There, finally you've gotten to something which actually touches on what I was talking about. Who is doing the labeling? Who has declared that this group of environmentalists shall be called "environmentalists" and that group of environmentalists have to be called something else? And why are they doing this?
Well, that might be actual environmentalists that are tired of all the anti-capitalist, pro-communism crap that's been going on since the 1980's. You have been paying attention to this haven't you?
This is a divide and conquer strategy - if we all agree, as the grandparent said above, that a clean environment is good, then this poses a formidable barrier to the mining and drilling companies mentioned in the article. But if they can taint the idea of environmentalism, if they can label environmentalists as the outgroup, then people will avoid words or actions which might get them put into that group.
Your argument falls flat on it's face. Why? That's easy, the environmentalist groups themselves have become more extreme and pushing further. From the belief that malthusian policies are acceptable. To outright lying on GMO crops. Congratulations on driving people away from using the label.
It's the same thing that's been done to atheists, for example. Neil deGrasse Tyson said a while back that he's unwilling to call himself an atheist, because people focus too much on the word. Atheists are the outgroup - they're all baby-eating villains, as you know if you've ever watched the news. (By which I mean news from the right sources, of course.) Instead he calls himself "non-religious."
You mean the same atheists which engaged in a purity spiral and when people refused, it split between "atheism and atheism+" which was pretty much the equivalent of putting the six-shooter to it's head, with one bullet, pulling the trigger six times. Then telling their buddy to do it again? Gee oh why, oh me, how could that word ever have become so tainted.
It's almost like how feminism is so tainted, by the actions of feminists.
No, no. Not that he deleted it. That it was POSTED from police custody, it was deleted after that by facebook - remember them? They stated that they did so.
So anyway, did you read the linked stories in those articles you posted? Your answer is right there.
You're doing a great job of showing just how out of touch you are with the current flavor of rabid environmentalism. They're about 4-5 years a head of what the political left currently is in many western countries, and to be frank people are throwing the environmentalist label over their shoulder and calling themselves other things because it's become so tainted.
The fact that they are hunters and conservationists, and call themselves that. Should tell you something. That you start screeching "right-wing media" says far more about your political standing, and how far you're in a social bubble then anything else.
This is what happens when you move from providing a useful product to people with lots of options that are easy to configure. To providing a "tailored user experience" which tells you what they want you to hear, while hiding those useful options that were once easy to configure.
You know how I can tell you consume too much right-wing media? You talk about "environmentalists" as though they were evil, and hunters as though they were good, as though those were two distinct groups. Your story is about two groups of environmentalists who had a disagreement about how best to care for a certain parcel of land.
Know how you can show everyone you're an idiot? When you haven't been paying attention to the amount of emotional hyperventilating that environmental groups have been engaging in over the last 30 years, where everything, is going to cause **insert great destroyer of the world.** My story, about two groups. One being rabid anti-industrialist environmentalists who want to continue to live in a modern society, but want to shame you to no ends for it, while screeching endlessly in hashtag movements and slacktivism. And the other being a group of conservationists, that on average do more "for the environment" then a those slacktivists.
I find it far more amusing that you think this is doublethink, instead of a more serious issue with environmental groups running amok on emotionalism in order to make you feel bad. Need some help? Why not go watch Penn and Teller's Bullshit, the particular episode with the smarmy Rainforest Action Network's hand-selected spokesgirl, or a look at greenpeace protest.
Note how the messages are crafted, then get back to me.
It's been cheaper to burn paper/cardboard since the day environmentalists started screeching that paper kills trees and plastic is better. Welcome to 1979 by the way. To recycle paper you have to deink, rebleach, and break whatever it was into base fiber then re-gunkify the entire mess all over again. Even then, most places avoid it because rebonding the fibers makes for weaker paper or requires resins to stop it from degrading quickly. W2E facilities are a better option in many if not all cases. Again, thank environmentalists for their rabid bleating that said facilities are really really really really really bad. Never mind that the heavy ash can be used a clinker(for cement and drywall) or anything. Just don't let them know that we burn nearly all the tires in use for clinker and fuel for cement plant kilns or anything, or they'd go brain dead stupid.
Which reminds me of an example of environmental stupidity from here in Ontario. Pipeline running from Sarina to Montreal, oh there was no problem with the pipeline being used currently. The problem came from them wanting to reverse the direction of flow, and reduce the operating pressure because of it's age. It was replaced with a newer pipeline about a decade ago, so having two redundant pipelines flowing in the same direction was a waste of money. The response? Endless screeching by environmentalists about how it was an environmental catastrophe and would poison all of southern ontario, not exaggerating on that one. It was pushed heavily by environmentalists as true. But razing a stand of old growth maples, oaks, and other broadleafs to put up gigantic fucking windmills? Perfectly okay. It was the hunting associations that blocked that one, because they'd been reintroducing wild turkey, pheasants and hawks to the area.
Oh but I don't need to sockpuppet you. Especially when it's your bullshit, maybe you should have read the articles harder? Read the linked stories a bit more thoroughly? Besides, I can easily state that the admins are welcome to post either my IP or unique hash vs the anonymous cowards. Damn gonna be hard for you to explain why they're different huh?
The original post was deleted by facebook after the event, not by him. Sorry if this comes crashing down on reality for you. That was in the news too, actually it's in two of the articles linked to the original articles you posted.
Yeah I do, you can find the original post without trying. All of those articles got it wrong too, and it's not a surprise. They wanted to be the first ones out of the game for it. If you're wanting to wait for actual evidence, then maybe you shouldn't have posted your original post huh? After all, you're just proving your biases.
Just like with Jessica price, whatever the reason for the outrage, there's no excuse for the level of vitriol heaped on these people in the form of harassment and death threats. Complaining in a public forum is one thing, especially since it involved a non-trivial amount of a purchase price, but death threats? So, yes, this sort of harassment happens to men as well as women. Let's not forget that in future conversations.
In the long history of stuff like this there's usually 4 groups of people. The ones pissed off and who want to bitch. The ones that rally around the person(s) being attacked, in this case it was fans rallying around Deroir(fans really didn't like price or her hostile attitude towards fans - she burnt bridges there). For those that don't know he's a huge name in the GW community. So much so that he has an NPC named after him, people look to him for early lore/content changes, and so on. He also gets intrack development info from the developers above her for public reception. Then there's the people who jump in because of whatever social justice reason to support the "poor weak female who can't take being called out." The last group are the 3rd party trolls, who don't care and are out to fan the flames and fuck with everyone. And those are your "for the luzl shit stains."
Remember the studies over the last 4 years? Both men and women receive harassment, death threats, and abusive sexual tweets equally. Men are more likely to get violent tweets. Women are more likely to get tweets based around some sexual identifier. And women are the most likely to be the ones engaging in that sexual based harassment. The only area where women more likely to see more abuse is stalking, and the studies seem to agree that again women are the most vicious ones when stalking another.
The old parable "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" isn't just a tale. It's something that civilizations risen and fallen have seen in action. A women is more likely to use the knives in the back(or metaphorically) texts/reputation stabbing in the back. Work in ANY female dominated environment and you see this very often. A man is more likely to confront the accuser, and get into a physical fight over it, they're unable to talk it out.
That incel guy who used a vehicle to commit mass murder posted about it on Facebook first.
Current evident points to no. That post after he was in custody(it was posted at 14:15, he was in custody by 13:55. and as it stands now it hasn't been entered into evidence either by the crown. I can say that there was other evidence that led the crown to filing 1st degree charges(premeditation) for it. I was far more disappointed that the first hearing was only 5 minutes long with charges and remand.
Just a FYI that superior court is fairly close(within 3hrs) and makes for a very nice day trip there.
Only when I'm off work man. Kinda like now, and in desperate need of sleep. The whole 4/14-on 3-off is starting to wear thin. Good debates help make good sleep in my book.
Unless the conduit is breached you don't have to worry about it, which is what this pretty much boils down to. Look at the fibre line hanging off a utility pole. Same stuff they bury in the ground and even then it's usually a double conduit. The bigger danger is "shifting" of material in the ground and it breaking the conduit, in turn breaking the cable. We have this problem in Canada with winter freeze/thaw cycles where 4-6"+ movement in the ground is possible. It's why we usually bury at 5.5-6.5' these days or simply run above ground, but that presents another problem in some places. Especially where you get extremely strong t-storms off the lakes or building on the leeward side of the mountains.
Generally, say in the US? The biggest thing that impacts equipment out in the wild is insects. Palm roaches, german cockroaches, crazy ants, fire ants, and so on love to build their nets in that stuff. They love the EM radiation wifi and internet equipment puts out. And are far more likely to knock it out. And in most cases, unless the idiot is trying to "cut costs" to show how good of a money saver they are(and not thinking long term), already plan on submersion for long periods due to hurricanes, heavy flooding and so on. As for the "salt water" issue, the only answer is the same thing it's always been. Equipment goes into a building, if needs antennas and outside for them, you find a solution where the antenna's can be exposed long-term but the equipment is away from the constant salty air. Plenty of companies make products for that.
Nobodies. The person she attacked was a big name in the guild wars community(named NPC after them, get special info from devs, promotes material, story and theorycraft, etc). People who play the game saw a shitty developer attack a pillar of the community that devs higher up the food chain go to for input and promote ideas through to the rest of the community. And...people had enough, especially those that know her past history of attacking the fan base. The "army" you want is the one that tried to make this issue into a gender-circus, and screeched that the only reason it happened is because she's female. This was followed up by the press going batshit insane and outright lying as to why she got fired. And let's be straight, they outright lied and have refused retractions.
To put it simply? You're seeing the culture war of progressives vs everyone else spill into the mainstream and people are having enough of the bullshit.
"basics" The guy she railed against is so big of a person in the community that they have a: NPC named after them. The upper echelons of the development team come to them to ask input. That they have a unique and special relationship with them and they actively promote GW2 material.
Look, you can be a complete idiot if you want, but she wasn't fired for being female. She was fired because she was a piece of shit, just like the last time she got fired.
Then here's your chance for proof. Archive.is or 4plebs/moe take your pick, you can now show your proof. Digging through archives of hot threads, I can't find anything on/b//v//r9k//pol/ or/vg/ on 4chan of this. Can't find any proof on/b//v//pol/ on 8chan. Can't find proof on 2.5ch either. So...
Skim their post history, they don't believe it's a troll tactic. They simply believe that anyone who disagrees with the progressive agenda in any form are white nationalists. If you want to see the face of extremism, it's right there. And that, is just plain sad.
So the only thing you have is, nothing. But the only thing you've done for everyone else is to show you're a racist and a bigot, that runs away when the facts become inconvenient.
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There, finally you've gotten to something which actually touches on what I was talking about. Who is doing the labeling? Who has declared that this group of environmentalists shall be called "environmentalists" and that group of environmentalists have to be called something else? And why are they doing this?
Well, that might be actual environmentalists that are tired of all the anti-capitalist, pro-communism crap that's been going on since the 1980's. You have been paying attention to this haven't you?
This is a divide and conquer strategy - if we all agree, as the grandparent said above, that a clean environment is good, then this poses a formidable barrier to the mining and drilling companies mentioned in the article. But if they can taint the idea of environmentalism, if they can label environmentalists as the outgroup, then people will avoid words or actions which might get them put into that group.
Your argument falls flat on it's face. Why? That's easy, the environmentalist groups themselves have become more extreme and pushing further. From the belief that malthusian policies are acceptable. To outright lying on GMO crops. Congratulations on driving people away from using the label.
It's the same thing that's been done to atheists, for example. Neil deGrasse Tyson said a while back that he's unwilling to call himself an atheist, because people focus too much on the word. Atheists are the outgroup - they're all baby-eating villains, as you know if you've ever watched the news. (By which I mean news from the right sources, of course.) Instead he calls himself "non-religious."
You mean the same atheists which engaged in a purity spiral and when people refused, it split between "atheism and atheism+" which was pretty much the equivalent of putting the six-shooter to it's head, with one bullet, pulling the trigger six times. Then telling their buddy to do it again? Gee oh why, oh me, how could that word ever have become so tainted.
It's almost like how feminism is so tainted, by the actions of feminists.
No, no. Not that he deleted it. That it was POSTED from police custody, it was deleted after that by facebook - remember them? They stated that they did so.
So anyway, did you read the linked stories in those articles you posted? Your answer is right there.
You're doing a great job of showing just how out of touch you are with the current flavor of rabid environmentalism. They're about 4-5 years a head of what the political left currently is in many western countries, and to be frank people are throwing the environmentalist label over their shoulder and calling themselves other things because it's become so tainted.
The fact that they are hunters and conservationists, and call themselves that. Should tell you something. That you start screeching "right-wing media" says far more about your political standing, and how far you're in a social bubble then anything else.
This is what happens when you move from providing a useful product to people with lots of options that are easy to configure. To providing a "tailored user experience" which tells you what they want you to hear, while hiding those useful options that were once easy to configure.
You know how I can tell you consume too much right-wing media? You talk about "environmentalists" as though they were evil, and hunters as though they were good, as though those were two distinct groups. Your story is about two groups of environmentalists who had a disagreement about how best to care for a certain parcel of land.
Know how you can show everyone you're an idiot? When you haven't been paying attention to the amount of emotional hyperventilating that environmental groups have been engaging in over the last 30 years, where everything, is going to cause **insert great destroyer of the world.** My story, about two groups. One being rabid anti-industrialist environmentalists who want to continue to live in a modern society, but want to shame you to no ends for it, while screeching endlessly in hashtag movements and slacktivism. And the other being a group of conservationists, that on average do more "for the environment" then a those slacktivists.
I find it far more amusing that you think this is doublethink, instead of a more serious issue with environmental groups running amok on emotionalism in order to make you feel bad. Need some help? Why not go watch Penn and Teller's Bullshit, the particular episode with the smarmy Rainforest Action Network's hand-selected spokesgirl, or a look at greenpeace protest.
Note how the messages are crafted, then get back to me.
It's been cheaper to burn paper/cardboard since the day environmentalists started screeching that paper kills trees and plastic is better. Welcome to 1979 by the way. To recycle paper you have to deink, rebleach, and break whatever it was into base fiber then re-gunkify the entire mess all over again. Even then, most places avoid it because rebonding the fibers makes for weaker paper or requires resins to stop it from degrading quickly. W2E facilities are a better option in many if not all cases. Again, thank environmentalists for their rabid bleating that said facilities are really really really really really bad. Never mind that the heavy ash can be used a clinker(for cement and drywall) or anything. Just don't let them know that we burn nearly all the tires in use for clinker and fuel for cement plant kilns or anything, or they'd go brain dead stupid.
Which reminds me of an example of environmental stupidity from here in Ontario. Pipeline running from Sarina to Montreal, oh there was no problem with the pipeline being used currently. The problem came from them wanting to reverse the direction of flow, and reduce the operating pressure because of it's age. It was replaced with a newer pipeline about a decade ago, so having two redundant pipelines flowing in the same direction was a waste of money. The response? Endless screeching by environmentalists about how it was an environmental catastrophe and would poison all of southern ontario, not exaggerating on that one. It was pushed heavily by environmentalists as true. But razing a stand of old growth maples, oaks, and other broadleafs to put up gigantic fucking windmills? Perfectly okay. It was the hunting associations that blocked that one, because they'd been reintroducing wild turkey, pheasants and hawks to the area.
The game you're looking for is Klingon Academy. It's exactly what you're talking about, wrapped around a GUI, and everything included.
Oh but I don't need to sockpuppet you. Especially when it's your bullshit, maybe you should have read the articles harder? Read the linked stories a bit more thoroughly? Besides, I can easily state that the admins are welcome to post either my IP or unique hash vs the anonymous cowards. Damn gonna be hard for you to explain why they're different huh?
The original post was deleted by facebook after the event, not by him. Sorry if this comes crashing down on reality for you. That was in the news too, actually it's in two of the articles linked to the original articles you posted.
Yeah I do, you can find the original post without trying. All of those articles got it wrong too, and it's not a surprise. They wanted to be the first ones out of the game for it. If you're wanting to wait for actual evidence, then maybe you shouldn't have posted your original post huh? After all, you're just proving your biases.
Just like with Jessica price, whatever the reason for the outrage, there's no excuse for the level of vitriol heaped on these people in the form of harassment and death threats. Complaining in a public forum is one thing, especially since it involved a non-trivial amount of a purchase price, but death threats? So, yes, this sort of harassment happens to men as well as women. Let's not forget that in future conversations.
In the long history of stuff like this there's usually 4 groups of people. The ones pissed off and who want to bitch. The ones that rally around the person(s) being attacked, in this case it was fans rallying around Deroir(fans really didn't like price or her hostile attitude towards fans - she burnt bridges there). For those that don't know he's a huge name in the GW community. So much so that he has an NPC named after him, people look to him for early lore/content changes, and so on. He also gets intrack development info from the developers above her for public reception. Then there's the people who jump in because of whatever social justice reason to support the "poor weak female who can't take being called out." The last group are the 3rd party trolls, who don't care and are out to fan the flames and fuck with everyone. And those are your "for the luzl shit stains."
Remember the studies over the last 4 years? Both men and women receive harassment, death threats, and abusive sexual tweets equally. Men are more likely to get violent tweets. Women are more likely to get tweets based around some sexual identifier. And women are the most likely to be the ones engaging in that sexual based harassment. The only area where women more likely to see more abuse is stalking, and the studies seem to agree that again women are the most vicious ones when stalking another.
The old parable "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" isn't just a tale. It's something that civilizations risen and fallen have seen in action. A women is more likely to use the knives in the back(or metaphorically) texts/reputation stabbing in the back. Work in ANY female dominated environment and you see this very often. A man is more likely to confront the accuser, and get into a physical fight over it, they're unable to talk it out.
That incel guy who used a vehicle to commit mass murder posted about it on Facebook first.
Current evident points to no. That post after he was in custody(it was posted at 14:15, he was in custody by 13:55. and as it stands now it hasn't been entered into evidence either by the crown. I can say that there was other evidence that led the crown to filing 1st degree charges(premeditation) for it. I was far more disappointed that the first hearing was only 5 minutes long with charges and remand.
Just a FYI that superior court is fairly close(within 3hrs) and makes for a very nice day trip there.
How did you fail to dispute anything that was said, and still manage to burn your engine so hard you look foolish.
Only when I'm off work man. Kinda like now, and in desperate need of sleep. The whole 4/14-on 3-off is starting to wear thin. Good debates help make good sleep in my book.
Unless the conduit is breached you don't have to worry about it, which is what this pretty much boils down to. Look at the fibre line hanging off a utility pole. Same stuff they bury in the ground and even then it's usually a double conduit. The bigger danger is "shifting" of material in the ground and it breaking the conduit, in turn breaking the cable. We have this problem in Canada with winter freeze/thaw cycles where 4-6"+ movement in the ground is possible. It's why we usually bury at 5.5-6.5' these days or simply run above ground, but that presents another problem in some places. Especially where you get extremely strong t-storms off the lakes or building on the leeward side of the mountains.
Generally, say in the US? The biggest thing that impacts equipment out in the wild is insects. Palm roaches, german cockroaches, crazy ants, fire ants, and so on love to build their nets in that stuff. They love the EM radiation wifi and internet equipment puts out. And are far more likely to knock it out. And in most cases, unless the idiot is trying to "cut costs" to show how good of a money saver they are(and not thinking long term), already plan on submersion for long periods due to hurricanes, heavy flooding and so on. As for the "salt water" issue, the only answer is the same thing it's always been. Equipment goes into a building, if needs antennas and outside for them, you find a solution where the antenna's can be exposed long-term but the equipment is away from the constant salty air. Plenty of companies make products for that.
Nobodies. The person she attacked was a big name in the guild wars community(named NPC after them, get special info from devs, promotes material, story and theorycraft, etc). People who play the game saw a shitty developer attack a pillar of the community that devs higher up the food chain go to for input and promote ideas through to the rest of the community. And...people had enough, especially those that know her past history of attacking the fan base. The "army" you want is the one that tried to make this issue into a gender-circus, and screeched that the only reason it happened is because she's female. This was followed up by the press going batshit insane and outright lying as to why she got fired. And let's be straight, they outright lied and have refused retractions.
To put it simply? You're seeing the culture war of progressives vs everyone else spill into the mainstream and people are having enough of the bullshit.
"basics" The guy she railed against is so big of a person in the community that they have a: NPC named after them. The upper echelons of the development team come to them to ask input. That they have a unique and special relationship with them and they actively promote GW2 material.
Look, you can be a complete idiot if you want, but she wasn't fired for being female. She was fired because she was a piece of shit, just like the last time she got fired.
Then here's your chance for proof. Archive.is or 4plebs/moe take your pick, you can now show your proof. Digging through archives of hot threads, I can't find anything on /b/ /v/ /r9k/ /pol/ or /vg/ on 4chan of this. Can't find any proof on /b/ /v/ /pol/ on 8chan. Can't find proof on 2.5ch either. So...
Swing and miss. So very close, and yet so far. Need a hint? It begins with a P and happened during the previous administration.
So who was the one saying that someone was a white supremacist again? I kinda pity you that you're so far down that rabbit hole.
I bet you can find a link where I said that!
Not too smart either. Learn and grow kid, learn and grow.
You mean bog him down as a troll tactic?
Skim their post history, they don't believe it's a troll tactic. They simply believe that anyone who disagrees with the progressive agenda in any form are white nationalists. If you want to see the face of extremism, it's right there. And that, is just plain sad.
Oh that fact is out there, you just don't like that it looks really bad for your team.
So the only thing you have is, nothing. But the only thing you've done for everyone else is to show you're a racist and a bigot, that runs away when the facts become inconvenient.
It sure is. And those are very right-wing sites I tell you.