Jared Fogle, for example, wasn't using Subway to promote child molestation, but Subway gave him the ax anyway. They dropped him even before there was any trial! Where they wrong to disassociate themselves from Fogle? Would you still say:
So he was the CEO of subway? Oooh right. Thought we were talking about that, I guess not. You miss the part where he was engaging in *illegal* behavior, and that was the reason that he was dropped? I guess so. Then again, if it had turned out hew as innocent, subway would be on the hook right?
What if your kid's school teacher openly supported NAMBLA?
You mean the impossibility of it? Or don't you know that in-depth background checks are a requirement, and that there are codes of conduct relating to things like that for individuals in such positions. Or would you like to try the and teachers(male and female) have been known to screw kids route?
How, exactly, do you think societies work? Do you think free speech guarantees you freedom from the consequences of that speech?
And there's that part where you believe that because a person has a right, and isn't breaking the law you should attack them. Instead of trying to understand the reasons for their positions instead.
Seems to me, they're talking about why the elites(political/academia/tech/etc) don't understand why they lost. So instead of being introspective and asking "Am I out of touch?" and saying "maybe" they're responding with "No, no. Everyone else is out of touch." This is simply an extension of the "everyone who doesn't follow what I do is a racist/sexist/homophobic/is literally Hitler" and so on. In other words, these people who are pushing that stuff live in such an insular political and social bubble, they don't understand why they actually are wrong. And instead of learning from that, they're doubling down. Just a FYI to people who think that doubling down is a great idea. It doesn't work.
The trouble here is that you don't personally find Eich's politics repugnant.
The actual trouble here is that people want to attack a person who's done something on their own time, without using the company as a mouthpiece to promote their own private views. If he was supporting white supremacists I wouldn't have a problem with it either, because as a private citizen, he has the right to do whatever they please. Now on the other hand if he turned around and started using Mozilla as a mouthpiece to promote those views, I'd have a problem with it.
What continues to surprise me is the number of people that believe that a person should be shamed/punished/etc for what they do as a private citizen. But then stand up and clap their hands when a company turns around and starts pushing political propaganda.
Maybe they were raised by the "snowflakes" who have been squealing about how late-December isn't Jesus-y enough anymore.
Think you mean they were(n't) raised by those people. Rather those snowflakes almost always come from upper-middle class or upper class families. Have lived lives most people never experience, and have been catered to since childhood. In some cases, they weren't even really taken care of by their own parents. But by daycare or nannies. Remember that this is all the ideas from Dr. Spock and friends and their "child rearing" experiments which have created this generation.
That's the thought I had as well; if it ever gains a foothold in the US it will happen at some Slowflake U first.
Considering the absolute batshit insanity happening, I'll knock it down to 3 countries. Canada, Sweden or the UK will be the first with either a student union trying to implement it, or some student group pushing for it. The worst case will be a high school somewhere doing it first, especially since there are quite a few of them out there that like to monitor students social media already.
It is all the fault of those pansies, the liberals, who unlike rational, logical, rugged, and manly, conservatives always let their emotions out.
Thin skin isn't just a symptom of the left. There's plenty on the right too. The real problem is that there's an entire generation of snowflakes out there that whine and cry over things like Halloween costumes and them being "racist or sexist." Or get so upset that they need to run off to rooms with colouring books and pictures of puppies because someone dared to disagree with them. The worst cases are the ones that defend restricting speech because it hurts their feelings, or claim that disagreement is harassment. The disagreement is harassment bit is a hallmark of the current progressive snowflake bubble(or SJW if you prefer).
After all, this is the perfect wrong-think system. Refuse to engage in political correctness or say something like "there are only 2 genders" or "free speech is an inalienable right" and you can have other things granted by the state taken away. Considering the triggered snowflakes going around these days, I'm sure they'd love it as well. Anyone want to take bets on the first western university to follow up and try implementing a system like it? A coercing version of no-platforming to boot perhaps?
Apparently you don't know anything about the economics of Canada either, and why having a low dollar now has a larger impact on everything here. Especially since that low dollar was used directly as a incentive to "cheaper made" goods. Something that Canada has lost as the manufacturing industry has effectively packed up and left. Low dollar values do not translate well to service based economies, if you need a longer explanation look at Greece.
It's not. We have expanding definitions of "hate speech" something that the previous government was reducing. And we don't have anything close to 1st amendment protections on speech. Canada has "speech which is permitted by law." Which is very similar to many european countries. Putting it in Canada is just asking for trouble, and I say that as a Canadian.
Oh cry me a river. You still have the cheapest energy in the world and some of the highest salaries. Outside of the US people pay double that in developed countries (current European rates are close to 30 US cents per kWh), and maybe 10 times that in the poorer ones.
You could try using less energy, possibly by wasting less of it heating ridiculous sized properties?
Really? Still have the cheapest energy. Sure, let's add in gasoline, the requirement that if you live outside of a major city -- to get anywhere you need to drive. If you need a specialist, you're probably driving 200km or more, 500km isn't uncommon. Yep, that's sure making things cheap. Lets toss in those "high salaries" where the median income is around $50k/year. Now let's subtract 30% of that due to the dollar being depressed against every other western country. Don't worry if I'm showing your ignorance here. Now let's also add in that as soon as you live 2-3hrs outside of the "border area" the costs for goods now goes through the roof. $6-9 loaf of bread, $12/4L of milk, cans of soup run as high as $4, beef is around $15/0.454kg. Those things still cheap? Average cell plan starts at around $40/mo, you're paying for local and long distance on top of that. Are we still cheap? Oh...right.
You could try using less energy, possibly by wasting less of it heating ridiculous sized properties?
You apparently have no idea how small houses are here. 1000sqft(that's 92sq m) is the norm, very "big and ridiculous" sized properties. Most houses in Europe are larger, around 105sq m(UK clocks in at the smallest with 85 sq m--just a FYI). Seriously stop being an idiot.
Americans. Fucking up the world for the rest of us and then arguing about it
Thanks guys.
Good thing I'm not American then. I just happen to realize that if you want to have an actual "change on policy" with something like this, you need two things: People need to have secure jobs with disposable incomes that they don't mind pissing a bit away on. You also need cheap energy, to help offset the overall costs on society. The current environmentalist belief is "green energy is good" but that's far too expensive. When your electricity rate goes from 0.07 to 0.18kWh in less then 10 years, and people have problems keeping the lights on? They're going to say fuck you and your environmental ideas--my family comes first. That's followed by not having a stable job, or the possibility of losing said job not to someone in the country. But someone from outside the country because crony capitalists are dollar chasing. Now you know why Trump was elected, because that "rust belt" and "fly over country" or as people in the Greater Toronto Area would call everyone else outside of that big city "rednecks" are putting their families and themselves first because it's reached a breaking point for them.
That being said, I also live in Canada and I'm not sure I agree that they're planning to do that, but who knows.
Just a reminder that the Liberals were the ones pushing this exact type of stuff back in the 90's. The CPC was against it, then were for it when they needed the Liberals backing on something. Then against it again, so who knows on that case. But considering the garbage they've been dumping on us in the first year? Better hold on because it's likely going to get worse.
Their kids will care, and will ask those Rust Belters "Why did you allow some fucking moron to screw things up, just because you didn't want to switch careers?"
Sorry, they tried to switch careers. Then their job was outsourced to a H1B and imported labor.
You forgot as well, that there's more incidences of "wet" fuel. Since ethanol wants to absorb water, if there's a problem with the tank seal it'll start taking in water from the air and you'll get that in the fuel too. This is a common problem here in Canada especially with the seasonal swings we have where the ground stays warmer for a longer part of the winter season. Around here the frostline is 6ft, and I know of two stations that have had to pull the fill pipes and have them either double insulated or a low-temperature heater added to cut down on the water trip alarms. It's become an issue for a couple of the truck stops that they've moved all their gasoline fuel tanks above ground.
Actually, it won't ruin many engines. Certainly none built after the late 90's.
Well you can get additives to add to cars for lead-only engines, and cars that can't use ethanol or methanol. There's a few cars that require methanol blends for fuel during the 90's "we're insane, let's screw around with shit" period. But this is great, my Saturn built in the late 90's still gets around 42-50mpg best I ever got was 62.7mpg, and that was when the car was only a few years old. Real world mileage with the SL and SW series was generally nothing short of amazing. Which wasn't uncommon with those cars, but now we get to spend 30% more and get less fuel, which is of course brilliant.
Really? So he didn't launch weapons at Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and Syria. Gotcha. Those aren't wars, they're just lobbing of high-explosive munitions for the purposes of dirt farming.
That being said, I also live in Canada and I'm not sure I agree that they're planning to do that, but who knows.
You must be pretty young. Back in the 90's the Liberals were the first ones pushing for "access" like this. And they've been pushing for it even when they were a minority in the house. We haven't heard much this time around, but then again it was them calling for a cabon tax that cost them the last previous election. And they didn't say anything about it this time around, and won. Of course now we're going to be hit with a 20% tax increase.
This has nothing to do with Liberal or any other form.
Sorry to burst your bubble. But in Canada we have a party called "Liberals" so yes, it has everything to do with them. The irony is of course, they've been the big pushers for this. In many cases, the police outside of CSIS and the RCMP aren't pushing for it. The conservatives have been against it most of the time, and support only goes up when there's a terrorist attack on Canadian soil.
Give it time. Someone will expose it, and I'm guessing it'll be just like the gigantic leak in S.Korea. $20 says that you'll see politicians browsing history and it'll be every banned thing that your average pleb isn't allowed to see in the UK.
Wonder if people are going to start whining that the source article is Zerohedge though and it's "fake news" like they've posted before, when people have linked to it.
Want to know what's even worse? That there's probably more UK citizens whining over Trump and not protesting in the streets in their own country over this. $20 says that the Liberals here in Canada try pushing through something similar in the next year or two.
Don't worry, we know. You're still pining for Hillary, hate to break it to you but she lost. Maybe you can pine on Obama a bit more and his peace prize, and all the wars he's started.
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Jared Fogle, for example, wasn't using Subway to promote child molestation, but Subway gave him the ax anyway. They dropped him even before there was any trial! Where they wrong to disassociate themselves from Fogle? Would you still say:
So he was the CEO of subway? Oooh right. Thought we were talking about that, I guess not. You miss the part where he was engaging in *illegal* behavior, and that was the reason that he was dropped? I guess so. Then again, if it had turned out hew as innocent, subway would be on the hook right?
What if your kid's school teacher openly supported NAMBLA?
You mean the impossibility of it? Or don't you know that in-depth background checks are a requirement, and that there are codes of conduct relating to things like that for individuals in such positions. Or would you like to try the and teachers(male and female) have been known to screw kids route?
How, exactly, do you think societies work? Do you think free speech guarantees you freedom from the consequences of that speech?
And there's that part where you believe that because a person has a right, and isn't breaking the law you should attack them. Instead of trying to understand the reasons for their positions instead.
Seems to me, they're talking about why the elites(political/academia/tech/etc) don't understand why they lost. So instead of being introspective and asking "Am I out of touch?" and saying "maybe" they're responding with "No, no. Everyone else is out of touch." This is simply an extension of the "everyone who doesn't follow what I do is a racist/sexist/homophobic/is literally Hitler" and so on. In other words, these people who are pushing that stuff live in such an insular political and social bubble, they don't understand why they actually are wrong. And instead of learning from that, they're doubling down. Just a FYI to people who think that doubling down is a great idea. It doesn't work.
The trouble here is that you don't personally find Eich's politics repugnant.
The actual trouble here is that people want to attack a person who's done something on their own time, without using the company as a mouthpiece to promote their own private views. If he was supporting white supremacists I wouldn't have a problem with it either, because as a private citizen, he has the right to do whatever they please. Now on the other hand if he turned around and started using Mozilla as a mouthpiece to promote those views, I'd have a problem with it.
What continues to surprise me is the number of people that believe that a person should be shamed/punished/etc for what they do as a private citizen. But then stand up and clap their hands when a company turns around and starts pushing political propaganda.
Maybe they were raised by the "snowflakes" who have been squealing about how late-December isn't Jesus-y enough anymore.
Think you mean they were(n't) raised by those people. Rather those snowflakes almost always come from upper-middle class or upper class families. Have lived lives most people never experience, and have been catered to since childhood. In some cases, they weren't even really taken care of by their own parents. But by daycare or nannies. Remember that this is all the ideas from Dr. Spock and friends and their "child rearing" experiments which have created this generation.
That's the thought I had as well; if it ever gains a foothold in the US it will happen at some Slowflake U first.
Considering the absolute batshit insanity happening, I'll knock it down to 3 countries. Canada, Sweden or the UK will be the first with either a student union trying to implement it, or some student group pushing for it. The worst case will be a high school somewhere doing it first, especially since there are quite a few of them out there that like to monitor students social media already.
It is all the fault of those pansies, the liberals, who unlike rational, logical, rugged, and manly, conservatives always let their emotions out.
Thin skin isn't just a symptom of the left. There's plenty on the right too. The real problem is that there's an entire generation of snowflakes out there that whine and cry over things like Halloween costumes and them being "racist or sexist." Or get so upset that they need to run off to rooms with colouring books and pictures of puppies because someone dared to disagree with them. The worst cases are the ones that defend restricting speech because it hurts their feelings, or claim that disagreement is harassment. The disagreement is harassment bit is a hallmark of the current progressive snowflake bubble(or SJW if you prefer).
After all, this is the perfect wrong-think system. Refuse to engage in political correctness or say something like "there are only 2 genders" or "free speech is an inalienable right" and you can have other things granted by the state taken away. Considering the triggered snowflakes going around these days, I'm sure they'd love it as well. Anyone want to take bets on the first western university to follow up and try implementing a system like it? A coercing version of no-platforming to boot perhaps?
Has Guam flipped over yet? I'm just curious.
no long term difference.
Apparently you don't know anything about the economics of Canada either, and why having a low dollar now has a larger impact on everything here. Especially since that low dollar was used directly as a incentive to "cheaper made" goods. Something that Canada has lost as the manufacturing industry has effectively packed up and left. Low dollar values do not translate well to service based economies, if you need a longer explanation look at Greece.
The cost of energy in constant dollars has been going down, not up.
Bzzt. http://www.ontario-hydro.com/c...
I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Apparently you don't. Because in Canada, 1CAD=0.72USD, and 1CAD=0.69EUR, 1CAD=0.59GBP You figure out that 30% depression works in yet?
Since in an earlier post you said "Good thing I'm not American", I have no idea where "here" is.
Can't read either, follow the thread chain next time.
Great idea, but not sure Canada is all that safe.
It's not. We have expanding definitions of "hate speech" something that the previous government was reducing. And we don't have anything close to 1st amendment protections on speech. Canada has "speech which is permitted by law." Which is very similar to many european countries. Putting it in Canada is just asking for trouble, and I say that as a Canadian.
Oh cry me a river. You still have the cheapest energy in the world and some of the highest salaries. Outside of the US people pay double that in developed countries (current European rates are close to 30 US cents per kWh), and maybe 10 times that in the poorer ones.
You could try using less energy, possibly by wasting less of it heating ridiculous sized properties?
Really? Still have the cheapest energy. Sure, let's add in gasoline, the requirement that if you live outside of a major city -- to get anywhere you need to drive. If you need a specialist, you're probably driving 200km or more, 500km isn't uncommon. Yep, that's sure making things cheap. Lets toss in those "high salaries" where the median income is around $50k/year. Now let's subtract 30% of that due to the dollar being depressed against every other western country. Don't worry if I'm showing your ignorance here. Now let's also add in that as soon as you live 2-3hrs outside of the "border area" the costs for goods now goes through the roof. $6-9 loaf of bread, $12/4L of milk, cans of soup run as high as $4, beef is around $15/0.454kg. Those things still cheap? Average cell plan starts at around $40/mo, you're paying for local and long distance on top of that. Are we still cheap? Oh...right.
You could try using less energy, possibly by wasting less of it heating ridiculous sized properties?
You apparently have no idea how small houses are here. 1000sqft(that's 92sq m) is the norm, very "big and ridiculous" sized properties. Most houses in Europe are larger, around 105sq m(UK clocks in at the smallest with 85 sq m--just a FYI). Seriously stop being an idiot.
Americans. Fucking up the world for the rest of us and then arguing about it
Thanks guys.
Good thing I'm not American then. I just happen to realize that if you want to have an actual "change on policy" with something like this, you need two things: People need to have secure jobs with disposable incomes that they don't mind pissing a bit away on. You also need cheap energy, to help offset the overall costs on society. The current environmentalist belief is "green energy is good" but that's far too expensive. When your electricity rate goes from 0.07 to 0.18kWh in less then 10 years, and people have problems keeping the lights on? They're going to say fuck you and your environmental ideas--my family comes first. That's followed by not having a stable job, or the possibility of losing said job not to someone in the country. But someone from outside the country because crony capitalists are dollar chasing. Now you know why Trump was elected, because that "rust belt" and "fly over country" or as people in the Greater Toronto Area would call everyone else outside of that big city "rednecks" are putting their families and themselves first because it's reached a breaking point for them.
That being said, I also live in Canada and I'm not sure I agree that they're planning to do that, but who knows.
Just a reminder that the Liberals were the ones pushing this exact type of stuff back in the 90's. The CPC was against it, then were for it when they needed the Liberals backing on something. Then against it again, so who knows on that case. But considering the garbage they've been dumping on us in the first year? Better hold on because it's likely going to get worse.
Their kids will care, and will ask those Rust Belters "Why did you allow some fucking moron to screw things up, just because you didn't want to switch careers?"
Sorry, they tried to switch careers. Then their job was outsourced to a H1B and imported labor.
Well they're planning to legalize weed (one of our current PM's election promises) so it's not all bad. :D
He's already come out saying that it won't be legalized. It likely won't even be decriminalized.
You forgot as well, that there's more incidences of "wet" fuel. Since ethanol wants to absorb water, if there's a problem with the tank seal it'll start taking in water from the air and you'll get that in the fuel too. This is a common problem here in Canada especially with the seasonal swings we have where the ground stays warmer for a longer part of the winter season. Around here the frostline is 6ft, and I know of two stations that have had to pull the fill pipes and have them either double insulated or a low-temperature heater added to cut down on the water trip alarms. It's become an issue for a couple of the truck stops that they've moved all their gasoline fuel tanks above ground.
Actually, it won't ruin many engines. Certainly none built after the late 90's.
Well you can get additives to add to cars for lead-only engines, and cars that can't use ethanol or methanol. There's a few cars that require methanol blends for fuel during the 90's "we're insane, let's screw around with shit" period. But this is great, my Saturn built in the late 90's still gets around 42-50mpg best I ever got was 62.7mpg, and that was when the car was only a few years old. Real world mileage with the SL and SW series was generally nothing short of amazing. Which wasn't uncommon with those cars, but now we get to spend 30% more and get less fuel, which is of course brilliant.
Eh? Obama has not started any wars...
Really? So he didn't launch weapons at Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and Syria. Gotcha. Those aren't wars, they're just lobbing of high-explosive munitions for the purposes of dirt farming.
That being said, I also live in Canada and I'm not sure I agree that they're planning to do that, but who knows.
You must be pretty young. Back in the 90's the Liberals were the first ones pushing for "access" like this. And they've been pushing for it even when they were a minority in the house. We haven't heard much this time around, but then again it was them calling for a cabon tax that cost them the last previous election. And they didn't say anything about it this time around, and won. Of course now we're going to be hit with a 20% tax increase.
This has nothing to do with Liberal or any other form.
Sorry to burst your bubble. But in Canada we have a party called "Liberals" so yes, it has everything to do with them. The irony is of course, they've been the big pushers for this. In many cases, the police outside of CSIS and the RCMP aren't pushing for it. The conservatives have been against it most of the time, and support only goes up when there's a terrorist attack on Canadian soil.
Give it time. Someone will expose it, and I'm guessing it'll be just like the gigantic leak in S.Korea. $20 says that you'll see politicians browsing history and it'll be every banned thing that your average pleb isn't allowed to see in the UK.
Wonder if people are going to start whining that the source article is Zerohedge though and it's "fake news" like they've posted before, when people have linked to it.
Want to know what's even worse? That there's probably more UK citizens whining over Trump and not protesting in the streets in their own country over this. $20 says that the Liberals here in Canada try pushing through something similar in the next year or two.
Don't worry, we know. You're still pining for Hillary, hate to break it to you but she lost. Maybe you can pine on Obama a bit more and his peace prize, and all the wars he's started.