any good. 5 minutes of work 6 times a day during breaks does not compare 30 minutes of constant exercise.

    The best advice I could recommend would be to walk around (inside or outside) the building during breaks, and exercise 30 minutes a day at home (walking, running, etc).

    Good luck!

  58. Sweet! by Infernon · · Score: 1

    If you're talking about the office, I'm not really sure what you can do while remaining stationary. There is an exercise called Great Walls that you can do while sitting in place, you tighten your abs, hold for six second release and immediately tighten them again. It's more effective standing, but I occasionally do them throughout the day when no one can see the strange looks I'm making...
    I go to a gym and I really don't believe that you're going to get in shape without going to a gym. I'm on a mass-building workout plan, but you can go for an hour a day three times a week and lose a ton of weight and get back into shape. Cardio is definitely key for losing weight and diet is obviously important.
    If you're going for hardcore, here's what I do:)
    Five days a week. Each day, I focus on one particular group of muscles with five exercises and four sets of each. I always do abs (two exercises) and I run 1.3 miles a day. My days are split up as follows:
    1. Legs
    2. Shoulders
    3. Chest
    4. Back
    5. Arms (Triceps and Biceps)
    Arnold's encyclopedia is ***GREAT*** and he has a good workout plan which I followed for a while but switched up for a change of pace. I also think I was overtraining, but that's beside the point.
    I know you're probably looking for an easy answer, but I don't think that there is one. One thing working out has taught me after almost a year and a half is discipline. Supreme discipline. You learn a lot about yourself when you realize that you have the gumption to drag your ass into the gym when you're tired, sick, etc.
    Hope that helped:)

  59. My favorite exercise by Kenny+Austin · · Score: 1

    I smoke.

    1. Re:My favorite exercise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      I smoke.
      Losing weight one lung at a time. Brilliant.
    2. Re:My favorite exercise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you're referring to pot, it increases your metabolism temporarily, so if you can avoid the munchies then you're actually doing yourself a service. or better yet, eat celery while stoned, your body spends more energy digesting it than it gives back to you. It's always good for your eyes to get a lot of blood up there every couple...hours. :)

  60. Two things by vasqzr · · Score: 1


    It's a combination of exercise and eating right.

    Drink water at your desk. Juice and pop are loaded with sugar. Your teeth will thank you as well. The lack of caffiene kills you at first, but you'll feel better than ever, soon.

    Take the stairs, not the elevator. Park farther out in the parking lot.

    Pack a healthy lunch. Eating out not only raises your cholesterol, it lowers your checking account.

    Eat healthy at your desk. Vegetables, not candy bars and chips. Avoid the office donut days and birthday cakes.

    Can you ride a bike/walk to work?

    Buy some roller blades. Get some small dumbbells and lift them at home. Get some good shoes and start walking/jogging.

  61. Desk Stretches by mofochickamo · · Score: 0

    I have had trouble with my wrists and arms getting sore at work. I found a good stretch guide. You might find it helpful.

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  62. Finally! by WndrBr3d · · Score: 2, Funny

    Finally, a stand up human being who's not looking for the easy way out, who's not looking for a quick fix, but someone who's willing to put some time and effort into his weight loss and make a change in lifestyle to be more fit and healthy.

    Someone who's not affraid to....
    ~RIDE THE SNAKE~

  63. Atkins is your friend. by EvilNight · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's the only way I know of to sit on your ass all day long and lose weight without exercise... other than going the Ghandi route, anyway. Of course, you'll have to switch to Michelob Ultra if you want to continue drinking beer. :)

    Seriously tho, give the Atkins diet books a read sometime. It takes a bit of work to switch your eating habits from carb rich to carb lite, but honestly after the first week it's a piece of cake. Wait, can't have cake... dammit. You can have Leek and Mushroom pie tho.

    Yes, the guy who invented the diet died. No, the diet didn't kill him. Well, maybe the sugar deprivation made him lightheaded which is why he fell, but I guess we'll never know...

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    1. Re:Atkins is your friend. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      you'll have to switch to Michelob Ultra if you want to continue drinking beer

      Forget beer, just drink bourbon, whiskey, tequila...any of those have 0 carbs per serving. I was pissed at first since my first love is Guinness, but I got over it. Yes I cheat from time to time, just can't stop lovin the cascade.

  64. What I do by damballah · · Score: 1
    If your job has no gym, you'll have to look for one that is close-by to it or to your home. After leaving work, I head straight to the gym, before getting home. The reason is, once I get home, I rarely have the will to get out.

    So, I just head there right after work and work out for about 25 minutes. That's it. I've maintained my initial weight despite my unhealthy eating habits and despite sitting at a chair in front of the screen all day :)

    1. Re:What I do by TCaM · · Score: 1

      Ok Cartman.

  65. Unbelievable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep on perpetuating those fat-geek stereotypes.

    Get yer fat arse outta bed an hour earlier and walk/jog for 40 minutes. You'll feel better mentally and physically all day, and your metabolism will increase too.

    Only in America do people have this problem. Eat less and exercise more!

  66. Not being facetious, I promise: EAT LESS by yndrd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The key to losing weight with a non-active lifestyle is to EAT LESS. Exercising only burns off so many calories at a time, and you'll have a hard time catching up to a Big Mac when you're full time job isn't to run all day.

    I've lost about thirty five pounds by reducing my caloric intake every day. I don't watch carbohydrates or meat or fat or any of that; I just eat less than I normally would and pay attention to the calories printed on the sides of packages, opting for less.

    For example, I switched from a 300-calorie bagel to a 70-calorie apple every morning. I switched from a God-knows-how-many-calorie lunch every day to a single sandwich.

    I let myself eat what I want on some days as long as the average intake is lower than normal.

    I do also exercise (I walk up 12 floors of stairs), but the real weight drop occurred when I stopped eating as much.

    1. Re:Not being facetious, I promise: EAT LESS by Gunzour · · Score: 2, Informative

      I lost about 20 pounds over a year mostly by cutting soda out of my diet. I drink diet soda when I need the caffeine (although that should probably go too) and I drink a lot of water. Water = 0 calories. Soda = 120 calories (or so) per 12 oz. can. That means a 64-ounce super-size soda has 640 calories! Fruit juice is just as bad. Water is best but if you absolutely need something more flavorful try Crystal Light or some other drink with an artificial sweetener.

    2. Re:Not being facetious, I promise: EAT LESS by Beatbyte · · Score: 1

      Its not necessarily the quantity of the food you eat, its more the quality... and then you have to take into account your metabolism.

      If you eat more food of higher quality (less fat, calories, carbs, preservatives, etc.) but spread them out across the day, it will keep your digestive system running constantly and therefore increase the burning of calories.

      Worked for me. I dropped 40 lbs in the last year.

    3. Re:Not being facetious, I promise: EAT LESS by soulcutter · · Score: 1

      Exercising only burns off so many calories at a time, and you'll have a hard time catching up to a Big Mac when you're full time job isn't to run all day.

      I disagree, while the act of working out isn't necessarily going to burn those calories off, regularly exercising has the added advantage of increasing your metabolism. I think a lot of people have touched on the best solution: a combination of both exercise and better dieting. I've known some fat people who eat very little but are not active, and their metabolism is such that it keeps them plump. On the flip side, though, I have seen very few people who exercise regularly (regardless of diet) have weight problems.

      Another thing I've noted, is when I am active and working out regularly I seem to crave healthier foods more often than when I'm lazy. Could be my imagination, but I'd like to think there's a correlation between working out and your body dictating your diet.

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    4. Re:Not being facetious, I promise: EAT LESS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something thats very important, that I haven't seen mentioned yet, is the necessity for a re-feed day:

      If you've been dieting for a while, your metabolism will adapt and you will stop losing weight. You have to incorporate a day (sometimes refered to as a "cheat day") where you eat at more than maintenance calories.

      This will also help with your determination, knowing that one day of the weekend (or whenever is convenient for you) you can eat as much as you like (don't go overboard though), can help you get through the week. And most importantly will put your metabolism back in check.

      v

    5. Re:Not being facetious, I promise: EAT LESS by hether · · Score: 1

      ...or some other drink with an artificial sweetener.

      I agree and would encourage trying products that use Splenda as that artificial sweetner instead of Aspartame, which can cause health problems for some people. For me it was headaches. Diet Rite is the only soda I know of that has switched to Splenda so far, but there are other drinks out there with it in. They're adding it to lots of products all the time, especially ice cream treats. :)

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    6. Re:Not being facetious, I promise: EAT LESS by Dastardly · · Score: 1

      Since, I did the a similar weight loss plan. Here is my story.

      I weighed 210 at the end of April 2003. Out of college in May 1996 I weighed 165. My goal was to get to 180 and then reevaluate. A few years earlier I had already eliminated the 32oz soda from my lunch, but still was adding weight.

      So, to lose weight I reduced my calories to 1600/day. And, did 1 hour swim workouts 3-4 times/week.

      Sample starting workout (distances in yards):
      400 Warm up.
      6x150 Pull/Kick/Swim on 2:45
      3x400 on 7:00 (or some other 1200 yard set on 1:45/100 yards)

      After 6 weeks:
      Changed to
      4x400 on 6:20 (or some other 1600 yard set on 1:35/100 yards)

      Every 3rd workout do 2500 yards easy to recover.

      Now, I weigh 188. And, my main set is 2000yards on 1:30/100 yards. Another 5 seconds off my interval and that will be as fast as I was in college. I have also switched to 2 workouts a week with 30 minutes weights and 2000-2500 yards swim alternating with no wieghts and 3500 yards swim. I haven't done enough workouts in a row to worry about recovery.

      Oh and 3 hours boogie boarding at Zuma Beach substitutes for a workout. :-)

      When I get to 180. I want to increase my calorie intake to a maintenance level, and continue training. The way things are going I am hoping to be as fast or faster swimming than I was in college.

      Dastardly

  67. Staying in shape *in* the office? by Patman · · Score: 1

    Next to impossible. Work at the office, work out somewhere else.

    I'm lucky in that my office complex has a gym. I go there during my lunch hour. 15 of cardio, 45 of weightlifting, then back to work.

    If you can squeeze in a workout in the middle of the day, do it - you'll feel better for the rest of it. Before work is good as well, if you can get up earlier.

    Try to eat healthy at work - bring in your own food.

    Joining some sort of class works for a lot of people, in the "If I'm paying for it, I'm GOING!" vein. In addition to my gym workouts, I do four or five nights a week of martial arts.

    Cut your calories, up your physical activity. Only real way to lose weight. Most importantly, find what works for you. I could go on with a lot of the stuff I learned, but I think I'll cut it here.

  68. Basket ball court by Jonny+Ringo · · Score: 1

    Pressure your work to set up a hoop. My work recently did, and I'm out there every day now. I already feel so much better.

  69. Losing Weight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I lost 35 lbs in the past 3 months by switching to diet sodas, eating less, and walking around 2-5 miles a night. It's worth a shot and not too hard to try for a week or two.

  70. A few easy steps. by saintjab · · Score: 1

    One, try to walk around more at work. It's allways easier to shoot an email or pick up the phone, but there is no exercise there. Then, try to get into an after-work exercise routine. Maybe just a half-hour everyday to alleviate stress. I find it works miracles when I'm having trouble sleeping at night. Eat smaller, less fat, and more digestable lunches/breakfast. You have to be gaining the weight from somewhere. If you work at a place with stairs, use them. Don't allways resort to the elevator to get where you need to go. I know these are all common sense, and all very simple, but together they can make a big difference. One last suggestion (I realize many can't do this) but try to get exercise during lunch. I've never been one to eat lunch or breakfast, so I take my hour lunch and go to the nearest skateboard park for an hour. You don't hafta skate, but any exercise during lunch can be of the same benefit. --just some thoughts.

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  71. Bicycle to your work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do it. I have ~10km each way. I use ~25 mins to ride my bicycle or ~15 mins to drive. I get ~50 mins of exercise in each day yet it uses only ~20 mins more time than driving.

  72. Commute or get employer to sponsor exercise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Commute to/from office by foot, bike, etc. While this is not at the office exercise you can extend the idea to be getting to/from your office. I sometimes cycle to and from work (5 miles), other times I hitch a ride (organized via my wife or friend) and then run home.

    Better yet, my employeer offers a program where we get up to 2 hours of credit a week to do lunchtime exercise. Thus, if I put in an extra 1/2 hour of work I get to take 1/2 of my work time. Thus, I can take an hour long exercise break and only make up an additional 1/2 hour for a maximum of 2 hours a week. What a deal, being paid to exercise.

    Ask you employer about a program. It has many benefits. I am actually more alert and productive many afternoons after exercising.

  73. Hobbies? by Haikiba · · Score: 1
    Try out some new hobbies! I've lost almost 40 pounds thanks to Dance Dance Revolution, for example. Maybe one of your current hobbies could allow for more activity.

    Also, you can get exercise at the office just by creating opportunities to do so, accoridng to Bruce Lee in The Tao of Jeet Kune Do. Try taking the stairs instead of the elevator or parking further away from the door.

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  74. Change your life.... by bier · · Score: 1
    Bike to work, walk to work, bike or walk to the market. Get out of your lazyboy and DO SOMETHING!


    Most activities burn calories, TV watching is not an activity.
    I too sit in front of a computer all day, but I don't have a TV, I bike almost everywhere I go, I walk to go out to dinner with my wife and we split a meal, we don't need the tons of food we gorge ourselves on.


    Diets don't work! You have to change the way you behave. Kill your Television, avoid your car, and enjoy life.....I'm done!

  75. Simple! by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 1
    Work though lunch. Eat and write code, or whatever. Then, for your lunch hour, WALK. Go outside and WALK for the hour. That's it. Do that for a month and you'll change, and if you wanted to add a bit of excersice when you get home, or on weekends, great. But start small and just do the WALKING one hour a day. No need to look silly and break a sweat at the office and stink all day. Walk slowly, but WALK. And don't forget to password protect your screensaver since you are going to be out of the office WALKING every day.

    Or, you can try some Weight Gainer 4000(TM) and bulk up! Say it with me now! Beef cake! Beefcake! BEEFCAKE!

  76. Spam! (not to eat, but...) by Toasty981 · · Score: 1

    Well shit, sitting at the computer for 10 hours a day, you no doubt have been presented with countless FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITIES!!! to lose weight FAST!!

  77. Some tips by BoneFlower · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fidget. People who fidget a lot are in measureably better shape than those who don't(and are otherwise similar exercise/diet wise). Just make sure not to do this at a meeting with the boss to discuss a raise/promotion:).

    Try lifting your desk while sitting at it. You don't actually need to lift it off the ground, just put a lot of force into it as if you meant to, do many repetitions of that.

    Volunteer for any odd jobs around the office that involve physical labor.

    If you live close enough, walk or ride a bike to work whenever weather permits. If you have enough time during your lunch break, take a walk or bike ride somewhere.

    Get up and stretch regularly.

    Situps/pushups and the like can help, don't worry about what other people think. When you are in shape to pull that vital bit of overtime that gets a product out in time, and they arent, guess who is employee of the month?

    1. Re:Some tips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Here's some of what I'm trying..

      Exercise. If normal exercise regiemes don't work, try adding some to your daily commute.

      Eat less. One should get hungry between meals. Try to scale your meals so you get hungry between them. When mealtime comes, if you are not as hungry as you are trying to get, eat a lighter meal.

      Don't snack between meals. Figure your reasons for doing so and address them. Keep working on it until you can go to the proverbial snack machine, see the snacks, and still decide "not today" without feeling like you are missing out on something.

      Don't use food as a reward. Too many people do. Find something else you'd rather do that doesn't involve eating and make some time for it if you've been good dietwise.

  78. Well... by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 1

    Actually Amazon has a book detailing an excercise you can do.

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  79. Confused... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Getting Back Into Shape While At The Office?

    What possible use would the /. community have for an article like this?

  80. Start smoking by Metroid72 · · Score: 1

    Every time you feel like eating, just pop one.

    Oh.. wait a minute.. that will kill you..

    Back to eating less and trying to stay active.

    1. Re:Start smoking by BuBu_ · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it'll kill you, but you're right. You seriously wanna lose some weight, just have a smoke and a can of coke in the mornings for breakfast, light lunch and a smoke after words and you'll be set 'till closing time.

  81. Get a Bicycle by Bilbo · · Score: 3, Informative
    OK... it's not at work, but it's on the way to and from work.

    Think about it. You have to get to work anyway. Why not use that time getting in shape? I've ridden to work on a regualr basis for close to 20 years (less a couple breaks for various reasons). I've gone anywhere from 3 miles to 20 miles (one way). Right now, I'm going 8 miles each way, which I think is about optimal. When I was 5 miles from work, I rode through the year, including upstate NY winters. Going 20 miles was hard, and I only did it two or three times a week.

    It's not for everyone, and it takes some hard work and dedication, but it does keep you in shape, and it's a great way to use what would otherwise be wasted time stewing in traffic behind the wheel of a car.

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    1. Re:Get a Bicycle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One trick you need with this. How do you get out of the mandatory 60hr weeks so you can ride with decent daylight? Night/twilight commuting sucks...practice your evasive actions and the drop-and-slide before you try it. Be paranoid, some of them really ARE out to get you. Trust me, it will save your ass (as it has mine!). If you think people are out to get you when you ride a motorcycle, try bicycling at dusk :^(

    2. Re:Get a Bicycle by Bilbo · · Score: 1
      > How do you get out of the mandatory 60hr weeks so you can ride with decent daylight?

      Unfortunately, I don't know a good solution for the 60 hour part, but I know that lights (BIG lights) help the riding at night part. When I was commuting in the Winter, I did a lot of riding at night. I did pretty well, though you are right about keeping your eyes (and ears) open at all times. Sometimes you have to pick your routes carefully, and wear the most gawd-awful bright clothes. Wear anything that makes you stick out like a sore thumb.

      Actually, riding at dusk is probably worse than riding in full dark, because the lights stand out more when it's dark. So, you might do better waiting a little longer (after rush hour) and then getting the biggest lights you can afford.

      (Funny part is, people always thought I was insane for riding in the Winter, but I always found it one of the best times to ride. The simple fact that there's this loony out there in the snow, riding his or her bicycle raises the "weirdness factor" to the point where people actually notice you, and generally give you lots of room as they pass. Just look out for the snowplows...)

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  82. My exercise routine by PeteyG · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1. Wake up: Max out on pushups, shower.
    2. Dry: Two minutes of crunches

    These first two steps wake me up from my 4-5 hours of sleep quite nicely

    3. Get to office: Take stairs. I may huff and puff a little bit ascending to the 6th floor, but I can feel it nicely in my legs.
    4. Lunch: Go for a walk
    5. Break: Go down then back up the stairs

    Not too much actual activity at the office.

    6. Return home: Do a few minutes of crunches before I let myself use my computer.
    7. Evening: Go for a 15-20 minute run/jog before dinner (don't want to puke or anything, and I'm a puker). Nothing that will kill me, but something to get my heart rate up.
    8. Before bed: Max out on pushups, crunches, flutter kicks (those things are a bitch).

    That's like 30 minutes of exercise a day (15-20 extended aerobic, which is good). Spaced out over the course of the entire day, and incorporated in such a way as to fit in with my routine makes it very easy to stick to. I absolutely hate running, but it helps tire me out so I can go to bed at a reasonable hour. This, combined with eating somewhat sensibly has actually lost me five pounds since i implemented it!

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  83. Keep the beer by grub · · Score: 1


    Don't listen to these knuckleheads telling you to "lay off the beer". It's the 4 Big Macs and pizza you have when pissed up that does you in. Beer by itself has no calories, plenty of vitamins and minerals. Not to mention it leaves your breath minty fresh.

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    1. Re:Keep the beer by netrangerrr · · Score: 1

      Minty fresh - - that must be why I always think the girls like me better when I'm drinking.

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  84. It only takes minutes by moehoward · · Score: 1

    I do several 4-5 minute rounds a day of sit ups, push ups, and some small weights. You can easily get up to 50 push ups and 200 sit ups in a matter of weeks.

    Keeps me buff and I can do it any time and anywhere.

    For heart health, I jog several times a week on my own time, which at most takes an hour from start to end of shower.

    Being in shape will pay off when the revolution comes.

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  85. Obligatory Comment by JZ_Tonka · · Score: 1
    "What do you do to stay in shape?"

    You're new here, aren't you.

  86. Not much you can do at the office by Harlow_B_Ashur · · Score: 1

    Without breaking a sweat you can't have much of a workout, and breaking a sweat implies shower availability and so forth. However you can do some strength work at the workplace with isometrics or stair climbing that will build muscle mass, which burns calories 24/7 just by being there.

    The most time-efficient conditioning regimen I've found is the Concept2 rowing machine, which builds both strength and endurance for the entire body. Took 20 kilos off with one ten years ago at age 40 and it hasn't come back.

  87. High Water Intake is a Good Idea by opti6600 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Something I discovered is replacing soda (or in your case beer), with bottled water. It's just as convenient, and is more filling and actually serves a purpose.

    Also, a high water intake (just as long as you don't start killing off your kidneys) will help to detox you a bit, always nice in cubeville.

    1. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something I discovered is replacing soda (or in your case beer), with bottled water.

      You could also replace bottled water with regular water if you don't like paying $1.25 for four cents' worth of filtration and packaging (i.e. if you're not a fucking dickhead).

    2. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It's just as convenient, and is more filling and actually serves a purpose."

      Hmm, convenience and a full belly. I know that's why I drink beer.

    3. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by autechre · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Most places in the U.S., you're perfectly fine drinking water from the tap. I heard ("conventional wisdom") that spring water loses any befirts after having been out of the ground for 2 hours. I haven't researched this, but it doesn't taste any different than good tap water to me.

      I bring a plastic cup to work and refill it from the water fountain. Much cheaper*, and has the added benefit of making you GET UP every so often.

      If you get bored of water all day (understandable), you can try fruit juice. But please, do REAL fruit juice and not colored hummingbird food. Juicy Juice and Ocean Spray 100% are my favorites. Also, don't spend all day drinking it or 1) you'll go broke, and 2) food will seem to pass straight through you without slowing down.

      High water intake, OTOH, is a very good idea, and most people don't drink nearly enough. It's something like 2 quarts per day for an adult. May sound strange, but if your urine is clear, you're set.

      * For those who haven't read YMOYL, it has the sensible notion of a "real hourly wage". Deduct the money you spend on work clothes, eating lunch out, transportation, everything, from your salary. See what you're really earning.

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    4. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by Pentagram · · Score: 1

      Also, a high water intake (just as long as you don't start killing off your kidneys) will help to detox you a bit, always nice in cubeville.

      You what? What is a "high water intake"? I read that as "more than you need". And what in the name of Satan do you mean by 'detox'? If you mean removing excess salts and so on from your body then you should be fine just drinking when you're thirsty. Drinking to the point where your stomach is bloated to make yourself think you're full of food is not going to improve this. (And soft drinks will hydrate you just as well as water).

      Snopes on the whole 'drink lots of water' thing.

    5. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by Aadain2001 · · Score: 1

      High water intake is good, but don't ignore your body and try to meet some artifical intake amount. They actually found that there is ZERO medical studies or evidence that 8 glasses a day is what the body needs. They concluded that 8 glasses idea came from a magazine or something, and not from a medical source. If your not thirsty, don't drink. It's as simple as that.

      Oh, and lay off the coffee. In fact, don't drink any at all! After cutting the coffee intake and upping the water intake, you'll find yourself feeling very different!

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    6. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by skryche · · Score: 4, Informative
      As I understand it, that whole "Everyone is dehydrated"/"drink 8 glasses a day" concept is a myth.

      if your urine is clear, you're set.

      Yeah, if you have opaque urine, I'd definitely worry.

    7. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by ravenousbugblatter · · Score: 1
      (And soft drinks will hydrate you just as well as water).

      Not necessarily true, because caffeine is a diarretic (makes you go to the bathroom more often). So go with caffeine free soda -- problem is that stuff tastes horrible.

    8. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my company pay for lunch everyday ... yahoo ... but I have to pay tax tough, in any case, I would rather pay for my own lunch and no tax.

    9. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by Pentagram · · Score: 1

      High water intake, OTOH, is a very good idea, and most people don't drink nearly enough. It's something like 2 quarts per day for an adult.

      Care to attempt to justify that? Theory behind it? Scientific studies?

    10. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's the way I look at it:
      Drink water when you are thirsty. Stop when you are not.

      It's that simple. Chances are you'll be getting all that your body needs.

    11. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by Daetrin · · Score: 1
      I haven't researched this, but it doesn't taste any different than good tap water to me.

      You obviously don't live in SoCal, or at least not the part where i'm from :)

      On the other hand, the tap water we got from the well back where i grew up in Washington kicked the ass of any bottled water i've ever tasted, so obviously the quality of your tap water factors into this.

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    12. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by shekondar · · Score: 1
      Most places in the U.S., you're perfectly fine drinking water from the tap. I heard ("conventional wisdom") that spring water loses any befirts after having been out of the ground for 2 hours. I haven't researched this, but it doesn't taste any different than good tap water to me.

      Obviously you and I don't live in the same city. The tap water here, depending on the day, tastes somewhere between rust, mold, swimming pool water, raw sewage, or a combination of the above. The (supposedly clean, filtered) water in the drinking fountains here at work is a lovely shade of white (even after the company has fixed the plumbing several times). I'll gladly pay a little extra for water that is clear and tastes like water!

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    13. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by cornjones · · Score: 3, Informative

      read something interesting in scientific american a month or so ago. I'll paraphrase:
      They tested 108 or so brands of bottled water. 20 some of them were straight tap water. anything that says from a "public source" or "municiple source" is tap water. 18 of them wouldn't pass standards for tap water (they didn't name names) this isn't that surprising considering that bottled waters have to test their water once a week whereas city waters have to test 100 times / mth. The article goes on...

      "if it isn't better for you, it must taste better right?" Well, no. in a blind test 45% chose NYC tap water above other brands. poland springs (24%) and evian water (18&) were next.

      I've had an apostrophe!!! B) Maybe they have a website: read it for yourself, i'll leave my synopsis.

    14. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by imuffin · · Score: 1

      I live in central Texas, and it gets HOT here. In fact, it's 98 degrees right now, and it'll be worse next month. Because of the heat and my natural desire to drink, some time ago I decided to always have a glass of water handy.

      Paying $1 at the vending machine several times a day got really old, though, and the tap water where I work is less than ideal (I admit I'm rather picky - I hate the taste of chlorine).

      Then I picked up a water pitcher filter. It is one of the best investments I even made! I fill it with water from the tap at the end of the day, put it in the refrigerator in my office, and the next day I have cool, fresh, clean-tasting water. Companies like Pur and Brita make these things and sell them at the grocery store. Overall, it's a helluva lot cheaper than bottled water at a fraction of the price.

    15. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by smagruder · · Score: 1

      Actually, "aspartame sparkling water" is the best. You get a soda sensation, they come in many fruity flavors, they fill you up like water, they have no calories (or very few), they're inexpensive compared to regular soda, and they're made with _purified_ water. Walmart's Clear American brand is a good choice. I just bring 'em into work, set them on my desk, and drink them unchilled. They actually taste quite good at room temperature.

      As for fruit juices, avoid them like the plague. Eat whole fruit instead. Fruit juices, even if "real", are very high in calories and aren't really much healthier than sugared sodas.

      I fully agree about the urine color comment... the lighter it is, the healthier you are.

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    16. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by svenqhj · · Score: 1

      I guess my 30+ kidney stones over 15 years is my body's way of telling me to drink more. I just spend 24 hours this last weekend passing another one. I have an appointment to have ultrasound blast the 5mm one still having around. I guess I really do need to dump the soda and do water and juices.

    17. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Austin uses chloramine. You can't taste or smell it, and it's much more stable than chlorine. Ask any of the aquarium guys around town about it, as it makes it a bitch to dechlorinate water (it releases ammonia when broken down).

      The Pur and Brita filters are simple carbon filters, and the most they're really gonna do is remove the sediments from the water. I've never had a sediment problem in my water in Austin. I'm not knocking you, as I use filters on all my stuff anyway (as part of the rerigerator), and my fish get RO water (98%+ pure water) reconstituted with some salts, so I'm being a little hypocritical here.

    18. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Detox?

      http://www.google.com/search?&q=detox

    19. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by code+addict · · Score: 1

      The general theory behind it is to aid the body in the removal of toxins from your system. The longer you go between urinating, the longer the toxins are just sitting in your body in your urine. If you drink large amounts of water, it helps to cleanse the bodies filters. There are tons of scientific studies to back this up, but I don't have any references at the moment.

    20. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by mohrt · · Score: 0

      Drinking Juicy Juice and Ocean Spray does you no good for dieting, its no better than drinking soda pop. Read the ingredients, if it says "High Fructose Corn Syrup" or "Natural Flavors", don't buy it. Drink only 100% fruit juice with NO added colors/flavors.

    21. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by Speare · · Score: 1

      Drink water when you are thirsty. Stop when you are not.

      When you are "thirsty," your body is already in hydration deficit. You're too late. Drink before you're thirsty.

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    22. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by gigaloCA · · Score: 1

      And about that bottled water. It has been proven that the vast majority of bottled water being sold is no better than, and sometimes even worse than, the quality of municiple water. In other words, at least some of it was taken directly from your local water supply.

      That said, not only is it cheaper to get the water out of your local fountain, but it is the same stuff.

    23. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by Doug+Neal · · Score: 1

      The Pur and Brita filters are simple carbon filters

      No they aren't, they are ion exchange resins. They remove lots of substances that are dissolved in the water ionically (salts, basically).

    24. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by asr_man · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Other claims discredited by scientific evidence that Valtin discusses include:

      * Thirst Is Too Late.

      It is often stated that by the time people are thirsty, they are already dehydrated. On the contrary, thirst begins when the concentration of blood (an accurate indicator of our state of hydration) has risen by less than two percent, whereas most experts would define dehydration as beginning when that concentration has risen by at least five percent.

      * Dark Urine Means Dehydration.

      At normal urinary volume and color, the concentration of the blood is within the normal range and nowhere near the values that are seen in meaningful dehydration. Therefore, the warning that dark urine reflects dehydration is alarmist and false in most instances.

    25. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by edmac3 · · Score: 0
      But please, do REAL fruit juice and not colored hummingbird food. Juicy Juice and Ocean Spray 100% are my favorites.
      Ocean spray? I thought ocean spray was only 20% juice, and from contcentrate too. Scroll down to last table: http://saveharry.com/liquidcandy.html
    26. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by Dastardly · · Score: 1

      If you get bored of water all day (understandable), you can try fruit juice. But please, do REAL fruit juice and not colored hummingbird food. Juicy Juice and Ocean Spray 100% are my favorites. Also, don't spend all day drinking it or 1) you'll go broke, and 2) food will seem to pass straight through you without slowing down.

      Juice is OK, but be careful. The calories can add up fast. I did the math a while back and figured out that the 32oz soda at lunch was 500 calories. Juice has somehwat less calories per oz, but can still spank you.

      Dastardly

    27. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please. Your body is not as efficient as you might wish, but it's not stupidly designed.

    28. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by dasunt · · Score: 1

      There is also sugarfree instant ice tea mix that you can find in the states. A little sweeter for those of us who enjoy that. :)

      Downside is that the artificial sweetner causes cancer in lab rats. :( Probably still worth it from a risk/benefit ratio.

    29. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I grab a handful of lemon juice packets the 2 times a week I stop a Subway. Add it to your water for a bit of flavor. I heard lemon juice is a diuretic also, so it will prompt you to drink more water and move all the sugars and toxins for the dark colas through faster.

    30. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gross

    31. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by Fnkmaster · · Score: 1

      Well, that's because contrary to what you'd expect, NYC has great tap water! The tap water here is a _lot_ better than in Cambridge, MA or South Florida, or any of the other places I've lived. They pipe it down from upstate and it's quite clean & clear. When I go to swampy places like S. Florida though, I always drink bottled, the tap water tastes like chlorinated asshole.

    32. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by Mike+Schiraldi · · Score: 1

      Was "befirts" a typo? Either way, could you explain?

      Thanks!

    33. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should watch the Penn and Teller's Bullshit episode on bottled water. It's funny. And they are laughing at you.

    34. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you stupid, water CANNOT replace beer. Also smoking is a great appetite supressant, so if this guy wants to lose weight all he needs is to take up the habit.

    35. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Juicy Juice IS 100% fruit juice. However it still has too many calories for weight loss.

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    36. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by Maeryk · · Score: 1

      Actually, "aspartame sparkling water" is the best. You get a soda sensation, they come in many fruity flavors, they fill you up like water, they have no calories (or very few), they're inexpensive compared to regular soda, and they're made with _purified_ water. Walmart's Clear American brand is a good choice. I just bring 'em into work, set them on my desk, and drink them unchilled. They actually taste quite good at room temperature.

      Great idea! Cut out calories and such, so you can replace it with Nutrasweet! I'd rather just sit there and drink refined corn syrup, thanks!

      You can keep your killer nutrasweet.

      Maeryk

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    37. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by smithmc · · Score: 1

      Well, that's because contrary to what you'd expect, NYC has great tap water! The tap water here is a _lot_ better than in Cambridge, MA or South Florida, or any of the other places I've lived. They pipe it down from upstate and it's quite clean & clear.

      This is true. Meanwhile, the people who actually live up there (as I did once upon a time) have to drink hard sulfurous water out of groundwells. Yuck.

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    38. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by PurplePhase · · Score: 1

      Taste, like heat, is relative. Stick one of your hands in a bowl of cold water for a minute, then stick both hands into a bowl of warm-to-hot water: the cold water hand is going to feel significantly different temperature than your other hand right next to it.

      Same thing happened for me wrt water: I tried several bottled waters and *hated* their tastes. I only found one (Fiji?) which I actually liked.

      Then I got a filtering system for my home's water. That didn't taste so good but when a friend whose tastebuds I trust said it tasted wonderful, I gave it some time. After about a month it tasted much better. Then I drank a glass of water and immediately noticed that I hadn't used the filtering - it didn't taste normal anymore. Ditto with going back to my parents' house - of course their tap water has tasted different since my time in Boston.

      So in a taste test, the people are really only showing that the bottled water tastes different than what they've drunk every day for years.

      8-PP

    39. Re:High Water Intake is a Good Idea by smagruder · · Score: 1

      Nutrasweet is perfectly safe.

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  88. In soviet russia... by Eudial · · Score: 1

    ...your belly works in an office.

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    1. Re:In soviet russia... by conduit4 · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, Shape gets back into you.

  89. office activity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Walk during lunch - try for three miles at a brisk pace. Bring a washrag & towel for a quick wipe-down afterwards, if necessary.

    Take a yoga class or two, then bring your mat to the office and do a 45-minute session in an unused conference room. Works wonders on the nerves as well. Ashtanga or power-yoga adds a bit of cardio as well.

    Park way out back, and walk in to the office.

    Ride a bike to work (a friend does a 15-mile route one-way, gets a -great- workout, and the commute-time is reasonable).

    Running up & down stairs is a good one.

    Gotta combine it with lowering the calorie intake as well, tho. Don't super-size those fast-food meals, get the smallest versions possible if you must do fast-food. Don't completely abstain from the goodies, however... denial just makes the cravings worsel, so just eat less. Everything in moderation. Two beers instead of a six-pack, etc.

  90. Some tricks by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1
    • Get some ankle weights so when you have to walk, it is a little extra work.
    • Don't park near the door, a little walk is better than none.
    • Get a squeeze ball and hand weights to work your hands and arms.
    • Take Tai chi in the morning at sunrise, before work.
    • Take breaks and walk for 10 minutes -- not only does it help with shape, but also help prevent RSIs.
    • See about walking or biking to work.
  91. To/From Office by seawall · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I once saw a button along the lines of:

    The U.S. is the only country in the world where people drive 4 miles to the stationary bicycles.

    Ever since then I have been bicycling a couple times a week. It gets me to and from work (sometimes in combination with a bus [Seattle has bike racks on the buses]).

    Even if it is too far/dangerous/whatever: keeping a beater bike at work and riding around during lunch minutes is pretty helpful. I find the change of scenery makes it less boring than most exercise and being out of the building (albeit nearby and pageable) helps freshen my brain.

    1. Re:To/From Office by Arthur+Dent · · Score: 1

      Well, after they drive the 4 miles to get to the stationary bicycles, once they get there, they find it hard to walk.

  92. There's Always This by tds67 · · Score: 1
    I get alot of odd looks and would prefer something that doesn't make the whole office stare at me.

    The ThighMaster is time-tested and proven. It operates below the office desk so no one will see it and you will lose weight fast. And as a bonus, you will have the ability to crush a fellow employee's head between your legs.

  93. Drugs by easter1916 · · Score: 1

    Specifically, cocaine. It's an appetite suppressant and it's very light, too -- you'll have no trouble hauling a gram or twenty in and out of work.

  94. What to do? by Cap'n+Roger+Wang · · Score: 1

    Reducing your calorie intake is probably your best bet. Failing that, it's rather difficult to get the calorie-burning exercise that you're going to need while sitting at a desk.

    If you're a sweaty sort of guy, and don't want to alienate all of your co-workers, exercising on the job is just a bad idea all-around. Find ways of working out around your workday, not during it.

    Something that my physician once recommended to me as important that you can (and, according to him, should) do at a job where you sit on your ass all day is exercise your, er, sphincter-clenching muscles, especially if you've got a bit of weight on you. A couple of sets of a dozen clenches each after you've been in your seat for a couple of hours is supposed to do wonders in preventing the need for Preparation H and Anusol later in life.

  95. Try "The Power of Ten" by cfish · · Score: 1

    Try The power of Ten. This latest trend is for the laziest and busy people, based on the new theory that weight training at VERY SLOW speeds until total muscle failure and you rest one whole week in front of the monitor for about 20 minutes of workout.

    Of course, nothing will help if you overeat... But you got Hacker's Diet for that, right?

  96. odd looks by WaxParadigm · · Score: 1

    "I get alot of odd looks..."

    I give everyone who excercises odd looks. Just stop exercising and accept that your muscles will atrophie and that's just the way it's going to be. You get the odd looks cause you're fighting destiny.

  97. Keep it simple, stupid. by Syncdata · · Score: 2, Informative

    The simple things are the best. If you work in a two story building, use the elevator.
    When you get home, two sets of 25 situps. Pushups to your discretion.
    Don't eat microwaveable meals for lunch. You can stay mighty lean on deli sandwiches.
    The most important thing is to monitor what you eat. At least in America, we have a diet which is a hold-over from the days where the predominant profession was farming. Eggs, Eggs, Steak, Eggs and Ham is not a viable diet when you sit in front of a monitor.
    There is a reason why steak and eggs is a "lumberjacks breakfast". It's only viable if you're burning a hojillian calories a day chopping down trees.

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    1. Re:Keep it simple, stupid. by FreshFunk510 · · Score: 1

      Which rides on another good point... avoid processed and prepackaged foods!! All that crap catches up to you and eventually you'll get the Marie Calendars/Hot Pockets/Drumsticks software programmer body type! These foods are loaded with crap and the first step to looking better is ingesting healthier food that's fresh and doesn't have all those preservatives.

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  98. just like everyone has always said... by dogas · · Score: 1

    You have to make time for exercise, even if you think you have no time. Personally, I've lost 30lbs and gained a lot of muscle by joining a gym and eating healthy (amazingly, after a while you don't even miss junk food!).

    The main thing is to stick with it. Even if you're dog tired, hung over, etc.. it's imperitave to still go. Eventually it becomes part of your regular routine, and you feel quite awful if you *don't* work out.

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    1. Re:just like everyone has always said... by thebatlab · · Score: 1

      "Even if you're dog tired, hung over, etc.. it's imperitave to still go." Well, not so much. Working out while having the effects of alcohol in your problem is not the best idea. Particularly if it's weight training your talking about. Alcohol inhibits protein synthesis which slows down the muscle intake of protein which of course it needs to rebuild itself. It also weakens you so that the day after, you will be very lethargic and likely find you can't lift as much. As for going even if you're dog tired. That's a no as well. When you're dog tired, your body is telling you something. It's telling you that you need to rest. If you are dogtired and drag yourself to the gym for a one hour workout, your just hurting your body rather than gaining anything. You may feel good about yourself b/c you were able to gut it out. Don't fool yourself though. No pain, no gain is an outdated mantra. You do have to stick with it though as you mentioned. Just not under extreme conditions like that.

    2. Re:just like everyone has always said... by dogas · · Score: 1

      I don't think being tired is an extreme condition.. and if anything, it's used too much as an excuse *not* to exercise. Being *dog* tired, maybe, but I guess I should have re-phrased what I meant to say. There is a line between being lazy tired and being like... insomniac tired. If you have the latter you might not benefit at all. Being lazy is just being lazy, and that's not helping anything, now is it?

      Also, I think going for a light swim is an excellent hangover cure. That and some eggs.

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    3. Re:just like everyone has always said... by thebatlab · · Score: 1

      I believe my comment used the term dogtired in reference to when not to go which is the only reference to tiredness I noticed in your quote. Agreed laziness is just a cop out. Dogtired is not. Light activity while hungover is ok. Just don't go crazy about it and force your body to do something it doesn't want to do.

  99. Use a Ball as a office chair... by Gori · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One way I found to keep at least a marginal amount of excercise while I sit and work is to sit on a ball instead of a chair.

    Have a look for example here (i'm in no way associated with these folks....)

    It helps improve your balance, strengthens your back/stomach muscles and does a great job of preventing Repetative Strain Injury. You really notice the difference after you used it for a while and than go back to a normal chair. It feels all stiff and uncomfortable...

    I've enjoyed it for more than two years now. I got some weird looks in the begining, but now there are a number of people in the office using them too. Hope it helps.

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    1. Re:Use a Ball as a office chair... by utahjazz · · Score: 1
      Quoth the submitter:
      would prefer something that doesn't make the whole office stare at me

      Quoth you:
      sit on a ball instead of a chair

      ???
    2. Re:Use a Ball as a office chair... by arf_barf · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think Ikea sells a chair like that, the basic principle behind it is that to keep your balance on the chair you keep your spine/back in constant movement.

      Friend of mine has one of those and initially they seem to be very uncomfortable but once you get used to them the back pains will be gone and you will not be as tired at the end of the long day in office.

    3. Re:Use a Ball as a office chair... by LS · · Score: 1

      If you can sit on a ball all day at work, you don't have a problem with discipline. I think the submitter's problem is discipline. I suspect most people would get tired of it and switch back to a chair pretty quick.

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    4. Re:Use a Ball as a office chair... by Alkaiser · · Score: 1

      I have a single 20-pound weight that I have in the office. I use that for tricep and bicep curls while I'm on the phone. Since it's not like I can do it long enough to be considered aerobic exercise, so all it does is burn off a handful of calories, but really you don't want to build up a sweat at work anyway.

      The other fun thing you can do is drink a lot of ICE COLD water. Your body needs to expend calories to keep your core body temperature at 98.6. Of course, this mean you'll have to head to the can a lot, but that can also be looked at as a small form of exercise.

      There isn't anything you can do to burn off enough to make a real significant difference while you're at work. Eat less, and try and get some exercise while you're off work. You should get a nice corporate discount on a gym membership, so try and take advantage of it.

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    5. Re:Use a Ball as a office chair... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball

  100. Two Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Crystal Meth

  101. Walkin' by autosentry · · Score: 1

    I walk about thirty-five blocks either to work or from work every day--and sometimes both. It works really well and has brought my waist down to 28 inches (from 36). Well, that and better eating habits. If you eat less junk, you don't have to work out more. At first this was just a way to avoid getting on crowded subways, but soon I realized that it really was a workout, without too much sweat or membership fees. I really reccommend it. When I first started, it took me about forty-five minutes to get to work. Now it's more like thirty. Power walk!

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  102. exercizing for dummies.... by Rooked_One · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ok.. I know where you are coming from. You are a computer "nerd" and you don't get out a lot. Well - thats one thing you HAVE to change if you want to turn that keg into a six pack. It won't happen by doing crunches at your desk... you need to do some serious physical activity. Most doctors will tell you that to maintain a health life, you need to take at least 10,000 steps a day. I'm sure if you have a beer belly you are not even reaching into the thousands.

    If you don't feel like exercizing, there are some things you can do... STOP drinking all soda/pop. These things are emtpy calories that just leave you wanting more. Don't drink it at all. Ever. Beer will also pack on the pounds but if you are moderate and just have a couple beers no more than 2 times a week, you will be fine.

    For things to suplement your non-excersizing. Park as far out in the parking lots as you can wherever you go. I don't care if you are just stoping at the local Quiky Mart - park across the street. And also, stairs are your friend. Take those puppies whenever you can.

    I havn't read what other people have suggested, but doing butt crunches while you are sitting in a chair isn't going to drop one pound. Be realistic. Eat better, and exercize more. Thats all there is too it, if you truely want to lose weight this is a no brainer.

    Do you ever wonder why you don't see etheoipians that are fat? Its becuase they don't have all the sugary foods we do and they constantly are working. Simple math here... can you do it? :)

    1. Re:exercizing for dummies.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you ever wonder why you don't see etheoipians that are fat? Its becuase they don't have all the sugary foods we do and they constantly are working. Simple math here... can you do it? :)

      It's because they are poverty-stricken and can barely afford food. Yes, I have seen ethiopians with bellies - it's what happens when you are dying of starvation.

    2. Re:exercizing for dummies.... by Hierarch · · Score: 1

      Here's another thought that wouldn't generally come to mind. I don't get a lot of formal exercise. My diet is lousy. I'm still thin as a rail. Why?

      People cite metabolism. I think I remember reading an article once - if anybody can find this one for me, PLEASE let me know!! - where they studied the notion of a metabolism and found evidence that it was not a significant factor. (Actually, they went so far as to imply that it was a myth - not sure I agree with that part.) They put people with different "metabolisms" into sealed environments. Then they tracked every single piece of intake and every activity. The result? The higher metabolism people didn't actually burn more calories with the same intake and activities. They didn't have the same activities at all! They fidget!!

      I'm just as bad. Here I sit, reading slashdot, and both my legs are jiggling under my desk like a pair of hamsters in love. I keep it under control in front of customers/managers/the Nobel Prize Committee, but anytime I'm in my own private cube, I fidget as much as most slashdotters mastu... Um, let's not go there. ;-)

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  103. change your commute patterns by ehovland · · Score: 1

    Instead of driving to the closest parking space. Consider combining different modes of transportation to get you to work. A bus with a bike comes to mind. If your work has shower facilities, bike the whole darn way. If your bus/rail system does not allow bikes, get a foldable one (google Birdy Black).

    Walk whenever you can and change all of your 1-2 mile trips to biking or walking.

  104. Don't buy beer on the way home from work. by Mostly+Monkey · · Score: 1

    Run to a distant store and run back with it. Pretend the beer is a shot put if you want to feel Olympic. Make several trips (no pun please) since a lousy form while running uses more energy.

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  105. Eat less. by mumblestheclown · · Score: 2, Informative
    i go to the gym 3 times a week for about an hour. if you claim that you can't, you're a liar.

    if you won't go to the gym, then you only have one real option: eat less. the average male will consume about 2500 calories. in a sedentary state, plan on consuming about 2200. every day. count them. for many people, the change can be accomplished by drinking nothing but water and unsweetened coffee.

    If you will go to the gym, then you basically have a choice: weights or aerobic fitness. i would suggest aerobic fitness. if you can run for 40 minutes on a treadmill at at least 6.5mph 3 times a week, you'll look and feel better. no whining about treadmills--just do it for 2 weeks and you'll recognize the difference.

    if you do weights, it won't make you lose weight per se, but it may well get you into a mode where you're doing more physical stuff. plus, you'll burn more calories.

    if you intend on staying in the office: eat less. eat less. eat less. count calories. it really works. have a salad for lunch instead of crap with fries. don't snack.

    1. Re:Eat less. by FreshFunk510 · · Score: 1

      On this note, it is valuable to remember that both aerobic and anaerobic exercise is important. Aerobic exercise is good to get the blood flowing, heart pumping and gives a nice rush as a reward. Anaerobic exercise (lifting weights) is also important because it works out the muscles and using your muscles is great for a constant way to burn calories even when you're not working out. So try to switch off between the two.

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  106. What are your objectives? by f97tosc · · Score: 1

    1 Cardiac? Running up and down the stairs a few times isn't going to do it. You have to spend at the very least 20 minutes with elevated pulse. And why do you want to do it during your 10 hours of work? Use a machine or take a jog before or after.

    2 Build some muscle. Essentially the same as 1), it would make more sense to go the gym or such before or after work.

    3 Trying to stop blood clots and other nasty effects of sitting still for too long. Well, then, you don't need any push-ups, just take a little walk and do a little stretch. Maybe do like Wally and find somebody to chat with in the other end of the office.

    Tor

  107. Walk, Eat Carefully, Weigh Regularly by grahamkg · · Score: 1

    I try to walk regularly for exercise. It gets me out and keeps the body reasonably healthy. 2 miles a few times a week is good. Also, I swim because of a bad back. Once a month I swim roughly a quarter of a mile.

    Cut out fats. Meat is still fine, just make it lean. Look at packages and the nutrition labels. Bologna, for instance, is almost all fat. A good steak that's been trimmed of fat served with fresh steamed/nuked broccoli and a cold beer can be a healthy meal.

    Good snacks include apples, oranges, and other fruits. They're healthy, tasty, and generally low in calories.

    Weigh yourself regularly. Do it morning, noon, and night. Watch how it fluctuates over the course of a day, week, month, and across the seasons. When you do that, you get a sense of how to manage your weight.

    Proof? I'm almost 46 years old, 5ft 9in, and weigh 135lbs.

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  108. Walk by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    Is a good exercise, let you have a moment of peace and maybe reflection and not requires special hardware, just use a little time after or before work to do it. Park your car or take your bus a bit more far than usual and that could make the trick. If you think that just walk is very few, well, carry a huge briefcase, fill it up with reference documentation (that could be useful in your work, anyway) and carrying that for a few miles daily will start to make a hit.

  109. Wait wait... beer? by cryptor3 · · Score: 2, Funny
    I know it's real bad in my office, especially with all the beer I consume. What do you do to stay in shape? Any secrets, acessories?

    Wait, you get to drink beer at your office? Damn, I want to work at a place like that. Do you also get to hit on the boss's secretary?

  110. Use my thigh master... by bagboy · · Score: 1

    Good for those slow days when you're filtering through spam... Oh, and try a "light" beer, maybe mix it with some slim-fast.

    Finally, take that trashed-out PC case and attach electrodes to the power supply. Now attach the suction cups to you ab and buttocks. Power-switch on/power-switch off. Power-switch on/power-switch off....

    1. Re:Use my thigh master... by jpsst34 · · Score: 1

      Um, 2 ounces of Spam has 15.61g of fat, 5.73g of which are saturated.

      If I were you, I wouldn't eat that shit while using your thighmaster.

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  111. Exercise for Geeks by heli0 · · Score: 1
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  112. Lifestyle by Schezar · · Score: 1

    Everything we know about nutrition and health assumes that you lead a MODERATELY ACTIVE LIFESTYLE! If your life is entirely sedentary, your body will react accordingly: lower metabolism, over-worked pancreas, etc...

    Take the stairs instead of the elevator. Walk to lunch instead of driving. Do something OTHER than watching TV after work: take up running/swimming/biking/kendo/fencing/gardening. If you don't feel comfortable exercising at work, do it at home. If you say you don't have the time, make a list of what you do every night. I'll bet a lot of it involves sitting and/or a cathode ray tube of some kind.

    Eating properly is important, but if you don't move your ass, it will grow to fill its container.

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  113. Re:While not a complete solution by Big+Toe · · Score: 1

    I wonder if the increase in amount of prozac or whatever drugs are out there that combat ADD corresponds to an increase in the amount of obese people in the USA.

    Man, that could be my thesis if I was a grad student.

  114. Substitution advice by Bander · · Score: 1

    Pot has a lot fewer calories than beer.

    A friend of mine switched from beer to dope, and she went from zaftig to slender in just a few months, with no other lifestyle changes.

    Just saying...

    Bander

  115. Work out dumb ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hack all day, but I stop by the gym after work for an hour a day and ride my bike a few times a week. Get off your fat lazy ass and work out....

  116. Same prob here, I've lost 25lbs in the last month. by officeboy · · Score: 1

    Go for a jog/walk at least 20 minutes, and try to jog too don't just wimp out and walk. Try to go for as long as you can, I'm sure by the time you can run for an hour you will be doing great. Eat less carbs. They are stored energy and you don't really need that do you? I'm not doing Atkins or anything, but I just don't buy bread, rice, pasta, or potatoes. Last night dinner was a steak, salad, and some steamed veggies. Breakfast today was an egg with some onions and peppers. Lunch was just a banana, some baby carrots, a plum and either a granola bar (not the chocolaty kind) or some jello (I haven't decided yet) Basically it's easy, just don't be a lazy ass about it. oh and I have one cheat/carb day a week too.

  117. DONT use the elevator by Syncdata · · Score: 1

    I even hit preview. More fool I.

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  118. exercise-ball by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have one of those round exercise balls to sit on. They REALLY improve your back and leg strength. Also, I have a thera-band which i tie to the leg of my desk and do curls.

    -fwis

  119. Bicycle Trainer by jpsst34 · · Score: 1

    Get a trainer for your bicycle (assuming, of course, that you have a bicycle). When I graduated from college I realized that, much to my chagrin, I had gained 35 pounds of flubb. Before then, I was into mountain biking, so I wanted something that I could hook onto my bike to ride it indoors.

    A good bit of research, led me to choose the Kurt Kinetic over the others.

    Riding it for 30 minutes every day for two months, I lost about 30 pounds.

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  120. Electrical muscle stimulation. by scorp1us · · Score: 1

    Take that ATX power supply and hook it up to your muscles. Write a small perl script to control the shocks it gives you while you sit there at the computer. After a month or so you should be pretty damn buff.

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    1. Re:Electrical muscle stimulation. by Darken_Everseek · · Score: 1

      Actually; does anyone have it on medical authority that whether or not this actually works?

      I don't think it would burn calories; as the energy to contract the muscle comes from the electricity, rather than our bodies having to supply it. It might work to warm up before a workout though; or as a cool-down afterwards .. thoughts?

    2. Re:Electrical muscle stimulation. by kill+-9+$$ · · Score: 1

      You are correct sir. Don't know where I've heard it, since I'm not a medical authority, but I've heard basically the same thing.

      It will build muscle, however, because the contraction of the muscle tears the fibers which is what muscle growth is all about. But the calories would be expended by the machine not your body.

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    3. Re:Electrical muscle stimulation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't make sense. It takes molecular energy to activate muscle fibers. Sending the electrical impulse should be enough to replace the electrical signal from your nerves but I don't think just the electricity is causing the muscle fiber to contract.

    4. Re:Electrical muscle stimulation. by scorp1us · · Score: 1

      This would cause caleries to be burnt all around. The electrical impulse just says "contract" where the energy comes from for the muscled to do that though is your blood stream.

      Not only that, but he increased muscle mass would help to burn caliries 24/7.

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  121. Dance Dance by Jim+Hall · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's what I did: go buy a Playstation (if you don't have one already), and a $20 Beatpad. Pick up a copy of Dance Dance Revolution (you can even get a used PS1 version for $10 at your local GameStop or EBGames).

    Spend 30 minutes each morning on "Workout" mode before going to work. It's a great workout. By the end of 30 minutes, I've really worked up a sweat. That beer belly should start to go away in no time.

    And don't spend so much time at work. 10hrs ... sheesh!

    -jh

  122. Weight watchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Weight watchers is the way to go. Allows me to be a lazy bum, while still eating right. There are even programs to put on a palm pilot or pocket pc that help you track what you eat.

  123. Get out of the office by -tji · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've never been able to feel the benefit from quick office workouts.

    If your work schedule is flexible, try to get out of the office for a real workout. Head to the gym for 30 minutes on the stair machine or treadmill.

    My office has showers, so I sometimes bike or run in the afternoon. I find that I have more energy later in the day when I do this, and I am more focused.

  124. Try biking or walking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I walk to work and it takes about 25 minutes. I also joined Gold's Gym that I go to every other day after work.

    You could always get a hot chick as an assistant. :)

  125. Running plug by Patrick+Lewis · · Score: 2, Informative
    I was in pretty much the same boat about 3 years ago. What I wanted was something that 1) would be good for your cardiovascular system and 2) help me lose a little weight. I wasn't so concerned about weightlifting / bodybuilding. I had done some cycling and swimming, (both of which I enjoy), but given limited time, I took up running. Running has the following advantages:
    • Pretty low costs. You need a decent pair of running shoes, but other than that you don't need any other equipment.
    • Really good workout. You can burn a lot of calories in a pretty short time period.
    • Not boring. You can vary routes and terrain to your heart's content.
    • Flexibility. Given 45 minutes (total time), you can easily pop in a 30 minute run and a shower and be ready to get on with your life. This is really attractive to me. I can do this in the morning (I need to shower anyways), and it is out of the way. Do this 3 times a week, and it is very unobtrusive (as workout plans go).

    I started with the Couch-to-5k running plan. I liked it because it started out very easy, and built to 3 miles over a couple of months.

    I know running isn't for everyone, but it does have some advantages that are hard to beat.

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  126. Fidget by digitalhermit · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yup -- believe it or not you can burn lots of extra calories by fidgeting. Tap your leg to music, chew sugarless gum, twitch. You'll lose any remaining friends you have but you'll be thinner.

  127. Try Monkeys in your Pants by krinje · · Score: 2, Funny

    The office probably isn't the best place to get into shape. Let's face it, there's not a whole lot you can do besides watching what you put into your pie-hole and the odd bit of flexing in your chair.

    Me? I'm in top-shape. I smoke and drink lots of coffee. When it gets dark out, I put on my sunglasses...

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  128. Balance ball chair, fidget, walk to get your lunch by kowaikawaii · · Score: 1
    Depends what you have to (not) do while you're at the computer desk.

    I personally bike to work and then do about 1/2 of yoga stretches while I read my email. Then actually walk out of your cubicle/office/building to get lunch (if possible.) Also, I have replaced my chair at work with a balance ball (big 65 cm ball that runs about $15) - this encourages much better posture which will start working the stomach and back subtly.

    If you want more suggestions for fighting fat while sitting at a desk, check out a woman's light exercise magazine (Self, Shape, etc.) - they cater to your average secretary's constant worry about cutting fat while sitting around all day.

  129. Join a gym by LordDartan · · Score: 2, Informative

    I was in the same situation as you and about a month ago I finally decided to join a gym. At first I didn't think there was any way I'd fit it in my schedule (up at 5:00am and not home will 5:00pm) but it's worked out quite nicely. Granted, the first week of going to the gym I was sore as hell, but that quickly goes away and now I have much more engery it seems. I did meet with a personal trainer there once just to tell me what I should be doing and how to use the machines, but now I go every day and love it.

    Oh, and as an added plus, my gym even has a daycare, so my son goes there while I work out and then when I'm done (if he was good at the daycare) we go swimming there for a bit.

  130. Obvious by Malicious · · Score: 1
    know it's real bad in my office, especially with all the beer I consume.

    Your first step should probably be to stop drinking beer at work.

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  131. Masturbation's the key! by GillBates0 · · Score: 3, Funny
    I know it's real bad in my office, especially with all the beer I consume. What do you do to stay in shape? Any secrets, acessories? Recently I've started to do sit ups, push ups, and running up and down the stairs. I get alot of odd looks and would prefer something that doesn't make the whole office stare at me.

    An average human being can burn up to 100 calories for every ten minutes of masturbation. All you need is some tissue, a quiet room, and some good porn. It's fun, enjoyable and doesn't make you look like an ass running up and down the stairs. So, this is what I would suggest:

    Put in about an hour of vigorous masturbation through the day. An hour can help you burn upto 600 calories. That itself would make up for a pitcher of beer. Start slow, and gradually increase the amount of effort you put in. Soon, you will be having fun several hours a day, compensating for several gallons of beer and having fun, while you're at it!

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    1. Re:Masturbation's the key! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, just ask Beeve Stallmer about that. It lessens unwanted scalp hair too.

    2. Re:Masturbation's the key! by Card · · Score: 1

      Also, a recent Australian study seems to indicate that masturbation may protect against prostate cancer.

    3. Re:Masturbation's the key! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Put in about an hour of vigorous masturbation through the day.
      Soon, you will be having fun several hours a day, compensating for several gallons of beer and having fun, while you're at it!


      Sweet.

      So, like in your cubicle? Or in a meeting?

  132. Cardio at the office? by AtariDatacenter · · Score: 1

    You know, trying cardio at the desk never really did it for me. I took a different approach some years ago. I worked out. But instead of going for the goal of burning calories, I went to increase muscle bulk. I think a good side effect of that is, even when you're not doing much, you're burning way more calories when you've got bigger muscles than someone else would. (And I am emphasising muscle size and strength, not definition and endurance here.)

    But really. Cut the beer. Switch to diet pop. You can't generate excess capacity (extra food, beer, pop) and expect it to go nowhere.

  133. Don't exercise. by Sludge · · Score: 1
    Exercise tops off a healthy lifestyle fine, but weight is lost through creating a calorie deficit. I lost 65 lbs this year (and have only gained back five) by carefully monitoring my food intake.

    If you don't want to get mired in the math of doing the calculations, I suggest the effective weight watcher's diet where it is all summarized into easy to follow points. I had a friend who went through WW's, and I just read the material.

    Two years before I lost the 65lbs, I ran 30-50 minutes 4 to 5 times a week. I lost next to nothing over that time. Lugging around the much more significant weight helped me build my leg muscles (which probably factored into maintaining my weight), but it doesn't help burn fat if I go home and barbecue two hamburgers at the end of the day.

    Following the weight watcher's thing was also the easiest diet I have ever attempted.

  134. Carbs by chrisgeleven · · Score: 1

    Get rid of the carbs (pasta, bread, sugar, etc). If you must drink beer, drink light beers. Just eating right will help cut down the weight or at least stop your gut from getting worse. Then maybe your little runs up the stairs and pushups/pullups while at work will help you out.

    1. Re:Carbs by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 1

      It's a little more complex than that. Simple carbs like sugars break down easily and quickly, causing blood sugar and insulin levels to surge and then fall rapidly, which is a Bad Thing. Complex carbohydrates such as whole grains break down more slowly (and as you note tend to have other nutritive values as well).

  135. caffeine v. sugar by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1 - gave up caffeine (I know!). I was drinking 3-4 cans of coke a day. I think doing that alone did me a huge deal of good.

    If you were drinking 3-4 cans of coke a day, you do realise that caffeine aside that is the equivalent to pouring 3-4 cups of sugar down your throat every day?

    In other words, are you sure it was the giving up caffeine, or giving up the multiple cups of sugar intake?

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    1. Re:caffeine v. sugar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was forced to give up Coke "the real thing" yeah a nice habit of 16 + years, I did the water thing for bout a year(and coffee), then discovered Diet Coke. I'm still losing weight, about 35 lbs now in the last year. ohh yeah I also quit my 3 to 5 hershey bar a week habit....

      Caffine is next on my list but damn thats a hard one.

    2. Re:caffeine v. sugar by BitchAss · · Score: 1

      I phrased that wrong. I gave up caffeine and as a result of that, I gave up the 3-4 cans of coke I drank everyday.

      I'm sure it was the fact that I stopped drinking so much coke that helps.

      I had problems sleeping at night when I was drinking that much coke. I know it's not *that* much caffeine, but it still bothered me.

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  136. Don't be surprised by losing your job by 1nt3lx · · Score: 1

    You and the submitter both do absolutely no work all day long. You shouldn't be surprised when your jobs are exported.

    Fat lazy american pigs.

    Oh, I'm one too. Also notice my posting on /. at 3:24. I've done almost nothing all day. Fat, lazy, american pig. I wonder why the CIO is meeting with those Indian suits?

    1. Re:Don't be surprised by losing your job by el-spectre · · Score: 1

      I find myself alternating between psycho busy and doing nothing for weeks because mgmt. is busy in 'tech-o-the-month' decisions, and we keep getting all our projects put on hold until the 'next big thing' is deployed...

      I'd MUCH rather be busy, personally.

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  137. what works for me by pizza_milkshake · · Score: 2, Interesting
    • eat less (less snacking)
    • eat healthier (fruit instead of chips)
    • pushups, situps in the morning before shower
    • do something to get your heartrate up for like 20 mins/day like running, swimming, intense masturbation, etc.
    • more liquor, less beer
    i know, the last one hurts... but try finding one person who looks decent who is a) a big beer fan and b) doesn't hit the gym a few times a week
  138. Low heart rate exercise by binaryfeed · · Score: 1

    Aerobic exercise burns calories. You can exercise at low, moderate or high intensity. When doing aerobic exercise at low intensity, a larger percentage of the calories you burn will come from fat (50%). Alternatively, at high intensity, a larger percentage of the calories come from carbs / sugars (60%).

    Your best bet is do do _extended_ periods of low-intensity aerobic exercise. That means you want your heart rate to be at 60% of its maximum threshold. So, instead of doing step aerobics for 30 minutes, go slow-jogging for an hour.

    1. Re:Low heart rate exercise by Dastardly · · Score: 1

      When doing aerobic exercise at low intensity, a larger percentage of the calories you burn will come from fat (50%). Alternatively, at high intensity, a larger percentage of the calories come from carbs / sugars (60%).

      If you are controlling calorie intake that is pretty irrelevant. If without working out I burn 1800 calories a day, and I eat 1800 calories a day. And, My workout is worth 400 calories/day, then the extra 400 calories has to come form somewhere... You burn 400 calories of fat, whether it is during the workout or not doesn't matter.

      Dastardly

  139. You Could Always by deadlinegrunt · · Score: 1

    Sue! That's right. Become litigous. Sue the inventor of the fork. No reason to take responsbility for your actions, litigate! (I am assuming that SCO doesn't own this technology too - in which case you may want to keep it on the d/l - lest you be sued for unlicensed use of said instrument)

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  140. buffer theory by jeffclough · · Score: 1

    Here's how I (39 years old, 6'0", 188lbs) look at it. I'm really just an energy storage buffer. If I consume more energy that I expend, I store the difference (more or less). When I find myself growing, I can shrink back down by consuming less or by expending more. Running can be painful for me, but I enjoy biking. There's bound to be some activity that you would enjoy. Then it's a matter of priority. It's really that simple. It is a DECISION, a refusal to yield to sloth and gluttony. For instance, I've given up refined sugar (pastries, cokes, candy, etc) for a while in order to shed 5 pounds for an upcoming weekend hiking trip on the Appalachian Trail. I've had good success with this technique. (This has sounded really judgmental, but it wasn't meant to be. I know that some people have a harder time with weight management than others. But I prefer to get flamed by someone who understands exactly what I've said over being misunderstood in the first place.)

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  141. foolproof... by ravenousbugblatter · · Score: 1

    get up an hour earlier every day and go to the gym. It sucks, because it means I have to get up before six, but it definitely keeps me in shape.

  142. my plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here is what I did:

    1. Land a really cool job near the beach.
    2. Before work ..... surf
    3. During lunch .... surf
    4. after work .... surf

    I planned things around the surf, so I live sorta near the mountains. When there is no surf, I mountain bike.

    What a dumb F'in question/post this is. If your working 10 hours a day doing nothing, you have 14 hours left, figure in 7 for sleep, 1 for commute, this leave you with 6 hours. Exercise for three to four of those hours a week and you will not end up looking like ten pounds of shit stuffed into a two pound bag.

    Sit at work and do nothing, then go home and do nothing and your doomed.

    Alternatively, you could call your local Marine Corps recruiter and enlist. This will guarantee you at least 12 hours of work a day, with physical training mixed in, I promise and guarantee this will slime you down.

    Or just let me know and for a measly 50.00/hr I can be your personal trainer with guaranteed results, all you have to do it stick to the program.

  143. Excercise (consider a martial art) by snopes · · Score: 1

    There is no substitute for getting off your ass a couple/few times a week and doing something. That and calorie reduction.

    I was in the same boat you're in. Then I turned 30 this January (yeah, and I still read slashdot :( but at least I'm happily married :) Anyhow, the new decade got me concerned enough to do something about the extra poundage. Problem was I *hate* the usual gym routine. Boooorrrringggg! I tried and failed to stick with it numerous times. I finally decided to give aikido a try. It's a Japanese martial art. Easy on the body, but still excellent excercise. Best of all it's really technical and tricky and weird and just overall appealing to geeky types. Most of the people I practice with are fellow geeks of one type or another. No macho shit. Just tons of fun. Once I started excercising regularly it became almost natural to just start eating and drinking a bit less. I've only lost 10 lb. or so since Feb., but that's fine. I was sporting maybe an extra 20 and I'm not in a race. The important thing is that I think I've finally found a physical activity that will hold my interest for a very long time. Check it out:

    http://www.aikidofaq.com/

    http://www.aikiweb.com/

    Bottom line, there's no gizmo you can hide under your desk that's going to make you healthy. You gotta get away from the desk.

    1. Re:Excercise (consider a martial art) by Darken_Everseek · · Score: 1

      Heh ... "easy on the body" .. try saying that after you've taken ukemi against koshinage on your second ever class ;)

      going back for the third tonight :D

    2. Re:Excercise (consider a martial art) by snopes · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well you really shouldn't be doing koshis until you can breakfall safely. It's pretty easy to break a bone if you get thrown too hard and fall wrong.

      For the record, I've been plenty sore in the muscles and joints after practice. That's mainly to do with being inactive for over 10 years. Compared to many martial arts and western sports aikido is very good to your body, but there are things you have to learn about in order to stay safe.

    3. Re:Excercise (consider a martial art) by Darken_Everseek · · Score: 1

      No, probably not; but it was my choice and I don't mind getting tossed around a bit now and then. It's downright gentle compared to some of the rougher days I've had at karate. To Sensei's benefit; I was working with one of the shodans in the club, who was throwing me very gently.

      On the note of soreness; I've been in karate for over five years, (if it weren't such a bad pun, I might mention 'prior art') and am by no means inactive. I'm still sore the day after an aikido class. It's not just using your muscles; it's using them in ways you're not used to.

    4. Re:Excercise (consider a martial art) by egoots · · Score: 1

      ...No macho shit. Just tons of fun...

      I also took up Aikido at age 30 and did it for 5 years. I agree it is a great martial art to take up.

      My experience suggests that the "no macho shit" is highly dependent on your Sensei... certain dojo's we used to train with at seminars had a penchant for the "macho shit". As with all martial arts, check out the sensei and dojo and make sure that the style and emphasis is consistent with your needs and desires

  144. Simple... by Omestes · · Score: 1

    I noticed that I was getting kinda 'flabby' from just sitting in front of a monitor all day. So I went to the nearest sporting goods store and bought one of the 5lbs one-handed-bar-bell-things. Great to just lift during work, also makes a convenient weapon against obnoxious co-workers.

    Also cut down on starchy things. Especially before bed, don't drink beer, or eat bready stuff before falling asleep.

    Ride a bike to work, biking has to be the best excersize in the world, not as time consuming (and better for your ankles) as walking, and not as lazy as driving.

    And, yes this is now /. cliche, don't be drinkin' the beer at work, drink water, drink beer at home, or while riding your bike.

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  145. A little extreme by mustangsal66 · · Score: 1

    I run...
    As much as I can...

    Sure people get pissed when I run through Newark in the fast lane of the Garden State Parkway, but screw them, I'm loosin' weight.

    Actually, my wife makes me eat weird healthy crap that often tastes like warm cardboard, and I walk as much as I can, which means I take the long way around the office for my 5th cup of coffee.

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  146. Obviously: by Telastyn · · Score: 1

    If you're worried about staying in shape while drinking all that beer, you haven't had enough beer.

  147. Just get out! by Dunkalis · · Score: 1

    Just get out and do something. You don't need to constantly exercise, just work out a bit every day. You should cut back on the uber-junk-food, and maybe less beer (mmm...bier...), and just run for a bit, even if its just out to lunch. I personally have a bit of a belly, but there isn't much I can do about it. Lets check the local weather...Today its 99F and 27% humidity...Hey, its not as hot as it was over the weekend (108 and equal humidity)!

    So I just wait for it to cool down so I can at least swim comfortably, sometimes doing a bit of exercise inside the house.

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  148. weight loss - Adkins by Uzik2 · · Score: 1

    Got too much weight? Use the Adkins diet. It worked for me. The scientists who tried to debunk it failed. Unfortunately it will pretty effectively eliminate most of those beers you're suckin down.

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  149. go vegan! and raise your heart rate by johnpaul191 · · Score: 1

    eating a vegan diet will control your fattyness...... it will also keep your body from being bogged down with fat and dairy and garbage so you have some energy after a hard day of sitting. i know a lot of people on here question vegetarian/vegan diets but personally i went sorta vegan almost two years ago. in the first 2 or 3 months i dropped over 40lbs without one bit of exercise. i eventually started to exercise and within about a year i was down more like 60 lbs. in almost two years i have lost a total of about 75 lbs. my weight has barely changed in months but my pants keep getting baggier (muscle weighs more than fat). in addition to the weight loss, my (chronic) asthma and nasty allergies are at a level of control i have never had in my 29 years. might not be the choice for you, but personally at 29 i feel better than i ever have in my life.

    it would be cool to exercise at work, but really good exercise means raising your heartrate to about 130+ for 30 minutes. not really going to happen at a desk. do a google search for heart rate zones, but generically your max is 220 - your age. if you need a rate monitor, a decent one can be bought for $50 or even less these days. your heart rate is the real measure of your exertion, not how long it takes you to run a mile. also exercising in the lower range (around 130s for a 30 year old male) burns more fat than carbs. that's one mistake many people make. working at a higher rate will elevate your metabolism in general, but to actually burn fat calories when you work out, it does not require you killing yourself. i guess that's the theory behind those shady diet pills that have something like speed in them.

    alternately, find a job somewhere that you can walk or ride a bike to work. i realize spending 10+ hours a day at work makes it hard to do much else, but really once you get into the swing of exercising after work it is a small sacrifice. instead of just watching TV, do it while on an exercise bike or something. honestly people that say "they don't have time" seem to spend their nonworking hours lounging around anyway due to lack of energy. why not spend it walking / running / jogging / biking / rowing / whatever.

    1. Re:go vegan! and raise your heart rate by thebatlab · · Score: 1

      " eating a vegan diet will control your fattyness" not entirely true. You can be on a meat eating diet and still cut out fat. Eat things like extra lean ground beef or other styles of meat like elk or buffalo which are very, very lean and protein filled. There have been situations where vegans were ending up taking in just as much or more fat than another person on a diet that included meat. Losing dairy is one thing that I'll definitely recommend. Many problems arise from dairy and if anyone is interested. Find out about "milk sucks" through your favorite search engine.

    2. Re:go vegan! and raise your heart rate by johnpaul191 · · Score: 1

      you mean www.milksucks.com?
      i'll agree i know plenty of vegans that eat garbage.... like french fries for meals....... i think the dairy is probably worse than meat to the body.

  150. Just be sure you have... by djeaux · · Score: 4, Funny
    ... burst resistant balls!

    "Burst Resistant ... balls are strongly recommended in all environments as staples or other sharp items may unexpectedly pierce your..." Oh, nevermind...

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  151. Juggle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have 3 bean bags that I juggle at work,
    keeps the upperbody in good shape.
    I also have a footbag to keep my legs in shape.

    Unfortunately the learning curve for these activities is steep enough that the only excercise you'll be getting for the first few months is bending over and picking the bags up from the floor.

  152. Atkins by jafac · · Score: 1

    No, really. It worked for me. I was 5'8" 240 lbs. Now I'm 190 lbs. (losing about 1 lb every couple of weeks now, I'm comfortable with that pace).
    Additionally I was suffering from fairly severe adult acne (I'm 35), and it stopped dead in it's tracks when I started the Atkins diet. I don't even get them on my back anymore. This was a totally unexpected side effect. I had tried everything to stop the acne, including trying to change my diet - but getting rid of all the carbs was the kicker.

    My eating habits have changed - my appetite is much less than it was. I'm now eating about half the sheer quantity of food I used to eat. One problem though - this diet gives you really bad breath. Eating more vegetables seems to help, but there's a lot of carbs in some veggies, so you have to consciously factor that into your total carb intake.

    Gawd I miss pasta though. . .

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    1. Re:Atkins by thebatlab · · Score: 1

      The Atkins diet puts your body in a state of ketosis. This is *not* good. Your body needs carbs to fuel itself. The reason you continue to lose weight is your body is burning fat (which can be good) but once the fat supply runs out, your metabolism slows down as your body goes into starvation mode and begins to eat away at muscle tissue to help fuel itself when it needs it. Your metabolic rate will then slow and if you ever slip off the diet, your weight will skyrocket again. The bad breath is caused by the ketone build up. You have to flush these out with water. Lots and lots of it. Be very careful with the Atkins diet. It can work but some go a bit far with it. It's not good to cut out carbs. Limit them, yes. Don't get rid of them all. Your body needs them.

    2. Re:Atkins by finkployd · · Score: 1

      In the Atkins diet you don't cut out carbs, you limit them. Ok, there is like the initial two weeks where you try to cut all carbs but then you gradually bring them back. The key is to only eat the good (complex: grains, fruit, etc) and avoid (or severly limit) the bad ones.

      Completly cutting out all carbs would be stupid, and I don't know of any diet that encourages that.

      Finkployd

    3. Re:Atkins by thebatlab · · Score: 1

      Ok, my understanding of the Atkins diet was misinformed. I guess I hit all the evangelistic pages against the diet and didn't hit any neutral ground information at all. In that case, Atkins is an all right choice. I also think in this case it shouldn't be a diet and just be the normal way of eating ;) Too bad we eat like crap nowadays.

    4. Re:Atkins by jafac · · Score: 1

      I'm aware of this.
      I do drink lots and lots of water. (Also helps the halitosis problem).

      And I only cut carbs out completely during the first 3 weeks or so. But now - I simply LIMIT my carbs.

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  153. The 5BX Plan for Physical Fitness by mutende · · Score: 1

    You could take a look a the 5BX Plan for Physical Fitness, developed by RCAF. It basically offers you to get into good shape by investing just 11 minutes a day.

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  154. Re:Electrical muscle stimulation: been done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You think this is a joke, but my officemate used to do it. He had one of those muscle stimulators that are used for muscle rehabilitation. He would put it at max power, connect it his abs and "workout" while he coded on his laptop.

    Of course, he also only slept 15 mins once every four hours and drank half a liter of carrot juice every day to make his skin turn orange. Typical CS graduate student, right?

  155. Testosterone Magazine by Spanky+Lovesalot · · Score: 1

    You need to visit T-Mag.com.

    Testosterone Magazine has everything you could ever need to know about getting in shape and staying that way. And it's not bullshit "Denise Austin" type pandering to fat, lazy housewives and husbands. It's not bullshit "buy this gizmo for 29.99 and have a six pack in 4 quick hours!!". It doesn't pull punches and will tell you straight up what you need to do to get off your fat ass and get in shape. They have archived every on-line issue from the last 5 years and it's all free. They admit up front that yes, they own a supplement company, but they are honest about how it affects the mag.

    They have a very active forum with many experienced bodybuilders (not fitness weenies) that live real lives and have real jobs. Many of them are also students. Every one of them was a newbie at some point, and remembers it, so they are very tolerant and very helpful.

    They also have a large following of women who take a no-holds-barred approach to getting in shape. They believe that the same approach (in general) for having a good body applies to men and women. Like it or not, nutritional principles are universal.

    *WARNING* - These guys are very open-minded, and might be considered offensive to those of you who are overly sensitive androgenized blobs that used to be men. They are not opposed to the use of steroids, when done it a rational, researched manner. They also like to talk about their penises a lot, so get used to it. Approach everything with an open mind and be willing to form YOUR OWN OPINIONS. You might just learn something.

  156. Martial Arts by ben_degonzague · · Score: 1

    An aerobic style such as Tae Kwon Do will give you many benefits if you attend classes 3 times a week. My advice is to find a good school in your area (not some black belt factory with an instructor just in it for the money) and train regularly. Tell him your primary reason is for exercise. After awhile you'll notice many more benefits other than just fitness. Also, changing your diet with a workout will help. Someone mentioned drink water, that's good too. Try to drink less beer too. I know its tough, but try. :)

    1. Re:Martial Arts by pchasco · · Score: 1

      This is good advice. I did the same. I wasn't fat or anything, but as I also spend at least 10 hours at the computer each day I was putting on a few extra pounds. Since then I've been practicing karate and stopped drinking normal soda. If you can tolerate it, drink diet soda; you'll learn to love it. I drink beer occasionally, perhaps once every two months or so. Try drinking a tall glass or two of water or diet soda before you eat. Also eat more slowly, you will eat less.

      Another great way to increase your metabolism is to increase your muscle mass. As someone has already mentioned, it all boils down to the number of calories you burn vs. how many you consume. 3500 calories is the approximate number of calories stored in one pound of fat. They say that an adult at rest for 24 hours will burn somewhere around 1800 calories. Muscle tissue burns calories all the time, even during periods of rest. This will help you lose weight faster.

      Don't give up everything that you love. Just consume in moderation. When the means to losing weight cause you more stress than having the extra pounds in the first place, then there is a good chance that you won't stick to the plan.

  157. Baby Steps Towards Fitness by tricky+Ric · · Score: 0

    Sitting in my cube, I know exactly how you feel. There are not many things you could do in the cude and not get wierd looks. One thing you can do is stretch (http://www.lib.msu.edu/ergomsu/stretch.htm).
    Stretching alone has been shown to increase muscle tone, and will prepare your muscles for when you do have time to work out.

    Other than that, perhaps running or walking during lunch hour or maybe riding your bike to work would help.

  158. Exercise by skintigh2 · · Score: 1

    Rearranging labs certainly helps, but you could go small. Parking far away and walking and taking the stairs really can make a difference. You can also get those hand exercisers sold at walmart or maybe bungee cords with handles. Then there's those exercises where you push against yourself... Feel free to jump in and remind me what those are called, or just make sick jokes about hand exercises.

  159. WTF...round is a shape by Rhinobird · · Score: 0, Troll

    Get in shape? WFT are you talking about...round is a shape you dumbass.

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  160. Simple enough... by Dragoon412 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I picked up a job as a trainer at the local Powerhouse Gym so I could pay the rent (and the occaisional video card upgrade ;) back when I was majoring in kinesiology, and a lot of my clients had the same issue.

    The short of it is this: If you want to lose weight, burn more calories than you consume. No fad diets, no gimicky workout equipment, no pills, just excercise.

    The good news is that you won't need to spend anymore than it takes to get a good pair of running shoes to get into shape. The bad news is that a very significant part of weight loss is adjusting your diet, and the excersize you'll need probably isn't doable at the office.

    Go running after work (make sure you keep good form), and pass on the beer when you can, and when you do drink, go for light beers, not Guinness (Sam Adams' Light is actually a good beer, but don't bother with that Michelob Ultra; just get a glass of water and spare yourself the couple bucks and the vile, pissy taste). If you feel like chicken, get it grilled, not fried. If you feel like a snack, eat an apple and have a glass of water, instead of a candy bar.

    I know it can be really tough to start, but the best part about weight loss is that it's almost viral; once you actually see the results, you won't even want another beer. And trust me, after going a few weeks without junk like fast food, it'll almost make you nauseous to think about earing it again. ;)

    If you're into weight training, get a membership at the local gym; weight training is an excellent way to burn calories. Just don't entirely neglect running, biking, or some other type of aerobic excercise.

    It's simple in theory, simple in practice, but amazingly hard to get used to it. Just remember, no matter how you choose to lose weight, it's a long-term commitment, so don't let yourself backslide before you ever really get a chance to see results; give it at least a couple months to see a difference, although you'll probably feel a difference in a matter of days.

    Good luck to ya!

    1. Re:Simple enough... by oOo+Shiva+oOo · · Score: 1

      I just wanted to say you made a great post in the weight loss thread. I am studying the same field(s) as you and also thinking of taking a job at the local gym as a trainer to pay for the bills and a lil extra. Your post reminded me much of the post I made, myself, in the same thread. Nice to see someone who knows what they're talking about :)

  161. How about... by SniperPuppy · · Score: 1

    Well, I as well am stuck in a cube with a computer most of the day, and as I get older, my metabolism certainly isn't what it once was (I used to be able to eat as much of anything as I wanted and stay thin, but those habits are catching up to me now).

    On a whim, I was at Fry's Electronics and tried out the home Dance Dance Revolution pads they had there, and immediately got hooked. So I bought it for PS2. Initially, it didn't seem like exercise, but as I progressed and started working on mastering the harder songs at higher difficulty levels, I started sweating up a storm. I mean BUCKETS. Now, I play using StepMania, a DDR simulator for PC's, along with the over 500 tracks I've picked up from various sources on the Net. So I don't get bored, and it's really a lot of fun. You can get away with a basic PS2 mat and PS2->PC adapter for under $50, and Stepmania's open-source (so it's free).

    My wife enjoys playing, and I've introduced lots of people to it, and I've lost a few pounds to boot. (And I haven't changed my eating habits yet, either).

    Give it a shot; it's not just for the kids, I promise.

  162. Office tap by cyclist1200 · · Score: 1

    If you want to lose weight, you might think about asking your boss to remove the beer keg/tap from the office.

    Man, the only thing we have in our break room is a water cooler and a Coke machine.

  163. bike by hfastedge · · Score: 0

    i just bike everywhere fuck that gas guzzler. you stupid fat american fucks.

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    1. Re:bike by jav1231 · · Score: 1

      Ditto on the biking. However, how many calories can I burn fucking the gas guzzler? BTW: I'm glad you targetted only the fat American fucks, and not the hundreds of thousands of in-shape Americans out there securing peace where it matters (maybe even in a town near you once or someday!). >

    2. Re:bike by hfastedge · · Score: 0

      i live in america.

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  164. I use the Microsoft method by geekoid · · Score: 2, Funny

    ..redefine what 'in shape' means.

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  165. 6 months ago I was 50 pounds heavier by FreeUser · · Score: 1, Informative

    I used to be 50 pounds heavier, and can attest than switching from pop to water (or at least to sugar free pop) will get you 2 or 3 pounds.

    Cut potato chips out of your diet and you'll drop another 5-10 pounds.

    Go on the atkins diet, and you'll dump a huge amount of weight in a short time (I dropped 40 pounds with absolutely no effort whatsoever). Be advised that once you go off the diet you will spike back up ... however, if you keep your carb count under control (without being fascist about it) and eat like you're 40 pounds lighter (i.e. decrease the quantity you consume modestly) you will only spike a few pounds (~5 lbs or so) and then stabilize.

    All of this works with no other lifestyle changes, no workout regimes, no uncomfortable sweating at the gym or smashing your joints jogging along the smog-congested streats of your city.

    Which of course means you don't lose any time available for hacking out new code, surfing pr0n, doing machinima or blender applications, writing, or what have you.

    (Of course, that means you have just as much time to work, as well).

    I detest sports and am not overly fond of any form of work out that does not involve intimate physical relations. Luckily working out isn't a requirement for good health or fitness ... if you walk a few miles a day (I do: to and from work) and eat right you can be reasonably fit with no discomfort and no submission to the Jock Ueber Alles (tm) mentality of western culture in the form of glorified, pay-to-torment-yourself 'fitness' clubs.

    Unless of course spandex is your fetish, in which case the multi-hundred dollar membership to your local fitness club or spa may be worth it to you.

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    1. Re:6 months ago I was 50 pounds heavier by Jethro73 · · Score: 1

      Umm, one of the Atkins diet credos is that exercise is non-negotiable.

      I started it in April, and have lost 30 pounds with no ill effect, or even discomfort. I do three 5-K runs per week at a somewhat leisurely pace, and bike a half-hour twice (lifting weights for 20 minutes on the other two days). The aerobic activity has made it climbing multiple flights of stairs and other "everyday" physical exertions a non-issue.

      Remember that there is more to health than LOOKING healthy, and that is BEING healthy.

      Jethro73

      (now 5'11"/160lbs. and NOT missing sugar a whit)

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    2. Re:6 months ago I was 50 pounds heavier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Which of course means you don't lose any time available for hacking out new code, surfing pr0n, doing machinima or blender applications, writing, or what have you.

      Ever consider that the best hackers are quite physically active as well? The kiddies promote the stereotype; many great experts are quite the mountain climber/biker, skater, etc. I find biking helps my thought and gives me the time to see problems in a different light.

    3. Re:6 months ago I was 50 pounds heavier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I detest sports and am not overly fond of any form of work out that does not involve intimate physical relations."

      I assume you are male...

      I suggest sex with the girl (or guy if you prefer) on top. Get your exercise and get off at the same time.

      By the way, diets that don't involve balanced meals are virtually impossible to maintain. The long term success rate is virtually nil. You need to eat balanced meals AND exercise if you don't want to yoyo.

  166. Dance Dance Revolution! by AtaruMoroboshi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you like video games, Dance Dance Revolution might be the answer for you. It's working for me, (ie, I'm losing weight and feeling better) and in the past I've only been able to stick to an exercise schedule if I was paying for gym access. "Better go exercise, I can't let the monthly fee go to waste!"

    The basic set up for DDR is a pad on the floor with arrows pointing front, back, left & right. The game has over a hundred songs to choose from, with difficulties ranking from 1 to 10 feet, and basic, trick, and maniac modes for each song. There's an immense amount of replay value.

    During the game, arrows scroll up the screen and you hit the arrows on the pad with your feet, in time with the music. For fast songs on difficult settings, this is very challenging, but more to the point: it's exhausting.

    The key to DDR is learning how to keep your balance while hitting all of the arrows. I found that at first, I would bounce my whole body up and down in time with the music. This was exhausting, even on the easy songs. Nowadays, 5 months later, I am playing some fairly hard songs (6 foot songs on basic and trick), and while I am moving significantly more efficiently, the game is still pushing my physical limits of endurance and dexterity.

    Because it is a video game with a scoring system and several levels of difficulty, there is a built in incentive to achieve the next level of ability, whether that means getting an A rank on a song, or trying a 6 foot song for the first time. This keeps me going, as I set goals and attempt perfect runs of my favorite songs. I can easily keep playing for an hour or more, and afterwards I jump right into the shower and cool off.

    Get the home version, a cheap dance pad, and a PSone, and you're set up for $100 (including the PS1!!)

    Run through the lesson mode, and you will learn the basics. If you stick with the game and play at least a couple times a week for 4 months or so, you will definitely lose weight and gain some footwork skills. Not to mention it's fun to show off in the arcade!

    for more info on DDR: http://www.ddrfreak.com/

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    1. Re:Dance Dance Revolution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Excellent advice! The cheap home pad won't last 4 months, though. :-)

    2. Re:Dance Dance Revolution! by AtaruMoroboshi · · Score: 2, Informative



      Excellent advice! The cheap home pad won't last 4 months, though. :-)

      I've been lucky, the $20 pad I got has lasted these 5 months.

      The left arrow is somewhat uncooperative, but it works well enough that I can ignore it. I play out in arcades now a lot because it's a better environment to play in, you can learn tips from other players and the equiptment is better. So I worry about getting A ranks and what not at the arcade.

      The soft pad is slow to recover from hits so I sometimes miss 1/8th notes on fast songs. If you get to the level of skill where this is a problem, you are almost certainly hooked on the game and won't mind buying a nicer pad anyway. ^_^

      I must admit being mighty tempted by those $100 Red Octane pads...

    3. Re:Dance Dance Revolution! by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 1

      There's also the Nintendo Power Pad, circa 1987. All I remember is doing the long jump, running left-right-left-right- ... jump off the pad, watch the guy fly through the air, then jump back on. The trick was knowing just how long you could wait before he would fall. :^)

    4. Re:Dance Dance Revolution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I bought one of the $50 Red Octane pads right off the bat, it is very good. You can do a couple things to a cheap pad that will make it work much better, as I have also done to my pad. Go to Office Max and get one of those plastic non-slip chair mats, and somehow tape the pad to it. This will come in very handy when you start playing 7+ songs (my limit right now is a couple 9's and most 8's). Also you can order this pad cover from Red Octane for like 10 or 15 bucks that is more sturdy than the pad's material, which prevents it from bunching up and getting your feet caught. You can easily homebrew something similar out of any kind of semi-rigid plastic sheet. Tape that down, too, so it doesn't slip around.

    5. Re:Dance Dance Revolution! by DynamiteNeon · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://www.stepmania.com/stepmania/

      You can buy ddr if you want, but this one is open source and lets you get more variety in the music choices. Plus, they include scripts for just about every dance game out there.

      You just have to get a pad and hook it up to your computer.

    6. Re:Dance Dance Revolution! by Trifthen · · Score: 1

      Yes!

      Someone who understands! Secondly, DDR is excessively addictive. I've been playing for hours a day, and am on 7-foot songs now. Trust me on this, too... you feel a lot better.

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    7. Re:Dance Dance Revolution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've played DDR for a few years now and I can pass ANY song at ANY rating. I'm still not as good as the Asian dudes at the local arcades where they have competitions (money/prizes).

      This game has kept me in excellent shape and has made my legs very muscular! I recommend this game to everyone!

    8. Re:Dance Dance Revolution! by digime · · Score: 2, Informative

      Pump it up is another PC version (only for Windows). But you can buy the pad and software in a bundle for pretty cheap.

    9. Re:Dance Dance Revolution! by xnerd00x · · Score: 1

      hey i'm asian, but the best ppl in my arcade are the white guys - well, it's probably b/c they're young and full of energy - but I can still draw a crowd when I do my full combo on trick oni! - well, up to max300 of course, then I fail miserably...

    10. Re:Dance Dance Revolution! by JacktheKeen · · Score: 1

      Though no matter how you mod a soft pad you will never compare to a well built metal pad. If you have $300 to spare you can pick up the uber-ddr pad

    11. Re:Dance Dance Revolution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been doing the DDR thing for years now, but I'm really just now getting back into using it as exercise (thanks cobult flux ^^)...there's something about exercising in a game setting that makes you push yourself to the edge. I was never big on team sports, so I probably missed out on that feeling till DDR.

      A word of warning - although you -can- get set up for $100 or less, and do completely fine and burn off pounds like nobody's business (and there -are- Jared-style success stories from people across the country), if you invest a little more money, you can really make the experience more enjoyable: frustrated because you -know- you hit the arrow but it didn't register? Buy better pads ( www.cobaltflux.com 's are 100% top of the line, and still a -lot- cheaper than most work out equipment. www.redoctane.com has some nice soft pads that are even cheaper and work fine unless you plan on going the distance with the highest difficulty levels). Getting tired of lack-luster/limited song selection? Buy one of the other 2 domestic mixes for the PS1, or DDR Max for your PS2, or check out one of the the 10~ PS1 imports and 2~ PS2 imports, OR go the stepmania (or any other DDR/PIU sim) route with a ps1-to-usb adaptor.

      Even better, many PS1 mixes come with a workout mode that attempts to tell you how many calories you're burning. Obviously, not something to place a great deal of faith in, but it's one more measurement to give you a sense of accomplishment, and hopefully is close enough to the actual to give you a good idea of how you're doing.

      I could go into how the DDR community is another great reason to get into it, but really, the exercise benefits alone should be enough to convince you.
      -ddd

  167. Fist fights are great exercise! by Tragedy4u · · Score: 1

    Here's an idea, you can aleviate both your stress AND get good exercise too. Find a street with some homeless people begging for change and tell them if they want some money they'll have to fight you for it. You'll be buff before you know it and hell if it takes off start and underground club. All your fellow space monkey's need to let off some steam and get fit...remember the first rule is DO NOT talk about Fight Club!

  168. Join a fitness club and work out over lunch by what_the_frell · · Score: 1

    I have access to a fitness club through my benefits provider, and get discount rates at my local club thanks to this company. It's right on my way home from work, and 30 minutes a couple of days a week on the treadmill has done me a lot of good. Cutting back on carbohydrates and eating more fruit and vegetables also helps.

  169. Staying in shape... by larrypatrickmaloney · · Score: 1

    The secret is moving your legs. Moving our legs can greatly improve the keyboard gut. I like to take walks outside the office whenever I can. Not only do I help keep the weight off, it helps with my work. We need to walk at least 20 minutes a day. It is best if you can walk briskly at least 3 hours per week. The bike is a great idea. Biking can burn 1300 - 2000 calories. If you had a bike stashed at the office, you could tool it out for a ride. Of course burning calories isn't the magic bullet for weight loss... The key gentlemen is increasing our Resting Metobalic Rate. When we sit at our keyboards, this rate is drastically lowered. Let me give you a story which might encourage you... I have been working out (body building) and running for the past 4 weeks on a consistant basis. (Off and on for 2 years now) Everyday I got on the treadmill and tried to run 15-20 minutes. Everyday, the same thing, I would get winded, out of breath, I felt like my heart was going to jump through my throat. I had a heart rate of like 180! Then one day, I hopped on, and BOOM! I could run, I could RUN! I didn't feel like I was going to die. I could breath without feeling winded! My heart rate was 130! Oh what glory... This had NEVER happened to me in my life. Even as a teenager. If this has happned to you, you know exactly what I'm talking about. If it hasn't, well, it will, IF you keep it up. Trust me, you will like it. Running can be very fun. BTW: Try speed walking, at 3.5 - 3.8 MPH, it's much easier than running at higher speeds, and you get 90% of the benefit. Hope this helps. (Oh if your wondering at all about BodyBuilding, there is just 1 exercise you can do that will make your life so much better, and that's the "deadlift". If you just do deadlifts a few times a week, your whole body will get stronger. I would like to recommend a great book, it's called "Strength Training Anatomy" It's a very thin book with a Blue cover. It' costs about $29.00 new. Amazon has it, and you can see inside! Check it out... the ISBN is: ISBN: 0736041850 We have the Brains people, now we just need to get the "Body"! :) Oh 1 last thing, chicks do dig hardbodies. Don't believe that BS "sweet" nice guy crap. You can be the biggest prick, and if you have abs, the chicks are on you. Hope this reaches somebody!

  170. Desk with Weights attached by Danathar · · Score: 1

    I can't find the link but there is a manufacturer who makes a big office style desk with weights attached to everything...the phone, file drawers, even the chair is attached. You can set the resistance on all the items so you get a workout while doing office work!

    How long do YOU think you'll stay on the phone when the handle is attached to a 30 pound weight!

  171. This is what I did.... by StressGuy · · Score: 1

    First: I resolved to stop going out to fast food places for lunch and bring my own lunch instead.

    Second: I took to putting my wallet and car keys in my lunch bag so I wouldn't forget to bring it with me when I'd head out the door in the mornings.

    Third: I got myself a new bicycle along with a bike computer/heart rate monitor and a set of rollers (you can use a stationary trainer if you don't want to deal with the learning curve of the rollers). Whenever I could, I'd take a bike ride during my lunch break or, if the weather was bad, ride the rollers instead. When on the rollers, I'd wear the heart rate monitor and try to stay in a good "cardio training zone".

    Fourth: Joined a bike club and did a few longer rides with them on occasion after work. Occasionally, I'd bike commute as well. However, I can get a more consistent workout by leaving my bike at the office.

    STARTING WEIGHT: 196 lbs
    CURRENT WEIGHT: 176 lbs

    Hope this helps,

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  172. Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by selderrr · · Score: 5, Informative

    sounds harsh, but it works. It's all in the mind. The natural reflex of a human is to eat when yuo're hungry. Fight that reflex in 2 ways :

    1. Don't stuff yourself when you're hungry. Eat a little. And eat stuff that contains fewer calories, like fruit or yoghourt.
    2. Learn to appreciate the feeling of a tiny hunger. Consider it a sign from your belly to your brain saying "hey dude : you're losing weight right now ! Keep up the spirit !".

    That, plus exercise offcourse. For myself, I found podBiking a great calory burner : iPod + real bicycle for 2 hours at least. Get a real bike though, not that mountainbike shit. That's for sissies. A racing bike is a bit more expensive, but it's so much more fun to ride since you don't get exhausted from rubbing the asphalt all the time with those huge gripping tires. When i switched from mountainbikes to racebikes, my appetite for cycling doubled. I do twice as many hours now as I did before.

    1. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by PeteyG · · Score: 1

      I've been doing this to help bring my calorie intake down. I am rather hungry right now, and have been for the past two hours. I will eat lunch soon, and then I'll be hungry again a few hours after that.

      Being hungry also seriously makes the food taste better too. I've never been so enthusiastic about canned ravioli!

      So yah. To summerize all the posts here, eat less, exercise more.

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    2. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by EZmagz · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I was going to mod you down, but couldn't help myself...

      podBiking? Get real, my friend. If you're dumb enough to go biking on public roads for 2 hours a day listening to your iPod, don't be surprised when someone like me accidentally swipes you off the road in my '84 Cutlass hoopty. Honestly. There's absolutely no place for people to be biking while listening to music. Nada. Since /.'ers seem to love analogies, podBiking would be the close equivalent of being on a motorcycle while listening to music at full blast and talking on a cell phone. Dangerous, stupid, and setting yourself up for failure.

      And just because you don't like mountain bikes, doesn't mean they're for "sissies". I mountain bike on singletrack TRAILS, where mountain bikes are SUPPOSED to be ridden, and it's great and at least as exhausting as road biking. Trust me. I've done both for a looong time.

      However, your point about not stuffing yourself is a good one. There's a world of difference between eating and being content, and eating and being stuffed. Hence why more frequent smaller meals are better for you than 3 pig-fest buffets. The diabetic diet works for a reason.

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    3. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by jjc2222 · · Score: 1
      Get a real bike though, not that mountainbike shit. That's for sissies. A racing bike is a bit more expensive, but it's so much more fun to ride since you don't get exhausted from rubbing the asphalt all the time with those huge gripping tires.
      The point of a mountain bike is to ride on trails and mountains, not on asphalt. That's why they call it a mountain bike. I can assure you that mountain biking can be just as good a workout (if not better) than road biking. As for mountain biking being for sissies, I highly recommend that you try riding a mountain bike down a rocky mountain trail at 35 mph and then reassessing your assertion. Then, if you think that riding downhill is for sissies, I recommend turning your bike around and trying to climb that same trail.
    4. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Learn to appreciate the feeling of a tiny hunger. Consider it a sign from your belly to your brain saying "hey dude : you're losing weight right now ! Keep up the spirit !".
      Totally agreed. "Eliminate desire" is my mantra -- it works really well on many levels.
      A racing bike is a bit more expensive, but it's so much more fun to ride since you don't get exhausted from rubbing the asphalt all the time with those huge gripping tires. When i switched from mountainbikes to racebikes, my appetite for cycling doubled. I do twice as many hours now as I did before.
      You can always get a good mountain bike with Specialized Nimbus tires -- they are narrow and similar to a road-bike on the regular contact patch, but grippy on the edges. It makes a mountain bike much faster, without completely sacrificing handling in dirt.
    5. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by carlivar · · Score: 1
      real bicycle for 2 hours at least

      Yeah it's great exercise, but there is that nagging problem of impotence.

      Carl

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    6. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by Higman · · Score: 1

      Being hungry like that causes a natural reaction from your body... it goes into starvation mode, reducing your metabolism, and then when you do eat, your body packs it away as fat, because it has no idea when the next time you'll get to eat again is. I don't think this is a good idea at all.

      This strategy is about as sound as throwing up after you eat.

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    7. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by The+Evil+Couch · · Score: 1
      actually, if you make yourself hungry, you'll slow your metabolism down.

      a better answer is to eat just enough each time that you're hungry to feel satisfied and to throw the concept of 3 meals a day away. by constantly throwing a little something into your stomach, your metabolism will speed up, since it's constantly digesting. also, don't worry about finishing meals. just eat until you're not hungry and put the rest in a bag or tupperware for later.

      so long as they're healthy, snacks are good for you. I changed my diet from 3 big meals a day to about 5 small ones and a snack or two and I've dropped 5 percentage points of body fat over 3 months.

    8. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by selderrr · · Score: 1

      don't be surprised when someone like me accidentally swipes you off the road in my '84 Cutlass hoopty.
      Ah, but this is where the difference between USA and the lowlands pops up : here in Belgium (and even more in Holland) we have miles and miles and miles of dedicated 'bike only' tracks of super quality. I can bike all day without doing 1 meter of asphalt that your SUV can drive on. (BTW, no one drives SUVs here. We appreciate the safety of others.) Only when I cross a road is there a danger from bullies like you. Which offcourse makes me double careful.
      As a sidenote : it's exactly the attitude "dumb fucking bikers with they dumb fucking headphones are a danger to themselves, which gives me the right to wipe them of the road from darwinistic perspective" that makes me wanna throw up.

      PS : mountainbikes are for sissies. Mountainbike is a derivative of 'cross country cycling'(CCC) : biking on rough terrain with RACING BIKES. Belgium & holland are specialists in this discipline. We don't need no fsking 7cm tires to ride mud. A few weeks ago I saw an interview with world champion CCC (a Belgian) who was laughing at the american mountainbikers : "yeah occasionaly one of those US hotshots comes over to wipe our asses with this superduper shiny mountainbike. After 45 minutes they usually give up since they simply can't keep up with our speed".

      Did you ever wonder wy the best of the best cyclers come train in the lowlands ? Greg Lemond for instance, lived 25km from our home. Lance Armstrong used to train here a lot too before he moved to france to be closer to the Tour Of France trajectory.

    9. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by selderrr · · Score: 1

      yeah I read that too. But studies have shown that the impotence factor is minimal for men. Its only temporary. Empty your load, make new jiuce and you're set to go make babies... For women, it's a whole other story.
      That whole armstrong comparision is a disgrace. There are hundreds of professional cycles in the Tour of France. How many have had testicle cancer ? I'd like to see a comparision of testicle cancer cases among say golfers for instance...

    10. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by AragornSonOfArathorn · · Score: 1

      Biking on public roads while wearing headphones is not only illegal in most cities, it is a good way to win a Darwin Award.

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    11. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by selderrr · · Score: 1

      here is another point of view. When you do a google on 'bicycle impotence', 99% of the results are based on that one urologist research paper... Looks like true FUD to me. I prefer the quote in the above article :

      "That's an easy one. This whole [impotence-cycling] thing is really out of proportion. In China 90 percent of the male population cycles, and they don't seem to have a problem maintaining the population."
      :-)

    12. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by Sajma · · Score: 1

      People often mistake thirst for hunger. Next time you feel hungry between meals, drink a large glass of water (just keep some at your desk). More often than not, this satisfies the craving. As an added bonus, this forces you to get up every hour or so to pee.

      (while beer has the same effect, it carries the penaly of unnecessary calories)

    13. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only is biking with an iPod stupid, it's also almost certainly illegal. Just about every state in the US has laws requiring that bicyclists and drivers be able to hear around them while on the road. (And yes, that does mean that technically it's illegal to drive with your radio too loud.)

      There are enough stupid people giving cyclists a bad reputation on the road... god help us if they start wearing headphones.

    14. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's absolutely no place for people to be biking while listening to music. Nada. Since /.'ers seem to love analogies, podBiking would be the close equivalent of being on a motorcycle while listening to music at full blast and talking on a cell phone. Dangerous, stupid, and setting yourself up for failure.

      Not every place on earth is as car-dependent as the USA: ever been to Hyde Park in London or Centennial Park in Sydney and left your car-related worries behind?

      Ever stayed on a farm where the nifty BMX trail was the only thing around for miles?

      Ever ridden a bush-track and spent hours without seeing a single person?

      Ever struggled trying reach the top of the half-pipe?

      Jeez, all of those are as dangerous as motorcycling while talking on a phone? You gotta be kidding.

    15. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A Cutlass is not an SUV BTW.

    16. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by jemfinch · · Score: 1

      What, pray tell, makes listening to music while cycling any more dangerous than listening to music while driving? Cyclists have as much a right to use their roads in exactly the same manner as you gas guzzlers.

      If you hit a cyclist, listening to music or not, it's your fault, your negligence.

      Jeremy

    17. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So a thin-framed thin-wheeled racing bike powered by a guy wearing spandex isn't sissy? And a mountain bike is? You're obviously not from the USA. Maybe in some other countries the sissies chop wood and the real men stay at home and sew, but not in mine.

    18. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by Kupek · · Score: 1

      Drivers don't have headphones on; they can hear other things. I don't even think people should run with headphones on. When I pass them while running, I can tell they don't know I'm there.

    19. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus women can't hear potential rapists coming up behind them. Headphones can be a very bad thing.

    20. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you ever wonder wy the best of the best cyclers come train in the lowlands ?

      For the hill work?

    21. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by Cohen · · Score: 1

      even better: get a recumbent bike! www.ihpva.org
      my bike:http://toxy.wurzel6-webdesign.de/english/inde x.htm
      Its a LOT more comfortable, faster and just looks cool....

    22. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt that.
      I've never heard of such a ridiculous law.

      The premise of such a law would be that it's OK to have a loud stereo when driving a car, but when you are on a bike (with your view of traffic no longer obstructed by the car interior and dust or sun on the windows) you are suddenly unsafe unless you can hear traffic.

      Is it illegal for deaf people to ride bikes too?

      If you want a darwin award, just drive everywhere, even to the courner shops, until you get so fat you die of heart disease.

    23. Re:Get hungry and learn to love the feeling by RembrandtX · · Score: 1

      Umm .. I listen to music full blast on my bike, And I would suggest against trying to run me off the road.

      Of course, Its a 1200cc Harley with performance pipes, So its not like listing to headphones is exactly blocking out important noises.

      If someone in a car can talk on a celphone, why cant someone on a bike listen to music ? Technically, a bicycle is considered a vehicle, and they ARE allowed on public roads.

      If a person on a bike wants to take up the lane on a street , they are allowed to as long as they have mirrors on the bike, etc.

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  173. Eat less!!! by Lomby · · Score: 1

    If you eat less and drink only water, you will get better in no time.
    As easy as that!

  174. depending on how you get to and from work by vsigma · · Score: 1

    and what you have to carry - i can recommend these:

    1) get some wrist and ankle weights. Nothing insane mind you.. just like 1-2 lb (or your favourite mass measurement) ones. Wear them while walking to work, and around the office all day.

    2) If you're also consuming beer, I also assume that you eat at non-normal times. What you want to do is to have smaller portions but more of them over the course of the day (i.e. 5 smaller meals, as opposed to 3 larger ones) - as this will kick in your metabolism into a 'consumption' mode for most of the day, as opposed to 'store and hold'.

    3) the water suggestion in place of beer is an excellent suggestion. If water doesn't do it for you - bring in mixes like Tang or KoolAid or what have you. Remember, we're essentially big water processing plants. Doesn't quite matter how the water goes in, just as long as it gets there.

    4) If possible, take the stairs instead of the elevators.

    5) Also cut down on the salt content in general of your food. While this has a larger effect on women (they are more susectible(sp?) to retaining water via salt ions than men) - it will be good for your body regardless.

    obviously, all this can be doable or not, depending on how much other stuff you may need to carry and the environment that you're in.

  175. Kettlebell workout by JerkBoB · · Score: 1

    http://www.dragondoor.com/kettlebells/

    Looks silly, is definitely rough at first, is always potentially dangerous, but is a lot of fun. I hate going to the gym, and don't feel like devoting more than an hour to fitness. Do a 20-40 minute workout with one of these suckers every few days and you'll feel much better. I strongly recommend that you get the book, though, because otherwise you'll hurt yourself.

    I haven't yet managed to hurt myself, other than the blisters which turned into calluses. *knocks on wood*

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    1. Re:Kettlebell workout by caveDan · · Score: 0

      I've been using a 16kg kettlebell for about 6 weeks now. I average 4 20-40 min workouts a week).

      I enjoy the workout and have gotten good results. I've trimmed an inch or so off the old spare tire and hope to do more. I have, at no point, compromised my diet consisting mostly of milkfat and beer.

      Its a very convenient workout compared to the time it takes to go to the gym, run, etc. It takes up next to no space in my rather small home.

      In short (too late) I second the recommendation.

  176. Beer causes beer bellies... who'd have thought? by strAtEdgE · · Score: 1

    'Beer bellies' are caused by food/drinks with yeast, including beer, bread, and the like. It's not an issue of 'fat', it's an issue of bloating in the digestive tract. More info. Cut back on the beer.

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  177. Alter your keyboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Replace the springs under the keys on your keyboard with 5lb tension springs and voila`! You will have the strongest fingers in the office.

  178. This is how I am doing it by Broodje · · Score: 1
    This takes hard work and some motivation, but I found a way. I started at 250lbs and looked like a mess. I have a lot of work to do, but I'm going strong and I feel a lot better. First part: Stop eating junk.
    • Make a grocery list and read the labels. Buy a fitness magazine or a good book on nutrition. Not dieting, not "the zone" type fads, just good nutrition basics for athletes. Make time to go buy good food and prepare it.
    • Under no circumstance allow yourself to be in a situation where you "need" to eat McDonalds or any such establishment. This means prepare your meals at home and bring them to work.
    • Smoothies. Find smoothie recipes, make them in the morning or the night before, bring them to work. Freeze your own bananas, strawberries, etc. cheaper than Jamba Juice and whatnot.
    • Drink Water. Lots of it.
    • Limit beers to 2 a night. Max. If you stop drinking, you will lose the first 10lbs in a flash.

    Second part: join a Gym and plunk the $ for a trainer.

    Its worth it. I arranged to work from 7am to 4pm, so I can duck out early and hit the gym every day before the 5pm crowd gets there. I don't miss and I work my ass off. Chewing gum and taking the stairs instead of the elevator won't cut it, you need to workout. In a gym.
    That's just what I've been doing for the last 4 months. I realize I am no authority, but this has worked out for me.

    This isn't black magic, there are no tricks, no expensive home-gym solutions. Just hard work. -broodje
  179. Bodyweight exercises by Chewie · · Score: 1

    Okay, first issue is what several other people have said: If you don't like getting looks in the office, work out somewhere else.

    On an actually helpful note, check this: Combat Conditioning

    Matt Furey is a personal trainer and champion wrestler/grappler. Try to ignore the old snake-oil salesman style of the pitch. The point is that the book has a bunch of exercises using only your bodyweight as resistance. They build muscle mass (which helps burn off that pesky fat while providing definition), you can do them every day, and when you start out, you probably won't be able to work any longer than 10-15 minutes. I've been using them, and the energy/strength increase is amazing.

    Of course, there aren't too many exercises in there that the Marines haven't used. Either ship your ass off to Parris Island, or find some local former jarhead to work out with you. That's what I do, and they can *motivate* you.

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    1. Re:Bodyweight exercises by Urox · · Score: 1

      it is possible to have muscle mass under fat. To burn fat, you need both the muscle and the aerobic conditioning. I could only drop to 155 when working weights every day. With aerobics, I dropped to a lean 145.

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    2. Re:Bodyweight exercises by Chewie · · Score: 1

      Oh, I'm well aware (I have that muscle-under-fat build myself). There are two points to my advocacy of bodyweight exercises: 1) The muscle burns more calories than the fat, so if you keep your food intake the same, you will drop. 2) You *are* getting aerobic exercise when you do most bodyweight exercises, especially when you combine them with proper breathing. Besides, even if you still have 10lbs of excess fat, isn't that better than the 20, 30, 40lbs or more that some people (myself included) need to lose?

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    3. Re:Bodyweight exercises by Urox · · Score: 1

      Another problem is knowing what is fat pounds and what is muscle pounds. At that time of weight training only, I would drop to 155, and then start going back up to hit 160 or 165... fat weight 3 times as much as muscle. Personally, I prefered the 145. And it is harder for women to lose fat from certain areas of their body whether there is muscle there or not. It was only through two hours of dancing every day for about three months that I actually lost the fat on my thighs.

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    4. Re:Bodyweight exercises by Chewie · · Score: 1

      Well, *traditional* density measurements indicate that muscle weighs more than fat. You are right, however, that it can be hard to tell, so to get accurate results, you need hydrostatic or caliper fat content tests.

      And yes, there are traditional trouble spots for both sexes. Women tend to gain weight in the thighs and rear, whereas men tend to get the "keg on stilts" look. Overall, I merely refer to *general* fat loss, not targeting any particular areas.

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  180. Buy a Wok by corebreech · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A wok is the Atkin's dieter's best friend.

    Basically, with Atkins all you get to eat is meat and vegetables.

    A wok makes making a meal out of meat and vegetables fast, easy and fun. Twenty minutes, including clean up, and you get a cheap and nutritious meal.

    Best of all, you don't need a cookbook! Half the fun is just picking shit at random out of the grocery and throwing it in the wok and then experimenting with how to spice it up so it tastes the best.

  181. easy to say... difficult to do (consistently) by bigdave64 · · Score: 1

    Three things:

    When you get a meal, get a portion (or only eat) one-half to two-thirds of what you normally eat.

    Leave the office at lunchtime and go for a 30 - 45 minute walk. This will also clear your brain and make you more effective in the afternoon.

    Hardest of all, reduce the beer intake by at least half! Get rid of beer in your home. Only drink when you go out somewhere. Instead of ordering two or three rounds, just order one. Go out half as often as you used to.

  182. Handball by Stalus · · Score: 1

    Find someone to teach you handball. You can break a sweat just practicing a drive serve, it's a full body workout, and damn fun to boot. Heck, it even gives your eyes some exercise after staring at a screen all day. Frankly, handball is the answer to everything :P

  183. No Magic Bullets by 4of12 · · Score: 1

    It's great that you've started to exercise already. Keep at it!

    I usually just dedicate a couple hours each day to going to they gym, working out with weights or on the cardio equipment, taking a shower. I find it really improves my outlook at work. If you can do it mid-afternoon that's great, but not everyone has such a flexible schedule.

    Diet is incredibly important. I haven't given up on beer, but I steer clear of refined starches as much as possible (sugar, white flour) potatoes should hardly enter your diet.

    Eat lots of lean meat and raw vegetables and fruits, drink lots of water.

    You'll look better and you'll feel better.

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  184. Ditto. by slyckshoes · · Score: 1

    I too go to the gym three times a week and work out with free weights. I started doing it in college two years ago and the difference it makes in my life it totally worth it. I've found that being disciplined in one area of my life carries over into the others. If you get up at 6 or so in the morning and exercise you will feel better and think better. If you want to run/bike on Tues/Thurs/Sat (to supplement your working out on Mon/Wed/Thurs) you'll be losing fat as well as building muscle.

    If you can find a friend or two to join you in your exercise you will probably find that your life is enriched by deeper friendships as well. My lifting partners from college are some of my closest friends now, even though we weren't terribly friendly to each other at 6 in the morning.

    1. Re:Ditto. by cpeterso · · Score: 1


      Do you eat breakfast before or after your workout? I've tried working out in the morning, but it only made me feel sick. If I skipped breakfast, I was starving and sick. If I ate first, I was too full.

      I now do my workouts at night, but finding the time and energy after a long workday is difficult. I like the idea of working out in the morning, when there are no distractions and I'm then pumped for the rest of the day. :-)

    2. Re:Ditto. by Dastardly · · Score: 1

      Do you eat breakfast before or after your workout? I've tried working out in the morning, but it only made me feel sick. If I skipped breakfast, I was starving and sick. If I ate first, I was too full.

      I swim, and prefer working out on an empty stomach. I swam mornings for a while and was unmotivated because dragging my butt out of bed at 6 am sucked. I did enough of that crap when I was swimming in college. I prefer swimming after work and don't have problems with time or energy. I say workout at whatever time you feel best.

      Dastardly

    3. Re:Ditto. by slyckshoes · · Score: 1

      I generally eat breakfast after working out. I would encourage you to eat something light before working out in the morning to help prevent that sick feeling. Maybe a granola bar? Maybe all you need is some sugar in your system, then a tablespoon of honey might do the trick. Working out in the morning is just a personal preference, if it's easier for you in the night, go for it. I also find I feel better during the day if I've already worked out.

  185. Use fear of redicule as your motivation by GuyMannDude · · Score: 1

    Personally, I sit at a computer desk for 10 hours a day with very little actual work. Your also started to get a little belly and out of shape. I know it's real bad in my office, especially with all the beer I consume. What do you do to stay in shape? Any secrets, acessories? Recently I've started to do sit ups, push ups, and running up and down the stairs. I get alot of odd looks and would prefer something that doesn't make the whole office stare at me. I've looked through some websites with equipment, but it's all serious equipment I can't/won't lug into work. Any suggestions?

    I have my doubts that this is a serious request but I'll answer it as if it was. You apparently are looking for "secrets, accessories" that will help you get back in shape such that you don't have to give up beer, can do it in your office, and won't get any strange looks. Quite frankly, you're asking too much. You're going to have to give up something. I know that's not what you wanted to hear, but, hey, life is tough sometimes.

    I'd suggest you look at your restrictions and decide which is less painful for you to eliminate. You can either eat better, go to a gym after work, or put up with strange looks from collegues. Quite frankly, I would suggest continuing to work and enduring the stares of your office workers. Why? Because you will feel silly if you do all this stuff and DON'T lose weight! Fear of being rediculed by your officemates will keep you from doing a half-assed job of working out. You might look silly doing exercies but if you succeed in getting back into shape, you'll be surprised at how favorably your associates will respond.

    I think you're on the right track by going up and down the stairwell during lunch break. Remember to keep going for a minimum of 20 minutes at a time, though, so that your body gets the necessary energy from burning fat stores rather than carbohydrate/glycogen.

    GMD

  186. How to get exercise at work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First, you need to take a mag like Road & Track, and pull the cover off. Wrap it arround you fav porn, either mag or downloads.

    Take the last stall, preferably the handicap, more room. Wrap your death grip around your tool and stroke.

  187. The Drop Dead Diet by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 1

    Try the Drop Dead Diet. It's guaranteed to work, and to be the last diet you ever try.

  188. Gym time baby! by Azmodai · · Score: 1

    Everyone in this world is looking for that secret shortcut. Well, here's a newsflash! There is no secret pill! It takes discipline, hard work, and a will of iron, harder than the iron you pump in the gym.

    I personally have a desk job and I work out 7 days a week. I plan on competing next year as well. But I go during my lunch break as well as before work. (The last thing I want to do at the end of the day is workout).

    So get off your lazy ass and go get a gym membership and quit trying to find the shortcut.

  189. Eeeeew! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    The only thing worse than a computer geek is a sweaty computer geek.

    1. Re:Eeeeew! by jazman_777 · · Score: 1
      The only thing worse than a computer geek is a sweaty computer geek.

      How can you tell the difference?

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  190. Keep it simple... by cornice · · Score: 1

    Think about the things you can do that require hard physical effort. Forget the machines. They mostly make you feel good when you buy them but most people don't use them when they realize they require effort. Push-ups, sit-ups and such will tone but won't shed much weight. They're good but not everything. Stairs are great but you have to do it for more than a few minutes to to burn enough calories. I would do what you're doing and add some running and/or walking. I bike to work too which does wonders. I would spend 20 minutes driving each way. I spend 35 minutes biking so I essentially get over half of my workout for free (in terms of time). I have a couple small dumbells in my cube and a pullup bar (cool. even my boss and the owner come by and hang out ;-) The mini workouts that I do in my cube don't add up to much but I feel better and I get enough distraction to not graze as much as I might.

  191. Diet and Excersize by Ageless · · Score: 1

    I started dieting just over a month ago with the goal to lose all the weight I have gained over the last 7 years or so. It's working out wonderfully. I've lost about 20 pounds so far and it's been fairly easy. Here is my trick:

    1) Stop eating so damn much.
    2) Get some excersize.

    To expand on that a little, before I started dieting I had a pretty standard IT guy diet. I went to a shitty restaurant for lunch almost every day (Applebee's, Chili's, Chipotle, Fuddruckers) and I would eat something terrible like pizza, or Wendy's or something for dinner. Some beers to polish off the evening and I had no problem keeping a giant belly on me.

    Now I drink a Slim Fast shake for breakfast because it's cheap, and I can take it in the car with me on the way to work. I have a turkey sandwich for lunch from the deli downstairs (a friend of mine goes to Subway for a turkey sandwich every day and he's losing weight too) and I have either a Healthy Choice frozen meal or a big sandwich for dinner. I'll have a handful of pretzels and mustard for a snack if I am hungry, or some yogurt or whatnot.
    Skip normal soda, juice and beer. Huge amounts of calories there and you consume them without even realizing it. Drink diet soda for a week and you will forget that it sucks. Drink more water. Drink black coffee if you are hungry. The heat and the caffeine will knock off your appetite for a while.

    That might sound kind of boring, but it's not going to be my life. I take in about 1200 calories a day now which is quite a deficit from what I was taking in. I am never starving during the day and although I do feel hungry more often it's very bearable.

    So that's diet. For excersize I go to the gym every day over lunch with a friend. Gym is about 15 minutes away and I take an hour lunch so I get to work out for about 30 minutes. Most days I lift weights and if I don't feel like doing that I'll walk on a treadmill. Nothing major and I feel good afterwards.

    I'm not saying this is the answer to everything, but it's working for me and it feels "right". No gimmicks, or special machines or drugs. Just eat less food and get some excersize. If you can't go to the gym over lunch then go for a long walk when you get home. Spend less time playing EverQuest, or IRCing, or whatever. You'll find you don't miss that stuff at all once you start to feel better and look better. You need to drop 500 calories a day to lose 2 lbs a week, which is considered healthy weight loss. 500 calories is pretty easy if you think about it. That's 3.5 beers, or Cokes, or 1 soft pretzel, or 30 minutes on the treadmill. Find something you can live with and it's no problem.

    Check out http://www.fitday.com too. You can make a free account and it's very handy for getting a good idea of how much food you are taking in and how much you are burning. It was very valable for me the first few days to determine what was good and what was bad.

    1. Re:Diet and Excersize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1200 calories is WAY too low, unless you are a tiny 4-foot woman. You are screwing your metabolism, and your muscle is shrinking away to nothing.

  192. You're not going to like this... by Unknown+Kadath · · Score: 1

    ...but have you considered eating less?

    Not a jab at your eating habits--but since you have a sedentary job (like I do), chances are you're taking in way more calories than you need, especially if you're an American. Cutting a couple hundred calories a day can do wonders for weight loss. Assuming you don't way overeat already, even skipping that daily candy bar can have an effect on your waistline. (I haven't come across an office-friendly way to put in a good 40 minutes of cardio every day--which is really what you want for some serious fat-burning.)

    That said...consult a doctor or a personal trainer. /. is a lousy place to go looking for advice on physical activity.... ;)

    -Carolyn

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  193. Is this a trick question? by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 1
    Very easy.
    1. Stop with the beer, soda (even diet), juice. Drink water. Drink milk with meals. You'll get used to it within a week.
    2. Exercise. Duh. Not just aerobic type stuff but work with weights. Muscles burn calories so if you build more muscles you'll burn more calories. Don't make the excuse you can get to a gym or exercise - it's simply not true.
    3. No late night snacks. Stop eating at 8 or 9pm or so, depending on when you go to bed.
    4. Get enough sleep. Lack of sleep will slow your metabolism down.
    5. Chart your progress, every day. Get up in the morning, pee, get naked, weigh yourself, enter into spreadsheet, review graph.
    6. Eat enough for 1 person, not two. Cut back at lunch or dinner, your choice. When I was losing weight I'd eat a smallish lunch or drink a Costco diet shake and that would carry me to dinner where I'd enjoy a good portion with the family.
    7. Understand there will be times your weight goes up (especially when you first start). Don't get too discouraged (some discouragement is inevitable).
    8. Admit it, you're a lard ass. Do something about it. It's hard and will take time and effort but the results are worth it.
  194. Power your PC with peddals by Danathar · · Score: 1

    Get a peddal attached flywheel that creates power. Install it underneath your desk and plug your PC into it. As long as you peddal, your PC stays on!

    Instant excercise! And Environmentally friendly too...well that is untill you reek of Body Odor..

  195. Take the stairs by RainbowSix · · Score: 4, Informative

    Never take the elevator. Ever. Do you work on the 30th floor of an office building? Run them to get to your work area, then run them to and from lunch, then run them when you go home. 120 flights of steps right there. If you're like me and you live in an apartment, take the steps there every time you leave or come home, and when you are swapping laundry from washer to drier. It adds up very quickly. Last year I lived on the 9th floor and I took them at least 6 times a day to and from class, and to and from activities. 54 flights of steps a day.

    Next time you walk past the elevator or are in an elevator, take a look around: what type of people are the ones taking the elevator up one story?

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    1. Re:Take the stairs by AppyPappy · · Score: 1

      I used to walk up the 11 flights of stairs but I determined that I SMELLED like I just walked up 11 flights. But I never take an elevator down.

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    2. Re:Take the stairs by davew2040 · · Score: 1

      I honestly don't think that running up 30 flights of stairs is for everyone. Walking might be acceptable, but I think that running is probably overdoing it. In fact, not only does it open up the possbility for a stress injury, but it opens up the possibility of falling down a flight of stairs.

    3. Re:Take the stairs by kstumpf · · Score: 1

      As an added bonus, coworkers will really appreciate your 30 flights worth of sweat as you sit in your cube and rot in your own liquid filth!

    4. Re:Take the stairs by bluGill · · Score: 1

      Just be careful. I used to live on the 8th floor, and never took the elevators. (not at all once I discoverd a group of students got an unexcused absense for their final exam while they were stuck in an elevator) Then I got good at runing up and down stairs until one day I attempted to skip 5 stairs, missed my landing and ended up with a sprained ankle.

      So don't skip more than 4 stairs at once. Better yet don't try to strech how many you can skip, hitting every stair might be too slow when you are in shape, but know your limits. Yes I could run up the entire 8 flights of stairs without problem, I beat the elevator several times.

  196. Re:I'll fsck your girlfriend for you by Scalli0n · · Score: 1

    Kinda like this?

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  197. drink your beer faster by donkiemaster · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you just pound like 5 beers in about 5 minutes you can get pretty drunk and still have your beer. It even works with light beer! And it's fun. I tried that century club thing where you drink 100 ounces in 100 minutes, except i thought it was 100 ounces in an hour. Needless to say I was pretty hammered, and also very full. Came very close to rejecting the last few. But it was awesome because I didn't need to drink like 15 or 20 to get really drunk! Highly Recommended!!!!!

  198. Jogging by Zepalesque · · Score: 1

    Certainly not for everyone (heaven knows it is like pulling teeth getting my gf to run with me). But if you don't find the idea entirely repulsive, jogging is a fantastic way to keep in shape, despite long stretches in the cube.

    It really does not take that much time out of your day; probably 20-30 minutes a few times a week. The challenge is getting over the physical learning curve - the first few outtings can be a pain. You're familiar with steep learning curves (emacs, mfc, LFS, etc...), right?

    As Richard Dawson once said, "It's time to start running!"

  199. Rule of Thumb by KFCKilla · · Score: 1
    I think that the old rule of thumb says that if you are not already 25 lbs overweight, simply consuming 10 times your body weight (lbs) in Calories will make you lose small amounts of weight each week. Example: A 6 ft male weighing 180 lbs would lose weight by simply consuming 1800 Calories a day.

    If that doesn't work, or if it leaves you too hungry, you're going to have to exercise as well.

    If that doesn't work, a good heroin habit always seems to help celebrities lose weight.

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  200. Simple things to do to keep in shape: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - Park your car in the first parking spot you find at the mall, and briskly walk the rest of the way. Walking raises your heartbeat quickly to about 100 beats a minute, even if you're in shape.
    - Use the stairs instead of the elevator.
    - If you live within 5 miles of work, bike to work. If your grocery store is within 5 miles, bike there with a backpack (unless you were looking for the 10 gallon bag of ice)
    - If the place is within a mile, walk.
    - At work, get up at least every hour to get a small glass of water, soda, coffee, whatever floats your boat. The idea is to get out of the chair and walk around. The smaller the glass, the more often you have to make the trip. It also takes your mind of work and allows you to refocus.
    - During lunch hour, while everyone is either sitting in the cafeteria or at their desk eating, go to the gym. If you don't have a gym, run around the building. People get used to seeing you do laps, and will be jealous they didn't get the idea first.
    - At home, do sit-ups, crunches, squats, push-ups. None of them require any equipment, and can be done while watching friends/farscape/pr0n.

    The idea is to keep moving. It doesn't have to be hardcore, marathon style workouts. All you need is to get your body moving so that the heart rate goes up, your metabolism quickens, and you use all those fancy muscles that you already have. And if you want to keep your waistline in check, here's some simple food tips:
    - instead of twix and snickers, have carrots and beef jerky (the good stuff) nearby.
    - drink water instead of soda.
    - hold the mayo on the burger and get vinaigrette for your salad instead of ranch.
    - when cooking yourself, go get the good stuff - low fat meat, whole grain bread and pasta, etc. You get what you pay for.

    This won't turn you into Bruce Lee or Ahnuld, but it will keep you from turning into Roseanne or a sea cow.

  201. Common sense... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

    1. drink less beer.

    Beer's just empty calories/joules. If you don't put it on then you don't have to burn it off.

    2. Work at work, exercise at home or at the gym.

    You're being paid to do a job at work, so do that. If you want a workout then the office isn't the place to do it.

    If you carry on with your workplace workouts, at best people will think that you're an odd-ball. At worst you'll get labelled as someone who's too busy burning fat to do their real job or just too screwy to keep around. Either way, it can't enhance your standing with your co-workers, boss and HR department.

    If you really must exercise during the day join a gym near work and go regularly, before or after work, or perhaps even lunchtime. At least that way you'll get into a rythym that will help you stay in shape.

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    "Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
  202. No secret by Superfreaker · · Score: 1

    To lose weight do one of the following:
    - Eat Less
    - Do more physical activity

    Aren't we geeks supposed to be smart?

  203. Here's how, eat and eat often by Jonavin · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the past six months I've lost about 30lbs and 4 inches off my waste (sic - pun intended).

    I used to skip breakfast and just have lunch and dinner. Now I eat a big breakfast, 2nd breakfast, lunch, snack, dinner, evening snack, mid-night snack. Oh, I also go to the gym 3 to 4 times a week (averaging about 1hr each).

    There's no other way. No fade diet is going to work. I eat plenty of carbs and plenty of meat. Haagen Daaz as mid-night snack? No problem. KFC? Twice a week.

    See, the one thing I've learned is that if you are going to make any changes to your life, it better be a change that you can keep up for the rest of your life. Once you fall off a "fad diet" you'll be back worst than you started.

    For those who wants to lose a few inches off their waist, skip teh situps and crunches. They've never worked for me. Just lows of low impact cardio exericise and some weight training to increase muscle mass will do it.

    BTW, I had 4 slices of pizza for lunch today.

    1. Re:Here's how, eat and eat often by zuhl · · Score: 1

      Now I eat a big breakfast, 2nd breakfast, lunch, snack, dinner, evening snack, mid-night snack.

      I think you forgot elevensies. (token Tolkien reference!)

      I started trying to lose weight about a year ago and I have had enormous success! I've lost over 50 pounds, 6 or so inches off the waist and I had to buy all new clothes. Which, for the first time in a while was actually fun! My wife thinks I look hot, which is also fun.

      Basically, I did the "Body for Life" thing, with more emphasis on aerobic stuff. (I run over 30 miles a week, which is more than the Body for Life stuff would have you doing.) I don't really like lifting weights too much, but I like running, even on a treadmill. Though seeing muscles on my body is a weird thing. For a while I would catch a glance at myself in the mirror and not recognize myself. Very odd.

      And, I've found that when you burn a ton of calories (like over 800 calories per gym session), it doesn't even matter what I eat. I can totally scarf down pizza and still not gain anything back. But I still try and eat healthy (salads, lots of water, etc.). Losing wieght and getting in shape has been the best thing I've ever done for myself. Hard to do at first, the first 2 weeks about killed me, but I'd never go back.

  204. Don't try to do it at work by JohnGrahamCumming · · Score: 1

    My advice is to not bother trying to do this at work, what you need to do is separate taking exercise from your working environment. I was in the same position as you and took the following actions:

    1. Stop drinking sugary soda. Yep, this pretty much sucks at the beginning since it's so addictive but you need to replace soda with water. A can of coke is 140 Calories, a glass of water 0. I still find this tough and get tempted by soda but the key to converting to water was two steps for me: firstly I drank very cold carbonated water instead of soda, then after months switched to plain water. I also told someone (in the company I was working for I had a personal assistant, I told her) what I was doing so that they could stop me if they saw me with a Coke.

    2. Get a gym membership. Find a gym with good personal trainers and sign up for both. A personal trainer really keeps you focused and after 6 months you'll be strong, fit and able to train yourself. This is expensive but in my experience well worth it. I go to the gym before work, which is hard, but great because doing hard physical exercise totally focuses your mind afterwards.

    3. Don't skip breakfast. This meal is really important to keeping your energy up all day. A really good start is oatmeal with a little sugar and/or a banana sliced up into it. Oatmeal will give you energy for a lot of the day. Skipping breakfast gets things off to a bad start.

    4. Geek out on the stats. Use some charting software to track your progress... chart your weight, LDL/HDL cholesterol, max weight you can bench press, resting heart rate etc. and turn exercising into a geek activity.

    Good luck,
    John.

  205. Out Of Office by jmoriarty · · Score: 1

    You might want to consider something outside the office. Yes, it can be very difficult on top of a 10 hour workday, but exercising is more than just losing your gut.

    A good exercise program will reduce stress, clear your mind, increase your lifespan, give you more energy, and make you feel better from top to bottom. Exercising completely apart from work helps keep work off of your mind, and reduces distractions.

    Try joining a gym or finding a personal trainer. That will help you set up clear goals to meet (a great motivator) and give you someone to meet for a regular appointment. Having someone you need to meet makes it tougher to just "skip it".

    A personal favorite of mine is to find a martial arts studio between your work and home. Martial arts can not only be good cardio and strength training, but you get self defense training as a bonus. (And you can picture your boss when you work the heavy bag)

    Doing something after work like this takes a little more commitment, but it can really pay off dividends and help restore some work/life balance. Don't short-change your health.

  206. Lug the equipment... by lewiz · · Score: 1

    I got it!

    Contrary to popular belief that ``exercise equipment'' doesn't help at all (except your conscience ;) I reckon in you case it would: just buy the crap (who cares what it is) and lug it to/from work every day on the back of your bike*. You'll be fit as a fiddle in no time at all...

    * don't own a bike? Well, buy one and lug that...

  207. Get an open source life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's great! An open source life. Imagine opening your life to being controlled by the community at large, telling you what to do, where to work, who to date, what to eat...oh, wait a sec...

  208. Techniques that I use.. by lordmage · · Score: 1

    1. Find a game that you can play at lunch. Request your company get a Ping Pong table or a Foosball table. Believe it or not, they are activities that help.

    2. NO SODA. Water WATER WATER water.

    3. Meat based sandwitches for lunch, no CARBS. Keep carbs low.

    4. Decent dinner but try and keep PASTAS and Potatoes and BREAD low.

    5. Did I mention no SODA's?

    6. Get into a Duffer Softball League. It helps.

    Sugar and Grains = FAT for us Computer Programmer Geek Types.

    Down from 330 to 290 using this in 3 months. WEEEEEEEEE

    - You could not program your way outta a hello world contest.

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    1. Re:Techniques that I use.. by EllF · · Score: 2, Informative
      A low carbohydrate diet is a good way to wean off excess pound if you are seriously overweight, but it's horrendously unhealthy for the average person. The primary reason you lose weight with such a plan is because you're starving your body -- carbohydrates are a vital source of energy.

      Eating large smounts of meat is probably not the best thing you can do, either -- it's more healthful to eat a moderate amount as part of a balanced diet, heavy on fruit, with a good mix of grains, proteins, and greens.

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    2. Re:Techniques that I use.. by _prime · · Score: 1

      Low carb is horrendously unhealthy?
      I don't think so: carbodyrates are not an essential nutrient for the body. Vitamins, yes. Minerals, yes. Fatty acids, yes. Protien, yes. Carbs, no. Your body can survive and flourish quite happily if you get enough calories from protein and healthy fats.

      Given our culture and typical eating habits it's not practical or advisable to eliminate high carbs food sources totally, but the body is quite capable of handling it. We've been worshipping carbs the last few decades as a result of the crusades against fat, but their importance has been overstated.

  209. I feel your pain... by LLWhipist · · Score: 1

    Same thing here but I've been making small gains.

    I try and force myself to take a 2km (1.2mile) walk/jog/run with my dog every morning (although I missed today, grr). Since I do it before I go to work, I still have time for a shower if I get up a good sweat. I'm telling myself I'll increase the distance when I bring it down to 10 minutes or less (10m14s is the best so far) consistently.

    If I have to talk to someone one off in the office, I get up and walk to their desk instead of using (enter tool of choice I use centericq) to message them.

    At lunch, even if I only have a few minutes I try and go for a walk. We are lucky and have showers here, but not everyone does so walk instead of run and wind up all sweaty.

    Drink more water, less pop.

    Drink good beer... well, really, you aren't quitting drinking beer if you enjoy it, so why bother drinking the crap beer if you are doing all this extra work so you can enjoy it. Personally, I like a nice black and tan if you have a good local stout. A lager goes well with curry though so that's to be considered.

    I do agree with the poster who suggested it's ok to look like an idiot exercising... better than looking like an idiot dying of a heart attack.

    luck.

  210. Don't Be Selfish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Give your job to one of the hungry, desperate people from India, you know, the ones who work for $1/day. Then you'll have all day long to exercise.

    Oh, I'm sorry, they haven't told you yet about the next round of layoffs?...

  211. Re:While not a complete solution by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 1

    Yes, it works! I remember many years ago reading that humans can burn 80 calories an hour just by fidgeting. I fidget a lot, and without exercise I have no trouble burning off the calories from hamburgers, pizza and beer. The only drawback is that people think you are super-nervous. :^)

  212. Don't eat after 5 PM... by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

    I took off about 40 lbs. in 6 months using this method... and lay off the sugars in the evening.

    If you wish to exercise do so in the morning when your body is depeleated of carbohydrates.

    Eat something small in the morning, as it will speed up your metabolism more quickly than if you skip breakfast.

    East small portions of food throughout the day.

    Follow these guildines and I guarantee you will lose weight.

  213. Bicycle commuting by steveha · · Score: 1

    I'll second the idea of bicycling to work. I was working far too many hours at a desk, and I started riding a bike to work; it made a difference for me.

    It took me 20 minutes to drive to that job, or about 50 minutes to ride my bike to that job. So biking really only cost me a net 30 minutes each way. I spent 60 minutes to get 100 minutes of exercise; such a deal.

    I was riding 10 miles each way to work. If you live too far away from work, do a bus/bike or car/bike combination: ride partway on the bus or car, then go the rest of the way on your bike. (I'm assuming that the buses near you have bike racks on the front, like the ones near me. If not, maybe you can arrange to store a bike somewhere that the bus can take you to.)

    The secret of happy bike commuting is in the equipment. You need good clothing, including rain gear (jacket, helmet cover, shoe covers, etc.). You also need a good bike, with fenders and a cargo rack.

    Stash some clothes at work, so you don't have to haul lots of clothing every day when you ride.

    Bicycling is a good aerobic exercise, great for burning calories. It will work even better if you can combine it with weight lifting or some other exercise that works your arms, back, etc. and not just your legs and cardiovascular system.

    steveha

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  214. No secret. by dethkultur · · Score: 1
    It's not rocket science - eat less if you want to lose weight, or burn more calories. A good start would be to park your car at the far end of the parking lot.


    And then eat a salad for lunch, or bring one in.


    The truth hurts, and the truth is there's no easy way to get in shape, it takes some sweat, some time and it takes some work. If your job is to sit in front of a computer all day, here's a newsflash - you aren't going to get exercise at the same time. Get over that and you won't have any problems.


    If it helps do something way out of the ordinary that invloves your brain more than counting reps. Try some boxing or try some jiu-jitsu (hey if you are going to learn to fight learn something that works in the real world). Take some scuba classes. Try some easy mountain climbing. Volunteer for habitat for humanity in the sun. Start training for a half-marathon (it's easier than you think to get started). Just get the message that there's no easy way out.

  215. veg by inicom · · Score: 1

    1) don't eat meat. How many fat vegetarians do you know? The number one way of getting too many calories is to have meat as part of your diet.

    Check out the The Physicians Commitee Vegeatarian Started Kit or The PETA Vegetarian Starter Kit.

    2) Stop eating excess sugars (i.e. soda, candy).

    3) When you eat, eat big foods (cauliflower, broccoli, lettuce, cabbage) that fill you up but have low caloric density. Drink a glass of water before you eat.

    3) Exercise more. Don't sit if you can walk, don't walk if you can run, don't use the elevator if you can use the stairs, don't use the phone/email if you can walk over to their office/cubicle. If you can ride your bike or walk to work, do it! And realize that you are able to do something that most people wish they could do!

    I say these things as someone who weighs the same as I did in High School, 23 years later. (good god, has it been that long!??) Oh, and I'm in way better shape now than I was then.

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    -a.e.mossberg
    1. Re:veg by inicom · · Score: 1

      Quick Addendum

      For those that would suggest the Atkins Diet, which is basically LOTS OF MEAT and NO CARBS!
      Yes, it appears to work, but it just forces your body to fully process the calories in the meat. It's is not efficient, nor healthy in the long term. The human body (and colon) is designed for a omnivorous diet, not a carnivorous one.

      I personally would never choose live-slaughtered dead cow over french fries or a scalded-to-death chicken over a nice loaf of french bread and a glass of red wine.

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      -a.e.mossberg
    2. Re:veg by Darken_Everseek · · Score: 1

      "The human body (and colon) is designed for a omnivorous diet, not a carnivorous one."

      Sorry, but coming from a vegetarian; I can't help but find that amusing. I've nothing against the lifestyle; but you could at least respect those of us who enjoy eating meat.

    3. Re:veg by IceAgeComing · · Score: 1

      Look up "omnivorous" and you'll realize your post makes no sense.

    4. Re:veg by finkployd · · Score: 1

      which is basically LOTS OF MEAT and NO CARBS!

      Sort of wrong, and wrong.

      Lots of meat? Well certainly it proposes that you eat meat since you are cutting out complex carbs and getting energy from protein. Personally since starting Atkins I don't eat any more meat than I used to, i just eat a ton more veggies. I also eat more fish too I guess but it is hard to argue that fish is unhealthy. For that matter fruits are ok, they have carbs true, but they have simple carbs, which are cool by the atkins diet. You should have them in moderation true, but that is the case with everything in my opinion. I guess in a day I eat more veggies than anything, followed by some form of meat and fruit. I also eat some complex carbs (bread, potatoes, pasta) but I try to really keep that in check. Atkins isn't about no carbs, it is about limited carbs, specifically complex carbs.

      A lot of really uninformed rants have been written about how evil Atkins is, but it is not that bad if you actually look at it. It is no magic bullet and probably shouldn't be taken to an extreme, but it obviously works for a lot of people.

      Finkployd

    5. Re:veg by Darken_Everseek · · Score: 1

      omnivorous - eating both animal and vegetable foods

      The poster is a vegetarian; claiming that the human body wasn't build to digest only meat. Agreed; my amusement comes from the human body not being built to digest only vegetable matter either.

      You were perhaps thinking of 'herbivorous' ?

    6. Re:veg by inicom · · Score: 1

      No, I didn't. Thanks for asking. Look up references on the design of the human digestive system and why eating meat is bad for it.

      Look up references to the pounds and pounds of putrefying meat that is in the typical colon because of grossly excess meat (and inadequate fiber) consumption.

      Try to find a site with pictures. You'll enjoy it.

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      -a.e.mossberg
    7. Re:veg by spokes · · Score: 1

      Well he's snapping at you, but as his fellow vegetarian (level 5 here), I must say I was also amused by his nonsensical comment. :)

    8. Re:veg by Darken_Everseek · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, I've missed what you're claiming not to have done? -- "No, I didn't. Thanks for asking."

      I really don't take objection to vegetarianism in moderate forms; however there are studies showing that veganism is just as unhealthy an extreme as a carnivorous diet. There's nothing physiologially wrong with moderate comsumption of meat. My objection comes from your comments: "live-slaughtered dead cow" and "scalded-to-death chicken", along with references to a PETA "meatstinks" website. You imply that -any- meat consumption is a bad thing.

      It's a lifestyle choice, and while free speech gives you the right to speak condescendingly of those who don't share it, common sense states that you should avoid doing so; all you do is piss us off, and make us less likely to see the merits of your arguments.

      The amusement came from the rather glaring contradiction in the text of your post (if not the meaning), and really wasn't meant to offend.

  216. Add In A Bunch Of Small Things by jonman_d · · Score: 1

    Instead of trying for one big thing to help you out, try a bunch of small things:

    Cut back one beer/soda/candy-bar per day;

    If you can bike to work, do that. If you ride your car to work, park far away, and walk the extra distance.

    Don't use elevators - use stairs.

    On your break, maybe go up a few flights of stairs, then down again.

    All you have to do is eat a little less, and burn calories a little more. There's no big trick to it - just add in a bunch of little things that you won't even really notice, and cut back on a little food. You'll probably barely realize that you're doing either, until you start loosing pounds.

  217. burning calories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    here is a list of things to do to burn your fat.

    Spanking the monkey is not among them. Without trolling, I really wonder what the amount of calories is for that task. When I was a teen, I always told myself that it was a good way of losing weight : my body surely needed a lot of calories to generate new stuff so fast...

  218. How to stay in shape when you are a geek by Traa · · Score: 1

    How to stay in shape when you are a geek:
    The simple answer: Don't.
    Really, you work 10 hours a day behind a computer. You have managed to justify this behaviour for yourself. You plan to do this for the rest of your life. No time for silly socializing, let alone mingling with the other gender. So, why the need to stay in shape? The only other people that will notice you are other geeks at the LAN. Don't worry about it beeing unhealthy either, by the time you keel over because your arteries have clogged up (50-ish) you will have become obsolete and are allready the laughing stock of younger more talented more dedicated geeks.

    or

    Get a life(tm). To have a life, you would want to start out by experimenting with a social life. Make friends. Now make friends outside your company. Have stuff to talk about. Be happy(c)(tm)(r). Find the things that you like. For all these things to succeed, the key is "hobbies". Find them. Now find a 'sports' hobby. Experience the enormous amount of energy you feel when participating in a sports a few times a week. You will end up with all this fun stuff...and it will solve the belly problem as a side bonus.

    Me? I play volleyball, I run, hike, bike, ski, board (wake&snow) and have [censored] with my wife. I play the piano. I read sci-fi. I read Harry Potter. I read (speudo-)philosophy. I play with Lego. I travel to weird countries. I play PlanetSide. I party with friends who don't let me drive while under the influence of alcohol. I'm a member of Clan Erinyes the happiest clan around

    I'm a 35 year old Senior Software Engineer.

    I'm happy.

  219. Excersize by CFBMoo1 · · Score: 1

    One thing I think is important for excersize is doing something you like and can repeatedly do with yourself or others. Situps, pushups, etc are fine. Instead of doing them at work how about when you wakeup in the morning or before you shower in the evening? Walking is just as good as jogging and is less damaging to your feet from what I've been told. Though there's nothing wrong with running or jogging, walking can be enjoyable as well and get you in shape.

    One thing I found fun but I can only do with friends is toss around a medicine ball. That just takes me back to being a kid and doesn't seem like work or excersize. I have to admit though I was disapointed when i didn't find any mint flavored cough syrup inside the medicine ball. I felt like I was lied to all those years hearing the name medicine ball.

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    ~~ Behold the flying cow with a rail gun! ~~
  220. Hacker's Diet by pgrote · · Score: 1

    Haven't seen it posted, but there is a very good plan for IT folks at Hacker's Diet

    "This is not a normal diet book, and I am not a normal diet book author.

    I'm not a doctor. Nor am I a nutritionist, psychologist, sports hero, gourmet chef, or any of the other vocations that seem to qualify people to tell you how to lose weight.

    I'm an engineer by training, a computer programmer by avocation, and an businessman through lack of alternatives. From grade school in the 1950's until 1988 I was fat--anywhere from 30 to 80 pounds overweight. This is a diet book by somebody who spent most of his life fat. "

    1. Re:Hacker's Diet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This book's theory is that managing your weight can be fixed with technology, similar to how you can fix your eyesight with glasses.

      It's a great resource for geeks like me: if you have Excel, there are spreadsheets to help you track your weight loss (yay, moving averages), spreadsheets to help you record what you're eating (just insert a row for a favorite treat that isn't on the list) and more. But all you really need is a scale, pen & paper and about five minutes a day.

      I've been using this reference since mid April and have dropped ~14lbs (almost halfway!) via a combination of reducing portion size, switching to diet Coke and continuing to go to the gym a few times per week... each a small change to my old routine, but together they've evidently made a difference :)

      -M

  221. Running, running, running... by k98sven · · Score: 1

    There is simply no other activity that will give you the
    same ratio of exercise per unit of time and money..

    Get a good pair of shoes (but don't spend more than $100), and you're set.

    Start small say, 2-3 miles, 2-3 times a week.
    I won't BS you, it's tough getting started. Getting out the door is never easy. But if you stick with it for a month or two, I can promise you that you'll at least feel more fit. (weight loss is difficult to predict)

    Oh, and quit the beer.

    1. Re:Running, running, running... by EllF · · Score: 1
      The problem with running is that it's hell on your knees. As a former runner myself, at 21, I have a Baker's cyst on my right knee that just won't go completely away, and my knees crack a bit. Granted, I can still pull out a 7-mile run, but I can -feel- it in my knees.

      A possible alternative is biking. It doesn't have the same direct feeling that running does, but it's a good cardiovascular workout without the pounding strain. Granted, not everyone will have the sorts of problems if they run, but it's worth considering.

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      We who were living are now dying
      With a little patience
  222. Can choke chicken at the office to burn calories. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EOM

  223. Watch DVD's? by sunF · · Score: 1

    Recently I tried the Power90, and for a 90 day workout, it was great. Very easy to get started, slowly working up to more reps etc...

    For $60 this I'd recommend this over a gym. At least you can do it from home. Find 30-45 minutes a day and go at it. If you fail you can always try the DVD again in a couple months. But really give it 3 months and see if you like the way your body has changed.

    Also reducing how much I eat helps. Usually I find if I go out, I'll split a meal and eat half of that.

    You could even try reducing the meat you eat to none in rebellion against big corporations.

  224. simple by FroMan · · Score: 1

    My wife and I are both programmers, so we spend a fair amount of our time sitting infront of computers while at work.

    The biggest thing we have found to help is cutting down our portions at meal time. This can be anywhere too.

    At dinner, try making less, like just enough to sate your appetite, but not enough to feel full. This takes a little practice. I know I still occasionally will put too much into the pot when cooking.

    When you head out for fast food, don't big size the meal. BK, Mc'Ds, Arbys, Wendy's are all terrible for this. Just go for the "normal" size or the small. Also, don't force yourself to eat all the fries, if you are sated at just half, call it good.

    At full restaurants you can do this also (and more ideas). Don't feel you have to order the 16oz prime rib just because its a better deal than the 12oz. If you just cannot pass up the deal, plan on taking a doggy bag home with you. This has the added advantage of knowing you are going to eat some for lunch tommorrow that you want to save more for that. Also, if you have a spouse, share a dinner instead of each ordering one, with a plus of being a little cheaper.

    Snacking isn't too bad as long as you do it right. Try eating triscuts or wheat thins for snacks instead of donuts or candybars. I find the fill me up quicker, but do make sure you rations a certain number at home and bring them to work with you, so you don't scarf down a full box in one day. Fruit is a good idea too. Especially bananas. :-)

    Eating less didn't help us loose much weight, but definitely helped us to stablize our weight. We did lose a little, but you still have a flabbyness if you don't work some muscle.

    What we do is walks. I used to be a runner, but my knees don't hold out much after a 1/2 mile anymore. Walking is fun because you can actaully talk while doing it with your spouse (wives love talking, and its healthy for the relationship). Its also fairly low impact and you don't feel terribley exhausted when finished. We throw in some of those hand weights (1-3lbs) also to allow for a little toning in the arms also.

    While you won't see changes terribely fast (10-15lbs in about 4 months) it does happen. We chose to do it this way as we think it will help us the most in long run. We just watch our rations, but still eat the good/yummy stuff. We do some exercise, which gets us off our duffs and away from the games at night. Over all, its a lifestyle change without all the negatives of doing it radically and easier to maintain.

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    Norris/Palin 2012
    Fact: We deserve leaders who can kick your ass and field dress your carcass.
  225. Would you want a quick fix for code? by gosand · · Score: 1
    Why on earth would you want a quick fix for your health? Do you code like that?

    If you are sitting your ass in front of a computer all day, they have this thing called Google. Use it. Find out about nutrition, about the *basics* of exercise and diet. Go from there.

    I'll assume that you are reasonably intelligent since you are in the tech field, so I won't talk down to you. You should be able to figure out all this stuff on your own by researching on the net. You don't need to "ask slashdot".

    I used to work with a fatass who was always after the quick-fix. He was basically forced to do something because of doctor's orders. He was telling me about how he was going to buckle down and watch what he ate, how he was going to quit smoking and get healthy. WHILE he was telling me all this, he was buying a bag of chips out of the vending machine - at 10:00 AM. He tried a couple of crazy diets, even one he thought up himself (1 big meal a day and at least 2 gallons of water during the day). I thought he was reasonably smart until he told me that one. Within a month he was smoking and eating McDonalds every day again. His claim? None of it worked. Of course, he wasn't doing anything resembling exercise and was looking for that quick answer to solve all his problems. A simple diet change and simple exercise would have done wonders for him if he would have cared at all. But he didn't. I don't consider looking for a magic pill to be "caring".

    It isn't just a geek problem, because there are all kinds of completely unhealthy people. But when you are an out of shape geek, you fit into that stereotype. For "smart" people, some sure don't show it.

    --

    My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.

  226. Hmm. by dasmegabyte · · Score: 1

    Well, I go to a gym with people, so I may not be any help here. But I've done the following in the past:

    1) Bike to work (used to do 8 miles and it was a gas, very effective dropped about 10 lbs one summer without trying, now work 15 miles away up the interstate so it's no chance).

    2) Lunchtime workout (at gym, worked well when I only did 1/2 hour, now my workout is ~ 1.5 hours so it's no good)

    3) Lunchtime basketball game. Tons of fun. Soon outlawed by CEO as employees who didn't get "open lunch" were taking one anyway.

    4) I used to work in an office, long time ago, that had a treadmill in the supply closet and people would take 15 minute goes on it throughout the day as a way to help them quit smoking (which made more sense at the time).

    I've often thought that some sort of pedal driven UPS system would be a good idea. Power from the resistance recharges the UPS, offsets electricity costs, gets fat asses in shape. If you want to steal this idea, go ahead, just give me a free one -- during rush times at work i have to miss my workout window (gym closes at 10 pm) so I can please my wife. *Sigh* damn chores...

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    Hey freaks: now you're ju
  227. some advice by moojin · · Score: 1

    IANACT (I Am Not A Certified Trainer), but here is some advice.

    Do NOT run down stairs. It puts a lot of pressure on your knees. Walking up stairs one or two at a time is a good exercise for the legs. (Make sure you are not favoring one leg by always starting on the same foot.)

    A brisk walk from the public parking lot to the downtown office building is a good work out also. I'm not just talking about walking fast. Long quick strides. While you are walking think about what you could possibly do to walk faster without running. Also, try tightening your leg muscles while walking.

    Get a pull up bar for your home and do pullups (both underhand and overhand grips) and also try the behind the head pullups. Don't worry if you can only do one or two. Just try doing them four or five times during the evening. Do them for a month and the end of the month you will probably be able to do a whole bunch.

    I prefer crunches to sit ups. I heard that situps are bad for your back. If you do crunches, don't look at your bent knees. Look straight up and keep your eyes focues on an object. While you are doing the crunch keep your eyes focused on the object. You'll feel the difference.

    Doing pushups and situps at work will not really help you unless you do a lot of them. My old rugby coach once said that a man would be in the greatest shape if he did three hundred pushups and ran three miles a day. I didn't do the running part, but I did do the three hundred pushups a day (actually in one hour) and got pretty strong.

    After about two years of doing the pushup routine, I moved into an apartment building with a nice weight / exercise room and also a certified trainer. He taught me the ins and outs of lifting weights and exercise. I think aside from learning exercise technique, the next most important factor is commitment. Set some realistic goals. Commit to a certain amount of exercise a week and stick with it. If you want, get an exercise partner, but make sure that that person has the same commitment as you or else he or she will drag you down.

    Here is my story. When I began attending college in the Fall of 1992, I was 6 feet tall and 125 pounds. I began playing rugby the following spring and the team secretly bet on how long I would last. The bets ranged from seconds to weeks. I beat them all (I didn't know about the bets until a few years ago.) This past spring was probably my last season playing rugby because of a knee injury that I sustained about 1 and a half years ago. Right now, I'm 6 feet tall and 190 pounds.

    I'm not sure what your goals are, but what ever they are they can be accomplished. Just stick with it. Some guidance from a certified trainer may be advisable.

    Hope this helps...

    Andrew

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    Why did I lurk so long before registering for a Slashdot account? I could have had a Slashdot ID of less than 100000.
  228. Staying in shape as a techie by Bourbonium · · Score: 1

    I don't think it matters what your job involves, staying in good physical shape takes effort and work. While I climb up and down stairs frequently in my position as a sysadmin, my family joined a health club last January, as one of the only New Years Resolutions we've managed to keep. Both my father and my brother had heart attacks last year (treated with triple bypass surgery), so I know I've got a predisposition for the same thing. I decided I shouldn't take any chances, and needed to get into shape. I go to the gym about three times a week now, and our personal trainer (the owner of the health club) has each one of us on a different exercise routine, customized to our ages and abilities. It only takes about 45 minutes each visit (and only costs us $75 a month for all four memberships). I feel great after every workout and have noticed many differences in my health after only 7 months of regular exercise. I haven't lost much weight, but I've turned fat into muscle; I don't tire as easily as I used to; my periodic back pain is now history, and I generally feel much better than I did last year. YMMV, but I've been very pleased with the outcome, and would highly recommend joining a gym.

  229. Breakfast and Squash by ElementCDN · · Score: 1

    I had the same problem. First year of office work I balloned to 205 pounds. Not the best weight for a guy that is 5'11.
    I started eating breakfast, and taking the stairs, I also took up the sport of squash on lunch hours. I am now down to 185.

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  231. I lost 30 lbs by j_dot_bomb · · Score: 1

    I did this in about 8 weeks when I didnt have other commitments. I have maintained this for a year.

    1hr a day biking + weight training twice a week.

    I was eating much less at the time as well, and stayed away from starches.

    Now to maintain my weight I have cut out alot of the foods that most people consider "empty" calories and stay away from starches still.

    1. Re:I lost 30 lbs by vortigern00 · · Score: 1

      I lost 35 without trying. In March 2002 I gave up beer (and all other ethanol-containing beverages) cold turkey. Over the next six months, without changing ANY other habits, I went from 235 to 200 and have stayed there with no effort.

      Not only that, I feel a whole lot better. Just give up the beer, dude. You'll thank me.

  232. Don't eat more, but eat more often by Alakaboo · · Score: 1

    Eat something when you wake up. A bowl of cereal, banana, some yogurt, etc. This is important because it will get your digestive tract (and hence, your metabolism) going right away. If you don't eat in the morning, it waits until after lunch to get started (hence that big shit you always have to take after lunch) and you've already lost four good hours of calorie burning time.

    Have a light lunch. Deli sandwiches and pretzels are good for me. I have an apple for dessert. This will keep your stomach happy until it's time to go home. I've heard and observed that you can trick yourself into thinking you ate a lot by doing a lot of chewing. This seems to be one of the reasons why those diet shakes only help you feel satisfied for an hour or so. You may have all the vitamins, etc. that you need but your body doesn't feel like you've consumed enough.

    When you get home from work DON'T EAT. EXERCISE. Run, bike, swim, whatever. Get a heart monitor or use the equipment to stay within your target heart rate. I think you burn more calories when you're hungry. Also, exercising at this time will "jump start" your slowing end-of-day metabolism and keep it up until you go to sleep.

    I also do three reps each of sit-ups and push-ups because I'm trying to tighten up my beer gut and man boobs. So far so good!

    And when you're done exercising, have a hearty meal so you have energy the next day.

  233. Exercise Away From Work by DoNotTauntHappyFunBa · · Score: 1

    Recently I've started to do sit ups, push ups, and running up and down the stairs. I get alot of odd looks and would prefer something that doesn't make the whole office stare at me. I've looked through some websites with equipment, but it's all serious equipment I can't/won't lug into work. Any suggestions?

    Why do you have to do your exercise at the office? I would suggest getting your exercise on your own time. Any of the following would be good:

    • Walk. Around your neighborhood. In a nearby park or nature area. Anywhere you can. If there's something interesting to look at, that's even better (people watching in the city, wild animals like rabbits, squirrels, and birds farther out). This one can even be done on your lunch hour.
    • Find a sport or activity that you like, and do that. It's much easier to make the time for something you enjoy. Running, biking, swimming. Or team sports like softball, basketball, or soccer. If you look around you can usually find a league that takes the sport as seriously (or non-seriously) as you do.
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    Well, hey, I didn't spend all those years playing Dungeons and Dragons and not learn a little something about courage.
  234. Forget exercising at the office by PickaBooga · · Score: 1


    Forget trying to exercise at the office. If you want to lose weight by exercise, you have to do it for at least 20 minutes at a time, strenuous enough to break a little sweat and maintain a elevated heartbeat. Fat chance doing this at the office.

    The good news is that you only need to do this 20+ minutes of exercise a few times a week. Even just twice a week will do it.

    At the office, just drink lots of water, and bring a healthy lunch from home. You will definitely lose weight, gain muscle, stay in shape, and it shouldn't be too difficult to maintain.

  235. Try the Charles Atlas Workout by Friendly · · Score: 1

    http://www.charlesatlas.com

    I know it looks crazy, but it works. It is easy to do and the results are great. It is also great in that there is no equipment needed. Many of the exercises can be done in the comfort of your cube/office/closet. The PDF, that you have to pay $50 for (small price for health), contain info on diet, martial arts, and feats of strength that you can do to pick on chicks. I have no work ethic so I have not been good about doing the exercises, but I still got some impressive results.

    Friendly

  236. vidja games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It may seem a little weird, but I know of at least one company in my home town that has purchased a Dance Dance Revolution machine. If you're willing to shell out a couple thousand bucks for a machine, or just buy the playstation home version, it's a great way to lose weight. I've been playing for over two years and have lost a good deal of weight.

    I feel my mom is wasting money on weight watchers so I'm trying to get her into it.

  237. Drink More Water by prgrmr · · Score: 1

    You'll get alot of advice. Some will be good, some will be bad. Some you will follow, some you will not.

    Change your life-style. As you get older, your body will thank you. Do the sit-up/push-up routine in the morning and at night at home. Take the stairs instead of the elevator.

    Eat better: cut the carbs, cut the sugar and sweets, limit your beer consumption to 3 nights a week or less and limit how much you drink when you do.

    Drink more water. Where you'd normally grab a soda or sports drink, have some water instead. Your body needs it, and there's zero calories. And drink more of it. Buy a gallon of spring or distilled water for at home. See how long it takes you to go through it. If it's more than 3-4 days, you aren't drinking enough water (or, you are simply never at home).

    Hit yard sales. Buy a bike. Buy a stationary bike and ride it when watching TV. Buy some free weights. Even just 10 pound hand weights can be useful. They won't make you buff, but they will help you burn calories and tone-up some. Skip-over the abercisers, the nordic traks and the bowflexes. You don't need another expensive dust collector.

    Walk. Walk to the store, walk around the block, walk to work if you can do it and still be on time.

    Some of this may work, some of it won't. In the end you are only competing against yourself.

    But trust me on the water.

  238. The key is moderation. by RoadWarriorX · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I lost some weight just by moderating my intake. You do not believe me? Try this:
    1. If you drink coffee or tea with sugar in it, stop using sugar. Use Sweet n' Low or better yet Splenda. The sugar adds too much carbs to you diet. Soft drinks are ten times worse. Drink water , as least 5 glasses a day. If you must drink something else, drink diet soda or bring your own juices.
    2. Stop going the death-trap, fast-food places and wolfing down two or three McGriddles. If you going to eat, go out to a good, sit-down place, eat slower and take your time. You can moderate your diet better that way.
    3. Eat more fresh green veggies. You can as much veggies as you desire without much adverse effects. A good salad with a small portion of steak works well.

    Finally, get off you a$$ once in a while. Just a little exercise, like walking in the park, helps.
    IANAD (I am not a dietician), but it seems to work well. It's not an overnight success, but I feel much better than I did a year ago.
  239. Beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've seen many recommendations on loosing the beer. I mean c'mon, be realistic Beer is not goin to go away. It's too good.

  240. Sounds like "Four Yorkshiremen" in here by mvonballmo · · Score: 1
    Anyone remember that bit by Monty Python where those 4 guys are sitting around, one-upping each other on who had the toughest life?
    "Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night half an hour before I went to bed, drink a cup of sulphuric acid, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad and our mother would kill us and dance about on our graves singing Hallelujah."
    Kind of feels like that in here (did you catch the guy who runs 70 miles a week and pretends to still be answering the beer-drinking, gut-growing dude's question about simple exercise to try?)
  241. Just excercise... by phigga · · Score: 1

    When I graduated from college, I was at 180. Not skinny by any means, but...I wasn't feeling 'fat'.

    2 years later, I've been working as a SysAdmin/Applications Developer. Lots 'o desk time, zero exercise, and plenty of beer in the off-hours. A month ago, I weighed myself in at 208. The mirror laughed when I asked what happened to the distance runner from 6 years ago.

    Since then, I've started lifting and running again after work. Also, I've started (attempting) to eat a little better...water instead of pop, cut down on the fast food, and eat more smaller-portioned meals.

    Trust me, it's a pain in the ass, but after a few weeks, you get used to it. Right now, I'm back down to 192, once again have muscles that I can use, and have to wear a belt.

    Basically, what I'm saying is you don't necessarily need to do anything differently at work, aside from maybe eating differently and drinking more water. If you try to get 30-60 minutes of exercise after work, you'll start to notice a difference in a few weeks!

  242. OT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Racing bikes might be fast, but when I switch to one of those POS super light super expensive bikes from my mountain bike, I can dust anyone for 50 mile streches. But if I hop a curb, I'll bend the rims. Mountain bikes build more slow twitch muscle and are better if you don't ride on the road. Plus if you do it a lot (and use a special nad-protecting seat) mountain bikes can make your hip-thrusting action much more powerful which is useful in other arenas.

    When I want to go faster with less effort, I drive.

    1. Re:OT by selderrr · · Score: 1

      I wasn't talking about going faster. I was talking about appetite for the sport. I found mountainbiking a drag which I had to force myself onto every time. The race bike OTOH is a joy. When I get home from work and the kids are in bed, I can't wait to go crunch a solid 70km in 2 hours, which is a pretty damd good average for someone my age and endurance !

    2. Re:OT by turpie · · Score: 1

      Sorry but I find road riding dull.
      Whereas with mountain biking the terrain and scenery is constantly changing.

  243. desk exercise by frieked · · Score: 1
    --

    I have often regretted my speech, never my silence.
    -Xenocrates
  244. Have fun with the secretary/receptionist by gorbachev · · Score: 1

    Chances are she's got just as much free time...

    Remember to wear protection *wink*

    --
    In Soviet Russia, I ruled you
    1. Re:Have fun with the secretary/receptionist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the secretary is going to want to get it on with a fat guy?

  245. I just came back from the gym! by mekkab · · Score: 1

    (well, fitness room at work, but its close enough!)

    I finished my part-time masters degree in may, and partied like it was 1999. I put on 15 pounds (And I was already tubby).

    So what have I been doing?
    Counting Calories - the only way to lose weight it to burn more calories than you consume. I tried to stay at 1500 calories a day. After a while, you can kinda judge when you are over or not.
    What helps on cutting down is eating quality protein. For example, yogurt is a good afternoon snack- the protein makes you feel full. (this is pretty much the basis of the Atkins diet)

    Another point- stop eating out- or cut down on eating out, or get a salad if you eat out (and NO heavy dressings!)

    Exercising again- you gotta use calories. I had/have hip dysplasia, so I can't do anything high impact (or it hurts for weeks)- but a mix of Weight Traning, Cardio, and maybe a bit of power-yoga in there, 3 times a week.

    Drinking lots of water This helps when you are trying to cut down on what you eat- if you drink a Big-Ass thing of water, your stomach is full. I have one of those Brita squeeze bottles, so everytime I want a snack I drink one of those first. Afterwards, I can usually go without a snack. Also, pre-emptive water drinking is good at curbing cravings.

    Nowadays, I eat less naturally, I'm looking good, and I've dropped 17 pounds. 3 more to hit my "target" weight, and after that, I may try to drop another 5 (gotta loose those love handles).

    --
    In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
  246. Rum or Vodka by lizrd · · Score: 1
    I know it's real bad in my office, especially with all the beer I consume.
    A simple switch to drinking your liquor straight will be a real help to you in your fight against the expanding waistline.

    Many people wait until the conclusion of the working day before they indulge. If this is a situation amenable to you, Scotch on the Rocks or Gin and Tonic will fit the bill nicely. If however, you are going to insist on drinking at the office you are probably going to be better served to drink either vodka or rum from a hip flask. The odor from these liquors is somewhat less than that from other liquors or beer. Drinks that require tequila or a blender (or both) for preparation are probably unsuited to the office environment.

    Dry red wine is also fairly low in calories and is reputed to have assorted other health benefits.

    --
    I don't want free as in beer. I just want free beer.
  247. Found these products that might be helpful. by chobee · · Score: 2, Informative

    These are all exercise bikes that fit under a desk.

    http://www.newsearching.com/stationarybikes/Delu xe _Electronic_Exerciser.html
    http://footsmart.com/P roducts.aspx?shortsku=30147
    http://www.lowellmedi cal.com/IBS/SimpleCat/Product /asp/product-id/49335.html
    http://www.newsearchin g.com/strength_training/Chat tanooga_Exerciser.html
    http://www.homemedicalstor e.com/exercise.htm#p3

  248. eye-toy is the solution ;-) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the solution: put a PS2 with an EYE-TOY in your office, and play WISHI-WASHI, hmmm, not sure the people won't look at you but well ;-)

  249. Honestly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are numerous posts about guys losing weight from eating a bit less and walking up a flight of stairs everyday.

    My question is how damn fat were you to start with for this to work? I mean jesus good for you you're losing weight, but damn how'd you get so big that walking up a flight several flights of stairs a day lead to you losing pounds.

  250. Gee, Slashdot is really going downhill! by Jerk+City+Troll · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    We've got questions about fitness!? You've got to be kidding! Before long we're going to have a complete guide to being on shape on this site.

    What's next, fashion!?

    What kind of geeks are we anyway?

  251. I'd suggest... by CatOne · · Score: 1

    Ride a bike to work?

    Works for me. Of course, I consciously choose a place to live that's within 15 miles of work, so it's all good. And I live in Northern California (also not a coincidence) so I can do it year 'round.

    *IF* there's a will, there's a way. Doing cheezy exercises at work isn't going to make an appreciable difference. People will think you're wacko, and you won't be able to contribute enough time lest you get the "Captain Calisthenics" label.

  252. Martial arts - more fun than lifting weights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was in a similar situation. Going to the gym works great, if you like the gym, but I always found it kind of boring. So instead, I took up Tae Kwon Do. Not only to you get good excercise, I find it a lot more fun! There's a Tae Kwon Do academy in my area that holds calsses in the evenings (and on Saturdays), so I go after after work for an hour a couple of days a week. I'm sure if you look around, you'll find something in your area with times that work for you. Of course, there are also different martial arts to choose from. Karate, Ju Jitsu, Aikido, ... they're all a little bit different. Look around to find one that interests you.

  253. I was in the exact same position... by spruce · · Score: 1

    Still am really, but I've gotten better about it, and lost about 20 lbs. without trying that hard.

    I also drink a lot of beer, used to be dark beer, used to eat a lot of steak and burgers, loaded baked potatoes, drank more than 2 cokes a day, etc. I also didn't do squat.

    So I got to the point where I was at the bottom of the overweight category on the BMI scale. My advice for alleviating this situation is moderation. It's hard to drastically change your lifestyle, and when you do there's probably a greater chance you'll get discouraged and go back to your old ways.

    I started some light weight lifting to tone up my muscles. I started walking a little bit. Those things where okay, though they would get a little old. Then I found something I enjoyed - basketball. Now I go out and shoot around every day - but the kicker is I do it because I enjoy it! I'd suggest finding some activity that you enjoy that get's you off the couch.

    I also changed my diet up, not drastically, but enough to make a difference. I changed from regular coke to diet (never ever thought I would do that - but to be 100% honest after 1 can it wasn't bad, and now after months I prefer Diet Coke.) Instead of getting a bacon double cheesburger I'll just get a hamburger. I order more fish and chicken. I counted fat and calories for a while, and after you do that you just get a feel for it, and you'll know when you're eating too much bad stuff. Also, be careful about snacks - you'd be surpised how much that candy bar or bag of chips can build up.

    What I've found is that you don't have to follow a strict pattern, just do what you're comfortable with that gets you the results you want.

  254. Eat Less, Move More, Start Now by reallocate · · Score: 1

    Want a secret? Here it is: There is no secret.

    You've heard this before, but here goes: Losing weght and getting in shape are two sides of the same coin. If you expend fewer calories than you eat, the extra calories stay around as fat. That's how you got the belly you mentioned. Be aware that carrying around extra abdominal poundage is especially risky, heart-wise. It also is a risk factor for colon and other kinds of cancer.

    Often, taking time to look for the "best" way to get in shape and lose weight is just another excuse to avoid doing either.

    So, don't eat as much (cut out the beer) and move your body more. Carve an hour out and go for a walk. Don't stroll -- walk fast enough to work up a sweat; if you aren't breathing faster and deeper half-way through, you aren't walking fast enough. Get a good pair of shoes; they make a difference.

    (Of course, if you've been a couch potato for years and/or have hypertension, heart murmur, or any other condition, talk this over with your doctor. He/she will be happy about the diet, but you want to make sure that the exercising doesn't put you at risk.)

    Here's my experience, following surgery 7 months ago: I take a 60-75 minute walk about 8 days out of 10 (I don't go when the weather's bad or when I can tell my muscles need a day off.) My pace is a tad over a 15-minute mile. Breakfast is usually a half-cup of oatmeal, cooked, sometimes topped with half of a banana, plus tea and juice. (Gave up coffee last year.) Lunch is a homemade fruit smoothie: a banana, some frozen peaches, frozen berries, a couple tablespoons of wheat germ, soy protein powder, and about a cup of soy or nonfat diary milk. Whirl in blender until smooth. Dinner is often something like ratatouille, homemade soup -- heavy on green veggies --, etc., with some whole grain bread, and a glass or two of wine. For variety, I've learned to make things like pizza margherita ( that's simply mozzarella, tomato sauce and fresh basil, or pizza with tuna, veggies and lots of garlic. No fast food; no ice cream, no pastries,no candy, no carbonated drinks, no junk food; no salty/fatty snacks. No butter. No margarine. The only cooking oil I use is olive oil.

    That diet is probably more than most can put up with, but it works. I've lost at least 30 pounds, plus the belly. I am not hungry between meals or before bedtime. I sleep better, and I don't feel like cold death in the morning.

    Don't play games with yourself. It's really easy to spend an hour reading Slashdot instead of taking that walk. But, ask yourself, is an hour's worth of Slashdot worth dieing earlier than necessary?

    --
    -- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
  255. Solution to all life's problems... by Wrexen · · Score: 1

    Switch to vodka!

  256. Make sure you don't loose too much weight... :^) by bobbotron · · Score: 1

    As they say, there's no easy way to loose weight besides through exercise and eating less.

    Last summer I reached the peak of a big weight loss cycle: I biked and jogged a lot during the week as well as some weight lifting. On top of that, I DRASTICALLY cut down on what I was eating (ie: no more junk food, all healthy, grainy, food, etc.) This is coming from someone who was a 205 lb geek only a year before - at the end of the summer, I had lost about 30 pounds, and gone from a size 40 pant size to size 32! I guess you could say my plan to shape up and loose weight worked a little too well. Make sure to watch what you're doing to yourself, too much weight loss can be a bad thing! :)

    Now I'm living with my gf, and don't have as much time for exercise and am going back up in weight - I bike to and from work every day, and job once or twice times a week, and lift weights when I get up in the morning. (And eat too many sweets at work! ) :)

  257. Change Jobs! by radpole · · Score: 1

    I lost my nice office job last year as systems administrator. After a year of looking sitting around getting fatter, I went to work for the local wire factory.

    I work a twelve hour shift 5 or 6 days in a row, on my feet walking up and down an 150 foot pvc extrusion line where I insulate wire. I permanently lost thirty lbs am building muscle tone in my legs and arms.

    The only computer I work with though has a 4 inch CRT that monitors the diameters of the wires and controls the extruders.

    Anyway, I am looking to get fat again, sit down
    and enjoy some airconditioning.

  258. Here's the secret.... by Javaman97 · · Score: 1

    Do More, Eat Less..... No fad diets, or over priced machines, they just prey on the desperate. Everything in moderation and don't drive your car 3 blocks to drop off the mail. Pretty simple equation really.

  259. Body For Life by bendawg · · Score: 1

    This sounds like an ad, but I seriously lost 20 lbs doing the body for life program. Most of it is common sense, like get your butt in the gym and eat right. But, it helps to have a plan. And this is a good one. Buy the book, read it, and follow it to the letter, and you can't help but lose weight.
    It's very strict, but for those who can handle it, it's worth the effort.
    Being in shape is a lifelong process, not a quick fix, though...The book can help you get started, but you have to want to change.

  260. Hacker's Diet by Phrogz · · Score: 1
    What do I do to stay in shape? I eat as many or less calories than my body needs. I do 5 minutes of exercise in the morning, and once a week I get to play some Ultimate Frisbee.

    The Hacker's Diet - it's really easy, very logical, and quite effective.

  261. Walk to lunch by abradsn · · Score: 1

    do sit ups, and push ups away from the office, before/after work, or during lunch. Perhaps even walk to lunch.

  262. Personally, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I took up smoking :)

  263. Metabolism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read: Metabolism not Metabolife or any of that over-marketed crap. Lets say you are just starting to work out for the first time in ages. Probably can only run a mile / 2 at most... Get your @$$ out of bed and run a mile in the morning - it'll get your blood flowing - kickstart your metabolism - and also burn more fat since your body is still fasting.
    Run a mile after work - OR - get a buddy and go play racquetball, tennis, football, ___ sport of choice. Hmm - sports exist to make workouts fun! Okay, so the metabolism is up, and you burn fat while sitting now...
    One thing left - DIET! Sub or sandwich instead of fast food, water instead of pop, fruits instead of deserts... you see where we're going here? All that stuff mom forced you to eat as a kid... Surprise - it's good for you. Screw fad diets - eat properly and exercise frequently and you'll be running 3-4 miles a day in 2 weeks - If you do all of the above - You can still probably hit a pint or two (3+ if you run more) a day and stay slim. (knowledge gained from 4 yrs of collegiate rowing)
    Make a deal with yourself! No beer for the day unless you hit 2 miles. 2 beers if you hit 3 - etc, make a reward system and you won't quit.

  264. The really obvious solution by Angst+Badger · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Quit drinking beer in the office. If you really must be inebriated while you're coding, try whiskey instead.

    2. People won't look at you funny if you work in the office and work out out of the office.

    3. Tell me what slack-ass place you work at so I can get a job there.

    --
    Proud member of the Weirdo-American community.
  265. breathe by Cyno · · Score: 1

    If you spend maybe 15 minutes when you wake up in the morning stretching your body it will help the blood circulate. Moving your body in the ways it was made to move, but never gets to move because you're so conformitive, will help.

    And when you're at work its easy to take a few minutes out of every hour to just take a few deep breaths, sit up straight, and think about the blood circulating through your body. This is what brings nutrients to your muscles and removes waste and the byproducts of all the work they do, lifting and moving you around from here to there.

    If you're mindful and you pay attention to these things, even for a few minutes a day, you'll stay relatively healthy. And an occational workout would not only be welcome but provide even greater benefits to a body that gets plenty of time to rest and breath.

    For a better died just try changing what you normally eat. Don't put yourself on a strict diet, but observe what you normally choose to eat. Instead of going for the soda, think about how much more healthy and how much better it would be for your body if you had some juice or water. Instead of sugar and candy try more fruits. If you let yourself have what you want when you want it and just try to want things that are more healthy for you it can keep you feeling good about yourself while not depriving you of the things you enjoy.

    There's nothing wrong with eating a piece of cake or some ice cream. It just shouldn't be a daily habbit. Be mindful and take good care of yourself.

    Excessive workouts, starving and other forms of punishment often end up hurting you more than they help. IMO, anyway.

  266. Atkins lifestyle by Centinel · · Score: 1
    That's what works for me....since April I've lost 22 easy pounds

    * No sugars
    * No starches
    * Ride my bike late afternoons for an hour 5x/week
    * Rarely drink, and then only a glass of red wine w/dinner
    * Plenty of Omega fatty acids (walnuts, olive oil, ground flaxseeds)
    * Limit caffeine to 100 mg/day...I switched from coffee to green tea

  267. Easy chair exercise: by sphix42 · · Score: 1

    Kegel Excercises! No need for anyone else to even know you're exercising. Should definatly meet the 'non-embarassing' requirement (as long as you don't tell anyone)

  268. Danger of Open Sourcing your body by Delirium+Tremens · · Score: 1
    Actually, making your body available to the Open Source developer community might not be a healthy idea.

    It is rumored that allowing full access to your body to anyone might be viral.

  269. more water=more peeing=more walking to bathroom... by kUnGf00m45t3r · · Score: 1

    =more Exercise! You could even use bathrooms on other floors or whatever to increase the distance. I drink AT LEAST a GALLON of water everyday. Needless to say, I visit the bathroom quite often and use the opportunity to get away from my desk and walk around.

  270. Use exercise as a work break by thrice · · Score: 1

    i use exercise as a work break, especially when working on a really tough problem.

    i find that it doesn't have to even be that long of an exercise session. typically, i'll try to coincide my workout w/ the early afternoon.

    also, vary it up. i alternate between biking, running and going to the gym to lift a few weights.

    besides getting/staying in shape, the added bonus is that usually you come back to your work with a fresh perspective that is condusive to problem solving.

  271. Hackers Diet by msheppard · · Score: 1

    The Hacker's Diet

    This was posted a few months ago, and I started it and yesterday I hit my goal of 180pnds (from 212pnds).

    It works. It's free. It's scientific. And it's called the Hacker's Diet.

    Just do it.

    M@

    --
    Krispy Cream is people
    1. Re:Hackers Diet by zodar · · Score: 1

      Congratulations! I've been on the Hacker's Diet for two months now and have lost almost 30 pounds so far. Another 10 to go...

      Way to go on hitting your goal. Isn't it a great feeling to flex your willpower muscles?

  272. Running will do more harm than good by rinkjustice · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't recommend running for someone with a sedentary lifestyle as yours. Running will actually destroy your metabolism long-term. Instead, I suggest setting aside an hour 3 times a week and doing some resistance training, beit in the gym or at home. What I mean by resistance training is using weights and building muscle. More muscle on your frame will raise your base metabolic rate and help you lose weight.

    If you want to add some cardio after that, fine, but resistance training should be top priority.

  273. What the hell are you doing the rest of the day by jonathanduty · · Score: 1

    Work=10 hours Day = 24 hours Free Time = day - work Key to staying fit + having a successful career = DONT SIT ON YOUR ASS THE OTHER 14 hours!

  274. Why do you ask this question? by felonious · · Score: 1

    I have the same type of job and what I do is exercise after work. I'm wondering why you had to post this via slashdot to the entire world to find the answer since it is so simple.

    Let me repeat this again...
    When you get off of work go home have a sensible meal then exercise. Do both cardio (running) and lift some weights. Heavy/low reps for size or light weights/10-15 reps to cut up.

    --
    You aren't free to do anything, until you've lost everything.
    1. Re:Why do you ask this question? by Alcemenes · · Score: 1

      This is what I do. I bought a Nordictrack back in February and started using it 10 minutes a day, 5 days a week. Every couple weeks I would add 5 more minutes a day building up to 30 minutes. The hard part is getting started but once you make it a habit you'll get more out of it. I find it easiest to flip on the TV and exercise while watching one of my favorite shows. This tends to make the time go by a bit faster. Another plus about a Nordictrack is the fact that you can fold them up and store them out of the way. It makes it easy to stick in a corner and forget but it also makes a bit of a ritual out of it. For me it was worth the $800.

  275. its all diet, eat foods with a low glycemic index by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used atkins (www.atkins.com) to keep off 30 pounds the past year. I wasn't hungry doing it either. I exercised the same amount before the weight loss as I do now. So I attribute all the weight loss to diet.

    As you get to the later stages of Atkins (and most other low-carb approaches) you transfer from a low-carb approach to what I'd call a smart-carb approach -- Food with a low glycemic index absorbs slower and gives you a constant supply of energy all day. It doesn't spike your insulin, so you don't pack away carbs as fat, and you don't get the resulting crash that makes you sleepy, hungry and moody.

    Here's an example of foods classified by glycemic index.
    http://www.matol.com/products/o2k/giindex. htm

    Basically avoid anything that is white -- white flour, pasta, sugar, bread, white rice, etc.

    I feel eight years younger than I did a year ago. My sleep problems have gone away. My knees feel a lot better too. I can now run again after five years without pain where all I could manage a year ago was to ride a bike.

    If your intent on drinking beer, Miller lite, Michelob Ultra, and Guiness Stout are good low carb choices.

  276. Check out the Hacker's Diet. by oneiros27 · · Score: 5, Informative

    It hasn't even been three months since the Hacker's Diet was mentioned.

    Basically, one of the points made is that it takes a lot of exercise to lose weight. Although John Walker (the author) does suggest exercise, he recommends using a 10-15 minute a day program based off that of the Royal Canadian Air Force.

    Personally, by watching my calorie intake, without exercising, I've lost about 30 pounds since April, and I'm trying to shed another 10-20 to get back to the 150-160lb range. I'm guessing that cutting out sodas has has the most profound impact on what I've changed, diet wise. Of course, I had to slowly cut back... It's not like I was drinking 3L of Mt. Dew per day, as I was in college, but I was probably drinking a good 1.5L of sodas per day. Oh...and you do have to drink water, or as a compromise, sports drinks, as fruit juices tend to have just as mushc sugar as sodas.

    --
    Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
    1. Re:Check out the Hacker's Diet. by shaniber · · Score: 1

      hear hear! I've become the biggest advocate for The Hacker's Diet for a couple of years now. I managed to drop 20+ pounds fairly painlessly, and keep it off. The tools that he provides for management of your weight during and afterwards are quite useful as well, although I'd like to see something web based for easier use.

      --
      mah na mah na.
    2. Re:Check out the Hacker's Diet. by Zinereem · · Score: 1

      Wow, I'm in the exact same boat. Started in April, lost 30+ pounds, trying to get down to 155. My EatWatch charts are here.

    3. Re:Check out the Hacker's Diet. by davew2040 · · Score: 1

      Call me crazy, but if you're losing weight without exercising, then you're not really getting all the health benefits of "being in shape", you're just getting the health benefits of "not being fat". You're still not going to have a reasonable amount of energy or strength, which I think is a very positive result of including even a short exercise routine in your plan. Eating well is a good start, but even 15-30 minutes per day or every other day is fine to keep your body "fit".

      Exercising does take a lot of time, but not in a "time-consuming" way. That is to say, getting in shape with exercise doesn't require a lot of time each day, it just requires that you put some time in consistently over long periods of time, say a month or two. And once you've done that, then the next six or twelve or twenty-four months come quite easily, since your body has adapted itself to work comfortably within a casual routine. And by then, it should even feel good!

    4. Re:Check out the Hacker's Diet. by fumbles · · Score: 1
      I've been reading /. for years now -- and never had an overwhelming urge to respond to any article. Until now. So this is my very first post, ever.

      To Oneiros: I read the same Hacker's Diet mention in that previous /. article and I started in April, as well! I'm looking to lose about 20 more lbs. to get into that same goal range -- congrats to you on your progress!

      So, I followed the same advice that Oneiros, Zinereem, and Shaniber have, including the Royal Canadian Air Force work-outs and have had great results. Since mid-April, I've lost around 40 pounds and haven't felt so energized since high school. You can realize some amazing results just from cutting the soda (I drink Diet Coke & Diet Dr. Pepper, though), dairy, and sugars (which mostly resulted from the large amount of coffee I was drinking -- I liked coffee with my sugar and cream).

      Using the tools available with the Hacker's Diet, I still enjoy my morning coffee and other caffiene addictions. I basically get to eat whatever I want -- although, by gaining the knowledge set forth in the Hacker's Diet Guide, I have learned that what I really want is great tasting meals -- not massive meals with too many calories. So now, I eat fresher foods which are prepared better and eaten in moderation; allowing me to appreciate each meal and know that I am more healthy because of it.

      Recently, since people noticed the difference in my weight, I have been asked by several people what the 'secret' to effective weight-loss is and what steps they need to take to achieve their diet goals. I've been responsive and attempted to be helpful as much as possible. I have found it takes a certain kind of person to have success with *any* diet, especially one that makes you really think about how and what you eat. I tell them that it is about changing their rate, not their weight. When the last person I spoke with about weight-loss said they would "rather be overweight for the rest of (their) life, rather than give up having two donuts in the morning" -- I knew some people have nothing but a mental block holding them back from success.

      Lately, I'm not as much concerned about my actual weight (as it appears on a scale), but I do check and record my weight and BF% (the body fat measurement is inaccurate, but my scale does it, so I record it for the hell of it) every day, without fail. The process of changing my rate of eating... my eating habits and my lifestyle as a whole have become the most important aspects of my weight loss. Checking out my graph and seeing that weight line go down is, for me, more than enough motivation to keep moving towards my healthy-weight goal. If you throw in the numerous comments and congrats I get from people I know, it is easy to keep myself on track.

      Now that I think about it, I have to give thanks to /. for posting that mention of the Hacker's Diet back in April! Before successfully changing my eating habits and lifestyle, I had never tried any weight loss program or fad diet. I think having confidence in what John Walker wrote (and perhaps because we live in the same county), the way he boiled down weight loss to something that any geek could easily comprehend, allowed me to step over the line and take a plunge.

      Also, as you lose weight and become more fit, you'll quickly find yourself with even more energy and the need to expend it. I never thought I would be looking for other ways to exercise, but now I do! I have been taking karate, like I did in high school, and even plan on returning to the same dojo I attended at that time of my life. Walking, going out, hitting the beach, and just having the energy to do what I want is well worth the slight effort that needs to be put into any weight loss program. Just make sure the program is something that you know is basically safe and not some sort of fad diet that could harm you in the long

    5. Re:Check out the Hacker's Diet. by fumbles · · Score: 1
      Congrats on your weight loss, Zinereem! I checked out your charts & your site. I wanna give you an advanced thank-you. Because of your post here, I realized that I have been cheating myself out of one of the best features of the Hacker's Diet... the use of technology tools!

      About two months ago, I picked up a new Sony Clie NX60 (which I already use as an MP3 player when I walk, etc) and totally forgot about the PALM OS software that Walker wrote. I am going to integrate my PDA into the program, immediately, so I can carry it with me all the time. I'll also going to drop the yucky MS Excel-based format and work on exporting my other months' records in .csv format to the HTML version you are using.

      On another note, I've noticed I am keeping much more detailed notes on what I have been eating/drinking than most people and I have been benefiting a great deal from learning about the various contents of the food I eat (I also plan on compiling what I eat / drink into a custom-personalized database that I can use on a daily basis via my PDA).

      On your site, I noticed you are eating a lot of sub sandwiches and Taco Bell. Is that working out for you? I've been basically staying away from all forms of fast-food in lieu of freshly-prepared meals with lower calorie-count (since I like the sense of control I get when preparing my own healthy meals). I am sure either way works, as long as you are monitoring and eating in moderation. I'm just wondering how you are feeling in terms of energy and fitness in general.

      Also, I noticed for some of the days with food comments, your calorie intake looks to be around 1,000 or so calories... you need to be careful about that. In order to prevent any loss of muscle mass during your diet (or as John Walker puts it, "deliberate starvation"), you need to consume at least 1,200 calories a day. I'm losing weight at a steady pace with no hunger pains or any other ailments and eat 1,300 to 1,400 calories, per day. If you are interested, drop me an e-mail via my site or respond to this post and I'll forward you the URL for my EatWatch, as soon as I get it online.

    6. Re:Check out the Hacker's Diet. by lamontg · · Score: 1
      Basically, one of the points made is that it takes a lot of exercise to lose weight.

      This was one of the reasons why I did not like the information in "The Hackers Diet". The author completely ignored the fact that the major benefit of excersize is *not* how many calories you burn during the excersize, but how much it increases your metabolism. Excersize is more important to weight loss than he makes out.

      He also ignored the effect that highly glycemic foods that spike insulin levels have on your hunger levels and your food consumption. He argued that you should reduce calorie consumption, but gave no suggestions other than calorie counting on how to achieve this.

    7. Re:Check out the Hacker's Diet. by elodan · · Score: 1
      Basically, one of the points made is that it takes a lot of exercise to lose weight. Although John Walker (the author) does suggest exercise, he recommends using a 10-15 minute a day program based off that of the Royal Canadian Air Force.

      Personally I'd be very very careful with the exercises in this programme, and would consider talking to a doctor before doing them if I'm out of shape or have any back problems.

      The method of doing sit-ups described is somewhat suspect (straight leg situps? Noooo! You'll bugger your lumbar!) and as for the bend-and-bounce (bouncing to-touches) exercise, you've REALLY got to watch out with ballistic stretching like this.

      If you don't know what you're doing, DON'T blindly follow these instructions.

  277. Some tips... by jbrayton · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In college, I gained a lot of weight, and after I graduated decided I needed to lose it. It took me three years, but I lost 100 pounds -- and have kept it off for five years. Essentially I did this:

    • Eat two or three meals a day. If you eat a third meal, make one meal just salad and water. NO food or drinks (except water) in between meals. No desserts.
    • Do drink lots of water.
    • Run or walk three miles per day. [I don't do this religiously anymore, but I did for a few years.] For the sake of losing weight or burning calories, I don't think it really makes a difference whether you walk or you run. Just do it. If weather does not permit, walk in a mall.
    • As far as *what* you eat, the only foods I would completely cut out are: french fries, doughnuts, and soda. Especially the soda! Cutting out beer might not be a bad idea either.
    • Try to eat your afternoon/evening meal as early as possible. Just before bed is the worst time.
    • Weigh yourself everyday. The psychological effect of seeing your weight and its fluctuation does help to motivate.
    • When faced with a decision between a stairs/elevator/escalator decision, choose the stairs. If forced to use an escalator, always walk even as the escalator is moving.
    • When driving a short distance (under a mile or two), consider whether walking is feasible.
    • When parking a car, don't obsess over getting the closest parking spot. The time you save in walking the shorter distance might be gained by the time saved in finding the spot, and you get the added benefit of a longer walk (and saved gasoline!).

    I know this doesn't answer the while at the office part of your question. But I think the only realistic thing you can do while at work is to drink lots of water.

    What I do not recommend is joining a gym or buying exercise equipment. This does work for many people, but it is expensive and simply not required for exercise. [One possible exception: if I wasn't such a cheapskate I would buy myself a bicycle!]

  278. shovel-glove!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've started doing two different things. One is a realistic diet and the other is a household item that I use for exercise. The guy who does these sites is quite a laugh:

    Here's how to get great exercise with a sledgehammer in your livingroom or office:
    http://www.shovelglove.com/

    The diet is great (No Sweets, No Snacks, No Second except of days that begin with an 'S'):
    http://www.nosdiet.com/

    Good luck!

  279. Grad School! by Tim · · Score: 4, Informative
    Since entering grad school, I've dropped more than 30 pounds! It's a miracle! I highly recommend the Grad School Diet!

    Seriously, when I was working a desk job, I was gaining weight, and now I'm losing weight. And this is despite the fact that I still sit on my duff 8+ hours a day while working. The differences are:
    • I walk everywhere . Something about being in a college environment encourages this, but there's nothing preventing you from walking more often. Walk to the store, to the bus, to lunch, etc.
    • I eat a lot less. When I was working, it wasn't uncommon to find myself eating high-Calorie fast food at my desk, sitting all day, then going home to eat a large dinner. These days, my schedule is less regular, and as a result, I eat smaller meals, more sporadically. I'm poor, so I often bring my leftover dinner to work (which reduces portion size). Finally, I just eat less now. I realize that this is harder when you're sitting at a desk all day long, but there's nothing stopping you from eating less food.
    • When I get stressed, I go to the gym. This one is simple, deceptively so. You'd be amazed at how an hour of daily weight training or running can eliminate stress from your life. And it makes you healthier, too! The trick is getting in the habit, and that can be difficult. Try this: sign up for a gym with a friend. Go regularly, and go together, at least at first. You'll force each other to go in the beginning, but before long, you'll find that you need to go to feel healthy and productive. And that's when it becomes automatic.
    I realize that this sounds a lot like the "eat less, exercise more" advice you're hearing from others. The thing is, they're right, but it seems impossible to follow their advice when you're out of shape and chained to a desk. You have to force these things to become habit. Start slowly (say, with walking daily), and gradually build up your exercise regimen. As you get bored, change what you're doing, and try something new. Before long, it will be an important component of your life (and as I said before, exercise is a great stress-reliever!)

    (Side note: whatever you do, you don't have to kill yourself doing it. I used to make the mistake of exercising way too hard, giving up from the pain, and as a result, rarely exercising. Whatever you do, stay in your aerobic heart rate range, and realize that the fact that you're not dying doesn't mean you aren't getting exercise.)

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  280. No magic pill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's how I cut the fat and improved my health.

    1. Cut out the beer and high-glycemic carbs, refined foods, sugar water and trans-fats. This means no sugar and starchy foods like potatos, chips, corn, wheat, etc.

    2. Eat plenty of quality protein (beef, chicken, fish, eggs, sardines)

    3. Eat plenty of healthy fats (nuts, olive oil, butter)

    4. Eat plenty of low-and-moderate-glycemic vegetables (spinach, green beans, brocolli, cabbage, carrots, celery, etc.)

    5. Exercise 50 mins to an hour each day (aerobic exercise 4 times a week, weight lifting 3 times a week).

    6. Read about the health giving attributes of a low-carb lifestyle. I recommend "Protein Power" by Micheal and Mary Eades.

    1. Re:No magic pill by Geekylad · · Score: 1

      There are magic pills!!! Get your self down to a decent club with decent music, neck an E or a few gramms of charlie and you'll be dancing your ass off for about 6 hours with a loss of appetite the following day. Works for most of the fit girls in the clubs I go to!!

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  281. Change profession or at least partly! by yelsirgany · · Score: 1

    I have to say that after I started working helping to open a new restaurant for my family (parents) and done software development only on side (mostly console based apps for restaurant) and running around in general I have lost lots of weight! (200 lb -> 185lb)

    You would think that working at a restaurant and have people ask you all the time what they can cook for you would make you fat, but not eating taco bell, bk, McD's and such have had a big impact.

    I suppose the stress that comes with opening a new business along with having your family spending lots of money on a new large enterprise will help you loose weight too!

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  282. Jerk Off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jerk Off three times a day. Good aerobic workout and reduces the weight of bodily fluids (OK - not so much - but it sure is fun)

  283. Ultimate Frisbee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, it's not something you can do at work, but it has a certain 'geek' appeal. There seem to be lots of people in the IT industry playing it, and you don't have to be super-athletic to start playing. (although the top players are in excellent shape) I didn't do any form of physical activity until a few years ago when I started playing ultimate. Now I play several times a week, and I am in much better shape than before. Plus, it's a great way to meet people outside of work.

  284. No, Atkins is not! by GuyMannDude · · Score: 1, Informative

    It always makes me sad to see supposedly-intelligent people citing Dr. Atkins as a reputatable source of dietary information. Dr. Atkins is listed on Quackwatch's list of Nonrecommended Sources of Health Advice. In addition, a good debunking of fad diets and Atkins' in general can be found here.

    Please, people. Don't be giving this quack anymore publicity than he already gets. Just eat a balanced diet and exercise more. That's all you need to do.

    GMD

    1. Re:No, Atkins is not! by DAVEO · · Score: 1
      Reason Magazine has some good articles about the Atkins' diet as well, including showing why the commonly cited study that the Atkins' diet is effective is scientifically unreliable.

      Essentially, the Atkins' diet has not been scientifically shown to reduce weight more than any other diet of equivalent calorie intake has since its inception in the 1970s.

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    2. Re:No, Atkins is not! by finkployd · · Score: 2, Informative

      That would be a pretty good debunking of Atkins if it actually represented the Atkins diet in any way.

      Too many people find it easy to debunk Atkins since everyone assumes it is a no carb diet. It isn't. it is a low "simple carb" diet. Complex carbs are ok too, just in moderation, like anything else. Frankly it is hard to argue that pasta and bread are more healthy than fruit, but most people's diets consist of much more of the former.

      Look, I know too many people who have tried lowering their complex carbs and ended up losing weight, becoming more healthy, and even fixing some blood suger problems to take the diet industry's word that it is a scam. Heck it is working for me and I didn't really give up too many of my favorite foods, just cut back on them.

      The problem with low-cal, high exercise is that it leaves most people really hungry all the time. Most people do not have the will power to be hungery all the time, let alone exercise during it. Lowering carbs (and hence, suger), while eating as much protine as you want leaves you losing weight while not being hungry all the time.

      I've been running a couple miles every other day, and trying to stop eating unhealthy snacks for years. I stopped gaining weight but I also couldn't lose any. Unfortunatly I was also a carb junkie, eating crackers, bread, pasta, etc all the time. Going the atkins route for me started my weight loss AND gave me a ton more energy. Call him a quack all you want, it is working pretty well for me and a lot of other people. It is also MUCH easier to stay on.

      Finkployd

  285. no no no, its better than that... by mekkab · · Score: 1

    Wait, you get to drink beer at your office? Damn, I want to work at a place like that. Do you also get to hit on the boss's secretary?

    He IS the boss's secretary!

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  286. Diet and exercise by DAVEO · · Score: 1
    The best way to lose weight and stay in shape is through proper diet and exercise. My favorite diet regimen is caloric restriction. You reduce your calorie intake at least 20%, up to 60%, and you get health benefits accordingly (including extended lifespan and prolonged youthful vigor). Weight loss is almost automatic.

    When the crew of BioSphere II had found that they had less food than anticipated (1800 cal/day each), they lost 15% body weight over a period of six months, and their good to bad cholesterol ratio was up and blood pressure down.

    Just be sure you still maintain adequate nutrients. Changing your diet to include less junk food (chips, fries, cookies, even some breads) is another plus. And do some research on healthful composition of diets, new evidence the last ten years is showing the United States Department of Agriculture's food pyramid is scientifically unsound and may even be contributing to the obesity problems.

    That said, exercise is a definite plus to stay in shape and to lose weight. Your body was made for moving around. Walking even small distances is good, and running and sports are good as well, but you may have to ease into it. As another poster stated, any exercise over and above 20 minutes will result in calorie burn.

    Personally, I maintain a regimen of calorie restriction, and walking anywhere from five to 40 miles a week, and I've lost a very nice 33 pounds since mid-April. But the best part is I feel a hell of a lot more healthy and alive.

    Cheers.

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  287. It sucks, but it works by phorm · · Score: 1

    Atkins diet... geeks getting a bit rounder, geeze did one of my co-workers post this up to catch my attention?

    I've been roughly following the diet for the last month or so, limiting myself to about 20g of carbs or as close as I can. Lots of meat (hey, meat is a good thing), protein powder, and I go blading a few times a week.

    So far, my weight has stayed near the same, but the tummy and various other odd jiggles have become noticably more tucked (third-party opinion, not just my own).

    Really, if you like the BBQ, you can do pretty well. Also, grab yourself a decent blender, some ice-cube trays, and fresh berries. Blending up a shake with strawberries and vanilla is probably the best way to make that protein-powder crap taste actually pretty good (berries generally low on carbs, but beware as many other fruits are not).

    Oh, and don't worry about the fat on meats, as mentioned above, fat doesn't make you fat in most cases. It does make you feel full though...

    Lay off the potato chips and (for me the hard one) pasta and you'll do fine. Coffee is also a good thing, and I believe you can have lower-sugar ice-cream and some other goodies that are unusual for "dieting" as well.

    1. Re:It sucks, but it works by njdj · · Score: 1

      Oh, and don't worry about the fat on meats, as mentioned above, fat doesn't make you fat in most cases

      Somebody else wrote something similar, probably influenced by a fad diet site that says "if a dieter begins eating zero grams of fat per day then the body will react by holding on to as much of its fat tissue..."

      This is complete BS. It's impossible to eliminate fat from the diet except by eating completely artificial food (and nobody should need telling that that's a bad idea): for example, 7% of the dry weight of a lettuce leaf is fat.
      It's true that what really matters is your total calorie intake vs total calorie expenditure. But if you do eat more calories than you burn, your body can turn animal fat into human fat much more easily than it can convert any other food component into fat. So in that important sense, eating animal fat does make you fat. Trim that fat off your meat, don't eat it.

      How to lose weight? Simple. Just eat less, and get some exercise, like walking a mile every day. You will not hear this advice much, because nobody will make any money out of it.

    2. Re:It sucks, but it works by eyeye · · Score: 1

      Dry weight of lettuce?
      Who eats dry lettuce?

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  288. So easy by ErixTr · · Score: 1

    1-) Don't do anything until you get worse.
    2-) Sue your boss.
    3-) Profit.

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  289. Access to showers important... by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

    How do you deal with being sweaty all day long at work?

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    1. Re:Access to showers important... by bmj · · Score: 2, Informative

      How do you deal with being sweaty all day long at work?

      Again, that's a lifestyle choice ;-)

      Actually, my current job is the first that I've had access to a shower. At my last gig, it was a relatively flat ride, so I could limit the amount of sweat. If it was really warm, I'd use a few of those new-fangled body wipes and the bathroom sink to make myself acceptable (and that was a business casual environment).

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    2. Re:Access to showers important... by rworne · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not a problem. Wear bike clothes on your way to work.

      In the Panniers described earlier in the thread you carry your work clothes, some deodorant and a dampened towel in a large Ziploc bag.

      Get to work, hop in the restroom, use a stall as a changing station. Wipe down with the towel & put it back in the bag. Apply deodorant. Change into your work clothes and comb hair.

      When you are sitting around and sweating, the sweat is more oily and you will stink. When you sweat from constant physical exertion, the sweat does not tend to stink as much.

      Change back into the bike clothes for the trip back.

      BTW: Real cyclists don't wear underwear.

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    3. Re:Access to showers important... by Urox · · Score: 3, Informative

      The smell from sweat is caused by bacterial growth, not the sweat itself. The longer you stay sweaty, the more it is going to smell, regardless of the source. Sweat is merely water and salt: salt to cause your body to sweat (diffusion from a high concentration to low) and the water to use evaporative cooling.

      Thank ghod my worksite has showers installed for us bikers.

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    4. Re:Access to showers important... by dthable · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Bicycling magazine did this article on riding to work. After reading the article, I was able to adjust my habits to accomidate biking to work in the morning.

      I'm still working on pushing towards showers at work, but baby wipes seem to work just fine.

    5. Re:Access to showers important... by rworne · · Score: 4, Informative

      And the bacteria feed on the secretions that come out of the sweat glands. Eccrine sweat glands are what cause you to cool off while exercising, Apocrine sweat glands are responsible for the bacteria B.O. fest:

      Types of sweat glands

      Eccrine sweat glands
      The release of sweat from eccrine glands is the body's cooling process. Sweat is produced in a coiled tubule in the dermis and is transported by a sweat duct through the epidermis to be secreted. The entire body surface has 2-3 million eccrine sweat glands and can produce up to 10 L of sweat per day.

      Apocrine sweat glands
      In humans, apocrine sweat glands serve no known function and are regarded as vestigial glands perhaps useful to our ancestors. They are located mainly in the underarm and genital areas. Like eccrine sweat, apocrine sweat is also produced in coiled tubules in the dermis, but the apocrine duct drains sweat into a hair follicle from which it reaches the skins surface. Contrary to popular belief, the sweat from apocrine glands is odorless. The action of normal skin bacteria on excreted apocrine sweat is responsible for body odor.

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    6. Re:Access to showers important... by roll_w.it · · Score: 1


      BTW: Real cyclists don't wear underwear.

      BTW: Real cyclists shave their legs

    7. Re:Access to showers important... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      BTW: Real cyclists don't wear underwear.

      BTW: Real cyclists shave their legs


      I think you're forgetting the most important point -


      Real cyclists aren't fat.

    8. Re:Access to showers important... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BTW: Real cyclists who are lazy have their legs waxed; That way they don't have to do anything for 4 weeks ;-)

    9. Re:Access to showers important... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The towel really stinks by the time you go home on a hot day. Be sure to bring a big zip-lock baggie to seal it up. I prefer a small day-pack to the panniers (less wind drag, and I don't like putting racks on a good road bike). To each their own...

      Bigger problem is anal-retentive PHB types who don't let you park your bike in cube-ville. They'd rather you left it outside in some flimsy-ass bike rack, so it can get ripped off or vandalized. Thank Dogbert for small businesses, where the boss sometimes rides to work!

    10. Re:Access to showers important... by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 2, Funny

      Every time you share on a P2P network, God kills a kitten.
      Please think of the kittens.

      Holy shit! We can break the copyright cartel and the cat overpopulation problem in one fell swoop! Sign me up!

    11. Re:Access to showers important... by rworne · · Score: 2, Informative

      BTW: Real cyclists shave their legs


      Ah, spoken like a true Roadie. I ride mountain bikes, and have no need for such aerodynamic folly. (Though shaving helps a lot with the road rash if you dump it).
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    12. Re:Access to showers important... by MCRocker · · Score: 2, Interesting
      How do you deal with being sweaty all day long at work?

      I had a really sweet (not sweat;) deal when I worked at Micron Technology in Boise ID. The busses there have bike racks on them and I lived on a hill. All I had to do was hop on the bike, roll down the hill and pop the bike on the rack on the bus. Then I enjoyed a nice leisurely ride to work while reading my magazine. With this setup, I could wear normal clothes in the morning and not need to have a shower when I got to work. Then, I could change into the cycling clothes I had in the paniers and put my work clothes back in the paniers for the 12 mile ride home. Heck, I could even do a little grocery shopping on the trip home if I had to.

      Some people seemed to think that this would take a lot of time, but the bike commute was 45 minutes and driving took 30 minutes with all of the traffic, so I got 45 minutes of exercise, plus 30 minutes of reading, avoided the hassle of driving and it only cost me 15 minutes a day!

      Unfortunately, I now live in New Jersey where it's not even safe to drive a car, let alone a bike, the roads are in horrible shape and I work from home, so there's no commute. Ah well, good things never last.

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    13. Re:Access to showers important... by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 2, Funny

      BTW: Real cyclists don't wear underwear.

      BTW: Real cyclists shave their legs.

      Hmmm. Are real cyclists women?

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    14. Re:Access to showers important... by Cornelius+Chesterfie · · Score: 1

      "BTW: Real cyclists don't wear underwear."

      Thanks for the info, I'll make sure to steer clear of real cyclists from now on!

    15. Re:Access to showers important... by Fwongo · · Score: 1

      Actually, apocrine glands are the ones that emit pheromones, our natural subconscious, near-odorless "scent" that allows others to subconsciously smell our characteristics - age, health, etc. So you're wrong. They serve a purpose, we've just deodorized and washed it out of existence. And yes, the body odor we consider unpleasant is caused by bacteria. Pheromones are, again, almost odorless.

    16. Re:Access to showers important... by Ratface · · Score: 1

      I noticed during the Tour De France coverage that apparently one of the main reasons pro-cyclists shave their legs is because they get a massage every day and having smooth legs helps avoid getting irritated hair follicles from the regular massaging.

      The other 2 reasons are to reduce infection chance if they get road-rash and quite simply to look good! The aerodynamic effect is negligible (even for top cyclists).

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    17. Re:Access to showers important... by me.at.work · · Score: 1

      The leg shaving isn't an "aerodynamic folly" AFAIK. Pro riders usually get a massage after races, and having shaved the hair off your legs makes it easier on both masseur and rider.

      Myself, riding MTB, I prefer to shave my legs cuz it makes it easier to apply muscle oil and balms. Plus it's easier to wash off after a ride/race.
      Then there's also the aesthetic side of it, it's (usually) more pleasing to see the muscles and tone.

    18. Re:Access to showers important... by mr+breakfast · · Score: 1

      Bollocks to aerodynamics, shaving your legs is equally useful to a mountain biker when the time comes to take off those plasters a day or two after you have stacked and injured yourself.

    19. Re:Access to showers important... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sweat also contains vast amounts of urea, which is also what makes up urine and gives it that distinct odor.

  290. People don't understand there are 2 kinds of carbs by MemeRot · · Score: 1

    Simple: white sugar, white bread
    Complex: whole grain, fruit

    Simple carbohydrates cause an immediate spike in blood sugar, followed by an immediate plummetting in blood sugar. While the blood sugar is spiked way up your body stores it as fat. Then when it plummets you're tired. When white sugar hits a civilization, that's when heart disease and a host of other problems skyrocket - it's a drug, not a food. Valueless for running a marathon.

    Complex carbs cause a gradual rise in blood sugar that never goes to super high levels, and there is less potential for socking it away as fat. Necessary for running a marathon.

    It took people a long time to figure out that there were good and bad cholesterols too, and there are still too many people who don't get the distinction and just focus on total level.

  291. So you're lazy like me? Tried the SimCycle? by henryweimd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm pretty lazy as it is, and overweight, so I received an Eloton Simcycle for my birthday. (About $75-$99 from a Sports Authority or so). It's roughly the size of a medium-sized dog or cat, but the difference between a dog or cat and this Simcycle is that you can pedal on the Simcycle, and the Simcycle is largely heavier and more solidly constructed than most dogs or cats. It's just two pedals on a large solid metal disc, with tension resistance from a nylon strap, in a chrome-plated type get-up.

    The interesting thing is that it has a serial-style interface that plugs into Windows PC's and comes with integrated software. Among other usual things (like reporting your speed / time / calories burned), it also has about 7 movies of outdoor courses which you can bike through, and an integrated MP3 player.

    Honestly, though, the software don't lend itself well to maintaining attention -- at least for me, anyhow. It makes me think of being on Gilligan's Island, and what would happen if the Professor rigged up a bamboo stationary bike to run a movie projector (which may very well have been an episode).

    But if you're looking for something to do while sitting down for hours on end (like I do on the couch while watching 80 channels of nothing on TV), and are content not to burn calories in as dedicated fashion as real exercise, you might try this. There's also apparently a strap you can get to lash your wheeled-chair to the Simcycle in order to stop you from careening off into the other end of the room.

    I haven't lost any weight from using this machine, and the thing now prevents my wife from sitting on my end of the couch, but it's fun to show people random technology, I guess.

    Slashdot has mentioned this "bike" before, in the context of an accessory, the GameBox, which allows you to control video games (partially) with the pedals.

    (I am a medical doctor, but none of this constitutes medical advice, nor is it an endorsement for the product.)

    (That being said, one piece of non-medical advice I do tend to give out to patients, and to not follow myself, is to tell people to physically remove their couches from their living rooms and replace them with exercise equipment.)

  292. No secrets, no magic by ThousandStars · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We all know how to get in better shape: eat less, exercise more. It's a simple formula that is expounded endlessly in the media. Most days I run a few miles after work; some people bike after work; others swim, play frisbee or train in martial arts. The fact is that if you want to exercise you will, if not you'll make excuses.

    On the food side, a few simple steps do wonders for most people:
    -Don't drink soda.
    -Don't eat fast food.
    -Buy nonfat milk, cheese and yogurt. (You don't drink milk or eat yogurt? Start.)
    -Eat breakfast. Every morning.
    -Have some fruit on the counter so you can grab a snack before work and after.
    -Make lunch. This will help you avoid fast food, pizza and greasy lunches.

    The library has a million fitness books, magazines and articles. They're useful for knowledge, but nothing will replace your own dedication. Everyone has an excuse as to why he or she doesn't have enough time or energy or whatever. There is no special way to start working out - you just have to do it, and no book can make you do it. Good luck.

  293. Simple simple simple by TomorrowPlusX · · Score: 1

    As a former fatty, I can say what I've done works, as I've gone from ~190 to ~160, and I *almost* have a six-pack (well, a visible two or three pack)

    First: Eat less.
    Second: Do more.

    Facetious? Yup. But seriously, that's *all* there is to it. Some people will have to work harder, of course, but the world isn't fair now is it.

    Me, I began to lose weight when I gave up eating out, and began to cook for myself exclusively (except for my wonderful GF who's an athlete and a greak cook). No more sugars, no more fast food. Just lean meats and fresh vegetables. Delicious, too! And spicy food is always good for you and in principle raises the metabolism.

    Then, I started riding my bike to work. It's a 10 mile commute (from downtown alexandria VA to downtown washington DC), just enough to get in a touch of workout, but not so much I'm tired. If anything, it's envigorating. I don't ever want to stop, to be frank.

    And that's it. No miracle diet, no silliness. Just *more* activity, and less fake-food.

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  294. Simple tips by pla · · Score: 4, Informative

    if you drink pop all day, all of the sugar accumulates.

    I agree with that one 100%. At my previous workplace, we had free soda fountains for the engineers, and I would literally consume up to a gallon of Mountain Dew each day. Switching to diet Dew, though I had to buy it myself, cut literally 1500 calories per day from my diet, and it didn't "hurt" (in the sense of having to go without something) at all.


    As a fairly typical geek, I tend to dislike most sports (particularly those involving "teams" - stupid primate dominance rituals). I also cannot stand going to the gym - You have to deal with too many people unless you go at obscene times of the day, bad smells, paying attention to which muscle groups you work, and at least one of my friends who go almost always have some gym-related injury they need to work around (Pulled neck, crunched knee, hyperextended bicep, blah blah blah). And, I personally consider going to a gym just incredibly boring.

    You might, however, find that you enjoy an alternative form of exercise.

    Personally, I enjoy hiking, and just getting out at least once each weekend for a good 4-6 hour hike will both keep you toned and keep the weight down.

    Alternatively, swimming burns massive amounts of calories, and you don't even need to sweat while doing it.

    As another nice alternative, though it does tend to involve a small number of other people, try taking up a martial art (a "real" one, not cardio-kickboxing or one of the cheesy pseudo martial arts designed just to give you an aerobic workout). I formerly took Kempo (and will again, when I find a good dojo in the area to which I moved), and found it quite enjoyable. You'll find yourself in the best shape of your life, it won't bore you nearly as much as going to the gym, since it engages your mind as well as your body, and as a side effect you'll gain the ability to defend yourself if you ever have a need to do so.


    The real "secret", though, doesn't count as a secret at all. Limit your caloric intake and/or get more exercise. No other "fad" will help you, they all just find ways to hide the discomfort of denying our genetic predisposition to eating as much as possible in case of a famine. Find something you enjoy, and do it. Try a lot of different activities, you must like something. And find little ways to burn more calories during the day (walk/bike to work and/or lunch, if possible; Always take the stairs rather than the elevator; walk to a coworker's cubical rather than calling or emailing someone 50 feet away).

    1. Re:Simple tips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "As a fairly typical geek, I tend to dislike most sports (particularly those involving "teams" - stupid primate dominance rituals"

      It sounds like you have some real anti-social tendencies more than anything else. Team sports teach about working together which is a very important quality to have which will serve you well in life. I'd hate to have to be a co-worker of anyone who hates being part of a team.

    2. Re:Simple tips by The+J+Kid · · Score: 1

      Alternatively, swimming burns massive amounts of calories, and you don't even need to sweat while doing it.

      Yes, swimming is actually considerd to be the best excersice, as it trains all muscles and burns (as you said) one heck of a lot of calories.

      Added to a healthy diet (lot's of water! Almost no junk food!) you'll be in good shape for the rest of your life.

      You actually get to meet people too!

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    3. Re:Simple tips by Eccles · · Score: 1

      As a fairly typical geek, I tend to dislike most sports (particularly those involving "teams" - stupid primate dominance rituals).

      If you're exercising for health, you're probably better off. The risk with sports is injury, as they're not typically designed with low-impact in mind. I was hoping to lose weight by playing lots of indoor soccer, but quadricep pulls and sore achilles tendons have limited its effectiveness.

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    4. Re:Simple tips by pla · · Score: 1

      It sounds like you have some real anti-social tendencies more than anything else

      Like I said, "As a fairly typical geek...". Does the phrase "extroverted geek" sound like anything but an oxymoron in most people's opinion? ;-)

      Seriously, though, team sports have one major drawback as a form of exercise for geeks - they require a dozen or so people to all manage to schedule the same period of time free, at least once or twice a week. Personally, I have a fairly small group of close friends (hey, I admit it, I tend toward introversion, though not actually antisocial), and have difficulty getting more than two or three to arrange for simultaneous free time even with a month's notice, nevermind once a week.

      Now, a one-on-one or two-on-two type game, I don't so much mind, and doesn't take too much work to schedule. However, I don't think I'd really consider that a "team" sport.


      It sounds like you have some real anti-social tendencies more than anything else

      Coding does not occur as a "team" effort. Each person codes to some portion of a spec, and if they all do it well, those distinct parts work together as a whole (and if everyone doesn't do their share, it doesn't take much reading of code to figure out who failed to pull their weight). Subdividing a task among a group of people does not automatically make that group a "team", it makes a group of indiduals working toward a (coincidentally common) goal.

      Sorry I don't share the more common human pack mentality, but, as they say, "team" has no "I" in it - a cheesy platitude that cuts both ways, and with which I wholeheartedly agree (in its less common interpretation). I work for pay. I code for my benefit, not for the good of the group. Screw the "team", I whore my skills to the highest bidder, do my job damn well, and couldn't care less about what the rest of the "team" does with their time. If they stare at porn all day, no skin off my back. When projects come due, when code audits occur when review time comes, the driftwood floats away, and I'll still draw a salary.


      I'd hate to have to be a co-worker of anyone who hates being part of a team.

      In my experience, the only people who like "teams" come from the same group who would cease to have gainful employment if not for the more productive members of such teams.

      And incidentally, I get along rather well with coworkers. I suspect you have confused my preference for "personal accountability" with "antisocial". They do not mean the same thing. I don't mind giving coworkers a hand, I enjoy socializing with like-minds, and I don't even mind asking others for a hand when I need it. I just do not like having my performance evaluated on the basis of whatever schmucks management decides to stick me with on a given project (or, to relate this back to something a tad less offtopic, losing a game because a given teammate couldn't catch a pop-fly to center, couldn't kick a goal on an empty field, or couldn't shoot a 6' high hoop standing right next to it). I don't consider that unreasonable, wanting evaluation based on my own merits rather than the average of mine and someone else's (and that applies to those better than me, as well - They fully deserve a better evaluation than me, and I would feel terrible to drag someone "god-like" down because I only count as "above average" at something).

    5. Re:Simple tips by fitzsimj · · Score: 1

      Regarding gyms and going to them, I think they're the perfect compliment to the nerd psyche. Once you get over that initial, intimidating phase of learning the layout of the gym, learning technique, and coming up with a regular and effective workout pattern, you can come in and essentially 'zone out' in your own little world of concentration.

      Much like coding, it gives an excellent environment for repeatability and challenge which can lead to 'flow'. You know how you can sometimes sit down at the keyboard and begin crunching a fun problem and whole hours pass effortlessly by as you hack away in effective bliss? That's 'flow'. A similar thing happens when you develop a method for concentration at the gym.

      Three points of advice:
      1) Find a very knowledgeable friend or a really good personal trainer to help you learn HOW to lift. Technique is all-important to learning to enjoy yourself without injuries.
      2) ALWAYS go to the gym on days when you feel like it. Even if you were just there the previous day, if you find the thought of going again is appealing -- do it!
      3) FORCE yourself to go at least 'x' times per week (you decide on the value of 'x'). So if you're having a bad week and #2 isn't helping, make yourself get out of your chair and head down to the gym. You'll find that once you break that initial bad habit of sloth and begin your workout, you'll be re-enegized and have a good workout.

      The _worst_ elements of gyms are joining and dealing with the membership jerkoffs. Talk to your employer and call your health insurer to see if they have any affiliations. ANYTHING to avoid dealing with the cheap sales tactics employed by the membership 'consultants'.

      If you can make it past the first two weeks, you've developed a habit and beaten the biggest challenge. Within six months you'll be seeing _real_ results and this will greatly increase your enthusiasm. At this point, you've developed a lifestyle and will likely be able to stick with it indefinitely.

    6. Re:Simple tips by Steeltoe · · Score: 1

      It sounds like you have some real anti-social tendencies more than anything else. Team sports teach about working together which is a very important quality to have which will serve you well in life. I'd hate to have to be a co-worker of anyone who hates being part of a team.

      I can understand him. I think it's more about the concept of the other team he's talking about. Teamgames are usually just to win over the other team. Then the winners feel "good" and the losers feel "bad". Ie, it's a bet where you invest your happiness and energy, and the winners take-all. Often there is little cooperation involved: You do what you do, just to score AGAINST the Other Team.

      If you want to call that antisocial, then count me out of socialism (although I like sports).

    7. Re:Simple tips by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Well, here's my secret: Netflix.
      I find exercise as boring as anyone, and due to earlier sports injuries, simply cannot do anything with any impact. So I bought a recumbent bike and a nice home theater system. Now 4 days a week I spend an hour on the bike (300 calories burned....gosh they go away slowly), AND get to see all the movies that I've always 'meant' to see.
      I run through 15-20 movies per month, and am at least staying stable at my weight.

      Diet helps too, I hope:
      1 liter OJ and a bagel for breakfast
      Subway Club with diet pepsi & baked lays for lunch
      dinner of whatever's made, usually something moderate (a couple pieces of pizza, etc).
      2-3 liters of water a day in addition

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  295. "little" belly? by JudgeFurious · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't know about the rest of you but if I don't do something soon I'm going to go "Marlon Brando".

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  296. Beer at work? by Traicovn · · Score: 1

    I know it's real bad in my office, especially with all the beer I consume.

    You get to consume beer at work and your complaining? Drink more beer, you'll forget that you have any problem.

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  297. Change your chair! by Numerica · · Score: 1

    I've found that changing to a balance ball instead of a chair at work not only can allow you to do less obvious abdominal exercise while it work, but it also helps your posture and because of the strengthening of your back and butt muscles also will alleviate back pain. Pretty New Age-y, but also effective. Kind of fun too. I have one in front of my home computer too...

  298. It's not just the calories by bobKali · · Score: 1

    It's also your metabolism. Carbohydrates can increase the insulin levels in your blood which (to my understanding) can increase the percentage of calories that get converted into fat.

    Better, I think, to get most of your calories from protien since that can still be burned for energy and will not impact your insulin levels.

    Also, exercise is great, and important for overall health, but it is so much easier to lose weight by adopting a healthier diet than by keeping a rotten diet and just exercising more.

    1. Re:It's not just the calories by Toasty981 · · Score: 1

      Yep. That's why in weight lifting, you try to avoid carbs and maximize protein for optimal muscle building. You obviously don't avoid carbs altogether, but they sort of "block" muscle building because of how our bodies are built. We are really poorly equipped for carb conversion...so simply give it a few thousand years and let evolution do the trick :)

      The bad thing is that protein is often found in foods that aren't exactly great for you IMO. Protein s are often found in calorie dense foods, like peanuts, and in red meats, dairy, etc. All these will lead to excess weight, as your body simply drains away unused protein (unlike carbs, which yeah, basically become fat.)

      Like I said, I'm simply of the belief that carb foods are typically healthier for you in the long run.

  299. Whoda thunkit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm frankly amazed at the response you've gotten here on /.
    You'd think everybody here was in fantastic shape. So I have to wonder why nobody's gettin' laid.

  300. How to be a techie that's in great shape by bigberk · · Score: 1

    First, I commute to work by bicycle. This isn't possible for everyone but it might be more "possible" than you think -- try it out one day, how long does it take you to bike to work? Rush hour is easier on cyclists. I can actually bike to work faster than my bus during rush hour.

    Many progressive employers offer shower facilities to employees who do morning exercise. Half an hour of biking each trip, and you're looking at an hour of vigorous cardio workout a day. That is HUGE.

    Next, it's important to take the stairs whenever possible. Stair climbing is great exercise, and it fits right into the "office" routine. You can even make extra trips for the hell of it.

  301. My exercise routine. by DarkHelmet · · Score: 1
    I've known this problem quite well, and I've started to address it.

    The first thing I did that I think has helped me out is seriously get a gym membership.

    I go to 24 hour fitness. I know they're not everywhere in the US, but pretty much any gym should suffice.

    Get a personal trainer. Even if just for a few sessions in the beginning. I've found it helpful to learn how to use the machines without possibly injuring myself in the process.

    I've bounced around a lot in weight. The problem I've found with a routine is that I end up quitting or cutting down on things when I get injured. So having someone to help teach you the basics is vital.

    Watch what you eat. I cannot stress this enough. The best way I have this figured out is to create a daily meal plan with calories, etc. Since my sister owns three Subways, I end up going to Subway twice a day to get food. I typically get a meatball at night, and a turkey during the day. For you, a regular sandwich should do fine.

    Doing things around the office isn't really enough. Nutritionists and doctors say that you need at least 20 minutes of cardiovascular exercise at a time in order for the effects to really take place. Yes, climbing the stairs at work might help bit by bit, but you're cheating yourself out of something consistent.

    Drink less beer! The cause of a beer gut typically is your liver increasing in size. Since the liver has an incredible ability to regenerate, if you cut down on getting drunk, your liver should be fine within 8-10 months.

    Finally, quit caffiene. I know that ThinkGeek promotes it like crazy, but it's seriously not worth it. I've felt better since I've quit. I used to drink three 1-liter bottles of diet coke a day. I've been regular hours since I've stopped.

    All this, and you should start noticing improvements. I started feeling better within a week of starting. Stick at it for a month, and you'll lose a few pounds. Stick at it for a year, and who knows.

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  302. hmmm by MemeRot · · Score: 1

    BBQ sauce is high in sugar.

    What kind of protein powder? Whey protein commonly used by weightlifters is SO easy to absorb that up to half of it can be used for energy if your body doesn't have carbs to burn - so having some carbs then can help the protein turn into muscle which i'm guessing is what you want.

    1. Re:hmmm by phorm · · Score: 1

      It's vanilla flavoured (as opposed to completely-crap-flavored) Whey-based (but low-carb) Protein powder.
      I'll have to check my BBQ sauce... I usually go for hot stuff as opposed to sweet. Did you know that eating a lot of hot peppers etc is supposed to help, as it bumps your metabolism for awhile (it can also send you to "flush" before you absorb too much food, depending on what you eat, but that's not entirely healthy).

  303. beats me by glwtta · · Score: 1

    I bike to work (about 45 minutes each way), usually go to the gym for about an hour during the day, eat well, don't eat crap between meals and drink nothing but water - and I am still a lardass.

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  304. Recent news. Re:My own recommended tips by saitoh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    > If you can't do that, then do what I did at my last job - squeeze it in. Park at the farthest point you can so you have to walk into/out of work. If there's public transportation you can use, do that - if you have to drive all the way in, then park far. Believe it or not, but my last job I parked about a good block away.

    A report that was published in the last week or so gives more credence to the above then you would think at first. Walking from the back of the parking lot to and from work adds almost 1000 steps on average, and it only takes 2000 to keep off the 2-3lbs that Americans gain on average each year.

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  305. There is always dieting by Trolling4Dollars · · Score: 1

    See my journal entry on dieting for remarkable information on why some of us may be getting bellies, but not necessarily getting a lot heavier. It's not always fat. Sometimes it's just bloat.

  306. Get out and dance with real people by Biljrat · · Score: 1

    Very little experience necessary! You just need to be able to walk roughly in time with the music. Just google your way to a local contra or folk dance web-site, show up and dance (some folk dance groups have semi-formal class structure). Usually for less than $7 per night. People are waiting to dance with you! They are even willing, and in many cases eager, to teach you how! Want more challenge and better exercise? Try English or Scottish country dancing. Feeling like a God of Coordination? Try some Scandinavian or Balkan folk dancing. The closer you live the a decent sized metropolitan area, the more selection you have. You can dance in Berkeley, CA and Portland, OR every night of the week. Move to a different country? I have square and contra danced in Germany and Japan. You get exercise, you get to meet people. You are now a geek with a social life. (P.S.: I met my wife through folk dancing. YMMV.)

  307. Get over the lazy attitude. by mcguyver · · Score: 1

    There are no cliff notes to getting in shape. It takes effort. First thing you need to do is set a realistic goal. If your goal is to get rock hard abs while working in the office than you're over estimating yourself. Second thing you need to do is set aside time to reach your goal (outside of the office of course). I used to work 10 hours a day and put in an hour a day in the gym. It's doable - it's not for everyone, especially if you have a family but where there is a will there is a way. Last thing you need to do is think healthy. Cut back on caffine and fats. Eat more greens and health bars. Don't bother cutting back on beer. Going without beer is out of the question as far as I am concerned and don't let anyone tell you differently!

    Basically you get out of it what you put in. If you're only willing to exercise within the office then get used that gut because it's not going to dissapear. On the other hand if you can grow some balls and hit the gym on a regular basis then the sky is the limit.

  308. Rebuttal to the Atkin's diet by Fastball · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'll begin by noting that I'm a bread lover. Rolls, loaves, biscuits. All of them. You can put me on the Atkin's diet when you pry the Italian sweet loaf from my cold, dead fingers.


    I tried the Atkin's diet for two weeks, and it failed me. I didn't gain weight to my amazement, but I didn't lose any either. I did realize that it was silly to deprive myself of certain foods (breads, anything with a fair amount of carbs) because I live a whack, sedentary existence as a programmer. I gave up the protein-or-bust diet, bought a $50 elliptial machine (still working after 2 years), bought a road bike, and swore off fast food. Now I bike to work, mix in some work on the elliptial machine, and enjoy a diverse diet limited only by the number of calories and some fundamental nutritional requirements.


    I lost fifteen pounds in two months and have kept it off. I feel great. And most importantly, I don't feel deprived.


    What is it about our culture that makes us feel we have to go cold turkey on natural instincts? I say, "Want a slice of cake?" Have at it and attack that next hill on your bike this weekend. Angry at that girl that cut you off in traffic? Roll down your window and launch into a profanity-laden tirade the likes of which traffic has never seen so she thinks thirty-thousand times before doing it again.


    Goddamn these scientists that tell you what you can't eat. Goddamn the lawyers that put responsibility on trial. We live in a world of consequences, and your life is not the control group of a scientific experiment nor does it require the a writ of habeas corpus to satisfy someone else's lack of sensibilities. You can fend for yourself. You have it in you. Your ancestors would not been able to pass you the genetic torch if they did not have it. Life and happiness are not exclusive.

  309. Is this a joke? by euxneks · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Asking the slashdot readers how to get in shape?

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  310. You're full of yourself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude, nobody cares about you. But in case they do, I've extracted some highlights from your post:

    + I've been blessed with a decent matabilism [sic]
    + my coworkers are glad I have my own office
    + I don't drink it myself... I think it tastes like shit
    + Again, I have my own office
    + I am again blessed to have a gym right on the campus I work at
    + my last job I parked about a good block oway [sic]
    + I like women too much
    + I've been able to stay fit enough for wild monkey sex with my wife
    + I could probably even cut out the treadmill

    Less ego, more content next time...

  311. Guaranteed!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    0) Talk to doctor and smarten up.
    1) Reduce beer to once a week, or even better, once every two weeks.
    2) Start eatting correctly - more than once a day - Good breakfast, veggie(non-starch)/fruit snacks, good lunch, veggie(non-starch)/fruit snacks, easy dinner (nothing bigger than your fist(steak is 1 fist in size, potatoe is 1 fist in size, etc and don't have a huge platefull.. bad!) but all the veggies(non-starch) you can eat), light snack in the evening. This brings your metabolism up and will increase fat burn. Loose the fatty/sugary/salty snacks, reduce caffeine or get rid of it. Down the road you can get back to things.
    3) Exercise a minimum 4 times a week 1 hour a session. Cardio (running, biking, etc) so that it feels like you are doing something. Weights, etc.. try walking for an hour.. that helps.. gets your metabolism up.. plus the fresh air helps.
    4) Go to 1 once in while to check up and go to 2 for the rest of your life.
    5) After 2 months, see how you've lost the weight, be happy... you will notice people commenting on you've lost weight.. cool.
    6) Keep it up.. for the rest of your life.
    7) Have those things you gave up on a monthly or at most bi-weekly basis in moderation... don't go HOG wild eh!
    8) When you are happier.. you'll have less stress, etc.. which is what the beer is compensating for. It's tough.. but you have to actively make choices every day.. even when going out to a restaurant (ask for a vinagrette instead of the ranch dressing.. avoid butter, high fat milk products, high fat cheese - choose skim or 1%, pork products, fatty beef. Beef.. keep to once a week if you can. Turkey & chicken without skin are great! Sushi - very good!

    Good foods: Lettuce, avocado, beets (for cholesterol), tomatos (and heat processed tomato products without much salt or sugar), cucumbers, flax seed, soy products (good for cholesterol), nuts (in moderation), other non-starch veggies, omega-3 fish and oils (salmon, etc.. look it up), canola oil, olive oil, peanut oil, whole grains, oats really good (fibre cleans you out quicker so less chance of fat to stay).

    Above all.. this is a life-time choice.. stick with it after the first month and you are laughing.

    Down the road.. enjoy those things you gave up again.. they'll taste different.. and better!

  312. Two words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Atkins Diet... Perfect for the solth or consultant lifestyle...

  313. 6-in-1 excercise bike by guanxi · · Score: 1

    At home, even if you can't do it at the office, use an excercise bike instead of a chair for whatever your sedentary hobby is (TV, reading, computer -- my laptop sits on a 5 foot high desk, under which I place my bike -- etc.).

    It takes some concentration, at first, to keep your legs moving while you do the other activity, but if you can walk and chew gum, you can do it.

  314. Alcohol calories aren't equivalent. by mellon · · Score: 2, Informative

    When you drink alcohol, it tweaks your liver's ability to metabolize the calories. So you wind up depositing more fat. It also damages your liver, so that you deposit more fat even when you don't have any alcohol in your system.

    Beer and wine are yummy, but there's a reason why they call a potbelly a "beer belly." If you want the potbelly to go away, you can't drink "a lot" of beer. Exercising will help, but if you already have the potbelly, and you want it to go away, just ditch the beer.

    You might also ask yourself why you're working ten hours a day. Trust me, on your deathbed you're not going to look back and ask yourself, "darn, why couldn't I have worked *just a few more hours*?!?"

    1. Re:Alcohol calories aren't equivalent. by logpoacher · · Score: 2, Insightful
      >You might also ask yourself why you're working ten hours a day. Trust me, on your deathbed
      >you're not going to look back and ask yourself, "darn, why couldn't I have worked *just
      >a few more hours*?!?"

      :-) Yeah, but it depends if you like and respect what you do.


      Some (not all!) of my happy memories are of times when a group of us put serious effort in at work and achieved something nobody thought we could do. And some of my regrets are of times when work became "just a job", and we failed to achieve much because there was no spirit.

  315. A few things I haven't seen mentioned yet... by Eneff · · Score: 1
    and watch, I missed someone's reply and get modded redundant...

    Stress is a hidden enemy. You're working 50s, so I'm guessing that beer has been your stress reduction technique. Take the beer out just for a few weeks, and try alternative stress reduction techniques. Exercise is one. I like meditation, but it's certainly not for everyone.

    Find a partner. I have failed a few times because I didn't have anyone to keep me accountable. That's what a workout partner is for. It also allows for...

    Weight training. Anarobic exercise (also acheivable through calesthenics) is key to building up the muscle which takes more energy to run. The more muscle you have, the more calories you burn, the more beer you can consume.I saw The 5BX plan mentioned earlier. From what I can see, it's a good place to start.

    Have acheivable goals. Don't set yourself up for failure. However,

    Write down your goals. Studies have shown that writin down and vocalizing a goal keeps you on track. Now, I'm still on my way, but this is what I'm doing. (BTW, My goal is to be down to 12-15% body fat by the end of the year from about 20. From what I've read, that's an acheivable goal.

  316. Health Advice by JynX76 · · Score: 1

    Q: I've heard that cardiovascular exercise can prolong life. Is this true? A: Your heart is good for only so many beats & that's it. Everything wears out eventually. Speeding up your heart will not make you live longer; it's just the opposite. It's like saying you can extend the life of your car by driving it faster. Want to live longer? Take a nap. Q: Should I cut down on meat & eat more fruits & vegetables? A: You must grasp logistical efficiencies. What does a cow eat? Hay & corn. And what are these? Vegetables. So a steak is nothing more than an efficient mechanism of delivering vegetables to your system. Need grain? Eat chicken. Beef is also a good source of field grass - green leafy vegetables! And a pork chop can give you 100% of your recommended daily allowance of vegetable slop. Q: Are beer & wine bad for me? A: Look, this goes to the earlier point about fruits & vegetables. As we all know, scientists divide everything in the world into three categories: animal, mineral & vegetable. We all know that beer & wine are not animal, & they're not on the periodic table of elements, so that only leaves one thing, right? My advice: Have a burger & a beer & enjoy your liquid vegetables. Q: How can I calculate my body/fat ratio? A: Well, if you have a body, & you have body fat, your ratio is one to one. If you have two bodies, your ratio is two to one, etc. Q: At the gym, a guy asked me to "spot" for him while he did the bench press. What did he mean? A: "Spotting" for someone means you stand over him while he blows air up your shorts. It's an accepted practice at health clubs; however, if you find that it becomes the ONLY reason why you're going in, you probably ought to re-evaluate your exercise program (you pervert!) Q: What are some of the advantages of participating in a regular exercise program? A: Sorry ... can't think of a single one. My philosophy is: No Pain - No Pain. And remember, if you want to stay in shape, round IS a shape. Q: Will sit-ups help prevent me from getting a little soft around the middle? A: Definitely not! When you exercise a muscle, it gets bigger. You should be doing sit-ups only if you want a bigger stomach. I hope this has cleared up any misconceptions you may have had regarding food & exercise. Now go be good to yourself. Be healthy & happy. Have a steak, drink some booze, then take a nap.

    1. Re:Health Advice by MrPink2U · · Score: 1

      Bottoms Up!

      Sorry I don't have any mod points left. Someone give this a (+1 Funny) for me!

  317. Shomen Uchi Ikkio Omote Waza by lateralus · · Score: 1

    I'm in a potentially similar situation. I do Aikido 4 times a week during the evenings / nights.

    Maybe you can check out different martial arts near where you live/work.

    Eventually you could say "I know Kung-Foo!" and your boss will go "Show me.".

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  318. This may not be the most popular idea.... by apschexn · · Score: 1

    I work out everyday. Lift weights or run. I find the time to do this because I get all my work done as fast as possible so I am not sitting for 10-12 hours. Now I know that my job may be an exception to the rule being that alot managers think the time sitting at a desk equals the amount of work you output. Also, even if you work until 7pm you still have a long time before going to bed. Get a gym membership near your house ( if it is not convienent you won't go ) and spend 30 mins on the treadmill listening to your favorite music or get your tv watching in right there.

  319. Not true. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    spring water loses any befirts after having been out of the ground for 2 hours

    Unless "befirts" is actually a word, and you meant to say that, and it means something that goes out of spring water shortly after it's taken, then I'd have to disagree.

    Spring water is supposed to be beneficial from 1) being clean, 2) containing nutritious minerals. Any container you use is going to dirty it as much as the bottling process does, and the minerals stay in.

    High water intake is yet another silly health fad, like megadosing vitamins. Your body knows what you need. Drink water when thirsty, or to avoid becoming thirsty when you know it's going to be inconvenient to drink for a while. The only trick is not to drink something that dehydrates you, like beer or a caffeinated drink, when you're thirsty.

    By the way... please don't use abbreviations like "YMOYL" specifically to refer people to something they haven't read and probably haven't heard of. You're getting stupid all over the carpet.

    1. Re:Not true. by enomar · · Score: 1

      High water intake is yet another silly health fad,

      I think the idea is to trick your body into feeling full. It seems to work for me, but it could be purely psychological.

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    2. Re:Not true. by autechre · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh, look! A Google search for "YMOYL" turns up the book I was mentioning, first hit. Oh, the agony of my strenuous effort! Would you like me to try a Google search for "AC get stuffed" next?

      I feel better when I have more water. I drink more than most people, and I rarely get sick. Are these necessarily related? No, but I don't see any health problems from drinking a good amount of water, so I'll continue to do it. I'm not talking about an uncomfortable amount, just more than most people.

      ("megadosing" vitamins, OTOH, has measurable detriments, or in the case of water-soluble vitamins, is just useless.)

      As for bottled water, you should be able to tell by tasting your tap water whether you really need it or not. Some tap water is just bad; don't drink it. My tap water is good, so more $$ for me. Something has to make up for everything closing at 10pm.

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    3. Re:Not true. by farrellj · · Score: 1

      Most bottled water is really just repackaged tap water...check places like consumer reports and such. Unfortunately, like many things, let the buyer beware!

      ttyl
      Farrell

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    4. Re:Not true. by OldCrasher · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think your wrong on both counts:
      1) being clean
      Seems that most true spring water is full of microbial and bacterial life that is generally excused from water purity laws that would have tap water turned off immediately.
      2) containing nutritious minerals
      Heavy metals, dissolved radioactive gases and other such nutritious minerals may be good for you but leave a nasty taste in my mouth.



    5. Re:Not true. by 10Ghz · · Score: 1

      Yep. Try reading "Evian" backwards.

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      Lesbian Nazi Hookers Abducted by UFOs and Forced Into Weight Loss Programs - -all next week on Town Talk.
    6. Re:Not true. by smagruder · · Score: 1

      Heavy metals, dissolved radioactive gases and other such nutritious minerals may be good for you but leave a nasty taste in my mouth.

      Yes, like Klingon food for Scotty, too many spring waters leave me with a sour stomach. It's far better to stick to purified waters.

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      Steve Magruder, Metro Foodist
    7. Re:Not true. by carlos_benj · · Score: 1

      High water intake is yet another silly health fad, like megadosing vitamins. Your body knows what you need. Drink water when thirsty....

      Dehydration can occur precisely because the person didn't feel thirsty and followed advice like yours.

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      As a matter of fact, I am a lawyer. But I play an actor on TV.

  320. WOW.. by msimm · · Score: 1

    Quit BEING an ASSHOLE.

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    Quack, quack.
  321. Bullshit by tomblackwell · · Score: 1

    The Atkins diet puts your body in a state of ketosis. This is *not* good.

    You don't know what you're talking about. Ketosis is the burning of fat, and the usage of ketones to fuel the body. It is the opposite of fat storage. We have evolved to store fat, and to burn it. When we are in ketosis, we burn fat and use ketones to fuel our activity.

    1. Re:Bullshit by thebatlab · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm aware of what ketosis is. I did some extra research just now to be fully aware of what it is. My understanding was a mixture of ketosis and ketoacidosis. However, I still partially stand by my original comment and would like to rephrase how I stated it. It puts your body in a *virtually perpetual* state of ketosis. This is not good. Ketosis yes. Perpetual no. Your body needs carbs and the problem with Atkins is people take it to the extreme and completely cut out carbs. Dieting and nutrition is a vast field and there is lots of confusion over what works and what doesn't. The vast majority of what I've read says that you need carbs to more efficiently fuel the body though they should be restricted. My understanding of the Atkins diet is that it wants you to limit carbs to virtually nothing.

    2. Re:Bullshit by ilsie · · Score: 1

      My understanding of the Atkins diet is that it wants you to limit carbs to virtually nothing.

      Well then, your understanding of the Atkins diet is severely flawed. Maybe you should read the book/website for more information before spreading Atkins FUD. You limit your carbs to 20g a day for the first 2 WEEKS, at which point, you begin to slowly introduce them back into your diet. The idea is to do this until you are at the final stage of the diet- lifetime maintenance- in which the average person should consume about 1/3 the USRDA of recommended carbs (i.e. 100g). Keep in mind, these are LOW GLYCEMIC INDEX carbs such as whole grains, veggies, nuts, and berries. You can never eat refined sugar/white flour again. So please do some extra research on top of your extra research before posting next time.

    3. Re:Bullshit by thebatlab · · Score: 1

      First, if you think someones understanding is flawed, point it out in a better way than "do more research". In short, don't be an ass. Not everyone can have the whole story before posting a comment and that's what the "Reply to This" link is about. To help inform the misinformed which I was in this case. Thank you for helping clear up my position on the Atkins diet. I've also retracted my position prior to this comment in response to another person who pointed out my misinformation without the added bonus of trying to cut me down.

    4. Re:Bullshit by ilsie · · Score: 1

      Ah, well I apologize for being an ass. You have to understand my position, however. I've been on Atkins for some time now, and most of the time I just want to mind my own business, and want others to mind theirs. However, there have been a choice few who feel the need to berate me for my choice of diet, telling me how unhealthy it is to eat butter soaked lard etc. etc. Essentially, they know nothing about Atkins aside from the fact that you eat some meat and fat.

      The ironic thing is, I really dont care what these people think, but somehow they wont shut up, and that usually ends with me being curt and short with them.

      Anyways, sorry.

  322. Push ups won't help, dude by [l0l]Bobo · · Score: 1

    Sit ups either, unless you are fit enough that you can do those long enough. FYI, I'm no trainer, this is just what I hear at the gym...

    They definitely will build your arms and abs though, but unless you can keep at it for extended periods of time, you won't be burning fat.

    I think I'm in pretty good shape for a programmer ( Taekwon-do 2-3 times a week, squash 1-2 times a week, slightly under normal weight), and although it's not something I aim for, I can't do enough push ups to consider it a weight-losing exercise. If I push myself I can do a few series of 100 situps, at that level it might start helping.

    But if you want to lose weight, nothing beats a 30-45 minute session of biking at a good pace (nothing that'll make your heart jump out, then you'd be working on your cardio and it's overkill, just the effort level at which you're sweating). Stationay bikes in gyms have heartrate monitors and a little graphs that tell you the target heart rate to lose weight that is right for your age.

  323. It's a myth by metalhed77 · · Score: 1

    most foods are largely water, and those count. 8 glasses a day is correct, except you get a large amount from solid foods.

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    1. Re:It's a myth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Weight Watchers recommends only 48oz per day and that's for people trying to loose weight and some of that can be caffeine free 0 calorie drink i.e. diet 7up.

    2. Re:It's a myth by DjMd · · Score: 3, Funny

      "caffeine free"

      YOU MONSTER!
      Oh the humanity!

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    3. Re:It's a myth by LaForce · · Score: 2, Funny

      Caffeine free..... You mean free as in beer?

    4. Re:It's a myth by DeputySpade · · Score: 1

      For the love of God, mod that up.

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    5. Re:It's a myth by japhmi · · Score: 1

      Caffeine free..... You mean free as in beer?

      No, this is slashdot, so it's free as in speach.

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      "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys" P. J. O'Rourke
  324. Dude, work out... by Capt_Troy · · Score: 1

    I had the same problem. So I just went out and joined a nice gym. I've never enjoyed working out much, but I must say that I particually enjoy going to the gym. There's something to be said for the willpower that 80 bucks a month generates. I go at least 4 times a week and I've trimmed down by about 25 pounds. I have some nice tone now too. Here are my milestones (I've already reached milestone 1 and am working on 2).

    1) Toby Mcguire (Cider house Rules): get rid of excess flab.
    2) Toby McGuide (Spiderman): Fill my cloths back in with some muscle.
    3) VIN Freakin DESIEL.

    There's a lot of "clench your buttocks while your sitting on your ass" advise going around here. There is only one good way to lose weight, work out, increase your cardiovascular abilities, turn that metabolism back up where it is supposed to be. Otherwise, one twinky and your shot to hell again.

    You should check out some gyms, there are a lot of cheap ones there, but I like the fancy locker-rooms and in house nutritionists and health professionals that you get if you can afford it...

    Troy

  325. Try Muscle Milk brand. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the best way to make that protein-powder crap taste actually pretty good

    It actually tastes pretty good just with water. Pretty effective too.

  326. Schwartzenegger's Immutable law of dieting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You've got to go hungry, and you've got to stay hungry"
    (yeah, yeah, I know, the line wasn't about dieting. But it's still true about dieting.)

  327. Hacker's Diet by Dis____dance · · Score: 1

    Check out the Hacker's Diet. The only guide to losing weight you ever needed. I particularly like the rubber bag theorem. http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/www/hackdiet.html

  328. Simple Answer by zensmile · · Score: 1

    1. Get up at 4:30 (am) and jog for 30 minutes to an hour before work. 4 days a week.

    2. Cross-train. Yoga, cycle, swim, resistance training, etc. 1 morning a week. There are plenty of yoga DVDs or bike shops everywhere.

    3. Stop drinking beer. Stop drinking soda and sugary drinks. No more desserts and pastries. Period.

    You will lose the weight.

  329. Resign from the clean plate club by guanxi · · Score: 1

    Many people decide how much to eat based on how much they are served, which makes absolutely no sense if you think about it.

    If you're no longer hungry, stop eating. The cook at the restaurant has no idea how much you want when he makes your dinner. Neither does Ronald McDonald.

    CNN had a story on it recently:
    http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/diet.fit ness/07/18/ portions.reut/index.html

  330. Get out of there! by DrWhizBang · · Score: 1

    Personally, I sit at a computer desk for 10 hours a day

    I think you should probably start right there. "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy..." It also makes Jack fat. If you are working those kind of hours, it is going to be very difficult to feel like exercising when the day is done, and it is certain thtat the other inhabitants of the cube farm will never take well to someone doing pushup in the office.

    If you have to work those long hours (i.e. you can't negotiate in your current job, or get another one), then get out for a long lunch and go to the gym. Or go for a walk. You will never find it easy to stay in shape when you spend 10 hours/day chained to the tube.

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  331. Carbs by boarder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are two main types of carbs: Simple and Complex.

    Simple carbs are those that can't be broken down into anything more useful than just calories. These are things like junk foods (cookies, chips, ice cream, etc).

    Complex carbs can be broken down into simpler parts: sugar, fibre, nutrients, etc. These are things like bread and cereal, fruits and vegetables. They have calories and sugars, too, but once broken down they are healthier.

    The Atkins diet ONLY succeeds because people cut out junk foods since they are carbs. It would work just as well if they only cut out junk food.

    To stay on topic, though... the biggest thing for this guy is to cut out the damn beer. Alcohol is empty calories. It gives your body nothing but calories. Oh, and screw those fat asses that look at you weird at work. If they have a problem with you trying to get in shape while at work, that's their issue, not yours.

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  332. Re:People don't understand there are 2 kinds of ca by sgups · · Score: 1

    thanks..now i know why i avoid white bread..have to yet totally give up on white sugar.

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  333. Increase your metabolism rate by Zen+Mastuh · · Score: 1

    Nobody (well, I assume nobody...) wakes up one morning and announces "Gee, I think I would like to get really really huge". What happens? In general, as you age your metabolism slows. You also quit riding your bike or playing ball or having sex or whatever helped you burn calories. If you continue to consume the same level of calories as your metabolism increases, voila, your ass gets bigger.

    A calorie-reducing diet plan requires an extraordinary amount of discipline, so you should also work on the other half of the problem--your metabolism. Start taking some yoga classes. Don't expect quick results: keep doing it instead. After several months of regular practice, ask your instructor about specific asanas that increase internal heat. Also ask about pranayama.

    I'm normally sized (6'1", 140#, 6% body fat, 18.2 B.M.I.) for a man of my vata frame, but since I started my advanced yoga/pranayama practice my caloric intake has had to increase nearly 20% for me to maintain my weight.

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  334. Kettlebells! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    www.dragondoor.com

    What are they: spherical weights with a handle on the side. They don't take up much room (they'd fit under your desk), there's a huge variety of exercises available, and they don't take much room to do them in - just a few square feet.
    Martial artists: these are a MUST.

    Benefits: these train strength/endurance, and will enhance your muscular strength and endurance along with cardio fitness. My resting heart rate is 60, and I can hit 150 bpm after 20 sec of exercise with my 72 lb. kettlebell. This training won't make you big and muscular or really strong (unlike say powerlifting or weightlifting) but it WILL burn off fat and make you very, very fit with a lot of carryover to other activities.

    Downside: The workouts can be as brutal as you can take 'em - you can go easy or find yourself puking in 5 minutes or anything in between. They are also addictive and you will tend to attract strange looks while using them, although onlookers will be very intimidated by them once you explain how to use 'em.

    Sizes: they come in various sizes from 8 to 88 lbs from Dragondoor.

    Combine this with the work you're already doing running stairs, push ups, and pullups and you're all set dude.

    -AC, a very happy KB'er

  335. get a divorce by trix_e · · Score: 1

    I lost a ton of weight when I went through my divorce. didn't even feel like eating...

    oh sure, I didn't get a divorce with the express purpose of losing weight, it was just a nice side-effect.

    I'm now remarried. Armed with this knowledge, as my weight creeps back up, I feel the nuptual bonds weakening...

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    No man is an island, but Gary is a city in Indiana.
  336. Consume Less Calories Than You Burn by rgf71 · · Score: 1

    I concur with all the posters who pointed out this fact.

    It's not rocket science. You just need to conjur up your self-discipline.

    Decide how many calories you need to consume to remain healthy. Nutritional Calculator>

    Count your calories. Here

    Cardio (jumping rope, jogging, bicycling, swimming, masturbating furiously, etc), while it only burns so many calories at a time, WILL increase your "resting metabolism", thus making your body burn more calories throughout the day.

    Resistence training (lifting heavy weights.. not sissy 20-rep weight... I'm talking 4-6 max rep range) will pack on solid, lean muscle. That also increases your resting metabolism and makes sugars (carbohydrates) more likely to go to muscle than be stored as fat.

    I've got a long way to go, myself. But I am making progress. Noticable progress. I've been following This Program for a few months.

    HTH

  337. It's all about diet by azav · · Score: 1

    I pretty much eat an all meat diet with little fat and I'm pretty damn lean and can curl 45 pound dumbbells.

    Ditch the carbs, pizza, sugar, milk and cheese. Ditch egg yokes, ice cream. Crappy snacks Watch out for salad dressings. Cut the fat off your steaks. No fries man.

    Get a wok.
    Do stir fried turkey or chicken breast with sesame (sp) and/or olive oil and the veggies you like.
    Eat baked chicken breast with no skin and olive oil and seasoning on it.
    Eat salmon.
    Check out the Perricone books.
    Realize you WILL cheat so cheat small and cheat GOOD.
    Once you're diggin on how EASY the wok is to cook in and clean, go nuts and put those carbs away. Use good oils and you'll trim down without doing much.

    Put the food to work for you.

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  338. Try Atkins by puppetman · · Score: 1

    Beer is ok (after a while), and there are lo-carb beers out there. The food is good, and it kills your sugar cravings.

    I lost 15 pounds in two months, with less exercise than normal.

    David

  339. Russian Kettlebells by HellsKB · · Score: 1

    Take a look at Russian Kettlebells. They are very compact, and can easily be taken to work. They are great for cardiovascular conditioning and strength. They will kick your ass. Check out this web page for more information: http://www.dragondoor.com/kettlebells/ . They also have a fantastic discussion site that the author, Pavel Tsatsouline often contributes to: http://www.dragondoor.com/cgi-bin/tpost.pl . There is also a lot of discussion at the site about body weight exercises, which are also great for the workplace. Take a look, this isn't hype, it works.

  340. Re:run - stretching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember to do that stretching AFTER you run, NOT before!! Stretching cold muscles is bad, bad, bad. A brisk walk and a slow jog is all the warmup you need, then start running. Stretch after for better recovery and less soreness. Only try to increase your flexibility if that's a limiting factor in your performance.

  341. Why not real dancing? by PMarlowe · · Score: 1
    Searching for my favorite five letter word ("dance") in the comments thus far, all I found were references to DDR (Dance Dance Revolution). Why not try real dancing?

    Six years ago, when I was 42, I got a coupon in the mail for Ballroom dancing. At first this was terrifying, but I overcame my fear and it has turned into the best hobby ever!

    Two years ago, I found myself unemployed, somewhat bored with the ballroom thing, and living virtually next door to a performance dance school. I read their web page five times, it said they were open to all ages, genders, etc. so somehow (hmm maybe without work I was a tad bit bored, yah?) I mustered up the courage to go in the place (the hardest part of all dance classes is getting through the door, once you're inside, and see all those gals, you're home dude!). Jazz led to Hip-hop and Salsa which led to Modern and Ballet which led to (once I got reemployed) African and Breakdancing! The list goes on, and it's all good.

    Yes I am serious, I took my first Ballet and Breakdancing (among many others) classes at the ripe old age of 46, and you can do it too. The teachers and the gals love seeing a man in the class, and if you're not as good as them, no problem, they don't expect you to be!

    Now I can walk into a room and no longer be a victim of my shyness. I have the confidence and skills required to ask any woman to dance. After six years I often get compliments, and they will sometimes even ask me to dance.

    Go ahead and try dancing, you know you want to!

    1. Re:Why not real dancing? by knubo · · Score: 1


      I recomend Lind Hop (swing dancing) - if there are a club teaching it in your neighbourhood, try it out! And you'd be suprised how many engineers that dance LH :-) And in particular if you live in San Fransisco - When I visited Java One some years back, the first guy I sat down and ate lunch with was a LH-dancer. He said that "half of the CS people in SF danced LH".


      And the added bonus is ofcourse:

      - Females! :-)

      - Fun!

      - Good excersize for hands - good for mouse-arm.


      KEB

    2. Re:Why not real dancing? by PMarlowe · · Score: 1
      Lindy Hop, yeah! This guy knows of what I speak!

      The ballroom stuff, East Coast Swing, Fox Trot, Waltz, that's a good place to start. Moving on to Salsa and Lindy Hop will ratchet up that heartbeat, as will Tango (if you have the right partner).

      The unemployment and resultant poverty and ample free time, plus living so close to CPRD not only ratcheted up my skills yet another notch, it also resulted in my being able to quit drinking and smoking (after 30 miserable years).

      Don't be afraid! Ballet will not make you gay, and you won't break any bones in Breakdance class! Jazz will make you feel all sorts of music you never knew how to feel before, African will ensure you sleep well at night, Modern can help you learn how to learn (seriously), and Hip-hop is the most fun of all of them!

      Yesterday I took a Jamaican dance for the first time in my life, tonight there's finally a Capoeira class that fits my schedule. Someday I will figure out how to express just how great this is, then everyone will know!!!

  342. Exercise at work sitting down. by Solokron · · Score: 1

    Left butt cheek, squeeeeze.
    Right butt cheek, squeeeeze.

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  343. The 5BX plan ... 11 minute workout by kacp · · Score: 1

    This link gives you the 5bx workout plan used by the RCAF (Royal Canadian Air Force) or something like that. I found this link on the last slashdot story about fitness a few months ago. It's easy to follow, only 11 minutes, and you can do it right before going to work, after getting home, when ever.

    I've only been constant on it a few weeks, I haven't lost too much weight, but I've been feeling a lot better physically.

    Oh, and get a Nalgine bottle, fill it with water, and carry it around where ever you go. I know people who have one for work and one for home, but that's over kill.

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  344. Possible excercise equipment at the office? by obfuscated · · Score: 2, Informative

    Imagine a recumbant bicycle trainer underneath your desk. I'm sure they make only the pedal portion for elderly people(s) and perhaps a new market of office workers. If you don't go crazy with it you'll never break a sweat and you'll be much more active than just sitting on your ass.

    Then how about some light dumb-bells. You could be doing curls and the like while on the phone or whatnot.

    Of course the above comments about the stairs etc, taking five minutes to do some random (push|sit)ups and as a previous user stated; eat less--shit more.

    Oh and lay off the beer. How about some light beers. Maybe an ultra? If it doesn't taste as good perhaps thats a sign to just drink less beer. I hear that water is a good substitute.

    You could even be snooty and drink only the finest imported still and sparkling varieties.

    -dK

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  345. This is on Slashdot?? by Professr3 · · Score: 1

    We're geeks! why are you asking us how to stay fit? Seriously, talk to that Simmons guy or something...

  346. Why is this posted? by mlg9000 · · Score: 1

    The solution to losing weight is easy.. eat less and exercise more. Even if you are eating the wrong things you'll still lose weight doing that. The only thing difficult about it is maintaining the level of self disapine required to achieve results.

    If you really want to get in shape you need to alter your lifestyle. (otherwise you'll eventually gain back anything you lose) To do that:

    1. Change your diet. High fat foods, sugar, and refined grains (converted by the body into sugar), are all to be avoided as much as possible. If your incilin levels get to high you body sends an order to store the excess as fat. Anything with with the words High Frucose, Hydrogenated, etc... don't eat. That mean cut out the pop and replace it with water. Cut out drinking as much as possible. Eliminate fast food.

    2. Eat less (while trying to lose weight). Start off by cutting 10% of what you eat now. When you get used to that, do it again. Also eat more often.. just smaller portions.

    3. Join a gym and go 5-6 days a week. The best excerise I've found to lose weight for myself is running. Set as fast a pace as you can handle for 15 minutes, take a 5 min cool down, then do another 15. Try to get to the point where you can handle 45 minutes without stopping. Also.. lift weights. The best way to keep fat off is to have muscle. Talk to a trainer for that one. To much cardo while doing a weight program will dimish your results find a balance that fits you.

    4. Measure and set goals. Weight yourself everyday at the same time. Set a reasonable goal to meet in the next few days and work towards it. (Something like 2 pounds in the next week). The fastest I've been able to lose (without losing water and being healthy) is ~3 pounds a week. To burn 1 pound off you need to burn an extra 3500 cal if that gives you are idea.

  347. Medical input by The+Tyro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Someone already said it: watch out for the impact of running. If you want to start out running, use a treadmill (it absorbs some of the shock), and GET GOOD SHOES. Running on the road might be considered an endpoint by itself (if the original poster is doing 70 miles a week, he is a professional runner... much of his advice may or may not apply to you for quite some time).

    If you are not built like a runner (I happen to be, and run 15 miles per week to stay in shape), you should be careful you don't overdo it when you start out. If you're already heavy, running might not be a good exercise, at least until you shed a few pounds.

    Low-impact exercises like biking, swimming, stairmaster (crank one of those up; it will take EVERYTHING you've got to give), or some kind of eliptical machine... those would be good start-out choices until you thin down. Once you are thinned down, running would be a good way to maintian weight.

    Always remember that most osteo-arthritis (distinct from rheumatoid, psoriatic, and a few other sub-types) is a wear-and-tear phenomenon, and repeated injury will predispose you to earlier arthritis at a younger age. Incidently, that macho no-pain-no-gain stuff is bullshit; one of the great secrets to maintaining a long-term exercise program as a lifestyle change is avoiding injury. (taking weeks off to heal a bad sprain, or a YEAR off for an ACL tear could effectively kill your exercise program).

    Just my thoughts. Get in shape, and you'll never regret it... You'd shudder if you saw all the problems life-long obesity can bring you. BTW, IAAD (I am a Doctor).

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    1. Re:Medical input by AssFace · · Score: 1

      like I said before, I should have clarified that I am a runner that likes to compete and win. I ran in college and I'm fairly good.
      I wouldn't recommend anyone jump into the 70 miles a week deal.
      10-15 a week is enough to enjoy it and yet still burn some extra calories.

      I use a heart rate monitor as well, but that isn't really something you have to have unless you are worried about overtraining.

      if you are fat/obese, you want to start of carefully. the fattest I've ever been was *maybe* at 20% bf, but that is just a guess - I am very used to being under 10% bodyfat, so anything over that feels fat to me.

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  348. BFL by ratajik · · Score: 1

    While this isn't something you really do at work, I recommend Body For Life , for developers (or anyone) that wants to loose fat and put on muscle . For someone who sits at a computer 12+ hours a day, it's done a great job for me. And I guess it KINDA would work at the office - if you build a lot of muscle, just walking around the office as normal will burn more calories :)

  349. Rock Climbing by Dstrct0 · · Score: 1

    Not so much a success story, because I've gone a total of one time so far, but that's my plan to lose a bit of flab.

    I don't know about anyone else here, but "working out" has never been very appealing to me. I just can't get that excited about doing something so repetitive I guess. Last weekend some friends wanted to try rock climbing, so we did that for about 3 hours.

    It was easily the most physically intense thing I've ever done! More work than sailing, mountain biking, sex, skateboarding, or snowboarding. Not that I plan on giving up any of those activities anytime soon... I'm just going to have to make room in my schedule for rock climbing on a regular basis.

    Besides the physical workout, I found it to be an interesting mental challenge too. Watching what hand-holds are coming up, plotting out the path you're going to take up the wall, coming up with an alternate plan when you just can't get a grip on that all-important foot-hold, etc.

    When you're not climbing, you're working the rope for someone who is on the wall, so you get excersize no matter what.

    Good luck!

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  350. Simple and consise by Spyder · · Score: 1

    1> Cardio workouts burn fat. Yeah, it's more complicated than that, but anything that brings up your heart rate will burn fat after a few minutes and do good things for your heart too.

    2> The best excerise program is the one you stick with. 30 minutes a day of excerise - at least - not counting dressing, streching and other stuff.

    3> Don't eat too much. Don't eat because there's nothing better to do. Don't eat just because something looks good. Don't eat just to clean your plate, finish the box or whatever. Eat 'cause you're hungery.

    4> Don't eat crap. You know what crap is. You don't really need to buy reduced fat stuff, or eat like a rabbit, or follow all the nutritional fads. You know a Big Mac is crap, you know that candy is crap, you know that sweet sweet carbonated caffine delivery fluid is crap.

    Now me, I play hockey. I strap on the skates in the parking lot while I let rush hour pass, and work on skating and stick handling drills. I do it because I'll do it every day.

    Anything else consult a professional.

    PS. The Ball chair looks pretty cool. Might try that.
    PPS. The Good Eat's guy is Alton Brown.

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  351. Something to Jump Start - then following through by larzgold · · Score: 1

    I found myself far out of shape - and decided one morning that I needed to start again. The first thing I did was pick up a book called "8 Minutes in the Morning" - Basically it was a book that stated if you can spend 8 minutes a day - in the AM you could start to get back in shape - Once I compelted teh 30 day program - I moved to the mensfitness Iron Man workout (now on phase 6 of 10) I went from 200 down to 175 - the goal is 165, but body fat of 37% to 26% which is key. Both needed exercise and diet. The 8 minutes was a good jump start. My morning workout is now more like 1/2hr -45 minutes, my diet is going to get better. Those who diet only or exercise only seem to miss the other in the long run. Muscle mass allows the base calories to go up, and dieting allows for you to be able to work out to build the muscle mass. Last thing - I have though I learned this in the past, but I did seem to forget. Good health and getting into shape is a lifetime committment, there is no 1 month or even 1 year fix. You can cheat for a day - you can miss exercising for a few days on vacation. But to stay in shape you need to commit youself to it.

  352. I love soda. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It may be a stereotype that all computer geeks love soda, but all I know is I love soda. Its one of the worst things for you.

    But diet soda, while not great, has no calories. You should still drink a lot of water, but you can drink all the diet soda you want. The secret is, finding a diet soda that doesn't taste like the liquid the collects in the bottom of your kitchen garbage can. For me, A&W Diet Cream Soda and Diet Root Beer are indistinguishable from their non-diet counterparts.

  353. 8 hours instead of 10 gives 2 hours for exercise by Colonel+Panic · · Score: 1

    Couldn't you do "very little work" in 8 hours instead of 10? That would give you a couple of hours to exercise.

    Come to think of it, you could probably do "very little work" in four hours instead of 10. ...Where does this guy work? Apparently he can sit around and drink beer while doing very little work all day.

  354. Martial Arts by autechre · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I find it hard to believe that no one has mentioned this yet. I could never get into "purposeless" exercise, or working out for the sake of fitness alone. But with martial arts, I'm improving my mind and my body, and in more ways than just fitness or strength. Awareness, balance, flexibility, toughness, etc.

    It's practical. If nothing else, an "impact art" (judo, jujitsu, aikido) will teach you how to not get hurt when you fall down. This should not be underestimated. Everyone falls down, and many people reach for the ground and break a wrist. You won't.

    If you're going in for the exercise, keep in mind that I know a brilliant Tai Chi instructor (and a damn good oud player) who weighs about 450. Mainly internal arts are probably not what you want right now. I view the "impact" arts listed above as a good compromise between internal and external (karate, etc. would be external). My favorite is Pentjak Silat, but it can be much harder to find a school for that in your area. The nice thing about Silat is that it has forms (like Tai Chi), so you can practice by yourself.

    (I've also found that the stick exercises in Silat are GREAT for wrist problems. It helps when your instructor is a chiropractor. And for those exercises like pushups and situps, it helps when your instructor adds a 15-pound medicine ball :) Then you do less of them before you wear out, so it's faster. Try putting your hands on a ball and doing pushups that way, the difference is amazing...)

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  355. Sweat, fatass, sweat.... by SecondToughest · · Score: 1

    Weight loss = more calories burned than eaten. Which means you can either burn more through cardiovascular excercise (at least 30 min 3 times a week) or eat less. Specifically cutting down on carbs will help most. Although don't buy into the Atkins hype. That diet will put you on the road to a heart attack. Try the Zone for something more sensible. Pretty much anything you do to make you sweat for 30 minutes straight is going to draw attention at the office. So suck it up and get in a workout before or after work, or take a long lunch and do it then. Keeping in shape isn't easy. It takes constant effort and dicipline. I work 10-12 hour days, and I travel constantly. Finding 4 hours a week to workout isn't easy but I do it. Make the time - youll be glad you did.

  356. You need the Ab Scissor by BadSpellar · · Score: 1

    Sounds like you need the Ab Scissor from Body By Jake. Before he became an infomercial superstar, Jake was just like you. He was "an overweight kid who had a terrible stutter". By exercising just 30 minutes a day, 3 days a week on the Ab Scissor, he got the results he wanted, and his stutter cleared right up. The Ab Scissor really does work miracles. Buy it today!

  357. 100% wrong - debunking the carb/fat myth by siskbc · · Score: 5, Informative
    No offense, but you're way off on the carb stuff..

    And lay off the carbohydrates too. This might start a flame war (Atkins diet arguments and such.) You should lay of the bread, chips, orange juice, and other things that have a lot of carbs. This stuff gets absorbed by your body and makes you fat.

    Yes, excess carbs do get turned to fat. However, so do excess protein and excess fat. The difference is that carbs and protein are 4 cal/gram, while fat is 9 cal/gram. You do the math.

    Actual fat is more or less just passing through and makes it into the toilet with your centrum multivitamin.

    Don't know who told you that but they didn't know what they were talking about. Fat is readily absorbed. Notice how people who eat a lot of fried food get fat? That's right. Fat makes you fat. Shocking, I know, but it's true. The only way fat isn't completely absorbed is to eat a ton of it really quickly. The problem is that 1) your body is then absorbing fat as fast as it possibly can, which is enough to make you morbidly obese, and 2) any fat in your poo gives you nasty diarrhea, which I'm assuming isn't an attractive solution. Otherwise, pretty much all fat is absorbed.

    Cutting back on the carbohydrates and stepping up on the exercise is really what makes the difference.

    Excercise is of course good - particularly intensive cardio, as the longer it takes you to get your heart rate back to normal after excercise, the more calories you burn. Additionally, doing a lot of frequent cardio can raise your metabolism. Think of it as excercising when you aren't excercising. Good deal, eh?

    Regarding the carbs fiasco - I guarantee you, if I eat 1 pound of carbs, and you eat 1 pound of fat, you will put on twice the weight as you consume (more than) twice the calories. The mitigating factor is that simple carbs are broken down much faster. Put a cracker in your mouth, and within seconds it tastes sweet - because it's broken down into simple sugar before it even hits your stomach, and simple sugar is readily absorbed like nothing else.

    That is bad because eating a lot of simple carbs spikes your blood sugar, causing your body to release a ton of insulin. However, because it was a short-term sugar spike, you now have too much insulin, causing blood sugar to plummet. At the same time, your stomach has emptied, making you really hungry. That's why simple carbs are bad.

    So what to do? To lose weight, you have to eat fewer calories than you use, of course. Naturally, that means regulating your blood sugar and keeping yourself non-hungry with the least calories possible. A nearly all-fat diet is bad because, while you're satisfied (fat digests slowly), you also consume massive amounts of calories. Simple carbs are the opposite - each binge is small, but you're hungry every 10 minutes. The best recommendation is a good amount of protein, complex carbs, and a diet with 30% of calories from fat. That way, you don't eat too often, and you don't get 2000 calories/meal, either.

    Complex carbs are things like whole grains and such. So brown, whole-grain bread is good. If you like pasta and rice, again get the whole-grain stuff, and cook it less time than usual - cooking carbs in water breaks them down, effectively digesting them. The more they digest in the pot, the quicker they are absorbed in your body.

    Bottom line is the Atkins diet is dangerous, containing way too much saturated fat, cholesterol, and calories from fat, and too much protein can be bad on the kidneys. Eat a balanced diet low in simple carbs, substituting complex carbs instead, and you'll do well.

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    1. Re:100% wrong - debunking the carb/fat myth by Derkec · · Score: 1
      Right on. The balance needs to be struck between filling and calories / food.


      One more caution. I've known several active people who have done Atkins. Two of them have had problems with light-headedness when excercising. They simply couldn't ramp the blood-sugar up from fat quickly enough. If you are nuts enough to do Atkins (which does work) be really cautious when exerting yourself. Rock-climbing and bike riding might not be safe.

    2. Re:100% wrong - debunking the carb/fat myth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to know a lot about nutrition. I'm not disagreeing with you, but I've tried a lot of "plans" and drasically lowering the carbs is the only thing that worked for me. Right now I only eat carbs after a weight training session in the gym.

      I've gone from 225 @ 21% Bodyfat to 204 @ 8% Bodyfat in six months. I don't think 8% is "ripped", but it is a decent weight to carry year round and you can still see my abs really clearly.

      This was all done on a program built by a guy who trains professional bodybuilders and helps them get ready for contests. Check it out www.swolecat.com

    3. Re:100% wrong - debunking the carb/fat myth by Tom+Bombadill · · Score: 1

      Low carbing works and works well *IF* you do it right. Most people don't do it right.
      You are wrong in assuming calories equal calories.
      You have to consider the hormonal and metabolic implications of different macronutrients.

      The light-headedness only last a few days. After that you should be burning Ketones which will provide fuel for your brain.
      I had no problem Saturday morning squatting, and if anything will make you light-headed, deep and heavy squats will!

      BTW , my cholesterol level has swung into the positive side of the HDL/LDL balance and lowered overall since low carbing. I do the Dan Duchaine BodyOpus system, not Atkins. Lots of carbs on the weekends!

      Bottom line is to get in the gym BEFORE work.
      I get in a hard-core 45 min workout before the commute to the office. You don't need to train long if you train hard. Most people train far too long and spend too much time yapping.

      I never have to worry about having enough time or having an off day at the office that drains my will to train. Get in and out quick, keep the intensity up. Before I even consider going to work I have had a good, honest workout.

    4. Re:100% wrong - debunking the carb/fat myth by occupant4 · · Score: 2, Informative
      I wonder where you got your information from. As another poster has explained, there is logic (and unbiased research) behind the low-carb diet plan. Carbs raise insulin, which controls the storing of fat in your body. The higher the insulin, the more sugar gets stored as fat in your body.

      And yes, it matters what kind of carbs you eat - simple sugars go straight to your blood and raise insulin. However, cereal, bread, pasta, etc are NOT complex carbs - they are broken down into simple sugars and go right to your blood stream. If you want good carbs, you'll need to go to vegetables. Even fruits are a kind of high on the glycemic index (although they at least have nutritional value, unlike cereal).

      Calorie intake is definitely not the determining factor for your health. I'm sure you wouldn't argue that eating 2000 calories worth of crackers would the same nutritional benefit of eating a balanced 2000 calorie diet. And overall nutrition has a huge effect on your weight. The problem is, what is a balanced diet?

      I won't try to answer that anymore than I've alluded to, but instead refer you to this website. That article is a good one, but if you are interested, the whole site has some very good information.

    5. Re:100% wrong - debunking the carb/fat myth by NFNNMIDATA · · Score: 1

      Just to clarify, from what I've read everything (protein,carbs,fat) can be turned into fat as long as carbs are present. Remove carbs (and thus excess insulin) from the equation and the body will not create fat. However, eating low-carb you do run the risk your body will convert the fat you eat into energy, thus skipping any pound-shedding. So keep the fat to a minimum in all cases I guess.

      Btw, I did a variation on Atkins last year called "Protein Power" where I kept my carbs to under 100g/day (otherwise eating like a hog) and I lost 40 lbs in about 2 months. BUT about 15 of that was apparently water, because it came back almost immediately when I quit. (Quit because it was getting too expensive to come up with protein that I could stand to eat all the time).

    6. Re:100% wrong - debunking the carb/fat myth by panty-sniffer · · Score: 1

      Fried foods are high-carb. That's why people who eat lots of fries get fat. Fried meats have breading which is in turn high-carb. You also have to consider the foods which are typically eaten with fried foods, such as baked potatoes, coleslaw, and potato salad, which have murderous amounts of carbs. If you're eating tempura, you're also eating rice, which is high-carb.

      I've been doing Atkins for about 2 years now. I lost 40 pounds pretty quickly and have kept it off. *I* can guarantee *you* that if you eat a pound of carbs (bread for example), and I eat a pound of fat (macadamia nuts), I will lose weight while you gain it. I know this because I lose weight on just such a diet.

      I don't get as much exercise as I'd like to, but even so I keep the weight off. Exercise is by no means required to lose weight on Atkins. To do the diet you must take vitamins, and if exercising you need to take L-Glutamine to keep from getting dizzy or lethargic. Your body is trying to turn fat into energy, and it's a harder process than turning blood sugar into energy.

      I wonder: are you fit? Before Atkins I did low-fat dieting, and had very little luck, because I was always hungry.

    7. Re:100% wrong - debunking the carb/fat myth by Beliskner · · Score: 1
      The difference is that carbs and protein are 4 cal/gram, while fat is 9 cal/gram. You do the math.
      How about Insulin shock and Type 2 diabetes? I'd rather take the fat and feel satiated rather than get Type 2 and become unavoidably obese
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    8. Re:100% wrong - debunking the carb/fat myth by acermate433s · · Score: 1

      Additionally, doing a lot of frequent cardio can raise your metabolism. Think of it as excercising when you aren't excercising. Good deal, eh?

      I started to run everyday for 1 whole week to train for a 2790m summit attempt and guess what, my metabolism increased substantially that I have to eat more often just to keep from getting hungry. My workouts just lasts for not more than 30 minutes (13 mins per lap of 2.5K).

    9. Re:100% wrong - debunking the carb/fat myth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Complex carbs are things like whole grains and such. So brown, whole-grain bread is good.

      Uh, take it from someone with diabetes: complex carbs are no different than any other carbs. They all digest almost instantly.

      The whole point that everyone is bitching about here can be summed up on one sentence: don't forget to cut back on carbs when you diet, as people often think that cutting only fat will make them lose weight.

    10. Re:100% wrong - debunking the carb/fat myth by siskbc · · Score: 1
      Uh, take it from someone with diabetes: complex carbs are no different than any other carbs. They all digest almost instantly.

      Then honestly, you aren't eating the right carbs. If I eat a cracker, it dissolves on my tongue. If I put a piece of whole-grain bread on my tongue, it does not. I'm not diabetic, but I get the shakes pretty bad when I get hungry, and simple sugar is the best hit - whole grain breads don't work. Moral: *nothing* gets your blood sugar up like, well, sugar. Certainly not complex carbs.

      The whole point that everyone is bitching about here can be summed up on one sentence: don't forget to cut back on carbs when you diet, as people often think that cutting only fat will make them lose weight.

      Well yeah, if you unbalance your diet you're going to be screwed. However, for a lot of the people posting in this thread, their "diet" consists of pork chops and eggs. First-class ticket to a coronary. Bottom line is a diet that consists of 60% of calories from fat is not safe. And I've yet to hear any medical institution (like, say, JAMA) state otherwise.

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    11. Re:100% wrong - debunking the carb/fat myth by IronBlade · · Score: 1

      An interesting real life example of low carb weight loss. (Found when googling):
      http://www.lowcarbnz.co.nz/story.htm

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    12. Re:100% wrong - debunking the carb/fat myth by occupant4 · · Score: 1
      However, for a lot of the people posting in this thread, their "diet" consists of pork chops and eggs. First-class ticket to a coronary. Bottom line is a diet that consists of 60% of calories from fat is not safe. And I've yet to hear any medical institution (like, say, JAMA) state otherwise.

      Perhaps that is your problem. Don't believe everything the AMA tells you. If such a diet of animal fats caused heart disease, why is it that heart disease in America began to increase during the time when the food industry decided to start pushing margerine and processed vegetable oils? The food industry stands a lot to gain from convincing you that their processed foods are better for you than foods straight from a farmer.

    13. Re:100% wrong - debunking the carb/fat myth by lamontg · · Score: 1
      While I agree with your recommendations about diet I do tend to disagree with this:

      Regarding the carbs fiasco - I guarantee you, if I eat 1 pound of carbs, and you eat 1 pound of fat, you will put on twice the weight as you consume (more than) twice the calories.

      I've been following a low-glycemic diet similar to what you suggest (balanced diet low in simple carbs, low fat and low cal). I've found that when I cheat by eating red meats (and I can still pack away an awful lot of calories -- particularly with kosher dogs) then I don't gain weight -- although I don't lose weight either. The problems that I have are when I start to eat white breads (the hot dog buns) and then I start to gain weight.

      My experience tends to suggest that its not merely calorie intake, similar to what the Atkins people claim.

    14. Re:100% wrong - debunking the carb/fat myth by Twylite · · Score: 1
      Notice how people who eat a lot of fried food get fat? That's right. Fat makes you fat.

      You may want to update your dietary knowledge. Fried foods are not intrinsically bad because they are fried. These days almost all frying is done in vegetable oils, which are good for you.

      The two problems with "fried foods" are that the bulk of fast food is carbs, and frying at too high a temperature transforms some oil parts into carcinogens.

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    15. Re:100% wrong - debunking the carb/fat myth by siskbc · · Score: 1
      You may want to update your dietary knowledge.

      It's not that old, I'm only 26. ;)

      Fried foods are not intrinsically bad because they are fried. These days almost all frying is done in vegetable oils, which are good for you.

      I'm not going after the heart disease angle as much as the caloric angle. You are right in general that veggie oils are better than animal - however, I would very much recommend you look further, as all veggie oils *are not* created equal. Some of them are actually downright bad (see palm oil) while others are very good for your heart (see olive oil). I would guess that palm oil isn't as bad as a handfull of crisco, but it isn't good either.

      The two problems with "fried foods" are that the bulk of fast food is carbs

      That's flat *not true* - I'm sick of saying this so I looked up the numbers from McDonalds. Result? That demon of carbs, the large fries, actually has 43% of its calories from fat. The quarter pounder gets 51% of its from fat. This amounts to over 1000 calories total, and that ain't good. The preakdown for such a meal is 40% calories from carbs (exactly what it should be) and 47% from fat (far too high) and 13% from protein (actually far too low). So, I would say the problem with fast food is that, while the carbs are OK, the fat is too high and protein too low. Naturally, if the idiot gets a big gulp Coke with it, this would change, but remember neither of us is advocating that. For reference, recommended values for fat are under 30%. (30% protein and 40% from preferably non-sugary carbs round that out).

      frying at too high a temperature transforms some oil parts into carcinogens.

      Well, yeah, but that's not making you fat, it's just going to kill you. ;)

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  358. When they stare, just remember... by uberhund2 · · Score: 1

    They're just jealous.

  359. I'm his manager... by Colonel+Panic · · Score: 1

    And it would seem that perhaps it's time for the company to trim a bit of weight.

  360. Only water after 6pm by aralin · · Score: 1

    Well, it helped me in the past. Just stick to this one rule. Don't eat after 6pm. If you miss the dinner, too bad, you don't have one. Get larger breakfast. Thats it. Stick to it and you are fine. And don't forget that you should drink at least a galon of fluids a day. No matter if you are tryig to lose weight or not.

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  361. High Water Intake is a Good Idea-Chernobyl. drops. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Yeah, if you have opaque urine, I'd definitely worry."

    No! Worry is when it glows.

  362. good advise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    smoke weed every day!!

  363. The Cliff Claven Excercise Routine by TimeZone · · Score: 1
    ... was sitting on a barstool, and clenching every muscle in your body for 30 seconds. Who doesn't want to look like Cliff Claven?

    TimeZone

  364. One word by panxerox · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Porn

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  365. caffeine? you must be confused by MemeRot · · Score: 1

    caffeine before a workout helps you lose weight quicker. the classic weight lifter formula is ephedrine-caffeine-aspirin, and there is substantial lab results to back it up. too bad ephedra is off the market now.

    tea has other health supporting qualities, but a lack of caffeine doesn't help with losing weight.

  366. eric clapton said it best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cocaine.

  367. Flog the Dolphin.. by Papatoast · · Score: 0

    I find that a strict regimen of masturbation keeps me at a fit and trim 170 lbs. I recommend starting slow...maybe once a day until you build up your endurance. After several months..increase your reps to 2-3 times a day, allowing proper recovery intervals. Before beginning any excercise routine, it is advised that you consult your physician, and in this case, your nearest pr0n outlet....

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  368. If you can't stand plain water by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

    Switch to diet soda.

    Has the benefit of supplying caffeine if need be.

    (I'm diabetic and can't stand water, so diet soda is the clear choice).

    That said, exercise is still needed. Cutting down on the beer will help a lot, but take it from someone who tried to control weight with diet alone - It doesn't work unless you go on a near-starvation diet. (You will fell very hungry sometimes, so your willpower will be tested to extremes.) You can stave off weight gain (I cut down my diet and went from slowly gaining to staying even), but losing the weight is much harder.

    As to exercise - It's amazing how much difference a short 15-minute walk around the office park can make. I started going for regular after-lunch walks, and my insulin requirements dropped DRASTICALLY in a matter of days. Admittedly, I'm somewhat lucky in that there is a set of nature trails behind where I work, so my post-lunch walks are quite pleasant. :)

    For the other stuff, wait 'till you get home. Also, see if there's a health club local to your office park where you can go for a quick workout. (There's one in mine that people will go to for a few half-hour sessions a week.)

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  369. Lienie's Amber Light. by raehl · · Score: 1

    Domestic. Good.

    If you've ever had Budweiser or Miller, you should not be surpried that Bud Light and Miller Lite taste bad.

  370. Sloth by PingPongBoy · · Score: 1

    I sit at a computer desk for 10 hours a day with very little actual work

    Disclaimer: This is not medical advice.

    Get your lazy ass to work. You should type until your knuckles are sweating. No one with a job should be getting fat.

    If you can't think of enough to type in, try pulling your hair.

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  371. What Works For Me... by Tsali · · Score: 1

    My tips, family style...

    1. Chase kids around house.

    2. Chase kids outside house. Don't read books, don't take the Palm outside, don't take the laptop outside... Play with them.

    3. Chase kids while walking dog.

    4. Walk dog and kids around block.

    5. Take kids for a hike at a park near your house.

    6. Take dog for walk when kids tire themselves out.

    7. Don't drink soda.

    8. Don't drink diet-soda.

    9. Drink water.

    10. Eat moderately. Note: Do not eat what kids eat. You will burn up sick days.

    11. Go out once a week and bike/run someplace you haven't seen before.

    12. Take kids to park instead of a mall.

    13. Take kids to a mall instead of a store.

    14. Take kids to a store instead of sitting at home.

    15. Attach bike trailer to go places if you are in an urban environment.

    16. Attach bike trailer to go places if you live in the country and just "ride around."

    17. Eat light at work, snack often, skip lunch.

    18. Walk at lunch if you don't do any of 1-17 above.

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  372. Re:Diet by tiohero · · Score: 1
    Good advice. In my experience exercise enables you to get "in shape" but you have to diet to lose weight. You can lose weight through dieting faster than through exercise.

    3500 cal/lb fat = ~35 miles of running or 10 days of careful dieting.

    At least for me, once you start gaining weight, its very hard to lose weight from exercise alone. I'd walk (winter)/run(summer) 8 miles a day for several YEARS and couldn't lose the gut until I started paying attention to nutrition. Running will burn ~500 cal/hour. Walking: ~200 cal/hour. Problem is that you will want to eat more to compensate. Also, daily workouts tend to wear you down so you tend to be less active the rest of the day, also an improved cardiovascular system will require less calories to function during standby.

    Read the labels on everything you eat and you'll be surprised how many calories some things have compared to others.

    Stay away from Bread/Pasta/ Cereals (200+ cal/serving, Mayo/Salad Dressings (100+ calories / tablespoon), Nuts, and anything else high in Carbs/fat. Low cal bread (40 cal/slice) can substitute for plain (120 cal/slice) and tastes the same.

    You need to avoid drinking soda (180 cal/can),Beer (250 cal/can), and juice (~130 cal/serving) Get used to drinking water or tea with every meal.

    Eat things like lean meat (Usually low in calories, ~100 cal/serving), Tuna Fish from the can(~100 cal/serving), and Egg Beaters ~30 cal/ 1/4cup. Too many vegetables tend to give you gas, so you need to moderate. String Beans (~60 calories/serving won't give you gas).

    You'll find that you can probably cut 350+ calories a day through moderate diet changes, eating the same portions, and will lose weight, even without exercise.

  373. Stand up desk by bigattichouse · · Score: 1

    I built a counterheight desk so I could work standing up. Standing has done wonders for my productivity, and supposidly, you even burn more calories while doing so... you can also stretch more, and you have the option to have a seat if you want to. (whereas sitting at a normal desk you don't really have the option of standing.)

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  374. Re: Gaming Fitness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I happen to have the REAL Samba de Amigo maracas (got 'em on one of my trips to Japan). Samba works quite well but Dance Dance Revolution is much better. DDR for 30 minutes a day and you'll see some serious results quickly. The blubber really starts flying off when you get good at DDR and can keep up with Maniac mode.

  375. 11 minutes a day, nothing special: 5BX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    This was suggested by someone else the last time this question was posted, The RCAF's 5BX program:

    http://www.flwd.com/5bx/book/index.html

    5 basic exercises, 11 minutes a day, no equipment, starting with simple exercises which gradually increase in difficulty and it works.

    I was thin but out of shape (not much muscle mass, couldn't run up 8 flights of stairs, etc.) and started on this program in May. I am VERY pleased with the results!

    I would strongly suggest that anyone who is interested in being physically fit (but couldn't be bothered to waste time in a gym -- like me) give this program a try.

    You can start today.

  376. Try this: by supabeast! · · Score: 1

    1- Get rid of all your extraneous computers at home, so that you don't waste your life doing more work at home. Cut back to a single laptop behind a firewall, and don't install work software on the laptop. When not in use, put the laptop in a desk where you can't see it.

    2- Only work 8-9 hour days. Eat healthy lunches at your desk. Don't work weekends. If you employer can't deal with this, find one who can.

    3- Start exercising in your free time now that you work less and aren't geeking out at home. Run, swim, go to the gym, whatever. Do it shirtless on weekends so you get a tan.

    4- Give up the following: Alcohol (Especially beer.), refined sugar, caffeine, junk food, etc.. You are what you eat, and if you eat nothing but fatty shit all day, you're going to look like a fat piece of shit.

    The important thing to learn is that there is more to life than computers. Being a nerd is a lifestyle choice. If you want to spend your life in an office, around computers, eating junk and looking like shit, well, hello Richard Stallman. If you want to be less of a nerd, give up on the machines and go get a life.

  377. Two words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Green Tea

    My boss lost about 70 pounds just drinking a shit load of green tea everyday. I think it ramps up the metabolism.

  378. Quit drinking beer ? by pb9494 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've also started to get a little belly.

    Seen Fight Club ? Visit the liposuction clinic once a year, make soap of your own fat ass and wash yourself with it . Now that's recycling !

  379. Actually, if I recall correctly by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

    Both carbs and protein are approx. 4 calories/gram.

    I think fat is 9. Which kills your justification for the Atkins diet.

    I have mixed opinions on the Atkins diet. Some studies have shown that it works, others are skeptical. It may allow you to lose weight but might still clog your arteries.

    Nutritionally, I'm a fan of a balanced diet (not too much or too little of anything) combined with exercise for the weight loss.

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    1. Re:Actually, if I recall correctly by Fjord · · Score: 1

      The real reason Atkins works better is because it body doesn't digest and metabolize fat and protein as well as carbs, so a gram of fat will stay in your stomache longer and thus make you want less food (the "more full" feeling you supposedly get).

      And dietary colesterol isn't anywhere nears as bad as hydrogenated oils, so you just need to avoid those and you shouldn't get the artery problem.

      Personally, I'd be on Atkinsif I didn't love carbs so much.

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  380. I would drink at least 3 times a week by Cobralisk · · Score: 1

    You should drink more than twice a week, at least moderately, its for your heart: look

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  381. Don't ask Slashdot... by Fapestniegd · · Score: 3, Funny

    Post your email address online, or in newsgroups. I get about 30 emails a day with different products offering to help me lose weight.

    Oh, you have to stop using email filters as well.

    1. Re:Don't ask Slashdot... by Hittite+Creosote · · Score: 1
      I get about 30 emails a day with different products offering to help me lose weight.

      Really? I'm always offered things to put on weight. Enlarge this bit of the body, enlarge that bit...

  382. Portion control by pw1972 · · Score: 1, Informative

    Diet has a much bigger effect on your waistline then exercise does. During a good hour work out that is all cardio I can probably burn 800-1000 calories. I can eat 800-1000 calories in under 4 mins(4 slices of pizza, 2 hotsess fruit pies, 6 twinkies, etc) Get a food scale, and log how much you're actually eating throughout the day, I bet you'll be surprised when you actually see how much you're consuming. The few things I do at work here during my 10 hour days are make sure I take the steps all the time, drink lots of water, and stay away from that damn vending machine!

  383. The other 14 hours... by greygent · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do something active at least 30 minutes a day during the OTHER 14 hours of your day. Even just walking would be good. Bike to work, avoid elevators and other lazy people devices.

  384. Nothing simple, nothing easy. by Aquitaine · · Score: 1

    Disclaimer: I am not a doctor or a health professional of any kind. I sit at a desk all day long and then I go home and sit at a desk for a while longer. I just got out of college last year and I more or less lost the metabolism I had when I was a teenager, so I can't eat chips 'n dip all day long and expect it to vaporize like I used to.

    One of my best friends is a personal trainer. He's not a medical professional either, though, so this advice may be stilted; however, my personal experience is that most everyone will tell you to take baby steps and do these things like 11 minutes a day on some Canadian RAF program that will magically make you lose your entire gut.

    Is the Canadian 5BX program good? Hell yes! If you have a total of 11 minutes a day to spend exercising, that is what you should do with it. But if you have a total of 11 minutes a day devoted to your health, you are not going to get in shape. If you are already highly overweight, you will lose some of your gut and probably stablize somewhere just south of 'bigger than I want to be,' depending on what your diet is.

    If you are serious about losing weight and keeping it off, then you are serious about getting healthy and living healthy. The best way to accomplish this is to simply know exactly what you're putting in your body at all times. I don't want to start a flamewar about carbs versus protein versus anything else; you must determine which diet is best for you (diet as in 'your routine of food-eating' and not diet as in 'some BS in a 99 cent magazine at the FoodMart that promises a 30 lb. reduction.)

    As a completely uneducated guess, I'd bet that most people in your position (and what used to be my position) take in too many carbs and too much sugar. A good eye-opened on this subject is here, although Dr. Mercola goes overboard, in my opinion, in his fear of things like bannanas and garage-door openers, but his attitude towards carbs and sugar is similar to Atkins and it's worked for me.

    So PART THE FIRST is your diet. There is no simple solution. Any magazine diet is bullshit. There are no magic pills and no magic diets. If there were an easy way to lose weight, America would not be the fattest country on the planet, because we love easy.

    The first thing to do is cut out soda. Entirely. Soda does nothing good. I'd even cut out soda before I'd cut out beer, because soda has no social value, either. You're drinking carbonated water and sugar that is making you more thirsty and pouring junk into your bloodstream. Yeah, you can switch to diet, but if your body is thirsty, shut up already and give it water. Even fruit juices can be absurdly high in sugar (especially the big-name brands -- if you like fruit juice, spend the money on natural stuff with no added sugar. natural sugar beats artificial sugar any day of the week and no sugar beats natural sugar).

    After soda is breakfast cereal. Maybe you skip breakfast. This is bad, because you will eat shit later in the day. But if you eat Captain Crunch or Cinnoman Toast Crunch, you're even worse off. High in sugar, high in carbs, and low in anything useful. The -best- stuff to have for breakfast is plain oatmeal (not the flavored stuff in the packets. the $1 jug of Quaker oats that will last you a couple weeks). Personally, I can't stomach plain oatmeal that often, so I wuss out and add some (natural) brown sugar. Maybe 5 or 6 grams, tops, and half that if I can help it. This is better than the 12-20 grams of processed artificial garbage you will get in yummy-tasting oatmeal.

    boring cereals are probably okay. add a bannana.

    after that is snacks. personally, if I have food around the house, I eat it. I have a lot more willpower now than I did a year ago (for purely health reasons) but if you dangle great food in front of me when I'm hungry, I'm going to eat it. Best way around this is to go shopping after you've just had an enormous meal and you're full of self-loathing for bein

  385. Carbs are good for heavy runners by aSiTiC · · Score: 1

    If you're gonna do lots of exercising, like running you will have to increase your intake of Carbs and starch food (bread, pasta, potatoes, etc...) not cut back. However if you want to lose weight without excercising (very hard) then you'll want to cut back on carbs.

    Btw... beer is not "liquid bread". The carbs contain in bread are much better for you then the empty carb calories in beer. That's a misleading statement.

    1. Re:Carbs are good for heavy runners by mausmalone · · Score: 1

      If you're gonna do a lot of exercising, you do need carbs to maintain the energy-level you need to stick to that regimen. The problem is that a lot of people are overweight because their carb level is already high, and they don't exercise. I would recommend to most people to either (a) cut the carbs, or (b) maintain the carb level and exercise more. After all, it's more than a safe assumption to say that we probably all have pretty badly balanced diets to start with.

      Beer may be much better than other carbohydrate-rich foods, nevertheless, beer is pretty fattening. If you can decrease your intake, it will help. Also switching to a light beer might help. Being a non-drinker, I only know of this in very remote terms.

      Since we're on the subject of weight loss, does anyone know the answer to this question: is it better to eat before or after working out? I like to eat beforehand, because exercising on a full stomach sucks and I know it. As such, it keeps me from overeating. But is that actually healthy?

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    2. Re:Carbs are good for heavy runners by aSiTiC · · Score: 1

      Regarding the eat before or after question. I had the same question and did a bunch of research.

      From what I've read, etc... my conclusions for someone that is planning on running (assuming you aren't a morning runner) eat a high carb snack 1-2 hours before run (example 1/2 bagel) and then 5-10 minutes before eat a high, quick energy snack (example 1 cup of fruit yogurt). Then do your bigger carb meal after the run like pasta in prep for the next day.

  386. I can always go for a quick job anytime by Mayak · · Score: 0

    be it hand or otherwise. ;)

    1. Re:I can always go for a quick job anytime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its in poor taiste, but funny. Mod it up!

  387. swiss balls and power bands by pauly_thumbs · · Score: 1

    sitting on one of those swiss balls will help with your waist line and posture. situps and pushups on the ball witll make them even more effective. it builds core muscles.

    also if you want faster results quit drinking beer.

    switch to diet soda and sugar free red bull.

    1/2 to 1 hour of cardio a day will also help TONS. keep that heart rate up.

    lift weights go for maxing out your muscles not just reps more muscles mean more metabolism.

    don't eat junkfood

    get one of those surgical tubing dealies -- i stated using them for my back doing Mr Burns style Iroquois Hi-Ya-Yaaas! great for the back.

    Join a gym and get a trainer and spend money doing it -- the buyers remorse and guilt for spending $300 on a trainer will get you motivated.

    Join the National Guard and go to basic training -- i hear this helps although i have not tried it. but you might get shot at nowadays -- nothing too differnt from going to work in any urban area actually ;)

  388. Fitness 4 nerds by madpierre · · Score: 1

    Some advice:

    1) Type faster.

    2) Get a bigger mouse mat.
    (movin' the mouse further burns more cals)

    3) Play video games at higher level settings.

    4) Get a keyboard with stiffer keys.
    (NB windows users only need [ctrl][alt][del])

    5) Get a swivel chair with castors and go for the
    occasional zoom round the office.

    6) Sit further away from the beer/coke dispenser.

    7) Get a heavier mouse.
    (Works well with option 2)

    Hope this helps.

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    1. Re:Fitness 4 nerds by madpierre · · Score: 1

      Just thought of something else ....

      Get a full body virtual reality suit and er suitable 'software' ;).

      Alternatively invent the holodeck and run the counsellor Troy program.

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  389. Diet soft drinks by Thuktun · · Score: 1

    At my previous workplace, we had free soda fountains for the engineers, and I would literally consume up to a gallon of Mountain Dew each day. Switching to diet Dew, though I had to buy it myself, cut literally 1500 calories per day from my diet, and it didn't "hurt" (in the sense of having to go without something) at all.

    Also, I've found the flavors of synthetic sweeteners provide more than adequate incentive to just drink plain water.

    1. Re:Diet soft drinks by Steeltoe · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but like refined sugar, synthetic sweeteners destroys braincells, just more effective.

  390. Quit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, I did and nearly two years later this is what I have:

    ~100 lbs less fat
    better attitude
    no more migraines

  391. Spank your Monkey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you have a gf/wife, fuck them whenever you have time. Otherwise, spank one out. I know I'm usually sweating afterward!

  392. easy 20 lbs. with no exercising by glazik · · Score: 2, Funny

    just cut off your leg.

  393. pffff by MemeRot · · Score: 1

    If you're looking for weight loss you want meth pure and simple. Costs less too.

    'Ride the snake'

  394. You too can get plenty of exercise doing this: by alchemist68 · · Score: 1

    You too can get plenty of exercise by following a strict modern office regimen workout. Start the blood flowing in your arms by moving your hands, preferably while opening boxes of Ho Hos, King Dongs, and Twinkies. This exercise includes removing the plastic wrappers from these food items known to have an infinite shelf life. Flex those biceps by reaching down to the desk, grabbing onto that lucious loaf of sugar and grease-filled sponge cake. Quickly hork down the food in one gulp. We wouldn't want to reveal our secrets for keeping our cute BIG BIRTHA beached-whale-ish figure, would we? An added bonus to this exercise routine is that you ingest a considerable amount of preservatives, which will reduce the cost of emballming after you die from coronary heart disease that was facilitated by all the saturated and trans fatty acids that hardened and eventually clogged your arteries. If you are one of those fortunate people who work in one of America's great malls all day long, you can concievably get a fairly good cardiovascular workout walking briskly or running to the other end of the mall to fulfill your entire day's caloric intake. In the morning, just before opening shop, rush to the in-mall McDonalds to get your Greased McMuffin Sandwich, complete with HOT grease-saturated potatoes (Note: Republicans (like Dan Quayle) typically spell "potato" with an "e" at the end; I'm not republican, but I would want any to feel "left out" of the discussion). Note also that this first meal will satisfy your daily caloric intake, but this is America, where we do things BIG, so we have to do this again and add more to our caloric intake at lunch and dinner. And with the economy doing so poorly now-a-days, it's better to have a little fat to burn when one could possibly lose his/her job; this will give your some "cushion", no pun intended, until you find further employment to sustain your lavish lifestyle. If a McDonalds is not available, you will have to locate another court-food substitute that is equally tasty and nutritious.

    Could this be a government conspiracy to rid the world of people with low self-esteem who have unhealthy eating habits? Or is the conspiracy really to rid the world of unmotivated underachievers?

    Before anyone gets upset, surely I jest, no kidding, really, this is FUN.

  395. The key is parity by ellem · · Score: 1

    use your left hand at least half the time you use your right hand...

    Of course you'll have to use your left hand for about 3 years now to make up for lost time, but then left hand, right hand.

    This thread is about beating off at work; right?

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  396. Martial sports are good too. by Medievalist · · Score: 1

    If you can't find a martial arts teacher or school that suits your personality and/or learning style, there are also many martial sports (such as paintball, fencing, and the various full-contact medieval combat systems).

    I like a good karate workout, sure, but nothing quite beats smashing an opponent with a poleaxe!

    A word of warning, though; just like in the martial arts, a beginner should research carefully and observe some sessions before joining in. Some groups will be more or less brutal than your physique requires.

  397. my 2 cents by thegnu · · Score: 2, Informative

    here's a summary of my post:
    1. eat less, more often
    2. eat more fruit, and fewer processed foods
    3. don't drink soda
    4. don't beer
    5. don't eat at night
    6. eat right when you wake up
    7. eat lean meats
    8. skip fast food
    9. find some sort of exercise you like, and do it
    10. drink lots of water

    as far as eating goes:

    first off, if you drink soda, quit it. quit diet soda as well, it makes you crave carbs (and causes cancer and sight loss, but that's another story). this is the easiest thing to change, considering the returns. be careful of any drink with calories, because it's generally sugar. just drink lots of water. even limit juices.

    don't eat fast food at all, it has way too many calories.

    reduce your carbohydrate intake, especially to counteract the beer, which is carb-heavy.
    when you eat carbs, try to go for natural food, and avoid processed sugar. generally, the lower the caloric density is, the better it is for you (calories divided by weight), so an equal amount of calories from an apple is much better than from a cookie. the lower the caloric density, the more your body has to work to get the calories, raising your metabolism. this should also give you more sustained energy throughout the day.

    also, you can watch the glycemic index of stuff, which is how rapidly your body turns it into blood sugar. there is loads of information on this for diabetics. the lower the glycemic index, the longer it takes for your body to metabolize it, so you will have energy longer, and won't get hungry as quickly.

    beer's a bitch. if you have to drink, learn how to drink liquor without getting shitfaced. it doesn't have all the calories beer has.

    eat right when you get up, because it starts your metabolism. eat something high in fibre. i generally eat yoghurt with fruit and bran, or oatmeal with protein powder. don't eat at night, or eat a salad with a light dressing, maybe oil & vinager.

    eat more salad in general. watch out for breads, try eating only whole grains. buy leaner meats: chicken breast instead of chicken legs, lean ground beef, fish, etc.

    and definitely try to eat 4 or 5 smaller meals a day if you can, and take your own food to work. eat once every 2 or 3 hours. if you can pull it off, do the zone diet for a couple weeks so your body feels what it's like not to eat a bunch of crap, and then relax the standards a little.

    for exercise, i do pilates and dance. i run when i can, and do crunches. yoga's really good. it would probably be a good idea to take at least a few classes until you're used to it and get the general idea of something. maybe go to the gym with a personal trainer, and tell them your goal isn't to gain muscle mass, but to increase your stamina and tone your muscles. both dance and pilates have had great results for me after a few weeks, i feel it's a lot more balanced than the gym, but it depends on what keeps you motivated.

    have some girl be your personal trainer if you get one. it's more fun. :)

    don't worry about people looking at you funny, they probably did before and you hadn't noticed. and good luck.

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  398. Stretching & Drinking by colinramsay · · Score: 1

    One thing I've been trying to find is what sort of stretching to do before and after running. Can anyone help out here? And how about adding a little cordial (is that what they call it in the US too?) to your water, that's what I do and it stops me getting fed up of water all day. Is that "allowed"?

  399. Some tips: by halepark · · Score: 1

    Drink lots of water, fidget constantly and flex your penis 20 times each time you piss.

  400. my patent application by sbroam · · Score: 1

    Here goes - recumbent bicycle electric generators to power our office machines. Help the environment, cut costs, and get in shape all at the same time. This would also provide excuses to avoid meetings, phone calls, etc - "Sorry can't talk now, huff huff, if I stop pedalling, huff huff, the lights go out and , huff huff, the server goes down..." Is there any venture capital still out there?

    1. Re:my patent application by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember hearing about something that required pedaling to keep the flow of electricity going, it was like a switch. I guess the problem with this would be that if you were running a server, you'd just unplug the pedals after having it crash so many times, that or get a ups so you can stop for three hour increments :D

  401. What I do by Javagator · · Score: 1

    I turn my keyboard upside down and shake out the cookie crumbs as least twice a day. It keeps me pretty buff.

  402. don't waste money on "equipment", get a yoga mat! by windowsfree · · Score: 1

    Dude, 1 hour of yoga a day keeps the belly away. Seriously!

  403. Just be sure you have..."Ballsy" Humour. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL! *falls out of chair* Thanks I needed that.

    Reminds me of this joke.

  404. argh!!! by FreeUser · · Score: 1

    ARGH!!

    Aplogies.

    I accidentally posted this twice (not sure what Mozilla did to allow that, given that this was a revision and the other should never have been posted).

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  405. Oh, and also: by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3

    If you feel the need to keep consuming alcohol for the effects, try wine.

    Beer has a lot of "non-alchol" calories, whereas most of the calories in wine are from the alcohol. (Depends on the wine - Some wines have lots of residual sugars, others don't.)

    I can tell you this: If I drink a glass of wine, it affects my bloodsugar minimally, if at all. And I'm guaranteed to feel some effects.

    If I drink a bottle of beer, often I won't feel any effects, but will have my bloodsugar spike.

    That said, if you're going for the drunken effect on a regular basis, you have other problems... Drinking in moderation can be healthy (There have been a number of studies that moderate drinking, such as 2-3 glasses of wine spread over the course of a week, can be beneficial to your heart. Drinking 2-3 glasses in one sitting is Bad for your liver.), but drinking frequently and heavily is bad news.

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  406. Why AT work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Personally, I like to go outside and be active in the hours just after work. Of course that's difficult on some parts of the globe during some times of the year. But even then, there are gyms and winter clothing. :)

    Even better than after-work activity is before-work activity. There's nothing like an early morning bike ride down by the river to get you feeling good. Of course, there are lots of things like waking up at 5:30am to do it. Things like getting your toenails ripped out and reading SCOX's daily FUD.

    Anyway, that's my advice. Don't feel like you should work out at work. Work out for fun, and have fun doing it. It's just like dieting. When something becomes a chore, it's doomed to fail. When you make an honest lifestyle change to accomodate your new diet, it kind of sticks on its own.

  407. Don't let's be silly!!!! by siliC · · Score: 1

    Get in shape? What are you talking about??? Nerds do not have time for such earthly pursuits. There is only the hardware, the software... the hacking! The things that really matter - not this petty mortal dancing bologna.

    How much time do you think Gandalf spends worrying about what he looks like?

    ^_^

  408. Pound your Pud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spanking one out on your lunch break can definitely help. The trick is not make a mess. Aiming for the trash can or toilet is preferred.

  409. You don't need to spend a lot of money.. by thatjavaguy · · Score: 1

    Walk where possible. It's cheap, great exercise and you get in touch with the world you live in.

    Go to a runners shop, tell them your budget and get some running shoes. Don't use them for anything other than running (preferably get 2 pairs and rotate them).

    Start running around your local park. Smell the flowers. If you get tired, walk a bit then run again.

    I started running two years ago. I couldn't run more than 200 yards at first. Now I run half-marathons and run 12+ miles every a sunday morning.

    I do all my best thinking whilst running so you'll get smarter too.

  410. Running - Quickest way to drop the weight by christoofar · · Score: 1

    I was faced with this very same problem; and it's actually worse because at my workplace we are actually allowed to drink beer at OUR DESKS (on special occasions, of course). At my heaviest, I was 235lbs with a 41"w. Now I am 157 with a 31"w.

    When you work with a department of over 150 people with company sponsored birthdays and anniversary confections, lots of deadlines, late nights, no time to do sports, etc... the waistlines tend to bulge.

    How I approched this problem: running. And lots of it. Cardio exercise early in the morning before you eat draws energy away from stored fat (think about it, you haven't eaten for at least six hours... where else are you going to make ATP from?).

    It all depends on your weight, ability to withstand hard impact (running is very hard on your ankles and knee joints), and ability to keep a steady pace (5.0mph-6.0mph is a very good clip).

    For most people, a treadmill or running outside with a pedometer for 1 mile in the morning every other day, after you have woken up, works.

    Don't eat until after an hour after you have worked out. If you can't do this in the morning, then wait 3.5-4 hours after you have eaten at night (although it's not as effective as running in the morning).

    After you start dropping some weight, start a weight training program. Increased muscle mass will cause your body to draw even more calories for fuel, and it will boost your metabolism.

    As far as dieting goes, it's ALL crap. Low-carb, high-fat, all of it. You cannot get around not exercising. For myself, I boosted the amount of veggies I eat to where it's over half of my diet. Pizza, chinese and mexican has to wait til Sunday when I'm not exercise.

    Replace the soda you are drinking with water (soda makes you retain water like hell). If you can't stop glugging that Mountain Dew, force yourself to drink a bottle of water for every cola you down. Vending machines are evil.

    There are also other things you can do to get the weight to come off and stay off... find things to do other than slave yourself to the computer! I took up skydiving (yes, I know, not for everyone). Find outdoorsy stuff to do.

    Good luck

  411. get out from behind the desk by maxconfus · · Score: 1

    to keep the extra weight off I run n the street about 8 miles per week. Get the nice Nike or if you are a bigger person get the Brooks running shoes. Also I run with my wife, it makes for good company and a chance to debrief on the day too. In short find a partner to run with. As far as food goes I follow an easy atkins. No food with white flour, ie bread, rolls, muffins, and no juices or soda. Drink a ton of water and take a one-a-day vitamin. Also, don't forget to take a fish-oil tablet. They are great for the heart. good luck.

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  412. Health is easy ... 3 *real* keys to being healthy by agilliland · · Score: 1

    It is kind of sad that this actually needs to be explained to ppl because we don't know how to take care of ourselves. If what is listed below helps, then make sure and pass it on :) 1. Diet - easily the most important part of being healthy. The premise is simple ... eat right and eat as much as you want. My suggestion is vegitarian or vegan if you can do it. If you really can't then just keep your meat consumption to a minimum ... try for only a handful of meat meals a week. how to eat right? eat lots of raw foods. the more the better. raw food is highest in nutrients and easiest to digest ... its just plain best. By raw foods I mean fruits and vegetables, especially greens like salad. you also want to avoid refined foods, like pastas and breads. These aren't bad for you, they just aren't nutritious either. Instead eat beans, lentils, brown rice and all other types of natural grains and legumes. beer is fine just not in excess, otherwise stick to water. If you eat right your body will naturally correct itself to the right weight ... but the key is in the raw foods! 2. excercise - you have to do something to be active. it can be as simple as walking your dog all the way up to full on scheduled work out sessions. i personally can't stand the gym and find it hard to work out by myself, so i like to play sports. soccer, basketball, volleyball, football, whatever. find a sport you like and get out and play ... with a little searching you can find good pickup games that are open to everyone. 3. sleep - if you don't sleep enough or don't sleep well then you need to fix that. I find that doing something relaxing before bed really helps me sleep better ... for me that means watching an episode of anime. most ppl like to read, but really that just stimulates my mind too much, but certainly do what works for you. Also, if you have a partner then massaging is another great excercise before bed, and I also hear that a good foot massage helps you to sleep. If you can get these 3 parts of your life in good condition then you will certainly be healthy. It doesn't need to be daunting or complicated.

  413. My tips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Exercise:
    Yeah, every bit helps, and there are some good tips like taking the farthest parking spot, ect. I find a brief workout after work is great for stress relief and my metabolism. Your body temperature is at its highest then, which means you're at your most limber - you can stretch farther and are more flexible. Consistency is more important than exertion.

    Diet:
    Eating less is the other part. Here's my tip: Don't buy food. If you don't have it you can't eat it. Switch to Healthy Choice or Weight Watchers TV dinners to get your sense of a proper portion size back. Try switching to 4 or 5 small meals a day 3 or 4 hours apart- you don't really get hungry and avoid the metabolism crashes right before/after lunch or at 2:30. Try tracking everything you eat so you know exactly how many calories you're getting. There's a USDA nutrient database that'll give you good approximations to most foods:

    http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl

    Beer:
    Alcohol is very high in energy - you can use pure alcohol as a not too bad fuel. They make beer lite by reducing the alcohol content. Either make it a once in a while treat or accept that a large chunk of your daily calories are empty.

  414. Tae-Kwon-Do by janolder · · Score: 1
    Participating in a Tae-Kwon-Do (any martial arts style will do) class four times a week is a wonderful enrichment of my life. It allows me to either eat what I want and not gain weight or eat what I used to before TKD and lose weight.

    Find a local studio and check it out. Always changing excercise, great cardio, a sense of accomplishment, very nice for strengthening the back (no more annoying shoulder/neck/back pain after a day's work) and your physician will like your improved cholesterol numbers too.

  415. After taking a break from college... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I took a job where I sat at a desk for two years. During those two years, I ate fast food every day for lunch, when I got home I would usually go out to eat again for dinner. I had also quit playing soccer so I wasn't getting any exercise besides the every day walking around the office/home/etc. During that time I went from being in-shape and failt muscular at 195lbs (6'1") to fat, saggy and over 240lbs.

    In Dec (2002) I left the job to go back to school and now I'm stuck being overweight and completely out of shape.

    I've lost 20+ lbs since Feburay, but it's not been easy. There's been times I've gone up and down, but lately my routine has been to eat MUCH MUCH LESS. Drink alcohol very rarely. 50 pushups and 60-80 situps in the morning. I'm playing soccer once a week, and ocassionally I go on a bike ride or a run. Not until recently am I beginning to any see signs of improvement.

    Gaining weight is quick and easy. Loosing weight/staying in shape is very slow and extrememly difficult.

    I regret EVERY MOMENT of the two years of just sitting there eating a burger, french fries and a coke.

  416. More benefits to Open Source fitness! by Xebikr · · Score: 1

    You can virtually guarantee that any "security holes" you might have will be found and plugged sooner!

  417. some things by strombrg · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ultimately you're going to need to burn more calories than you consume, plus maybe toning your abdominal muscles a bit if your intestines are starting to push out against your abdomen..

    Two freebie ways of burning more calories are to drink tea and eat chili peppers. These both raise your metabolism, so you actually burn more calories at rest.

    But that's probably not enough, especially if you're drinking a lot of beer. At some point, you're probably going to want to get a gym membership or some exercise equipment at home, or take up running, or something like that.

    One good way of burning calories is to do weight training. Muscles are blast furnaces that love to gobble calories. The bigger they are, and the more you use them, the more they gobble. Muscle weighs more than fat, so don't worry too much about your results on the scale if you try this approach.

    BTW, I'm no nutritionist, but I find Nonalcoholic beer pretty satisfying, and I believe it cuts out a lot of calories.

    Also, there's vegetarianism. It tends to be low calorie unless you use too much oil or over-rely on high fat cheese, and it's a good way to go if you, as a typical guy, want to extend your lifespan to that of a typical woman.

  418. Look into weightlifting by deleveld · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lifting weights is very compatible with coding, as it doesn't have to take very much time at all. Look into 'hardgainer' routines which some people, including myself, have had success with. Even advanced hardgainer routine only require about 45 minutes at most twice a week, some even less. Even with this limited time investment you can get quite strong (compared to previous untrained self) if you do it right.

    Doug Eleveld

  419. Easy by ViceClown · · Score: 1

    I go to the gym. Try it.

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  420. Lose 10lbs in 10 seconds!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cut off your leg

  421. Didn't you notice by Jarth · · Score: 1



    There are quite a _FEW_ posts following this remark ! ?

    Now i'm wondering what kind of things people dare to eat on the other end of this carefully timeframed message.

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  422. Thirsty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Actually by the time you are thirsty you needed water some time ago, as there is a significant lag between when your brain says you are thirsty and when your body needs it. I hike and exercise a lot so I've experienced this firsthand. Drink more water than you think you need, especially in dry environments.

  423. Re:Can choke chicken at the office to burn calorie by xyloplax · · Score: 1

    or work from home, same thing

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  424. How I get in shape: by Ja�ana · · Score: 0

    Parris Island--the ultimate weight loss program.

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  425. Power Tubes by demonic-halo · · Score: 1

    Personally, I have a pair of power tubes. They're basically a long tube, similar to the one used me hospitals as a tourniqette with handles on each end. Just step on center, or what ever position suits your resistence needs and start doing curls, gorilla presses, rowing, whatever. It's very flexible and can't pretty much work out your entire upper body. Provides simple strength/endurance training.

    1. Re:Power Tubes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where can I buy these?

  426. Listen to your Body, not your Mind by Cordath · · Score: 1

    When you opt for a quiet night and and rent a movie, are popcorn, chips, or other snacks a part of the video ritual? Does it even matter if you were hungry? When you pick up a Slurpee at the convinience store do you buy the size you feel like consuming or the size that looks like the best deal? "What idiot wouldn't pay 10% more for twice the slurpee!"

    A rather large amount of our eating habits are not determined by hunger or fat cravings or anything of the sort. Rather, they're a product of our mental perceptions and habits. We associate certain activities with eating. We force our bodies to eat things they don't really want or need for thousands of little reasons. All it takes to overcome this is a little bit of applied common sense and a rethinking of our priorities.

    Hence, some guidelines to follow:

    1. Listen to your body. If it's craving a steak, feed it steak. If it isn't hungry, don't eat.
    2. When you're deciding what to eat, first ask yourself if you're actually hungry or you're just looking for something to keep your hands busy. Chances are that if you just had a big dinner you don't really need popcorn to go with that after-dinner movie.
    3. Your mother taught you not to waste food. First, you probably don't live in Ethiopia. Chances are you will have food tommorow. Second, it's waste whether it gets added to your spare tire or goes in the trash. Sure, a little fat might come in handy if your plane goes down in the Andes, but not to fat bastards like you! The fit people will come out on top when it's Hannibal Lecter time. Next time, don't buy/make/take so much food.
    4. When buying food, remember that the true cost of food in our wealthy but relatively inactive society is the calories. Buy the right ammount, not what looks like the best deal.
    5. Don't put the chocolate bar on a pedestal behind bowls of fruits and veggies with dip. If you want the F'ing Twix bar, eat the F'ing Twix bar! Don't gnaw your way through 3 pounds of fruit before you finally give in and eat it anyways. Fruit is healthier, but it has calories too.
    6. Watermelon is gooooood.
    7. If you go to a retaurant, appetizers are your friend. When you become "full" is more a product of when you start eating rather than how much you eat. Eat a roll to start with and you'll probably run out of steam before you finish the Linguini Alfredo uber-platter. If you wait untill the waiter finally brings the main course out you'll be hungry enough to wolf it down before the interogastrone has a chance to hit you. (and regret it later)
    8. Eat slow, or if you're a military man home at Mother's for thanksgiving, take one plate, eat fast, and then take a break before digging in again.

    That's all I can think of at the moment in terms of eating habits. Others have covered the excersize aspects fairly well. Ignore people who tell you to watch your fat consumption. It's the calories that matter. Fat does have twice the calories as the same mass of carbohydrates, but that's about it. Skim Milk has more fat than Cola, but guess which one has more calories?

    If your goal is not to maintain your current weight, but to actually lose weight, remember that our bodies adapt to our caloric intake and activity levels. If you suddenly start eating nothing but veggie platters and running marathons you will lose weight, but your body is going to get a *lot* more efficient. If you stop running and start eating corndogs and hoagies again your body will pack on the pounds like crazy. Short-term diets, temporary exercize regimins and special Jenny Craig food are all futile. Permanent lifestyle choices are the only way to take weight off.

    P.S. Beware of diet plans, especially the successful ones like Jenny Craig. I'd be curious to know just how much of their buisness comes from repeat customers...

  427. Can't believe I haven't seen this posted yet... by elluzion · · Score: 1
  428. Do your own research... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, if you want to be a lwayer...

    Weigh yourself in the morning, then don't drink any water and eat only dried foods for the day. If you can stand the headaches, irritability, weakness and dry mouth, then weigh yourself at the end of the day minus the weight of any food you ate (add, 1 lb for pooping?). This should give you the weight of the water you lost. You'll be surprised by how must water you lose during the day just to breathing, sweating, etc.

    1. Re:Do your own research... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be ridiculous. The poster claimed 'most people don't drink enough' and that people need 2 quarts water/day, not that people can go without water.

    2. Re:Do your own research... by tolan-b · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you should re-read what he wrote. he was pointing out how you can determine how much water the body loses in a day. it's typically 2-2.5 litres a day for an adult. you need to replace that much water daily, but a lot of the water you need comes from food, including things that you might expect to have very low water content, like bread.

  429. Tai Chi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know it sounds new agey, but I just started Tai Chi..it takes only a little time whenever/wherever you have it, and builds up good fitness habits/flexibility/energy/fitness. I didn't believe it either, until I tried it. Kazaa has some great Tai Chi video downloads, and lessons are cheap too.

  430. King of the Hill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Heh! You and Bobby Hill!

    Lay off the deli food son....that boy just ain't right.

  431. those numbers for water consumption come from... by sexylicious · · Score: 1

    a medical study co-sponsored by the US Army. The report stated that 1 quart of water every hour or two is necessary for a soldier doing moderate work. So, if you are not a soldier (or work out) you probably don't NEED that much water.

    On the other hand, water really IS good for you. The general rule given by doctors is that if your urine is clear, rather than yellow, you are drinking enough water. There is no set amount of water for a person to drink; people are different sizes, different body chemistries, have different diets, and so on. I drink 4 liters of water per day. And I work out every other day.

    Of course, I have to pee all the time. But I feel more awake, I rarely get sick, never have headaches, and never feel tired during the day.

    And in the Army at least, they say that if you aren't peeing all the time, you are not drinking enough water.

  432. Re:People don't understand there are 2 kinds of ca by timeOday · · Score: 1

    What if the marathon runner popped a sugar cube every few minutes throughout the race?

  433. Peaches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What fat could be in peaches? It is probably either a laxative effect due to some chemical or from fiber in them.

    1. Re:Peaches? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I don't remember what kind of lipid caused the effect, but more generally, nearly all unprocessed foods contain some fat. Peaches have at least ten types of lipids in them.

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  434. Ethernopians aren't fat for a reason by doc_traig · · Score: 1

    Two words: Sally Struthers

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  435. Average US Portion Size by rembem · · Score: 1

    Also note the average portion size served has risen dramasticly the past few years. The food industry is stuffing more and more into it's customers, which willingly eat (and pay) more. It was all over the news some time ago. So remember, when eating out: Never finish your plate, and never ask for a doggy bag.

  436. Quick weight loss by buzzdecafe · · Score: 1

    Heroin will do the trick. There may be some side effects.

  437. Re:those numbers for water consumption come from.. by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1
    Of course, I have to pee all the time. But I feel more awake, I rarely get sick, never have headaches, and never feel tired during the day.


    But you'd be in trouble in one of those long boring meetings that I get stuck in!
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  438. Simple by xNoLaNx · · Score: 1

    Rearrange your cubicle or your network room. Lifting 19" monitors and full tower cases, not to mention pushing around server racks, you'll be a stick-boy again in no time. That and ramen, lots of ramen.

  439. Don't excercise at the office by Fjord · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why aren't you exercising at home or at a gym. If you have to work long hours, then just wait until it's late to do your excercising (which will cut down on the number of people there), or just start going to the gym at, say 7 no matter what, and coming back to work if you need to. The brain break will help you work anyway.

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  440. Which ball would you suggest? by duckpoopy · · Score: 0, Troll

    Left or right? Can I switch balls when one gets tired?

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  441. Lose weight while sitting by Marqis · · Score: 1

    Try replacing your chair with one of those big exercise balls. The pick your feet up off the ground every now and again.

  442. Another choice -- stand by Gudlyf · · Score: 1
    I've often considered getting a desk in my office that can be easily raised/lowered so I can choose to stand to work rather than sit on my arse all day. Sure it's not the same as moving around, but I have to think it helps somewhat with the ass-shaped-like-a-seat-cushion syndrome.

    Then again, you don't want to stand for 10 hours a day, else you're apt to get varicose veins in your legs over time.

    And as the original poster mentioned -- get up and walk. Take the long way to the meeting room. Always take the stairs to get from floor to floor. Get a stress ball and squeeze it while you read Slashdot. If you're a sysadmin, find an excuse to lug monitors around all day.

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  443. Office Diet plan by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

    There was something I was doing, that worked really well for me..

    I decided I was overweight at 170 pounds (5'8", average frame). My face was fat, and I wasn't particulary happy with my overall look.

    On this method, I was loosing between 3 and 5 pounds per week day, but would only sustain my weight on weekends.

    I went down to 150 pounds, and stayed there for a long time, no matter how hard I tried. Then I dropped to 145 recently. I've been walking more than driving. I've been holding around 145, which is about perfect for me.

    First off, stop drinking soda. No coke, diet coke, whatever.. Drink water, and lots of it. Carry bottles of water to work, since most places just have soda machines. Don't drink the Dasani water. It is salted and tastes nasty. Read the label. Bottled water shouldn't have anything but water in it. Once your away from it for a while, then it's ok to have the occasional coke. I know, most people drink coke instead of water, and haven't had a glass of water in years. Coke encourages this. They encourage people to put soda machines out and make sure that they have a presence in every supermarket, gas station, and convinence store. They want your money, and don't care that their product isn't good for you (just like cigarettes).

    Coke, at 200 calories per 20oz bottle, isn't really good. Ask your doctor if you should be taking in say 400 to 600 calories per day in soda. Then ask your dentist (it's really bad for your teeth too). I'm not a doctor or dentist, so ask them for confirmation.

    I don't eat breakfast.. That's a rule that I've lived by since I was a kid. My metabolism doesn't support it (maybe I need an upgrade?). If I eat breakfast, I feel sick all day. Makes mornings a lot faster though. :)

    Don't snack. Snacking just brings in extra calories, and if you're getting fat, then you're bringing in too much.. If you want to reverse the getting fat trend, lower your intake. Think of it like a bucket with a small drain in it.. The drain represents the energy you burn during the day. A water hose into the top of the bucket represents your food intake. If you fill the bucket faster than it drains, it gets too full (you get fat). If you fill it too slowly, the bucket will run out of water (you get think and die). There's a happy medium, where there's enough water going in, and enough water going out ,and everything remains happy. But, you have to lower your intake for a while, or increase your output, to bring the level of water (your weight) down.

    My daily routine was:

    8am wake up. Go to my exercise area, which initially consisted of a towel on the floor. Do stretching exercises, situps and pushups, and more stretching. After I got to 100 situps and pushups without getting tired, I got bored with it, and got weights too. I slowly worked up to 30 pounds of weights in my hands crossed over my chest, for 100 situps.. And I added a decent array of weight bench exercises over time. Don't try too hard at first, if you keep doing it, you'll see improvement. Always stretch before and after.

    8:45am stop exercising, shower, etc, etc, and go to work.

    10am arrive at work (this is my shift)

    1:30pm small lunch. I limited myself to 300-400 calories for lunch. Don't eat fast food. If you consider it, check their web sites. A Big Mac is 580 calories. Personally, I like the Lean Cuisine meals.. The Healthy Choice frozen pizzas aren't bad either.

    8pm leave work.

    8:05pm, meet up with friends for drinks. 5 or 6 pints of Guinness sometime between 8pm and midnight. Ok, socially drinking every night probably isn't the best thing for a diet (or my liver),

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  444. Learn to play squash by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 1

    Seriously.

    The problem with most exercise is that's it's boring as hell. Picking up pieces of iron and putting 'em down again? Lame-o-matic.

    On the other hand, playing squash burns calories quickly and it's fun. You don't have to be great shape to start off, and simply by practicing you'll lose weight and gain strength.

    Take beginner lessons as many times as necessary. Join a beginner league. You'll find that there are people at all ages who learn to play, so you'll be in good company (hey, I started when I was 35).

    Best of all, squash courts are indoors and the game is international, so you can play year 'round, regardless of the weather or where you are.

  445. on exercise by sammy+baby · · Score: 1

    Most of the discussion so far has revolved around dietary changes. That's only half of the equation - as long as you're not getting enough exercise, you're never going to be "in shape" (whatever that means)

    I'm a big proponent of finding a physical activity you genuinely enjoy and doing that whenever possible. For me, it's kung fu, and occasional hiking and bike riding. To that, I add trips to the gym for weight training. The big secret that feww trainers are willing to mention: you can get a good weight workout in less than a half hour, especially if you're willing to hit the gym four or five times a week. (I go six: three to lift, and three for cardio & abs.)

    As for equipment: if you're intent on exercising at work, you need something relatively small. Check out kettlebells, which look like a cannonball with a handle. The good news is that you can get an intense full-body workout with them. The bad news: they're cast iron. Lose your grip while swinging one, and it ain't pretty.

    If you prefer to go the equipement-less route, do yourself a favor and check out a power yoga class. Advantages: you can get a good full-body workout which not only increases your muscular endurance, but also helps with flexability and balance. Downside - someone walking into your cube while you're doing boat pose, or downward-facing-dog. "Dude. What the hell are you doing?" "Uh... nuttin."

    Most important by far: do something you can actually see yourself enjoying, and do it whenever you can. Consistency is the most important thing.

  446. Commute == exercise by iav8c177s · · Score: 1

    For many of us, exercise itself is not fun, hence other priorities squeeze it out. (The rest of you, off in the corner over there and admire each other's pects for awhile, w'dja mind? We be talkin bidness here.) If you can possibly work more work into getting to work, you decrement your death clock. Within 1 mile? Walk to work. 15-20 minutes. Within 8 miles? Bike. Further out, adjust transport to deposit you within those limits. You gotta get to work somehow, and you gotta spend time doing it. Might as well fight flab. That way, you're giving up very little else.

  447. Here's what I do... by jnik · · Score: 1

    It's all about a combination of things. As LOTS of people have said, cut out soda. My main replacement is iced tea (technically sun tea). Cheaper (box of twenty teabags is three or four bucks; use about four or five bags per quart of tea). Every day or two I throw a jar on the porch to brew. Zero calories, plenty of anti-oxidants. You might be able to get away with keeping a jar in the fridge at work (if not, well, just use it at home).

    I bought a weight machine. This isn't really for building mass or for losing weight, it's for curbing the incessant pain in my back. $200 machine; takes me fifteen or twenty minutes a day to do thirty or forty reps of five exercises (lat pulldown, ab crunch, back extension, butterfly, and the good ol' bench, for the curious).

    And, bike to work if you can. If you can't (and by "can't" I mean over five miles--ten's really doable, too), try to bike for short trips. You've got to go a mile to get a gallon of milk; just ride. Save on car wear and tear and serious emissions, too. Massbike has lots of good info on riding in city traffic that's by no means Boston-specific; see also John Allen's page. For short trips, especially in urban or semi-urban areas, it's no slower than a car and may be faster.

  448. About beer... by Gudlyf · · Score: 1
    4. Switch to Light beer (Ugh). Yes, I know, it sucks, but it will save you in the long run in two ways: 1. light beer has half of the calories of regular beer, and 2. usually light beers are domestics, so they tend to cost less at bars and the store than pricey (yet oh so tasty) imported beers.

    I used to have a beer or three after work on Fridays with friends, then more throughout the weekend depending on what was going on. Once I cut out just those 1-3 beers on Friday, I noticed a HUGE difference in weight loss.

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  449. Add muscle, energy consumption increases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eating less and exercising more (cardiovascularly) are good advice, but beware; lowered energy intake also means losing muscle mass, leading to a flabby appearance.

    A great way to burn fat is to add muscle mass.

    The body will require more energy to maintain existing muscle, so your average energy consumption, even when sitting at the computer, is increased. And you end up looking and feeling leaner, though your weight might actually go up! (muscle tissue weighs more than fat)

    AC

  450. Pull-up bar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are pull up bars that installs in any door frame. I got one. It worked for me.

  451. Excercising at work by robertclements · · Score: 1

    My man, you need a jump rope. Cheap, easy to do and a great calorie burner.

  452. Easy (maybe) by iie1195 · · Score: 1

    - Ride your bike to work.
    - Stop eating all that pizza and burgers (even if it IS a company perk).
    - Get a rowing machine for home. You can exercise while watching TV.
    - Bring in a change of clothes and spend your lunch running.

  453. Coding and scarfing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Easy, diet soda (unless you are paranoid about sugar substitutes)

    2. There is something about sitting at a desk and snacking, it might be the brain activity demanding glucose, regardless get healthy snacks like dried fruit which fill you up and have vitamins (avoid dried fruit with gobs of added sugar).

    3. ...or eat out better. You can buy salads.

    4. I just don't drink beer (or VERY rarely)

    5. Exercise is a must. Going to a gym is a big turnoff for most due to the boredom factor. Do something that is mentally stimulating at the same time. I do martial arts which is a killer (excuse the pun) and requires major amounts of coordination and thinking. I never get bored.

  454. Save your back by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    Here's something you can do sitting down and watching your compiler working.

    Hands flat on top of thighs, palms down. Press down and hold for ten seconds.

    Did you feel that in your abdominal muscles? That's the idea.

    Do that regularly and you're reducing your risk of lower back pain.

    For weight control, be a nerd and quantify how hungry you are. What works for me is a scale of 1-10 where 1 is cramping and wondering what the pigeons outside would taste like, and 10 is so full you don't dare eat a "thin little mint". It's really easy to get in the habit of eating when you experience level 4, and eating until you hit 10. Force yourself into the habit of eating only at 2 or below and stopping at 4 or 5.

    Count up how many calories you eat in a day and you'll be suprised how many you're wasting on things you don't especially enjoy. Are those four cans of Coke really as enjoyable as a meal?

    Be real careful about eating out. McDonalds and higher class restaurants will gladly give you 1500 to 3000 calories in a single meal.

    Walk around the block when you need a break. Better for you than coffee, and works almost as well.

  455. Kendo - Get in Shape, Inspire Fear by ashitaka · · Score: 1

    Nobody gives me any weird looks if I'm swinging my shinai.

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    If you don't want to repeat the past, stop living in it.
  456. If you use a treadmill... by leeet · · Score: 1

    You'll see how much sweat you have to give to get rid of only 150 calories (the equivalent of 1 pop).

    Get rid of just 1 pop per day and you have 750 calories less in your body with no efforts whatsoever...

    What I do is to take the stairs instead of the elevator. Going up 1 or 2 stories helps. If you're thristy, just go get water on the 2nd level or in the basement. It will make you walk a bit and most importantly, it will help prevent blood clots in your legs...

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    -- Leeeter than leet
  457. Above is bad advice by sql*kitten · · Score: 1

    Learn to appreciate the feeling of a tiny hunger. Consider it a sign from your belly to your brain saying "hey dude : you're losing weight right now ! Keep up the spirit !".

    You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The body doesn't store vitamins and other trace nutrients. If you don't eat, you aren't getting those. Your body will go into a survival mode in which your metabolism slows. Not only will you not burn fat in this mode, but you will feel lethargic and miserable as your body tries to conserve energy, this discouraging you from exercising.

    There is no need not to eat three good-sized meals a day - just so long as they are sensible meals. Foods like brown rice and wholemeal pasta are effectively "free" - use them to bulk up your meals so you are satisfied.

  458. a few tips and clarifications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I sit at a computer all day and have a six pack -- it wasn't always this way. Here's what's worked for me:

    As others have said, the key to dropping weight is obviously to burn more calories than you consume. Cardiovascular exercise is vastly overrated for weight loss. It's a tool, sure, but hitting the treadmill out of big mac-induced guilt is not going to get you very far. You'll do better to concentrate on getting your system burning more calories at rest.

    Cardio can help you do this by giving your overall metabolic rate a kickstart.But another very useful approach is to increase your muscle mass -- maintaining muscle takes quite a few calories. The treadmill is important for overall health, no doubt about it -- but the weight bench can be just as useful for dropping and keeping off fat in the long run.

    But by far the easiest step is to consume fewer calories. Get used to being just a little bit hungry in between meals -- there's nothing wrong with that. Caloric storage efficiency (per gram) goes down in the order fat/carbohydrates/protein/fiber (no calories). So load up on the protein and fibrous veggies. Don't be that scared of fat -- especially if it's not paired with carbohydrates. As the Atkin-olytes will be happy to tell you, the insulin spike you get from refined carbs and sugars makes any calories you're processing get compartmentalized as fat much more easily. Avoid that spike! If you need to pig out on carbs, don't do it at a meal where you're eating a lot of other calories. And avoiding refined carbs and sugar in favor of whole-grain foods will also lessen the effect greatly.

    You can also burn more fat by maintaining a glycogen-depleted state further into the day -- that means an Atkins-type breakfast, ideally paired with early morning cardio.

    And finally -- the soda needs to go. The beer... well, I'm certainly sympathetic... but do you need it every day? Switch to light beer and save it for weekends and ballgames.

    Most of my info comes from washingtonpost.com's liveonline section -- check out Marty Gallagher's Tuesday Strength & Fitness chats. Good stuff.

  459. I'll let you in on a little secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jimmy Tango's Fat Busters
    "I have combined the miracle of science technolgy, to secrets of ordinary street junkies, and then you get, JIMMY TANGO'S FAT BUSTER!!!...Well, when I close my eyes, I see, oh, all spiders and snails...and these days when I am wearing a blue shirt, people. Don't try to stock a letter in my mouth!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Hey, if you're a porcpine, don't be affraid to come RIDE THE SNAKE!!!...Talk is cheap! Scan Me!!!(He does the same as in David Cronenberg's Scanners)...Try it, If you Dare!!!"

    -Jim Carrey SNL 1995

  460. Calcium by The0retical · · Score: 1

    According to a couple of studies that I have read eating more calcium triggers a gene in some people that burns more fat. So basically lay off the crap for lunch and eat like 2 low fat yogurts which will give something like 50% of the calcium for the day and take a supplement.

    For the study look for 'weight loss calcium' on google it will bring up the study.

  461. Don't give up beer by sanctimonius+hypocrt · · Score: 1

    just cut down. Drink one bottle of really good beer, two days a week. Sierra Nevada Stout is my current favorite. Have one every Tuesday and Thursday night; It'll give you something to look forward to, and your life will be more than a dreary wasteland of carrot sticks and mineral water.

  462. Workplace Exercise by Archalien · · Score: 1

    I just get out of my chair, go down the stairs outside and feel the 97 degree Texas heat burn the fat on my body. Then I work on my pack-a-day cigarette habit wondering if the tech economy will pick back up before the cancer kicks in.

    Personally I'm hoping the lack of exercise in the tech workplace is just a feature of evolution in the job market.

  463. Do what I do by Penguinshit · · Score: 1

    Go surfing.

    And not the web, either.

    I drink beer like I breath air, sit in front of a computer at least 10 hours a day M-F, and eat everything I can get my carpal-tunnel fingers on.

    But I surf for hours every weekend (and during the week when I can sneak one in) and I continue to have an Adonnis-like body (or so my wife tells me).

    Surfing is nice low-impact high-cardiovascular exercise. If you live in an area with cold water like I do, busting ass in 52-degree liquid for two hours is like humping a stair master in a gym for 5 (and it's a hell of a lot more fun).

  464. Re:5EX seems to work for me by Fjan11 · · Score: 1
    5BX can be done in 11 minutes a day...
    I find it hard to believe that no one at the Royal Canadian Airforce noticed that 5BX is only about half a chracter away from another good exercise that can be done in 11 minutes a day... 5EX ;-)
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    This sig is just as redundant as the rest of this posting
  465. Make exercise part of your day by SleezyG · · Score: 1

    Unless you are a carpenter or brick layer, you will not get exercise at work. So don't even bother bringing in weights or taking the stairs instead of the elevator - that's all too low impact. Changing your diet can be very difficult. Start easy: go to McDonalds, but no more deep fried potatoes. Eat two burgers instead.

    Most importantly, you have to exercise, every single day. Here are my steps to sucess, granted they require some willpower:

    1) Buy an Ipod - it helps the pain go away if you're listening to tunes. I recommend gangster rap.

    2) Commit to exercising 5 days/week and do not ever miss unless you are dying. Go out in bad weather. Make those adventure racers on OLN look like pussies. It will eventually become part of your routine because endorphins are just as addictive as nicotine.

    3) Lifting is great, but by the sound of it you want to lose weight. Run or bike it off. You need to get your heart rate about 20% above normal: low stress cardio. Too low, and you're strolling around the block with grandma. Too high, and your body get's desperate for energy and burns muscle instead of fat.

  466. Couple of quick tricks by MoogMan · · Score: 1

    @ Walk to work if at all possible. If not, park further away from work than normal then walk the rest, etc

    @ Drink more water. 8 pints a day is the recommended amount. The more you drink, the less you'll eat.

    @ Take the stairs.

    @ On your break, take a walk somewhere as opposed to sitting on your ass :p

    @ Cut down on a couple of packets of crisps a day/week. Dont try to cut everything bad out - you'll never do it. Maybe every other time you have something "unhealthy", have an apple or a banana.

    @ Start looking at the fat/calorie content in some foods. A lot of the low-fat stuff doesnt taste at all bad and may be worth considering.

    Couple of simple things, but as long as you can get into this way of thinking, you'll figure out your own tricks to keeping your weight down.

    Note that the only way to effectively get rid of your belly is to do cardio (ie running, rowing, riding on bike etc). 20 mins, 3 times a week *at least*

  467. he didn't ask about diets... by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 1

    I know diet is important, but so is exercise. I've been flying a desk for years, and for over half my career, it was 60-100 hours a week at work. Bleah.

    I haven't really gotten back into shape, but there are things that have helped me get closer.

    1) The best was exercising at lunch. At a couple of jobs, I've worked out one way or another (running and swimming, or gone to the gym). This was the best.

    2) A lot of folks here keep their bikes here, and bike at lunch. It's extremely hilly, though, and I need to get in a bit better shape before I go back to biking (haven't biked *seriously* in two decades).

    3) For an afternoon break, I play ping pong. Once you get past just returning the ball, it gets aerobic, if you have someone else who's close to your skill level, or can play there. No, I am not kidding. This is also good for your body just in terms of getting you out of the "stare at teh computer" position.

    4) If nothing else, I go for a walk several times a week, and run up stairs much of the time. I don't really care if folks laugh about this.

    5) One place I worked, several of us formed a co-op and brought in free weights and stuff. (The company ended up buying some equipment, too.) The ideal, of course, is that the company simply adds a weight room, like Vignette did. Of course that was before the dotCOM bust and 9/11...

  468. Re:those numbers for water consumption come from.. by sexylicious · · Score: 1

    LOL!

    Umm.... That's what Depends are for! :D

  469. try this by Sanga · · Score: 1
  470. But if you're American... by Guiness17 · · Score: 1

    You're already drinking light beer, eh? You're just getting that much closer to @#$ water! (yes, I'm Canadidan, and yes, I like my 5%...)

    --
    Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...
  471. Less beer, more liquor by Axiom_1 · · Score: 5, Funny
    Beer has a lot of calories. Seriously - check your nutritional information labels.

    Hard liquor is much better for you. In fact, if you drink enough right after a meal, you can actually get negative calories from it...

    1. Re:Less beer, more liquor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fact, if you drink enough right after a meal, you can actually get negative calories from it...


      Right, so in that case, you gain anti-matter or what?

      Damn good physics...
    2. Re:Less beer, more liquor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure and the Cold Beer and Cold Icecream diet is a miracle to.

  472. cheap bastard by chunkwhite86 · · Score: 1

    Go get a gym membership you cheap bastard!

    I pay $35 a month at a gym here in DC. They are open 5 am - 11 pm which is very nice.

    I can go before work, on my lunch hour, after work, or late at night.

    very flexible. and people in the office won't look at you like your nuts.

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    I'd rather be a conservative nutjob than a liberal with no nuts and no job.
  473. Yoga by sambo_shacklock · · Score: 1

    I'd reccommend doing some Yoga. In the past 7 months I've lost about 15 Kg (waist has gone from 42 to about 35in)--- and the only real lifestyle change I made was starting to do Yoga 3-5 times a week.

    Try going to some classes to get ya technique right, and get some Yoga DVDs. My favourite one is GAIM: Yoga for Weight Loss. It has 4 levels of difficulity.

    Another side benefit is that my back has got better --- my chiropracter has been surprised how well it's stabalised. Sweet - no more back problems. Hmm, and my RSI seems to have settled down as well.

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    Carpe post meridian
  474. A snack you have to work for... by abiessu · · Score: 1

    You could use the following forced exercise...

    1) ask your boss if you can have a minor snack at your desk

    2) if yes, buy a bag of unshelled walnuts to set next to your desk
    2a) if no, buy the unshelled walnuts for the break room and have coffee break challenges...

    3) every so often, grab an unshelled walnut and break it open with your bare hand. eat the walnut as desired

    4) when thirsty, drink water

    5) study people's reactions as your handshake becomes amazing

    --
    Let S_n = {nst+us+vt : s,t in Z \ {0}, u,v in {-1,1}}. For all n in Z where |n| > 2, Z \ S_n is infinite... right?
  475. No, absolutely not! by WesternActor · · Score: 1
    I can't let your comment about "get hungry and learn to love the feeling" just go by. Being hungry and staying hungry is about the worst thing anyone can do who's interested in losing weight. Hunger is your body's way of telling you it's running low on fuel and needs to be replenished. It's sort of like driving your car when the needle's on red. Sure, you might be able to make it another few miles, but is it really necessary to risk it?

    A great deal of the other stuff you say is right, though--eating just a little bit (preferably enough to remove the hungry feeling, but not exactly feeling anything approaching full) is a much better way of dealing with feeling hungry. You're giving your body the nutrition it needs to carry on and preventing yourself from gorging on other, potentially less healthy, stuff later.

    And, of course, exercise always helps but isn't strictly necessary. In my experience, correctly knowing when to eat--or not eat--is really the primary thing that affects people's weight. It may be difficult to change one's mindset in order to control it, but it can be done. I did it, and went from weighing somewhere in the 230-250 area to being 175-180 and keeping it off for the better part of six years now.

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    --Matthew
    "If the lights of Broadway blind me, I won't mind..."
  476. Do something while watching TV by prozac79 · · Score: 1

    I'm one of those people who find working out at the gym incredibly boring. I can't bike or run to work since I need to keep a clean and orderly appearance and don't have time to shower and change clothes at work. However, I started to notice just how much time I spend watching television and realize that there a whole lot of things you can do instead of just sitting on the couch. I've now started doing pushups and situps while watching my sitcoms. So, I still watch TV, but am also doing something good for my body. Just try lifting some weights or something while watching your daily episode of "The Simpsons" and you'll notice some improvement.

    BTW, thanks to everyone talking about how bad the soda is. I never had any idea that my liquid fuel was so bad for me. As of now, I'm cutting soda out of my daily routine except for one every once in a while (I'm not a machine or anything, I have needs!).

    --
    "Oh dear, she's stuck in an infinite loop and he's an idiot" -Prof. Farnsworth (Futurama)
  477. It's SOOO Easy... by thelizman · · Score: 1

    Take it from someone who has lost more than 100 lbs, good health is usually as easy as a lifestyle change.

    First, realize that excercise is not the key to losing weight. It's more like a garnish. What excercise is primarily good for is to increase muscle tone and cardiovascular health. However, at most even vigorous daily excercise will only ever account for 10% - 20% of the total energy budget of your body.

    As a side effect, excercise will increase your resting metabolic rate. That's the key, because RMR is accountable for 50% to 65% of your total energy budget. In fact, you lose more weight while sleeping than in several hours of proper excercise. Digestion fills in for 15% to 35%, so choosing foods that take more to digest is a good idea (as in, don't eat sugar filled white bread junk foods).

    Diet is key. You can control precisely how much you put in your mouth, but as demonstrated above you have little control over how much you take out of your body. When people live the life of a cubicle monkey, they tend to gravitate towards eating out and the "power lunch". Try to eat a well balanced diet yadda yadda yadda cliche cliche cliche. The easiest thing to do is eat subway - no shit.

    Another thing people tend to do is skip breakfast, and skimp on lunch. This is the biggest mistake people make - they use up their energy in the morning, and wind up eating more in the evening. Well that food goes straight to the fat stores. Eat a good healthy breakfast, a satisfying lunch, and then go cheap on dinner. You'll also sleep better.

    The beer is fine...keep drinking it. Just remember to moderate. Also, just to keep from dehydrating yourself, drink a glass of water for every beer. In fact, you should drink enough water so that - except for that first piss in the morning or just after a workout, your urine stream should be clear or barely colored.

    Finally, we come back to excercise. Believe it or not, you don't have to kill yourself. Believe it or not, killing yourself is actually counterproductive. Your greatest weight loss will occur at between 65% and 85% of your maximum heart rate (MHR) for more than 30 minutes a day. To find this, you need to use Karvonin's formula, and I just don't have time to go over that. Look it up. But in general, if you're breathing heavy and sweating, you're doing a good job. If you're breathing so heavy that you can't talk in complete sentences, you're overdoing it. Overdoing it pushes you out of weight loss (the aerobic zone) and causes you to start burning nothing but glycogen. You want to burn fat.

    So, what kind of excercise can you do? The stairs are a really good idea. Who gives a shit if people are looking at you? If you're worried about self image, they're going to think less of you as a fat slob who doesn't care about your body. However, you don't have to "run" the stairs. Walk up them really fast. Powerwalking is also a good idea. One of the most inoccuous excercises for around the office is stretching. When you stretch one muscle, you're working another muscle. You also reduce your chance of injury by stretching.

    In general, don't try to work excercise in during your work day. Fit it in after work. Like I said, you only need about 30 minutes a day a few times a week (3 out of 5 days) to start losing gobs of weight.

  478. Bike. Masturbate. Fuck. by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1
    I work from home. Whenever I run errands, I do it on my bike, carefully making sure I go as far as possible (even though the market is by the corner). And, once in a while, I whip it out and cream it off while watching some downloaded pr0n.

    Then, at night, I head to the bars - on my bike again; chicks dig guys in spandex: no risk of false advertising!

  479. It's really easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's really pretty easy to get in shape or at least take off some excess weight. The main issue is mental. As many other posts state: eat less and exercise more. A major issue is to eat clean. Not all calories are created equal. Not all protein/carb/fat calories are created equal. There is such a thing as an essential protein (amino acid) and essential fat (EFA = essential fatty acid) but no such thing as an essential carb. Carbs are important as they supply energy and are muscle-sparing. Watch out for Atkins and Keto as taken to an extreme they can really mess you up.

    Be sure to consider the GI value of carbs. Some carbs cause a higher insulin spike than others. Sometimes it is useful to aid in transport of nutrients into muscles, as well as being anti-catabolic, but insulin essentially stops lipolysis (fat burning). Carbs + fat = bad.

    Start by writing down your daily caloric intake for a week or so. That will give you a baseline. Also, note the protein/fat/carb ratios. Now reduce this amount by about 500 cal/day. That's about what your body needs to lose weight. A major issue is taking of weight at any cost may be what you're looking for but for some of us, losing muscle is not an option. Be careful if you lose more than about 2lb/week.

    Break your daily caloric intake into about 6 small meals. Eat every 2-3 hours. Drink lots of water, aim for a gallon a day. Yes, that's plain water. I realize many live on soda but cut that out and it'll make a huge difference. Also, others have said to drink fruit juice instead. That's a bad idea. Fruit is good due to the vitamins, nutrients, fiber, etc but fructose is bad. It must be processed by the liver and doesn't directly provide energy for muscles. Start the day with protein+carb meals and gradually work toward protein+fat meals. A 40/40/20 ratio (protein/carb/fat) is pretty ideal for most.

    As far as food choices...
    Carbs: oatmeal (the real stuff), rice, sweet potato/yams, whole grain bread.
    Protein: eggs, tuna, skim milk (never whole, 2% or even 1% milkfat), chicken, lean beef.
    Fat: olive oil, almonds/nuts, fish oils

    As for eggs, stick with the whites but do keep a few yolks.

    For breakfast go with a cup of oatmeal, a couple of scrambled eggs, and a banana (I put cinnamon and a banana in my oatmeal = yummy!) Eat right before bed. Cottage cheese and a hand full of nuts is perfect. In between, make good food choices. In fact I believe it was Alton Brown that said "there is no bad food, only bad food choices". Something like that anyway. Cookies are a major part of my diet also as I can only eat so many cans of tuns and bowls of oatmeal. The key is to isolate bad foods. If you eat a good breakfast at 6 and a good lunch at 12, a couple of cookies and a large glass of milk at 9 isn't too bad.

    As strange as this may sound to many of us geeks, look to the bodybuilders for nutrition information. Those guys are extreme but they'll tell you everything you want to know.

    1. Re:It's really easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something else to consider. Cardio is important. Check out HIIT cardio. 20-ish minutes a time, 3 times a week. Essentially warm up for a few minutes then perform your particular activity (I like running but rowing, treadmil, bike, stepper, etc work also) alternating low intensity (50 sec) and high intensity (10 sec) each minute. For instance, jog for 4 minutes then sprint 10 seconds, jog 50 seconds, sprint 10, jog 50, etc for 10-15 intervals. Start with a low number of intervals. It will raise your BMR. While you may burn more calories with regular (low intensity) cardio (consider jogging 45 minutes vs 20 minutes HIIT) but when you're done for the day, it's all over. With HIIT your body keeps going for quite a while.

      Also, eat an hour before. Never exercise on an empty stomach.

  480. Getting in shape by OreoAri · · Score: 1

    I reccomend the Xiser step machine- I had a messed up knee for a while, and it's helping tremendously.. The specific thing I use is at http://www.xiser.com/XiserSlim.html. I'm assuming you have some closed space (office, cubicle, cardboard box) so that no one will think it odd when you use the machine.

    Also, you could get a gripper for your hand. I think any sports equipment store should have one.

    HTH,
    ari

  481. no way! by lingqi · · Score: 4, Funny

    the jar has went into deficite a loooong time ago.

    oh wait. you don't mean only take pennies out when you have sex with your wife, do you?

    shucks! (dumps back 500 dollars in pennies)

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    My life in the land of the rising sun.

    1. Re:no way! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      shucks! (dumps back 500 dollars in pennies)

      Guess that was a good first year.... $500 in pennies = 50000 pennies ~= 1370 times per day... I'm surprised you *survived* your first year at that rate! :D

    2. Re:no way! by SeanAhern · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're off by a power of 10.

      $500 in pennies = 50,000 pennies.
      Divide by 365.25 ~= 137 times per day.

      Still, I'm surprised he survived, too! :-)

    3. Re:no way! by Placido · · Score: 1

      Only on slashdot would someone reply to quantify the joke AND GET MODDED AS FUNNY!!!

      The saddest part of this whole thing is that I agree with the moderation. Kill me now.

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      Pinky: "What are we going to do tomorrow night Brain?"
      Brain: "I would tell you Pinky but this 120 char limi
    4. Re:no way! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, and if he's been married for longer than two years (more than one year of penny withdrawals)...

    5. Re:no way! by SeanAhern · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter. The original joke claims that you will never reach $0, no matter how many years you've been married. Thus, any amount that he's withdrawn has to be less than the amount deposited in the first year. Since the poster mentioned returning $500 to the pot, it means that he racked up >= $500 of sex in the first year, no matter how many years he's been married.

      (I can't believe I just made an argument making a mathematical equivalence between sex and money. Shoot me now!)

    6. Re:no way! by SeanAhern · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's pretty scary. I didn't notice the +5 moderation as FUNNY until you replied to me.

      Thing is, I didn't even mean for it to be funny. The parent post from the AC was moderately funny, but mine got the Funny mod, even though it was a niggling math correction

      Go figure. Just goes to show that it makes a difference to post as a logged-in user, I guess.

  482. Re:5EX seems to work for me by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

    They didn't have 37337 hAx0rZ back in the 60's, that's probably why.

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  483. Genes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why should you, it's hardcoded in your genes...

  484. body weight or minimal equip. exercises by lukeg · · Score: 0

    http://www.mattfurey.com This guy is extreme, but his Combat Conditioning book offers a lot of bodyweight exercises that can be performed anywhere, such as your office, hotel room, or home. Or get yourself a kettlebell from http://www.dragondoor.com Kettlebells also offer a complete workout and take up little space. You'll probably need both a book and a video to get started, unless you can find a certified kettlebell trainer in your area.

  485. 122 cans of Diet Coke per day by nightsweat · · Score: 1
    You'll be shaking so hard you'll lose weight and you'll be so full you won't feel hungry.

    Plus, you'll have to run the bathroom, and running's good exercise!

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    the major advances in civilization are processes which all but wreck the societies in which they occur - A.N. White
  486. The way to keep the shape .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First you should go to a doctor, and
    especially he should perform
    a physical stresstest on you, so that he
    can judge your healthstatus, because you can get
    a cardiac infarct under 40 or an impact accumulation, and this would be very bad
    this what you do should not kill yourself.

    Even when you perform jogging in the
    wrong way, you can stress your
    spinal column very hard.

    Tipp :

    the way you perform your personal
    fitnesstraining must not be very
    hard to be successfull, but steady and well measured,

    in china elder people meet each other in parks
    to perform tai-chi, it consists of adjusted
    martial arts, and can also be performed using
    a (soft-wodden)sword or a special metal sword that I would not take to an office because of
    the possible fear that you could run amok,
    the movement itself isn't generally fast, but the steady and slow movement itself demands your
    concentration, and to hold a steady movement when
    you execute a figure you demand power from
    your body, it is more than a mediation, it is
    a steady movement and it even can be used
    under the aspects of combat(for selfdefence)

    here is a good link about
    http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Philosophy/Taichi /tc-hom e.html

    I do it for myself, because as a student at the age of 24, I don't have the time, also I'm not willing to re-engage in a judo or karate-club, as I said normal elder people do this meditation, but their is no reason in not doing it even when you are young.

    NOTE :
    It will not have any just in time effects
    and in the very first time your movement will look
    a clumpsi, because you must find a way
    to control your body.

  487. Try low-GI morning, carb beer boost in arvo and a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're serious about getting in shape I suggest this system which worked/works wonders for me.

    Start your day with low-GI foods to give you slow energy release thru the morning. Cereals are your best bet here (Use low fat milk but not that chalk-water Skim crap, just reduced fat stuff).

    What you eat for Lunch is pretty much irrelevant. Obviously low fat is desirable.

    At the same time each day, 4pm for me, leave work and alternate daily vists between the gym and running. Gym wil give you the tone+size, running will kill off the weight.

    Beer is full of carbohydrates which will provide an energy boost while you are exercising so don't feel too bad having on before or after.

    The trick is to keep it up and remember that in order to actually loose weight energy burned must be > energy consumed

    Oh and a word of warning - if you've never been to the gym before ask for a program to be setup for you. And if you want to minimize the cost, go to a University gym rather than one of the high cost health clubs.

    Cheers, Geoff.

  488. DDR by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    I'm going to assume you have a computer in your office. There are some relatively cheap options for getting a DDR-like game running on a computer. The pad will be more expensive, look for a soft one -- it would be a large box, but not heavy at all to carry in. As for people looking at you strangely, I think they'd more likely be jealous of you.

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  489. Eat more often by themightythor · · Score: 0

    Although counter-intuitive, it works. Granted, I'm a bodybuilder and need to keep my metabolism up, but eating every couple of hours keeps the fires stoked and raises your basal metabolism. Eating more often allows your body to say "hey! I know that I'm going to get more food again in a couple of hours, so I won't bother turning these calories into fat". Also, start a powerlifiting routine if you can. Not a whole lot of time out of your schedule, but the extra muscle serves to eat up more calories. Good luck!

  490. bull. shit. by lingqi · · Score: 1

    100lb in 365 days by doing the "Jared" thing? come on...

    100lb = 360,000 cal; you'd have to lose ~1000 cal per DAY to get that kind of weight loss. I am sorry but walking one mile to subway and back is not going to cut it.

    as a references: RUNNING 5km (~3miles) burns a measely 380cal for a 160lb person.

    you are either completely making this up, or exaggerating figures no less than Enron or worldcom.

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    1. Re:bull. shit. by IthnkImParanoid · · Score: 1

      You'd have to lose ~1000 cal per DAY

      Yeah, that's a lot, but not impossible. I led a pretty sedentary lifestyle (work...video games...sleep) a while back and wondered why I was 140 lbs (5'6"), and not 180+. I started doing a rough approximation of my caloric intake, and it was 1000-1200 a day. I drank coffee for breakfast, had a sandwhich and chips for lunch, and a lite dinner (so as to maximize video game playing, of course) with little snacking.

      I imagine if someone is able to lose 100 lbs without dying, they're used to eating 2500+ calories a day. Also, most obese people I know have fairly stable weights, suggesting just maintaining that bulk takes excessive calories. I can imagine a seriously obese person cutting back and starting to exercise losing ~100 lbs in a year.

      as a references: RUNNING 5km (~3miles) burns a measely 380cal for a 160lb person.

      Any figures on calories burned by a 300 lb person doing the same?

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      It's nothing but crumpled porno and Ayn Rand.
    2. Re:bull. shit. by brakk · · Score: 1

      For someone who is 100lbs overweight, dropping 500-1000 calories per day just from their diet isn't that hard. Combine that with the regular walking, and I'm sure he was making better eating choices during other meals. I can totally believe it.

      If you really want to loose weight, it isn't that hard. You don't need some strict insane diet, just get some kind of regular exercise and being conscious of what you eat. Little things make a big difference when added up. Choosing light dressing instead of regular or eating a burger instead of 20 hotwings or choosing lite beer over regular

      .

    3. Re:bull. shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      >lite beer over regular

      Come on now, that's going too far.

    4. Re:bull. shit. by Flower · · Score: 1

      One 20 Fl oz bottle of Coke has 250 calories. I cut out ~800-1200 calories a day just by dumping soda and drinking tea. Same caffine goodness minus the calories.

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      I don't want knowledge. I want certainty. - Law, David Bowie
    5. Re:bull. shit. by pbox · · Score: 1

      :-) that is funny.

      Let's say you drink heavily. 12 bottles a Miller a day. (whoa boy!)

      You switch to miller light: cut 100 cal per bottle. There you go 100lb a year!

      Of course 12 * 150Cal (Miller lite) and you have 1800Cal per day on your hands. You dont even have to eat ANYTHING else, your calorie intake is covered.

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      Code poet, espresso fiend, starter upper.
  491. Replace Your Chair by tarawa · · Score: 1

    I talked to a Taekwondo instructor about that and he said a great exercise is to simply replace your desk chair with a large ball that will support your weight.

    He said it forces you to use the muscles in your back and stomach area (as well as leg and shoulders) because you will be forced to adjust constantly to keep your balance. He claimed to have several students who had used that method to trim down. Maybe it could work for you if you can get your job to let you do it.

    Hopefully this might be useful.

    1. Re:Replace Your Chair by tarawa · · Score: 1

      This may have been posted already, but Slashdot once had a story about the Hacker Diet.

      Here is the link to the Hacker Diet.

      http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/

  492. Lots of small things... by Tomasthanes · · Score: 1

    Take the stairs not the elevator.

    When you go to lunch, walk the long way (I do 2 laps around our buildings walking fast enough to elevate my pulse).

    Situps, small barbells, etc. but not necessarily at work.

  493. dorks who bring their dogs to the office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... are the most arrogant selfish morons I've seen so far.

    leave your pets at home where they belong unless they are the ones actually writing the code and you're just living on their coattails.

    1. Re:dorks who bring their dogs to the office by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      Awww ... you're just jealous. There's a long tradition of coders bringing their dogs to the office.

      It's not just in the hi-tech field either. I remember going into one office to meet w. a VP (daughter of the owner), and she had 2 great danes, one on each side of her desk. They didn't move, just sat there and STARED at you ... waiting ... I guess it kept sales reps from hitting on her.

      Besides, studies show that having a dog sit in the corner during meetings results in fewer "pissing contests" between participants, less argument, and more work getting done. Add to this the benefits of lower blood pressure for the owner, and an additional (on average) 9 years life expectancy (as compared to only 6 more if you're married), and I'd say it's a definite asset.

      It's not like they're running loose bothering anyone ... one sleeps under my desk, the other under the server, or blocking the door (so nobody sticks their nose in to interrupt me, except, of course, when they want to pet the dogs).

      My policy has always been that if I can't bring the pooch, I quit. Such restrictions are an indication that either management has changed for the worse (like 2 dot-com that imploded after I left, one just weeks after the 'no-dogs' policy), or that they don't "get it". So, sure, it might come off as arrogant and selfish to you, but I don't give a shit, 'cause I am arrogant and selfish, at least in this one thing :-)

      So thanks for giving me the chance to express this. I bet if slashdot did a poll, you'd find a lot of coders bring their hounds, and a lot more would like to (even accepting a pay cut in return for the privilege). It's not all about money, dude.

    2. Re:dorks who bring their dogs to the office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has got to be a No-Cool thing. Here in LA I've seen like a handful of people bring their dog to the office. Then again the places I've worked have had very few of the Dan Gilmore/Comic Book Guy type of people.

    3. Re:dorks who bring their dogs to the office by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      Quote:
      This has got to be a No-Cool thing. Here in LA I've seen like a handful of people bring their dog to the office. Then again the places I've worked have had very few of the Dan Gilmore/Comic Book Guy type of people.
      As I've pointed out previously, the benefits of a dog in the office environment include fewer disruptions and more cooperation during meetings (the study looked at the diff. between meetings where there was a dog sitting quietly in the corner, and meetings w/o a dog present). So, what's wrong with a free productivity boost?

      Then there are the people whose dogs are classified as "service dogs". These include not just "conventional" categories like the blind and the deaf, but also people with non-obvious disabilities.

      Here's the law in the US.

      In summary, I don't see how increased productivity and accomodation of peoples' needs is "a No-Cool thing". If you want to continue this discussion, please post using a real user id, and not an ac :-)

  494. Safe water by lorcha · · Score: 1
    Most places in the U.S., you're perfectly fine drinking water from the tap.
    Well, I work in Baltimore, MD, and the tap water tastes like ass here. YMMV.
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    "Avoid employing unlucky people - throw half of the pile of CVs in the bin without reading them." -- David Brent
    1. Re:Safe water by autechre · · Score: 1

      Heh, I'm in Baltimore too. It depends where you live. My friend Jay (of Bastille fame) lived in some bad apartments, and he filtered, boiled, and filtered his water. The water at this place (Colony Hill) and where my parents live (Overlea) is fine.

      The worst water I ever had was when I was canoeing near (IIRC) the C&O canal for a week. Very heavy on the iodine, but it needed to be to clean it up. Who says spring water is good? It sure made lousy French onion soup.

      --
      WMBC freeform/independent online radio.
    2. Re:Safe water by tynman · · Score: 1

      and the tap water tastes like ass here

      And you know this how??!

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      Darned tropical millipede! What's it doing in our apartment?
    3. Re:Safe water by lorcha · · Score: 1
      and the tap water tastes like ass here

      And you know this how??!

      I went over to the drinking fountain, took a drink, and the water tasted like ass.

      Duh.

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      "Avoid employing unlucky people - throw half of the pile of CVs in the bin without reading them." -- David Brent
  495. Re: 10% rule by dyj · · Score: 1

    Running is a great idea. Just make sure you increase your running distance by not more than 10% per week, or you risk injuries and burnout that will set you back for a LONG time.

    Don't be concerned about speed; rather, run at your own comfortable speed. You should never be gasping when running, or you are running too fast. You will naturally run faster as you become more fit.

  496. aaah!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    dogs can get sick or die from chocolate chips you fiend!!!

    1. Re:aaah!! by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      Time to dispell the myths:

      Actually, it would take between 50 and 200 pounds of chocolate chip cookies (depending on the quality) in one sitting to kill either my St. Bernard or my Newfie. It's not the chocolate, it's the trace amounts of theobromide in the refined chocolate. I think the sugar would be fatal long before that.

      On the other hand, chocolate also contains anti-oxidants that help prevent hip deterioraton, which is why my newf, who's going to be 11 in 2 days, doesn't look it.

      The only adverse effect was that it gave him more of a tendancy to ear infections at higher(like a couple of easter bunnies in one shot) quantities.

    2. Re:aaah!! by Des+Herriott · · Score: 1

      A quick Google search brings up several links which disagree on the quantities which become dangerous to dogs:

      E.g. http://www.apogeecomgrp.com/drkevin/chocolate.html

      Granted, it would take a lot to kill a St. Bernard, but 3/4 lb. of milk chocolate was sufficient to kill a 20lb. daschund.

    3. Re:aaah!! by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      It's not like chocolate chip cookies are made 100% out of chocolate. The main ingredient is flour. So, assuming that a 1-pound box of cookies contains 2 ounces of chocolate, we're looking at 8 pounds of cookies per 20 pounds of dog (and a rather not-hardy breed, at that). so a 150-pound dog would require 120 pounds of chocolate chip cookies.

      Factor in the hardiness of the larger dogs in comparison, as well as the tolerance developed with repeated exposure, and there is no concern with sharing a couple pounds of chocolate chip cookies with a St. Bernard or a Newfie.

      But back to your figures - if you fed a 20-pound human infant 3/4 pound of milk chocolate, they'd be dead, too. Scaling it up to a 160-pound adult (3/4 pound * 8), I don't think they'd be able to eat 6 pounds of milk chocolate in one sitting without becoming violently ill, but 6 pounds of chocolate chip cookies would only give them the sugar blahs :-)

  497. Dweebs today, sheesh by trailerparkcassanova · · Score: 1

    First it was tooth whitening. Then, it was "Should I poke the middle-aged boss?". And now staying in shape!!! What the hell's going on here?

    Why, back in my day we were nerds... and liked it, too!!

  498. Put Sucess in Front of Yourself by Uggy · · Score: 1

    I like the comments that have to do with biking to work. I've lived in St. Louis, Boston, San Francisco, Oakland, San Sebastian (Spain), and San Juan (Puerto Rico), and I've commuted on bicycle in all of these cities. The two worst for traffic and crazy drivers: Boston and San Juan. But even so, it's not that bad. If you bicycle, get yourself some bright clothes, big bags that mount the back (panniers), and act like a car. Obey traffic lights, signal turns etc. Cars will respect you more if you don't act like a scared pedestrian. Own the road! Act like you belong there!

    I use a Bruce Gordon rack, and it looks like Robert Beckman's panniers are coming with Bruce's frames. Love them. Been rock solid for almost 8 years now.

    These days, I can't really commute to work, but I get up early and get milk, eggs, bread at a local bakery before work. It's a short hilly ride, but it does the trick. Also, if we feel like a movie, I shoot on over to Blockbuster on the bike instead of the car.

    There ARE things that you can do throughout your day to just get a little extra exercise. The key is to just make sure you put it in front of yourself so that it happens. If you try to go the gym after work, a lot of times you're tired, have to work late, blah blah blah. Chances are you're going to miss a few workouts a week. Then you're going to feel like crap for not going, which will make you not want to go.

    The suggestions that many have made having to do with walking to get lunch at subway, taking the stairs instead of the elevator, etc. are good ones. Just try to find something to get you out of your chair throughout the day.

    Oh, one little trick that I use to kill those after dinner munchies... finish with a shot of coffee. It helps close the palate after a meal, and the caffeine knocks out those late night carb cravings. Works for me, YMMV.

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    Toddlers are the stormtroopers of the Lord of Entropy.
  499. Play sports at work by TheCrack · · Score: 1

    We play road hockey at lunch. You can use the parking lot or the street (we have a rarely used street right next to our work).

    We play twice a week and experience isn't necessary. You can get a stick from Wal-Mart for $10 so it doesn't cost a heck of a lot. We generally have from 8 to 15 players show up to play (from a company of ~60).

    Just remember to keep it friendly. No hard shots, no raising above the knees. You don't even need to keep score.

    We also have a team in the High-Tech Softball League here in town. ~1 game a week after work gives a couple of hours of exercise.

    Also, this is a great way to get to know the rest of the people in the company which makes everyone happy. We have everyone from Directors, Managers, programmers, manufacturing, shipping/receiving and IT playing.

  500. Heating water burns calories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It takes a lot of energy to heat water. If you drink a gallon of 35F water, then pee it out at 98F, you're burning up like an extra 350 calories right there!

  501. Bike before work by beej · · Score: 3, Funny
    If you don't like getting into the office all sweaty--God, I don't--then bike before work. Get up half an hour earlier and hit the local road. Take a new route each day for variety.

    When you get home, hit the showers and you'll be ready to go.

    But how do you convince yourself to get up instead of hitting snooze again?

    1. You barely have to do anything to be ready to go biking. Just pee, get your clothes on, fill your water bottle, check your tires, put on your helmet, et voila. Five minutes prep, tops.
    2. You know you're going to get to feel smug all day long since you've already done your exercising for the day. Even if you feel like crap now, you know you will feel better once you get on and pedal. And you know it will be worth it later.
    3. The alarm goes off. Visualize that you're trying to pry yourself off the surface of Jupiter (smartasses: prove to me Jupiter has no solid surface, then we'll talk.) Now see how much easier it was on Earth?
    4. If none of this works, say to yourself, "Get up, Trinity...Get...up!"

    Seriously, though, it is worth it once you hit the road. Find what gets you out of bed that much earlier, and do it.

    1. Re:Bike before work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The alarm goes off. Visualize that you're trying to pry yourself off the surface of Jupiter

      OK. I'm on the surface of Jupiter. Oh, now I'm dead. Now what?

    2. Re:Bike before work by Johnboi+Waltune · · Score: 1
      0. Leave your alarm clock on the other side of the bedroom, where you can't reach it from your bed. Get an AM/FM alarm you can tune to the local Christian fundamentalist radio station. Turn the volume control all the way up. You'll be sprinting out of bed in the morning to turn that shit off.

      Seriously, that is what I do.

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      "The advanced societies of the future will be driven by competing systems of psychopathology." -JG Ballard
  502. What i am doing by choctotha · · Score: 1

    I decided to avoid the candy machine and cut back on how much I eat/snack. I keep it to about 4 ok sized meals a day and exercise. Cuts the junk (Cookies!!!, Sweet Tea and Soft Drinks) and the exercise gives me more energy. But with all the diets I have been on (i.e. Low Fat, Low Carb, Blood Type...) just changing my diet and taking better care of myself made the difference that I never got from anything else. About 6 months ago I was almost 300 even being 6'4" it really started to show. Now I am down to around 240. So just find what works for you.

  503. yoga by the-build-chicken · · Score: 1

    performed in your lunch break. It requires no equipment, works all the stabilizers that atrophy from sitting at a computer all day and their are plenty of websites with free routines and details on the positions. You look like a wanker...but you'll notice a massive change.

  504. exercise by iii_rjm · · Score: 2, Funny

    I worked out a 1 mile route across three floors. Essentialy doing two laps per floor thru the cube farm. By not doing the same floor twice in a row I doubled the stair walking. Just carry a note pad with you and no one even sees you, much less stare. One mile walk should take between 15 and twenty minutes at a solid pace. A good break from the keyboard

  505. I did it, here's how. by whistlingtony · · Score: 1

    Ok, I recently did the same thing. Well, sort of recently, I started about 7 months ago. I was 210 pounds, and getting chubby. I made a lifestyle change, NOT A DIET, and i've stuck with it for 7 months now. I am now 166, and lean as hell. read up on it, but basically, about 3500 calories beyond what you need to live converts to 1 pound of fat. so, cut 500 calories a day and you'll drop 1 pound a week. Pay no attention to those fad diets promising 20 pounds in 20 days. The only way to do that is organ donation. 500 calories a day is not really that hard. Stop drinking soda, drink LOTS of water instead. I'm sorry, but the beer might have to go as well. If you want to keep it, make a sacrifice somewhere else. Don't eat out, restaraunt food is a killer. NO FAST FOOD. become a calorie counting machine, but remember to treat yourself occasionally. Fudge it, but don't Fudge yourself. Also, it helps to eat a lot of protein, as protein fills you up more than vege's. Balance is the key. Also, eat smaller meals, but more of them. I eat 8 meals a day, of 300 calories each. Basically, i snack all day. Lots of fruits, vege's, and eggs/chicken/steak. I'd suggest reading the how calories work and how dieting works on www.howstuffworks.com. It's the best no nonsense resource i've found. Then hit up Menshealth.com and read up on the Belly-Off program of theirs. Now, diet alone won't do it. Bicycle to work, or jog if you can. A starter bike should only run you about $300-$400, unless you go the Kmart route (don't). Look for a hybrid or street bike over a mountain bike, but it's up to you really. Try to get one used, save some dough. I hope you have access to showering facilities. I'm spoiled, we have a gym at work. If not, bring a towel and some wipes you poor bastard. Get a backpack for clothes. and stuff some homemade food in there while you're at it. If possible, lift weights. replace fat with muscle. Low reps, hight weight, but TAKE IT EASY to being with. Don't hurt yourself. Get a routine and STICK to it. Keep track of your progress. If you just go in and dink around, you'll never get anywhere. More muscle equals more calories being burned while you're just standing around. Plus it will give you an ego booster. Don't weigh yourself once a day. While trying to lose a pound a week, it's pointless and frustrating. Only weigh yourself once a week at the most, if that. Throw out your scale!!! Won't matter anyway if you're lifting. While you're at it, disconnect your cable TV too. go outside, work in the lawn. Play with your kids. go for a jog. CLEAN YOUR HOUSE. become a more active person. I haven't seen TV in 7 months. Don't even miss it now. Ok, maybe the history channel. Now for the bad news. It's SLOW. you have to keep at it at least 2 months, once you get past that, you'll notice results. It will be easier and easier to do, and soon, you won't believe the Crap you stuffed in your mouth before. You'll have more energy, be happier, you'll have more self respect. And you get to buy new pants! Good luck. You'll never regret it.

  506. Work sucks for staying in shape. by piznut · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When Im at work, I work on the things that I get paid for. To keep in shape, I ride a bike to work, 3 miles each way, every day.

    On days when the weather is bad, I drive to work and then just hit the gym after work...or skip a day if Im not feeling it.

    The kind of exercise that keeps you in shape requires real sweating. I don't know about you, but who wants to be all sweaty and stinky at work?

    In the big picture it is very important for me to do things outside the office and away from the computer...it keeps me sane. I fight like hell to keep my work life from creeping into the other parts of my life.

  507. Power Your Computer by Exercise Bike by Flwyd · · Score: 1

    There's an organization working on stationary bike-powered computers with Internet access for rural areas without electricity. I see no reason the same concept can't be used to save power costs and keep in shape on this side of the pond.

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    Ceci n'est pas une signature.
  508. Losing weight. by rew · · Score: 1

    Simple: Don't eat too much.

    What works for me:
    - Have a normal breakfast 3-4 days a week. Don't have breakfast the other days.
    - Occasionally have lunch. Eat 1 - 3 apples otherwise.
    - Drink lots of water.
    - Eat normal dinners (those tend to be the social activities where you cannot/should not put yourself out of the group).

    Roger.

  509. Well.. by bmantz65 · · Score: 1

    You could always fool around with the intern ;)

  510. The DDR Method by leishen · · Score: 0

    Are you even remotely coordinated? I had problems getting motivated to exercise. Then, I got a PS2 and bought Dance Dance Revolution. It's a blast and I lost 20 pounds very easily because I had so much fun playing it. It puts the fun into exercise! Mad props to the guy who came up with this idea!

  511. For those of us who DONT want to join X by greymond · · Score: 1

    Ok I see a lot of posts about "eating right" "lose the beer" "join a gym" "join this activity" - BAH on all of them.

    From the post i'm guessing your NOT trying to become an Arnold Terminator type of geek. You just don't want to be pudgy and I can totally relate. I currently have 2 job - one is a mon-fri 8-5pm job then I work my second from 5:30pm-9pm. This leave very little time for doing things like "joining a gym" unless your willing to pay to only go twice a week - not likely.

    What I do is something simple that takes only a few minutes everyday. Before I go to sleep I do the following:

    30 Crunches
    30 Leg lifts
    30 Pushups

    Thats it. I am normally skinny and drink a lot of alcohol and have a fast metabolism so the amount of exercise you may have to do is dependant on your body type, but for me this works. It may seem like a rediculously small amount, but I am ONLY trying to stay normal - I am NOT trying to be a model or a hulking mass of muscle - I just want to be thin and look alright when I am at the beach.

    Good luck.

  512. Excellent fitness info... by Snot+Locker · · Score: 1

    This info was recommended by a friend several months ago: http://www.hussman.org/fitness/ Overall, good info, well researched. I've dropped from 310 to 245 in about 6 mo w/ this info, a new diet (higher protien than before), and regular exercise. Another 50 lbs and I think I'll be a normal human once again :-)

  513. testimonial by Red+Warrior · · Score: 1

    I used the hacker's diet, and droped 28 pounds in just a little over 3 months (without doing the "optional" exercise part).
    In the following (almost) year, just by eating kinda sensibly, and stepping on the scale every morning, I have stayed +/- 2 pounds.
    Kinda annoying - You ARE hungry when you are losing weight - but it works - just like...math.

    Trying to tell myself to knock off the remaining 25 lbs...

    --
    "If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone."
    ~Epictetus
  514. I've Been Good .... Really by gyges · · Score: 1

    I skipped breakfast and only had a Venti Latte (apx 400 calories with 3 sugars). That's good, right?

    I had a McD Double Quarter Pounder but I did not eat the fries (760 calories). I got a soda but did not get a re-fill (apx 250 calories). I was good.

    When I got home and only had one beer (Heineken 166 calories) and a home made Tuna Melt (apx 450 calories). I was really good.

    I don't see how I can be gaining weight if I skipped breakfast!?!

    Based on an actual conversation with a similarly deluded co-worker.

  515. Cars keep you in shape, too! by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Forget the girlfriend, just send a picture of the bike. I can just take the seat off and kill two birds with one stone.

    Forget the bike!

    Buy a real musclecar. Not some silly Honda with a bunch of stickers and a 3" exhaust tip on the 1" diameter manifold-back pipe, but something old and with a V8 driving the rear wheels. And restore it for the fun and love of the machine.

    *Nothing* keeps you in shape better than lying on the floor of your garage trying to hold a transmission above your head with one hand while you fumble the bolts in place with the other hand. The threat of having a transmission fall on your head makes you discover strength you never knew that you had.

    Carrying an engine block into your house to keep it from flash-rusting over the winter, or dragging a pair of cast iron cylinder heads *and* a toolbox from one end of a self-service junkyard to the other, all serve to keep you in excellent shape.

    Never mind the feeling down below when you start that motor up for the first time, freshly rebuilt with 12:1 compression, a lopey camshaft and solid motor mounts... forget the bike! :)

    Also, I drink like an Irishman, I eat like a pig, and I walk a lot because I like it.

    Net effect? 6'4", 34" waist, 200lbs even, toned all over, and I can lift and hold a LaserJet 4si above my head. Also, mechanics coveralls and a welding helmet make a good Halloween costume when you're too lazy to go shopping.

    Dating isn't a problem. (But make a habit of holding the drink in the left hand so that the right isn't cold and clammy when you shake hands with potential mates...)

    Are you fat? If you want to fix the situation, the solution is really easy, but often overlooked. Stop eating so much, and/or get more exercise. That's it, that's all.

    --
    Fire and Meat. Yummy.
    1. Re:Cars keep you in shape, too! by more+fool+you · · Score: 1

      how do you put your head back in shape after the transmission has fallen on it?

    2. Re:Cars keep you in shape, too! by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the joys of removing the heads from you BBC while leaning across the 4' span of fenders on a '70 Impala. Then there's the fun of trying to loosen 1 1/4" bolts on the front suspension while pulling with your arms and pushing with your legs, hoping the bolt will break free before you back does.

      When it comes to beer, try making your own. Tossing around 5 gallon batchs of beer gives you a good workout. Just make sure you make 5 gallons a week to get a regular workout. The easiest part is the consumption. Speaking of which, my latest beer (Erik Bloodaxe Strong Red Ale) should be ready. Ta.

      --
      I drank what? -- Socrates
    3. Re:Cars keep you in shape, too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The true sign of someone unsure of his sexuality. Are you trying to be buff, or just trolling for mates?

    4. Re:Cars keep you in shape, too! by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the joys of removing the heads from you BBC while leaning across the 4' span of fenders on a '70 Impala.

      Ah, yes. My '76 Ram is good for that. :)

      Then there's the fun of trying to loosen 1 1/4" bolts on the front suspension while pulling with your arms and pushing with your legs, hoping the bolt will break free before you back does.

      Suspension is a whole different kind of hell; it's how you get a body like a wrestler. Here, we have Winter. Note the capital W. That means rust - corroded front suspension parts are *always* fun to get off. I refuse to give in to oxy-acetylene and try to keep the air hammer on the pickle fork as a last resort... There's nothing that freaks out the neighbors more than going to town on your upper balljoints with a 20lb sledgehammer.

      Of course, some of it is less satisfying... the keyhole hacksaw in painfully tiny 1" strokes, trying to take out a hardened steel control arm bolt which is forever bound to the sleeves in your control arm bushings.

      When it comes to beer, try making your own. Tossing around 5 gallon batchs of beer gives you a good workout. Just make sure you make 5 gallons a week to get a regular workout. The easiest part is the consumption. Speaking of which, my latest beer (Erik Bloodaxe Strong Red Ale) should be ready.

      Sounds good!

      I like to buy, and bring Canadian beer with me when I'm visiting American friends. "Bring us some Canadian beer! I know you guys must have something better than the Labatt stuff!"

      Okay... So, pulling up to the border in my old Ram. Customs guy asks me if I have anything to declare.

      "Yeah, I've got a case of beer for the party I'm going to."

      "Okay... can I see it?"

      "Sure!" Digging it out from the spare tire carrier under the truck, a 24 with a distinctive case for the customs guy to doubtfully consider: Satan looking down on a canoe flying over a lake of fire.

      Maudite. Literally translated from Francais Canadien, the name of the beer is Damned.

      Then there's La Fin du Monde. A gentle beer with a delicate 9% precious ethanol, its name is French for The End Of The World.

      I gave him a bottle of Maudite. He was a nice guy; I hope he enjoyed it at the end of his shift.

      --
      Fire and Meat. Yummy.
    5. Re:Cars keep you in shape, too! by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the tips on beer. There's a beer place here (Clearwater, Fl, across from the original Hooters) that'll order in just about anything that can meet Florida's really stupid bottle laws. Florida only allows beer to be sold in about 5 different size bottles (8oz, 12oz, 16oz, 24oz, and 32oz). For some good Belgium stuff, I have to drive up to Atlanta. Go figure.

      --
      I drank what? -- Socrates
    6. Re:Cars keep you in shape, too! by budgenator · · Score: 1

      just put your thunb in your mouth and blow, like in the cartoons!

      --
      Apocalypse Cancelled, Sorry, No Ticket Refunds
    7. Re:Cars keep you in shape, too! by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 1

      The true sign of someone unsure of his sexuality.

      Heh. I'm quite sure of my sexuality, thank you very much.

      Are you trying to be buff, or just trolling for mates?

      Well, probably the latter. I'm single, and it's been almost two weeks since I last had sex.

      --
      Fire and Meat. Yummy.
    8. Re:Cars keep you in shape, too! by whimmel · · Score: 2, Informative

      The law was repealed in 2001 and World of Beer now can get just about anything, if he doesn't have it already :-)

      Too bad I don't like beer.

      --
      Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?
    9. Re:Cars keep you in shape, too! by Marasmus · · Score: 1

      Other than the Gulf to Bay World of Beer (which used to be my favorite store in the world), there's also a lot of fun to be had at the Dunedin brewery (it's on Douglas Ave just south of Main St). There's a gas station (I think a chevron) at the corner of Main St and Alt. 19 that has 101 varieties of beer... and Leuken's liquor store at Patricia and Main St. has a healthy selection at close to half the price that World of Beer charges for their brews!

      Now I just need to find a place that'll ship me Molson XXX at a decent price and I'll be in heaven :)

      --
      .... um, i lost you after "0110100001101001".
    10. Re:Cars keep you in shape, too! by NevermindPhreak · · Score: 1

      looking for mates on slashdot? wow, thats a prime location. i, myself, was going to go to a local LAN counter-strike tournament to pick up chicks. im sure well both soon have more than we know what to do with.

    11. Re:Cars keep you in shape, too! by kableh · · Score: 1

      ABC in Florida carries the line of beers BBM mentioned. Maudite is killer, killer stuff!

      Of course, there is a German restaurant down the road from me that has 8 delicious beers on tap =) Maybe I need to start walking down there instead!

    12. Re:Cars keep you in shape, too! by d-ude · · Score: 1

      Yeah that Molson XXX is good stuff. Brought some back from the duty-free store on my last trip to Niagara Falls. Along with some Labatt Blue, some Bud Light that was brewed by Labatt (it was neat, otherwise no good reason to buy it..was better than the anhueser-busch version though), some Maximum Ice by Labatt (also decent) and like 5 bottles of wine. The one thing I wish I got more of was some ice wine made by Pillitteri, that stuff is the shit.

    13. Re:Cars keep you in shape, too! by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 1

      looking for mates on slashdot? wow, thats a prime location. i, myself, was going to go to a local LAN counter-strike tournament to pick up chicks. im sure well both soon have more than we know what to do with.

      Heh. I've gotten lucky off Slashdot before. Dating - and, in fact, just getting laid - is simply a numbers game.

      --
      Fire and Meat. Yummy.
  516. Adventure racing! by showmeshowyoukikoman · · Score: 1
    Kikoman suggests you try participating in some adventure races! Kikoman enjoys both the smaller/shorter races (REI 12 hour, BalanceBar 24 hour, Cal-Eco 30 hours..) and the longer ones (eco-challenge qualifiers, primal quest, 7-10 day races.)

    You will find yourself in front of your monitor much less frequently, as a great deal of training will be required. You will also not have time to drink beer, which will help. Also, when you're racing, you won't have any beer anywhere near by. In fact you'll mostly be eating your food from a water bottle, in the form of powdered food drinks like "sustained energy". You sure won't gain weight eating that stuff while on the run! Also, on the boating sections they are often at the ocean, where you might get sea-sick. Nothing helps you lose weight like a good vomit session!!

    Kikoman says get into ultra-endurance sports!

  517. Exercise by Greg+Arney · · Score: 1

    Hey, as we are all geeks we can speak frankly. I'm 16 and I way ~225lbs. Until recently I didn't care. I went on a really tough version of the Atkins diet that I invented (I've never fully agreed with the Atkins Nutritional Approach, just aspects of it) and I got down to 200. But then I went back up to 225 when I stopped. Now I've discovered a little thing called exercise. In the evenings I started putting on a pair of running shoes, shorts and a t-shirt, waiting for it to get dark, stretching, and then jogging slowly for a set distance. The distance was 1.25 miles, and at first I couldn't even make it half way without walking. One day I got really emotional about it ("if only she could see me now..", don't ask), and I made it the whole way. After that I added time on and was running 2.5 miles. Long story short, I can now run 5 miles easily. I run 3 times a week minimum, 7 times a week maximum. I am trying to get my running to every day, but certain problems interfere, such as sore legs and apathy. Going from being able to run down a street to being able to run five miles is an excellent feeling, and I've lost some weight. If I continue to run I know I will lose weight. One 5 mile run is 800 calories burned! I guess my point is alot of people in our elevated, rich society see dieting as a way of temporarily eating less to get down to a certain weight, instead of what it should be- a commitment to good health for life. And since only 1/6th of Americans exercise regularly, it is still a very geeky thing to do because you will still be in the minority, only you'll be in the sexually attractive minority. If aerobic exercise doesn't suit you, I highly recommend you take up martial arts. You will learn to adjust your attitude, discipline yourself, defend yourself with lethal force and according to my charts you'll burn 1,100 calories an hour. -Greg Arney

  518. Atkins & Gout (was Re:Get up and walk.) by RobbieW · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm 32 and the same thing happened to me... I experienced my first gout attack when I was 26. I seriously considered cutting off my own leg. It was a serious ankle attack... if you've had one you know what I mean... If you haven't you can't understand. Most intense pain I've ever experienced. You could have drilled through my hand with a spade bit and I wouldn't have noticed. A woman I know who has had several children and also has gout (rare in females...) has told me that a bad gout ankle attack was 10 times worse than having her first child. I'll never know, but I believe her.

    After several attacks you get to know when an attack is coming and do things to stave them off. LARGE quantities of water with cherry juice concentrate added works pretty well for me... most of the time. I haven't had to go on any medicinal therapy until now.

    Anyways, I knew Atkins was a gout attack waiting to happen, but I did the research on it. I got about 30 pounds off using Atkins (easiest weight loss ever... never hungry!) but then gradually stopped drinking huge quantities of water to keep the ketones (and uric acid) flushed out through the kidneys... GOUT ATTACK!


    After a couple of hours of screaming I made it to the doctor.

    I'm on cochicine therapy now and in a couple weeks I'll start on allopurinal to lower my serum Uric levels. One month later I should be able to go back on a slightly modified Atkins diet.

    1: Drink TONS of water
    2: More fish and chicken than beef and pork
    3: Lots of water
    4: LOTs more water
    5: No diet soda (well maybe a little... I'm an addict!)

    1. Re:Atkins & Gout (was Re:Get up and walk.) by crazyphilman · · Score: 1

      My pain was in the large joint of my big toe, and it brought me nearly to tears at one point (I'm an ex Marine, and believe me, I don't cry easy). I've been taking these huge anti-inflammatory pills, and drinking a lot of water and such.

      I'm going vegetarian, though -- I ain't takin' any chances!!! No more purines for me, man... I've switched from Atkins to a restricted version of the Pritikin diet. So far, so good -- the weight is staying off. But, Jeez, do I miss meat. ;)

      My father said a great folk cure is cranberry juice. It seems to be working. And, I heard from someone else that if you think you're going to get an attack, eat a half pound of cherries, and it'll help -- but my attack caught me by surprise, so I didn't get to test it. :(

      Gout, man, what a drag. I hope it goes away soon. It's been almost two weeks! Ow ow ow ow ow...

      Thanks for the info!

      Phil

      --
      Farewell! It's been a fine buncha years!
    2. Re:Atkins & Gout (was Re:Get up and walk.) by Steeltoe · · Score: 1

      I'm also vegetarian, thanks to yoga and meditation I don't miss meat. Meat and fish products disturb meditation, so you actually feel the difference. First I noticed beer whacked me off (bigtime and for several days), then meat and fish. It helps staying on diet. But I was never really interested in a "diet" and don't look at it that way. It's a great way to live healthily.

      I would heartily recommend yoga and meditation, for diet I would recommend Auyrveda. There are plenty of books on Auyrveda if you're interested. They've lived vegetarian for thousands of years in India. Experience really counts!!

    3. Re:Atkins & Gout (was Re:Get up and walk.) by crazyphilman · · Score: 1

      Thanks! I'll check into it. Interesting...

      --
      Farewell! It's been a fine buncha years!
  519. Learn to enjoy good habits by k2r · · Score: 1

    Don't make the mistake to do things just to stay in shape.

    Some examples:
    You don't need a negative-list but a positive-list.
    Enjoy fresh fruit and vegetable instead of snacks. Try new stuff, fruits you didn't know, vegetable you never ate raw before etc. Carrots make a pretty good snack, bananas are great, too. Figure out, what you might like, there's so much you can eat that hasn't been processed by Kraft before.

    Learn cooking and prepare your meals yourself. The deep-freezer at home and the microwave in the office are your friends. Vary and be creative. Be brave and try vegetarian meals, Indian dishes, whatever. Care about the quality of your food and be interested into the ingredients. Don't stick to recipes, cooking is fun and can be like meditation.

    Enjoy walking. Try to walk whereever possible. Use public transport systems. Try to walk different ways. It's fun spending some time on getting from A to B. Maybe take your digital camera with you to take pictures of whatever you like.

    Avoid escalators. Try to avoid elevators if the building is not too high.
    Again: Give yourself time to get from the basement to the buildings top, have a look out of the windows on the way there or whatever.

    Maybe, if you really started enjoying having a body with parts that you can move not only to get you another beer of the refrigerator, try doing some sports, maybe swimming with some friends, maybe coworkers in the morning before work. It just shouldn't feel like "sport".

    Actually, I don't think that you can be successful if you only do things just to stay in shape. But if you figure out what's fun for you, you will do just the things you like and still stay in shape.

    Don't get religious about food and sports, this would work for some months but you'll be back to square one in no time.

    k2r
    (Although I'm sitting and standing in front of a computer for about 10 hours per day, I'm still in a pretty good shape, prepare most of my meals myself and do kickboxing and swimming because I enjoy it.)

  520. The Atkins Shit by nick_davison · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't forget "The Atkins Shit."

    A lot of people who try the Atkins diet report all that high protein meat (bacon dipped in mayonaise, mmm, that diet sounds appetising) rotting away in their intestine leads to "The Atkins Shit" about ten days to two weeks in.

    As your body converts to processing all that fun stuff that digests differently, you too can enjoy catastrophic crapping and constant evil gasses eeking out of your ass. This ensures that, thin and gorgeous as you may now be, women will still want to be nowhere near you.

    1. Re:The Atkins Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually the worst are the vegetarians. All those beans that simply cannot be properly digested, sprouts, etc. lead to foul-smelling gas you would not believe. I had to live with some and believe me, it is evil. More proof that you need a balanced diet, people.

    2. Re:The Atkins Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Take liberal fiber supplements and supplement with moderate amounts of magnesium and "Atkins shits" becomes less of a problem.

      Also for the record, when I am deep in ketosis, I rarely fart at all unless I eat one of those soy-based low-carb bars (hat have no business being sold anyway.

    3. Re:The Atkins Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, after a few weeks on Atkins, I STOPPED farting all the time. Now I only get the farts when I'm having too much carbs... or too many of the "treats" with sugar alcohols (sucralose, etc.). I've been on it almost a year now and my ass functions just fine.
      Your mileage may vary.

    4. Re:The Atkins Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i think that link was the funniest shit i've seen on the internet in ages.

    5. Re:The Atkins Shit by crazyphilman · · Score: 1

      Oh, man, ain't it the truth. Since my gout attack, I've gone back to vegetarian, and just the other day, I took my first normal shit in a month.

      Wanna hear something funny? To help with my gout, I've got to take these non-steroidal anti-inflammatory horse pills, right? Well, the pill bottle says, "may cause intestinal distress" or words to that effect. I was like, "yeah, yeah, whatever" and I took the pill before my morning meeting (software development).

      Well, a few minutes into the meeting, and I'm farting like a Sabre jet. Quiet, sinister dog farts, mind you, but powerful enough to almost lift my ass off the chair. So, I'm thinking, "Ok, I'm not making any noise, no one will notice." But the cloud of death was spreading outwards.

      The next thing I know, this poor Indian guy to my right is curling up in his chair with a horrified expression on his face, trying to get himself as far from me as possible without letting on. I don't think the others noticed -- they were a little further away. But, boy, did this poor guy freak out. He was practically sitting on the armrest! Funny...

      --
      Farewell! It's been a fine buncha years!
  521. Forget the equipment by LittleLebowskiUrbanA · · Score: 1

    and swim Just swim a half hour everyday for a total body workout. Just find a gym w/ a pool nearby. I would recommend freestyle/front crawl. A 1000 metes a day is a good goal to work towards.

  522. Get out of the Home/Office by chickenwing · · Score: 1

    I find that I have been more successful at getting in shape when I made the commitment to go somewhere to work out, rather than trying to do it at home. If I go out, then I am focused on doing what I have to do. At home, or the office, you will find that your workout time will gradually be dominated by the phone, comptuer, etc... and you will eventually quit.

    A gym membership can be a good investment if you are serious about this. Most people at the gym are regular people, like yourself. Don't sign up for any type of long term agreement, at first. I tried a 90 days for $90 deal at 24hr fitness that I found on the Internet at first, and then got a real memership when I saw that it worked out for me. It was good not to have to deal with any salesmen.

    Make a commitment, say three days for 30-60 minutes, to some physical activity. The gym, running, basketball, etc... Its good not to make unreasonable plans initially, even though you might be gung-ho, later, if you get into it, increase your commitment.

    Think of working out as a recreational activity, not as a chore you must do. It can be a good time for personal reflection, or to hang out with your friends.

    Physical activity really can reduce stress and improve your outlook. It might seem like there is not enough time in a day for all of this, but working out can really improve the quality of your life.

    The most importaint points are to make reasonable goals, but be compulsive enough to not slack off.

  523. How to Exercise in Your Cubical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All,

    As an exercise junky for a long long time... there are a couple simple things you can do to raise your metabolism and get a quick workout in. Do the following:

    1. Give up candy bars/Soda/chips/etc... Your mom said its bad for you ... she's right
    2. Drink water instead of coffee/soda... no calories, plus your mom said its good for you and she's right
    3. Walk or take the stairs when ever possible
    (Burns calories, and avoids the lazy uggly american stereo type)

    The Work Out:
    1. Try to jog/bike/swim 3*'s/ week for 30 minutes... get your heart rate up... all that good stuff (and no Sex does not count as a work out unless you take her jogging with you then its a good bonus ;)
    2. Once per hour, do 1 minute of exercise. Try things like Calf Raises, Situps, Pushups, Chinups, Wall Squats, Jumping Jacks, Burp-ups, etc... Basically you'll just about want to sweat and you stop. Its not too disruptive... but it'll fire up your metabolism.

    There now you'll be feastively plump... you could be average if you watched your diet more and ate Healthy food... or ignore my advise and become a beach ball....

    Now excuse me while I go out an Man-whore some more with my massive Biceps (tm).

    *Just remember you too can be a certified Man-Whore... send your $19.95 to

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  524. Biking while working by Piranhaa · · Score: 0

    A while back on TLC or what not they were showing off these new prototypes of certain exercise machines... One of them was actually a type of bike where you plug your monitor into. You pedel to keep your monitor running, but when you stop, you instantly loose power to the monitor. Just a suggestion... Enjoy :)

  525. A few commands to generate exercise by techgeek10101 · · Score: 0


    cat beer | /office/hotties
    touch /office/hotties
    unzip /office/hotties
    finger /office/hotties
    make clean ## if necessary
    mount /office/hotties /mnt/your_name_here
    umount /office/hotties
    Voila...exercise...
    WHAT? NO HOTTIES?
    You need more beer...

  526. So how does one gain weight? by catch23 · · Score: 2, Informative

    What if you're one of those people who has always been skinny as crap even though you sit in front of the computer hacking for 10 hours a day? How can we GAIN weight? I've tried everything from the disgusting weight gainers to drinking soda as my new form of liquid, but my weight isn't changing...

    I mean I've heard that beer could help, but being a lightweight, it doesn't take many beers to put me out...

    1. Re:So how does one gain weight? by sharkey · · Score: 1
      I mean I've heard that beer could help, but being a lightweight, it doesn't take many beers to put me out...

      Go for a non-alcoholic beer. It's not the alcohol that packs on the gut, but the carbs.

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      --
      "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
    2. Re:So how does one gain weight? by xtrucial · · Score: 1

      Lift weights. May not make you much "bigger", but what muscle is there will be super hard/strong/toned. (And don't forget to stretch!)

    3. Re:So how does one gain weight? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Give it a few years. When I was 20, I weighed 130 pounds at 6'1" and I ate more than any 3 normal people. Now I'm 42, weigh 200 pounds, and eat a tiny fraction of what I used to. :(

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      Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
  527. Here's what's worked for me by JCHiker · · Score: 1

    As others have mentioned, the basic rule of weight loss is simply to expend more energy than you take in (eat less, exercise more). Unfortunately, that is often easier said than done. After gaining 50 lbs at a desk job, I finally started getting the eat less / exercise more bit to work and have lost 15 lbs in a month and a half. Here's the things I follow, and they might work for you, too:

    • This is a lifestyle change, not a diet - That's one of the most important things to remember. Eating better (and less) along with physical exercise should represent a permanent lifestyle change. Realize up front that your doing this for the long haul.
    • Keeps stats - Seriously. Monitor your weight from week to week (daily weight checks might be discouraging as your weight can fluctuate in a seemingly drastic manner throughout the week). Also monitor your food intake. Set a healthy level of caloric intake that promotes weight loss (such as around 1700-1800 calories/day for most men), and watch the calories. There are some fantastic programs out there for Pocket PCs and Palm handhelds that have great food databases for tracking intake. Best of all, if your not sure whether you should eat something or not, plug in into your program and see how it pans out with your daily caloric intake. If you haven't had much to eat during the day, you might find that you actually can have a couple slices of pizza and a beer, and still be fine. But, without measurement, you'll only be guessing.
    • Ditch sugared sodas *and* fruit juice - We all know sugared sodas are nasty for you, but the level of sugar and calories fruit juice (yes, even the all natural stuff) is insanely high. Diet soda and sugarfree drink mixes (like Crystal Light), will be better in the long run. Better yet, drink water.
    • Learn to love black coffee - If you don't doctor up your coffee with cream and sugar, it's surprisingly low in calories. Need something cold? Well, skip the Frappucino (it's like drinking cheesecake), and go for an iced Americano instead. Cold, highly-caffinated, and only 15 calories in a 16oz. size. Bear in mind, though, that if you're not a black coffee / espresso drinker, you'll need taste buds of steel. Also, coffee is a diuretic (sp?) meaning you'll have to pee more often. Be sure to drink more water to replace the lost fluids.
    • Set an easy goal - Don't stress over something like I must lose X pounds in Y months. Keep it simple. Know where you want to be eventually, but don't set an actual time period. Instead, focus on simply weighing less each week. If you lose half a pound over a week, great. If you lose three, even better. You'll eventually get to your target weight, but don't worry if it takes a long time. The important thing is that you make progress (even if only a little) from week-to-week.
    • Make beer a special treat - I love beer. I love great imported and microbrewed beers. I hate light beers, and would rather do without than drink that swill. Unfortunately, alcoholic drinks can sabotoge weight management. So, instead of giving up great beer, I just have it for special occasions, and then only when dining out. This means that I have a beer (just ONE) every month or so. I've saved money, weight, and now have discriminating taste (read: I'm a beer snob).
    • Don't skip meals - If you don't eat, your body goes into starvation mode, and will try to save some of that energy that come in later in the day (translation, you're more likely to store fat). Be sure to have some kind breakfast to kick off your metabolism for the day.
    • If you're expecting a big meal later in the day, adjust your intake earlier - In other words, eat even less (fewer calories) for breakfast
  528. Instead of walking.... by dahjelle · · Score: 1

    I'd try skipping around the office. You know, like the neighbor kids did once upon a time. You can even flap your arms like wings and get additional excercise. It is a little high impact (especially when you run into your co-workers), but you move faster, get excercise, and can see (in brief split-second bursts) over the cubicle walls around you.

    Stairs usually pose a problem. But not more than once.

  529. Fit At Work by Pu'be · · Score: 1

    http://www.fitatwork.com/ A little simple 3d App. And timer that you set to remind you every hour or two. It shows you with a 3d model some simple exercise, that will work muscles some without breaking in to a heavy sweat. But more importantly it raises your metabolism, and keeps it up all day, and gives your brain a brake, and a boost of refreshing chemicals (not Gatorade) from the physical activity. It is a Windows only app., But it is very easy to get it to run under Linux, as it is such a simple program. Mod this up, as it is actual useful information, not one of the many 'jerk off' ideas. Which, I will also note that ejaculating burns around 2.5 calories.....happy exercising

  530. Join a freakin gym! by icanoop · · Score: 1

    The easiest and most rewarding way is to join a gym and lift weights 3 or 4 times a week. Do some cardio and some heavy weight lifting and and you will actually begin to look healthy. Then eat a nice balanaced diet like the kind doctors recommend. Don't ever say the word Atkins, but also don't eat huge amounts of bread like foods. Don't give that lame argument that you don't want to look like a body builder. YOU WON'T unless you train like one. If you are this lazy to begin with your won't train like one. The simple high intensity excersise will make you look good. Don't over-do the cardio either. Marathon runners are not especially attractive, and besides lifting heavier weights is easier than running extreme distances but gives better results.

  531. Cannabis Diet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Marijuana helped me lose 10 pounds. It's easy... just smoke weed every time you feel like eating. After awhile, you don't get the munchies anymore. Exercise becomes fun, too. Nothing beats a stoned bike ride!

  532. Doesn't work, but hey! by rpeh · · Score: 1

    I keep fit by smoking as many cigarettes as possible as fast as possible. It doesn't keep you slim, but if you smoke 'em *really* fast, you get these pretty sparkling lights that really take your mind off being fat.

  533. Being serious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Working 10 hours per day is not a good thing.
    You will probably get as much work done in 8
    hours.
    This will save you 10 hours per week. Take
    6 of those to do sports. 3 times a week, 2 hours
    each time, including transports. Do something you enjoy. Trekking, paddling, cycling, tennis, golf, workout, climbing. Anything goes as long as it exercises your muscles without causing harm and as long as you enjoy it. Bringing a friend can help you keep at it.
    After about 3-4 weeks you will have enough energy at work to do in 7 hours what previously took 10. You will find that you spend your leisure time better as well.
    Getting fit saves a lot of time in the long run, but requires an initial extra investment. Also, it doesn't help much without constant upkeep.

    Look for opportunities to move your body. Ride a bike to workif you can. Walk to the store. Take a trip around the building when idling before a meeting. Excersise your face muscles by smiling and laughing. Go dancing, it is great excercise.

  534. Assuming you mean excercising in the office by pkinetics · · Score: 2, Informative
    1. Workout early in the morning, even if it is just 15 miutes.
    2. Get a healthy breakfast in the morning.
    3. Cut down on the caffeine.
    4. Smaller lunch.
    5. Take walking breaks instead of smoking breaks. Ask a coworker to join you too.
    6. Always use the stairs.
    7. Healthy snacks instead of vending machine snacks.

    It requires a whole change in attitude. Start bit by bit.

    Losing weight is a different issue. You will need to add an excercise program to the whole thing. Take a sporting class at the college. Because you're paying for it, you'll go. I take a hockey class at the college, and joined a hockey team. This way, I'd get the exercise twice a week.

    After hockey games, we tend to drink in the locker room. So I still get my beer.

    Its a matter of what you are willing to commit yourself to do.

  535. The Hacker's Diet by Anitra · · Score: 1

    "The Hacker's Diet: How to lose weight and hair through stress and poor nutrition."

    No, really. It's a book by John Walker, freely available on the web. He explains in simple language (and diagrams) what most of us have known all along: eat less, exercise a little, and STICK TO IT!

    Basically, you should figure out how many calories you need to maintain your weight, and take off about 500/day to lose 1-2 pounds a week. Add in some moderate (15 minutes) exercise every day, and you're on your way to becoming thin and svelte (well, sorta). The book provides tools (either paper & pencil, or computerized) that help you track your progress, plan your meals, and illustrate some of the concepts presented in the book.

    I started this diet 3 weeks ago, and I thought it was going to be really hard - but most of my cravings I've been able to deal with, by having, say, a small scoop of ice cream, which fits into my caloric allowance for the day. I can see myself having this as a lifestyle, and I do feel healthier.

    --

    Have you read the Moderation Guidelines Addendum?
    1. Re:The Hacker's Diet by Xeger · · Score: 1

      I started the Hacker's Diet in June of 1999. At that time I weighed 290 lbs. For you metric junkies out there, that's 130kg.

      During the first summer I followed a strict regimen of 1,500 calories per day, trying to avoid empty calories (sugars, simple carbohydrates) and eating plenty of vegetables. I lost 40lbs within the first three months. Cutting candy and bread almost completely from my diet and switching to diet soda pop helped me to meet my stringent goal of 1,500 daily calories.

      Encouraged by my success, I stuck to the Hacker's Diet for the next 15 months, although I relaxed my rules a bit and allowed myself 2,000 calories per day. During that time, I lost a further 70lbs.

      As of January 2001 I weighed 180lbs (81kg), and I have maintained that weight ever since. I no longer count calories on a daily basis; rather, I eat sensible amounts of reasonably healthy foods, I allow myself a treat every few days, and I weigh myself once a week.

      These days I'm concentrating on becoming fit as well as thin -- I try to do 30 minutes of aerobic exercise at least twice a week, and train with weights to tone the muscles.

      I cannot endorse the Hacker's Diet enough, for scientifically-minded people looking for a simple model to understand how their bodies handle nutrition, and how best to lose weight.

  536. Walk! by Zerbey · · Score: 1

    I gained 45lb in the first year I was living in the US because I suddenly wasn't walking 2 miles to work every day. I started walking again for pleasure and, guess what, all the weight is starting to slowly drop off again.

    Never underestimate the simple joy you can get from walking a couple of miles every day, especially if you do it right after work. It helps clear your mind and makes you far less likely to arrive home grumpy after a bad day at work. Even more fun if you can get someone to keep you company!

  537. Masturbating is healthy exercise - official !!!! by Tandoori+Haggis · · Score: 1

    Check out the article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3072021.stm A wank a day keeps thee doctor away - its official. Wooha! Now watch you don't over do it folks! The second hand keyboard exchange will never be the same.... ;-))

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    My hyperlinks aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
  538. Team Fitness by dwater · · Score: 1

    SGI used to have these guys on site :

    Team Fitness

    They now have several sessions in gymnasiums across the SF Bay Area. If you're not in the area, then perhaps there is something similar near you.

    --
    Max.
  539. Stationary bike + Generator + PC = Skinny Guy by ZorMonkey · · Score: 1

    Build yourself a stationary bike with a generator on it, and use it to power your PC. What better motivation is there, than knowing that if you peddle too slow you'll lose all your data?

  540. The key is to stay motivated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can start all the fad diets and excercize programs in the world, and never see any results unless you find one that you enjoy.

    I played tons of sports, lifted weights, did yoga, rode bikes, jogged, swam, etc...

    Currently I am a member of a climbing gym, and getting the best excercise of my whole life. It's challenging not only for the body for for the mind as well. It helps to overcome fear of heights, and is a great endorphine rush. Plus there are lots of friendly people to meet, and it lends itself to actually helping and talking to people.

    Of course I eat organic, drink good water, and walk / ride to work.

    There is no reason why a tech geek can't have a great body too.

  541. Change your diet and go for a walk by mmuskratt · · Score: 1

    I lost 40 lbs doing the following:

    I walk for about 15 minutes each day, roughly...take a short break and go for a walk around the block.

    I stopped eating candy at the candy jar at work. Bring an apple in.

    I stopped drinking soda, now I drink sparkling water or diet sodas. If you can learn to love beer, you can learn to drink diet.

    Watch your portions, change your diet. Eat some veggies off the lunch truck, stop going to the burger joint...

    None of this is new. You know why you're gaining weight, you're eating a ton of carbs, empty calories and you're not exercising enough. A short walk every day will do it, combined with fewer trips to the candy jar.

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    man rtfm
  542. Better Idea by cortez · · Score: 1

    My workout?

    Cock Push-ups.

    (I can only do one in a set, but I'm working on more!)

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    Paizurishitetai desu ka?
  543. Losing weight by Merdalors · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here's a simple solution: get an Otis MP3 player from www.AUDIBLE.com, download electronic narrated books. Coming home from work, park your car 3 km from home, then walk the rest of the way while listening to interesting books. Next morning, walk back to the car & drive to work. Pretty soon you're walking 30 km a week, and having a blast. I've heard more books in the last month than I have time to read in a year.

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    Slashdot entertains. Windows pays the mortgage.
  544. Commute... by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 1

    ... by bicycle.

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    I'm old enough to remember when discussions on Slashdot were well informed.
  545. The hot piss diet explained by Deusy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just to elaborate, I knew somebody who advocated the 'hot piss' diet.

    The basic premise is to keep a glass of water by you at all times, effectively drinking constantly.

    The constant drinking of water stops you feeling hungry and prevents you from snacking (major cause of weight gain).

    It also means you aren't feeling empty come dinner time, so you eat smaller meals - 5 small meals a day is better for your metabolism than 3 big ones.

    Finally (the answer to the 'hot piss') all that water that you consume goes in cool(ish) and comes out at body temperature. That's right, energy loss... you're heating the water and pissing it out, burning calories in order to maintain your body temperature.

    The shakey science sounds right, but the proof was in the pudding - the guy lost 2 stone in a month!

    Then he quit it and put that 2 stone back on in the following 2 months, just going to show that no diet is a decent substitute for regular exercise.

    --

    Free Gamer - Free games list and commentary

  546. That's not science. by siskbc · · Score: 1
    You are wrong in assuming calories equal calories. You have to consider the hormonal and metabolic implications of different macronutrients.

    What the hell is a macronutrient? I want to see some literature to back this stuff up. I have never heard a reputable, scientifically-trained nutritionist spout this Atkins crap. So really, let's see some real evidence.

    The light-headedness only last a few days. After that you should be burning Ketones

    Do you know what a ketone is? I'm a chemist. I do. And you don't burn them. For reference, nail polish remover contains the two most common ketones. Want to eat some? Thought not.

    Bottom line, this is exactly what I predicted - the bulk of this Atkins stuff is coming from people with no scientific or real nutritional training. No offense. Screwing with your diet like this is dangerous. Stick with a balanced diet, watch out for the simple carbs, and you'll be fine.

    --

    -Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat

    1. Re:That's not science. by Dyrandia · · Score: 1

      I'll have to back you up on this one. My mother is an R.D., L.D. (registered andlicensed dietician, just as doctors have to be registered and licensed in order to practice) with a masters in nutrition. As much as she (and i!) would like for me to lose weight, there's no way she'd allow me on an atkin's diet. What it does is send your body into ketoacidosis. Ketoacidosis is a serious condition that can lead to diabetic coma (passing out for a long time) or even death. Ketocidosis means dangerously high levels of ketones. Ketones are acids that build up in the blood. They appear in the urine when your body doesn't have enough insulin. Ketones can poison the body.

      The first symptoms inclue:
      Thirst or a very dry mouth.
      Frequent urination.
      High blood sugar levels.
      High levels of ketones in the urine.
      Next, other symptoms appear:
      Constantly feeling tired.
      Dry or flushed skin.
      Nausea, vomiting, or abdominal pain (Vomiting can be caused by many illnesses, not just ketoacidosis. If vomiting continues for more than 2 hours, contact your health care provider.)
      A hard time breathing (short, deep breaths).
      Fruity odor on breath.
      A hard time paying attention, or confusion.

      Its just as effective as, say, cutting off your head to lose 10 pounds! The best way to lose weight is a healthy, balanced diet and regular exercise. This is why I can't lose weight. I *know* how to eat healthy, know I should exercise, but I can't be arsed. My weight problem isn't just a weight problem, its a willpower problem, and a laziness problem, and because I spend most of my time in front of the computer, its also a lifestyle problem.

      My souce (no, i'm not sharing my mom!) is here at www.diabetes.org.

    2. Re:That's not science. by fendel · · Score: 1

      Ketosis in non-diabetics and ketoacidosis in Type I diabetics are entirely different things. Ketoacidosis is dangerous but does not occur in the presence of insulin--which, unless you're a juvenile-onset diabetic, you have.

  547. I have a way... by Juju · · Score: 1

    I used to be 87kg (that's 175 pounds), and I started a diet, did lots of sport and finally stopped drinking too often.
    Now I am 71kg and doing triathlons. Just get the motivation to do some sport and dedicate yourself to it. Do about 7h a week, and you'll feel GREAT!

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    Black holes occur when God divides by zero.
  548. Biking: Carrying Computer? by jennygerbi · · Score: 1

    Hey all-
    I've also started to try and bike to work, which 9 miles each way through the dangerous and unforgiving SW Chicago suburbs, is not fun. I've only done it a few times. I'm lucky enough to have showers at work, so once you get over the weird feeling of "I'm showering at WORK!" it's okay.

    The main problem I've had is that I don't like to carry my laptop in my bike bags. (I have a rack on the back and the "grocery bag" style bike bags, which I love). I can't bike with a backpack.

    Anyone found a source for a good sort of light, but durable, laptop strongbox that would attach to the rack the same way? Good enough to protect it in the event of a (eep) fall?

    I'd bike every damn day if I had a nice trail and no computer. Some roads here have no shoulders and no sidewalks, it's unbelievable. *@*&#~! urban planners. And, for the record, I"m huge- I think biking is much better for heavy people than jogging, until they get slimmer. I"ve done lots of aerobics and the elliptical runner.. and am bored to death. At least biking to work is an exciting challenge that involves the RISK OF DEATH. That keeps your attention. -j

  549. No really - fat makes you fat. by siskbc · · Score: 1
    Fried foods are high-carb. That's why people who eat lots of fries get fat. Fried meats have breading which is in turn high-carb

    That's flat out bullshit. Look at the nutritional value on a pack of McD's fries sometime. Though it's a potato product, the bulk of the calories are fat.

    I've been doing Atkins for about 2 years now. I lost 40 pounds pretty quickly and have kept it off. *I* can guarantee *you* that if you eat a pound of carbs (bread for example), and I eat a pound of fat (macadamia nuts), I will lose weight while you gain it.

    No, that's NOT TRUE. You honestly need to learn how to read a nutritional label. Even the Atkins people admit that carbs only pack on weight because you eat 4x as many. Eat complex carbs instead of simple sugars and you won't do that, and you'll lose weight. Fat has MORE calories, per mass, than carbs, and I don't care what diet you use. That's science, and it's unavoidable. 9cal/g for fat, 4cal/g for carbs.

    I wonder: are you fit? Before Atkins I did low-fat dieting, and had very little luck, because I was always hungry.

    Quite fit - I'm 5'9" and 150lbs. Body fat is low, and would be lower if my wife didn't make me keep a bit of pudge. ;) I lost 30 lbs in 100 days after Christmas, and I did it with exactly the diet I described - 40% complex carbs, 30% fat, 30% protein. And, as we will both agree I'm sure, I avoided simple sugary carbs like the plague. I used beef jerky as a snack, as it's high in protein (sticks to you) and is 98% fat free. I was almost never hungry, and I lost weight rather easily (I also started running about 12 miles/week).

    There have been diet fads roughly once every 3 years for decades. The only one that people come back to is a balanced diet low in calories, with complex carbs instead of sugars to avoid the sugar spikes. Works like a charm.

    --

    -Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat

    1. Re:No really - fat makes you fat. by panty-sniffer · · Score: 1

      Here's the nutritional content of McDonalds Super Size French Fries: 176g, calories 540, calories from fat 230, fat 26g, carbohydrates 68g, protein 8g. This means 272 calories from carbs and 32 from protein. As you can see, it's not true that "the bulk of the calories are fat".

      I don't put any stock in the argument that calories are what count. Look - on Atkins I eat as much as I want. I don't know how many calories I eat. And I lose weight. When I'm not on Atkins, I eat as much as I want, and I gain weight. According to the diet, my choice of food is suppressing my appetite. This means you can't just use the 4cal/g vs. 9cal/g yardstick to measure calories. That pound of bread is going to make you hungry again in 30 minutes, where my mac nuts will stave off any sort of hunger for hours.

      I wouldn't call Atkins a fad diet. People use what works. I suggest you try your diet with no exercise, and see how well you do.

    2. Re:No really - fat makes you fat. by siskbc · · Score: 1
      Here's the nutritional content of McDonalds Super Size French Fries: 176g, calories 540, calories from fat 230, fat 26g, carbohydrates 68g, protein 8g. This means 272 calories from carbs and 32 from protein.

      I call something that gets near 50% of its calories from fat far too high. Also, realize that the fries have the least fat of anything in the meal, and that's a bit of a sobering thought.

      I don't put any stock in the argument that calories are what count.

      You can put stock in whatever you want, but it's scientific fact. Of course, I agree that the second part is you eat what keeps you from eating again 10 minutes later. We both agree that this eliminates simple carbs from a diet. However, this doesn't mean that taking the most extreme solution that keeps you full is a great idea. There are other possibilities.

      Look - on Atkins I eat as much as I want. I don't know how many calories I eat. And I lose weight. When I'm not on Atkins, I eat as much as I want, and I gain weight.

      That's not a fair comparison, because you only considered two diets - Atkins and the crappy one you tried previously. My alternative worked great - I lost weight, I wasn't hungry, and I ate smaller portions of the really horrible things I like. But I still got them. So I was still pretty happy.

      I wouldn't call Atkins a fad diet. People use what works. I suggest you try your diet with no exercise, and see how well you do.

      I did the opposite controls - I started excercising before I started dieting, and it didn't work. Also, I'm still exercising and I'm off the diet (mostly - I got to my target weight), and I'm no longer losing weight - but I'm not gaining either. While I was on the diet, I had not yet leveled off on my weight loss - it was still coming off. That should be enough to prove that the diet I used worked.

      Here's the thing - I agree that getting rid of simple sugars is essential (the first thing I did was get rid of Coke; I was on about 4-5 a day). And I agree that protein is a great thing in moderation - one of my favorite snacks is now lean beef jerky. So if you look at it that way, I believe in the moderate version of the Atkins sort of stuff, like no simple carbs and some more protein. But the high-fat part is flat-out dangerous, and needless. You can easily lose weight without the risk, and also without being hungry. There are great high-protein low-fat sources available, so there's no reason not to.

      By the way, you did hear that Atkins had a heart attack, right? Just wondering. Because even if your diet works (and I'm not contending 100% that it doesn't - like you said, you lost weight), it's not good at all long-term.

      --

      -Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat

    3. Re:No really - fat makes you fat. by panty-sniffer · · Score: 1
      By the way, you did hear that Atkins had a heart attack, right? Just wondering. Because even if your diet works (and I'm not contending 100% that it doesn't - like you said, you lost weight), it's not good at all long-term.

      No one has claimed that the Atkins diet makes you immune to all forms of heart disease. It scores a 2 out of 3: raises good cholesterol, but raises bad cholesterol, and lowers triglycerides. The thing is, the ratio of LDL/HDL is considered more important than the absolute values, so it's not such a problem. I'll try to find you the article if you want to read it, it came across Newshub a few months ago. If you have any studies which argue your point about Atkins not being good long-term, I'd like to read them. No FUD please!

    4. Re:No really - fat makes you fat. by Freaek · · Score: 1

      do you count fruit 'n' vege's into that as well?

    5. Re:No really - fat makes you fat. by siskbc · · Score: 1
      do you count fruit 'n' vege's into that as well?

      Yes, but differently. Fruits, especially if cooked (or juice) are instantly absorbed. Veggies, on the other hand, if they aren't cooked, don't go so quickly. So I restricted intake of fruits (except for some daily OJ for calcium - I hate milk), and tried to eat a lot of raw veggies (which I prefer anyway).

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      -Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat

  550. simple by weathergeek · · Score: 1

    bike to work, and watch calorie intake at the office chair; you'll need to spend a few bucks at first for bike gear, but in the long run, besides the obvious, you will save $. and munch on low calorie snacks/meals if you know you'll be breaking-in your office chair the whole day. works for me.

  551. Move to China by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here's an alternate strategy for losing weight: move to China. If not permanently, at least for several months. I went there in 2001 and in 9 months I lost about 20 pounds without even trying. I didn't deprive myself in any way, I ate what I wanted and was very, very happy. But I did ride a bike more and fatty foods are just not readily available there. Ice cream before bed? Doesn't happen. Cheesecake for dessert? They don't have it. Buttered popcorn at the movie theatre? Doesn't exist.

    I'm not trying to be flippant but really, it was the easiest 20 pounds I ever lost. Granted, it took 9 months, but I wasn't even trying, and I didn't go on any special diets or anything. Just the change of lifestyle did it for me. Oh, and I had a great time there.

    Of course, I've been back in the USA for a year and a half and almost 10 pounds have come back. Time for another trip ...

    1. Re:Move to China by cruachan · · Score: 1

      Non-caucasians are generally lactose-intolerant after early childhood. Indeed it makes them sick.

    2. Re:Move to China by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 1

      OK, well this discussion is way over and nobody will probably read this but ...

      You are right, although keep in mind that a good percentage of caucasians are lactose intolerant as well. I'm not, as the choice of desserts that I mentioned shows.

      But they were just examples. Indeed there are several Baskin Robbins 31 Flavors in Beijing, and they are quite popular. My poing was just that fatty, sugary foods are eaten much less often there, whether they have milk in them or not. Thus just living the lifestyle which is natural in China (and quite enjoyable, really) is a good way to lose weight.

  552. So the moral of the story is.. by rune2 · · Score: 1

    To stop sitting on your ass reading Slashdot and start exercising mister!! ;-)

  553. Body For Life by Kent+Brewster · · Score: 1
    This took some doing to integrate with office life, but: reasonably strict adherance to Bill Phillips' Body For Life program put me in my very best shape ever. Dropped 24 pounds of fat and gained six of muscle in 12 weeks, as verified by my doctor, who I consulted--you do the same, please--before starting.

    Six days out of seven, you eat six meals a day, 40% carbs, 40% protein, and 20% fat. You drink ten cups of water a day, and piss like a race horse throughout. You alternate weights with aerobics, an average of about a half an hour a day. And you take that seventh lovely day off and sit on your butt and eat like a hog. It sounded just horrible when I started--eating right and exercising? Nooooo! I want a quick fix, dammit!--but it worked.

    Fitting the workouts in was the hardest part; I eventually settled on aerobics--treadmill, mostly--in the morning, and weight training at lunch. Find yourself a Gold's Gym; they're well-equipped, are not thinly-disguised pick-up joints, cost a lousy $30 a month, and are totally reasonable about letting you quit if it doesn't work out.

  554. get chron's disease by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    chron's disease is a great way to lose weight. only a few side effects to deal with: puking and diahrea. managed to lose 4 pant sizes in the first six monthes before the doctors got it under control. now any meats except for very lean meat (chicken and fish) will go right through me in under 30 minutes from the time i eat until i shit it out unless i take prescription anti diahrea drugs before eating.

  555. an apple a day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    keeps the doctor away...but if you want the pounds off FAST:
    Every day,
    3. Masturbate 3 times (much better than excercise!).
    2. Eat twice (sleep in, eat a large lunch instead of breakfast, and get your snack on late at night).
    1. Shit once (dropping a healthy sized hud...ahh, what a feeling...).

    (it really works! they call me auschwitzboy at work!)

  556. fitness in office by baomike · · Score: 1

    First It ain't called a beer belly for nothing.
    Drink scotch.
    Go swinmming regularly. Very few fat swimmers.

  557. I like this post by egarland · · Score: 1

    Actually. I've enjoyed reading people's posts. I'm convinced the experts don't know much about weight gain and weight loss. The science that has been done seems full of assumptions and inconclusive studies. The recent tests showing that the Atikins diet actually works while all modern science says it shouldn't shows just how far they have to go in figuring out even the basics. I'm interested in hearing what has worked for people who, like me, sit all day. That way I can try them and see if they work for me too.

    Another thing I'm convinced of is that there is no one answer to the problem. Different people digest different foods differently. A low carb diet that works well for some people can cause weight gain and even be life threatening to others (gout/kidney issues) while a high carb diet that works well for some people can cause weight gain and even be life threatening to others (diabetic/hypoglycemic.) Adjusting your diet isn't as easy as reading something and following it. You need to pay attention to how your body reacts to different foods. Like any complicated black box system you need to try lots of different inputs and look at the results. A knowledge of the different variables and what effects they have is a big help but you can't get all the answers from a book or a simple formula. For example, if you end up lying down finding it hard to find the energy to breathe after eating high-carb foods (like me) you may have trouble with them and may want to work on limiting your intake. Don't poke too much fun at the guy who tries one meal a day. The thinnest I have ever been was after a period where I only ate one meal a day during college. I don't think it would work for me now because I am in a different place in my life (I have a refrigerator now that constantly has food in it) but it could work for some people.

    Similarly gyms, running, biking, swimming all work for some people and not for others. I have an extremely tall torso and short legs. For me, running is a lousy option, my body isn't built for running. It's hell on my joints and I don't burn a lot of energy. Swimming is much better for me but I don't have anywhere to swim. Most people live where biking is more likely to kill you than the health issues associated with being fat. Gyms bore the hell out of me. Try standing facing a corner for about half an hour while you have something important to be doing and you will feel the way I feel in a gym. I haven't quite found the answer that's right for me, I'm still in lousy shape, although I have stopped gaining weight and I think I'm slowly losing it. I get a lot more exercise than I used to now that I have a house and have yard work to do. Back when I lived in a condo complex I found it very hard to get exercise.

    The one suggestion that everyone seems to agree on but doesn't come up much in discussions like this is salad. Salad is awesome food and a great balance for what we seem to have too much of in our diets. My favorite is Applebees Steakhouse Salad. I love that thing. Yea, it's got a bunch of steak which a lot of people would whine about but I love it. One thing I have learned about salad is that iceberg lettuce (previously my favorite) is the fast-food equivalent of lettuce. It has almost none of the good stuff that lettuce is supposed to have, it's very bland, and it doesn't last well. It gets brown and bitter and slimy very easily where the other lettuces seem to make more consistently good salads that are better for you.

    Another thing I have taken to is cottage cheese and fruit. It's an old family thing, my grandmother used to eat it. Cottage cheese, like yogurt, mostly tastes like what you put in it but it has fewer carbs and more protein. Take half a can of fruit cocktail and half a tub of cottage cheese and in about 20 seconds you have a meal. It's great for when I am deep in code and don't want to interrupt my progress.

    As to your last comment, a lot of thin people like to take credit for their being thin and credit it t

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    1. Re:I like this post by gosand · · Score: 1
      I've enjoyed reading people's posts. I'm convinced the experts don't know much about weight gain and weight loss. The science that has been done seems full of assumptions and inconclusive studies. The recent tests showing that the Atikins diet actually works while all modern science says it shouldn't shows just how far they have to go in figuring out even the basics.

      Here is the key point on the Atkins diet: it may help you lose weight, but it is unhealthy. Too many people associate weight loss with health. Hell, there are lots of unhealthy ways to lose weight. If you want to JUST lose weight, you can do that. If you want to JUST eat healthy, you can do that too (and you'll probably lose some weight). Combining those two goals is the trick.

      Another thing I'm convinced of is that there is no one answer to the problem. Different people digest different foods differently. A low carb diet that works well for some people can cause weight gain and even be life threatening to others (gout/kidney issues) while a high carb diet that works well for some people can cause weight gain and even be life threatening to others (diabetic/hypoglycemic.) Adjusting your diet isn't as easy as reading something and following it. You need to pay attention to how your body reacts to different foods.

      This is a really good point, and one that a lot of people ignore. But you should try to get healthy first, and lose weight second. Soooo many times they go hand in hand. And a doctor or nutritionest is who can tell you how your body might react best to certain foods. But there are some general rules you can follow first. And you can get that info from somewhere other than Slashdot.

      As to your last comment, a lot of thin people like to take credit for their being thin and credit it to being smarter, more disciplined, more moral etc. I know a lot of skinny people and, aside from some girls who seem to have a unhealthy obsession with being thin, I have never known it to be a great feat of will or intellect. Most people I know who are overweight put a lot more intelligence and discipline into healthy living than the thin people I know.

      I thought that too, I know people who are overweight, are always watching what they eat, yet don't change. Then I started watching them closer. They cheat, and they deny it to themselves. They don't exercise. Exercise can make such a huge difference. They eat lots of low-fat foods. (hint: low fat != low calories). Portions are a big issue. In my lunch, I'll bring just a few chips, instead of a whole baggie full. If they are there, I'll eat them. If I only have a few, I can space them out. I bring carrots as "filler" food. If I need some chocolate, and sometimes I really do, I'll bring one or two of those Hershey miniatures. Not a king-size Snickers. You add up these little things, and it makes a difference. I know how long I have to go on the stairmaster to burn 100 calories. I keep that in mind when I want to eat a donut, or another helping of something. Sometimes I eat it, and I do it knowing full well what it means.

      You don't have to obsess over it, but you have to be honest about it. I have gotten out of shape at times, and put on a little weight. But I know I have to then make a concerted effort to lose it. It is much easier to maintain than it is to yo-yo back and forth.

      We went to Paris for a week this year. The only fat people there were tourists, and they stuck out like sore thumbs. It was really disheartening to come back to the US and see how everyone was overweight. Even people I didn't think were overweight seemed so after I got back. We are a fat country. I am 5'11" and weigh 170 lbs, and I felt a little overweight over there. I am by no means skinny, but I will not allow myself to get overweight. When I was younger, I was overweight, and I won't let it happen again. And I eat pretty much anything I want. You have to use balance and smarts about it though. And if you are 100 lbs overweight, you

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    2. Re:I like this post by egarland · · Score: 1

      Here is the key point on the Atkins diet: it may help you lose weight, but it is unhealthy. Too many people associate weight loss with health.

      I have heard lots of people who assume the Atkins diet is unhealthy because it may do some thing or another but to my knowledge no one has ever shown that it *IS* unhealthy. The same assumptions that say it is unhealthy lead people to believe that you would gain weight on Atkins, quickly. The science of nutrition is full of vast oversimplifications and baseless conclusions. The people who tell us Atkins is bad for us sound a lot like the people who told us the world was flat. They assume it is and view any attempt to verify it as dangerous and foolhardy. I'm not saying I know the answer, I suspect that there are issues with Atkins for some people and that there likely are modifications to Atkins that would improve it. What I am saying is that the answer isn't known and the people who stand up and say they know are full of crap. They suspect, they assume, they do not know.

      And a doctor or nutritionist is who can tell you how your body might react best to certain foods. But there are some general rules you can follow first. And you can get that info from somewhere other than Slashdot.

      Some doctors and nutritionists will guide you in the right direction, others won't. The situation has gotten much better since Atkins's recent massive press attention which embarrassed the hell out of the industry. Many aren't just blindly telling everyone to eat lots of bread and pasta anymore. I believe the answer is different for everyone. I also believe the doctors and nutritionists have no way of knowing which answer is right for which person. They just don't have tools that can figure it out yet. There are some general guidelines they have but you can get them from books and I feel that the guidelines are wrong just as often as they are right. I think people's time is probably better spent reading a book like The Zone or the Atkins diet and their money is probably better spent on silly things like a ball chair than on a nutritionist.

      Then I started watching them closer. They cheat, and they deny it to themselves.

      I've watched thin people. They cheat too, often quite dramatically. They just think they have earned it since they are thin.

      We went to Paris for a week this year. The only fat people there were tourists, and they stuck out like sore thumbs.

      So the "cheese eating surrender monkeys" are skinny eh? :)

      Do you suspect that it is because people in Paris get much more exercise than people in, for example, New York? Do you suspect that they lack the modern conveniences that make us Americans so fat? Or do you suspect that it might have something to do with the eating patterns, maybe the fact that in France they haven't had a government cramming bulk manufactured, prepackaged, sugar-starches down their throats and calling it nutrition for the last 20 years. (for the record I don't actually consider the French "surrender monkeys" :) I was simply quoting a very funny line from the Simpsons. On the contrary I consider France one of the greatest military forces of the last millennium.)

      I think people can do little things to tip the balance one way or another but often people's balance is way off and they need big changes in order to make any progress. The little bit that willpower can accomplish can mean the difference between gaining weight and losing it for some people while for others it means the difference between gaining weight fast and staying the same weight. There are bigger forces at work than the quantity of food we ingest and the litt

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    3. Re:I like this post by gosand · · Score: 1
      I'm not saying I know the answer, I suspect that there are issues with Atkins for some people and that there likely are modifications to Atkins that would improve it. What I am saying is that the answer isn't known and the people who stand up and say they know are full of crap. They suspect, they assume, they do not know.

      But the Atkins diet is the ones making the claims that you can lose weight by following it. From what I have seen, it may be true. But losing weight != healthy. This diet is popular because people want to lose weight, not because they want to be healthy. Therefore, the burden of proof is on Dr. Atkins to prove it is healthy. Of course there are concerns with it, it does fly in the face of what we generally accept to be a good diet. Saying "there is no evidence to prove it is unhealthy" is just wrong. If you come out with some diet that you are advocating, it is your responsibility to show it won't kill you in 5 years.

      A good recent study on diet is this Scientific American article on rebuilding the food pyramid.

      Do you suspect that it is because people in Paris get much more exercise than people in, for example, New York? Do you suspect that they lack the modern conveniences that make us Americans so fat? Or do you suspect that it might have something to do with the eating patterns, maybe the fact that in France they haven't had a government cramming bulk manufactured, prepackaged, sugar-starches down their throats and calling it nutrition for the last 20 years.

      Can't blame the government on this one. If you don't know fast food is bad for you then you are an idiot. If you choose to get a Super-sized meal, that is your choice. The French love food, probably more than anyone else on the planet. They strive for freshness and quality. We want quick and cheap. That is our society. They appreciate quality, we want quantity. I didn't see any "all you can eat" buffets in Paris. :-)

      (for the record I don't actually consider the French "surrender monkeys" :) I was simply quoting a very funny line from the Simpsons.

      Ahh, but it isn't quite as funny without the Scottish accent. :-)

      I think people can do little things to tip the balance one way or another but often people's balance is way off and they need big changes in order to make any progress.

      I agree. The FIRST thing you need to do is educate yourself. There are basics you can learn, and apply them immediately. You'd be surprised that many people don't know that if you intake more calories than you burn, you gain weight. They don't know the basics about metabolism. The basics about fat, protein, and carbs. That sugar is a simple carb. That something simple like replacing the 6 Cokes you drink a day with water can make a huge difference. But people want the quick fix without understanding the basics of nutrition. Back to the original poster of this question, I say that he should be educating himself with the net instead of asking Slashdot for something that is tried and true. Get the principles down, work on the method later. Because if method X doesn't work for him, he has to find another method instead of working off a good base of knowledge.

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    4. Re:I like this post by egarland · · Score: 1

      This diet is popular because people want to lose weight, not because they want to be healthy. Therefore, the burden of proof is on Dr. Atkins to prove it is healthy. If you come out with some diet that you are advocating, it is your responsibility to show it won't kill you in 5 years.

      Actually, I believe most people try the Atkins diet in an attempt to improve their overall health and not simply lose weight. It is part of the stated effects of the diet in his book and he talks at length about the overall health implications. Also, from what I can tell, Atkins did as much as can be expected to show that his diet was healthy and much more than almost anyone else who has produced a dietary recommendataion. It seems his patients were monitored carefully and the evidence was quite strong that his diet improved overall health. That is much more than can be said for most diets including the food pyramid. Now it's up to the doctors and nutritionists who are standing up and saying that it shouldn't be followed because it is unhealthy to prove what they are claiming. The embarrasing fact is they base most of what they are doing on little or no experimental evidence. They make the same assumptions they have been making for years about how the body works. They do not know that the diet is unhelathy. The evidence seems to show that it, in fact, is very healthy. Mostly the evidence I have heard is from doctors saying it's unhealthy because they assume it is based on their understanding of how the body works.

      If you don't know fast food is bad for you then you are an idiot.

      I disagree with this on a lot of levels. First, just because it's quick to prepare and serve doesn't make it bad for you. There are few people who would argue that picking up a grilled chicken bacon ranch salad and a diet coke at McDonalds is eating unhealthily. It's not 'fast' food that's bad it's the types of food we eat. I would argue that much of the blame on fast food is misplaced. Our problems have more to do with Special K and Cheerios than BigMac's and fries and a whole lot more to do with Coke than either.

      It comes down to the question of what parts of the meals are bad for you. How do you pick and chose. Is it better to get a double quarter pounder with cheese (760 calories) or a Big Mac (580 calories) or simple hamburger and small fries with only (490 calories)? The people who sit there and say "if you intake more calories than you burn, you gain weight" would probably say go with the hamburger and fries. The answer is more complicated than that though. For me, I'll take the double quarter pounder with cheese. Why? The double quarter pounder with cheese will fill me up and not spike my blood sugar which would make me hungy again soon. A hamburger and fries has 61g of carbs, the Big Mac has 47g of carbohydrates where a DQPwC has only 38g. (from here) Caloric intake vs output is as relavent to weight loss in much the same way that water input vs output is to water pressure in a water system. While the rule is very true you don't get much usefull information as to how to design a good system from it.

      Trying to work from calories has lead to stupid things like people not tosting their bread. Toast, you see, has more calories per gram than bread does and thus is more fattening. Of course that is rediculous since they are the same thing, but toast has less water thus is lighter and contains more calories per gram. This is an extreme example of why the oversimplified models that are commonly used by nutritionists don't work. Calories per gram is obviously not an apropriate way to analyse food'd impact on health or weight loss. Measuring a food's weight or volume is not suficcient to determine how long it will keep you full.

      I believe the variables that determine how long something will fill you up will even change from day to day as the populations of bacteria in your d

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    5. Re:I like this post by gosand · · Score: 1
      First off, I think we are having a rather productive discussion, even if nobody else is listening. :-)

      Actually, I believe most people try the Atkins diet in an attempt to improve their overall health and not simply lose weight. It is part of the stated effects of the diet in his book and he talks at length about the overall health implications.

      This hasn't been my experience. I know people who wanted to drop 10 lbs for a wedding, so they went on the "Atkins" diet. Someone else was on it for 2 months, solely for dropping weight. Another was going on vacation, and wanted to look good in a bathing suit. She didn't last but about a day on it. Now I don't know much about it, other than it is very strict, difficult, and it isn't very balanced. I think the unbalanced part is what threw up red flags to nutritionists. (My brother has a master's in nutrition)

      I disagree with this on a lot of levels. First, just because it's quick to prepare and serve doesn't make it bad for you. There are few people who would argue that picking up a grilled chicken bacon ranch salad and a diet coke at McDonalds is eating unhealthily. It's not 'fast' food that's bad it's the types of food we eat. I would argue that much of the blame on fast food is misplaced. Our problems have more to do with Special K and Cheerios than BigMac's and fries and a whole lot more to do with Coke than either.

      I was talking in general terms about fast food. Of course there are reasonable choices at fast food joints. I am not blaming fast food, but the people who make the choice to eat it EVERY day. Then they act all stupid, like they didn't know that would lead to weight gain. I didn't realize that there are some people who eat McDonalds every day. Even when I was in college, I would only eat it a few times a week. But these are people who are 30 yrs old, who should know better. And I could get away with eating more crap in college, when I had tons of free time to work out, and when my metabolism was about twice what it is now.

      It comes down to the question of what parts of the meals are bad for you. How do you pick and chose. Is it better to get a double quarter pounder with cheese (760 calories) or a Big Mac (580 calories) or simple hamburger and small fries with only (490 calories)? The people who sit there and say "if you intake more calories than you burn, you gain weight" would probably say go with the hamburger and fries. The answer is more complicated than that though.

      That would be my answer. Of course, that is a general answer, and is probably the best answer for most people. If you know different for you and your body, then that is different. Most people don't. If you are alergic to potatos, that would be the wrong choice, obviously. I ate a double quarter pounder w/cheese once back in college. OMG. I can't believe that they still serve those things. I felt like dying after eating it. Portions are such a big issue for me, and Italian restaurants are the worst. Why do they charge you $16 for something and give you enough food for 3 people? I would rather pay $8 and get half that amount. That is one of the reasons I love Spanish Tapas. Mmm mmm. Anyway, I digress....

      I now know with a high degree of certainty that a high-carbohydrate diet doesn't agree with me. In retrospect, if I had been paying attention I would have learned this well before I did. As it was, it took reading a few books (I think it was the Zone one that first got me suspecting it) to clue me in and eventually my doctor diagnosed me as hypoglycemic. I had been on a low fat, high carbohydrate diet for over 20 years, since my grandmother died from a heart attack. I've also been heavy since about that time.

      This proves that there is no one right answer. Low-fat/high-carb diets do work for some people. But the trend right now is to cut out carbs. Just like it used to be to cut out fat. People are eating "low carb" foods now, and they aren't looking at anything els

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  558. Lights in the dark! by driptray · · Score: 1

    This really isn't true. Get good lights, both front and rear, and wear light-coloured clothing, and riding at night becomes quite safe. Other practical tips are to get fenders and a rack/panniers for carrying stuff.

    I commute by bicycle all year 'round, riding in the dark, the rain, and even the snow. I enjoy it far more than I enjoy driving a car. (It can be a bit hairy in the snow though)

  559. It's not the weight that matters by acermate433s · · Score: 1

    Muscle is more dense that fat. If you exercise and you build up your muscle you will look thinner but much more densier (and then maybe heavier)

  560. get a cooperative girlfriend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and watch the slim new you emerge !

  561. Re:those numbers for water consumption come from.. by buck_wild · · Score: 1

    I prefer Grampers.

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  562. "Buck" for a promotion by sharkey · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's exercise that'll tone your neck, with a high-protein diet.

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  563. Re:People don't understand there are 2 kinds of ca by DeputySpade · · Score: 1

    Law of averages says he'd probably choke to death eventualy.

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  564. A mental challenge. by Gurezaemon · · Score: 1

    All-you-can-eat deals are not your friends. In the west, we have this habit of eating until we are full. If you can get used to the idea of eating until you don't need any more, that can be enough to make the difference.
    This is one reason the Okinawans life so long, and are so annoyingly healthy - they practice "hara hachi-bu" meaning eating until you are 80% full.
    I have found that a lot of losing weight is a paradigm shift. Instead of thinking "Shit, I'm hungry," try thinking "I feel light and energetic." Cutting out snacks, and not gorging worked to get rid of 12kg (25 pound) in a couple of months, without any increase in exercise.

  565. Hacker's Diet by John Walker (AutoDesk/CAD) by peterxyz · · Score: 1

    http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/
    its all about the calories man

  566. ObGump by sharkey · · Score: 1

    "Those look like comfortable shoes."

    Seriously, get GOOD footware. Go to a shoe store that caters to runners, and get the best you can afford. They'll be able to recommend shoes based on your stride, arch, pronation of your ankle, etc. I went from cheap shoes I picked up at Wal-Mart to a good pair of Brooks. World of difference.

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  567. Re:Get a Bicycle-Score! Two points. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hehe. As a chronic biker (no car just bike) I can relate to everything you've mentioned. The only bad things about winter is the fact that the city doesn't do a good job on the side roads (ice is no fun riding on), and they pile the snow up into big drifts. It takes a LOT of effort to get from point A to B in a reasonable amount of time (I live in this states capitol). Throw in rude, I'll run you over drivers, and weee. I'll proably move were one can ride year-round without killing oneself. BTW You food intake actually goes up.

  568. go ahead. by twitter · · Score: 1
    someone like me accidentally swipes you off the road in my '84 Cutlass hoopty.

    Kinda hard to drive that piece of shit after someone like me slashes the tires, bricks the windows and lights the stereo, seats and driver on fire, no? Oh yeah, that's if you are nice and quiet. If you blow your horn, I'll cut your nuts off first. Stand out and die, bitch.

    I don't like you. I know why I don't like you too.

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  569. Aikido by ralphbecket · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nothing worked for me until I tried aikido. Aikido was, at long last, something that held my attention, kept me interested and got me fit. After four or five months I suddenly realised that I'd lost all the fat I'd been trying to shift for a decade and had, mirabile dictu, acquired some muscles.

    Even better, I haven't had to give up beer or good living. I still eat pretty much the way I always have.

    Aikido may not work for you, but I recommend trying some martial art. They're interactive and absorbing in a way that solo exercise can't compete with.

    My waist line has gone from 36" to 30" in less than a year. Magic.

    1. Re:Aikido by cruachan · · Score: 1

      Amen to that. Gyms, running, swimming etc always seemed pointless to me but Martial Arts come with an inbuilt sense of purpose and goals that keep the interest. I recently got a knee injury (unrelated) and had to take a month off my regular classes - and by the end of 4 weeks I was just aching to get out there and hit a few boards again.

      Tae Kwon Do has also cured a long-term niggling back problem I had through most of my 30's - because of it's emphasis on streatching and flexibility. And I'm currently looking for some local Judo classes to complement a stiking martial art with a wrestling one.

  570. OT again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unfortunately by accident of birth, I'm stuck in DC. No reason for disdain. And trust me, some of us are trying to change the world here. It's just really really tough.

    And as for riding through mud, sure skinny tires are fine. But for those of us who weigh 200+lbs (~91kg), skinny tires don't last. No acrimony intended, just fact. And you're right, I get burnt by twigs who have setups like Lemond and Armstrong.

    Although the one time I tried a lite bike, I did fly. From Mount Vernon to DC and back. Wouldn't have lasted a second day, but for that day with a level playing field I dusted my compadres. So I think I could hang with eurobikers. Laughing at a different bike is like laughing at a Mac user.

  571. There's no substitute... by iMMo · · Score: 1

    Dispite what anyone says here about 'low carb' this or 'low fat' that, there is really no substitute for hard work! Work out regularly and intensely, both cardio and resistance training. Eat frequent, balanced small meals. Don't fall for fads like Atkins -- if you're going to fall for anything, fall for something that at least makes sense:

    http://www.bodyforlife.com/

    I have a sedentary desk job as well - and I spend a *lot* of time at work these days. However, I care enough about how I look, and more importantly how I feel, to get up early before work to bust my ass for 20m (cardio days) or 1h (weight days). It's really all in the planning, and you don't have to buy expensive supplements or anything to keep with it (although, the supplement game has become a lot like buying computer hardware for me these days -- what I used to spend on a new sound or video card, or some RAM I now spend on some creatine or some protein powder :) ). Just get a set of body fat calipers (throw out your scale) and invest in some healthy food and a gym membership. It's as worth it as a Radeon 9800 All-In-Wonder.

  572. Atkins? by Cornelius+Chesterfie · · Score: 1

    "My Dad lost a lot of weight on Adkins ... but it killed his kidneys and that caused congestive heart failure."

    You got modded as Funny so I'm not certain you're being serious. I've been doing Atkins for 3 weeks, lost 15 pounds so far, and was planning on keeping it up for another 2 months.

    Are you sure your father's problems aren't from old age?

    1. Re:Atkins? by rbook · · Score: 1

      I don't know why I got modded as "funny." I was actually serious.

      I've talked to more doctors since that happened, and basically they told me that if your kidney function is normal, you can do Adkins safely for about two weeks at a time. More than that is risky, even for healthy people. I'm not a doctor, but if I were you I'd talk to one before staying on it for another 2 months!

      You can probably solve the problem just by adding some minimum about of carbs per day. I dunno, maybe a bowl or two of rice would be enough. But ask the doctor(s) in any case.

      As for my father -- he was in fairly good health, with no heart problems before Adkins. He was a bit overweight, and had respiratory allergies, but that was it. He is not that old (early 60s). I'm not sure how long he was on it, but I heard him talking about it (and trying to get me on it) for several months.

      Every doctor I discussed it with said I'd be better off staying fat than doing Adkins, except the one who said I might be able to do it for two weeks if I got my kidney function tested first.

      I'm taking my own way to losing weight -- slow but steady. I'd rather lose a pound a week for two years than 100 pounds in two or three months.

    2. Re:Atkins? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did something similar to Atkins, tho not to the extremes, but I think I did pretty well. I was 70-72kg back then, but lost 10kg in a period of 3 months. No general exercising, I'm a programmer like y'all. I basically cut out carbs from rice, bread and potato sources. I removed candy, creams, cakes and sweets from my diet - I only have them once in a while.

      I did eat my greens - plenty too. I didn't have to worry about the dose of fat. I ate a lot of fruits as a sugar replacement.

      Basically, I'm saying that it was the carbs that made me gain fat. I am now on a standard diet, but still watching how much carbs I eat.

    3. Re:Atkins? by 61Dynamic · · Score: 1

      You can't do Atkins for that long! your body can't hack it.

      3 weeks is the absolute max you can stay at it with out it causing problems and then your susposed to take at least a month off from the diet before continuing agian. Otherwise you really mess your self up.

    4. Re:Atkins? by znaps · · Score: 1

      A bowl of rice would contain far too many carbs to stay in ketosis. If you ate that, combined with all the recommended high fat foods for the Atkin's diet, then you'd end up fatter.

    5. Re:Atkins? by The+Cydonian · · Score: 1
      Dad had this heart attack three years back; there was a block in his pulmonary artery. The cardiologist said that there was a significant risk of another heart attack again with his cholesterol levels.

      Dad's solution (he's a doc himself) was simple:- exercise for 30 minutes on the exer-cycle every day, and no fried stuff (that's absolutely and totally no oil.... no french fries, no McD's, no nothing) from then on. A mere three months later, he lost five kgs and is now in fighting shape.

      Healthy living is bloddy simple people; some strong discipline and absolutely caring about what you eat and where. Nothing else is required.

    6. Re:Atkins? by mentalist23 · · Score: 1

      You can probably solve the problem just by adding some minimum about of carbs per day. I dunno, maybe a bowl or two of rice would be enough. But ask the doctor(s) in any case. Wow. That would be, like, a balanced diet. What a revolutionary concept, eh?

      --
      Unix does not prevent you from doing stupid things; that would also prevent you from doing clever things.
    7. Re:Atkins? by fendel · · Score: 1

      your susposed to take at least a month off from the diet before continuing agian

      What are you talking about? Have you read the book?

      You're supposed to do what most people call "Atkins" for two weeks--the meat, chicken, fish, eggs, cheese thing. Then increase your daily carb consumption by 5 grams per day, then add another 5 grams the following week, and so on, to find a level where you slowly lose weight. Most people who do this can eat plenty of salad and vegetables, maybe a little fruit. I eat "light" bread, berries, almonds, peanuts, and pistachios as part of my carb allotment.

      It's worth noting that some people stay on the first ("induction") level for months at a stretch and do fine. I have a friend who's been doing this--her cholesterol and triglycerides have dropped and her kidney function has improved. Her kidney specialist told her to keep doing what she's doing: her health has done nothing but radically improve since she began a low-carb diet.

    8. Re:Atkins? by 61Dynamic · · Score: 1
      My grandparents started using the diet 6 years ago and do it on occaison. They have the book and they also researched the ins and outs of it outside of what the book says.

      I would highly suggest your friend get a second opinion, as it is a fact that staying on the diet for too long can cause long term problems, regardless of how fine she seams to be doing right now.

    9. Re:Atkins? by fendel · · Score: 1

      My friend's regular doctor and her nephrologist both know she's on Atkins. Both of them have observed that every measurable indicator of health has improved over the several months she's been on the diet: creatinine, HDL, LDL, triglycerides, blood sugar... She's lost nearly 40 pounds and barely needs her insulin anymore (she's a type II diabetic). (For what it's worth, when I told my doctor that I'm on the diet, he commented that a number of his friends have had excellent results with it. Also, Atkins himself was a cardiologist.)

      The book does not say to take a month off. Seriously, read the book. Going on what your grandparents say is better than just going on hearsay from random strangers, but it still doesn't mean they've got it right. You're supposed to stay on a maintenance version of the diet indefinitely--and for most people, that probably means between 30 and 100 grams of carbohydrate per day after the initial weight-loss phases.

    10. Re:Atkins? by mink · · Score: 1

      try brown rice, much lower GI

      --
      Well I've wrestled with reality for thirty five years doctor, and I'm happy to say I finally won out over it.
  573. The secret is... by galtsavenger · · Score: 1

    I'm a canuck tech geek (got root eh?) and I was in the same boat until about six months ago. I'm 6' and I was 220lbs large. I've since dropped 45lbs and looking for a six pack before christmas. I'll tell you the steps I took: 1. Joined a karate club - pick some physical activity you like and join a club or get your spouse or kids into it. Karate is typically a twice a week thing, which is great. 2. Hired a Personal Trainer. PTs are not that expensive. Look at it this way - it's your health. If you stop smoking or stop drinking beer witht he boys you can more than afford the 50 bucks a week to have a trainer. 3. CHANGED MY DIET. I eat six small meals a day now. My girlfriend and I take turns making lunches which typically consist of a couple pieces of fruit, a baggie of chopped veggies, a fat free yogurt, some raw almonds and a sandwich (say no to mayo!) 4. I get my metabolism moving first thing in the morning. I'm a commuter, so I need to be on the train fairly early. I'm up at 5.40am to take a quick 30minute walk to get the body moving. I make sure I'm breating deeply the entire time to get the blood flowing everywhere. It's also a great opportunity to plan out my day. 5. Bought a Tony Robbins program. This is close to one of the best things I have done for myself in a long time (besides getting engaged). The man is an animal and helps you to develop and realize ultimate visions for yourself. Check him out. It may seem like a lot of time to commit but think about it this way. How much time do you spend a week doing things that don't really contribute to your life - surfing the internet, drinking beer, watching TV. Be honest with yourself. Now wouldn't it be worth it to convert some of that time (at least 30 minutes a day) to making your body a happy vessel for your soul/brain/whatever? A major paradigm shift helped for me - food now isn't something that I use to make me feel good (like that clubhouse sandwich, greasy fries and two pints of Keith's used to be) - it's fuel for my body. If I don't fuel my body properly, I will feel like crap. Put some water in your gas tank sometime and see what I mean. Take care of your body!! You don't get another one!

  574. Power-of-10 or such by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Power-of-10 is a workout that takes 20-30 minutes once a week, try it you may find it works for you also. It's not a new concept it just getting new press, it actually started back in the 80s.

  575. Zero-sum game by gardyloo · · Score: 1

    Heck, I figure I can forget celery. Beer has GOT to take more calories to down really, REALLY fast than it's got in it, right?

    The best solution, though, is to have officemates hide the goods. Not only do they get kudos for showing creativity, but one can't help but get into shape by gnawing through, say, a titanium-reinforced vault wall to get at the stuff. Everyone enjoys the game. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?!?

  576. Judo by Coram · · Score: 1

    I was an out of shape IT guy a couple of years ago. I saw some judo at the Sydney olympics and a week later started training. I currently compete at state level, with hopes of competing in the nationals next year.

    Would i have believed it if someone had said this would happen back in 2000? Hell no. I loathed physical exertion. Anything beyond kicking the football around at the park was too much. Now i realise why my attempts to get fit in the past failed miserably. They weren't fun.

    Finding a sport you can play regularly is the best way to get fit. If it isn't fun, you won't keep it up. Pick a sport, or a number of sports, that you can do at least 2 or 3 times a week. Choose them based on how much fun you think you will have doing them, not how intense you think they will be.

    Even now i have trouble sticking to a weights or running program simply because it's boring and uncomfortable. Now i have sporting goals to aim for and the fun of the sport is what drives me to train beyond what i otherwise would do.

    Contacting a local university sports association is a good way to start out. They will have a number of clubs and even if you don't want to train with them, they will get you thinking about the possibilities. There are a lot of fun activities out there and many of them you have either never heard of or thought of doing.

    Every year all their sport clubs get people joining who have never played any sport before or haven't played sports in years. Be one of them.

    --
    I say I ain't giving you no tree fiddy you goddamned Loch Ness monster, get yo own goddamned money!
  577. Who... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whose ass does it taste like? And can you compare?

    I mean, I'm willing to rim a playboy supermodel.

    But I wouldn't rim a guy even if it tasted like nectar.

    I'm weird like that.

  578. 5 easy steps by gardyloo · · Score: 1

    1. Brown-nose boss;
    2. Get boss to pay for your trip to a coding convention;
    3. Acquire "Microsoft is leet!" shirt;
    4. Walk by any linux area -- the more gamers around the better;
    5. Yell, loudly and repeatedly, "I hear even *nix dweebies can get laid these days!"

    No matter what happens, after the body pieces are sorted out (or you finish running like hell), I guarantee you'll have lost weight SOMEHOW.

  579. Re:FP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tuesday July 22, @03:11PM

  580. Re:Attention fucking lardass: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Sure you do, so do I.


    I just think assholes should die. Actually, I would like the job of killing them. Actually, I would do it for free.

  581. I *am* a geek... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and I took up Martial Arts 2 years ago (ninjutsu).

    I love it. Its been a life-changing experience.

    You just... have... to ... try it.

    Plus, I can kick your ass now (;-)

  582. Get a pair of Powerblocks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...here: http://www.powerblock.com/frame.html

    The appeal of these bad boys is that you can vary the weights and thus workout at a level that suits you, plus they take up little space.

    Hope that helps

  583. Get professional help - trainers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously! There are people out there called "personal trainers". They work with you to evaluate where you're at, help you set *attainable* goals, fix your nutrition (which is guaranteed to be shit, 'cause you live in the West), and check in with you every month to keep you on track. All you need to bring is goals and willpower.

    For all this, they'll charge you the princely sum of $50-$100 per hour, depending on where they work out of. Budget $100/month, max.

    And you know what? Being fit and healthy ROCKS. It's totally addictive, especially when you're coming to it after being a couch geek for a decade or so.

    For me, it was distance running that popped my toast. I have friends that do triathlon, race mountain bikes, whitewater kayak, whatever. But once you have the body to get out and do stuff, the world's a way more interesting place.

    So get off your ass, and get out there. Forget about trying to excercise in the office. Make time to get out and take care of your meatware, it's gotta last you a lifetime.

  584. Great Ab exercise by Easy2RememberNick · · Score: 1

    I saw this great abdominal exercise, it's for "that lower bulge even people who do crunches get." They said in the article on the website.
    Lie face down on the floor.
    Then support yourself on your forearms, palms down.
    Then support you lower body by pointing your toes, imagine you're a bridge.
    Hold this, with a straight back and neck, for as long as you can.
    That's it. The easiest ab exercise ever!

    The next step up is to get one of those exercise balls, the big plastic inflatable ones they're great for doing crunches.
    And don't forget the cardio!

  585. Getting into shape by Abyssus · · Score: 1

    Step 1 - Analyse your food consumption.
    As a rough guide use http://www.ast-ss.com/asp/weight.asp to calculate your protein, carb and fat intake.
    Record what you eat so you know how much protein, carbs, fat your digesting.

    Step 2 - Exercise
    30 minutes of cardiovascular work in the morning just before you have breakfast will give your metabolism a much needed a boost for the rest of the day burning more fat and giving you more energy.

    Theres realy only one way to burn fat, and thats to keep your pulse above your Target Heart Rate (THR) to calculate it see http://www.weightlossforgood.co.uk/target_heart_ra te_calculator.htm

    Metabolizing fat is an anerobic process, so if your not puffing and sweating, your not burning fat.

    So, to answer your question, take an exercise bike, or treadmill to work and a change of cloths. If your lucky there will be showers in the building, if not, you'll just have to stink. But better to be stinky than the a fat ol flubber-butt =)

  586. Cleanse your body by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you cleanse all that stuff out of your body, you'll lose that excess weight. Try www.boucha.isagenix.com

  587. Eat more and exercise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I lost 50 pounds in about 4 months doing the following (what I ending up finding) easy things:

    - start by eating 1/2 of what you ussually do...make up a plate of food as you normally would and throw half away until you get used to just taking half to start with.
    - eat every 3-4 hours 9AM breakfast take some fruit and cereal, 12 NOON for lunch - half sandwich, fruit, salad (lite dressing), 3:30 other half of the sandwich, 6:30 - 7 dinner (half of usual), 10 PM have a little snack
    - no cheese (funny you get used to no cheese)
    - lite beer (can't give it up totally)
    - desserts in moderation
    - count calories and consume less than you need to survive each day (I went to a 1700 - 2000 calorie a day program for a while, wasn't that hard...it was kind of fun to try to find tasty stuff that wasn't bad for you)
    - drink diet soda or water you will get used to it - zero calories
    - exercise - at least 30 minutes every other day of Cardio, walking, running, gyms have these cross training machines which are good when you just start to get going.

    enjoy the benefits.

  588. Just wait awhile... by xeo_at_thermopylae · · Score: 2, Funny

    Once all IT jobs are move offshore, losing weight and getting into shape will come quite naturally; it's difficult to eat when you have no income.

  589. Ummm... by autechre · · Score: 1

    Juicy Juice is 100% fruit juice. Always has been. And that's why I said "Ocean Spray 100%", which is their 100% fruit juice sub-brand. Sheesh.

    --
    WMBC freeform/independent online radio.
  590. OK, OK... by autechre · · Score: 1

    "benefits", not "befirts". I wasn't going to bother to correct it, but apparently they don't make context clues like they used to.

    That said, that was a pretty bad typo.

    --
    WMBC freeform/independent online radio.
  591. Ocean Spray _100%_ by autechre · · Score: 1

    That's why I qualified "Ocean Spray 100%". That is, amazingly enough, their 100% fruit juice sub-brand.

    --
    WMBC freeform/independent online radio.
  592. Re:Get up and do something!!!!! by Dan9999 · · Score: 1

    I agree with you, although it's not just walking. Stop being lazy, stand up instead of sitting down when you have a choice, get up and do things yourself, go to the store for whoever you're with. Being an active person makes a huge difference, I lost 50 pounds of computer weight just by deciding to not try to be as comfortable as possible in any situation, but to use every amount of energy that I have to do every little thing I do as best as possible. This has not only led me to lose more wight but has made me more aware of my surroundings, my thoughts are clearer, I have more will power... and I have an easier time with women :P

  593. The Engineer's Diet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You've already got the beer (make sure it's very cold), now all you need is pizza and ice cream!

    www.rfcafe.com/miscellany/humor/engineer_diet.ht m

  594. portion control by STUBBVECTOR · · Score: 1

    Portion control is the secret. Weight control is all about energy vs energy consumed. I learned this lesson via ediets.com. I lost 5 kgs, my wife 10kgs. I realised often I was just eating because it felt good, not because I was hungry. I'm not a schill for ediets either - it simply worked well for me.

  595. Difference between overweight and skinny people by Linuxathome · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remembered a presentation a while back ago about the difference between overweight people and skinny people. There was a study whereby a group of people were given the same amount of calories in their diet. They lived within a confined space, at the same time. At the end, with the same amount of food eaten by all, some gained as much as 15 pounds and others didn't. The difference between these two groups? The individuals who gained the least amount of weight tended to be people who fidgeted a lot more. They tended to shake their leg while sitting more often, and got up and out of their seat more often. The take home message? Well, maybe try to move around more often, even simple repetitive "useless" movements may help (and no, I don't mean the M word, that'll probably get you fired).

  596. Go to the Gym 3 times a week by Gooblian · · Score: 1

    I just go to the Gym 3 times a week all you need is a little motivation and a few dollars

  597. Advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lots of people trying to be clever here, no good advice.
    I'm 50, close to 300 lbs. I do ride a bike to work drink over 2 liters of water a day, and try to watch what I eat. I picked up a lot of the weight after I laid off a regular exercise program. I'm trying to get back on it now. The 12 miles a day on the bike just isn't enough.
    For years, I did the Canadian Air Force plan. Simple, only takes about 15 Minutes in the morning, and can take you from invalid level up to Professional Athlete level. (At the Professional level, it won't be all you do, just a warm up for it.) It aims to get all the major muscles groups moving and stretched, with around 6 minutes of aerobics. Has about the best ballance of any short program I've seen. If it isn't short, you won't do it.
    Diet is harder, for me, anyway. There are lots of fad diets out there. Atkins is the current Diet God, but remember, if any eating plan makes you lose weight 'effortlessly' it's messing up your metabolism. Approach Carefully. In the Atkins case, it'll do a number on your liver and kidneys. (So will the beer, for that matter. You may not care.)The best advise for diet is to distract yourself. Allow what you think is sensible, then go do something else. Friends help, if you have any. If not, try to find some. To find a friend, be a friend. Trite, but true.
    The way you say you're going, you will have back problems before you have serious endurance or strength problems. Not fun. Exercise, even light stretching and calisthenics will help prevent that.
    Avoid going to a gym and killing yourself for hours all at once. You might just really kill yourself. No quick fix will work. Work into any program gradually. The older you are, the slower you should work up. 20's, rush it. 30's, Let up just a little. 40's Pace yourself. 50's , accept a slower improvement. 60's, be glad you can still do it at all. You can still reach as high, it'll just take a little longer to get there.
    On diet, accept slow progress to where you think your weight and waist should be. Watch to see if you are improving or not. Expect to slip sometimes, and correct whenever you notice it.
    Remember, we can't control what we can't measure. Recored where you are, on both exercise and diet (weight). When I was 20, weight was not a problem. After thirty, it gets harder.

    Trust me, it's true.

    Good luck. You may need it.

  598. Amen by spoco2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I agree with all of your points... it rarely works to try some boring exercise plan that requires labourious and repetitive tasks... people generally just won't stick to it (some love it... yeay for them)... the only way is either make it fun, like you did, or just make it part of the day.

    When my wife and I were looking for a house one of the 'nice to haves' was a place that wasn't too close to a train station that I got no exercise walking to it but not so far away that I couldn't be bothered walking... we found a place around 1.5ks (around a mile) away, and so now I walk that distance twice a day... it's excellent to wake you up both in the morning and for the evening at home (makes me less tired), and keeps me in shape more than driving into work every day would.

    Yeay to you.

  599. Exercise. by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1
    Sign up at the local 24 hour gym and go early in the morning before work. Don't forget to eat a good nutritious breakfast. Working out for an hour each morning will get all the parts moving, like the little gears and pullies and whatever else is in your body. Not to mention that your brain will work *much* better. You'll be tired and sore for the first few weeks, but stick with it and within a month you'll realize that you've never felt better in your whole life.

    If reducing the amount of beer you drink by, say, 4% over the next six months is an option, I suggest you try that, too. But it's not mandatory. (I drink too much beer, too.)

  600. Nutritionists have no more credibility by Loundry · · Score: 1

    Notice how people who eat a lot of fried food get fat? That's right. Fat makes you fat. Shocking, I know, but it's true.

    It would be nice if you were to actually do a study on people who ate 1. a lot of fried, non-breaded foods, verses 2. a lot of fried, breaded foods rather than relying on peoples' "noticing" things.

    any fat in your poo gives you nasty diarrhea, which I'm assuming isn't an attractive solution.

    Neither I nor any of my family or friends (dozens) who have been on Atkins have had this problem.

    I guarantee you, if I eat 1 pound of carbs, and you eat 1 pound of fat, you will put on twice the weight as you consume (more than) twice the calories.

    Likewise, nutritionists guaranteed that a low-fat diet with lots of carbs (including bread and pasta with no differentiation between "good" and "bad" carbs) would make one lose weight. This turned out to be false.

    A nearly all-fat diet is bad because, while you're satisfied (fat digests slowly), you also consume massive amounts of calories.

    You are beating up a strawman. Atkins is low-carb, not all-fat.

    Bottom line is the Atkins diet is dangerous, containing way too much saturated fat, cholesterol, and calories from fat, and too much protein can be bad on the kidneys.

    Dozens of my family and friends (myself included) have used the Atkins diet, lost weight, and suffered no ill effects, despite the dire warnings about "bad for the kidneys".

    Eat a balanced diet low in simple carbs, substituting complex carbs instead, and you'll do well.

    And so the story changes. Before, it was "eat a diet high in carbs, and low in fats and oils." Now, it is, "eat a diet high in complex carbs, low in simple carbs, and low in fats and oils." Sorry, but the nutritionists lost their credibility the first time around. I have to see evidence if you want me to adopt your point-of-view. Merely spouting off scary warnings about gaining weight, kidney damange, and diarrhea isn't going to cut it, particularly after I've seen so many find such wonderful success with the Atkins diet.

    Furthermore, you have quite the nerve to call the previous poster "100% wrong". You have already admitted that you were at least wrong about the "simple carbs" verses the "complex carbs" thing (not that I belive your story, but you can't deny that you're backpedaling if you believed that the carb-heavy "food pyramid" was, at one time, valid).

    --
    I don't make the rules. I just make fun of them.
  601. You're using this to criticize Atkins? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    You should actually read what he says. In the newer book "Atkins for Life" he acknowledges that the Glycemic Index is in fact too simplistic and he rates the various kinds of carbs in a more thorough way (Carb Ladder), including allowing for eating more of some kinds that were previously on the "bad" list (and vice-versa IIRC). Just as your link suggests, each type of carb is being evaluated on its own now.

    I too find that it's much easier to criticize something based on the rumors about it than based on what it ACTUALLY SAYS or IS!

    Let's look at this chart you cite! In the chart "Insulin and Glucose Scores of 38 Foods"-- which foods have the lowest scores (lower=better)??? Cheese! Eggs! Beef! Fish! Peanuts! All-Bran! yummy stuff. And the worst scores? Bread, potatoes, french fries, candy, crackers. Hmmm. In other words, Atkins was mostly correct in New Diet Revolution... now he's even more correct.

    I'd be curious to see a similar test on green leafy veggies. Atkins says to eat mainly the darkest ones because they contain more vitamins per g.

    Of course Atkins agrees that getting lots of exercise is "non-negotiable".

  602. Walk everywhere by trouser · · Score: 1

    I used to walk absolutely everywhere irrespective of the weather. I was thin, healthy and felt good.

    I am no longer single and it is very difficult to talk a woman into walking 20kms in the rain when we have a perfectly serviceable car, access to PT and enough disposable income to justify all too frequent use of taxis.

    Now I am not so thin, not so healthy and I'm always out of breath when I get to the top of the stairs.

    If you have a girlfriend leave her. And start walking.

    --
    Now wash your hands.
  603. Atkins secret: blood sugar management by lushmore · · Score: 1

    Yes, excess carbs do get turned to fat. However, so do excess protein and excess fat. The difference is that carbs and protein are 4 cal/gram, while fat is 9 cal/gram. You do the math.

    Protein and fat do not raise your blood sugar levels, causing your body to produce insulin. Many people produce too much insulin, driving down blood sugar, causing tiredness and hunger. The "secret" of the Atkins diet is blood sugar management. This cannot be overstated. The Atkins diet is a low calorie diet, but you're never know it because your stable blood sugar means you never feel hungry. You plan a healthy well rounded menu until you're blue in the face, but if you're hungry all the time you will always fail to stay on it. Atkins works because the food you eat is satisfying and your stable blood sugar keeps you from feeling hungry.

    Bottom line is the Atkins diet is dangerous, containing way too much saturated fat, cholesterol, and calories from fat, and too much protein can be bad on the kidneys. Eat a balanced diet low in simple carbs, substituting complex carbs instead, and you'll do well.

    The Atkins diet is extreme, and extremes can be dangerous. There's no question that being fat is dangerous. If you're concerned about Atkins, check out _The_Good_Carb_Cookbook_ or any number of diabetic cookbooks which place emphasis on food with a low glycemic load (do not cause blood sugar to spike).

    For what it's worth, I've lost 54 lbs. on Atkins, had no complications, and cut my triglycerides from 131 (desirable) to 76 (really desirable), and my cholesterol is under 200. The fact that I got there by eating steak and buffalo wings ought to tell you that the conventional wisdom isn't necessarily right. Currently I eat a more traditional "healthy" diet with lots of fruit & veggies, but no starches or sugars, and I've never been healthier in my life.

  604. complaining about you "little belly" is for whimps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....real geeks don't give a shit

  605. "thermodynamics," my bloated red ass! by Reneumann · · Score: 1
    This deserves a better reply than I can afford right now, but simple refutation: corn and peanuts are sources of human-usable calories. If you eat them in any quantity--lets say, going by an accepted nutritional table and a food scale, several hundred kcals worth--and then poop later, you will (if you have not pureed them prior to ingestion, and most likely even if you have) find undigested corn and peanuts in your poop (use a strainer and a hose for convenience) equivalent to a significant portion of those still usable calories which were simply discarded, unused, because they are not easily digested by humans during the limited time they passed thru the various stages of your GI tract (but they are human-digestable, unlike, say, plant fiber/cellulose, which would pass through undigested regardless of the time it spent in any part[s] of your GI tract). Corn and peanuts are among the most visibly convenient ways to show this, but it applies to many foods; the foods it least applies to are refined and/or simple carbs of various sorts, which are digested and either metabolized or added to fat stores with tremendous speed and efficiency.

    If the misused second law of thermodynamics as applied to food were in fact relevant in the way you suggest, the excretion of undigested food would locally corrupt the structure of the universe as it is currently understood, a singularity would emerge (a black hole?) and you and your surroundings would collapse into your own rectum. Weight gain is not simply a function of energy "going in", as in being consumed, but also of the processes via which your GI system is able to convert food into a storable form at a rate which outpaces your ongoing use of calories for varied metabolic processes.. in a sense the idea you're trying to convey is correct (the idea that people who try all kinds of dietary modifications other than cutting caloric intake to lose weight are misguided), but suggesting that the energy conservation principle of the 2nd law can be directly applied to food ingestion and caloric expenditure/storage (as anything more than a very, very rough rule of thumb) is very misleading.

    1. Re:"thermodynamics," my bloated red ass! by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      Joke *** So what you're implying is that anyone who wants to lose weight should take a shot of olive oil before every meal. ** Ed Joke.

      Look, the people w. weight issues aren't eating just lettuce and corn - they're eating the high-calorie, easily digested junk, and what goes into the mouth goes to fat. It's not like they're actually following a diet (studies show that people on diets misjudge the size/portion that they're eating).

      The best way to get them to lose weight is to change their diet, not as a temporary measure, but permanently. After all, as every dieter knows, :a waist is a terrible thing to mind".

      So, you can either give them a "diet", which doesn't change their longings for the high-carb junk, or you can get them to the point where they're so grossed out on it that they don't even want to see junk food anymore. The latter approach is what I recommend.

  606. Smoking? by mrselfdestrukt · · Score: 2, Funny

    Man, I wonder if starting to smoke will make you lose weight cause I gained 30 pounds in a year just by quitting. And I'm not eating more than I used to or snacking more. Boohoo

    --
    "I used to have that really cool,funny sig ,but it got stolen."
    1. Re:Smoking? by GuNgA-DiN · · Score: 1

      30?!?! You lucky bastard! When I quit I weighed 185 lbs. Now, I'm pushing 240. Total gain = 55 lbs. But, I started smoking again... let's hope those pounds start to melt away again. I'll die of lung cancer... but, at least I'll be skinny.

  607. Glycemic Index vs. Atkins by lamontg · · Score: 1
    I've lost 25 lbs this year through following a diet based on the glycemic index. It is based on eating an FDA recommended amount of carbs but sticking to low-glycemic foods like fruits (primarily) and whole wheats and staying away from the white bread and potatoes. I've also had the most success with the diet when I'm also low-calorie and low-fat at the same time as being low-glycemic. When I can't maintain all three (usually through eating too much fatty red meat) I tend to just keep my weight constant, but when I start cheating on the high-GI carbs I wind up putting a few pounds back on.

    Anyway, I've found Atkins to be overly-simplistic and I've successfully lost weight through a diet which according to the Atkins people you can't lose weight on. At the same time I'm not putting my health at risk through eating too much bad fat or through the effects of ketogenic diets (and my breath doesn't smell).

    Also, you get the same benefits: higher HDL, lower LDL, reduction/elimination of type II diabetes risk and reduced blood sugar volatility. And I've got a more varied diet (my diet is a super-set of the Atkins diet) and is more sustainable over the long term.

    It also makes a lot more sense anthropologically. Humans have been able to not gain weight off of both high fat animal product diets *and* low fat high carb diets, but it has been since we've gotten such a highly glycemic diet that the obesity epidemic in industrialized countries has exploded (and its worst in the US where high fructose corn syrup is added to *everything*).

  608. Aerobic Exercise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Run or Bike. Most people need 30 minutes of aerobic exercise 5 days a week. You will feel much better if you do this.

  609. Get a Ping Pong Table by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a ping pong table!

    It does not take that much space, is relatively cheap, can entertain many people, and when competition starts to kick in, it can help to burn quite a few calories.

    I'm not a big sport fan, but ping pong really got me and most of the engineering addicted, it's great fun and a great exercice when a few of your co-workers start to get a little competitive.

  610. Yah, stop eating like a typical first world rich.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. pig and try some honest physical effort.

    Sheesh, people are starving and this is the best you can whine about. Definitely a clear cut case of stupid rich people syndrome at work. You poor sad lost soul.

  611. find an activity you enjoy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've battled with a spare tire just about my entire life. I've tried diets and aerobics and averything else. I found out that what was holding me back was the dread and inconvenience of the diet/exersize. I discovered that I really enjoy riding my bike. That solved everything.

  612. My experience by Caedar · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty young (14, nearly 15), and I'm a bit overweight from the average kis my age (5' 7", 175-180), I was in much worse shape a year ago, though (5' 5 1/2", 195). Generally I needed two things: Problem #1: Exercise that I LIKED. Generally all exercise seemed like a waste of my time, where I could be doing other things. I would exercise, and get bored! Same darn motion over and over and over again. It just wasn't my thing. Solution: Based on the fact that I love computer programming and video games, I found Dance Dance Revolution. Thankfully a few of my friends liked it, too, so we started going to the arcade. I soon after that got a home pad, and I've been doing that every day or two for about 45 minutes, with some short breaks inbetween. Generally on the harder songs, that's long enough of a time to really get some good exercise. Problem #2: I was consuming too many simple sugars, snacks, etc. Solution: This went hand in hand with beginning to play DDR. As I played, after every song or two I would need a quick refresh. Generally whenever I wanted a drink before I started playing I would drink soda, but I noticed as I began playing that it just didn't satisfy me. I began drinking gobs and gobs of water while I was playing. By the time I was finished, I really didn't feel like having soda anymore. I also began drinking tea for when I wasn't playing. Now in a year, I have a much less stocky body overall. My calves are very toned, and slowly but surely I'm still losing more and more weight.

    1. Re:My experience by cruachan · · Score: 1

      Also consider giving martial arts a try. Similarly I could never see the point of working out at the gym, or running or swimming for no purpose - and like many geeks competitive team sports don't really appeal. Martial arts however give you a defined set of goals, yourself yo compete against at your own rate, and a sense of doing something for a purpose.

      Personally I'd recommend Tae Kwon Do because it's places a great deal of emphasis on flexibility (it's cured my back problems anyway). Also myself I've found I prefer a school where there's some form of contact sparing because for me systems loose a sense of reality if you don't do that - at least on an occassional basis. YMMV of course.

  613. Move to Europe... by sdflkgfljdqshgjkqsfg · · Score: 1

    Where the average meal size is less than half that of our american counterparts (american friends allways wonder at how small our BigMacs are.. really). Snacking on greasy/sugary things 24/7 doesn't seem to be pre-requisite to a balanced life either.

    That should take car of step one (food) by itself.
    Step 2 is physical activity. Don't jog, everyone knows it's as boring as hell. Pushups? Situps? boring. swimming? fun for 30 seconds. Find something you enjoy, how? Try some new sports: try rockclimbing (really sculpts the body), basketball, [god-forbid] soccer, rollerblading ANYTHING! If you like it, you will come back.

    Oh and finally if you really need to lose weight fast, stop drinking beer for two weeks. OR pick up smoking, nothing's a better food-substitute than a cigarette.
    Hope that helps! Good luck!
    Oh, and stop running up and down stairs at the office, you probably DO look like a moron!

    --
    how does one change his /. id?
  614. Sweat like you've never sweated before by l0rd · · Score: 1

    The only way to REALLY lose weight (and keep it away) is to excersize daily. 1,5 hours a day at your local gym of running and weights until you lose the weight. After that just going once or twice a week should suffice. If you have a decent metabolism you should be able to keep eating and drinking what you want (except for the beer, alcohol makes you sleepy).

    The first step is the hardest but once you've made excersize a regular part of your week you get used to it.

  615. Never listen to negative sceptics by Steeltoe · · Score: 1

    From the link of the sceptic:
    Finally, strong evidence now indicates that not all of the prescribed fluid need be in the form of water. Careful peer-reviewed experiments have shown that caffeinated drinks should indeed count toward the daily fluid intake in the vast majority of persons. To a lesser extent, the same probably can be said for dilute alcoholic beverages, such as beer, if taken in moderation.

    So he recommends caffeinated drinks and beer???

    Actually, both is commonly known to be dehydrating.

    Taken from the googled link: Hydrating beverages foster proper retention and use of water in normal, healthy body processes. Bottled water, tap water, juice, milk and carbonated soda without caffeine are all hydrating beverages.

    The most common dehydrating beverages are coffee, tea, carbonated soda with caffeine, beer, wine and other alcoholic drinks. They are diuretics, meaning they foster fluid output, first in the form of increased urine production. Of course, if dehydration progresses, increasingly serious adverse effects occur..


    I might add that when they talk about "tea" in this context, they are really meaning black tea. Fruit-, green-(to a lesser extent) and spice teas without caffeine (eg. Auyrvedic) should be hydrating, from my experience at least.

    I'm all for being moderate, and some people always do TOO much of a good thing. But drinking water is GOOD for your body and mind. It detoxicates your body and freshens organs and tissue, so your skin will be healthier and less dry. Nothing is as good as pure water (without CO2) for this purpose.

    No, we don't NEED a high intake of water to survive, but it will do us good. A healthy body is not something this guy understands I think, because you will feel what is good for your own body yourself! And beer and caffeine is not it!!

    Negative sceptics want to destroy, you can read it between the lines in his article. They don't come with positive and constructive messages.

  616. Significant digits... by xtrat · · Score: 0
    uhmm, I just thought I would be an ass and point out that you should either remove the ".25" from the denominator or change your response to "~= 136.89".

    Of course, if you went with the later it would certainly beg the question, "what is .89 sex"? If you are willing to overlook/justify the subtraction of 0.2 the response is easy. If not, I think I will have to refer you to Clinton for the answer...

    --
    I give up, some one get me when Elvis returns...
    1. Re:Significant digits... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like a 69, but with 20 extra goodness.

  617. mind your body ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this isn't really to keep fit but it helps to remind you to have breaks - it actually gives you exercises to do, but I just use it to help remember looking after my body. It's software for Windows - download at www.ergominder.com - I am not associated with the publisher so this is not a plug!

  618. Don't just lose wait -- gain muscle by PGillingwater · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm thinking that trying just to lose weight is a very negative goal. Instead, you should be trying to convert fat to muscle, and build fitness and energy levels. Best option for doing this I've seen is this approach: Body For Life.

    Check out some of the "before" and "after" pictures on that website. Those are ordinary people, who found that a simple commitment to fitness and exercise can really change your life.

    --
    Paul Gillingwater
    MBA, CISSP, CISM
  619. Infect yourself with AIDS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aren't AIDS patient always looking thin. You won't ever have to exercise again.

  620. No carbohydrates by ajs318 · · Score: 1

    Protein has about 4kcal / g, carbohydrate about 4kcal / g, fat about 9 kcal/g. Recall 1kcal = enough energy to make 1kg of water 1 degree C hotter = about 4kJ. The thing you need to realise is that not every calorie you put into your body gets turned into useful energy. Some of it is expended in movement, some of it is stored as fat {according to the First Law of Thermodynamics, manufacturing 1kg. of fat should cost your body 9000kcal} and the rest passes through undigested. {You can prove this by drying out some faeces and seeing whether or not it burns. You actually could measure the calories in shit this way. Weigh it while it is fresh and moist, of course.}

    But protein requires a lot of moisture to digest. If you don't have enough available water, then your gutful of protein will get shat out mostly undigested. This lowers your metabolic efficiency.

    Throttling back your metabolism could be a more successful way of losing weight than reducing calorific intake. If you go on a "traditional" diet, your stomach shrinks and your metabolic efficiency rises. So, if you were on 2000kcal/day and passing out 500kcal/day undigested {75% efficiency}, then you dropped to 1500kcal/day, your metabolic efficiency might start to improve so you were only wasting 150kcal/day {90% efficiency}. Go suddenly back up to 2000kcal/day, and your body will initially be taking in 1800kcal/day - 300 more than before - and you'll almost certainly put on weight while your efficiency readjusts back down. {Note: These figures are just wild guesses to serve as examples. I have no real measured data. Experimentation is required .....}

    As a corollary, it should be possible to lose weight temporarily by eating more! If you increase your calorific intake, so your metabolic efficiency goes down, then it should stay down for awhile when you go back to normal.


    Or, of course, you could just learn to accept the way you are. I've seen people fantasise about changing other people and mostly they get disappointed. What's to suggest that you're going to have any better luck with changing yourself?

    --
    Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
    1. Re:No carbohydrates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can prove this by drying out some faeces and seeing whether or not it burns. You actually could measure the calories in shit this way. Weigh it while it is fresh and moist, of course.

      Sonny, you've got *way* too much free time.

  621. Hacker's Diet by mclazarus · · Score: 1

    I also sit on my butt for a living. I was 298.5 pounds in November 2001. I dropped to 218.5 by mid May 2002. All following most of the advice in The Hacker's Diet. And going to the gym about 5 - 7 days a week at 5AM. More discussion here. But there is only one way to burn fat off of your body, create a caloric imbalance where you are inputing less energy into your body then you are expending. Good luck.

  622. Eat More Often by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw a nutritionalist once, after joining a gym. His advice was to eat more often, but in smaller amounts. He reckoned that long periods without eating (e.g. missing lunch) cause your body to adapt and reduce its energy use - which you don't want it to do if you're trying to burn up energy.

    Don't know if it's true, but it seemed to work (along with eating less and exercising more...)

  623. Chainsaw by Bubblesculpter · · Score: 1



    I just got a Chainsaw today, and it looks like a good excersise machine.

    Not only can you unleash all your built up stress on defenseless trees, but you get your muscles worked out by maintaining control of the chainsaw.

    I recommend a STIHL if you want quality that lasts...

    BTW, I moved from the barren deserts of Arizona to Louisiana and have 7 acres of riverfront wetlands and pine forest that I need to clear enough trees to build a house. Cut the first couple trees today, and can't wait to clear the rest. (Not to mention making weird sculptures out of the fallen logs.)

    --
    www.Beyond7.com Insane modern art water sculpture.
  624. The secret to losing weight by jandersen · · Score: 1

    Wow, you've been caught out in a blizzard of shit, mate.

    To lose weight is simple, in a way: eat less than you need. How to accomplish this can be a little tricky, though. This is what I do:

    First of all I swim 1 hour every morning - this is not to lose weight as such, but simply to get exercise in a way that I like. The advantage of swimming is that it's not a team sport and you don't feel quite as bothered when you sweat; also it builds muscles all over your body and helps you avoid pain in the back and shoulders (which is why I started in the first place).

    Secondly, I eat strategically: I find that I can tolerate being hungry when I do something interesting, which is most of the morning and afternoon, so I eat ligthly in the morning and for lunch (and only those two meals!). Eg. for lunch I have a bowl of sweet corn and a bowl of peas with a bit of raw onion and a few walnuts (with salt). Also I don't mind going to bed hungry, so I tend to cut out the evening meal all week days and only prepare dinner in the weekend. Instead I have eg. half a melon or similar.

    This probably sounds radical - but it works for me and it isn't all that hard either; one gets used to it. I do feel rather wasted in the evening, but I find that it is possible to be active anyway - once you get started it feels OK, it's just the getting started that's tough.

    I think the basic message here is:

    1. Exercise
    2. Tolerate being hungry

    What I particularly like about this diet is that it is cheap. I only buy very basic foods; no mysterious powders or dubious pills, no attending extremely expensive 'health clubs'. I save money with this life style, and I have got more energy.

    One more thing: get somebody to check your weight regularly, like once a month. The thought of 'losing face' helps strengthen your resolve a lot, I find. Plus, it can be difficult judging your progress otherwise. I have gone to my control weighing feeling that I must have put on a lot only to find out that I had lost several pounds - because changing the diet can make you feel bloated and fat. And I have gone there thinking I was doing very well, but discovering that I had gained.

    It's about learning a new lifestyle without getting trapped in the world of lifestyle junk out there.

  625. Re:Get a Bicycle-Score! Two points. by me.at.work · · Score: 1

    Get some good wintertires, with studs. I have a pair of Nokian Extreme 296 at winter, and it's more or less like riding in the summer. (Minus the heat of course) After a couple a rides you'll be taking corners like nothing and if you do fall there's usually a lot of snow to break the fall.

  626. Don't run down stairs. Run up stairs. by todu · · Score: 1

    Don't run down stairs. Run up stairs. I've worked as a paperboy for one year and didn't listen to ppl saying it would be more damaging to the knees if I ran downstairs. "Yeah right", I thought. "Of course it's better to run down stairs. It feels easier and must therefore also _be_ easier (on the knees)".

    But after 75% of a year my knees suddenly started to hurt. After just a few days they hurt so much I could barely walk even on ordinary road that tilted downwards just 5 or 10 degrees. If the road tilted up, I didn't feel any problem.

    I drew the conclusion that I probably should at least try the absurd idea of running upwards the stairs and taking the elevator down, instead. The same day I incorporated that simple change, I could walk downhill again.

    ..but: There is a slight pain in my knees from that day on if I walk great distances. Just slight enough to remind me of me being stubborn enough to follow my own logic. But I guess that is a price you have to pay to become such an enlighted individual as I ;).

    P.S.

    I tried to search the discussion to see if anyone had already warned you about running down stairs. But I couldn't get all the comments on the same webpage so I could do a text-search using my browsers built-in search function. There were over ten pages of comments at mod 0+. And ./'s search function could only search for the word "run" inside subjects - not bodies. Am I missing a feature here?

  627. da cheng chuan by PurpleWizard · · Score: 1

    I suggest http://www.da-cheng-chuan.org/. It used to work for me and is suprisingly hard work. I do yoga and run now though.

    Combine that "stand still be fit" with your running up and down the stairs (and perhaps skipping with a rope) a few times a week to give your heart a few minutes at a highly raised rate (which is supposed to protect it).
    Sorted.

  628. Re:Fight by Placido · · Score: 1

    Agreed. But only pick fights with underlings cause bosses tend to get vindictive when they lose. In my last job I took out my manager with a sweet left hook and she fired me the next day for secual harrasment.

    Wait... did he say fidget or fight?

    --

    Pinky: "What are we going to do tomorrow night Brain?"
    Brain: "I would tell you Pinky but this 120 char limi
  629. There's a 5BX palm app too (mine) by GlenRaphael · · Score: 1
    I still have a ways to go, myself, but I can tell you it works.
    http://flwd.com/5bx/main/index.html

    People who pick 5BX might find this of use: I wrote a palm app to help keep track of all the 5BX level information so you don't have to keep big, complicated paper charts around. You can find the program at PalmGear. It's still under development, so please send feedback if you find any bugs or have feature requests.

    -Glen Raphael
    raphael@pobox.com

    --
    I play Nerd-Folk!
  630. Stand up by true_havana · · Score: 1

    I am in the military as a computer geek, so not only am I geek I have to stay in shape. I find that if I stand up every now and then and maybe move around in your chair. I also do the ride the bike to work thing.

  631. Whats in it for you? by jamie(really) · · Score: 1

    First question to ask is "Why am I doing this?" If you dont know the answer to that one then nothing will work. Secondly, if the answer is because "I dont want to be fat", you'll likely find that that wont work either. At the end of the day, being fat isnt such a terrible thing. When confronted with a choice involving hardship (exercise, healthy food) or convenience (lazy, McDonalds), its all to easy to choose convenience. "Not being fat" just isnt a good enough reason. Hell, 60% of Americans are overweight, so it cant be that bad!

    So what would light you up? I had two answers:

    1. I'm having a baby, and I want to be able to carry her up the two flights of stairs to our appartment, and generally for my wife to have a big strong husband to depend on.

    2. To be able to relentlessly f*** the living daylights out of my wife as soon as she's recovered.

    As a result of this, I'm motivated to do 2-3 hours of cardio per week, in addition to a weights routine twice a week. My weight is hanging around 220lbs, which is technically overweight for my 6'2 height, but now the bulk is muscle rather than fat. I'm still working on the weight, as my blood pressure is still indicating that I'm too fat, but its all in hand and I'm getting constant remarks about how great I look.

    Once you are motivated you will find it possible to make the neccessary choices. I make time for an hour of cardio, plus 30 minutes shower time, every monday, wednesday and friday. I have exercise bikes in the building. Tuesday and thursday I travel 5 minutes to the local gym, and spend about an hour there, before returning to work. I've also managed to do a slightly less rigorous routine while porting Resident Evil 2 to the N64, as did the project leader. We both worked 14 hour days, often 7 days a week. A great workout is beneficial for good coding, and if your boss doesnt get it then find a better job! Thats one of those choices I was talking about : when your job gets in the way of your health and motivation, find a new job. I havent yet had to say to my boss, "What can you say to me that is more important than carrying my baby safely or f****** my wife relentlessly?", but then he founded a fitness company, so I dont think I'll have to.

    When you first start working out, you will probably feel tired afterwards. Keep at it. It will pass after a few weeks (4-10).If you work out during work hours, find ways to deal with it. Work later if you have to. Gym's are less busy during the day, and may even be cheaper. If you can afford a trainer, get one. Even if you cant afford one all the time, ask if one will be willing to set you up once, and then see you again in a month. Trainers live to make you healthy and educate themselves constantly. Find one that shares the same fitness goals as you: if you want a body builder physique, talk to a body builder, but if you want a leaner, runner look, then talk to one that looks like a runner. Finally, dont be intimidated down the gym. The massive, bulked up, tattooed guy is probably the nicest guy there. When they see you showing up regularly, you'll automatically earn their respect.

    Diet: Eat 5 servings of fruit and vegetables per day (and I'm not counting potatoes or simple carbs). Sounds simple doesnt it! I promise you, if you can manage it, your whole diet will change. For example, I find it really hard to enjoy vegetables with the sweet mixture of phosphoric acid, caffeine and sugar (or aspartame) in my mouth and stomach. To meet your 5 servings, you'll naturally find other unhealthy things become less appealing.

    If you live in London, and are a games programmer, send me a CV. We make exercise bikes with video games on. We have four in the office. I made a choice about my health. You can too.

  632. My secret is so simple it's hardly ever considered by Qbertino · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have a whole bunch of friends in the IT industry all going fat. I'm a little better off because im only in the IT mill for a few years having studied stage dance before :-). Stage dancers, especially ballet dancers are the people with the least body fat ratio.
    Now, especially with my wife into really good cooking, I often notice that I eat beyond my appetite. I'm absolutely shure that people who become fat in 'sitting jobs' have the same problem. Far to often do they eat beyond their appetite, be it due to frustration or just bad habit.
    Whenever I notice that I have to widen my belt by a hole I simply eat less. Period. I switch from a 3 course meal to Ramen and Broth. I don't eat 2 buns with peanutbutter and chocolate in the morining, I eat one. I don't take 3 balls of Icecream I take 1 and so forth. I do this for 3 weeks and then I'm down to ideal weight again.
    The problem overweight people often have is that they then tend to be disturbed by the slightest notion of not feeling absolutely fed up and allways have to think about eating. They often also eat because it's dinner time and not because their really hungry. The best way to handle this is to learn not to center your life around eating. I actually had times when I wouldn't eat for a day or two simply because I was so occupied with other things that are far more interresting. It's really strange when you get really *hungry* (when the last time you're been really *HUNGRY*?) at 11o'clock at night and then come to notice that your last food is 36 hrs away :-). I also can get very anoyed at my wife when she thinks I *must* eat because it's dinnertime.
    Bottom Line:
    Apart from other things I'd suggest that have been mentioned allready (check out the Aikido posting further down, it's right on!) the solution for tendency to overweight is so simple it hurts: If you're gaining weight simply switch your diet and/or eat less.

    --
    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
  633. simple by shidda · · Score: 1
    If you are serious about loosing weight, then just stop drinking alcohol, and you will see the weight come off and your Liver will be very happy to :). A good definition of Alcoholism and its effects can be found here.

    When you stop drinking and wasting your time at the Pub/Bar you will feel more happy more energetic and have more time to concentrate on important things in life, such as family and not to mention the money you will save.

    Shidda

  634. 10 Simple rules for staying in shape by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    1) no junk food

    2) don't eat when you're not hungry (and I mean hunger, not appetite, they're completely different). Hunger is the physical need for food - appetite is the desire to eat.

    3) don't eat within 2 hours of going to bed

    4) eat a healthy diet including fruits, vegetables, and lots of fluids. I can't emphasize the importance of fluid intake enough.

    5) Avoid low carb/high protein diets or other crash/fad diets that don't work

    6) exercise regularly, and by regularly I mean every day. Of course, Consult your physician before beginning any exercise program. Most experts I've heard say that you should elevate your heart rate to at least 60% of your max (which is said to be 220-AGE) for at least 1 hour every day.

    7) avoid simple sugars like the plague, especially HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP! Fruit sugars are okay in moderation, but concentrated sugars are TERRIBLE for you. Don't eat ANYTHING that has HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP in it!!! This includes Powerbars, soda, some energy gels, candy, just about any sweetened liquid, etc.

    8) read food labels on stuff you eat. If there's anything you can't pronounce, don't eat it.

    9) no meat. Meat itself isn't bad, but you almost can't buy meat in the U.S. that isn't pumped full of hormones, antibiotics, pesticides, and other harmful and carcinogenic chemicals. Same goes for Eggs, Milk, Cheese, and most other dairy products. Even products that claim to be hormone and antibiotic free are not. They are simply below the thresholds that the USDA allows.

    10) Don't eat anything that requires a tool to get to (i.e. can opener)

    ***************

    Know what you put into your body. Treat your body well, and it will treat you well. 90% of staying in shape is managing what you feed to your body. The other 10% is exercise.

  635. Swimming by CCRancor · · Score: 1

    Start to swim, not only is it cheaper than the average gym, but the girls have nicer outfits too :)
    Also, it doesn't put any strain on hips and knees (as running does) so you can do it for the rest of your life.

    --
    Open source is the art of letting other people write your bad code.
  636. We are all different by selfsealingstembolt · · Score: 1

    You see, every body works different. Although the western medicine wants to make us believe we are all equal, that is simply not true.

    I do not want to say medicine is wrong. They have lots of really cool results. But metabolism works little bit different in each of us. I am quite sure there is more than one stable state in which our body chemistry is working fine. Find out how your body reacts to different influences and act correspondingly.
    Surely, that sounds not very easy. But that is the thing you should have been doing the first 20 years on that planet: exploring your body and mind to find out what you like and need.

    I found that out about half a year ago, as I got problems with digestion. I went to some doctors and even to a hospital, but they couldn't find the reason. While I got sick more and more, nausious each morning, they couldn't do anything about it.
    And, here in Austria, we have really good healthcare and the best doctors available.

    Stop fighting about low-fat vs. low-carbs diet. Balance things out. Eat lots of fruit and vegetables. Eat less, but more often. Drink lots of water. Do not hesitate to eat the occasional chocolate or fast food. Not only your body needs to stay healthy, but your mind and soul, too. If you do not sin every now and then, there comes something up we call "Fressflash" (German). You know that urgent feeling to stuff things to eat into yourself. Mostly junkfood.

    Start doing something. The daily walk home/to work is a good beginning. Start swimming or biking. You will begin to feel better after a few days.
    Do not start to run, if you're overweight and/or undertrained! It will ruin your knees (happened to me, at least). Start with it, when you are trained enough, the stronger muscles will help your knees then. To avoid injury, consult a professional trainer. He can give you simple hints to improve your training and make it safe.
    You do not want to got to a fitness-center or buy expensive things? Use your own bodyweight to train! Everything that makes your muscles feel tired is good.

    But most important: Start listening to the things your body tells you. Maybe you never learned to interpret its signals right?

    --
    Keep open minded - but not that open your brain falls out...
  637. Gout = princely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prince Regent used to get gout, but then he used to have serious banquets that lasted for six hours, in his indian/oriental palace that he had built in Brighton (uk)... http://www.royalpavilion.org.uk/
    so nothing to be ashamed of!

  638. STAT 101 by instarx · · Score: 1
    The average /. reader is an idiot. Half of /. readers are below average. Are you scared yet?

    Not correct. Half the general population is, by definition, below average [in intelligence]. However, there is no information as to where the /. population falls within the general population.

    I suspect that the average /.er falls on the north side of the intelligence curve. They are often poorly educated (its an age-related schooling thing - it takes time) and get their facts wrong as a result, but that's a different story.

  639. YES, SWIMMING by x-guru · · Score: 2, Informative

    I swim about 5 miles per week when I am in my routine (2-3 when out of my routine)
    How do I do it working 10 hours a day? Simple, find a pool close to work, hop in for 35 minutes (1 mile per day) on your lunch break, go back to work and have a small sandwich or protein bar at your desk.
    Does it work? Yeah! I'm the most Abercrombie & Fitch-looking Software Engineer I know... ;)

    Try it, I think you'll find the afternoons alot less stressful as swimming clears your mind and refreshes your day!

    Likewise, my former boss got up in pounds a bit, but he started hitting the gym on his lunch break, and he's lost about 40 lbs in six months.

    Best of luck to you!! I hope it works out!

    -x

  640. Fruit juice is bad by docbrown42 · · Score: 1

    If you get bored of water all day (understandable), you can try fruit juice. But please, do REAL fruit juice and not colored hummingbird food. Juicy Juice and Ocean Spray 100% are my favorites.

    I have been told by my herbalist/nutritionist that most bottled fruit juice is actually bad for you, since it has so much sugar. Any benefit that it had was boiled away during the bottling process (they boil the juice to kill any organisms in it, and to make it taste sweeter). Basicly, it ends up being sugar water.

    If you can find it, try getting stevia and kool-aid (or other non-sugared drink). Stevia is pretty sweet, but tastes different from sugar, and wont be absorbed by your body. Seems to work well in lemonaid, too.

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  641. Drink and move by triptolemeus · · Score: 2, Informative

    Drink a lot of water (at least 2,5 litres a day). Depending on your location: stay away from tap. Too much chloric is just not good for you. There is hardly a way to intoxic your kidneys with too much water. You will have more problems with not enough water.
    No snacks. No sodas. Not one. That simple.
    Do regular meals, three times a day. Eat slowly. Chew your food. Mabe take an apple or so for in between. Fruits are good.
    Start moving. Go jogging, or aerobics. Do it three times a week (more is good as well). When jogging you should be able to get to 45 minutes each time in about three months.
    Cook your own food. Restaurants (except the very expensive ones) tend to cook with too much fat. Stay low on fat, stay low on meat. Really you don't need meat. It just tastes good :-)
    Forget about beer. It is bad for your sexlife as well. Alcohol and bubbles reduce the ability to get you willy dancing. Go for wine, if you need the alcohol. Combines better with real food as well.
    Look in the mirror. Do it a lot. Helps to motivate, especially when things are coming down.

    Respect and love yourself. If you really love your body you won't let it get out of shape.

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  642. Guiness is low in calories! by Makaer · · Score: 1

    I did some research on the calorie content of guiness recently, and found that it was surpricingly low. I got this data from http://www.realbeer.com/edu/health/calories.php (if you have contrary data, I would love to see it!)

    Calories for a 12oz serving:
    Budweiser 143 calories 5.0% alcohol
    Bud Light 110 calories 4.2% alcohol
    Guinness 110 calories 4.0% alcohol
    Sam Adams Lager 160 calories 4.8% alcohol

    So, chosing a crappy domestic rice beer isn't necessarily going to be cutting back on the calories. It is worth doing some research to find out if the beer you prefer is high in calories or not. Plus, if you are going to subject yourself to rice beer, you may as well switch to sake (which has between 180 and 240 calories for a 5.5 oz glass, with about 15-17% alcohol).

    Life is to short to drink bad beer.

  643. Tai Chi by krilli · · Score: 1

    Tai Chi is surprisingly effective, the slow movements require a constant effort. Interestingly difficuly.

    It also looks pretty cool. I think that's actually why it's as popular as it is in China.

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  644. AMA isn't the food industry by siskbc · · Score: 1
    Perhaps that is your problem. Don't believe everything the AMA tells you.

    I'll take my chances with AMA above rogue, discredited doctors with no credibility who write books, eh? Otherwise this is convincing yourself of something you want to believe, and that's not particularly rational. There are maybe 5 doctors in the country who haven't been bought who believe the Atkins stuff in its extreme. The research that supports a higher protein diet doesn't advocate the fat consumption that goes with Atkins.

    If such a diet of animal fats caused heart disease, why is it that heart disease in America began to increase during the time when the food industry decided to start pushing margerine and processed vegetable oils?

    Two things there: First, consumption of animal fat also picked up over that period (ie, 60's to today). Second, processed vegetable oils are dead fatal, containing lots of trans-fatty acids. In general, avoid anything hydrogenated. That's my advice. For what it's worth, the AMA (I believe it was them) fought for labeling of foods with trans-fat labels. But bottom line, both margerine and animal fat are 100% fat. And a diet high in either isn't good.

    The food industry stands a lot to gain from convincing you that their processed foods are better for you than foods straight from a farmer.

    First, that's the food industry, not the medical community - I reasonably trust AMA, not the food industry. Second, farmers are a big part of the food industry (see "Beef - it's what's for dinner"). Third, we don't eat food "straight from a farmer" even if that's where we get it, as cooking is processing. Not trying to split hairs, just trying to point out that a great deal of the damage we do to food in terms of its nutritive value etc. we do in the kitchen.

    But you are of course correct, don't trust the food industry, as they've fought labeling every step of the way, from the outset.

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    1. Re:AMA isn't the food industry by occupant4 · · Score: 1
      I'll take my chances with AMA above rogue, discredited doctors with no credibility who write books, eh? Otherwise this is convincing yourself of something you want to believe, and that's not particularly rational. There are maybe 5 doctors in the country who haven't been bought who believe the Atkins stuff in its extreme. The research that supports a higher protein diet doesn't advocate the fat consumption that goes with Atkins.

      I'm not asking you to believe rogue, discredited doctors. I'm asking you to make up your mind for yourself, rather than being convinced something is true because the AMA says it's true. Do a little research. There are a lot of studies (ones that don't receive their funding from the food industry) that show our whole America idea of health is wrong. But since they conflict with what the food industry wants to sell you, no one ever hears of them.

      Two things there: First, consumption of animal fat also picked up over that period (ie, 60's to today).

      Not according to what I've heard. But then I'm sure you'll say it wasn't AMA approved research, so it doesn't mean anything. Second, processed vegetable oils are dead fatal, containing lots of trans-fatty acids. In general, avoid anything hydrogenated. That's my advice. For what it's worth, the AMA (I believe it was them) fought for labeling of foods with trans-fat labels. But bottom line, both margerine and animal fat are 100% fat. And a diet high in either isn't good.

      Hydrogenated fats are bad, agreed. The AMA has just recently fought for labeling of these foods, when it has been known for decades (since the 60s I belive) that trans-fats are bad. And no, the bottom line is not that margerine and animal fat are 100% fat. Margerine contains bad fat (hydrogenated, trans fats). Animal fat does not (saturated is not bad). Don't assume that because the name is "fat" that it is bad for you. You do need a diet consisting of carbs, fats, and protein.

      First, that's the food industry, not the medical community - I reasonably trust AMA, not the food industry. Second, farmers are a big part of the food industry (see "Beef - it's what's for dinner"). Third, we don't eat food "straight from a farmer" even if that's where we get it, as cooking is processing. Not trying to split hairs, just trying to point out that a great deal of the damage we do to food in terms of its nutritive value etc. we do in the kitchen.

      The problem with trusting the AMA is that it is a government organization which receives a lot of its funding from the food industry. You can't separate the two so easily, and say "The AMA is unbiased and scientific, so I trust it." As a slashdotter, perhaps you recognize the problem of the RIAA and MPAA funding our politicians campaigns - many laws are skewed in their favor. The AMA has a similar situation with the food industry. And before disagreeing with me, check it out yourself.

      As for farmers, I'm not talking about giant agribusiness companies. Yes, they are part of the food industry, and that's where your "Beef" slogan comes from. I'm talking about smaller farmers, who don't try to convince you that hormone-infested and irradiated meat is good for you.

      For the record, while cooking may be processing in the technical sense, there is a big difference between cooking and the processing that goes on before you that jar of jelly ends up in the grocery store.

      And to clarify, I'm not advocating the Atkins' diet, although it is probably closer to being healthy than the standard American diet. I'm merely saying that your belief that "fat = bad, carbs = good", is wholly wrong and based on faulty research.

    2. Re:AMA isn't the food industry by siskbc · · Score: 1
      I'm asking you to make up your mind for yourself, rather than being convinced something is true because the AMA says it's true. Do a little research. There are a lot of studies (ones that don't receive their funding from the food industry) that show our whole America idea of health is wrong.

      Unless you actually do the studies, you're taking someone's word for it too. As it happens, you choose to believe more counterculture, non-recognized "authorities" because you prefer to. However, I'd rather put my chances on the bulk of all dietetic research done to date, rather than believe the exact opposite just to do so. Good medical research (such as that in Lancet, a British journal, or JAMA) I will belivee with skepticism until I see a compelling reason why not. And some unfunded, unrecognized group saying what I want to hear doesn't count.

      The problem with trusting the AMA is that it is a government organization which receives a lot of its funding from the food industry.

      You have anything to back that up? First, the AMA isn't even a governmental organization. Second, it receives its funding (I believe) principally from its members who are doctors. For what it's worth, they are currently opposing direct drug advertising on TV, going against the pharm industry, and if they fight the drug indistry I see no reason why they wouldn't fight the food indistry, which they have done in the past. So the conspiracy theory dies. Finally, even governmental funding agencies rarely show any sort of deference to the government, or interest groups. See NIH and NSF.

      Bottom line is you're trying to discredit several large medical and dietetic organizations (like the AMA) by saying they're government funded, while they're not. Then you want me to believe the word of some group no one's ever even heard of? What are their credentials? Where have they published? I want to see real research I can evaluate on my own, not ridiculous claims.

      The AMA has a similar situation with the food industry. And before disagreeing with me, check it out yourself.

      Please feel free to provide me with information as I have been unable to find any to support your claim.

      And no, the bottom line is not that margerine and animal fat are 100% fat. Margerine contains bad fat (hydrogenated, trans fats). Animal fat does not (saturated is not bad)

      First, yes, oil is 100% fat, whether it be animal or vegetable - check the label if you don't believe me. Second, yes, saturated fat is pretty bad when it's above 10% of total daily calories. Admittedly trans-fat is damned bad also, but it doesn't suddenly make saturated good simply by comparison. I'd prefer non-trans polyunsaturated (like from olive oil). Also, I'd like to see anything to the contrary claimed by an independent medical group.

      Ultimately, you seem to have some issues with perceived conspiracies. I see the occasional conspiracy in places too, but it doesn't mean that every recognized authority is tainted and that everything they say is a lie. It doesn't mean that I should believe the opposite just to do so.

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    3. Re:AMA isn't the food industry by occupant4 · · Score: 1
      Unless you actually do the studies, you're taking someone's word for it too. As it happens, you choose to believe more counterculture, non-recognized "authorities" because you prefer to. However, I'd rather put my chances on the bulk of all dietetic research done to date, rather than believe the exact opposite just to do so. Good medical research (such as that in Lancet, a British journal, or JAMA) I will belivee with skepticism until I see a compelling reason why not. And some unfunded, unrecognized group saying what I want to hear doesn't count.

      Well the problem is, you won't see a compelling reason why not to believe the mainstream research, unless you go out and look for it. Also, you are not putting your chances in the "bulk of all dietetic research to date." You are putting your chances on the bulk of dietetic research that these organizations have allowed you to hear. It's not a matter of believing what you prefer, it's a matter of believing the research you find more credible. When you see research funded by Philip Morris or Pepsi Co, and contradicting research done by independent researchers, you have to check which has more studies, which looks less biased, etc.

      I understand why you see any discrediting of the JAMA or various widely trusted medical journals as a conspiracy theory. It's hard to distrust something so many people take as scientific fact. But just because something appears in a medical journal does not make it true. Likewise, just because something is not in a medical journal, doesn't mean it's false.

      For example: Back in the 60's, Mary Enig was doing research on fats. Her findings showed that trans fats were unhealthy, among other things, which contradicted what the food industry wanted to hear. The food industry aggressively tried to discredit her, and funded many contradicting studies. She lost the food industry funding, some of her research was not published, and she was generally shunned for years by much of the academic community. Just the fact that something like this can happen should be a warning to how manipulated mainstream research can be. It's just now that we're starting to hear talk of how trans fats are bad and should be labeled.

      You're right, it's not a governmental organization - my misconception. But the AMA does get funding from the food industry.

      First, yes, oil is 100% fat, whether it be animal or vegetable - check the label if you don't believe me.

      I never said it wasn't. What I said was that that was not "the bottom line". Fats are different. Some fats are essential to your health, others ar e detrimental.

      Ultimately, you seem to have some issues with perceived conspiracies. I see the occasional conspiracy in places too, but it doesn't mean that every recognized authority is tainted and that everything they say is a lie. It doesn't mean that I should believe the opposite just to do so.

      I agree, not every authority is tainted. And I understand your skepticism in what sounds very much like a conspiracy theory. But at the same time, don't dismiss it just because it goes against the mainstream. Check out this article. Industry has a lot of power in this country.

    4. Re:AMA isn't the food industry by siskbc · · Score: 1
      Well the problem is, you won't see a compelling reason why not to believe the mainstream research, unless you go out and look for it. Also, you are not putting your chances in the "bulk of all dietetic research to date." You are putting your chances on the bulk of dietetic research that these organizations have allowed you to hear.

      That's always true, but for those quantities to be different then there should be some significant corruption and bias. I go with independent organizations with a proven track record...like the AMA. Sure, I don't trust the FDA at all, and don't trust the AHA too much now - your article was informative for that at least. But your article actually took the AMA as near gospel, for what its worth. Therefore, I assume that what's reported in JAMA and Lancet are representative of the good research being done. You seem to distrust all authorities, and believe implicitly anyone who disagrees with them, and I think that's a bit dangerous.

      I understand why you see any discrediting of the JAMA or various widely trusted medical journals as a conspiracy theory. It's hard to distrust something so many people take as scientific fact. But just because something appears in a medical journal does not make it true. Likewise, just because something is not in a medical journal, doesn't mean it's false.

      No, but if it's something reported about medicine and it's *not* in a medical journal, then it raises the barrier of believability. Such as, who the hell wrote this? Why did they write it? Why can't they get published through normal routes? Do they have any credentials? Are they bought off? See, there are a lot of reasons not to believe any jackass publishing himself. So if some no-name group goes against the AMA, I'll probably believe the AMA unless I have a damned good reason not to.

      I agree, not every authority is tainted. And I understand your skepticism in what sounds very much like a conspiracy theory. But at the same time, don't dismiss it just because it goes against the mainstream. Check out this article. Industry has a lot of power in this country.

      Trust me, I know, but this amounts to a "throwing out the baby with the bathwater" argument. You need to form reasoned opinions about which organizations are tainted. EPA and FCC are my current favorites. FDA isn't too far behind. I don't trust a damned thing those asshats tell me. But AMA is another story, as they aren't government, and I've never seen instances of significant bias from them.

      Also, your article itself (the first part) has some serious scientific flaws. Most of those studies have nonexistent or flawed control setups, making comparisons very difficult. It sounds like the study from the 30's that results in the current RDA intake for sodium - some researcher found that a group of pacific islanders had virtually no salt intake, and no heart disease. However, they also ate tons of "good" oils and fish. Conclusion? Salt causes heart disease. And the "studies" in your paper are all pretty similar - overreaching conclusions. It also claims that humans have historicall eaten a lot of meat and eggs, which is completely false - that's only been the case for the last few hundred years since such things have ceased being a luxury. That much meat is not something we've evolved around.

      So ultimately, trans-fatty acids are bad, but saturated is too. It's sticky, hard to break down, and ends up finding your arterial walls. I'd avoid ingesting too much of it.

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  645. ABS ball, surgical tubing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My back is really bad, so biking everyday isn't really an option anymore.

    Getting a workstation configured to allow you to stand and a taller chair helps. Standing for part of the day burns more calories than sitting all day. Walk lots, drink lots of water. Don't worry so much who looks at you, you're health is more important than what other people think.

    I use an ABS ball I threw in the stockroom, lying on it helps when my back hurts, plus I can do squats and ab exercises. I use a few lengths of surgical tubing of various diameters wrapped around the doorknob or whatever to do some resistance exercises, it works quite well and you can do a number of exercises. Any decent fitness store sells rubber tubing nowadays, I think.

    later

  646. Don't drink beer in your office by labcoat · · Score: 1

    "I know it's real bad in my office, especially with all the beer I consume."

    Drinking beer while you're in the office is probably leading to that fat gut. Start drinking beer AFTER work. Try drinking beer while you're walking to the bar. ;)

  647. I wake up early by garaged · · Score: 1

    at 6:15, get ready to go to the gym, on a bus, i get there at 7:20, and make a good 2 hours time of wheigt lifting and some stationary cycling :-)

    That keeps me sorta in shape, i still have a little beer belly, but my arms looks like a man's arms, and I feel really good, specially when having sex :-), no respiratory problem at all !!

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  648. Why not try the new Ninnle diet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing but beer and pork rinds, four times a day. You'll shit through the eye of a needle!

  649. Which version of Atkins? by siskbc · · Score: 1
    I'll try to find you the article if you want to read it, it came across Newshub a few months ago.

    Sure, I'll read anything.

    If you have any studies which argue your point about Atkins not being good long-term, I'd like to read them.

    I'll see if I can find them, but bottom line is the version of the Atkins generally considered in the studies is a more moderate version that involved reduction of simple sugars, moderate increase in protein and perhaps some fat as well. The difference is that many people are using a diet devoid of carbs (which are necessary for general health), too high in protein (hard on the kidneys), and too high in saturated fat (very bad for the heart).

    So basically, which version of Atkins are you doing - the one where you eat a ton of fish (high in protein and the best possible fats) or the one where you eat a ton of steak (high in protein, yes, but also in the worst conceivable form of fat)? Makes a hell of a difference. So it's not really possible to talk about Atkins as a whole, because that doesn't exist - but I'm going to go ahead and assume that most people are on the "steak and pork chop" version of it, and that's not good.

    Also, it's hard to do long-term studies on Atkins because it's too new. However, I'd rather not be the guinea pig, I dunno about you.

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    1. Re:Which version of Atkins? by panty-sniffer · · Score: 1

      I do the "whatever my wife feels like cooking" version of Atkins... more fish than pork. I do try to avoid saturated/trans fat when I can. I love avocados and mac nuts, which are both good in that regard.

      I googled and got several articles off the Atkins site.

      As for being a guinea pig - sorry pal, whatever you do, you're taking someone's word for it. The human metabolism is just not fully understood yet by anyone. You're a guinea pig if you're on any diet. The only way out is to eat whatever you feel like.

    2. Re:Which version of Atkins? by siskbc · · Score: 1
      I do the "whatever my wife feels like cooking" version of Atkins... more fish than pork. I do try to avoid saturated/trans fat when I can. I love avocados and mac nuts, which are both good in that regard.

      That's not so bad then - but realize that most people aren't like you. ;) So how many carbs *do* you get?

      As for being a guinea pig - sorry pal, whatever you do, you're taking someone's word for it. The human metabolism is just not fully understood yet by anyone.

      To a degree, but that's not to say that my new diet of dirt and sewage should be considered no less safe than a balanced "pyramid" diet simply because we don't fully understand the human metabolism. From an evolutionary standpoint, we might consider it a good idea to eat what we evolved around, and I can assure you that, while it isn't much processed carbs, it also isn't that much non-fish meat. Fruits, nuts, vegatables, and a little meat is the historical hominid diet, so from that standpoint it is likely the healthiest.

      I have the feeling that if we actually compared diets, they aren't that much different. This is starting to occur to me. ;) No simple sugars and little red meat.

      As for the literature, I'll check it out and get back at ya.

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    3. Re:Which version of Atkins? by panty-sniffer · · Score: 1

      You know, that sewage diet does have its followers - see the alt.binaries newsgroups. Ah, the free flow of information. :)

  650. Oh, and also: by strombrg · · Score: 1


    You could try isometrics.

  651. Except..... by metalhed77 · · Score: 1

    weight watchers is a pseudo-science scam.

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  652. Body For Life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    try... www.bodyforlife.com ... my wife and i have being doing this for 10 weeks now ... AND IT IS GREAT! very simple but wonderfully effective

  653. Outside of work by JuggleGeek · · Score: 1
    So, you sit in front of a computer all day, like many here on /. That isn't likely to change.

    What do you do when you are not at work? If you go home and sit in front of the TV for several hours, that isn't helping. If the beer you say you drink is either sitting at a bar or sitting at home, that isn't helping.

    I'd recommend a hobby. I'm a programmer, and I have used juggling as a fun way to get some excercise. Juggling is pretty good excercise - mostly from picking up props. :^) I also throw darts and shoot pool, which aren't the best excercises I could pick, but they beat sitting on the couch or in a movie theatre. I decided a long time ago that I spent enough time sitting, and I didn't want hobbies that encouraged it.

    Consider dancing - that's good excercise and you can still drink your beer.

    My point is that you are not likely to change your 9-10 hour days of sitting in front of a computer, any more than I am. But you can make sure that the time you spend *outside* the office is on hobbies that burn some calories and give you some excercise. Going to a gym is great, if you'll do it regularly. But if you can find a hobby which gives you some excercise and at the same time is something you enjoy, you'll get a lot more out of it.

    Me? I'm 6', 180, and a little overweight. (Every bit of extra weight I have shows up in my stomach.) I don't diet. I don't go to the gym. I drink beer, and soda, but have never been tempted by chips, cookies, cakes, ice-cream, etc. I ran a lot when I was younger, but haven't done much of that in years.

  654. That's not science. Oh really? by Tom+Bombadill · · Score: 1

    Funny I looked back at this after a day.

    "macronutrient" is a generic label, I used because I didn't feel like hijacking this thread.

    By removing carbs from the diet you lower insulin (hormonal manipulation). You also raise glucagon levels. This condition releases free-fatty acids from fat cells which are then burned in the liver as ketone bodies. In a ketogenic state the body will preferentially burn FFAs over carbohydrates.
    Thus ketosis is a state induced by food choices (macronutients for lack of a better term).

    I know what ketones are. What a keto dieter is concered with is not what is in your nail polish remover, but rather acetoacetate, beta-hydroxybutarate, and acetone, as produced wthin the body...and in tiny amounts.
    The creation and subsequent usage of ketones as fuel offsets the need for other fuels, sparing protien that would otherwise be converted via glucogenesis. This allows a bodybuilder (and former sports medicine student) like myself to avoid muscle loss while dieting. It also provides fuel for the brain, which unlike skeletal muscle tissue, cannot use FFAs for fuel. After time (usually two to three weeks depending on individual metabolism and training load) the body will level off in ketone production as it has adapted to FFAs as fuel. No more acid breath ;^)

    Few people realize that foods, if used properly, can produce powerful positive (and negative) effects on the body's systems.

    There are a lot of people involved in the Ketogenic dieting world who know quite a lot about the science behind metabolism.
    It's not all about Atkins.

    I personally find it ironic that people will continue to eat lousy food, sit on the couch, drink alcohol, and smoke cigarettes while criticizing others go to what they may see as perhaps comparatively extreme measures to attain the top 5% of physical conditioning.
    I am not saying the above remark refers to anyone here, yet I am constantly struck by the resistance met from others when they discover my personal physical ideal.
    People who have no idea about exercise or conditiong continue to try to give me "advice" while eating ice cream and sporting 45% bodyfat.

  655. Re:That's not science. Oh really? by siskbc · · Score: 1
    If you do cardiovascular exercise while doing this ketone crap you'll be lucky if you don't pass out. Bodybuilders do a lot of unhealthy things to get where they do - steroids come to mind.

    For god's sake, nothing's wrong with a little blood sugar. In fact, if you keep your blood sugar from crashing in the first place, you won't even have to worry about your body burning muscle when dieting. If that happens, it's a sign you are dieting too hard. Back off a bit. For a bodybuilder, the best way to not lose muscle while dieting is to diet slowly. Use some patience and you won't have a problem with that. 1 pound per week would be a good target. But there's no reason to put your body through that ketone stuff, as you'll go through hypoglycemic shock if you're not lucky.

    Bottom line is your body is not meant to operate this way, and there's no reason to make it. And by the way, acetone is the main component of nail polish remover.

    People who have no idea about exercise or conditiong continue to try to give me "advice" while eating ice cream and sporting 45% bodyfat.

    Mine's about 10-12%. I've had it around 7% before. Could be lower except my wife doesn't like it when I get too skinny. You can get where you want to be quite easily using a very healthy, yet non-extreme diet. And you get there without getting the shakes and lightheadedness that come with too low blood sugar. And I'm guessing you know what I'm talking about, whether you choose to admit it or not.

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  656. Re:People don't understand there are 2 kinds of ca by MemeRot · · Score: 1

    That'd be fine. He'd be constantly burning the blood sugar generated for energy.

    But if your goal is weight loss rather than running 26 miles in one shot, you want to exhaust your blood sugar and force your body to start burning stored fat for energy. Short runs don't accomplish this, which is why a long walk can help you lose weight better than a shorter, high intensity run.

  657. Two word answer by Politas · · Score: 1

    Eat less.

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  658. Re:That's not science. Oh really? by Tom+Bombadill · · Score: 1

    First off I agree with the statement that many bodybuilders do unhealty things, including drug use.
    There is a reason I no longer compete.

    I do cardio and don't pass out.
    How about an hour of running up stadium bleachers?
    And I am asthmatic to boot ;^)

    Dieting slowly does not always work. Trust me I know. I was rather well ranked in the nation and I spent years doing the low fat thing. I never got lean enough, and I lost muscle.
    One or two pounds a week is a good rate, but what are you losing? You might be losing muscle via glucogenesis and you better check the calipers as well as the scale.

    Yes I did get light-headeness, though I never got shakes.
    This lasted all of four days. After that I was producing enough ketones form FFAs to fuel my brain without issue. And as far as getting really low, it is damn near impossible to get below an honest 5% on a low carb diet *without* losing significant amounts of muscle. This is of course assuming you are not indulging in the foremantioned pharmaceutical aids.

    You can keep doing what you are doing, that's fine if you are happy with it, but ketognic diets work, they are safe, and the literature is proving it.