In the northwest here in the u.s.a., we're having record rainfall, and we're having all kinds of flooding and the snowpack is getting huge in the cascard mountains.
I think weather is in flux. I don't know if it's global warming but it's going to screw with the economy thats for sure.
Then I guess it has everything to do with exercise or lack thereof. Pity. Not being active makes us poor competition when we get out into the workplace. Sports and competition is a critical part of an education I feel.
When I was in high school, we used to drink coke/pepsi/pop/soda whatever a lot and we never gained a lot of weight. I really believe that the switch to high fructose corn syrup is a big cause of obesity IMNSO (non-scientific opinion). Obese kids back then were few and far between unlike kids today. I don't really see what kids are doing today that was different in high school in the 80s. So diet may have changed but this country needs to make a stand on what they feed their kids.
Perhaps, we should tell the corn lobby to screw itself and go back to sugar. Sugar is used in Canada, is obesity a problem there?
Well, considering the cost of lenses these days, the cost of the body is still pretty cheap compared to that. And you'd recoup the difference in film costs. Unless of course you're doing something special and need you're own darkroom.
Nobody is arguing that intel on communications is a bad thing. The real news is bypassing the courts to make sure that what and who they are spying on is legitimate. For instance, we don't want them spying on democrats in order to get the jump on them politically so that they can consistently stay in power by being to outmanuever them. Information is power, and how they get that information should be regulated.
Secondly, if the President can do all this. Why bother with a the patriot act at all? Seems like he has all the power he needs to do what he's doing. Thirdly, he told the American public that he's going to the court to do wire-tapping. Now we find out thats not whats going on at all. Somebody isn't playing straight with us. That's the news. The NSA/FBI/CIA spying is not news and that I agree with you.
Well, a linux group could potentially help by saying "our community will support x linux distro because it has the best translation of our language and is stable" and you could spread standardization that way.
As for the contract. Until your people fixes your govt there is not much you can do other than to point out negligance through the free press or through some other means. But it's most likely this official got a lot of kickbacks for signing a contract to have Microsoft be an exclusive OS vendor. Of course, one could try to get IBM into the fray.:-)
It doesn't really matter. You can still install linux on these machines. It just takes some work. Especially if they aren't even capable of running windows whats the point?
The guy got his money, but the movement continues.
Jeezus, give it a rest will you? How many forums are going to post this crap? Continuing to do ad homien attacks on GNOME is seriously a waste of time.
I wish you'd find a more healthy outlet for this bitterness. This stuff only damages your reputation and no one elses. The image you posted clearly says "Galaxy" so one can probably determine who you are. You could have at least changed the graphic since people already pointed out that it reveals who you are at Osnews.
I think it's good to note that GNOME is accessibility aware. Sun has spent a lot of time working on GNOME's accessibility infrastructure (e.g. gnopernicus, gtk's atk toolkit) and making sure that disabled people can work. Since GNOME rebranded as the JDS desktop has to work for disabled people you can bet Sun has spent a lot of time making the GNOME team sensitive to accessibility.
Turns out that having a toolkit that lets you pretty much tweak the entire gtk toolkit via atk has some interesting application as well. Check out:
>Why isn't there an Xfce version of Ubuntu? There are tons of lightweight shells out >there that work perfectly well ontop of Ubuntu...without breaking it like KDE does.
Apparently, there is, it's called Xubuntu. Google for it. It's supposed to be new. Someone mentioned it in the last thread.
Try it in a large company when you have people of all ranges. The more options you have the more nervous people become. As long as you don't have to go to KControLCenter and have to fuss with things, usability is probably okay. I take it your wife isn't a fiddler right? But when she wants to try out something then thats when usability comes into play.
Windows/DOS was famous in scary dialog boxes where people had no idea what it meant. Even today in GNOME if I hit delete in Rhythmbox I wonder "Am I deleting the song off the db or is it removing it permanently." Those examples of bad usability. The computer needs to be explicit on what it's doing.
You are absolutely correct and someone mentioned this to me as well that it's very likely not useful to fund two competing technologies that don't work well together. (they can if they tried hard though)
Sure, they could run QT bindings with Mono. Why they don't I cannot answer. Perhaps because most of their mono people don't know QT that well and it's a training issue. Also perhaps using QT in commerical apps will incur licensing costs that Novell wishes to avoid.
I"m not sure how you can develop "GTK Apps" with KDE. Their underlying mechanisms are different. For instance, an app whose file dialog boxes are fundamentally different incurs confusion for people. If one apps behaves differently from the other because the underlying technology is different (eg file dialog box, vfs, whatever) then those difference invariably cost money in time and effort. Since you can never tell what applications you're running will be like. Cross theming will make it even more difficult since the app looks like a KDE app but does not behave like one.
In any case, only idealogues will argue for one desktop or another. It'll be more important that it works as advertised and that the applications people want to run works.
Probably because those people may not have knowledge about other Novell products and it's probably easier to train the other marketing people on mono than training mono marketers on other novell products. Thats my guess.
What are you? Some kind of nut? You're going to move off of a supported vendor solution to your own? What are you goign to pay Novell for then? If you have a problem with GNOME gconf or whatever it's the vendor's job to fix it. Thats what you're paying them for. This sounds more like a bunch of hand wringing and then going off to do your own solution without any support. Who is going to fix all your kernel bugs, yoru glibc bugs, and everything else?
It isn't GNOME thats interesting it's Mono. Novell needs to standardize on one platform in order to create a single homogenized environment. My guess is that they plan to sell their commercialized applications using Mono. Since Mono uses GTK for it's toolkit it's going to look odd to have one desktop using one toolkit and their tools using another toolkit. It creates a disharmony.
As for customers, they won't care what the desktop is as long as it does what they want it to do. Corporate customers are not addled and opinionated like us FOSS types. They don't have a favourite distro. It's whatever it takes to get the job done. If they do have opinions by in large it's going to be a miniority. As you say, as long as Novell listens to it's customers they can put resources into extending GNOME to do what customers need. The desktops are not that different, perhaps one provides more customization than the other but there is nothing that can't be added since it's all open source.
I think people don't seem to take into account that Dell and other companies run a highly automated, assembly line style manufacture of PC's. They are so tightly integrated that doing something special will involve more labour than otherwise. So having to set up another process to not install an OS might be more difficult than one would realize. So you're paying for the "special order".
Since the amount of business done for "special order" is not enough to invest in a more robust process you see Dell not bothering until business goes up. You might see better pricing if you were to buy in large bulk I would imagine.
Theories of corporate conspiracy is probably overrated here. But then this is slashdot.:-)
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In the northwest here in the u.s.a., we're having record rainfall, and we're having all kinds of flooding and the snowpack is getting huge in the cascard mountains.
I think weather is in flux. I don't know if it's global warming but it's going to screw with the economy thats for sure.
sri
Then I guess it has everything to do with exercise or lack thereof. Pity. Not being active makes us poor competition when we get out into the workplace. Sports and competition is a critical part of an education I feel.
sri
When I was in high school, we used to drink coke/pepsi/pop/soda whatever a lot and we never gained a lot of weight. I really believe that the switch to high fructose corn syrup is a big cause of obesity IMNSO (non-scientific opinion). Obese kids back then were few and far between unlike kids today. I don't really see what kids are doing today that was different in high school in the 80s. So diet may have changed but this country needs to make a stand on what they feed their kids.
Perhaps, we should tell the corn lobby to screw itself and go back to sugar. Sugar is used in Canada, is obesity a problem there?
sri
Well, considering the cost of lenses these days, the cost of the body is still pretty cheap compared to that. And you'd recoup the difference in film costs. Unless of course you're doing something special and need you're own darkroom.
sri
Nobody is arguing that intel on communications is a bad thing. The real news is bypassing the courts to make sure that what and who they are spying on is legitimate. For instance, we don't want them spying on democrats in order to get the jump on them politically so that they can consistently stay in power by being to outmanuever them. Information is power, and how they get that information should be regulated.
Secondly, if the President can do all this. Why bother with a the patriot act at all? Seems like he has all the power he needs to do what he's doing. Thirdly, he told the American public that he's going to the court to do wire-tapping. Now we find out thats not whats going on at all. Somebody isn't playing straight with us. That's the news. The NSA/FBI/CIA spying is not news and that I agree with you.
sri
Seems to me that the Indian govt is at fault as well. Obviously, health codes and what not needs to be enforced.
sri
> As a middle-aged geek (37) and programmer, I just have too much stuff in my head to pay > attention to EVERYTHING that I come across.
:-) I intend to stay alive much longer than that!
Dude, 37 is not middle aged. Unless of course your lifespan ends at 74.
sri
Well, a linux group could potentially help by saying "our community will support x linux distro because it has the best translation of our language and is stable" and you could spread standardization that way.
:-)
As for the contract. Until your people fixes your govt there is not much you can do other than to point out negligance through the free press or through some other means. But it's most likely this official got a lot of kickbacks for signing a contract to have Microsoft be an exclusive OS vendor. Of course, one could try to get IBM into the fray.
sri
It doesn't really matter. You can still install linux on these machines. It just takes some work. Especially if they aren't even capable of running windows whats the point?
The guy got his money, but the movement continues.
sri
Jeezus, give it a rest will you? How many forums are going to post this crap? Continuing to do ad homien attacks on GNOME is seriously a waste of time.
I wish you'd find a more healthy outlet for this bitterness. This stuff only damages your reputation and no one elses. The image you posted clearly says "Galaxy" so one can probably determine who you are. You could have at least changed the graphic since people already pointed out that it reveals who you are at Osnews.
thanks,
sri
I think it's good to note that GNOME is accessibility aware. Sun has spent a lot of time working on GNOME's accessibility infrastructure (e.g. gnopernicus, gtk's atk toolkit) and making sure that disabled people can work. Since GNOME rebranded as the JDS desktop has to work for disabled people you can bet Sun has spent a lot of time making the GNOME team sensitive to accessibility.
Turns out that having a toolkit that lets you pretty much tweak the entire gtk toolkit via atk has some interesting application as well. Check out:
http://people.redhat.com/zcerza/dogtail/faq.html
and see how a cool tool like dogtail can check for UI regressions.
This shows that GNOME does understand the importance of accessibility and is set for it from the ground up.
sri
>Why isn't there an Xfce version of Ubuntu? There are tons of lightweight shells out >there that work perfectly well ontop of Ubuntu...without breaking it like KDE does.
Apparently, there is, it's called Xubuntu. Google for it. It's supposed to be new. Someone mentioned it in the last thread.
sri
Try it in a large company when you have people of all ranges. The more options you have the more nervous people become. As long as you don't have to go to KControLCenter and have to fuss with things, usability is probably okay. I take it your wife isn't a fiddler right? But when she wants to try out something then thats when usability comes into play.
Windows/DOS was famous in scary dialog boxes where people had no idea what it meant. Even today in GNOME if I hit delete in Rhythmbox I wonder "Am I deleting the song off the db or is it removing it permanently." Those examples of bad usability. The computer needs to be explicit on what it's doing.
Sorry, rambling comment.. hope it made sense.
sri
You are absolutely correct and someone mentioned this to me as well that it's very likely not useful to fund two competing technologies that don't work well together. (they can if they tried hard though)
sri
Sure, they could run QT bindings with Mono. Why they don't I cannot answer. Perhaps because most of their mono people don't know QT that well and it's a training issue. Also perhaps using QT in commerical apps will incur licensing costs that Novell wishes to avoid.
I"m not sure how you can develop "GTK Apps" with KDE. Their underlying mechanisms are different. For instance, an app whose file dialog boxes are fundamentally different incurs confusion for people. If one apps behaves differently from the other because the underlying technology is different (eg file dialog box, vfs, whatever) then those difference invariably cost money in time and effort. Since you can never tell what applications you're running will be like. Cross theming will make it even more difficult since the app looks like a KDE app but does not behave like one.
In any case, only idealogues will argue for one desktop or another. It'll be more important that it works as advertised and that the applications people want to run works.
sri
sri
Probably because those people may not have knowledge about other Novell products and it's probably easier to train the other marketing people on mono than training mono marketers on other novell products. Thats my guess.
What are you? Some kind of nut? You're going to move off of a supported vendor solution to your own? What are you goign to pay Novell for then? If you have a problem with GNOME gconf or whatever it's the vendor's job to fix it. Thats what you're paying them for. This sounds more like a bunch of hand wringing and then going off to do your own solution without any support. Who is going to fix all your kernel bugs, yoru glibc bugs, and everything else?
jeezus..
sri
It isn't GNOME thats interesting it's Mono. Novell needs to standardize on one platform in order to create a single homogenized environment. My guess is that they plan to sell their commercialized applications using Mono. Since Mono uses GTK for it's toolkit it's going to look odd to have one desktop using one toolkit and their tools using another toolkit. It creates a disharmony.
As for customers, they won't care what the desktop is as long as it does what they want it to do. Corporate customers are not addled and opinionated like us FOSS types. They don't have a favourite distro. It's whatever it takes to get the job done. If they do have opinions by in large it's going to be a miniority. As you say, as long as Novell listens to it's customers they can put resources into extending GNOME to do what customers need. The desktops are not that different, perhaps one provides more customization than the other but there is nothing that can't be added since it's all open source.
sri
Excellent. :)
sri
Ultra capacitor eh? Wake me up when the 'flux' capacity shows up. I got an election in 2000 to get to. :-)
sri
You should have married the M$ Rep. :) (If youre lookin for a wife)
sri
It figures it happens at my alma mater. Useless.
sri
I think people don't seem to take into account that Dell and other companies run a highly automated, assembly line style manufacture of PC's. They are so tightly integrated that doing something special will involve more labour than otherwise. So having to set up another process to not install an OS might be more difficult than one would realize. So you're paying for the "special order".
:-)
Since the amount of business done for "special order" is not enough to invest in a more robust process you see Dell not bothering until business goes up. You might see better pricing if you were to buy in large bulk I would imagine.
Theories of corporate conspiracy is probably overrated here. But then this is slashdot.
sri
Walking into some room and see two naked guys. All I can think of is "deer in bright lights" look...
"whoops! wrong room.."
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You bastard. I nearly spit the tea I was drinking all over the monitor! :)
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