Is their port going to be native widgets, or WINE based? If native widgets, what is the toolkit? QT? GTK? Dare I hope both?
You hit the head right on the nail.:)
Lets not forget Motif, either.
VCL is just a wrapper around base Win32 functionality, so I'm guessing that they could support all of the above. I really hope they steer clear of Wine, though. Not to knock Wine, but it emulates Windows perfectly (i.e., it crashes just as often.:) Of course, its not nice to pick on Alpha software either...
Are they going to port their compiler technology (which is quite good) or just lam off of gcc and free pascal?
My guess is that they are porting their own compilers, but you never know. gcc and Free Pascal are great tools, but I grew up on Borland's compilers (esp. Turbo Pascal/Borland Pascal/Delphi) and think they are pretty sweet too, even if they are closed source.
Is the Java release they are doing this week going to be just the JVM (good) or the JVM plus JBuilder (great)?
I believe the article said just the JVM was going to be released as freeware while they finish up JBuilder.
But I think that another thing is that paper is more social. If you want to show five people something, sure they can gather around a monitor and huddle together--provided that everyone's deodorant holds out.:)
But if I pass out hard copies, then everyone can look at it together, without the unnecessary closeness. Paper is interactive. They can make notes on it and personalize it to their "taste."--heck they can even do origami with it if they s choose. (Try doing that with your average CRT or LCD screen.:) Oh yeah, and I am not responsible for broken monitors if people decide to attempt origami with them.:)
Sure, you could e-mail the thing to five people, but that isn't the same and does have the immediacy of five people talking it over in a conference room. Even videoconferencing and digital whiteboarding don't really compare.
Of course, some people print just because they are clueless and don't know that they can import the thing into most modern word processors.;)
How the standing armies of China can be used as justification for the anti-missile is beyond my understanding. And the main effect of a US shield over Taiwan would be further destabilization of the region.
Are you kidding? China DEFINITELY has nuclear capabilities and DEFINITELY has PLENTY of reason to use them against us. Our bombing of their embassy would be A START...the government-controlled media in China has been telling their people that the bombing was DELIBERATE and that China will seek RETRIBUTION for this act.
What I'd like to see is one of the Linux Support vendors step up and build a contract with some of the major ISPs. That way, if you are having Linux problems, you call AOL, and AOL refers you to their Linux Support Vendor.
Actually this scenario is not too far fetched. Lots of ISPs already farm out a lot of their support. A perfect example is Concentric Network, which farms out a good portion of their support to a company in Southfield, MI called National Tech Team. You don't even know you're being connected to a different company: their 800 number simply transfers calls to NTT's HQ in Southfield.
I know this because I know a few people who have worked for NTT in this capacity. (And from what they tell me, you do NOT want to work in their call center. But thats a different story:) They do support for a number of other companies, too like HP and Compaq.
It would be just as simple for AOL or Earthlink or whatever to forward you to some support vendor like LinuxCare ("IF you have windows 95 or 98 press [1]. If you have Linux press [2]...")
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if a company like LinuxCare did that.
Lots of vendors say that they don't support other platforms, when in fact they are just using a standard PPP link. My service provider at one time fell into that category (I had to figure out how to setup Linux, and I didn't even have anything like easy like whats in KDE or Gnome--I had to setup chat and pppd by hand.) FlashNet has some very limited (Web-only) Linux support (i.e., you can download scripts and whatever from their page) but no phone support for Linux users.
Whats funny is that a number of their servers are Linux based.:)
This just furthers my case for the need in the U.S. for torte reform. Stupid lawsuits like this just tie up the legal system and cost taxpayers and consumers billions of dollars a year.
while we're at it, lets sue the sports card manufacturers. They do the same thing.
Hell, lets sue McDonalds. Those happy meals are probably just as addictive.
How about Ty? Didn't they retire beanie babies to make them more valuable?
Maybe I should sue my ISP while I'm at it. I spend more than 5 hours a day on the Internet, which according to a recent story on Slashdot qualifies me as an addict too.
On Linux, it isn't there yet, but its getting much much better.
COAS, the Caldera administration utilities, lets you at least change the visible domain, mail relay host, and transport method settings and whether or not the relay is is an Internet or local hub on sendmail. Anything else you need must be manually configured.
COAS strives to make config files manually editable without the breaking the COAS applets, but I don't really know how good it is with every config file, particularly sendmails since sendmail pretty much works for me out of the box, at least on my home Linux box, which grabs mail from the Internet via ESRs venerable fetchmail program. And I don't use Caldera in a production environment (at least not yet)
I agree that the port of sendmail is a good thing, even though I don't like the idea that it is closed source. Exchange Server, IMHO, has had too many security holes and it is seriously bloatware (ie it is too big/slow). I prefer implementing Unix or Linux boxen for mail servers, again because of the flexibility of configuration.
I talk'd with one of the Compaq techs who was online (he was logged in as root, I assume it was one of the techs:), and he said they will have "BSD" on Intel and Alpha "early next week." Which "BSD" they would have he didn't seem to know (I'm assuming FreeBSD, but who knows)
...this is just Corel being clueless. The beta agreement is just the same boilerplate beta agreement that Corel has been using forever.
This is little more than minor snafu. Corel's lawyers are just being clueless as usual. No need to ping flood Corel's site or bombard them with a bazillion e-mails or sign up Dr. Michael Cowpland for every porn list under the sun. Flaming Corel is just a waste of bandwidth.
I'm sure Bruce Perens and other advocates like ESR are handling the situation and educated Corel about the error of its ways. (Any way, Perens said he was talking to corel on his site)
I've suspected it all along. In one of his early columns for PC Magazine, he referred to the Macintosh as an "easy to use computer for dopes." That was when I new that the guy was clueless (having done graphic design, I can tell you that the Macintosh at that time was a POWERFUL platform for that function...time has passed and you can do graphic design on just about any platform, but back then the Mac was the best machine for the job.)
Apparently Dvorak has never seen high-volume Linux servers in action. Slashdot has been pretty rock-solid, even though sites that get "Slashdotted" go down quickly. Some of these/.ed sites run operating systems that I'm sure Dvorak would say could handle the traffic (like, say certain OSes made by a little company in Redmond, Wash.:) I'm sure Dvorak would not consider/.'s traffic to be anything less than heavy. And for that matter, the guy's probably never heard of Beowulf either.
That being said, he's right about one thing: Linux is not the OS for everything. But Linux is at least as capable as Windows NT, so certainly anything you would run NT for, you could run Linux for. And that means in some cases even enterprise servers, although Linux's lack of capability to scale beyond 8 processors might leave it out of the pack for some enterprise servers.
As for the claim that no IRC servers run Linux, thats just absolutely ludicrous. I've seen IRC servers running Linux.
No. Microsoft had an agreement with SCO not to compete against SCO when it sold them Xenix. The agreement was for a specified time and it ran out a long time ago.
was that Zilog at one point had a 16-bit or 32-bit CPU that was supposed to be pin-for-pin compatible with the Z-80 on the drawing board....something like the Z-8000 or something, but it got canned for whatever reason.
I know this sounds like total crap, but is it true? Does anyone have any inside info?
The 6502 was the first chip I learned assembler on. In fact, back then, assemblers were pretty expensive (no open source assemblers, either), so I memorized all the opcodes and did quite a bit of hacking in raw hex on that chip. Those were the days.:)
Of course, I later learned 8086 and then 80386 assembler (I refused to learn the 16-bit protected mode 286 stuff as it was way too crufty:), but by then I had an assembler (in those days MASM was widely available and I got it for free)...
Now I couldn't remember the opcodes for the 6502 if I tried... I haven't coded on that chip in years.
Oh yeah, and the only popular machines with the 6502s were the Apples. The 6800 was really popular on the Commodores. But the rest of the industry standardized on the Z80.
FWIW, the 6502 later begat a 16-bit version, the 65816, which was put into the Apple IIgs in 1986, which was really the first "multimedia" computer (stereo quality sound [not yet available on the Macs at that point], had a CD-ROM drive available for it, had decent graphics for the time (640x400). AFAIK, Motorola is still selling the chips for embedded applications (they were last time i checked), but who knows.
It seems to me that any AI system, no matter how complex, no matter what technology is used is ultimately a collection of a bazillion switches. Even so-called analog computers are ultimately digital.
So I don't see how any AI system can outwrite a human. People can think, computers can't. Its really simple. Writing is something can comes from the soul. Computers have no soul. Technology is not the answer to everything. Humans are still needed and creativity can't be learned...In fact, the purpose of computers is ultimately to allow humans to more easily utilize their own creativity, right?
I'm pretty sure System V/386 came out first. When did BSD 386 come out?
There were LOTS of other 32-bit OSes for cheap Intel hardware, too, like Coherent and DesqView/386. (Those who deny that DesqView is an operating system should read Andrew Schulman's excellent work, Unauthorized Windows 95, although I'm sure OS purists won't like it:) I read it back when I thought Windows 95 was decent. [I was naive])
Besides, OS/2 isn't a fully 32-bit OS: it has some 16-bit code, although most of it is for running legacy applications.
...article. One that the article is complete FUD and the other is that the guy is doing some kind of service to the community.
I fall in the middle... I think an article espousing the virtues of the *BSD systems over Linux is good...there aren't many that I've seen in the mainstream press.
however, the article does contain a LOT of FUD.
The bit about "correctness" really struck me. While Linux is by no means designed to be the ultimately correct perfect academic example of operating system design (for instance, Linux is a monolithic design [the kernel is one big program], vs. the "correct" academic microkernel architecture [small, independent components with tightly-controlled communications linking them]), the design and architecture/is/ tightly controlled by Linus Tovalds and it is a very *pragmatic* design. There are always tradeoffs to be made in the design of any architecure, and Linux is simply one approach. One that, IMHO, works very well.
The bit about Linux being very much a subject of attack for 'crackers': sure, Linux gets more attacks. But its probably because there are more Linux boxes than *BSD boxes. Windows is attacked far more than Linux (witness recent developments such as Melissa and ExploreZip). Why? Because there are more Windows boxes than Linux boxes. If BSD were more popular than Linux, I'm sure it would be the subject of more attacks.
But some of the things about OpenBSDs strong security vs. FreeBSDs excellent support for threads are very good points. But the guy definitely is spreading FUD: if you can't build up support for your operating system by pointing out its virtues, I guess you're left to attacking your competition. Of course, this tactic is simply tasteless, disgusting and simply downright childish.
You missed something very vital...5+7=12, which divided by 4 is... 9!
add the final 6 to the all of the 1s in the passage and you get... 9!
And, count the digits...there 21 of them... divide that by the second-to-last number, 7, and multiply that by the first number, and what do you get? Nine!!!!
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Is their port going to be native widgets, or WINE based? If native widgets, what is the toolkit? QT? GTK? Dare I hope both?
:)
:) Of course, its not nice to pick on Alpha software either ...
You hit the head right on the nail.
Lets not forget Motif, either.
VCL is just a wrapper around base Win32 functionality, so I'm guessing that they could support all of the above. I really hope they steer clear of Wine, though. Not to knock Wine, but it emulates Windows perfectly (i.e., it crashes just as often.
Are they going to port their compiler technology (which is quite good) or just lam off of gcc and free pascal?
My guess is that they are porting their own compilers, but you never know. gcc and Free Pascal are great tools, but I grew up on Borland's compilers (esp. Turbo Pascal/Borland Pascal/Delphi) and think they are pretty sweet too, even if they are closed source.
Is the Java release they are doing this week going to be just the JVM (good) or the JVM plus JBuilder (great)?
I believe the article said just the JVM was going to be released as freeware while they finish up JBuilder.
Yeah, thats certainly part of it.
:)
:) Oh yeah, and I am not responsible for broken monitors if people decide to attempt origami with them. :)
;)
But I think that another thing is that paper is more social. If you want to show five people something, sure they can gather around a monitor and huddle together--provided that everyone's deodorant holds out.
But if I pass out hard copies, then everyone can look at it together, without the unnecessary closeness. Paper is interactive. They can make notes on it and personalize it to their "taste."--heck they can even do origami with it if they s choose. (Try doing that with your average CRT or LCD screen.
Sure, you could e-mail the thing to five people, but that isn't the same and does have the immediacy of five people talking it over in a conference room. Even videoconferencing and digital whiteboarding don't really compare.
Of course, some people print just because they are clueless and don't know that they can import the thing into most modern word processors.
How the standing armies of China can be used as justification for the anti-missile is beyond my understanding. And the main effect of a US shield over Taiwan would be further destabilization of the region.
Are you kidding? China DEFINITELY has nuclear capabilities and DEFINITELY has PLENTY of reason to use them against us. Our bombing of their embassy would be A START...the government-controlled media in China has been telling their people that the bombing was DELIBERATE and that China will seek RETRIBUTION for this act.
What I'd like to see is one of the Linux Support vendors step up and build a contract with some of the major ISPs. That way, if you are having Linux problems, you call AOL, and AOL refers you to their Linux Support Vendor.
:) They do support for a number of other companies, too like HP and Compaq.
:)
Actually this scenario is not too far fetched. Lots of ISPs already farm out a lot of their support. A perfect example is Concentric Network, which farms out a good portion of their support to a company in Southfield, MI called National Tech Team. You don't even know you're being connected to a different company: their 800 number simply transfers calls to NTT's HQ in Southfield.
I know this because I know a few people who have worked for NTT in this capacity. (And from what they tell me, you do NOT want to work in their call center. But thats a different story
It would be just as simple for AOL or Earthlink or whatever to forward you to some support vendor like LinuxCare ("IF you have windows 95 or 98 press [1]. If you have Linux press [2]...")
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if a company like LinuxCare did that.
Lots of vendors say that they don't support other platforms, when in fact they are just using a standard PPP link. My service provider at one time fell into that category (I had to figure out how to setup Linux, and I didn't even have anything like easy like whats in KDE or Gnome--I had to setup chat and pppd by hand.) FlashNet has some very limited (Web-only) Linux support (i.e., you can download scripts and whatever from their page) but no phone support for Linux users.
Whats funny is that a number of their servers are Linux based.
Sure! All the computers could run Linux and/or *BSD! :)
:)
Of course, the software will have to be open source...
This just furthers my case for the need in the U.S. for torte reform. Stupid lawsuits like this just tie up the legal system and cost taxpayers and consumers billions of dollars a year.
while we're at it, lets sue the sports card manufacturers. They do the same thing.
Hell, lets sue McDonalds. Those happy meals are probably just as addictive.
How about Ty? Didn't they retire beanie babies to make them more valuable?
Maybe I should sue my ISP while I'm at it. I spend more than 5 hours a day on the Internet, which according to a recent story on Slashdot qualifies me as an addict too.
On Linux, it isn't there yet, but its getting much much better.
COAS, the Caldera administration utilities, lets you at least change the visible domain, mail relay host, and transport method settings and whether or not the relay is is an Internet or local hub on sendmail. Anything else you need must be manually configured.
COAS strives to make config files manually editable without the breaking the COAS applets, but I don't really know how good it is with every config file, particularly sendmails since sendmail pretty much works for me out of the box, at least on my home Linux box, which grabs mail from the Internet via ESRs venerable fetchmail program. And I don't use Caldera in a production environment (at least not yet)
I agree that the port of sendmail is a good thing, even though I don't like the idea that it is closed source. Exchange Server, IMHO, has had too many security holes and it is seriously bloatware (ie it is too big/slow). I prefer implementing Unix or Linux boxen for mail servers, again because of the flexibility of configuration.
Well, /. is in Michigan, although I'd think that'd qualify it to be Linux capital...(well, outside of Helsinki, anyways. :)
Seriously, though I think VA would qualify because thats where the Internet was born...(the Pentagon is, afterall, in Arlington.)
I just logged in 5 secs ago. I also talk'd with root.
/. posted the story they had about 1 signup PER SECOND. :)
:)
He mentioned that he had had a long day (he'd been in since 7 a.m.) and that once
Compiling was no problem, although admittedly, I only compiled a small program.
Oh yeah, DON'T try to start X. I got majorly chewed out by root for it (thats the reason I got a chance to talk with root
I talk'd with one of the Compaq techs who was online (he was logged in as root, I assume it was one of the techs :), and he said they will have "BSD" on Intel and Alpha "early next week." Which "BSD" they would have he didn't seem to know (I'm assuming FreeBSD, but who knows)
I dunno how good Quake 3 is gonna look on that little screen. :)
...this is just Corel being clueless. The beta agreement is just the same boilerplate beta agreement that Corel has been using forever.
This is little more than minor snafu. Corel's lawyers are just being clueless as usual. No need to ping flood Corel's site or bombard them with a bazillion e-mails or sign up Dr. Michael Cowpland for every porn list under the sun. Flaming Corel is just a waste of bandwidth.
I'm sure Bruce Perens and other advocates like ESR are handling the situation and educated Corel about the error of its ways. (Any way, Perens said he was talking to corel on his site)
I've suspected it all along. In one of his early columns for PC Magazine, he referred to the Macintosh as an "easy to use computer for dopes." That was when I new that the guy was clueless (having done graphic design, I can tell you that the Macintosh at that time was a POWERFUL platform for that function...time has passed and you can do graphic design on just about any platform, but back then the Mac was the best machine for the job.)
/.ed sites run operating systems that I'm sure Dvorak would say could handle the traffic (like, say certain OSes made by a little company in Redmond, Wash. :) I'm sure Dvorak would not consider /.'s traffic to be anything less than heavy. And for that matter, the guy's probably never heard of Beowulf either.
Apparently Dvorak has never seen high-volume Linux servers in action. Slashdot has been pretty rock-solid, even though sites that get "Slashdotted" go down quickly. Some of these
That being said, he's right about one thing: Linux is not the OS for everything. But Linux is at least as capable as Windows NT, so certainly anything you would run NT for, you could run Linux for. And that means in some cases even enterprise servers, although Linux's lack of capability to scale beyond 8 processors might leave it out of the pack for some enterprise servers.
As for the claim that no IRC servers run Linux, thats just absolutely ludicrous. I've seen IRC servers running Linux.
No. Microsoft had an agreement with SCO not to compete against SCO when it sold them Xenix. The agreement was for a specified time and it ran out a long time ago.
No. The Commodore 64 was a 6800, as was most of the Atari machines (the 400 may have been 6502, but I'm not sure...)
And thats *exactly* what that is. They did a global search and replace on "CorelDRAW" and replaced it with "Linux" essentially.
The person who probably crufted together the Beta test agreement is probably a clueless droid and no one caught the error.
was that Zilog at one point had a 16-bit or 32-bit CPU that was supposed to be pin-for-pin compatible with the Z-80 on the drawing board....something like the Z-8000 or something, but it got canned for whatever reason.
I know this sounds like total crap, but is it true? Does anyone have any inside info?
The 6502 was the first chip I learned assembler on. In fact, back then, assemblers were pretty expensive (no open source assemblers, either), so I memorized all the opcodes and did quite a bit of hacking in raw hex on that chip. Those were the days. :)
:), but by then I had an assembler (in those days MASM was widely available and I got it for free)...
Of course, I later learned 8086 and then 80386 assembler (I refused to learn the 16-bit protected mode 286 stuff as it was way too crufty
Now I couldn't remember the opcodes for the 6502 if I tried... I haven't coded on that chip in years.
Oh yeah, and the only popular machines with the 6502s were the Apples. The 6800 was really popular on the Commodores. But the rest of the industry standardized on the Z80.
FWIW, the 6502 later begat a 16-bit version, the 65816, which was put into the Apple IIgs in 1986, which was really the first "multimedia" computer (stereo quality sound [not yet available on the Macs at that point], had a CD-ROM drive available for it, had decent graphics for the time (640x400). AFAIK, Motorola is still selling the chips for embedded applications (they were last time i checked), but who knows.
But how about Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie or Brian Kernighan?
Without their contributions of Unix and C, free software may never have come about.
Why would Microsoft build its crappy OS for hardware it doesn't build? Or for any hardware Intel doesn't build?
Why would Sun build Solaris for x86, also hardware it doesn't build.
Why would SGI build Irix for x86? (Note: SGI is responsible for the MIPS processors)
about AI but...
It seems to me that any AI system, no matter how complex, no matter what technology is used is ultimately a collection of a bazillion switches. Even so-called analog computers are ultimately digital.
So I don't see how any AI system can outwrite a human. People can think, computers can't. Its really simple. Writing is something can comes from the soul. Computers have no soul. Technology is not the answer to everything. Humans are still needed and creativity can't be learned...In fact, the purpose of computers is ultimately to allow humans to more easily utilize their own creativity, right?
I'm pretty sure System V/386 came out first. When did BSD 386 come out?
:) I read it back when I thought Windows 95 was decent. [I was naive])
There were LOTS of other 32-bit OSes for cheap Intel hardware, too, like Coherent and DesqView/386. (Those who deny that DesqView is an operating system should read Andrew Schulman's excellent work, Unauthorized Windows 95, although I'm sure OS purists won't like it
Besides, OS/2 isn't a fully 32-bit OS: it has some 16-bit code, although most of it is for running legacy applications.
...article. One that the article is complete FUD and the other is that the guy is doing some kind of service to the community.
/is/ tightly controlled by Linus Tovalds and it is a very *pragmatic* design. There are always tradeoffs to be made in the design of any architecure, and Linux is simply one approach. One that, IMHO, works very well.
I fall in the middle... I think an article espousing the virtues of the *BSD systems over Linux is good...there aren't many that I've seen in the mainstream press.
however, the article does contain a LOT of FUD.
The bit about "correctness" really struck me. While Linux is by no means designed to be the ultimately correct perfect academic example of operating system design (for instance, Linux is a monolithic design [the kernel is one big program], vs. the "correct" academic microkernel architecture [small, independent components with tightly-controlled communications linking them]), the design and architecture
The bit about Linux being very much a subject of attack for 'crackers': sure, Linux gets more attacks. But its probably because there are more Linux boxes than *BSD boxes. Windows is attacked far more than Linux (witness recent developments such as Melissa and ExploreZip). Why? Because there are more Windows boxes than Linux boxes. If BSD were more popular than Linux, I'm sure it would be the subject of more attacks.
But some of the things about OpenBSDs strong security vs. FreeBSDs excellent support for threads are very good points. But the guy definitely is spreading FUD: if you can't build up support for your operating system by pointing out its virtues, I guess you're left to attacking your competition. Of course, this tactic is simply tasteless, disgusting and simply downright childish.
That first line should read:
... 9!"
"You missed something very vital..5+7=12, which divded by 4 and multiplied by the first number (3) is
You missed something very vital...5+7=12, which divided by 4 is ... 9!
... 9!
:)
add the final 6 to the all of the 1s in the passage and you get
And, count the digits...there 21 of them... divide that by the second-to-last number, 7, and multiply that by the first number, and what do you get? Nine!!!!
Wow...this really DOES mean.....!
err...nothing.