I don't have much experience with XFS, but I do use BeOS and it uses BFS which is a 64-bit journalling FS, and based on that experience I would say that a journalling FS would be a great addition to linux. Not only do you get a stupidly huge max file limit (which doesn't mean much now but will be great when you have a couple of TB+ movies lying around on your hard drive) but the FS is extremly robust... pull the plug in the middle of a large file cp/mv and not only does the machine restart normaly (no fsck) it resumes the copy from where it was when the power went out
Be also has other FS related goodies like searchable file attributes and mime types, but thats a different story.
AfterStep and i guess the config/admin tools are gnome. The desktop environment is lame IMO & the admin tools are not much better. Now I haven't used the latest and greatest KDE/whatever desktop so maybe linux can do better than what Im seeing now, but unless they are orders of magnitude better linux still has a very long way to go in the desktop world.
On the tech side Id like to see better SMP support (when I used SMP under linux (2.0.* kernels I think) I was NOT impressed. Also I'd like to see threads used alot more (the BeOS GUI benefits greatly from its multi threaded nature) A journalling fs would be nice as well as atributes and mime encoding.
I just installed RH 5.2 at work and Linux is alot easier to install than when i first did a slackware install in the dim and distant days of yore. However you still need to know what you want/need to intall and you have to understand what the disk partition is all about. Otherwise it was like a windoze install without the reboots.
(BeOS of course takes less than 15 minutes from putting the CD-ROM in the drive to surfing the net)
However I must disagree about ease of use after install, linux still has a long way to go in the desktop/GUI area before its as easy to use as BeOS. BeOS does need more apps, but there are already enough there for me to do 90% of what i want to do in BeOS. And yes, I think X does look crappy, and after using BeOS's GUI I find it fairly slow & clunky also.
The "Av8B" is the US version of the harrier is built under license from British Aerospace, and still uses the Rolls Royce Pegasus engine (its the only jet engine with 4 fully vectorable nozzels) British Areospace collaborated with McDonnell Douglas on the Harrier2/AV8B upgrade from the original Harrier. The harrier2 is also manufactured in the UK by British Areospace in various versions (including the Sea Harrier used by the Royal navy)
Sone people use linux simply because they thin its "133t" If these people quit using linux if/when itt becomes a mainstream OS then linux as whole is probably better off without them.
THe long term success of linux will be based on its utility as a tool. People will continue to use linux until something better comes along. Some seem to beleive that linux is the Ultimate Answer to OSes, that all we need to do is to continue to tweek linux and add new features and that there's no need for other OSes. This is so wrong, its as daft as that guy who claimed it was "the end of history" when the Cold War ended.
Sooner or later something better will come along and people will use it because its the better tool. The OSS-religous types are stuck with linux, I just don't see a new OS coming out of the OSS community, linux is now as much a part of their religion as the GPL. I hope im wrong about that and a truly modern OS will emerge from the OSS model, but I doubt it.
As a disclaimer I must say that I'm an ex-linux user myself. I used linux for 4 years, but Ive switched to BeOS. BeOS is certainly not the best solution for alot of/. readers, but for me its the better tool. When i go back and use a linux system Im struck by how clunky X is and the system as a whole doesn't seem as fast as it once did.
The UNIX model is not the ONLY way to make a decent OS. Sooner or later something will displace linux,whether its BeOS, Hurd, QNX or something else, i have no idea, but it will happen.
Here is the very first sentance of Katz's post, as you obviously have trouble with the English language I have emphasied the relevant part
"Columns last week on Ticket Booth Tyranny drew well over a thousand e-mail messages, mostly from kids (including many of those ushers) enraged at theater chain restrictions, posturing and hypocrisy, and scrambling to buy DVD's and build home theaters. "
Ther real problem with civil liberties is the attitude displayed in the above post. Civil liberties are being eroded not becuase the big bad government is out to get ordinary citizens, but because ordinary citizens voulantarily give them up. They are convinced by Law Enforcement and politicians that 1) they're not really giving much up and 2) that in doing so they'll be "protecting the children" or "preventing terrorism". The politicains want to get elected so they play on people's fears, and law enforcement always wants more tools to its job.
Anyone seen the 4th amendment recently? Ah yes we gave that up in the "war on drugs" in the 80s, and look what a success thats been. But its much harder to regain protections against unreasonable searches or seizure of property without conviction than it is to give them up.
Technology is yeilding more and more opportunities for law enforecement to monitor everything in order to catch a few criminals. they see a new tool and they want it, its up to us whether we give them what they want. The "know your customer" thing was stopped becuase ordinary citizens and the banks themselves told them that it was too high a proce to pay to catch a few money launderers.
We at least have some influence over law enforcement, the REAL threat comes from entities like insurance companies and marketing firms collecting infomaation on people, over whom we have little influence but alot to loose.
"but have ever actualy seen any terrorists?" -Brazil
While I agree that the FBI is going too far with sort of thing, and if they can't tell where you're calling from thats their problem (if there is a true national security problem the surely have the resourses to excercise alternative methods to do what they need to do) I must say this "the governement is out to get law abiding citizens" thing is such a crock! Get a grip dude!
Why woud they go to all these lengths to gather info on everybody just to sell it to corporations? thats just ridiculous. If they want more money they raise your taxes. Duh!
"I'll bet you friend has to use those "perks" because he doesn't have any spare time outside of work"
Actually he works about 8-9 hours a day. The only reason I didn't immediately apply at the same time was that I concerned that you would be expected to sleep under your desk! I don't know what the other benefits are like (eg vacation)
Personly I'd rather have 4+ weeks of paid time off (like in Europe) than a "free" lunch.
My point is that these type of benefits is not limited to big name corps in Silicon Valley.
A freind of mine works for a smallish software comapny here in the mid west that provides on site dry cleaning pick up, haircuts etc. free sodas & catered lunch every day, and a Concierge service for various errands. The competition for coders is so strong that it takes these kind of perks to attract and keep talented people (not to mention the bloated salaries;-) Its not only that the employees end up being more productive but its also necessary to get and above all keep people.
My point about Reno being appointed during the Waco standoff was that initial (IMO incredibly stupid) attack was initiated by her predecessor (A Bush apointee).
IMO once the standoff with a seperatist, heavily armed, apolypitic religous cult like the Branch Davidians had started a pecful ending is very unlikely.
Yes Reno did take responsibilty for the way it ended, and obviously in hindsight it was a stupid was to try and end the standoff. However to say that the way that incident ended was indicative of the way a President in power for a few months and of his AG in office for a few weeks approaches civil rights is stupid. It takes time for a new leader of any organization to put his or her mark on the way that organization does business, and the bigger the organization the longer it takes. Waco (and obviously the pre-Clinton/Reno Ruby Ridge) is a result of Reagan & Bush's "tough on Crime" attitude.
On one Simpsons episode Homer goes back to college and hangs out with a bunch of computer nerds who, guess what, know all the words to the Holy Grail (just like me!)
Ruby Ridge happened in the summer of 1992, BEFORE Clinton was elected and BEFORE Reno was appointed.
In fact Reno was appointed DURING the Waco standoff, so you can blame ruby Ridge and the initial incredibly boneheaded paramilitary-assult-with-cameras-in-tow on George Bush and his appointees. Bush of course was a Republican and for some reason alot people seem to think that the Republicans care more about civil rights than the other lot. People who point to Waco & Ruby Ridge as examples of Clinton & Reno's disregard for civil rights are blaming THE WRONG PEOPLE Blame the GOP if you must blame a political party. The only "civil right" that the GOP care about more than the Democrats is the 2nd amendment. After all its every American's right to defend himself against bad stock market investemnts with a hand gun.
They were offered the chance to buy stock aat the IPO price. An IPO works like this: the company works with an underwriter, the underwriter buys n million shares at x dollars per. This is how the company gets its money. In the case of the recent Be IPO it was 6 million shares at $6 per = 36 million for J-LG et al. The underwriter then sells the shares at some mark up to "subscribers" who are usualy trading fimrs who then sell them on the market. This is how the underwriter makes their money. Using Be as an example the stock started trading in the 8-9 range, this did not effect how much money Be raised as they has already sold to the underwriter (its now trading in the 6-7 range) T
he offer these people got was to buy shares at the IPO price not at what ever the open market price is when public trading starts. This almost garuntees a hefty profit if those shares are sold on the first day or so (its very typical for an IPO share to shoot up in the first day and then fall in the following week or so to a more stable price) Even if they did not sell right away (and assuming the stock trends upwards over the long term) they stand to make more money than if they bought on the open market.
Long distance telcos have done something along these lines: they used to (maybe still do) block access to a competitors 1-800 number for calling card calls. It just goes to show that when companies get too much control they end up as parasites (e.g. insurance companies) and cease to earn their profits.
Actually they try and and monitor all traffic world wide, it is used to do industrial espionage on the Japanese as well as the Europeans. Furthoermore although its illegal for the US to spy on US citizens communications without a warrent, its not illegal for the UK or NZ or Austrailia to do so and to share any information they deem important with the US. IF your teleophone call bounces off a satelite, or your e-mail uses a international cable Echelon can see it.
If it wasn't obvious already, here is all the motivation you need to routinely encrypt every network traffic you can. With routine logging of activity and computerized searches of the reulting databases the possibility of misuse ranging from unauthorized abuse by individuals up to systematic clandestine surveilance of everyday netizens is immence.
The only efective way to combat this is routine use of strong encryption no matter how innocuous the nature of what you're doing. The congress won't do much as these things are always justified in terms of stronger law enforcemnt aginst stalker pedophile spies form China (or whatever the bad-guy-du-jour is) And your representitive/senator can't appear to be "soft on crime" now can they?
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I don't have much experience with XFS, but I do use BeOS and it uses BFS which is a 64-bit journalling FS, and based on that experience I would say that a journalling FS would be a great addition to linux. Not only do you get a stupidly huge max file limit (which doesn't mean much now but will be great when you have a couple of TB+ movies lying around on your hard drive) but the FS is extremly robust... pull the plug in the middle of a large file cp/mv and not only does the machine restart normaly (no fsck) it resumes the copy from where it was when the power went out
Be also has other FS related goodies like searchable file attributes and mime types, but thats a different story.
AfterStep and i guess the config/admin tools are gnome. The desktop environment is lame IMO & the admin tools are not much better. Now I haven't used the latest and greatest KDE/whatever desktop so maybe linux can do better than what Im seeing now, but unless they are orders of magnitude better linux still has a very long way to go in the desktop world.
On the tech side Id like to see better SMP support (when I used SMP under linux (2.0.* kernels I think) I was NOT impressed. Also I'd like to see threads used alot more (the BeOS GUI benefits greatly from its multi threaded nature) A journalling fs would be nice as well as atributes and mime encoding.
I just installed RH 5.2 at work and Linux is alot easier to install than when i first did a slackware install in the dim and distant days of yore. However you still need to know what you want/need to intall and you have to understand what the disk partition is all about. Otherwise it was like a windoze install without the reboots.
(BeOS of course takes less than 15 minutes from putting the CD-ROM in the drive to surfing the net)
However I must disagree about ease of use after install, linux still has a long way to go in the desktop/GUI area before its as easy to use as BeOS. BeOS does need more apps, but there are already enough there for me to do 90% of what i want to do in BeOS. And yes, I think X does look crappy, and after using BeOS's GUI I find it fairly slow & clunky also.
The whole point of Beta testing is to find flaws and bugs so you CAN finish the software
The "Av8B" is the US version of the harrier is built under license from British Aerospace, and still uses the Rolls Royce Pegasus engine (its the only jet engine with 4 fully vectorable nozzels) British Areospace collaborated with McDonnell Douglas on the Harrier2/AV8B upgrade from the original Harrier. The harrier2 is also manufactured in the UK by British Areospace in various versions (including the Sea Harrier used by the Royal navy)
I can see it now: Slashdotters join this cyber-nation and immediately start complaining that their rights are being violated!
Peasant:"help help! Im being repressed!"
King:"Bloody peasant!"
Sone people use linux simply because they thin its "133t" If these people quit using linux if/when itt becomes a mainstream OS then linux as whole is probably better off without them.
/. readers, but for me its the better tool. When i go back and use a linux system Im struck by how clunky X is and the system as a whole doesn't seem as fast as it once did.
THe long term success of linux will be based on its utility as a tool. People will continue to use linux until something better comes along. Some seem to beleive that linux is the Ultimate Answer to OSes, that all we need to do is to continue to tweek linux and add new features and that there's no need for other OSes. This is so wrong, its as daft as that guy who claimed it was "the end of history" when the Cold War ended.
Sooner or later something better will come along and people will use it because its the better tool. The OSS-religous types are stuck with linux, I just don't see a new OS coming out of the OSS community, linux is now as much a part of their religion as the GPL. I hope im wrong about that and a truly modern OS will emerge from the OSS model, but I doubt it.
As a disclaimer I must say that I'm an ex-linux user myself. I used linux for 4 years, but Ive switched to BeOS. BeOS is certainly not the best solution for alot of
The UNIX model is not the ONLY way to make a decent OS. Sooner or later something will displace linux,whether its BeOS, Hurd, QNX or something else, i have no idea, but it will happen.
Here is the very first sentance of Katz's post, as you obviously have trouble with the English language I have emphasied the relevant part
"Columns last week on Ticket Booth Tyranny drew well over a thousand e-mail messages, mostly from kids (including many of those ushers) enraged at theater chain restrictions, posturing and hypocrisy, and scrambling to buy DVD's and build home theaters.
"
Hes talking about e-mails sent directly to him, not AC comments on /. Beleive it or not /. comments are not a representitive sample of the population!
Ther real problem with civil liberties is the attitude displayed in the above post. Civil liberties are being eroded not becuase the big bad government is out to get ordinary citizens, but because ordinary citizens voulantarily give them up. They are convinced by Law Enforcement and politicians that 1) they're not really giving much up and 2) that in doing so they'll be "protecting the children" or "preventing terrorism". The politicains want to get elected so they play on people's fears, and law enforcement always wants more tools to its job.
Anyone seen the 4th amendment recently? Ah yes we gave that up in the "war on drugs" in the 80s, and look what a success thats been. But its much harder to regain protections against unreasonable searches or seizure of property without conviction than it is to give them up.
Technology is yeilding more and more opportunities for law enforecement to monitor everything in order to catch a few criminals. they see a new tool and they want it, its up to us whether we give them what they want. The "know your customer" thing was stopped becuase ordinary citizens and the banks themselves told them that it was too high a proce to pay to catch a few money launderers.
We at least have some influence over law enforcement, the REAL threat comes from entities like insurance companies and marketing firms collecting infomaation on people, over whom we have little influence but alot to loose.
"but have ever actualy seen any terrorists?" -Brazil
While I agree that the FBI is going too far with sort of thing, and if they can't tell where you're calling from thats their problem (if there is a true national security problem the surely have the resourses to excercise alternative methods to do what they need to do) I must say this "the governement is out to get law abiding citizens" thing is such a crock! Get a grip dude!
Why woud they go to all these lengths to gather info on everybody just to sell it to corporations? thats just ridiculous. If they want more money they raise your taxes. Duh!
In my original post, i mentioned that this company is located in the mid-west, housing costs are actually quite low here!
"I'll bet you friend has to use those "perks" because he doesn't have any spare time outside of work"
Actually he works about 8-9 hours a day. The only reason I didn't immediately apply at the same time was that I concerned that you would be expected to sleep under your desk! I don't know what the other benefits are like (eg vacation)
Personly I'd rather have 4+ weeks of paid time off (like in Europe) than a "free" lunch.
My point is that these type of benefits is not limited to big name corps in Silicon Valley.
A freind of mine works for a smallish software comapny here in the mid west that provides on site dry cleaning pick up, haircuts etc. free sodas & catered lunch every day, and a Concierge service for various errands. The competition for coders is so strong that it takes these kind of perks to attract and keep talented people (not to mention the bloated salaries ;-) Its not only that the employees end up being more productive but its also necessary to get and above all keep people.
Spike Milligan!
"Let us.. Let us pray"
My point about Reno being appointed during the Waco standoff was that initial (IMO incredibly stupid) attack was initiated by her predecessor (A Bush apointee).
IMO once the standoff with a seperatist, heavily armed, apolypitic religous cult like the Branch Davidians had started a pecful ending is very unlikely.
Yes Reno did take responsibilty for the way it ended, and obviously in hindsight it was a stupid was to try and end the standoff. However to say that the way that incident ended was indicative of the way a President in power for a few months and of his AG in office for a few weeks approaches civil rights is stupid. It takes time for a new leader of any organization to put his or her mark on the way that organization does business, and the bigger the organization the longer it takes. Waco (and obviously the pre-Clinton/Reno Ruby Ridge) is a result of Reagan & Bush's "tough on Crime" attitude.
Oh wow that is the funniest thing ive seen in a LONG time!
ON september 28 A&E will release the first 2 seasons of the Flying Circus on DVD!!!
"And after the spanking there's the oral sex"
"-- well I could stay a bit longer..."
On one Simpsons episode Homer goes back to college and hangs out with a bunch of computer nerds who, guess what, know all the words to the Holy Grail (just like me!)
Ni!
Oh... Intercourse the penguin!
Ruby Ridge happened in the summer of 1992, BEFORE Clinton was elected and BEFORE Reno was appointed.
In fact Reno was appointed DURING the Waco standoff, so you can blame ruby Ridge and the initial incredibly boneheaded paramilitary-assult-with-cameras-in-tow on George Bush and his appointees. Bush of course was a Republican and for some reason alot people seem to think that the Republicans care more about civil rights than the other lot. People who point to Waco & Ruby Ridge as examples of Clinton & Reno's disregard for civil rights are blaming THE WRONG PEOPLE Blame the GOP if you must blame a political party. The only "civil right" that the GOP care about more than the Democrats is the 2nd amendment. After all its every American's right to defend himself against bad stock market investemnts with a hand gun.
They were offered the chance to buy stock aat the IPO price. An IPO works like this: the company works with an underwriter, the underwriter buys n million shares at x dollars per. This is how the company gets its money. In the case of the recent Be IPO it was 6 million shares at $6 per = 36 million for J-LG et al. The underwriter then sells the shares at some mark up to "subscribers" who are usualy trading fimrs who then sell them on the market. This is how the underwriter makes their money. Using Be as an example the stock started trading in the 8-9 range, this did not effect how much money Be raised as they has already sold to the underwriter (its now trading in the 6-7 range) T
he offer these people got was to buy shares at the IPO price not at what ever the open market price is when public trading starts. This almost garuntees a hefty profit if those shares are sold on the first day or so (its very typical for an IPO share to shoot up in the first day and then fall in the following week or so to a more stable price) Even if they did not sell right away (and assuming the stock trends upwards over the long term) they stand to make more money than if they bought on the open market.
Long distance telcos have done something along these lines: they used to (maybe still do) block access to a competitors 1-800 number for calling card calls. It just goes to show that when companies get too much control they end up as parasites (e.g. insurance companies) and cease to earn their profits.
Actually they try and and monitor all traffic world wide, it is used to do industrial espionage on the Japanese as well as the Europeans. Furthoermore although its illegal for the US to spy on US citizens communications without a warrent, its not illegal for the UK or NZ or Austrailia to do so and to share any information they deem important with the US. IF your teleophone call bounces off a satelite, or your e-mail uses a international cable Echelon can see it.
If it wasn't obvious already, here is all the motivation you need to routinely encrypt every network traffic you can. With routine logging of activity and computerized searches of the reulting databases the possibility of misuse ranging from unauthorized abuse by individuals up to systematic clandestine surveilance of everyday netizens is immence.
The only efective way to combat this is routine use of strong encryption no matter how innocuous the nature of what you're doing. The congress won't do much as these things are always justified in terms of stronger law enforcemnt aginst stalker pedophile spies form China (or whatever the bad-guy-du-jour is) And your representitive/senator can't appear to be "soft on crime" now can they?