Ah okay, I see, so Apple has a patent on 1 and 2 fingers, so obviously I should file a patent for 3 and 4 fingers.... or even better where 3 N 12 (you know to cover people with 6 fingers). I'm sorry, but it seems to me this patent covers a device with processors and memory that displays lists, web pages, maps, and documents, and when you touch these things, completely expected things happen. This is so generic, it's hard NOT to infringe.
How many times do I have to say this: Apple's patent completely agnostic to the input technology. It 100% has to do with the physical gestures of 1) tap and drag 2) pinch and zoom. That is to say, if I built a device entirely based on Krueger's 1988 technology, I would be in violation of Apple's patent. This is absurd.
To take your car analogy, it is like patenting pressing the gas pedal to make the car go forward. It doesn't matter if you have a piston engine or a rotary engine; if you're pressing a pedal to make the car go forward, you're violating the patent. To suggest that competitors should have different gestures to pan and zoom is as ludicrous as suggesting different car manufacturers should have different throttle interfaces.
Finally, the video you linked violates the patent: "a frame displaying a portion of frame content, and other content of the web page, comprising content of the web page other than the frame content; detecting a translation gesture by a single finger on or near the touch screen display; in response to detecting the translation gesture by the single finger, translating the web page content to display a new portion of web page content in the stationary application window on the touch screen display, wherein translating the web page content includes simultaneously translating the displayed portion of the frame content and the other content of the web page."
Translated: touch the screen with a finger, move the finger, things move under finger. Known to us mere humans as moving things with our hands. We do it every day. Babies do it before they even know how to talk or read. It's so obvious and intuitive and it's been implemented time and time again.
There is nothing stoping other phone and tablet makers from developing non-infringing technology that achieves the same task
The Apple patent in question amounts to "click and drag, but with a finger." Why should one company have exclusive access to this most obvious manipulation? Is clicking and dragging with a mouse patented?
Here's a video from 1988 depicting "detecting an M-finger translation gesture on or near the touch screen display, where M is a different number than N; and in response to detecting the M-finger translation gesture, translating the frame content in the stationary application window, to display a new portion of frame content on the touch screen display without translating the other content of the page." aka pinch to zoom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmmxVA5xhuo
Please tell me, how Apple has a claim to this man's work from 1988.
2006? There are multi touch technologies and implementations that date back to 1976. Obscure yes, but you don't deserve a patent on something just because you popularized it.
True, but this is not a patent for multi touch technology; this is a patent for multi touch gestures. "An N-finger translation gesture is detected on or near the touch screen display. In response, the page content, including the displayed portion of the frame content and the other content of the page, is translated to display a new portion of page content on the touch screen display." In other words, touch and drag. People do this with a mouse, and it's intuitively obvious to they layman how the finger can be used instead.
A full screen multi touch iPod was the number 1 rumor for years before the iPhone came out. Putting a GSM radio in it doesn't make it completely unexpected. Further, multitouch devices have been around for decades, including the associated (and obvious) gestures. See http://billbuxton.com/multitouchOverview.html
I think more realistically you're underestimating the ability of smart criminals
The smart criminals usually get away because they know when to stop. Greedy criminals, who continue to commit their crime time and time again tend to get caught because they slip up eventually. I think it's evident LulzSec doesn't know how to quit while they're ahead.
Yeah, it's along the same lines as "Some people say" or "We're hearing." It's a way for journalists to bring up a topic without owning it. "Not that I'm calling you a murderer, but some people are. How do you respond?"
Since when are T-Shirts purported to be bullet proof? If I were to call up any of the hacked companies with concerns about my information, I guarantee you they'd tell me it's safe and secure. I hold these companies with my personal information just as liable as I would my bank if my safety deposit box was plundered.
"Apple and Nokia have agreed to drop all of our current lawsuits and enter into a license covering some of each other’s patents, but not the majority of the innovation that makes the iPhone unique"
So it seems Nokia has access to some of that portfolio, although we'll probably never know exactly what
it's like going from the great black & white movies, to the trashy color movies that came out
There were crappy black and white movies. Lots of them. Just as there were crappy games on Nintendo or Atari. Sure if a game is all style it won't be any good, but it doesn't necessarily make it awful.
They were ugly, heavier than ipods of similar specs, and the interface was less intuitive.
I thought the exact opposite. I think the mirror backing of the iPods is one of the ugliest gaudiest designs, and only gets uglier as the device gets scratched up. As far as the interface, I always had trouble with the scroll wheel (my thumb just doesn't move that way). The 2nd gen zunes had a touch sensitive pad you could flick to scroll, which was much easier to use for me.
As for the Zune HD, yes it lacked apps, but it was a much better MP3 player in my opinion. It felt like a good MP3 player with apps tacked on rather than an app device with MP3 tacked on. Unfortunately for Microsoft the market was trending to the latter.
Christ, and the iPod nano comes in piss yellow. Grow up. The Zune was released in red blue green pink black white and brown. Brown is the color of our earth, our eyes, our hair, and our skin. That you immediately associate it with fecal matter tells more about you than the Zune.
Actually in the sharp symbol, the vertical lines have infinite slope (they are perfectly vertical). The vertical lines in the hash symbol have positive slope./pedantic.
But where you will definitely run into trouble is between Chicago (Amtrak's largest hub) and the east coast.
This is exactly where I had my troubles, going from Pittsburgh to Chicago. That makes a lot of sense now.
feeling and just enjoy the view, the conversation
You just reminded me of my favorite part of train travel: the people. I've met so many interesting people on the train, in the observation car or the dining car. People seem a little more laid back exactly because they don't have the "gotta get there" mentality, so they're more open to just talking. On a plane you might talk to your seat mate, but on the train you have more freedom and time to talk to other people as well. Also if you take the same route often you get to know the conductor and crew. After only my 3rd trip they started recognizing me by sight and today we're on a first name basis.
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Ah okay, I see, so Apple has a patent on 1 and 2 fingers, so obviously I should file a patent for 3 and 4 fingers.... or even better where 3 N 12 (you know to cover people with 6 fingers). I'm sorry, but it seems to me this patent covers a device with processors and memory that displays lists, web pages, maps, and documents, and when you touch these things, completely expected things happen. This is so generic, it's hard NOT to infringe.
How many times do I have to say this: Apple's patent completely agnostic to the input technology. It 100% has to do with the physical gestures of 1) tap and drag 2) pinch and zoom. That is to say, if I built a device entirely based on Krueger's 1988 technology, I would be in violation of Apple's patent. This is absurd.
To take your car analogy, it is like patenting pressing the gas pedal to make the car go forward. It doesn't matter if you have a piston engine or a rotary engine; if you're pressing a pedal to make the car go forward, you're violating the patent. To suggest that competitors should have different gestures to pan and zoom is as ludicrous as suggesting different car manufacturers should have different throttle interfaces.
Finally, the video you linked violates the patent: "a frame displaying a portion of frame content, and other content of the web page, comprising content of the web page other than the frame content; detecting a translation gesture by a single finger on or near the touch screen display; in response to detecting the translation gesture by the single finger, translating the web page content to display a new portion of web page content in the stationary application window on the touch screen display, wherein translating the web page content includes simultaneously translating the displayed portion of the frame content and the other content of the web page."
Translated: touch the screen with a finger, move the finger, things move under finger. Known to us mere humans as moving things with our hands. We do it every day. Babies do it before they even know how to talk or read. It's so obvious and intuitive and it's been implemented time and time again.
There is nothing stoping other phone and tablet makers from developing non-infringing technology that achieves the same task
The Apple patent in question amounts to "click and drag, but with a finger." Why should one company have exclusive access to this most obvious manipulation? Is clicking and dragging with a mouse patented?
Here's a video from 1988 depicting "detecting an M-finger translation gesture on or near the touch screen display, where M is a different number than N; and in response to detecting the M-finger translation gesture, translating the frame content in the stationary application window, to display a new portion of frame content on the touch screen display without translating the other content of the page." aka pinch to zoom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmmxVA5xhuo
Please tell me, how Apple has a claim to this man's work from 1988.
2006? There are multi touch technologies and implementations that date back to 1976. Obscure yes, but you don't deserve a patent on something just because you popularized it.
True, but this is not a patent for multi touch technology; this is a patent for multi touch gestures. "An N-finger translation gesture is detected on or near the touch screen display. In response, the page content, including the displayed portion of the frame content and the other content of the page, is translated to display a new portion of page content on the touch screen display." In other words, touch and drag. People do this with a mouse, and it's intuitively obvious to they layman how the finger can be used instead.
A full screen multi touch iPod was the number 1 rumor for years before the iPhone came out. Putting a GSM radio in it doesn't make it completely unexpected. Further, multitouch devices have been around for decades, including the associated (and obvious) gestures. See http://billbuxton.com/multitouchOverview.html
I think more realistically you're underestimating the ability of smart criminals
The smart criminals usually get away because they know when to stop. Greedy criminals, who continue to commit their crime time and time again tend to get caught because they slip up eventually. I think it's evident LulzSec doesn't know how to quit while they're ahead.
Since when has a story regarding MS not been filled with FUD and hate?
I'd probably want both.
Yeah, it's along the same lines as "Some people say" or "We're hearing." It's a way for journalists to bring up a topic without owning it. "Not that I'm calling you a murderer, but some people are. How do you respond?"
Since when are T-Shirts purported to be bullet proof? If I were to call up any of the hacked companies with concerns about my information, I guarantee you they'd tell me it's safe and secure. I hold these companies with my personal information just as liable as I would my bank if my safety deposit box was plundered.
This very question has been a front page topic at least twice. Look it up.
Direct link: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/redmond/projects/kinectsdk/
According to Apple:
"Apple and Nokia have agreed to drop all of our current lawsuits and enter into a license covering some of each other’s patents, but not the majority of the innovation that makes the iPhone unique"
So it seems Nokia has access to some of that portfolio, although we'll probably never know exactly what
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/technology/15nokia.html?_r=1
it's like going from the great black & white movies, to the trashy color movies that came out
There were crappy black and white movies. Lots of them. Just as there were crappy games on Nintendo or Atari. Sure if a game is all style it won't be any good, but it doesn't necessarily make it awful.
Then why are you in on the conversation? Can't remember the last time someone over 16 rolled their eyes at me.
They were ugly, heavier than ipods of similar specs, and the interface was less intuitive.
I thought the exact opposite. I think the mirror backing of the iPods is one of the ugliest gaudiest designs, and only gets uglier as the device gets scratched up. As far as the interface, I always had trouble with the scroll wheel (my thumb just doesn't move that way). The 2nd gen zunes had a touch sensitive pad you could flick to scroll, which was much easier to use for me.
As for the Zune HD, yes it lacked apps, but it was a much better MP3 player in my opinion. It felt like a good MP3 player with apps tacked on rather than an app device with MP3 tacked on. Unfortunately for Microsoft the market was trending to the latter.
lol, okay, keep moving the goalposts. I'm sure if there was a sticker on the front of the iPhone itself you would not be satisfied.
How about at the Macworld keynote? Not consumer facing enough? Try the original iPhone website.
If you remember back to 2006 Apple did indeed constantly claim that iPhone OS was literally OSX minus the GUI.
Toaster iMac? iPod boombox?
Christ, and the iPod nano comes in piss yellow. Grow up. The Zune was released in red blue green pink black white and brown. Brown is the color of our earth, our eyes, our hair, and our skin. That you immediately associate it with fecal matter tells more about you than the Zune.
If they expected to be 3 billion in the red.
Actually in the sharp symbol, the vertical lines have infinite slope (they are perfectly vertical). The vertical lines in the hash symbol have positive slope. /pedantic.
But where you will definitely run into trouble is between Chicago (Amtrak's largest hub) and the east coast.
This is exactly where I had my troubles, going from Pittsburgh to Chicago. That makes a lot of sense now.
feeling and just enjoy the view, the conversation
You just reminded me of my favorite part of train travel: the people. I've met so many interesting people on the train, in the observation car or the dining car. People seem a little more laid back exactly because they don't have the "gotta get there" mentality, so they're more open to just talking. On a plane you might talk to your seat mate, but on the train you have more freedom and time to talk to other people as well. Also if you take the same route often you get to know the conductor and crew. After only my 3rd trip they started recognizing me by sight and today we're on a first name basis.