As much has been in the computer industry there is a fundamental contridiction with Cyc.
Though it maintains a collection of integrated common sense, it is without the common sense of practical productive use.
I suspect the project has particially gone public in the hope that bit of common sense use will be found/input. At which point you can be sure it will then be extracted from the open public version and proprietaryly put in to the commercial/private version. Insuring practical use is limited to select and paid users.
The analogy or metaphor to what you say is how continuly adding another 9 to.999 will eventually equal 1. It's always just a step away even when you take the next step. It'll always be in the horizon, no matter how far you walk towards the horizon.
It's a data base, but the machinery of cyc is not the solution to it's use. it's only the solution to "almost" and that's all that it can ever be. For it's approach is wrong.
I should add that I'm so tired of Microsofts abstraction manipulations, or lies and manipulations of the meaning of words, etc...
It's like the boy who cried wolf. At some point it just becomes more productive to simple ignore them and their distortion. While focusing on that which is without alot of crying wolf.
Remember that developer use of.net is constrained to non-GLP work.
I'm not interested in it. In fact I'm less then zero interested in it, as the generic brand contains the same ingredients and cost a whole hell of a lot less.
For those stuck on words used. Microsoft is a brand name. GNU, FSF, GPL is the generic indicator, organization of establishing the generic and the licensing of the generic that insures it stays that way.
I thought this story was a bit out of the/. realm except there is a matter of using the waste of the bit bucket to feed something else......
But I'm having problems figuring out what, as the open source software and free software don't ever really seem to get thrown in the waste pile. However, the commercial strives to fuel the bit bucket waste can.
It's not about this thing or that thing being bad, it's about people and how they use things to be bad.
Maybe automobiles and trucks should be added to the list of terrorist tools that should be ban, along with anything that can be use to make a bomb.
In fact, why don't we just make up a list of all things that can be used to kill.....Guess that would include water....
But it's really about people, what they do, and most important WHY?
Like what is terrorist reason to do bad things?
Or Like why was a trillion dollar bet allowed to happen? Hmmmm, isn't Indonesia like 80% or better muslin?
And Why is military spending not being used to address and remove reasons to be a terrorist or do bad things? Certainly it cost us all alot more backing up wrongful world financial manipulations with guns, then it would in being more productive with such military labeled finances.
So yeah, on the list of things that can be used for terrorist act, we really do have to add the world militaries, as common sence will tell anyone that the majority of people living on this planet don't want war but only to live a happy and healthy life.
It's just the few creating wars and bad things, spending huges amount of money that can be far better spent.
...in order for the technology of the computer industry, especially the software industry, to cause the long awaited and expected but yet to be delivered economic ripple effect not only does open source software need to exist but freely available, no strings attached, autocoding tools that are easy for the general user to use.
It is no more the software industries task to know all that is required to do all programming for all industries and fields then it is the task of a lumber mill to build all things that are made of wood, but rather only focus on developing and applying the expertise of milling wood or for the software industry, creating the tools and resources used by various industries and fields to do with as they see fit.
For those who think this is not possible, they have a problems accepting the self recursion possibilities of automating software code development. Odd, because the Computer software industry seems to be able to automate a great deal on other industries and fields. Where the act of automation is to take complexity that is made up of simpler things and package it in a manner that make it easy to use over and over.
For a company like MS that holds so much control due to the lack of autocoding tools, the development and distribution of such tools would certainly be the marker for the ern of ashes.
In the industry of autocoding, the problem seems to be one of bias away from doing it right, but then there is GNU, GPL and the comming of the Hurd....
Ultimately, the solution required for the economic ripple effect to be caused to happen is that of not only OSS but that software of such nature where the clear objective in producing it is to reap the direct productivity value of it's use within the industries and fields where it is used, rather than the indirect and disconnected profit of an external to the various industries and fields.
Alot of people just don't seem to get the economic big picture, even many in the so called GNU tribe. The answer to the question "why is there no real defence against GPL?" is only the fabricated licensing restrictions against using it by monopolies such as MS. Who has been found guilty of federal defined criminal activity.....that apparently many have to be constantly reminded of.
Back to basics: Do you believe lying is OK?
Uh...ninth wonder of the world.
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seems the slot for the eight wonder of the world is already taken by Coral Castle but hey seeing how slash dot has posted two wrong urls in stories lately.....:)
If you know the history of Islam, you will know that this matter is hypocritical, as Islam collected a great deal of knowledge from other countries (not to mention conquring (sp?).....) without paying royalities. That it was such a collection of knowledge that at one time made Islam a value of high quality products.
It would be much easier and cost effective to establish it as prior art. There are other ways to protect intellectual property intended for the "commons" or GPL then going to the patent office.
As we all know current IP laws are designed for the purpose of being able to apply constraints, that is to say "no. you cannot use".
Perhaps the greatest value of this is to preceive it as a test of weither or not a company can or will follow the FSF/GNU/GPL spirit.
and probably also trust that the administration of the US government didn't know the so called terrorists would use planes as missles into buildings is a perfect excuse. And hey, it only cost 30 billion.....
S.L./W. - Not only does a single measly rule account for everything, but if one day we actually see the rule, he predicts, we'll probably find it unimpressive. "One might expect," he writes, "that in the end there would be nothing special about the rule for our universe - just as there has turned out to be nothing special about our position in the solar system or the galaxy."
Ok existance exist, but what's in it can change, just like consciousness either exist or not but what exist in consciousness is changeable.
Are consciousness and existance related?
EQUATIONS: Conversion / Translation
E = MC - EINSTEIN E = Energy, M = Matter, C = Speed of Light Squared.
T1 = T2 k - SPINOZA T1 = non-mystical thought, T2 = things in physical reality, k = the active constant.
T1 ( I + E ) = v T2 (k) - Di SILVESTRO I = degree of Intent, E = degree of Effort, v = velocity of conversion.
Einstein searched until the moment he died for the equation of the "Unified Field Theory". He never realized the missing element was the same element that caused so much of his life to be what it was. From the cheers and recognition from supporters of his work to the threats on his life, exile out of his country and destruction of publications on his work. All this caused from the element Einstein was exercising, but not realizing, the element of consciousness. It was Einsteins' conscious efforts that lead him to produced his work. The consciousness of those who recognized his work and put forth the effort to honor him for it. The conscious efforts of some to create an illusion, leading many into action of threat, destruction and force to have a physical impact on Einstein and many others. And it was the conscious efforts to apply Einsteins' work that contributed to creating the physical power that removed the force which cause Einstein to leave his country. Perhaps Einstein did come to intimately know what the missing element was, in those last few moments of his life.
The Spinoza equation "T1 = T2 k" expresses two perspectives: All things in physical reality can be comprehended/translated into conscious thought and conscious thought can be converted/translated into physical reality. For those who have doubt about the validity of this equation: Look around and note all the physical things you perceive. Then determine, to the best of your ability, what exist as a result of conscious comprehension of physical reality and conscious directed action, effort and intent to apply physical movement to create? In other words: What do you see that originated in conscious imagination?
For those still in doubt: What don't you perceive, but know by what you do perceive, that there must exist both the conscious ability to comprehend physical reality and conscious imagination to cause intentional control of physical reality? (i.e. Computer usage and its internal operations. Software and it's existence on magnetic media. Disease identification and treatment or cure. Radio wave creation used in sending and receiving data, and its' translation to and from what we can perceive - music, pictures of stars we cannot see from earth but now know they exist. The life we create via genetic control and duplication, etc..)
The common wealth is neither communist or capitalistic, but simple value in which we all share and benefit from. There is no king of the hill game going on but rather a wealth spread thruout the land and secure because of it.
Why anyone would want to distort this can only lead one to recognize a king of the hill game player. Or someone who raises themself up by putting others down.
You mean I have to wait till 2012 before there is a reason to remove all the bloat from software so that it runs at optimum speed and does something useful?
Hmmm, what's the copy protection pushing politicians gonna use as an arguement for slowing computers down with bloat, in 2012?
So now you don't even have to tell every company and their brothers company that you do business with that you want your privacy, but you have to do it monthly???
Shouldn't privacy be a default thing to respect? Why should I have to constantly defend it?
Can I charge for infringment of my privacy? (like charging for spam?)
"To request your privacy options, tell us your life history. We want to make sure it's you, before we consider granting you temporary privacy."
If you do not allow us to use up bandwidth sending you stuff you do not want then you should pay us for lost revenues.
Slashdot Mirror
rather than repeating myself This usenet post covers why there is no other way.
I've posted information and links regarding commercial autocoding here and in usenet before.
Use google to do a usenet search, if you are so inclined.
good example of someone lacking common sense.
Do you really think that programming a computer to manipulate a database of common sense information will somehow make common sense available to you?
if common sense has to be explained, then is it really common sense?
So explain to me again how this database will someday reach the use goals it has.
As much has been in the computer industry there is a fundamental contridiction with Cyc.
Though it maintains a collection of integrated common sense, it is without the common sense of practical productive use.
I suspect the project has particially gone public in the hope that bit of common sense use will be found/input. At which point you can be sure it will then be extracted from the open public version and proprietaryly put in to the commercial/private version. Insuring practical use is limited to select and paid users.
Or how to charge for common sense.
The analogy or metaphor to what you say is how continuly adding another 9 to .999 will eventually equal 1. It's always just a step away even when you take the next step. It'll always be in the horizon, no matter how far you walk towards the horizon.
It's a data base, but the machinery of cyc is not the solution to it's use. it's only the solution to "almost" and that's all that it can ever be. For it's approach is wrong.
I should add that I'm so tired of Microsofts abstraction manipulations, or lies and manipulations of the meaning of words, etc...
.net is constrained to non-GLP work.
It's like the boy who cried wolf. At some point it just becomes more productive to simple ignore them and their distortion. While focusing on that which is without alot of crying wolf.
Remember that developer use of
That's what this is about, Branding!!!
I'm not interested in it. In fact I'm less then zero interested in it, as the generic brand contains the same ingredients and cost a whole hell of a lot less.
For those stuck on words used. Microsoft is a brand name. GNU, FSF, GPL is the generic indicator, organization of establishing the generic and the licensing of the generic that insures it stays that way.
I thought this story was a bit out of the /. realm except there is a matter of using the waste of the bit bucket to feed something else......
But I'm having problems figuring out what, as the open source software and free software don't ever really seem to get thrown in the waste pile. However, the commercial strives to fuel the bit bucket waste can.
Life causes death
what goes up must come down
Open source software enables cacking security
Locks are for honesty people
What we make, we can break
etc..
It's not about this thing or that thing being bad, it's about people and how they use things to be bad.
Maybe automobiles and trucks should be added to the list of terrorist tools that should be ban, along with anything that can be use to make a bomb.
In fact, why don't we just make up a list of all things that can be used to kill.....Guess that would include water....
But it's really about people, what they do, and most important WHY?
Like what is terrorist reason to do bad things?
Or Like why was a trillion dollar bet allowed to happen? Hmmmm, isn't Indonesia like 80% or better muslin?
And Why is military spending not being used to address and remove reasons to be a terrorist or do bad things? Certainly it cost us all alot more backing up wrongful world financial manipulations with guns, then it would in being more productive with such military labeled finances.
So yeah, on the list of things that can be used for terrorist act, we really do have to add the world militaries, as common sence will tell anyone that the majority of people living on this planet don't want war but only to live a happy and healthy life.
It's just the few creating wars and bad things, spending huges amount of money that can be far better spent.
It's a simple question that really has a simple yes or no answer. Anything else is just an deceptive excuse.
it's not the castle, but how it was built and then moved that is a wonderment.
for something to be considered a "wonder of the world" there needs to be a "wonder" part to it.
:)
...in order for the technology of the computer industry, especially the software industry, to cause the long awaited and expected but yet to be delivered economic ripple effect not only does open source software need to exist but freely available, no strings attached, autocoding tools that are easy for the general user to use.
It is no more the software industries task to know all that is required to do all programming for all industries and fields then it is the task of a lumber mill to build all things that are made of wood, but rather only focus on developing and applying the expertise of milling wood or for the software industry, creating the tools and resources used by various industries and fields to do with as they see fit.
For those who think this is not possible, they have a problems accepting the self recursion possibilities of automating software code development. Odd, because the Computer software industry seems to be able to automate a great deal on other industries and fields. Where the act of automation is to take complexity that is made up of simpler things and package it in a manner that make it easy to use over and over.
For a company like MS that holds so much control due to the lack of autocoding tools, the development and distribution of such tools would certainly be the marker for the ern of ashes.
In the industry of autocoding, the problem seems to be one of bias away from doing it right, but then there is GNU, GPL and the comming of the Hurd....
Ultimately, the solution required for the economic ripple effect to be caused to happen is that of not only OSS but that software of such nature where the clear objective in producing it is to reap the direct productivity value of it's use within the industries and fields where it is used, rather than the indirect and disconnected profit of an external to the various industries and fields.
Alot of people just don't seem to get the economic big picture, even many in the so called GNU tribe. The answer to the question "why is there no real defence against GPL?" is only the fabricated licensing restrictions against using it by monopolies such as MS. Who has been found guilty of federal defined criminal activity.....that apparently many have to be constantly reminded of.
Back to basics: Do you believe lying is OK?
seems the slot for the eight wonder of the world is already taken by Coral Castle but hey seeing how slash dot has posted two wrong urls in stories lately.....:)
If you know the history of Islam, you will know that this matter is hypocritical, as Islam collected a great deal of knowledge from other countries (not to mention conquring (sp?) .....) without paying royalities.
That it was such a collection of knowledge that at one time made Islam a value of high quality products.
That those who fight piracy and die for it get ten virgin floppies?
Or are they soiled by the catholic church first?
If this is a counter action to be used against MS anti-GPL license then it really should be held by a well defined pro GPL party, such as the FSF.
It would be much easier and cost effective to establish it as prior art. There are other ways to protect intellectual property intended for the "commons" or GPL then going to the patent office.
As we all know current IP laws are designed for the purpose of being able to apply constraints, that is to say "no. you cannot use".
Perhaps the greatest value of this is to preceive it as a test of weither or not a company can or will follow the FSF/GNU/GPL spirit.
Thee is always Debian.
I do not want my tax dollar being paid to a court found criminal.
Can it get any simpler than that?
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what eye said funny boy,
or uh maybe you didn't
and probably also trust that the administration of the US government didn't know the so called terrorists would use planes as missles into buildings is a perfect excuse.
And hey, it only cost 30 billion.....
S.L. "So do you believe we'll find this code in your lifetime?"
S.W. "I hope so. Yeah."
:) Meaning if you are looking for the code, it ain't there.
Aparently Steven Wolfram is no Neo.
S. W.s error?:
So put on your Neo Glasses and know:
S.L./W. - Not only does a single measly rule account for everything, but if one day we actually see the rule, he predicts, we'll probably find it unimpressive. "One might expect," he writes, "that in the end there would be nothing special about the rule for our universe - just as there has turned out to be nothing special about our position in the solar system or the galaxy."
Hmmm, a recent slashdot linked to article on the possible changing nature of the laws of physics? seems to suggest that what exist in existance is changeable.
Ok existance exist, but what's in it can change, just like consciousness either exist or not but what exist in consciousness is changeable.
Are consciousness and existance related?
EQUATIONS:
Conversion / Translation
E = MC - EINSTEIN
E = Energy, M = Matter, C = Speed of Light Squared.
T1 = T2 k - SPINOZA
T1 = non-mystical thought, T2 = things in physical reality, k = the active constant.
T1 ( I + E ) = v T2 (k) - Di SILVESTRO
I = degree of Intent, E = degree of Effort, v = velocity of conversion.
Einstein searched until the moment he died for the equation of the "Unified Field Theory". He never realized the missing element was the same element that caused so much of his life to be what it was. From the cheers and recognition from supporters of his work to the threats on his life, exile out of his country and destruction of publications on his work. All this caused from the element Einstein was exercising, but not realizing, the element of consciousness. It was Einsteins' conscious efforts that lead him to produced his work. The consciousness of those who recognized his work and put forth the effort to honor him for it. The conscious efforts of some to create an illusion, leading many into action of threat, destruction and force to have a physical impact on Einstein and many others. And it was the conscious efforts to apply Einsteins' work that contributed to creating the physical power that removed the force which cause Einstein to leave his country. Perhaps Einstein did come to intimately know what the missing element was, in those last few moments of his life.
The Spinoza equation "T1 = T2 k" expresses two perspectives: All things in physical reality can be comprehended/translated into conscious thought and conscious thought can be converted/translated into physical reality. For those who have doubt about the validity of this equation: Look around and note all the physical things you perceive. Then determine, to the best of your ability, what exist as a result of conscious comprehension of physical reality and conscious directed action, effort and intent to apply physical movement to create? In other words: What do you see that originated in conscious imagination?
For those still in doubt: What don't you perceive, but know by what you do perceive, that there must exist both the conscious ability to comprehend physical reality and conscious imagination to cause intentional control of physical reality? (i.e. Computer usage and its internal operations. Software and it's existence on magnetic media. Disease identification and treatment or cure. Radio wave creation used in sending and receiving data, and its' translation to and from what we can perceive - music, pictures of stars we cannot see from earth but now know they exist. The life we create via genetic control and duplication, etc..)
I somehow preceive the association of communisim and GNU (FSF, GPL) to be comming from proprietary oriented people, such as Microsoft weenies.
Creative Commons points to the sprectum between the extreams.
The common wealth is neither communist or capitalistic, but simple value in which we all share and benefit from. There is no king of the hill game going on but rather a wealth spread thruout the land and secure because of it.
Why anyone would want to distort this can only lead one to recognize a king of the hill game player. Or someone who raises themself up by putting others down.
As CMOS limits in 2012 makes clear, Bloat will have to be removed in ten years in order to continue increasing the power of computing...
Perhaps Hollings thinks he can stop such a machine? Hmmmm.......T3????
Yes MS fate is sealed!!!!!
You mean I have to wait till 2012 before there is a reason to remove all the bloat from software so that it runs at optimum speed and does something useful?
Hmmm, what's the copy protection pushing politicians gonna use as an arguement for slowing computers down with bloat, in 2012?
Read these links regarding Autocoding and the problem with private efforts
Without MS constantly figuring out ways to make people pissed at them, GNU user base might not be growing so fast.
I know stuff like this only solidifies a conviction to non-MS computer base...someday it'll be hard as diamonds.
So now you don't even have to tell every company and their brothers company that you do business with that you want your privacy, but you have to do it monthly???
Shouldn't privacy be a default thing to respect? Why should I have to constantly defend it?
Can I charge for infringment of my privacy? (like charging for spam?)
"To request your privacy options, tell us your life history. We want to make sure it's you, before we consider granting you temporary privacy."
If you do not allow us to use up bandwidth sending you stuff you do not want then you should pay us for lost revenues.