of a government-controlled film industry obviously is enough to make any right-thinking person want to see all possible copyright protection added to every possible intellectual property treaty.
Faced with this potential evil
Im not sure what you mean but:
I am Canadian. I am happy and proud that Canada's National Film Board and CRTC exist to assist film makers and artists create their works. Art and film is valuable to a healthy culture and should be publicly supported. For profit films are mostly not art - they would be profit vehicles first, creative works second.
Why doesn't AOL team up with Apple? Or merge with them?
Because M$ bought 10% of Apple to keep them from going out of business. This provided a nice example of 'competition' for them to fend of the DOJ for a while. If Apple or AOL thought for a second to try this M$ would register to sell their portion of Apple stock - causing the price to drop through the floor - they would announce a halt to Apple MS Office && Apple IE. This would be too much like real competition - M$ would put an end to it quick.
That is why you will never see any real 'dynamic innovation' rewards from the Apple / WinTel PC paradox - there is collusion up the arse.
Does anyone else think that Jackson should have uped the spinouts to be like 4-6 companies? I would like to see:
Server OS
Server Apps
Client OS
Client Apps
At least, but probably also:
Games
XBox && Hardware
You cannot expect M$ to give up there collusion and 'first son' attituted if you dont really split them up. You want innovation - see what happens if the Office Applications market was re-born...
Does anyone know how the backend services work? Are the server processes for the BE GPL?
Because Nautilus is GPL it wont disappear. If the BE is not GPL could it die w/ Eazel? It would be nice to see Nautilus adapted to run offering services to Gnome users from a variety of providers - both from the community and not. If users could add services providers it may end up being a very usefull feature - unless Nautilus is written to only connect to one provider at once, and the BE code dies...
Has anyone any idea?
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really hoping that Eazel would be bought out for a bargain by some big name
Why would Eazel need to be bought out? Nautilus is GPL (is it not..?). The present developers (bar some draconian employee contracts) can pick up, walk down the street, hang a shingle - "Smeazel" - and start where they left off.
The failure here is the VC money. Fuck the VCs I say. They have millions of other dollars with which to vacation in Tahiti. A 25% ROI for the vultures requires alot more revenue than an office and salaries for 25-30 people.
That would enable advertisers to NOT have to pay to shout at us
It will take alot more than that unfortunatley. I believe that Coke and Pepsi are the same - but they are spending billions on propaganda trying to tell me different, all these commodity products are 'building their brands' to represent 'life' 'happiness' 'joy' 'sex' (whatever) that I dont ever associate with a carbinated beverage... until people are woken out of their dream state; there will be no change... unless we can manage to make Spam-Advertising illegal.
Software costs ridiculous amounts of money to make..so much that traditional software companies not only charge for the software
Id bet M$ spends more on marketing than it does on coders.
BigPharm spends twice as much on advertising as it does drug research.
Capitalism has terrible efficiency problems too! Waste on senseless advertising and brand building mindcontrol bullshit, lawyers of all stripes, creative accountants, sales teams, kickbacks/payoffs/lobbyists etc etc etc who needs this crap? I only want a OS - why does all this other mess have to hobble along? When you talk about the capitalist economics of the software business you have to stop and realize that what you are *NOT* paying for is the time of a programmer - its everything else... need proof? See GNU/Linux which has been built in people's spare time! What does this tell you about the economics of the software industry? it says unnecessary spending, and ridiculous profits
What capital is required to manufacture software? Cheap computers ($2000). Time. Communication. Where does the M$ monolith fit into that?
What we see here is the failed (broken) capitalist economics of the "Information Economy" - the same problem the RIAA is having you see M$ having. When will M$ buy there own version of the DMCA - "to protect the vital software industry from these dirty commies - how dare them give something away for free that we've conned people into building our billion dollar business on... Help Help HELP!"
"Microsoft is attacking open source at its weakest point: the GPL," said Love in an interview this week with Ziff Davis.
questioning whether companies can build valid, supportable business models around the Free Software Foundation's GPL.
Maybe - Maybe not - why is the responsibility of the GNU/Linux (GPL) coders to build a foundation for your businesses? Build your selfish capitalist businesses yourselves - Mr.Love - are you going to invite us all over to eat at your $10,000 dinner parties because we *HELP YOU*? I fucking doubt it. If altruism and freedom end up DESTROYING your businesses is it because giving something away for free is wrong? No - its because you decided to stand in the way of our honest gift with your greed.
Caldera is "seriously looking at and considering different licensing models," he said. Caldera is considering BSD and "other licensing models" that "would be truly open source but still allow folks to influence the (development) process,"
Note 'influence' and not "participate as autonomous equal to the inhouse developers" but the original BSD license, because of an advertising clause, is not. I could very well be wrong - but im thinking that the BSD license is not GPL compatible because you can take BSD code, modify it, and distribute binaries (sans source) of your new 'modified program'. Could someone confirm/clarify for me...?
Note to self: Caldera is *not* someone who 'gets it'. I half expected Love to say "Why don't you all be good slaves and change your purposes to make me and my shareholders rich M'Kay... yeaahh Thanks"
Wow what a fucking raving capitalist whore. I happen do disagree. I believe humanity's ability to do good is far greater than its desire for profit. No one likes a liar - especially not a self-interested type.
"Some are still caught up in Religion, but we're all a little older and wiser." Read: "...we're all a little more cynical and short-sighted"
"Is that really a successful business model?" NO! NOT EVERYTHING IS A FUCKING BUSINESS! GNU/Linux's *sole* purpose is *NOT* to be a tool of profit for capitalist whores like Mr.Love.
"has to be more than a kid's sandbox, where there's no timelines, no responsibility.GNU/Linux and GPL developers dont *HAVE* to do anything at all for you Mr. Love. Why do you think everyone's goals are to make money for Caldera?
"As a commercial vendor" thats your fault - not ours, maybe if you grew up and became a little less self-centred and myopic you may adjust your priorities to more reasonable and worthwhile pursuits.
"that resonates with the commercial market. I know we'll get arrows shot at us from the GPL community, but If we have a success developing a platform for the high volume hardware market we are after, the OEMs, and ISVs... we can all win. We need to see the Open Source marketplace change. We want to bridge the gap between the Open Source community and the needs of the commercial marketplace. That commercial marketplace is the future. We want to be the bridge to that future."
Pure bullocks - what planet is this guy from? This guy enrages me more than anything ive read here on/. in months - who the fuck does this joker think he is? What he is saying is "the GPL community needs to come back to reality and help us start zipping this stuff up into brand packages and selling it. Capitalism is the only important thing. Capitalist pursuit of profit is all that matters. You are fooling yourselves if you think you can resist our 'reality' - listen to us, were Good Wise People Here To Help(TM). Now that you have built something valuable, it is your duty as a Good Cog to give it to us so we can tune it to our profit engines." (aside to his friends: "Isnt it cute the way these people go on about freedom and altruism hahahahhahhhah"
Friends; stick to the GPL, don't use anything else for your projects (please) - People like Mr.Love see GNU/Linux as something to steal for themselves, don't let them divide you, don't let them scare you. Just keep coding and 'keep your eyes on the prize'.
Love admits that he does "have a problem with those members of the Linux community that are more Religionist, than Pragmatist." Love puts himself squarely in the Pragmatist camp.
Translation:
Love admits that he does "have a problem with those members of the Linux community that are not Capitalists, than socialist." Love puts himself squarely in the Pragmatist camp.
While I admit that I *do* understand not everyone involved in GNU/Linux writing GPL code are 'like me'. One of my main images of GNU/Linux is a shared, libre, gratis alternative 'owned' by The People, where engineering decisions and technology choices are made the right way - by the DEVELOPERS unfettered by the BS that is involved in the Capitalist desire to build a product and market a fantasy brand. I do see GNU/Linux as an opportunity to bring technology the worlds poor, to help bootstrap their young IT industries in an equal and full manner. I do see GNU/Linux as part of a bigger worldwide movement to reduce the power capitalism has taken in the lives of people.
Mr.Love - The GPL's purpose is to provide Freedom - that also means Freedom from Technology Companies who bully the public and dictate technology options. I am an atheist, and Linux is *NOT* my Religion; I too am a pragmatist. I see GNU/Linux as a libre/gratis gift to The People - one that cannot be exploited by people such as yourself.
Not all things are for profit. Pursuing Profit with regards to all things is not justified. Not all things should be involved in the economy.
The "Information Economy" is just another excuse to keep economic power where it is.
The "information economy" is a game of public opinion to allow the 'economic powers that be' to extend the system they built (current economy) into a place that it does not apply. They thought, " what do we do now that we can make more widgets than anyone could ever want? we steal the things that will flourish resulting from the mastery of physical production - we will take ownership of the things that people were promised they would explore when 'the work is done' - culture, art, literature, public discourse, politics"-all the things we are supposed to do after we are finished labouring to make widgets.
Your.sig is brilliant. There is no "information economy" - just thought/mind control.
Think Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, just on a much larger scale, only the bottom few layers require an economy. The others are what we should expect as a result of being freed from these 'basic needs'. It seems that capitalists wants to commodititze *all* of humanity.
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notion of an alternative - democratic, even socialist - economy
Where are all these fantasy stories of "mismanaged" dot-coms coming from? Why is it so vogue now to ridicule dot-coms?
When the Internet exploded - it caused massive cultural change. The kind of things Katz is famous for ranting about *are* possibilities, broad flat publishing, heightened communication, empowerment in various ways, re-invigorating communities of all kinds - DO and DID occur because of the Internet. The Internet has been the single greatest Cultural Revolution to happen in the last 15-20 years.
But its success is something very unique - it did not translate into massive, powerful profitable businesses? Why? Because not everything that is culturally significant is economically significant. So when VCs flocked to the Internet (a whopping 4-8 years ago) they expected to become rich by riding the economic saddle of this explosion. Well that did not happen. The Internet is proving to be a very hostile to their economics.
So - what is my point? It is a sad commentary that we will ridicule and malign what is a significant cultural event. I understand that trying to run a 'business' as is described in the article is a funny. What is very funny (in the Strange sense not the "ha ha" sense) is that there is no mechanism or ability for people to participate in our world in this way. In all the world there is no opportunity for people to manage via Role-Playing - why the fuck not? I think there should be.
Every day millions of us goto our places of work and participate in the inhuman charade that robs us of our Life. Most of us probably would rather being doing something Else with our time. It is truly sad that there are NO OPPORUNITIES in the world to do something different. Why does everything in the world need to participate in the un-reality that is the business world. For a very short time people were equipped and empowered to build something they found interesting. Allot people will downplay the Katz description of the Internet as being insignificant - while i agree it is not the most important thing in existence - it is profound and exciting in many ways.
It is really troubling to think of the other 'significant' things that humanity could enjoy, what strange and different ideas could be explored - in a large way - that may prove to be significant in our lives - but *ARENT* pursued or built or conceived or developed or explained or discussed or shared or whatever simply because it does not participate in the world in an *Economically* significant way.
Where is humanity going? What are goals? Is it to consume and work and conceive of nothing else if it doesn't work in our broken 'economic' reality?
This is a very difficult thing to express - im ranting a bit (and definitely running on) but I hope everyone 'gets my point'. Most will read this as a simple anit-capitalist tie-raid(sp?) - which pragmatically it is - I mean it to be a whole lot more than that.
such as the respect of basic courtesy; the respect of being heard with an open mind
Your right - I may have overstated my point (or not been clear enough). As a personal aside; I am generally polite and respectfull of strangers. I am not rude in public - i dont swear at waitersses/waiters. I didnt really mean to suggest otherwise.
I feel the same way. Im Canadian. There are very powerful lobbies in Washington (Military-Industrial-Complex) who are buying this crap. Bush is a twit. A pawn. Americans should be ashamed that this POS is their president.
Him firing up this star-wars project - is stupid beyond reason. Who the fuck wants another arms race? Im with you brother - no goddamn way should they be doing this crap.
If they wanted to start a movement to cover the whole globe, in an international effort to end the ICBM threat from ANY nation, where the system was in control of the UN (or the military council if the permanent members were removed) - then I may consider it... otherwise this is an aggressive effort by the US and should be condemned by My Government and Yours.
US while allowing China to pollute as much as it wants
Ohh the big evil China.. anything can be justified because of the Chinease - i seem to remember anything being justified becuase of the Russians at one point... americans are fucking sheep... get a clue - your media & government whip up a public hysteria about 'the enemy' anytime it wants to do something stupid - are you people that fucking dumb?
this has nothing to do with China or other polluters - it has to do with bush repaying the big companies who elected him buy not upsetting the status quo (for any reason - no matter how grave) just to protect their pocket books. They are allowed to rape and pillage the commons now - they make profit now - they like it this way.
Who are the twits who go along with the 'china is an economic adversary - we cannot let the chinese any advantage!" propaganda? Maybe you could petition the UN to ask China to *ALSO* join Kyoto. That would be a solution - not *DROPPING OUT* just to maintain your economic imperialism... fucking assholes.
America is a rogue state. It is not a Democracy but a Plutocracy. It should be expelled from all international bodies - the world should end trade, travel and co-operation with the USA until they democratically elect a government and remove the puppets with Big Corp. up their ass.
Hippies smell like *HUMANS*. no matter what your television tells you, *HUMANS* do not smell like 'spring sunshine and roses'. That is reality - everything else is marketing.
too stupid to be anything but honest
What? Intellegent people are dishonest liars?
non-accepting
If you are not honest with yourself - and honest with others - how do you expect to be accepted?
Why is being a hippy a bad thing? Hippies are some of the most beautiful, accepting, honest and trustworthy people I know... self-styled hippies are generally terrific people - it takes a solid person to live your life without falling into the Big Trap that saps most peoples life away for nothing...
Slashdot Mirror
if you are a U.S. citizen who wants to get in touch with the people representing you at the next Hague Convention meeting (in June)
Does anyone have a list of the members from other countries? Canada? UK? Oz? etc??
of a government-controlled film industry obviously is enough to make any right-thinking person want to see all possible copyright protection added to every possible intellectual property treaty.
Faced with this potential evil
Im not sure what you mean but:
I am Canadian. I am happy and proud that Canada's National Film Board and CRTC exist to assist film makers and artists create their works. Art and film is valuable to a healthy culture and should be publicly supported. For profit films are mostly not art - they would be profit vehicles first, creative works second.
Why doesn't AOL team up with Apple? Or merge with them?
Because M$ bought 10% of Apple to keep them from going out of business. This provided a nice example of 'competition' for them to fend of the DOJ for a while. If Apple or AOL thought for a second to try this M$ would register to sell their portion of Apple stock - causing the price to drop through the floor - they would announce a halt to Apple MS Office && Apple IE. This would be too much like real competition - M$ would put an end to it quick.
That is why you will never see any real 'dynamic innovation' rewards from the Apple / WinTel PC paradox - there is collusion up the arse.
or plutocracy.
Attention Americans:
Do you need more proof your government is being controlled by profit seeking capitalists?
I am astounded.
Does anyone else think that Jackson should have uped the spinouts to be like 4-6 companies? I would like to see:
Server OS
Server Apps
Client OS
Client Apps
At least, but probably also:
Games
XBox && Hardware
You cannot expect M$ to give up there collusion and 'first son' attituted if you dont really split them up. You want innovation - see what happens if the Office Applications market was re-born...
Jackson didnt go half way to a real solution.
Does anyone know how the backend services work? Are the server processes for the BE GPL?
Because Nautilus is GPL it wont disappear. If the BE is not GPL could it die w/ Eazel? It would be nice to see Nautilus adapted to run offering services to Gnome users from a variety of providers - both from the community and not. If users could add services providers it may end up being a very usefull feature - unless Nautilus is written to only connect to one provider at once, and the BE code dies...
Has anyone any idea?
really hoping that Eazel would be bought out for a bargain by some big name
Why would Eazel need to be bought out? Nautilus is GPL (is it not..?). The present developers (bar some draconian employee contracts) can pick up, walk down the street, hang a shingle - "Smeazel" - and start where they left off.
The failure here is the VC money. Fuck the VCs I say. They have millions of other dollars with which to vacation in Tahiti. A 25% ROI for the vultures requires alot more revenue than an office and salaries for 25-30 people.
This isnt the end of Nautilus at all.
Douglas Adamas is dead? DONT PANIC!
That would enable advertisers to NOT have to pay to shout at us
It will take alot more than that unfortunatley. I believe that Coke and Pepsi are the same - but they are spending billions on propaganda trying to tell me different, all these commodity products are 'building their brands' to represent 'life' 'happiness' 'joy' 'sex' (whatever) that I dont ever associate with a carbinated beverage... until people are woken out of their dream state; there will be no change... unless we can manage to make Spam-Advertising illegal.
brother - best regards, remember: An enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Software costs ridiculous amounts of money to make..so much that traditional software companies not only charge for the software
Id bet M$ spends more on marketing than it does on coders.
BigPharm spends twice as much on advertising as it does drug research.
Capitalism has terrible efficiency problems too! Waste on senseless advertising and brand building mindcontrol bullshit, lawyers of all stripes, creative accountants, sales teams, kickbacks/payoffs/lobbyists etc etc etc who needs this crap? I only want a OS - why does all this other mess have to hobble along? When you talk about the capitalist economics of the software business you have to stop and realize that what you are *NOT* paying for is the time of a programmer - its everything else... need proof? See GNU/Linux which has been built in people's spare time! What does this tell you about the economics of the software industry? it says unnecessary spending, and ridiculous profits
What capital is required to manufacture software? Cheap computers ($2000). Time. Communication. Where does the M$ monolith fit into that?
What we see here is the failed (broken) capitalist economics of the "Information Economy" - the same problem the RIAA is having you see M$ having. When will M$ buy there own version of the DMCA - "to protect the vital software industry from these dirty commies - how dare them give something away for free that we've conned people into building our billion dollar business on... Help Help HELP!"
"Microsoft is attacking open source at its weakest point: the GPL," said Love in an interview this week with Ziff Davis.
questioning whether companies can build valid, supportable business models around the Free Software Foundation's GPL.
Maybe - Maybe not - why is the responsibility of the GNU/Linux (GPL) coders to build a foundation for your businesses? Build your selfish capitalist businesses yourselves - Mr.Love - are you going to invite us all over to eat at your $10,000 dinner parties because we *HELP YOU*? I fucking doubt it. If altruism and freedom end up DESTROYING your businesses is it because giving something away for free is wrong? No - its because you decided to stand in the way of our honest gift with your greed.
Caldera is "seriously looking at and considering different licensing models," he said. Caldera is considering BSD and "other licensing models" that "would be truly open source but still allow folks to influence the (development) process,"
Note 'influence' and not "participate as autonomous equal to the inhouse developers"
but the original BSD license, because of an advertising clause, is not. I could very well be wrong - but im thinking that the BSD license is not GPL compatible because you can take BSD code, modify it, and distribute binaries (sans source) of your new 'modified program'. Could someone confirm/clarify for me...?
Note to self: Caldera is *not* someone who 'gets it'. I half expected Love to say "Why don't you all be good slaves and change your purposes to make me and my shareholders rich M'Kay... yeaahh Thanks"
"Free? That word doesn't work."
... we can all win. We need to see the Open Source marketplace change. We want to bridge the gap between the Open Source community and the needs of the commercial marketplace. That commercial marketplace is the future. We want to be the bridge to that future."
/. in months - who the fuck does this joker think he is? What he is saying is "the GPL community needs to come back to reality and help us start zipping this stuff up into brand packages and selling it. Capitalism is the only important thing. Capitalist pursuit of profit is all that matters. You are fooling yourselves if you think you can resist our 'reality' - listen to us, were Good Wise People Here To Help(TM). Now that you have built something valuable, it is your duty as a Good Cog to give it to us so we can tune it to our profit engines." (aside to his friends: "Isnt it cute the way these people go on about freedom and altruism hahahahhahhhah"
Wow what a fucking raving capitalist whore. I happen do disagree. I believe humanity's ability to do good is far greater than its desire for profit. No one likes a liar - especially not a self-interested type.
"Some are still caught up in Religion, but we're all a little older and wiser." Read: "...we're all a little more cynical and short-sighted"
"Is that really a successful business model?" NO! NOT EVERYTHING IS A FUCKING BUSINESS! GNU/Linux's *sole* purpose is *NOT* to be a tool of profit for capitalist whores like Mr.Love.
"has to be more than a kid's sandbox, where there's no timelines, no responsibility.GNU/Linux and GPL developers dont *HAVE* to do anything at all for you Mr. Love. Why do you think everyone's goals are to make money for Caldera?
"As a commercial vendor" thats your fault - not ours, maybe if you grew up and became a little less self-centred and myopic you may adjust your priorities to more reasonable and worthwhile pursuits.
"that resonates with the commercial market. I know we'll get arrows shot at us from the GPL community, but If we have a success developing a platform for the high volume hardware market we are after, the OEMs, and ISVs
Pure bullocks - what planet is this guy from? This guy enrages me more than anything ive read here on
Friends; stick to the GPL, don't use anything else for your projects (please) - People like Mr.Love see GNU/Linux as something to steal for themselves, don't let them divide you, don't let them scare you. Just keep coding and 'keep your eyes on the prize'.
Love admits that he does "have a problem with those members of the Linux community that are more Religionist, than Pragmatist." Love puts himself squarely in the Pragmatist camp.
Translation: Love admits that he does "have a problem with those members of the Linux community that are not Capitalists, than socialist." Love puts himself squarely in the Pragmatist camp.
While I admit that I *do* understand not everyone involved in GNU/Linux writing GPL code are 'like me'. One of my main images of GNU/Linux is a shared, libre, gratis alternative 'owned' by The People, where engineering decisions and technology choices are made the right way - by the DEVELOPERS unfettered by the BS that is involved in the Capitalist desire to build a product and market a fantasy brand. I do see GNU/Linux as an opportunity to bring technology the worlds poor, to help bootstrap their young IT industries in an equal and full manner. I do see GNU/Linux as part of a bigger worldwide movement to reduce the power capitalism has taken in the lives of people.
Mr.Love - The GPL's purpose is to provide Freedom - that also means Freedom from Technology Companies who bully the public and dictate technology options. I am an atheist, and Linux is *NOT* my Religion; I too am a pragmatist. I see GNU/Linux as a libre/gratis gift to The People - one that cannot be exploited by people such as yourself.
Not all things are for profit. Pursuing Profit with regards to all things is not justified. Not all things should be involved in the economy.
The "Information Economy" is just another excuse to keep economic power where it is.
.sig is brilliant. There is no "information economy" - just thought/mind control.
The "information economy" is a game of public opinion to allow the 'economic powers that be' to extend the system they built (current economy) into a place that it does not apply. They thought, " what do we do now that we can make more widgets than anyone could ever want? we steal the things that will flourish resulting from the mastery of physical production - we will take ownership of the things that people were promised they would explore when 'the work is done' - culture, art, literature, public discourse, politics"-all the things we are supposed to do after we are finished labouring to make widgets.
Your
Think Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, just on a much larger scale, only the bottom few layers require an economy. The others are what we should expect as a result of being freed from these 'basic needs'. It seems that capitalists wants to commodititze *all* of humanity.
notion of an alternative - democratic, even socialist - economy
Agreed. Solidarity, friend.
Where are all these fantasy stories of "mismanaged" dot-coms coming from? Why is it so vogue now to ridicule dot-coms?
When the Internet exploded - it caused massive cultural change. The kind of things Katz is famous for ranting about *are* possibilities, broad flat publishing, heightened communication, empowerment in various ways, re-invigorating communities of all kinds - DO and DID occur because of the Internet. The Internet has been the single greatest Cultural Revolution to happen in the last 15-20 years.
But its success is something very unique - it did not translate into massive, powerful profitable businesses? Why? Because not everything that is culturally significant is economically significant. So when VCs flocked to the Internet (a whopping 4-8 years ago) they expected to become rich by riding the economic saddle of this explosion. Well that did not happen. The Internet is proving to be a very hostile to their economics.
So - what is my point? It is a sad commentary that we will ridicule and malign what is a significant cultural event. I understand that trying to run a 'business' as is described in the article is a funny. What is very funny (in the Strange sense not the "ha ha" sense) is that there is no mechanism or ability for people to participate in our world in this way. In all the world there is no opportunity for people to manage via Role-Playing - why the fuck not? I think there should be.
Every day millions of us goto our places of work and participate in the inhuman charade that robs us of our Life. Most of us probably would rather being doing something Else with our time. It is truly sad that there are NO OPPORUNITIES in the world to do something different. Why does everything in the world need to participate in the un-reality that is the business world. For a very short time people were equipped and empowered to build something they found interesting. Allot people will downplay the Katz description of the Internet as being insignificant - while i agree it is not the most important thing in existence - it is profound and exciting in many ways.
It is really troubling to think of the other 'significant' things that humanity could enjoy, what strange and different ideas could be explored - in a large way - that may prove to be significant in our lives - but *ARENT* pursued or built or conceived or developed or explained or discussed or shared or whatever simply because it does not participate in the world in an *Economically* significant way.
Where is humanity going? What are goals? Is it to consume and work and conceive of nothing else if it doesn't work in our broken 'economic' reality?
This is a very difficult thing to express - im ranting a bit (and definitely running on) but I hope everyone 'gets my point'. Most will read this as a simple anit-capitalist tie-raid(sp?) - which pragmatically it is - I mean it to be a whole lot more than that.
Yeah - Im a godless Communist. Whats your point?
such as the respect of basic courtesy; the respect of being heard with an open mind
Your right - I may have overstated my point (or not been clear enough). As a personal aside; I am generally polite and respectfull of strangers. I am not rude in public - i dont swear at waitersses/waiters. I didnt really mean to suggest otherwise.
I feel the same way. Im Canadian. There are very powerful lobbies in Washington (Military-Industrial-Complex) who are buying this crap. Bush is a twit. A pawn. Americans should be ashamed that this POS is their president.
Him firing up this star-wars project - is stupid beyond reason. Who the fuck wants another arms race? Im with you brother - no goddamn way should they be doing this crap.
If they wanted to start a movement to cover the whole globe, in an international effort to end the ICBM threat from ANY nation, where the system was in control of the UN (or the military council if the permanent members were removed) - then I may consider it... otherwise this is an aggressive effort by the US and should be condemned by My Government and Yours.
US while allowing China to pollute as much as it wants
Ohh the big evil China.. anything can be justified because of the Chinease - i seem to remember anything being justified becuase of the Russians at one point... americans are fucking sheep... get a clue - your media & government whip up a public hysteria about 'the enemy' anytime it wants to do something stupid - are you people that fucking dumb?
this has nothing to do with China or other polluters - it has to do with bush repaying the big companies who elected him buy not upsetting the status quo (for any reason - no matter how grave) just to protect their pocket books. They are allowed to rape and pillage the commons now - they make profit now - they like it this way.
Who are the twits who go along with the 'china is an economic adversary - we cannot let the chinese any advantage!" propaganda? Maybe you could petition the UN to ask China to *ALSO* join Kyoto. That would be a solution - not *DROPPING OUT* just to maintain your economic imperialism... fucking assholes.
America is a rogue state. It is not a Democracy but a Plutocracy. It should be expelled from all international bodies - the world should end trade, travel and co-operation with the USA until they democratically elect a government and remove the puppets with Big Corp. up their ass.
most dirty, smelly
Hippies smell like *HUMANS*. no matter what your television tells you, *HUMANS* do not smell like 'spring sunshine and roses'. That is reality - everything else is marketing.
too stupid to be anything but honest
What? Intellegent people are dishonest liars?
non-accepting
If you are not honest with yourself - and honest with others - how do you expect to be accepted?
Could it be that information monopolies retard technological advancement by sequestering knowledge?
Yes - Welcome to The Economic Domination of Everything(TM).
hippies and stuff
Why is being a hippy a bad thing? Hippies are some of the most beautiful, accepting, honest and trustworthy people I know... self-styled hippies are generally terrific people - it takes a solid person to live your life without falling into the Big Trap that saps most peoples life away for nothing...
If i wasnt a coward - id drop out too.