I'm curious... I pay $75/mo for the DSL line from the local phone company and $50/mo for the ISP connection.
This is 768K up and down......
Do you pay extra for your digital subscriber line from the phone comapny.. or is that included? I don't understand how that works....
Incedentally.... the dsl network is owned by the local phone company around here. To increase my up and down bandwidth.. I have to pay the phone company more money per month... the isp rates stay the same. Weird, huh?
I consider myself lucky that I am not in a position where I'm required by a job or somesuch to HAVE to use M$ products.
I don't know about anyone else.. but I send a polite reply to anyone that sends me e-mail in M$ only format, letting them know that I do not accept any e-mail or correspondance that's not in STANDARD format. Granted I may have missed a few things of importance but since I never read the junk... I wouldn't know. Yes.. I have translators.. but that's not my job. Anyone using the internet should use the standard protocals... If you can't figure out how to make Outlook Express send e-mail in ascii/mime format. You probably don't have anything to say that I care to hear. *shrug*
M$ has screwed the public by crippling communications without using _their_ products.
And what's this crap I hear about having to re-boot after installing a new driver? *sheesh* How'd they buffalo the public into accepting that crud? Oh yeah... the microshaft way IS the way computers are supposed to run.. *sigh* Sheeple.. a WHOLE bunch of sheeple...:/ I DO use M$ on occasion.. but only when I'm forced to because of some proprietary M$ crap. Usually only once a month though.. so it's not really THAT painful...
I like the quote I saw recently.... 'A computer without a Microsoft OS on it? Gee... that's like a choklit cake without mustard.' (yes.. I know I misspelled chocholate)
So how come there's no mention of what resources were still left available on the NT or Linux machine?
I'd be quite surprised to find that the Linux box was using even close to all of it's resources...
Wonder what would happen to the NT's stats if you opened up a copy of IE or Netscape and started browsing the net with it.
We all know what would happen if you hit one of 'those' pages. heh.. How many pages did you say the linux box can serve up during the time it takes for nt to crash and re-boot?
Reminds me of a couple of guys out at the lake here. They all have large boats.. but blown engines.. the works.... One guy only has a 454 non-blown, non stroked engine. He's not quite as fast as the other boats... but He's put an awful lot of extra miles on his while the other guys had theirs in the shop for repairs.
Personally I'll never use M$ anything for business.
I don't have time to stop and fix something every other day. *shrug*
Get in, do the maintenence, get out. Server crashes SUCK!
It comes down to the degredation of thought when using a computer.
Microsoft and Apple have created an environment that pretty much allows someone to use a computer without thinking. Of course they get what they think for.
In reality... If a user has never used a computer before it's easier for them to learn Linux and much less painful in the long run than if they have been corrupted by Microshaft or Apple.
It's not that Linux is 'Too Hard' to learn... it's that it's different than the pre-processed baby food pc companies have been feeding them and calling good. It's better. Ok.. so it's not as polished and supported. That's changing quickly and I for one am glad to see the slow migration away from the 'other' OS's.... I'd like to see the bsd's and such have as much interest as well.
I'll even bet that if you fed Gates some sodium pentathol that he would admit that his OS is a huge ball of garbage code that should be flushed.
There's the right way to do things... and then there's the Microsoft/Apple way to do things.
Fortunately there are more right ways to do things than wrong ways.
(I love this quote) 'A computer without Microsoft, Gee... that's like chocholate cake without mustard.'
The point is that with a standard configuration with no keyboard and no video card does not allow you to re-configure the bios without plugging both the keyboard and a videocard in and attaching a monitor.
The weasel seems to be an interesting work around. I wish them luck.:P
#1.) Right... we're a fluke or something... god is just some (non-alien) life form that decided to create us one day.
In an infinite uinverse your statistics are pretty much insignificant.
2#.) Since when has god said anything to anyone? Or does he appear to you on occasion to give you stock tips?
3#.) Who said Seti is looking for communications? ANY non-natural event could be an indication of ETI.
4#.) Unless there is some way to 'warp' or 'fold-space' or travel 'faster-than-light', it really doesn't make a difference if there's ETI or not. Think about it.
My advice: 1. Get a life. 2. Read anything you can get your hands on. 3. Find something you like and let it kill you.
That's an interesting point... Being able to take on more rendering projects would increase his pay... however...
What renders faster? an Empty-box (NT) Or a Linux-box?
IS Linux faster rendering than NT? I've never done any myself. (nor have I used NT) Does only M$ stuff run the rendering software He uses? I would be most curious to find out.
I would assume (yeah, dangerous I know) that he would be able to get the same savings and speed by running Linux as his rendering box. Not to mention how much more he would be able to take on after overclocking it at that point.
Is it possible that Microsoft is more admitting to their inferiority overseas.. due (in part) to the Europeans being less tolearant and more observant. Do they believe that (since we speak US English) we'll not hear about what they do over there?
OR
Are these Microsoft reps speaking english at these conventions? and if not... do they understand what they are saying or are they just reading it? heh.. makes you wonder who writes the speeches if they don't understand it.
I've been hearing this same argument for years... It all comes down to case design... I use cheap cases... I.E. the air flow is not as well planned as some of the other nice cases I've had the opportunity to drool over in the stores.
Personally.. I never put the covers on my 'puters either. Yes.. you do have to seperate the harddri ves a bit as they tend to heat up a little more The reason I don't put the cover on is because my chip is overclocked... With the cover on the kernel barfs horribly after about 8 minutes.. and I can feel the heat of the cpu from the OUTSIDE of the case where it's located. BAD BAD BAD...
Yeah.. I could go with a better fan or something.. but it runs just fine as it is... It's quiet and since it's 2 1/2' from my head when I sleep.. that's a good thing.
I for one would have preferred to have had to pay more for hardware in the last few years than been forced to watch the Microshaft revolution.
Because they are big... the market for hardware has been cheap of late.
If they had not been big... we would have a better OS in the mass market's mindset... *shrug*
Microshaft will never be able to "crush" Linux... nor do to it the same as Java and OS/2... It just won't happen...
Personally.. I don't care one way or the other what other people use... I'll use Linux because it works the way _I_ want it to... Not because a commercial says so... (though I wouldn't mind seeing Tux on TV.. heh.. 'course I don't watch TV either) or some big Corporation says so.
It was quite interesting to read the accounts of others' experiences in High School. I've been out of the education scene for almost ten years now and have just recently re-entered it.
Yes..... High School sucked... It's only now that I realize that the majority of the things I did that were so bizarre and 'out-there' were to fit in with other kids. Trying to be normal. Well.. I'm NOT normal and never will be normal. I'm ok with it now and it doesn't bother me in the slightest any more but I can remember many times when it seemed as if the whole world was against me.
Since I've entered college it's been interesting. I still don't fit in... but I can at least count on both hands the number of times I have NOT gotten the feeling that everyone around me was slow. I'd say that's pretty dang good for one semester. Can't wait for the next.
The main reason I enjoy the internet so much is that it allows me to go outside my physical location and find others who are on the same level as I. Others who need not have me type a full ten sentances because they understand me in the first 5 words. People who are NOT negative or narrow minded, who can appreciate your ideas and actually be of some help in times of stress, etc. In light of what our system has become, when it comes to it's treatment of children, they are failing dismally. I cannot belive what poor quality (mentally and socially) students are entering the college in this day and age. Many of it being a direct result of the societal conditions they've been subjected to, the last few years, in our public school system.
The internet provides a larger community for us to search out those who would help us see that we are in fact the norm. It is society's game that's the sham. Pity that many of us learn that lesson late, and usually painfully at that.
IF there were several varieties of Losedoze on the market and it was the only viable OS, I"m sure that my choice wouldn't be the same as most other's choice; yet it would be MY choice!
I, for one, am grateful there are so many choices out there in the world of Linux distribution land.
I may never, EVER, use another distribution other than the one I currently use now. I WILL defend, to the death, my right to choose another if I like.
Don't close doors because you think _I_ might not like what you are supposing MIGHT be behind it. There are enough people in the world doing that already and I find it cramping my life at every turn. Thanx.
The rest of his article is just worthless filler. Even the last parapgraph wasn't all that good, it's just that it's the only point in the article that has any thought put into it...
Frankly, I've always wanted to move my lab into a silo like that. Gotta admit that I really enjoy concrete holes in the ground. Definitely would have to have access though.
As for the neutron bomb and rotting corpses? Just figure that if you wait long enough... it won't smell so bad and there won't be any squishy stuff to clean up.
I love it.. hehehe.. and no... you'll never be able to do that with standard windoze installation media. You stick that floppy in and it's gonna format your harddrive... that is.. if it can even SEE your harddrive.. heheh...
How come the techie said that a crashed program doesn't pull down an entire NT machine? That's a bunch of hooey.
I'm not even gonna go into the article at all. I'll just point out that he mentions that he was even able to run 'A' web-browser. I wonder if the copy editor made him remove the name 'Netscape'.
Ok... right off.. I've never used Oracle on any platform. I'd just like to point out something that I believe a few of you might have missed.
It seems that Oracle did an inventory of their Corp. Network and found 1400+ Linux machines. I believe they made a statement to the effect that they were going full bore on linux support.
Considering how many of their employees run Linux. I don't think they're going to stop support for Oracle, any time soon.
Every computer company in the whole industry does not know how to do bussiness other then microsoft. Microsoft is the only company trying to make great products and doing great bussiness deals while the other companies just whine.
M$ was founded by Bill Gates. Lil' Willy is a ruthless businessman who does not mind being unethical to get what he wants... i.e. $$$$ They don't sit around in Redmond and have discussions like: "gee... what can we do that will make our customers get a warm fuzzy feeling in their tummies as they use our 'wonderful' products."
Trust me... they are in the business of making money. If they can sell you an upgrade to fix their mistakes in the previous version, they are accomplishing this. M$ has created an entire technical support industry who's only job is to keep their buggy OS's running. They don't care about you 'Anonymous Coward', they care about the $$ you throw at them.
I don't hate M$. I use my 95 machine as a night-light and an arbitrary distributed.net keycracker(allbeit a very slow one).
Linux will become a viable desktop OS. Maybe not THE Desktop OS, but then, that's not really important. What's important is that the power and flexibility will always be there, and those who wish to utilize tools to maximize their potential and accomplish their goals, will use Linux when it comes to computers.
Windoze whatever will always be a viable OS for the sheeple (i.e. You.) who believe everything they hear on tv and read in the paper. It will probably never die. (there are an awful lot of people making money off of the fact that it's a piece of junk)
Linux only continues to get better and better. *shrug* Watch and see.
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I'm curious... I pay $75/mo for the DSL line from the local phone company and $50/mo for the ISP connection.
This is 768K up and down......
Do you pay extra for your digital subscriber line from the phone comapny.. or is that included?
I don't understand how that works....
Incedentally.... the dsl network is owned by the local phone
company around here. To increase my up and down
bandwidth.. I have to pay the phone company
more money per month... the isp rates stay the same. Weird, huh?
Let's see...
128Kilobit streaming MP3 download 24/7
(this is normal for me)
128Kilobit / 8? = 16Kilobytes/sec
16K/sec * 60sec = 960K/min
960K/min * 60min= 57600K/hr = 56.25Megs per hour?
57600K/hr * 24 = 1382400KiloBYTES/day = 1.350 GIG's per day
1382400K/day * 31 = 42854400K/mo. = 40.86 Gig's
Per Month
That's not including ANY gaming/browsing/downloads/Mucking
Etc. etc. etc. etc.....
How much was that per extra 100M's?
Yeah.. I pay a bit for 768K DSL... but it's worth it not to have to bother with junk like this...
768K u/d Servers up to the individual.... No slow times of the day... *shrug* Who could ask for more?
If my numbers are off... I do apologize... (I'm just a wee bit tired this morning)
I consider myself lucky that I am not in a position
:/
where I'm required by a job or somesuch to HAVE to
use M$ products.
I don't know about anyone else.. but I send a polite reply to anyone that sends me e-mail in M$ only format, letting them know that I do not accept any e-mail or correspondance that's not
in STANDARD format.
Granted I may have missed a few things of importance
but since I never read the junk... I wouldn't know.
Yes.. I have translators.. but that's not my job.
Anyone using the internet should use the standard
protocals... If you can't figure out how to make
Outlook Express send e-mail in ascii/mime format.
You probably don't have anything to say that I care
to hear. *shrug*
M$ has screwed the public by crippling communications without
using _their_ products.
And what's this crap I hear about having to re-boot after installing
a new driver? *sheesh* How'd they buffalo
the public into accepting that crud?
Oh yeah... the microshaft way IS the way computers
are supposed to run.. *sigh* Sheeple.. a WHOLE bunch
of sheeple...
I DO use M$ on occasion.. but only when I'm forced to because of some
proprietary M$ crap. Usually only once a month
though.. so it's not really THAT painful...
I like the quote I saw recently....
'A computer without a Microsoft OS on it? Gee...
that's like a choklit cake without mustard.'
(yes.. I know I misspelled chocholate)
So how come there's no mention of what resources
were still left available on the NT or Linux machine?
I'd be quite surprised to find that the Linux box
was using even close to all of it's resources...
Wonder what would happen to the NT's stats if you
opened up a copy of IE or Netscape and started browsing the net with it.
We all know what would happen if you hit one of 'those' pages.
heh.. How many pages did you say the linux box
can serve up during the time it takes for nt to
crash and re-boot?
Reminds me of a couple of guys out at the lake here.
They all have large boats.. but blown engines.. the works....
One guy only has a 454 non-blown, non stroked engine.
He's not quite as fast as the other boats...
but He's put an awful lot of extra miles on his
while the other guys had theirs in the shop for repairs.
Personally I'll never use M$ anything for business.
I don't have time to stop and fix something every other day. *shrug*
Get in, do the maintenence, get out. Server crashes SUCK!
It comes down to the degredation of thought when
using a computer.
Microsoft and Apple have created an environment that
pretty much allows someone to use a computer without
thinking. Of course they get what they think for.
In reality... If a user has never used a computer before
it's easier for them to learn Linux and much less painful
in the long run than if they have been corrupted
by Microshaft or Apple.
It's not that Linux is 'Too Hard' to learn... it's that
it's different than the pre-processed baby food pc companies
have been feeding them and calling good.
It's better. Ok.. so it's not as polished and supported.
That's changing quickly and I for one am glad to see
the slow migration away from the 'other' OS's....
I'd like to see the bsd's and such have as much interest as well.
I'll even bet that if you fed Gates some sodium
pentathol that he would admit that his OS is
a huge ball of garbage code that should be flushed.
There's the right way to do things... and then there's the
Microsoft/Apple way to do things.
Fortunately there are more right ways to do things
than wrong ways.
(I love this quote) 'A computer without Microsoft,
Gee... that's like chocholate cake without mustard.'
The point is that with a standard configuration with no keyboard and no video card does not allow
:P
you to re-configure the bios without plugging
both the keyboard and a videocard in and attaching a monitor.
The weasel seems to be an interesting work around.
I wish them luck.
#1.) Right... we're a fluke or something... god is
just some (non-alien) life form that decided to create us one day.
In an infinite uinverse your statistics are pretty much insignificant.
2#.) Since when has god said anything to anyone? Or does
he appear to you on occasion to give you stock tips?
3#.) Who said Seti is looking for communications?
ANY non-natural event could be an indication of ETI.
4#.) Unless there is some way to 'warp' or 'fold-space'
or travel 'faster-than-light', it really doesn't
make a difference if there's ETI or not. Think about it.
My advice:
1. Get a life.
2. Read anything you can get your hands on.
3. Find something you like and let it kill you.
That's an interesting point...
Being able to take on more rendering projects would increase his pay... however...
What renders faster? an Empty-box (NT)
Or a Linux-box?
IS Linux faster rendering than NT?
I've never done any myself. (nor have I used NT)
Does only M$ stuff run the rendering software He uses?
I would be most curious to find out.
I would assume (yeah, dangerous I know) that he would
be able to get the same savings and speed by running
Linux as his rendering box. Not to mention how much more
he would be able to take on after overclocking it at that point.
Just curious
This is an excellent example of informed journalism.
Very well written, researched and presented.
Makes me shiver when I think of what's going to be available for Linux in 4 years.
Let's hear it for momentum. Keep it up, all.
Is it possible that Microsoft is more admitting to their
inferiority overseas.. due (in part) to the Europeans being
less tolearant and more observant.
Do they believe that (since we speak US English) we'll not hear about what they do over there?
OR
Are these Microsoft reps speaking english at these conventions? and if not... do they understand what they are saying or are they just reading it? heh.. makes you wonder who writes the speeches if they don't understand it.
anyway...
I've been hearing this same argument for years...
It all comes down to case design... I use cheap cases... I.E. the air flow is not as well planned
as some of the other nice cases I've had the opportunity to drool over in the stores.
Personally.. I never put the covers on my 'puters either. Yes.. you do have to seperate the harddri ves a bit as they tend to heat up a little more
The reason I don't put the cover on is because my chip is overclocked... With the cover on the kernel barfs horribly after about 8 minutes.. and I can feel the heat of the cpu from the OUTSIDE of the case where it's located. BAD BAD BAD...
Yeah.. I could go with a better fan or something.. but it runs just fine as it is... It's quiet and since it's 2 1/2' from my head when I sleep.. that's a good thing.
I for one would have preferred to have had to pay more for hardware in the last few years than been forced to watch the Microshaft revolution.
Because they are big... the market for hardware has been cheap of late.
If they had not been big... we would have a better OS in the mass market's mindset... *shrug*
Microshaft will never be able to "crush" Linux... nor do to it the same as Java and OS/2...
It just won't happen...
Personally.. I don't care one way or the other what other people use... I'll use Linux because it works the way _I_ want it to... Not because a commercial says so... (though I wouldn't mind seeing Tux on TV.. heh.. 'course I don't watch TV either) or some big Corporation says so.
When the smoke clears.. I'll still be using it.
It was quite interesting to read the accounts of others' experiences in High School.
I've been out of the education scene for almost ten
years now and have just recently re-entered it.
Yes..... High School sucked... It's only now that I realize
that the majority of the things I did that were so bizarre and 'out-there'
were to fit in with other kids.
Trying to be normal. Well.. I'm NOT normal and never will be normal.
I'm ok with it now and it doesn't bother me in the slightest any more
but I can remember many times when it seemed as if the whole world was
against me.
Since I've entered college it's been interesting. I still don't
fit in... but I can at least count on both hands the number of times
I have NOT gotten the feeling that everyone around me was slow.
I'd say that's pretty dang good for one semester. Can't wait for the next.
The main reason I enjoy the internet so much is that it allows me to go outside my physical location and find others who are on the same level as I. Others who need not have me type a full ten sentances because they understand me
in the first 5 words.
People who are NOT negative or narrow minded, who can appreciate
your ideas and actually be of some help in times of stress, etc.
In light of what our system has become, when it comes to it's
treatment of children, they are failing dismally.
I cannot belive what poor quality (mentally and socially) students are entering the college in this day and age.
Many of it being a direct result of the societal conditions they've been subjected to, the last few years, in our public school system.
The internet provides a larger community for us to search out those who would help us see that we are in fact the norm. It is society's game that's the sham. Pity that many of us learn that lesson late, and usually painfully at that.
Wow... now THAT made for a quick download.. *giggle*
I would bet my last computer he's never used Linux before.
Obviously he was running short of material in his cell
starved cranial cavity.
You can dump 30K$ and 6 years of effort into a Yugo.
In the end.. it's still a Yugo. *shrug*
Anyone else think the only person who truly believes Microsoft
will ever get their OS running right is Billy boy?
It's a matter of Choice.
IF there were several varieties of Losedoze
on the market and it was the only viable
OS, I"m sure that my choice wouldn't be the same
as most other's choice; yet it would be MY choice!
I, for one, am grateful there are so many choices out there in the world of Linux distribution land.
I may never, EVER, use another distribution other than the one I currently use now.
I WILL defend, to the death, my right to choose another if I like.
Don't close doors because you think _I_ might not like what you are supposing MIGHT be behind it.
There are enough people in the world doing that already and I find it cramping my life at every turn.
Thanx.
I wish. :
The rest of his article is just worthless filler.
Even the last parapgraph wasn't all that good, it's just that it's the only point in the article that has any thought put into it...
I couldn't read any further than the statement:
The GPL was clearly an important statement, but the ideology was way ahead of what most people wanted to practice.
Oh... So the GPL should go the way of the Tucker?
It's tooo new of a concept, even though it's excellent and good?
Ja, Ok.
I don't read replies.. unless they're e-mailed. Time is of the essence.
Frankly, I've always wanted to move my lab into a silo like that.
Gotta admit that I really enjoy concrete holes in the ground. Definitely would have to have access though.
As for the neutron bomb and rotting corpses? Just figure that if you wait long enough... it won't smell so bad and there won't be any squishy stuff to clean up.
Cheers,
GreyFauk
I love it.. hehehe.. and no... you'll never be able to do that with standard windoze installation media. You stick that floppy in and it's gonna format your harddrive... that is.. if it can even SEE your harddrive.. heheh...
How come the techie said that a crashed program doesn't pull down an entire NT machine?
That's a bunch of hooey.
I'm not even gonna go into the article at all.
I'll just point out that he mentions that he was even able to run 'A' web-browser.
I wonder if the copy editor made him remove the name 'Netscape'.
Anyone ever hear of MSIE for Unix? *shudder*
Ok... right off.. I've never used Oracle on any platform.
I'd just like to point out something that I believe a few of you might have missed.
It seems that Oracle did an inventory of their Corp. Network and found 1400+ Linux machines.
I believe they made a statement to the effect that
they were going full bore on linux support.
Considering how many of their employees run Linux.
I don't think they're going to stop support for Oracle, any time soon.
Then again... what do _I_ know?
Sorry.. couldn't resist... well said.
Every computer company in the whole industry does not know how to do bussiness other then
microsoft. Microsoft is the only company trying to make great products and doing great bussiness deals while the other companies just whine.
M$ was founded by Bill Gates. Lil' Willy is a ruthless businessman who does not mind being unethical to get what he wants... i.e. $$$$
They don't sit around in Redmond and have discussions like: "gee... what can we do that will make our customers get a warm fuzzy feeling in their tummies as they use our 'wonderful' products."
Trust me... they are in the business of making money. If they can sell you an upgrade to fix their mistakes in the previous version, they are accomplishing this. M$ has created an entire technical support industry who's only job is to keep their buggy OS's running. They don't care about you 'Anonymous Coward', they care about the $$ you throw at them.
I don't hate M$. I use my 95 machine as a night-light and an arbitrary distributed.net keycracker(allbeit a very slow one).
Linux will become a viable desktop OS. Maybe not THE Desktop OS, but then, that's not really important. What's important is that the power and flexibility will always be there, and those who wish to utilize tools to maximize their potential and accomplish their goals, will use Linux when it comes to computers.
Windoze whatever will always be a viable OS for the sheeple (i.e. You.) who believe everything they hear on tv and read in the paper. It will probably never die. (there are an awful lot of people making money off of the fact that it's a piece of junk)
Linux only continues to get better and better. *shrug* Watch and see.