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on from the here-comes-the-floods dept.
Jan Kautz wrote in to tell us that Red Hat 6.0 has begun
appearing on the mirrors, so all you mad hatters can
cruise on it, avoid the traffic, and download the latest.
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Wish I could get it ...
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The ftp sites are all seems down right now. What a mess!
upgrade path
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Is there an upgrade path to RH 6.0 from 5.2 or do I have to scrap everything and start from scratch?
thanks Annonymous Newbie
cool.
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I will bet 6.1 will be out in two weeks:-)
The version is based on StarBuck 5.9.7 version, but as far as I know, that release was still full of problems.
Yay!
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Yes, and all under the GPL. KDE is great also.
See Previous Artical
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Those are different programs. the "RHmemeber" program is _not_ the standard Red Hat Linux operating system box. Look Carefully.
but, it's not May 10.
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May 10th in stores
RPM 3.0 available, too
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Your article would have been more informative if you told us what the difference was? Except for the version number?
heh. not easy with...
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Try using telemate and lynx to cut and paste stuff. It's not all that easy. With normal backscroll it's no problem, but lynx messes up backscroll. And don't tell me to use a real OS/browser.
Mirrors
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Well I went through about 95% of the sites on www.redhat.com/mirrors.html and they are all at 5.2 and some starbuck. I'm sure that 6.0 was ready on friday so why don't they let the mirrors all get synced and then release it on monday. This would make more sense instead of trying to fight your way into ftp.redhat.com. And currently: PING redhat.com (207.175.42.154): 56 data bytes
but this is slashdot
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This is slashdot where people make all kinds of idiotic remarks without any proof or research. This is where all kinds of products get bashed because people are too lazy to buy them or actually try them.
On mirrors? I don't see it.
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I've searched through them too without any luck, although I did see one that had the directory tree created for RedHat6.0, but no files.
ISO?
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Does anyone know if there is a publicly availible ISO anywhere for Redhat 6. I know mandrake does this for their distribution and it makes it much easier to make a bootable redhat cd.
ummmmmmmmm
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yes... rufus is in the process of collecting the RedHat-6.0 directory
SuSE downloadable as well
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While Caldera has offered only a crippled version for download until now, SuSE is available on the net.
Just like RedHat, they're offering it on their ftp server (but mind you, it's REALLY big, unlike tiny RedHat).
Mirrors
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Actually www.redhat.com was dead at the time too
Which versions of...
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libc? C compiler? GNOME? kernel?
etc. does it have?
I'm hoping this is a glibc2.1 distro.
DG
May 10 is for retail boxes (I think)
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I believe that May 10 is the day that the CD's-in-boxes will be available at your local Kompootr's-Am-Us. Obviously the software is finalized some time before the CD's are pressed and the boxes printed.
better RPM tree or still beta stuff
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Is the layout of the RPMs still this beta stuff as for GNOME-1.0 or did they start a real clean up? (look at the Group: entries of the RPMS - What about GNOME/Libraries, GNOME/Utilities,...) Do they still place everything anywhere on the harddisk? (What about/opt/gnome and/opt/kde or/usr/gnome,/usr/kde, reloc packages,...)
Looks like another distributor has released a new CD (Caldera 2.2, SuSE 6.1) - so we have to do the same.
Differences?
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I'm using RedHat 5.1. I askipped 5.2 because I'd heard it was mostly just improvements to the install. How does 6.0 differ from 5.x?
Thanks
Take care, Jay O'Connor joconnor@roadrunner.com
(more) Differences?
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OK. Here's where I really show I'm outta touch.
What's the difference(s) between 2.2.x and 2.0.36. I'm using the 2.0.36 kernal and wasn't sure if I really needed to upgrade.
I'm running Linux on a single CPU box at home tha t I use mostly for programming (VisualWorks), web stuff, and MIDI programming. What does 2.2.x offer me?
Thanks
Take care, Jay
Debian... there is no substitute
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and watch in awe as apt finds the newest versions available of the packages you have on your system (including kernel 2.2.x), downloads them and does a hot-upgrade with dependancy checking - including removing old cruft that is no longer needed. It makes every other OS's upgrade scheme look sad and pathetic (including NT & commercial unixes). When RPM can do this, maybe I'll try RedHat again, but then again, why would I?;)
About Debian....
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I also was a redhat user...also SuSE and slackware. I ordered Debian slink and all i can say is WOW. I have never had a better setup. ALL my packages are up to date and current no dependency problems, as easy as apt-get upgrade every day maybe 2 times a day and packages are updated. I would reccomend debian to every linux user.. Of course i am not mentioning any other great points of the Distrib but thats cause i'm on my 15 min break hehe I am just so happy with it compared to other distribs i have used i always feel the need to share. Give debian a try.
What to do, what to do?
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Given your load, the uptime is nothing to brag about. Even Windows is fairly stable if you don't try to do anything with it. Get back to us when procinfo reports your idle time at under 10%.
this is exactly why you should install beta software on machines you can safely reboot.
The final release of IE5 did the same thing, it just provided a 'reboot? ok' dialog first. It still "makes" you reboot, it still sucks...
Debian/RPMFind
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Try rpm --rebuilddb
Good mirror sites
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Where is a good list of mirror sites? (not just one particular site)
Cost of 6.0 (or, supporting GNOME)
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Maybe we should wait until 6.0 is actually released before we make assumptions about it. I heard that it will not be available until next month. Let us not speak to soon.
at job.
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That'd be an at job, not a cron job.:)
whoa
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Whoa it just came out this morning. The cd places still have to download it like everyone else and then burn it to thousands of cds. Even if you see it on cheapbytes or something, you wont get the cd for a week or two
but this is slashdot...
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Hey, your a poet and you didn't even know it.:) I'm confedent Redhat isn't going to release a trash product. They've been giving us great releases for a long time now. I expect the same out of RH 6.0.
P.S. Try out VMware, it is just about the coolest thing since RedHat 5.1.
upgrade path
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Forgive my ignorance, but is there a bandwidth-friendly way of doing this? I have RedHat Linux 5.2/i386 and a 28.8 link... is there a list of the packages I need to download to upgrade, so that I don't have to download the entire RPMS directory?
Thank you in advance for your assistance!
Insert new kernel while running???
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apt-get dist-upgrade on debian will upgrade everything in readiness for a new kernel, but you still have to reboot before it becomes active.
Linux, as a monolithic kernel, is not really designed for doing a brain transplant upon itself + keeping going. however, as modules are used more and more, the distinction between big and little kernels is becoming blurred. All that is needed is inter-module cooperative memory protection ( like WarpOS on the PPC-side of a "classic" Amiga 68k/ppc dual-processor card...now there's a weird system...) and for all intents and puroses, linux is a microkernel.
Some day in the future, we'll have a real-time, fully memory protected wonder OS. QNX is already pretty close, but it ain't open source, as such ( although most device drivers for it are, only the (really tiny) core kernel isn't). On the other hand, QNX is the core of the NG amiga, and everyone knows amigas were the coolest production computer ever.
Maybe the HURD will get there eventually, but the way linux kernel loadable modules are headed, linux might get there first - rtlinux uses kenrel modules as real-time tasks as it is, just need inter-module memory protection...
from the RH ftp to me with love
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RH 6.0 is making its way from ftp land to my box even as we speak.
To debian users - are there relatively new.debs for gnome? or is there a howto to compile gnome from source for debian? ( i know how to compile, i just want to know all of the depenencies and what the debian packages are that contain them)
thanks -matt
Re: from the RH ftp to me with love
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Ah, but in the Debian world, we wait until something is STABLE before we put it in our stable branch. Of course, should you wish, you can easily choose the unstable branch and get the latest versions of things - but of course it's unstable. If RedHat had someway to automatically keep all of my packages up-to-date, I might try it out - if their FTP servers are still alive that is.
Red Hat's having problems
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They are having problems with their server that the mirror sites are downloading off so expect some delays. Yippie.
What to do, what to do?
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[root@cttr5/]# uptime 9:09pm up 549 days, 6:31, 12 users, load average: 1.03, 1.26, 1.24 [root@cttr5/]# uname -a HP-UX cttr5 B.10.20 A 9000/899 1608462391 two-user license
Redhat 6.0 mirror
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Well hey, I live in OKC also, wanna just burn me a copy and I'll give you a six pack? Interested, email me at geoflunky@geocities.com.
It's called FSSTAND
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The reason things are installed in/usr is to conform with the linux filesystem standard. Distributions are not supposed to put anything in/opt- that's reserved for user/administrator-added software. Also there's not supposed to be any extra directories under the/usr heirarchy for various packages. There's nothing wrong with having gnome and kde installed like this-- its the unix way of doing things. if you dont like it use windows:P.
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Debs of GNOME can be found at:
http://www.debian.org/~jim/debian-gtk-gnome
Big Linux x86 uptimes and jiffies overflows
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According to my "Linux Device Drivers" book, x86 linux uses a 100hz timer and an unsigned 32-bit int for jiffies, so the system will crash when jiffies wraps around after 497 days. Is this true? I expected better.
They said on the Alpha it uses a 1024hz timer and a 64-bit unsigned int, which will last about 571 million years.
Re: Big Linux x86 uptimes and jiffies overflows
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There were concerns about that there may be code in the kernel or in device drivers that wouldn't survive the jiffy counter wrapping. My understanding is that several machines have survived the wrap with the only side effect being that uptime starts back at zero.
Of course, there may be subtle timing bugs, but I haven't heard of any...
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On mirrors? I do see it.
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sunsite.mff.cuni.cz is ready mirroring redhat-6.0, so if you are not to far away from it network-wise, you can give it a shot.
What to do, what to do?
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I'll just have to reply to this although my comments go out to all the NT bashers along this thread. It is a testament to your incompentance that you can not configure and maintain a Windows NT machine to sustain itself. I run a shop with 16 NT machines serving file/print/web/nfs/email. In fact, one NT machine alone runs file/print, nfs and GroupWise NT processes and has been running straight for 188 days (Since the last reboot - when I installed ArcServe 6.5). I can't remember the last time a server crashed. Have I had an NT server cash on me. Sure, 3.51 did some strange things. 4.0 pre SP 3 was known to blue screen at the strangest times. I'd have to say though that it doesn't hang anymore than our UNIX servers. ie. 1 server every 6 months is about right (maybe less). Why on earth are you using NT if it is so unstable? If you can't handle it, get rid of it or find someone who knows what to do. There are around 50,000 weekend warriors who could do a better job by the sounds of it.
SVGATextMode...
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SVGATextMode already accomplishes this (running setuid root, mind you) with older kernels.
but this is slashdot...
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I shall, as soon as i get around to upgrading my box =-)
Go to the mirrors
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I have tried about ten mirrors so far and only one had a 6.0 directory structure and the files weren't there yet. Just a teaser. I'm off to try a few more.
What to do, what to do?
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I guess it depends if you have a need for the most recently updated drivers. The drivers for my soundcard and nic are both being updated with each new release so I upgrade. Besides, it is fun!
ahem...
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Oh I get it, so anything rob doesn't personally post he must obviously be totally against, and also that hatred of his must somehow spread to the people who post in the message groups.. its all so clear now..
cron job
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If you're like me and you only have a 56K connection, you'll probably have to make it a cron job for a while...:-)
RPM 3.0 available, too
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Would it be so hard to RTFM2RPM? He did give a link.
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Before you go bashing NT yet again, keep in mind that there are plenty of us (the majority) that have long uptimes with NT. The machine that I am using right now has a 65 day uptime, and the only reason it has only 65, is that there was a power outage then, and the machine does not have a UPS (yet....).
I have been using NT since version 3.1, and while I have seen my share of crashes, the vast majority of machines are *very* stable. I routinely see NT workstations and servers with >100 day uptimes.
Please, before you bash NT, get the facts straight.
redhat 6.0
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there's nothing there but dirs.
redhat 6.0
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nope. still got empty directories. in RPMS base, and others...
the wait continues.
Thank you
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That's nice. Your comment will make me feel much better when I go to work tomorrow and reboot my NT box (which has slowed down to a crawl because it has only 80MB of RAM).
In fact, running Windows 98 is a far less painful experience than running NT, as far as it affects me, because Windows 98 boots faster when it crashes.
I agree that any box can acheive a long uptime running idle (last summer when I co-op'ed there was a computer running DOS that displayed a command prompt the entire time I worked there, no one touched it). And NT can achieve long uptimes doing one specific activity without configuration changes, but as soon as you have to change DNS server addresses or something you're toast unless you have special utilities to hot-configure the OS.
mirrors so far
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Monday 11:48 PM CDT
only found two working servers: unix.hensa.ac.uk and ftp.okcforum.org
both are sloooowww. can't connect to ftp.redhat.com. personally, I'm waiting for MIT to snag it, so I can suck it down the VBNS. I'll post an update when we get a mirror operational down here at Rice.
(more) Differences?
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does glibc 2.1 work with staroffice 5 yet?
What to do, what to do?
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You seem to be the only one.
Tell me, O great one...
What must I do to keep my NT box up for longer than 2 weeks without slowing to a crawl? It's a workstation, running sp4, ie4, finite element analysis, frontier, matlab. and perl. + other random things. It's got 128mb of memory, p2-450, and dual scsi disks.
Finally snagged it!
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Well it's after 1:00 am Monday night or Tuesday morning depending on your point of view, and I finally snagged it! Talk about a slashdotted server.
I snagged the core for $39.95 That is an interesting price arrangement, $39.95 without support and two CD's. I certainley don't need to pay for support, heck, like a lot of slashdot readers, I could offer my own support. But now the price is higher for the first time users, $79.95 What do some of you think about this new price arrangement?
I'm kinda wondering if I'm just wasting my money. I mean, really, I could have just download any packages I wanted updated and recompiled a 2.2 kernel. It's not like I won't end-up doing that anyway, especially at the speed the 2.2 kernels are coming out at. They're coming out a little too quickly if you ask me, I mean, there is a difference between rapid exciting developments and "brown paper bags"
Still there is that curiosity, to see what Red Hat's done, if it really is something new and special. And when you consider downloading KDE 1.1 and so on, well, then it's nice to have the CD's.
And my last word, I'm curious about the IBM Via Voice, that's probably on the third CD of the expensive version though right? Darn.
One more last word, I think people should try to avoid getting into a distribution rut. Everybody should have two distributions. The first should be something like RedHat or Suse, and the second should be Debian or Slackware, but that's just my opinion. (and I know there are other excellent distros too)
Mirror available?
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mirror.clarkson.edu is up, problem is i am not sure if you can get to it from outside the domain? If you can I bet it is fast since it is on a T3 and is not yet listed on the mirror list....
some one reply if they get through / get rejected
i have not tried the mirror yet either some some one let me know if it works....
upgrade path
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With a 28.8k link you are best of buying the CD. Just downloading the BASE packages is going to take you a day or two:) The base requirements (if you follow the documentation) are 50-100 megs of RPM packages.
freebsd
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where can i get this freebsd hgame i keep hearing about? is it gpl too?
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What's this? A wise crack about NT?:)
Well, my NT box has been up and running for 300 days now without a re-boot, an average load of 100%.. Yes, my little RC5-Dual P200MMX NT Box running RC5 none stop for over 300 days..:)
Perhaps, once or twice the CPU load wasn't at 100% because of a failure to get on the NET for more blocks..:)
Will there be a cheap, CDs-only "variety pack" (Intel, Sparc, Alpha) release of RedHat 6.0?
I bought the boxed set of RedHat 5.0 when I first tried Linux, then the RedHat 5.1 Powertools set. I was pretty peeved when they split Powertools up with 5.2 (and effectively charged more for the equivalent products) so skipped it.
The cheapest RedHat 6.0 product announced is "Core" which is 2 CDs (presumably one platform, but doesn't say which or give you a choice) and the manual. I just want the CDs! If it's going to cost an arm and a leg to get RedHat 6.0 for more than one platform, I'll stick to downloading.
Mirror available?
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dag nabbbit, large chunks are still EMPTY. i could get in, but not that much point, eh?
What to do, what to do?
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Oh shucks.. I guess he isn't the only one.. I have my NT box up and running stable period. The only time I need to reboot is on upgrades. Current statistics: System Idle Process: 0:18.36 IEXPLORE.EXE : 1:20.32 LITESTEP.EXE : 0:23.01 RC5DESG.EXE : 4982:33.12 ICQ.EXE : 23:01.49 BPFTP.EXE : 0:32.12 BPFTP.EXE : 0:49.18 WINAMP.EXE : 0:04.10 CONTROL.EXE : 0:23.23 (DK Defragmenter)
I'll reboot soon.. But only because I want to try OS/2 Warp 5 (Aurora)..
:: Wanna know why I stoped using OS/2? :: Not 'cause it sucked, but 'cause IBM sucks! -- Esoteric
Mirror available?
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mirror.clarkson.edu is up and I can acccess it. But does it have RH-6.0? No. Not as of 2:15AM CST. Mostly just directories.
Starbuck on Alpha
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Just upgraded my Miatas to Starbuck last Friday.
avoid the new rpm (2.9.x)
recompile utempter from the src.rpm
Everything works fine
redhat 6.0
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Its missing files also. images directory is empty as can be.:) among other things. As of 2:50AM CST.
How to confirm a complete download?
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So I fire up ncftp and get -C -R i386 in the redhat-6.0 directory on mirrors. My downloads fail left and right and I jump mirrors. In the end I am left with a downloaded directory that I think is complete. The 'ls-lR' file in the i386 directory lists all the files that I should theoratically have. But I cant run a diff against my own result of ls -lR on that directory. The timestamps are different, so every line shows up in the diff. Any ideas?
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What to do, what to do?..to restart!
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Since where engaged in yet another OS war,... well ive been using w95 in the past, use Linux now and at my work I use NT. First I thought that w95 was games, NT was stability and Linux wasnt comparable;)
Anyway about 95 and NT , w95 did crash a lot, but believing my friends using NT, NT was the place for stability...so now at my work i can only write down the fact that this week i have rebooted for 10 times (NT4 sp4) thats an average of 5 times in an 8 hour workday,...*that* is stable? nah...then i look at my Linux box (suse 6.0)and i know that *that is stable!* it reboots only when i tell it to:),..not even when exiting the console to the gui or vise versa as windows does...
But to my relief,...the day is closer and closer that i fdisk my w95 disk and make it a Linux native disk:) Thanks to Loki and Activision and offcourse ID Software! (yep games the only reason for the w95 disk)
Check out http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/
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This place is constantly updated. I check there every few days and can find -most- RPMs there. Works pretty well.
Chris
http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/
Check out http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/
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This place is constantly updated. I check there every few days and can find -most- RPMs there. Works pretty well.
Chris
Debian
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Same for me, i was waiting for a new redhat but i was sold out at my local store but they had SuSE 6.0 so i thought lets give that a try,...and it rocks! yast is very handy, the software package is very complete (only needed to download some themes and dockapps).
Another cool thing with SuSE is the big range of 'new' hardware support.
Actually i plan to buy SuSE 6.1 2.2 kernel instead of another redHat, am curious for trying out Slackware and Debian tho.
Anyone knows the big differences between them? (SuSE, Debian, Slack) And Stampede? anyone having used that?
Bad symlinks in RH6 tree - RedHat you listening??
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According to the mirror admins, that is how they are on ftp.redhat.com (although I've been unable to confirm).
Can this be fixed?
(I've emailed ftpadmin@redhat.com)
NO, those symlinks are correct
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see subject
Redhat configurability (was: but this is slashdot)
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firstly, who reboots their linux box with any frequency *grin*
we all know why RH comes in a MONOLOTHIC configuration and we should thank RH for it. It means that linux, on average, works out of the box for Joe User. and we have an increase in popularity of the linux system which has so far only benifited us.
and still it does not boot any slower than what most users are used to (win95-98 shudder.) once they have dipped their toes in they can play around with the internals if they wish. But RH is popularising a new class of linux User. They are not so much in the linux game for the sake of kernel technology, they are using linux, because it plays quake faster, runs more netscape windows without chunking the poota and has a web server and ftp thrown in
So they are not that keen on the configuration side. unless they have a reason to.
I personally found redhat "hard" to configure due to the imature state of its configuration tools. (setting up ppp the first time using chap, the control panel not working and having to go looking for the config files. then seeing the state of the config file for example)
i was used to getting my hands dirty with config files from my early days using slackware. but i could find scarce amounts of documentation on how and why redhat did certain things. I had to re-find half my config files, or the RH equivalents and no documentation to help understand them... hohum.
so i am looking forward to seeing an improvement in the maturity of RH realeses with 6.0, in respect to "end user" configuration tools, amongst many other things.
- armbothism
Muchas Thanks!
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Most mirrors are still trying to update... thanks for sharing!
I want my free hat :(
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ZUIT SUIT HAT! LOL
Welp I ordered it over the phone but dont know If I got a free hat or not. I ordered it monday as soon as I heard about this new release.
but, it's not May 10.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Red Hat 6.0 supposed to be out on May the 10th? Is this the result of pressure from Caldera?
rpmfind
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dselect is not the only tool which has evolved. rpmfind is really pretty cool and seems to work well for me. It probably should be incorporated into glint or gnoRPM.
Debian... there are substitutes :)
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rpmfind --latest `rpm -qa` rpm --freshen *.rpm
will basically do the same thing on a Redhat box, look for the latest upgrades and upgrade them on-the-fly with dependancy checking.
There are of course other methods but I digress...
Another fast mirror
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I haven't even gotten around to building up an OpenLinux 2.2 box yet, and now this. Maybe I'll just wait two or three weeks for venders to make CDs before getting i. Or if I'm bored at work, I could download...
Does it matter whether to run 2.0.36 or 2.2.x? Don't think so, as long as 2.2 kernels keep getting released about every other day I'd stick with 2.0.. but hey, some may argue different;)
I find it quite amusing that......
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mjwise
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.....the day RedHat Linux 6.0 comes out is the same day I, a longtime RedHat user, switches to Debian 2.1.
Why update if your system is running good? Let us other guinea pigs try it out first and if it fills the bill and will give you significantly more than you have now then yeah... you might *consider* breaking your uptime consistancy.
i.e.: Don't upgrade yet!:))
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In search of... a shorter sig.
I have found a site that lists mirrors for red hat. I don't know about you but the list of sites at redhat's mirrors seem very busy. This list has many different mirror sites listed and I found one that flew through the download (ftp.real-time.com). The site listing those mirrors is http://www.multithread.co.uk/mirrors.html. Hope that helps for those of us that don't want to wait until the volume of downloads decreases
RPM 3.0 in RedHat 6: is Bug 236 fixed yet?
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coats
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It turns out that the RPM in the RH5.2 does not evaluate whether it has enough scratch disk-space to complete an upgrade before it blindly goes ahead. If it does not have enough scratch space in that partition, it can corrupt it badly. I reported this, and they designated the bug as #236 in their database. With their new bug-tracking software, I don't have a password to check the current status of this bug. Is it fixed in RPM3.0 yet ?? (There's no way I'm going to upgrade RH until it is fixed. I don't want to go through that again!
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In experiementing with problems with the Appletalk module in kernel 2.0.x, I tried to use RawHide 5.9 to get up to kernel 2.2 with the appropriate package modifications; however, the kerner RPM as shipped was larger than 640k, and nearly blew my 486 to chunks. Does anyone know if 6.0 kernel RPM is made safe for 486 or lower users?
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"I can see my house from here!" - ST:
Um, for some strange reason Red Hat blocks ICMP traffic at their firewall. Go to http://www.redhat.com, then ping www.redhat.com. If I remember correctly, they got tired of people contantly pinging their servers.
I hope this is a 64 bit machine because the 32bit ULONG max only represents 497 days... I should know I have a linux box here that's got 835 days but it only says 338 because it wraped back to 0 days!
-- Who is Seg Fault, and what is he doing with Kernel Space?
It's not all GPLed. Qt, for a start. Even if they use the new license. And Netscape for another. And anything using a BSD license. Free Software is not equivalent to the (L)GPL. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just pointing it out.
So, it looks like there is now at least a smp kernel that will ship and be an option. But, Red Hat enables a heck-of-a-lot in thier default kernels. The best bet is to get the kernel__src.rpm and compile it yourself, because only inabling what _you_ need will always increase your system preformance a bit. (sometimes only a little, but it's a lot on older systems, so, it's a catch 22... if you have a slow system, you need to compile it, and it will compile slow, if you have a fast system, you could compile it more quickly, but don't need to as much).
the ones that i can remember off the top of my head:
better SMP better scsi better sound support frame buffer console more filesystems drivers more drivers in general
a few other things too. the first two likely on't affect you much. the third might, but only if you previously had a marginally dupported or unsupported souncard. the fourth i have so far only seen useful for laptops and other odd video chipsets. the fifth includes true fat32 support, useful if you dual boot to '98 or a more recent win95. the sixth is the big difference, it covers not only the already mentioned sound, but also video capture cards and other not quite mainstream stuff.
plus if you have decent (and relatively sane) hardware, you will probably notice a performance increase as well
-- If I don't put anything here, will anyone recognize me anymore?
this is exactly why you should install beta software on machines you can safely reboot.
It isn't on the distribution CD
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planet_hoth
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ViaVoice isn't on the distribution CD. The press release says its going to be on the separate Applications CD. This is usually included in the boxed sets you see.
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Online chat with Bob Young on Monday afternoon
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planet_hoth
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Bob Young will be attending an online chat on Abc News's website (abcnews.com) today at 2:00PM EST(?). The URL they give is: http://chat.abcnews.go.com/chat/chat.dll?room =abc_bobyoung Just thought you might be interested, you can go ask him a bunch of questions about 6.0.
Choice of $40 2xCD for experts or $80 3xCD for new users
"Kickstart" installation scripts
Comes with a set of precompiled kernels, installer chooses the best one for your processor (perhaps it'll detect if you're installing off a SCSI CDROM this time?)
I would say you lucked out!
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jtseng
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I don't think I've ever had much luck with NT. My web servers crap out after three days. IIS dies after a single day. (I've got my boxes rebooting themselves once a morning.) But the suits wanted NT... They get a web site run with NT and I get to clean up the mess.
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Re: Copying RedHat 6.0 to a CD
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Jenz
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I think this is what you're looking for my friend:
AFAIK RPMFind _is_ incorporated into GnoRPM. I haven't fiddled with it much but it looks very slick. The only problem is that it often takes packages a few days to appear on the RPMFind website. I tend to find RPMs a lot faster searching for them on Lycos (FTP search).
As far as Glint goes...when you install GnoRPM it automatically removes Glint. Wave bye-bye to Glint...say hello to GnoRPM.
I'll have several more machines at UNC Chapel Hill mirroring the i386 structure by tomorrow afternoon.
Red Hat 6.0 i386 mirror (US east coast)
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crimsun
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Yeah, I just noticed that my "mirror" isn't 100% complete. I'm counting on MetaLab to get their act together and retrieve the entire Red Hat 6.0 distribution, tho', and then I'll be able to use my PC again. Thanks, Slashdotters, everyone!;-)
Cost of 6.0 (or, supporting GNOME)
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luge
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I bought 5.1 from RedHat because I think they do great things for the community, and because 39.95 really isn't a huge hit in the wallet for what is essentially a contribution to GNOME, Enlightenment, and some of the other cool stuff that comes out of RHAD Labs. I was planning on making a similar "contribution" for 6.0 and the assembled documentation.
Going to RedHat's pages, though, shows that the only packages currently available are $299 or more. No way can I afford that. So: (since I know some of you Redhat folks must be reading this): are there any plans for a cheaper copy of 6.0? Or are we all going to migrate to Cheapbytes, Debian, or FTP? I'd love to keep helping out, but this is ridiculous. ~luge (P.S. Since metalab actually gives me a faster data transfer rate than my CD-ROM, this is not just an idle threat...)
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On mirrors? I don't see it.
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Casshan
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I've tried nearly all the.com,.edu,.net, and.ca servers listed on redhat's mirror page, and all I see is redhat-5.2.
Download new redhat, make boot disks. Boot with disks, and it'll ask if you want to install new or upgrade an existing. (At least, that was the procedure for RH5.x and RH4.x.)
what on the CD the non GPL'd stuff ?? anyone
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Alan+Shutko
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If it's like RH5.2, there won't be any commercial software on it. A bunch of non-GPLed software, but all under various free licenses.
I find it quite amusing that......
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R3D
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i scrubbed Win98 the day it was officially released, i'd been using the final for a month too.
I got as far as 57 days before I wanted to upgrade kernels. I hated rebooting, it made me feel sick... I really have sympathy for you. Now I try to reboot my machine every 10-15 days so I don't get addicted to uptimes. I can bear rebooting a machine with 10 days, but 317?
On a lighter note, it really is time to upgrade if this is he machine you work on... I mean, a lot has happened in the last 317 days, kernel-wise.
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None of the mirrors seem to have it yet.
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cthonious
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I haven't tried but about five or six of them, though.
Is there a place where I can get an ISO image of the CD, like for Debian?
I don't know if it's in RH6.0, and I don't know what the diff is. I saw it posted on Linux Today and it seemed relevant, so I made the cross-post. Christopher A. Bohn
OK, I admit Slashdot is full of people who base their decisions on nothing. But I _still_ think RH is crappy. One: I've tried it, on numerous users' machines. It took a year and a half to reboot (since about everything was loaded, for some reason). Second: Users don't learn to do it right. Enter a Linux channel, and count how many of the clueless users are running RH. OK, that is because there are more Red Hat users, but that is only part of the figure. To me, it looks like it _is_ configurable, but users don't even know that they can do it (most don't even recompile their kernel).
Sounds like the netware 3.0 server here. 366 days uptime. It's been up longer than I've worked here. And in a sickly ironic turn of events, it's being taken down and replaced with nt in about a week.
Ugh. "Upgrade path" sounds so suitey and phbey, it makes me wince.
Sorry, bit it is an upgrade path... If you want, we could all call it "update way" or "The Road to Further Enlightenment" (which is oddly fitting, considering enlightenment is a package...)
Not to be taken seriously, BTW:)
-- Trust the Computer. The Computer is your friend.
That is a server that, currently, is just running rc5des. But it has been running a variety of databases, from Sybase to DB2 to Oracle to MySQL to PostgreSQL...
It is just a poor Pentium 90 with 64 megs of RAM. It swaps pretty hard some times but keeps going. I've even had to move/usr and/home around a few times because of disk space problems. No rebooting, though...
I have to use NT on my computer at work, and I think it is pretty stable, but the last straw for MS was when I installed IE5.0 beta and it rebooted my machine without asking. Not even a 'rebooting now... ok' dialog. How can they expect people to do serious server tasks with so much rebooting?
what on the CD the non GPL'd stuff ?? anyone
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coreman
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There was a press release yesterday that stated that ViaVoice from IBM had a beta on the 6.0 app CD
The best I've seen for an NT box is approx 11 weeks (78 days or so). This is a machine that gets almost no significant use by its owner. We finally were forced to down it because of some memory leaks (imagine that in a M$ product!).
Of course, without the recent patch Win95 could not stay up longer than ~42 days due to a rollover in the counter, but I never managed better than about two weeks with it (and boy, that machine was dragging by then...).
In contrast, I've managed 7-week uptimes with Linux on a box with a screwy IDE controller -- while NT could barely last a day on it. Linux works better even on broken hardware!
Using precompiled kernels from RPMs is usually risky at best. You end up with a kernel that has alot of stuff you don't need and lacks a few things that may be useful to you. I'd recommend downloading the kernel source and reading the documentation to find out what dependicies are needed if you don't already know. Those can be installed as RPMs just fine, and I'm pretty sure 5.9 has them all. Once you do that, compile the kernel yourself. It isn't difficult at all, just do the following from the directory you untarred it to: make menuconfig make dep ; make clean ; make bzImage You will then have a nice new kernel that you can move to your/boot directory and add into/etc/lilo.conf. As long as you only select what you need in menuconfig it should be just fine on your 486.
Yeah, and then you can watch Rob the linux shithead he is ignore all the articles that don't pertain to Linux. Notice the last *BSD post was not posted by him, and it was oh so nicely flamed too.
I am a long-time RedHat user who, while waiting for 6.0, ended up trying out Debian. Though it required a _tad_ more work to get up and running properly, I must say that I now have an incredible system. dselect and apt are wonderful, and allow me to add and remove software extremely easily. The days of searching the net for lone RPMs are gone; now, I simply add one line to/etc/apt/sources.list, fire up dselect or apt, and then use my new software (which, btw, has just been installed into my menu for KDE in X, automatically.)
If the mirrors are too busy, you might want to give Debian a try. I didn't think I'd be that impressed, but I was wrong; I dig it.
RedHat is still good. I am not saying it sucks; all flames to/dev/null. I just dig Debian, and felt the Debian team deserved a pat on the back.:) Good job, guys (and gals!)
Exactly the same thing happened to me. At first Debian seemed a handful, but once it's up and running, you've learned a bunch of new stuff and the administration is a whole lot easier. And, encouraged by my good experiences, I even let apt to upgrade my system to potato. All in all, Debian is much more elegant and clear in thing like naming conventions and file locations than RedHat. Debian packages are thoroughly tested (the downside is that they are not the most recent) before they make it to the distribution and it's well known for its security vs. RH's default open-doors-policies. And, of course, I can spare the money and download OFFICIAL CD images to burn them...
So Nice job, Debian!
PS. I do think the RH guys deserve some applause too.
Haven't you noticed how/. works? You can actually *submit* stories (there is a link on the left, ya see?)... So stop complaining and start participating.
Regards
belbo
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-- "Just believe everything I tell you, and it will all be very, very simple."
Cost of 6.0 (or, supporting GNOME)
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Caballero
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The press release says it'll cost between $40 and $80. (What's the difference? The included telephone support perhaps?)
Actually I've seen NT crash while sitting there, running nothing (many times). And the longest I've had my NT box was 20 days, and my Linux box has now been up well over 70 with no trouble.
Now when is Slackware 2.2.x due to ship?
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The+Fleck
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Slackware v4.0 which is in Beta 2 stage right now already has 2.2.6 built in. As well as a few more packages, a hella loada new stuff and many fixes. It will ship when it is ready. They are currently working on a GLIBC 2.1 release but who knows when that will happen.
If you want RedHat 6.0, I put it on my website, I have plenty of bandwith, (campuus network.) There is an iso image on there as well, so feel free to download.
ftp.vinnie.net/redhat-6.0
P.S. I'm located in Boston, for anyone in the northeast
where can I get RH 6.0 on CD?
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Skeezix
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I checked cheapbytes, linuxcentral, and linuxmall. Didn't see it available yet. Anyone know of a place where I can buy it on CD now? -------------------------------------------- -------- Jamin Philip Gray jgray@writeme.com http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~jpg2/
I found a page on redhat.com that claimed they were giving away red hats to the first 1000 people who ordered. The order links weren't working, though, and now I can't get at any of the interesting stuff as it seems to have gone away:(
No mention on redhat.com, except....
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Clockwork
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I find it extremely amusing how the RedHat website has no mention of 6.0, except in the list of/. headlines. Then again, they've never been very good about letting people know what's going on...
I had much the same problem (at least the Java one) with the Netscape that came with RH5.2. Erasing the installation by de-installing the RPM and then installing a fresh copy of the browser solved it.
Hope that helps ya!
Scott
Via Voice is on there?!?!?!?!?!
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Fizgig
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I suppose this means that I'll have to buy the $80 version or something, but still. Now, we can say, sort-of, that our OS comes with Voice Recognition and Windows doesn't! I thought you were lying at first. I checked the article.
[andrew@fizgig andrew]$ rpmfind --help rpmfind 1.0 : RPM packages search engine usage : rpmfind [flags] packagename [packagename...] Homepage: http://rufus.w3.org/linux/rpm2html/rpmfind.html Maintainer: Daniel Veillard Mailing-list: rpm2html@rufus.w3.org flags meaning -q or -v decrease or increase verbosity -p prefix prefix for the local RPM database -s server URL of the server to contact --lookup simple lookup (standard mode) --latest suggest upgrades for the package[s] --upgrade suggest upgrades for all dependencies --sources fetch the source RPM for the package --apropos do a lookup in the database for the keyword --[no]auto do [not] run in automatic mode
So, not quite like apt, but at least it's an option.
How to make bad taste go away?
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CAB
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I'd like to like KDE; it's nice and usually recommend it to newbees.
But somehow I have this bad taste in my mouth and strange, uncomfortable feeling in the back of my head thinking fo the license issues with Qt.
Can someone please explain to me how I can make this go away?
Best regards, Steen Suder
-- Best regards,
Steen Suder
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Via Voice is on there?!?!?!?!?!
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RyanGWU82
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When Red Hat released version 5.2, they were committed to removing all proprietary software from their distribution; hence the reason they wouldn't include KDE until the Qt license was changed. If they've included IBM Via Voice, does this go against their previous committment? Was Via Voice for Linux released Open Source? (I doubt it.) Or was it on the supplemental "proprietary applications" CD (like WordPerfect 7 and others in previous years)? If that's the case, I have no problem whatsoever.
I don't hate Red Hat! I'm a huge fan; I use it myself! And I'm NOT trying to start a distro war...:)
Ryan
News.com's got a good piece on it
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Ellis-D
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$80 price tag is going to ward of the newbies... "The pen is mighter than the sword... But what if you can't write?"
-- I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
None of the mirrors seem to have it yet.
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Traxxas
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The mirrors says it will have the iso tues night
I bought 5.0 and LSL/CheapBytes thereafter
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Larry_Dillon
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I bought the boxed set from RedHat the first time and have been getting the cheap CD's after that. I figure that RedHat is providing a service that I feel is valuable and they would like to be paid for their efforts -- no problem. But paying the full price every six months? I feel like I've paid my dues (the RedHat tax?). Especially considering RH's place in the OpenSource for-profit food chain. If everyone who used RH bought once, they'd be rolling in dough. Some famous Dead White Male once said that if you can will it as a universal it passes muster, so I think this is ethically OK
The longest we ever had an NT box stay up was just over 1.5 months, then it locked up for no reason at all. It wasn't doing anything either, just sitting there. Most of our NT machines have to be rebooted at least once a week, mostly every couple of days though.
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Insert new kernel while running???
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austad
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I heard something awhile back about a program you could run that would insert your new kernel while your machine was running so you wouldn't have to reboot. Anyone heard anything about this??
-- Need Free Juniper/NetScreen Support? JuniperForum
what on the CD the non GPL'd stuff ?? anyone
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MindStalker
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Accually 5.2 came in many different versions. Some like the SSL version for example came with... well SSL (which comes with the RSA encryption software which ISN'T free)
I use RPMFIND all the time gnoRPM...it works awesome. I do, however, keep getting "free list corrupt" messages--anybody know what that is?
what on the CD the non GPL'd stuff ?? anyone
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mike_g
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I think that he may have been refering to the app cd that comes with the official boxed set. It has some demo software and such. I think that it included wp 7 personal edition also.
Your're very lucky to have bought it 2 weeks ago, you've been up to date for 2 weeks... One of my friends just bought it today (since it is only available on ftp sites if i have correctly understood you will be up to date a few more days).
-- "The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy
way to factor large prime numbers."
Bill Gates,
Why don't you create a page with mirrors?
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JhAgA
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I think the most obvious thing to do is to create a single page with all the sites that are currently mirroring RH 6.0
Someone that have more time than me could receive the mirrors by email and make everybody happy:)
Ugh. "Upgrade path" sounds so suitey and phbey, it makes me wince.
Of course, all mission critical synergistically enhanced corporate package data mining and report generating suites need upgrade paths to facilitate corporate executive migrations.
I am currently downloading Redhat 6.0 from ftp.redhat.com. I am starting with the rpms. Everyone can get it my copy from ftp://ftp.okcforum.org/pub/linux/redhat-6.0/
Not sure what your information source is, but Red Hat Linux 6.0 is definitely not based on Starbuck 5.9.7. There were several more betas released prior to cutting 6.0. Obviously there were problems in the early betas . . . that is the whole point of a beta. Take a look at 6.0 for yourself before making statements about the quality of the release.
i found one directory on all the mirrors labelled "Redhat-6.0" but it was empty. methinks one has pulled the proverbial wool over cmdrtaco's all-seeing eyes.
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apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
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evin
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You mean you have to reboot to upgrade Redhat? Bah, I think I'll stick to Debian.
Wo! Do not get the Cheapbytes Starbuck 5.9 cd!! I got it, formatted my poor Slackware 4.0 beta drive, installed Starbuck, and well it was a mess, and I promptly went back to Slack. Let me just stay that evertime I clicked on anything (gnome) as root, the xserver would die-- and it would show an error stating that I (root) 'did not have access permisions'. It is so totally unstable beta, I would not recommend the Cheapbytes Starbuck cd for anyone! I assume they will have fixed it up on the mirrors, but the way it is on that cd...
Just choose upgrade when booting off the installation disks.
I've actually tried this, and imagine my surprise; It Worked:). (At least 5.0-5.2)
If you have a slow connection I'd suggest you get a CD from cheapbytes or something. While I do like to pay every now and then for a dist, I do tend to space it to once a year, not every few weeks:).
It ain't down, the maximum users at rawhide.redhat.com is 50.
ftp.redhat.com is for private redhat use only now.
Just wait a while, whould be a good thing in a bit. Order the CD from cheapbytes.com in a couple of days.
-- greg, REMEMBER ED CURRY!!!
No mention on redhat.com, except....
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Queuetwo
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Take a look at the very bottom of the page (just above the copyright) - where you would expect to fing *old* news, they have a link to the press release. You'd think they'd have put it at the *top*...
The following is an email reply from someone at RedHat concerning the new release:
Chris Esler wrote: > > I have redhat 5.2 already. But, I have seen on several ftp > sites of a new version called starbuck (5.9 I believe). I was wondering > if you are offering it on cd, as my 56k modem will not do justice for > the ftp install. > > Thanks
We expect to release our new version of Red Hat Linux sometime within the next 2 to 3 weeks. I suggest that you check our website every Monday morning for an official release announcement.
Now when is Slackware 2.2.x due to ship?
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slashed
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Anyone have any lead times on when Slackware based on the 2.2.x kernel and if they are going to incorporate the latest glibc now and other features? I know their web site has a "Change Log" but is there something with a "summary"?
The ftp sites are all seems down right now.
What a mess!
Is there an upgrade path to RH 6.0 from 5.2 or do I have to scrap everything and start from scratch?
thanks
Annonymous Newbie
I will bet 6.1 will be out in two weeks :-)
The version is based on StarBuck 5.9.7 version,
but as far as I know, that release was still
full of problems.
Yes, and all under the GPL. KDE is great also.
Those are different programs. the "RHmemeber" program is _not_ the standard Red Hat Linux operating system box. Look Carefully.
May 10th in stores
Your article would have been more informative if you told us what the difference was? Except for the version number?
Try using telemate and lynx to cut and paste stuff. It's not all that easy. With normal backscroll it's no problem, but lynx messes up backscroll. And don't tell me to use a real OS/browser.
Well I went through about 95% of the sites on www.redhat.com/mirrors.html and they are all at 5.2 and some starbuck. I'm sure that 6.0 was ready on friday so why don't they let the mirrors all get synced and then release it on monday. This would make more sense instead of trying to fight your way into ftp.redhat.com. And currently:
PING redhat.com (207.175.42.154): 56 data bytes
--- redhat.com ping statistics ---
20 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
This is slashdot where people make all kinds of idiotic remarks without any proof or research. This is where all kinds of products get bashed because people are too lazy to buy them or actually try them.
I've searched through them too without any luck, although I did see one that had the directory tree created for RedHat6.0, but no files.
Does anyone know if there is a publicly availible ISO anywhere for Redhat 6. I know mandrake does this for their distribution and it makes it much easier to make a bootable redhat cd.
yes... rufus is in the process of collecting the RedHat-6.0 directory
While Caldera has offered only a crippled version for download until now, SuSE is available on the net.
Just like RedHat, they're offering it on their ftp server (but mind you, it's REALLY big, unlike tiny RedHat).
Actually www.redhat.com was dead at the time too
libc?
C compiler?
GNOME?
kernel?
etc. does it have?
I'm hoping this is a glibc2.1 distro.
DG
I believe that May 10 is the day that the CD's-in-boxes will be available at your local Kompootr's-Am-Us. Obviously the software is finalized some time before the CD's are pressed and the boxes printed.
Is the layout of the RPMs still this beta stuff ...) /opt/gnome and /opt/kde /usr/gnome, /usr/kde, reloc packages, ...)
as for GNOME-1.0 or did they start a real clean
up? (look at the Group: entries of the RPMS -
What about GNOME/Libraries, GNOME/Utilities,
Do they still place everything anywhere on the
harddisk? (What about
or
Looks like another distributor has released a
new CD (Caldera 2.2, SuSE 6.1) - so we have to
do the same.
I'm using RedHat 5.1. I askipped 5.2 because I'd heard it was mostly just improvements to the install. How does 6.0 differ from 5.x?
Thanks
Take care,
Jay O'Connor
joconnor@roadrunner.com
OK. Here's where I really show I'm outta touch.
What's the difference(s) between 2.2.x and 2.0.36. I'm using the 2.0.36 kernal and wasn't sure if I really needed to upgrade.
I'm running Linux on a single CPU box at home tha t I use mostly for programming (VisualWorks), web stuff, and MIDI programming. What does 2.2.x offer me?
Thanks
Take care,
Jay
I also was a redhat user...also SuSE and slackware. I ordered Debian slink and all i can say is WOW. I have never had a better setup. ALL my packages are up to date and current no dependency problems, as easy as apt-get upgrade every day maybe 2 times a day and packages are updated. I would reccomend debian to every linux user.. Of course i am not mentioning any other great points of the Distrib but thats cause i'm on my 15 min break hehe
I am just so happy with it compared to other distribs i have used i always feel the need to share. Give debian a try.
Given your load, the uptime is nothing to brag about. Even Windows is fairly stable if you don't try to do anything with it. Get back to us when procinfo reports your idle time at under 10%.
Try
rpm --rebuilddb
Where is a good list of mirror sites? (not just one particular site)
Maybe we should wait until 6.0 is actually released before we make assumptions about it. I heard that it will not be available until next month. Let us not speak to soon.
That'd be an at job, not a cron job. :)
Whoa it just came out this morning. The cd places still have to download it like everyone else and then burn it to thousands of cds. Even if you see it on cheapbytes or something, you wont get the cd for a week or two
Hey, your a poet and you didn't even know it. :) I'm confedent Redhat isn't going to release a trash product. They've been giving us great releases for a long time now. I expect the same out of RH 6.0.
P.S. Try out VMware, it is just about the coolest thing since RedHat 5.1.
Forgive my ignorance, but is there a bandwidth-friendly way of doing this? I have RedHat Linux 5.2/i386 and a 28.8 link... is there a list of the packages I need to download to upgrade, so that I don't have to download the entire RPMS directory?
Thank you in advance for your assistance!
apt-get dist-upgrade on debian
will upgrade everything in readiness for a new kernel, but you still have to reboot before it becomes active.
Linux, as a monolithic kernel, is not really designed for doing a brain transplant upon itself
+ keeping going.
however, as modules are used more and more, the
distinction between big and little kernels is becoming blurred. All that is needed is inter-module cooperative memory protection ( like WarpOS on the PPC-side of a "classic" Amiga 68k/ppc dual-processor card...now there's a weird system...) and for all intents and puroses, linux is a microkernel.
Some day in the future, we'll have a real-time, fully memory protected wonder OS. QNX is already pretty close, but it ain't open source, as such ( although most device drivers for it are, only the (really tiny) core kernel isn't). On the other hand, QNX is the core of the NG amiga, and everyone knows amigas were the coolest production computer ever.
Maybe the HURD will get there eventually, but the way linux kernel loadable modules are headed, linux might get there first - rtlinux uses kenrel modules as real-time tasks as it is, just need inter-module memory protection...
RH 6.0 is making its way from ftp land to my box even as we speak.
.debs for gnome? or is there a howto to compile gnome from source for debian? ( i know how to compile, i just want to know all of the depenencies and what the debian packages are that contain them)
To debian users - are there relatively new
thanks
-matt
They are having problems with their server that the mirror sites are downloading off so expect some delays. Yippie.
[root@cttr5 /]# uptime /]# uname -a
9:09pm up 549 days, 6:31, 12 users, load average: 1.03, 1.26, 1.24
[root@cttr5
HP-UX cttr5 B.10.20 A 9000/899 1608462391 two-user license
Well hey, I live in OKC also, wanna just burn me a copy and I'll give you a six pack? Interested, email me at geoflunky@geocities.com.
The reason things are installed in /usr is to conform with the linux filesystem standard. Distributions are not supposed to put anything in /opt- that's reserved for user/administrator-added software. Also there's not supposed to be any extra directories under the /usr heirarchy for various packages. There's nothing wrong with having gnome and kde installed like this-- its the unix way of doing things. if you dont like it use windows :P.
Debs of GNOME can be found at:
http://www.debian.org/~jim/debian-gtk-gnome
According to my "Linux Device Drivers" book, x86 linux uses a 100hz timer and an unsigned 32-bit int for jiffies, so the system will crash when jiffies wraps around after 497 days. Is this true? I expected better.
They said on the Alpha it uses a 1024hz timer and a 64-bit unsigned int, which will last about 571 million years.
sunsite.mff.cuni.cz is ready mirroring redhat-6.0, so if you are not to far away from it network-wise, you can give it a shot.
I'll just have to reply to this although my comments go out to all the NT bashers along this thread.
It is a testament to your incompentance that you can not configure and maintain a Windows NT machine to sustain itself.
I run a shop with 16 NT machines serving file/print/web/nfs/email. In fact, one NT machine alone runs file/print, nfs and GroupWise NT processes and has been running straight for 188 days (Since the last reboot - when I installed ArcServe 6.5). I can't remember the last time a server crashed.
Have I had an NT server cash on me. Sure, 3.51 did some strange things. 4.0 pre SP 3 was known to blue screen at the strangest times. I'd have to say though that it doesn't hang anymore than our UNIX servers. ie. 1 server every 6 months is about right (maybe less).
Why on earth are you using NT if it is so unstable? If you can't handle it, get rid of it or find someone who knows what to do. There are around 50,000 weekend warriors who could do a better job by the sounds of it.
SVGATextMode already accomplishes this (running setuid root, mind you) with older kernels.
I shall, as soon as i get around to upgrading my box =-)
I have tried about ten mirrors so far and only one had a 6.0 directory structure and the files weren't there yet. Just a teaser. I'm off to try a few more.
I guess it depends if you have a need for the most recently updated drivers. The drivers for my soundcard and nic are both being updated with each new release so I upgrade. Besides, it is fun!
Oh I get it, so anything rob doesn't personally post he must obviously be totally against, and also that hatred of his must somehow spread to the people who post in the message groups.. its all so clear now..
If you're like me and you only have a 56K connection, you'll probably have to make it a cron job for a while... :-)
Would it be so hard to RTFM2RPM? He did give a link.
Before you go bashing NT yet again, keep in mind that there are plenty of us (the majority) that have long uptimes with NT. The machine that I am using right now has a 65 day uptime, and the only reason it has only 65, is that there was a power outage then, and the machine does not have a UPS (yet....).
I have been using NT since version 3.1, and while I have seen my share of crashes, the vast majority of machines are *very* stable. I routinely see NT workstations and servers with >100 day uptimes.
Please, before you bash NT, get the facts straight.
there's nothing there but dirs.
nope.
still got empty directories.
in RPMS
base, and others...
the wait continues.
That's nice. Your comment will make me feel much better when I go to work tomorrow and reboot my NT box (which has slowed down to a crawl because it has only 80MB of RAM).
In fact, running Windows 98 is a far less painful experience than running NT, as far as it affects me, because Windows 98 boots faster when it crashes.
I agree that any box can acheive a long uptime running idle (last summer when I co-op'ed there was a computer running DOS that displayed a command prompt the entire time I worked there, no one touched it). And NT can achieve long uptimes doing one specific activity without configuration changes, but as soon as you have to change DNS server addresses or something you're toast unless you have special utilities to hot-configure the OS.
only found two working servers: unix.hensa.ac.uk and ftp.okcforum.org
both are sloooowww. can't connect to ftp.redhat.com. personally, I'm waiting for MIT to snag it, so I can suck it down the VBNS. I'll post an update when we get a mirror operational down here at Rice.
does glibc 2.1 work with staroffice 5 yet?
You seem to be the only one.
Tell me, O great one...
What must I do to keep my NT box up for longer than 2 weeks without slowing to a crawl? It's a workstation, running sp4, ie4, finite element analysis, frontier, matlab. and perl. + other random things. It's got 128mb of memory, p2-450, and dual scsi disks.
Well it's after 1:00 am Monday night or Tuesday morning depending on your point of view, and I finally snagged it! Talk about a slashdotted server.
I snagged the core for $39.95 That is an interesting price arrangement, $39.95 without support and two CD's. I certainley don't need to pay for support, heck, like a lot of slashdot readers, I could offer my own support. But now the price is higher for the first time users, $79.95 What do some of you think about this new price arrangement?
I'm kinda wondering if I'm just wasting my money. I mean, really, I could have just download any packages I wanted updated and recompiled a 2.2 kernel. It's not like I won't end-up doing that anyway, especially at the speed the 2.2 kernels are coming out at. They're coming out a little too quickly if you ask me, I mean, there is a difference between rapid exciting developments and "brown paper bags"
Still there is that curiosity, to see what Red Hat's done, if it really is something new and special. And when you consider downloading KDE 1.1 and so on, well, then it's nice to have the CD's.
And my last word, I'm curious about the IBM Via Voice, that's probably on the third CD of the expensive version though right? Darn.
One more last word, I think people should try to avoid getting into a distribution rut. Everybody should have two distributions. The first should be something like RedHat or Suse, and the second should be Debian or Slackware, but that's just my opinion. (and I know there are other excellent distros too)
mirror.clarkson.edu is up, problem is i am not sure if you can get to it from outside the domain? If you can I bet it is fast since it is on a T3 and is not yet listed on the mirror list....
some one reply if they get through / get rejected
i have not tried the mirror yet either some some one let me know if it works....
With a 28.8k link you are best of buying the CD. Just downloading the BASE packages is going to take you a day or two :) The base requirements (if you follow the documentation) are 50-100 megs of RPM packages.
where can i get this freebsd hgame i keep hearing about? is it gpl too?
What's this? A wise crack about NT? :)
.. Yes, my little RC5-Dual P200MMX NT Box running RC5 none stop for over 300 days .. :)
.. :)
Well, my NT box has been up and running for 300 days now without a re-boot, an average load of 100%
Perhaps, once or twice the CPU load wasn't at 100% because of a failure to get on the NET for more blocks
Will there be a cheap, CDs-only "variety pack"
(Intel, Sparc, Alpha) release of RedHat 6.0?
I bought the boxed set of RedHat 5.0 when I first
tried Linux, then the RedHat 5.1 Powertools set. I was pretty peeved when they split Powertools up with 5.2 (and effectively charged more for the equivalent products) so skipped it.
The cheapest RedHat 6.0 product announced is "Core" which is 2 CDs (presumably one platform, but doesn't say which or give you a choice) and the manual. I just want the CDs! If it's going to cost an arm and a leg to get RedHat 6.0 for more than one platform, I'll stick to downloading.
dag nabbbit, large chunks are still EMPTY.
i could get in, but not that much point, eh?
Oh shucks .. I guess he isn't the only one .. I have my NT box up and running stable period. The only time I need to reboot is on upgrades. Current statistics:
.. ..
System Idle Process: 0:18.36
IEXPLORE.EXE : 1:20.32
LITESTEP.EXE : 0:23.01
RC5DESG.EXE : 4982:33.12
ICQ.EXE : 23:01.49
BPFTP.EXE : 0:32.12
BPFTP.EXE : 0:49.18
WINAMP.EXE : 0:04.10
CONTROL.EXE : 0:23.23 (DK Defragmenter)
I'll reboot soon
But only because I want to try OS/2 Warp 5 (Aurora)
:: Wanna know why I stoped using OS/2?
:: Not 'cause it sucked, but 'cause IBM sucks!
--
Esoteric
mirror.clarkson.edu is up and I can acccess it.
But does it have RH-6.0? No. Not as of 2:15AM
CST. Mostly just directories.
- avoid the new rpm (2.9.x)
- recompile utempter from the src.rpm
Everything works fineIts missing files also. images directory is :) among other things.
empty as can be.
As of 2:50AM CST.
So I fire up ncftp and get -C -R i386 in the
redhat-6.0 directory on mirrors. My downloads
fail left and right and I jump mirrors. In the
end I am left with a downloaded directory that I
think is complete. The 'ls-lR' file in the i386
directory lists all the files that I should
theoratically have. But I cant run a diff against
my own result of ls -lR on that directory. The
timestamps are different, so every line shows up
in the diff. Any ideas?
Since where engaged in yet another OS war,... ;)
:) ,..not even when exiting the console to the gui or vise versa as windows does...
:)
well ive been using w95 in the past, use Linux now and at my work I use NT.
First I thought that w95 was games, NT was stability and Linux wasnt comparable
Anyway about 95 and NT , w95 did crash a lot, but believing my friends using NT, NT was the place for stability...so now at my work i can only write down the fact that this week i have rebooted
for 10 times (NT4 sp4) thats an average of 5 times in an 8 hour workday,...*that* is stable?
nah...then i look at my Linux box (suse 6.0)and i know that *that is stable!* it reboots only when i tell it to
But to my relief,...the day is closer and closer that i fdisk my w95 disk and make it a Linux native disk
Thanks to Loki and Activision and offcourse ID Software! (yep games the only reason for the w95 disk)
This place is constantly updated. I check there every few days and can find -most- RPMs there. Works pretty well.
Chris
http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/
This place is constantly updated. I check there every few days and can find -most- RPMs there. Works pretty well.
Chris
Same for me, i was waiting for a new redhat but i was sold out at my local store but they had SuSE 6.0 so i thought lets give that a try,...and it rocks! yast is very handy, the software package is very complete (only needed to download some themes and dockapps).
Another cool thing with SuSE is the big range of 'new' hardware support.
Actually i plan to buy SuSE 6.1 2.2 kernel instead of another redHat, am curious for trying out Slackware and Debian tho.
Anyone knows the big differences between them?
(SuSE, Debian, Slack)
And Stampede? anyone having used that?
Every mirror I've checked has a bad:
/tmp/pcmcia/lib/modules/preferred/pcmcia/ds.o /tmp/pcmcia/lib/modules/preferred/pcmcia/i82365.o /tmp/pcmcia/lib/modules/preferred/pcmcia/pcmcia_co re.o /tmp/pcmcia/lib/modules/preferred/pcmcia/tcic.o
redhat-6.0/i386/RedHat/instimage/modules directory
These symlinks are the problem.....
ds.o ->
i82365.o ->
pcmcia_core.o ->
tcic.o ->
According to the mirror admins, that is how they are on ftp.redhat.com
(although I've been unable to confirm).
Can this be fixed?
(I've emailed ftpadmin@redhat.com)
see subject
firstly, who reboots their linux box with any frequency *grin*
we all know why RH comes in a MONOLOTHIC configuration and we should thank RH for it. It means that linux, on average, works out of the box for Joe User. and we have an increase in popularity of the linux system which has so far only benifited us.
and still it does not boot any slower than what most users are used to (win95-98 shudder.) once they have dipped their toes in they can play around with the internals if they wish. But RH is popularising a new class of linux User. They are not so much in the linux game for the sake of kernel technology, they are using linux, because it plays quake faster, runs more netscape windows without chunking the poota and has a web server and ftp thrown in
So they are not that keen on the configuration side. unless they have a reason to.
I personally found redhat "hard" to configure due to the imature state of its configuration tools. (setting up ppp the first time using chap, the control panel not working and having to go looking for the config files. then seeing the state of the config file for example)
i was used to getting my hands dirty with config files from my early days using slackware. but i could find scarce amounts of documentation on how and why redhat did certain things. I had to re-find half my config files, or the RH equivalents and no documentation to help understand them... hohum.
so i am looking forward to seeing an improvement in the maturity of RH realeses with 6.0, in respect to "end user" configuration tools, amongst many other things.
- armbothism
Most mirrors are still trying to update... thanks for sharing!
ZUIT SUIT HAT!
LOL
Welp I ordered it over the phone but dont know If I got a free hat or not. I ordered it monday as soon as I heard about this new release.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Red Hat 6.0 supposed to be out on May the 10th? Is this the result of pressure from Caldera?
dselect is not the only tool which has evolved. rpmfind is really pretty cool and seems to work well for me. It probably should be incorporated into glint or gnoRPM.
rpmfind --latest `rpm -qa`
rpm --freshen *.rpm
will basically do the same thing on a Redhat box, look for the latest upgrades and upgrade them on-the-fly with dependancy checking.
There are of course other methods but I digress...
ftp://ftp.inconnect.com/pub/unix/linux/redhat-6.0/
At least some significant *BSD stuff does get reported. Do you have anything particular in mind that wasn't mentioned here?
I haven't even gotten around to building up an OpenLinux 2.2 box yet, and now this. Maybe I'll just wait two or three weeks for venders to make CDs before getting i. Or if I'm bored at work, I could download...
Yikes! 'tis barely creeping along now.. Oh well, I can leave it run overnight ;-)
/mnt/isoimage -o loop
BTW, anyone know if you can you mount an iso image as a loopback device (just for peeking around?)
mount -t iso9660 image.iso
??
Does it matter whether to run 2.0.36 or 2.2.x? Don't think so, as long as 2.2 kernels keep getting released about every other day I'd stick with 2.0.. but hey, some may argue different ;)
.....the day RedHat Linux 6.0 comes out is the same day I, a longtime RedHat user, switches to Debian 2.1.
Yes it will be in the Oct/Nov timeframe based on their release dates for the last 4-5 versions!
Ok, i'm game. Starting it right now. I'll troll the slashdot page for any mirrors there, verify them, and post a link shortly
probably http://donut.tho.org/mirrors.html
http://donut.tho.org/mirrors.html is up
http://donut.tho.org/redhat-6.0 or A HREF="ftp://donut.tho.org/pub/redhat-6.0/
You *could* post the URL to your reply.
Why update if your system is running good? Let us other guinea pigs try it out first and if it fills the bill and will give you significantly more than you have now then yeah... you might *consider* breaking your uptime consistancy.
:))
i.e.: Don't upgrade yet!
Codifex Maximus ~ In search of... a shorter sig.
Did RPM 3.0 make it into this new release of Red Hat? I could look for myself if some of the mirrors actually worked...
Sig (appended to the end of comments you post, 120 chars)
Currently updating my mirror at: ftp://ftp.snoopy.net/pub/mirrors/redhat/redhat-6.0 Give it a bit to complete. 60 user limit.
Posted by Akira410:
:o)
:o)
Rofl, that was slightly harsh
Quote from the guy that tries to administrate the NT box here:
"Wow, it had 200 file request this weekend... man! Its been up for a week and a half.. better reboot"
heh.. as you can see we havent put the NT box into play... I doubt we will... Linux is doing just great. That box is a toy
Posted by pierre kwyjibo:
6 0.html shows a brief overview of whats new.
http://www.redhat.com/corp/press/current_redhat
Posted by MazMart:
It's nice to see that they finally included KDE. It's way better than Gnome, so thanx Red Hat!
Posted by gbritton:
iso image and i386 subtree are here:
ftp://light-brigade.mit.edu/pub/redhat- 6.0/
http://light-brigade.mit.edu/redhat-6.0/
Posted by cicijay:
I have found a site that lists mirrors for red hat. I don't know about you but the list of sites at redhat's mirrors seem very busy. This list has many different mirror sites listed and I found one that flew through the download (ftp.real-time.com). The site listing those mirrors is http://www.multithread.co.uk/mirrors.html. Hope that helps for those of us that don't want to wait until the volume of downloads decreases
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangster Of Love:
http://www.redhat.com/mirrors.html
Has all the mirrors that are officially known to redhat.
LK
Mirror anyone?
Upgrade of course. Looks like you haven't switched to 2.2 yet... besides, who cares how long a box can stay up with a load average of 0.00?
Hell, NT could do that.
Remember that what's inside of you doesn't matter because nobody can see it.
Upgrade to 6.0, or keep the uptime?:
12:31pm up 319 days, 0:40, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
"My opinions are my own, and I've got *lots* of them!"
If the 6.0 release follows the rawhide beta stuff then the following applies
glibc2.1
kernel-2.2.5 or if we are lucky 2.2.6
egcs-1.1.2
GNOME libs 1.0.8
GNOME core 1.0.5
it'll probably have RPM 3.0 as well, even though it was only released today...
Don't quote me but that's a pretty good guess
In experiementing with problems
with the Appletalk module in kernel 2.0.x,
I tried to use RawHide 5.9 to get up to kernel
2.2 with the appropriate package modifications;
however, the kerner RPM as shipped was larger
than 640k, and nearly blew my 486 to chunks.
Does anyone know if 6.0 kernel RPM is made
safe for 486 or lower users?
"Pinky, you've left the lens cap of your mind on again." - P&TB
"I can see my house from here!" - ST:
Um, for some strange reason Red Hat blocks ICMP traffic at their firewall. Go to http://www.redhat.com, then ping www.redhat.com. If I remember correctly, they got tired of people contantly pinging their servers.
I hope this is a 64 bit machine because the 32bit ULONG max only represents 497 days... I should know I have a linux box here that's got 835 days but it only says 338 because it wraped back to 0 days!
Who is Seg Fault, and what is he doing with Kernel Space?
No. I f you can't be bothered to re-write it (or even copy & paste it), then I can't be bothered to go look for it.
axolotl
No. If you can't be bothered to re-write it (or even copy & paste it), then I can't be bothered to go look for it.
axolotl
It's not all GPLed. Qt, for a start. Even if they use the new license. And Netscape for another. And anything using a BSD license. Free Software is not equivalent to the (L)GPL. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just pointing it out.
axolotl
Not to repeat myself, see my comments on the RedHat/ZDNet artical about Red Hat 6.0 prices? :-/
kernel-2.2.3-5.i386.rpm 3266 Kb Mon Mar 15 20:14:00 1999 kernel-2.2.5-4.i386.rpm 4439 Kb Tue Apr 6 18:50:00 1999 kernel-2.2.5-4.i586.rpm 4356 Kb Tue Apr 6 19:27:00 1999 kernel-2.2.5-4.i686.rpm 4355 Kb Tue Apr 6 20:04:00 1999 kernel-BOOT-2.2.3-5.i386.rpm 2546 Kb Mon Mar 15 20:14:00 1999 kernel-BOOT-2.2.5-4.i386.rpm 2757 Kb Tue Apr 6 18:51:00 1999 kernel-doc-2.2.3-5.i386.rpm 762 Kb Mon Mar 15 20:14:00 1999 kernel-doc-2.2.5-4.i386.rpm 766 Kb Tue Apr 6 18:50:00 1999 kernel-headers-2.2.3-5.i386.rpm 811 Kb Mon Mar 15 20:14:00 1999 kernel-headers-2.2.5-4.i386.rpm 829 Kb Tue Apr 6 18:50:00 1999 kernel-ibcs-2.2.3-5.i386.rpm 27 Kb Mon Mar 15 20:14:00 1999 kernel-pcmcia-cs-2.2.3-5.i386.rpm 184 Kb Mon Mar 15 20:14:00 1999 kernel-pcmcia-cs-2.2.5-4.i386.rpm 185 Kb Tue Apr 6 18:51:00 1999 kernel-smp-2.2.3-5.i386.rpm 3070 Kb Mon Mar 15 20:14:00 1999 kernel-smp-2.2.5-4.i386.rpm 4229 Kb Tue Apr 6 18:51:00 1999 kernel-smp-2.2.5-4.i586.rpm 4212 Kb Tue Apr 6 19:27:00 1999 kernel-smp-2.2.5-4.i686.rpm 4212 Kb Tue Apr 6 20:04:00 1999 kernel-source-2.2.3-5.i386.rpm 11065 Kb Mon Mar 15 20:14:00 1999 kernel-source-2.2.5-4.i386.rpm 11608 Kb Tue Apr 6 18:50:00 1999 kernelcfg-0.5-4.i386.rpm 17 Kb Thu Feb 25 16:47:00 1999 kernelcfg-0.5-5.i386.rpm 16 Kb Sun Mar 21 20:20:00 1999
So, it looks like there is now at least a smp kernel that will ship and be an option. But, Red Hat enables a heck-of-a-lot in thier default kernels. The best bet is to get the kernel__src.rpm and compile it yourself, because only inabling what _you_ need will always increase your system preformance a bit. (sometimes only a little, but it's a lot on older systems, so, it's a catch 22... if you have a slow system, you need to compile it, and it will compile slow, if you have a fast system, you could compile it more quickly, but don't need to as much).
RH 6.0 has Linux 2.2.x kernel, the released KDE, and a newer Gnome, better install/setup/config (they say), among the usual updates.
BTW, ping/ICMP is blocked to RedHat because of possible Denial of Service (DoS) problems in the past.
GRIN
A month and a half, eh?
You mean something like 47.5 days???
That's the Standard "NT Resource Flush Feature" at play.
;-)
Michael J. Ball
Open Source Who's Who
Michael J. Ball
Open Source Who's Who
http://support.lcg.org/Whoswho/ unix_guru@hotmail.com
the ones that i can remember off the top of my head:
better SMP
better scsi
better sound support
frame buffer console
more filesystems drivers
more drivers in general
a few other things too. the first two likely on't affect you much. the third might, but only if you previously had a marginally dupported or unsupported souncard. the fourth i have so far only seen useful for laptops and other odd video chipsets. the fifth includes true fat32 support, useful if you dual boot to '98 or a more recent win95. the sixth is the big difference, it covers not only the already mentioned sound, but also video capture cards and other not quite mainstream stuff.
plus if you have decent (and relatively sane) hardware, you will probably notice a performance increase as well
If I don't put anything here, will anyone recognize me anymore?
Redhat 6.0 contains the new 2.2.x kernel and also glibc2.1 both of these additions over the 5.x are extremely valuable to the desktop user.
:)
On another note 6.0 comes with GNOME and kde, and also x11amp.
Joseph.
If you want to get 5.9, you can get it from Cheapbytes for $1.99 (or wait a few weeks for the final release of 6.0)
For 5.2, there was the standard edition for $39.99, and the secure edition for $79.99.
The Secure edition included Apache SSL 128 bit encrypted version, and most likely Netscape 128bit encrypted.
this is exactly why you should install beta software on machines you can safely reboot.
ViaVoice isn't on the distribution CD. The press release says its going to be on the separate Applications CD. This is usually included in the boxed sets you see.
Bob Young will be attending an online chat onm =abc_bobyoung
Abc News's website (abcnews.com) today at 2:00PM
EST(?).
The URL they give is:
http://chat.abcnews.go.com/chat/chat.dll?roo
Just thought you might be interested, you can go ask
him a bunch of questions about 6.0.
frame buffer console is also nice for having better console options than boring 80x25.
-l
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Heh. See my previous post in the replies to ZD on Red Hat... :)
http://www.news.com/ News/Item/0,4,0-35646,00.html?st.ne.lh..ni
Main new features:
When are they going to be available.
CP
Can someone post a list of working mirrors?
CP
I don't think I've ever had much luck with NT. My web servers crap out after three days. IIS dies after a single day. (I've got my boxes rebooting themselves once a morning.) But the suits wanted NT... They get a web site run with NT and I get to clean up the mess.
Sanity.html - Error 404 not found
I think this is what you're looking for my friend:
/mini/RedHat-CD.html
Burning a RedHat CD mini-HOWTO:
http://linuxclubs.com/LDP/HOWTO
--
Fredrik Borg - http://jenz.cjb.net
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Fredrik Borg
Student at the Department of Informatics, University of Oslo
There will probably be one att ftp://linux.engr.uark.edu/pub/linux/ in a while, they have 5.2 ISO images.
. iso/ for us Swedes.
Also mirrored at ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/redhat
/El Niño
AFAIK RPMFind _is_ incorporated into GnoRPM. I haven't fiddled with it much but it looks very slick. The only problem is that it often takes packages a few days to appear on the RPMFind website. I tend to find RPMs a lot faster searching for them on Lycos (FTP search).
As far as Glint goes...when you install GnoRPM it automatically removes Glint. Wave bye-bye to Glint...say hello to GnoRPM.
What's the actual procedure? I'm assuming you simply download the new distribution and then install it over your old?
Or is there an actual upgrade method?
Lucky me, I just purchased 5.2 about 2 weeks ago. Haven't even installed it yet, but just in time to get out-dated.
*sigh*
my smug mug is on smugmug
Thanks!
"Eye halve a spelling chequer, It came with my pea sea, It plainly marques four my revue, Miss steaks eye kin knot sea"
RPM 3.0 *does* do disk space checking now.
--Donnie
Come grab it.
ftp://152.2.95.222/pub/redhat-6.0/
I'll have several more machines at UNC Chapel Hill mirroring the i386 structure by tomorrow afternoon.
Yeah, I just noticed that my "mirror" isn't 100% complete. I'm counting on MetaLab to get their act together and retrieve the entire Red Hat 6.0 distribution, tho', and then I'll be able to use my PC again. Thanks, Slashdotters, everyone! ;-)
I bought 5.1 from RedHat because I think they do great things for the community, and because 39.95 really isn't a huge hit in the wallet for what is essentially a contribution to GNOME, Enlightenment, and some of the other cool stuff that comes out of RHAD Labs. I was planning on making a similar "contribution" for 6.0 and the assembled documentation.
Going to RedHat's pages, though, shows that the only packages currently available are $299 or more. No way can I afford that. So: (since I know some of you Redhat folks must be reading this): are there any plans for a cheaper copy of 6.0? Or are we all going to migrate to Cheapbytes, Debian, or FTP? I'd love to keep helping out, but this is ridiculous.
~luge
(P.S. Since metalab actually gives me a faster data transfer rate than my CD-ROM, this is not just an idle threat...)
IAAL,BIANLY
I've tried nearly all the .com, .edu, .net, and .ca servers listed on redhat's mirror page, and all I see is redhat-5.2.
Download new redhat, make boot disks. Boot with disks, and it'll ask if you want to install new or upgrade an existing. (At least, that was the procedure for RH5.x and RH4.x.)
If it's like RH5.2, there won't be any commercial software on it. A bunch of non-GPLed software, but all under various free licenses.
i scrubbed Win98 the day it was officially released, i'd been using the final for a month too.
I got as far as 57 days before I wanted to upgrade kernels. I hated rebooting, it made me feel sick ... I really have sympathy for you. Now I try to reboot my machine every 10-15 days so I don't get addicted to uptimes. I can bear rebooting a machine with 10 days, but 317?
On a lighter note, it really is time to upgrade if this is he machine you work on ... I mean, a lot has happened in the last 317 days, kernel-wise.
support gun control: take guns from cops
I haven't tried but about five or six of them, though.
Is there a place where I can get an ISO image of the CD, like for Debian?
support gun control: take guns from cops
I don't know if it's in RH6.0, and I don't know what the diff is. I saw it posted on Linux Today and it seemed relevant, so I made the cross-post.
Christopher A. Bohn
cb
Oooh! What does this button do!?
RPM has been updated to verion 3.0, available here.
Christopher A. Bohn
cb
Oooh! What does this button do!?
OK, I admit Slashdot is full of people who base
their decisions on nothing. But I _still_ think
RH is crappy. One: I've tried it, on numerous
users' machines. It took a year and a half to
reboot (since about everything was loaded, for
some reason). Second: Users don't learn to do it
right. Enter a Linux channel, and count how many
of the clueless users are running RH. OK, that is because there are more Red Hat users, but that is only part of the figure. To me, it looks like it _is_ configurable, but users don't even know that they can do it (most don't even recompile their kernel).
/* Steinar */
(This comment is of course GPLed.)
not sure if thats the correct syntax, but mounting an iso is completely possible
---------------------------- DevNull - a discernible void in the province of Saskatchewan
looking for the cd image of the i386 arch. found it on mit, but its so slow as to be worthless
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Sounds like the netware 3.0 server here. 366 days uptime. It's been up longer than I've worked here. And in a sickly ironic turn of events, it's being taken down and replaced with nt in about a week.
Ugh. "Upgrade path" sounds so suitey and phbey, it makes me wince.
:)
Sorry, bit it is an upgrade path... If you want, we could all call it "update way" or "The Road to Further Enlightenment" (which is oddly fitting, considering enlightenment is a package...)
Not to be taken seriously, BTW
Trust the Computer. The Computer is your friend.
[dart]
6:54PM up 950 days, 23:01, 398 users, load averages: 51.01, 51.01, 52.00
=]
TEE HEE!
That is a server that, currently, is just running rc5des. But it has been running a variety of databases, from Sybase to DB2 to Oracle to MySQL to PostgreSQL...
It is just a poor Pentium 90 with 64 megs of RAM. It swaps pretty hard some times but keeps going. I've even had to move /usr and /home around a few times because of disk space problems. No rebooting, though...
I have to use NT on my computer at work, and I think it is pretty stable, but the last straw for MS was when I installed IE5.0 beta and it rebooted my machine without asking. Not even a 'rebooting now... ok' dialog. How can they expect people to do serious server tasks with so much rebooting?
There was a press release yesterday that stated that ViaVoice from IBM had a beta on the 6.0 app CD
Of course, without the recent patch Win95 could not stay up longer than ~42 days due to a rollover in the counter, but I never managed better than about two weeks with it (and boy, that machine was dragging by then...).
In contrast, I've managed 7-week uptimes with Linux on a box with a screwy IDE controller -- while NT could barely last a day on it. Linux works better even on broken hardware!
DFL
Never send a human to do a machine's job.
here's a link to the whole thing...a t-6.0/
ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/distributions/redhat/redh
Om Mani Padme Hum
doh!
ftp://unix.hensa.ac.uk/mirrors/ftp.redhat.com
thats a werking mirror
:)
Om Mani Padme Hum
Hi there, I have a few questions for those of you who have already installed RH 6.0:
I'm running the following:
Linux Mandrake 5.3 (RH 5.2)
- KDE 1.1 (1.1.1 realeased today, so I'll upgrade)
- GNOME 1.0.x (newest RPM's)
- Kernel 2.2.5
- Samba 2.0.3 (so smbmount works again...)
- LinuxConf 15r1
- Netscape 4.5
- Wine 990426
What components of RH 6.0 are newer than the above? And have all of the problems with glibc 2.1 been worked out?
Basically, would it be worth my time to upgrade, or should I wait for 6.1?
Thanks,
Ben
Using precompiled kernels from RPMs is usually risky at best. You end up with a kernel that has alot of stuff you don't need and lacks a few things that may be useful to you. I'd recommend downloading the kernel source and reading the documentation to find out what dependicies are needed if you don't already know. Those can be installed as RPMs just fine, and I'm pretty sure 5.9 has them all. Once you do that, compile the kernel yourself. It isn't difficult at all, just do the following from the directory you untarred it to: /boot directory and add into /etc/lilo.conf. As long as you only select what you need in menuconfig it should be just fine on your 486.
make menuconfig
make dep ; make clean ; make bzImage
You will then have a nice new kernel that you can move to your
Yeah, and then you can watch Rob the linux shithead he is ignore all the articles that don't pertain to Linux. Notice the last *BSD post was not posted by him, and it was oh so nicely flamed too.
The revolution will be mocked
This is NOT meant as a troll.
/etc/apt/sources.list, fire up dselect or apt, and then use my new software (which, btw, has just been installed into my menu for KDE in X, automatically.)
/dev/null. I just dig Debian, and felt the Debian team deserved a pat on the back. :) Good job, guys (and gals!)
I am a long-time RedHat user who, while waiting for 6.0, ended up trying out Debian. Though it required a _tad_ more work to get up and running properly, I must say that I now have an incredible system. dselect and apt are wonderful, and allow me to add and remove software extremely easily. The days of searching the net for lone RPMs are gone; now, I simply add one line to
If the mirrors are too busy, you might want to give Debian a try. I didn't think I'd be that impressed, but I was wrong; I dig it.
RedHat is still good. I am not saying it sucks; all flames to
I've always installed Linux(Slack, RH and Debian) over FTP, but now I have others that want to try linux. What exactly is on a Red Hat 6.0 CD?
What directories from the FTP do I need to copy to a CD to have a fully working CD?
Exactly the same thing happened to me. At first Debian seemed a handful, but once it's up and running, you've learned a bunch of new stuff and the administration is a whole lot easier. And, encouraged by my good experiences, I even let apt to upgrade my system to potato. All in all, Debian is much more elegant and clear in thing like naming conventions and file locations than RedHat. Debian packages are thoroughly tested (the downside is that they are not the most recent) before they make it to the distribution and it's well known for its security vs. RH's default open-doors-policies. And, of course, I can spare the money and download OFFICIAL CD images to burn them...
So Nice job, Debian!
PS. I do think the RH guys deserve some applause too.
-pepper
Hell, NT could do that.
No it couldn't.
Now it's been announced on /. - should add a few days extra onto the mirroring.
:-(
It only started syncing two hours ago on the local mirror.
Well said. Life on the bleeding edge is fun for some, but I've pretty recently discovered the beauty of slightly older but stabler software.
It just starts appearing at 5pm & I have to go home (I have a life unfortunately).
I suppose I could quickly setup a cron job to start sometime in the evening...
Haven't you noticed how /. works? You can actually *submit* stories (there is a link on the left, ya see?)... So stop complaining and start participating.
Regards
belbo
--
"Just believe everything I tell you, and it will all be very, very simple."
The $299 was the support program as I recall.
- |Daryll
Actually I've seen NT crash while sitting there, running nothing (many times). And the longest I've had my NT box was 20 days, and my Linux box has now been up well over 70 with no trouble.
Slackware v4.0 which is in Beta 2 stage right
now already has 2.2.6 built in. As well as
a few more packages, a hella loada new stuff
and many fixes. It will ship when it is ready.
They are currently working on a GLIBC 2.1
release but who knows when that will happen.
linuxnewbie.com
Your mirror is missing some directories. They're in the ls-lR file, though. That's reliable
Try the local Danish mirror - I'm downloading as we speak (write?)
My girlfriend told me I had a body like a God. Unfortunately I found out she's a buddhist.
Q: How does a Unix guru have sex? A: unzip;strip;touch;finger;mount;fsck;more;yes;umount;sleep
Since 5.9.7 won't even install or upgrade on an Alpha I guess 6.1 will be on its way soon.
does anyone know what is on the CDs not the GPL'd stuff
redhat are cool for letting you download all of the os unlike SUSE or Caldera because you just get tryouts and so on pooh
but I want to know what is on the CD I am going to buy !?
any flaws ??
john
If you want RedHat 6.0, I put it on my website, I have plenty of bandwith, (campuus network.) There is an iso image on there as well, so feel free to download.
ftp.vinnie.net/redhat-6.0
P.S. I'm located in Boston, for anyone in the northeast
I checked cheapbytes, linuxcentral, and linuxmall.- --------
Didn't see it available yet. Anyone know of a
place where I can buy it on CD now?
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Jamin Philip Gray
jgray@writeme.com
http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~jpg2/
Celebrate the finer things in life
I found a page on redhat.com that claimed they were giving away red hats to the first 1000 people who ordered. The order links weren't working, though, and now I can't get at any of the interesting stuff as it seems to have gone away :(
I find it extremely amusing how the RedHat website has no mention of 6.0, except in the list of /. headlines. Then again, they've never been very good about letting people know what's going on...
I had much the same problem (at least the Java one) with the Netscape that came with RH5.2. Erasing the installation by de-installing the RPM and then installing a fresh copy of the browser solved it.
Hope that helps ya!
Scott
I suppose this means that I'll have to buy the $80 version or something, but still. Now, we can say, sort-of, that our OS comes with Voice Recognition and Windows doesn't! I thought you were lying at first. I checked the article.
[andrew@fizgig andrew]$ rpmfind --help ...]
rpmfind 1.0 : RPM packages search engine
usage : rpmfind [flags] packagename [packagename
Homepage: http://rufus.w3.org/linux/rpm2html/rpmfind.html
Maintainer: Daniel Veillard
Mailing-list: rpm2html@rufus.w3.org
flags meaning
-q or -v decrease or increase verbosity
-p prefix prefix for the local RPM database
-s server URL of the server to contact
--lookup simple lookup (standard mode)
--latest suggest upgrades for the package[s]
--upgrade suggest upgrades for all dependencies
--sources fetch the source RPM for the package
--apropos do a lookup in the database for the keyword
--[no]auto do [not] run in automatic mode
So, not quite like apt, but at least it's an option.
http://www.redhat.com/mirrors.html
If you grab it could you then mirror it again? I will as soon as I can get it, but MIT is across the country and slow...
rufus.w3.org has some of the SRPMS...
Ouch, I suggest you upgrade the kernel at least.
You could wait until 6.1 however...
My machines are never really nearly in sync with RedHat. They're way too behind the times. I'm rolling my own RPMS all the damned time..
I'm starting to miss slackware.
--
-- Spankmeister General
Usually, the RH install program says
So, yes, there is an upgrade procedure.
Mike
--
Mike
--
"Wi nøt trei a høliday in Sweden this yër?"
Wow... now THAT made for a quick download.. *giggle*
Friends don't let friends buy Compaq's. (Dell/Gateway... same same) You want a good computer? Build it yourself.
Anyone has a comparision on apt vs rpmfind
Can rpmfind have multiple sources as apt?
With apt you can multiple local directores, cdroms, ftp, http... as sources.
(This is because cryptography stuffs are on different servers. But it's really conviennient because I have large collection of locally built packages)
Is rpmfind limited to rufus as its source?
--
bg.
Bogus
Thanks! Leeching even as I write this ;)
"Klaatu, verada, necktie!" -Ash
I'd like to like KDE; it's nice and usually recommend it to newbees.
But somehow I have this bad taste in my mouth and strange, uncomfortable feeling in the back of my head thinking fo the license issues with Qt.
Can someone please explain to me how I can make this go away?
Best regards,
Steen Suder
Best regards,
Steen Suder
-- for email: send to
When Red Hat released version 5.2, they were committed to removing all proprietary software from their distribution; hence the reason they wouldn't include KDE until the Qt license was changed. If they've included IBM Via Voice, does this go against their previous committment? Was Via Voice for Linux released Open Source? (I doubt it.) Or was it on the supplemental "proprietary applications" CD (like WordPerfect 7 and others in previous years)? If that's the case, I have no problem whatsoever.
:)
I don't hate Red Hat! I'm a huge fan; I use it myself! And I'm NOT trying to start a distro war...
Ryan
$80 price tag is going to ward of the newbies...
"The pen is mighter than the sword... But what if you can't write?"
I ate my tag line.
-=Ellis (D)25=-
The mirrors says it will have the iso tues night
I bought the boxed set from RedHat the first time and have been getting the cheap CD's after that.
I figure that RedHat is providing a service that I feel is valuable and they would like to be paid for their efforts -- no problem. But paying the full price every six months? I feel like I've paid my dues (the RedHat tax?). Especially considering RH's place in the OpenSource for-profit food chain.
If everyone who used RH bought once, they'd be rolling in dough.
Some famous Dead White Male once said that if you can will it as a universal it passes muster, so I think this is ethically OK
Competition Good, Monopoly Bad.
The longest we ever had an NT box stay up was just over 1.5 months, then it locked up for no reason at all. It wasn't doing anything either, just sitting there. Most of our NT machines have to be rebooted at least once a week, mostly every couple of days though.
Need Free Juniper/NetScreen Support? JuniperForum
I heard something awhile back about a program you could run that would insert your new kernel while your machine was running so you wouldn't have to reboot. Anyone heard anything about this??
Need Free Juniper/NetScreen Support? JuniperForum
Accually 5.2 came in many different versions. Some like the SSL version for example came with... well SSL (which comes with the RSA encryption software which ISN'T free)
I use RPMFIND all the time gnoRPM...it works awesome. I do, however, keep getting "free list corrupt" messages--anybody know what that is?
I think that he may have been refering to the app cd that comes with the official boxed set. It has some demo software and such. I think that it included wp 7 personal edition also.
Your're very lucky to have bought it 2 weeks ago, you've been up to date for 2 weeks... One of my friends just bought it today (since it is only available on ftp sites if i have correctly understood you will be up to date a few more days).
"The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers." Bill Gates,
I think the most obvious thing to do is to create a single page with all the sites that are currently mirroring RH 6.0
:)
Someone that have more time than me could receive the mirrors by email and make everybody happy
Ok, submit your new mirrors to zarlata@yahoo.com
the page is located at:
http://members.tripod.com/rhmirrors
http://members.tripod.com/rhmirrors
Redhat 6.0 is based on kernel 2.2.x, RedHat 5.x are (were?) based on 2.0.x.
I smothfully upgraded Redhat 5.1 to 5.2 "on-the-fly", and my machine still isn't rebooted. It has a constant load of 1.00 and an uptime of 145 days.
However, when it comes to RH 6.0, there is a problem. Perhaps YOU can do a switch from 2.0.x to 2.2.x without rebooting; I sure can't... =P
GNU/Linux. The Freshmaker.
Ugh. "Upgrade path" sounds so suitey and phbey, it makes me wince.
Of course, all mission critical synergistically enhanced corporate package data mining and report generating suites need upgrade paths to facilitate corporate executive migrations.
You're a suburbanite.
Thanks man, kick ass. Especially the ISO part, saves me a lot of time. ;)
Try ftp.cse.buffalo.edu
I just pulled it down off there very quickly, over 200k/s on my crappy @home cable.
ftp://ftp.okcforum.org/pub/linux/redhat-6.0/ has most of the binary rpms, so too be all. I believe it is faster than MIT.
Havoc Penington, the bane of my Linux desktop.
I am currently downloading Redhat 6.0 from
ftp.redhat.com. I am starting with the rpms. Everyone can get it my copy
from ftp://ftp.okcforum.org/pub/linux/redhat-6.0/
Havoc Penington, the bane of my Linux desktop.
damnit.. what about freebsd reporting. people actually do use it.
just curious...
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ping -f 255.255.255.255 # if only
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Not sure what your information source is, but Red Hat Linux 6.0 is definitely not based on Starbuck 5.9.7. There were several more betas released prior to cutting 6.0. Obviously there were problems in the early betas . . . that is the whole point of a beta. Take a look at 6.0 for yourself before making statements about the quality of the release.
i found one directory on all the mirrors labelled "Redhat-6.0" but it was empty.
methinks one has pulled the proverbial wool over cmdrtaco's all-seeing eyes.
strange things are afoot at the Circle K...
You mean you have to reboot to upgrade Redhat? Bah, I think I'll stick to Debian.
Wo! Do not get the Cheapbytes Starbuck 5.9 cd!! I got it, formatted my poor Slackware 4.0 beta drive, installed Starbuck, and well it was a mess, and I promptly went back to Slack. Let me just stay that evertime I clicked on anything (gnome) as root, the xserver would die-- and it would show an error stating that I (root) 'did not have access permisions'. It is so totally unstable beta, I would not recommend the Cheapbytes Starbuck cd for anyone! I assume they will have fixed it up on the mirrors, but the way it is on that cd...
Just choose upgrade when booting off the installation disks.
:). (At least 5.0-5.2)
:).
I've actually tried this, and imagine my surprise; It Worked
If you have a slow connection I'd suggest you get a CD from cheapbytes or something. While I do like to pay every now and then for a dist, I do tend to space it to once a year, not every few weeks
Any takers on how long it takes Redhat to release 6.1?
Say, is there an RPM for that? Heehee
By the way, "Linus Torvalds, the founder of Linux, will be chatting with ABCNEWS.com readers on Wednesday, May 5!"
It ain't down, the maximum users at rawhide.redhat.com is 50.
ftp.redhat.com is for private redhat use only now.
Just wait a while, whould be a good thing in a bit. Order the CD from cheapbytes.com in a couple of days.
greg, REMEMBER ED CURRY!!!
Take a look at the very bottom of the page (just above the copyright) - where you would expect to fing *old* news, they have a link to the press release. You'd think they'd have put it at the *top*...
Little, Yellow, Different.
It seems that the RH6.0 netscape has some problems: /usr/bin/netscape set the HOMEPAGE to some non-existing path.
1) the
2) Java just crash the browser.
I think you just volunteered yourself. C'mon... it's for the good of all.. work and personal hygeine come later..
Mind formatting it a little prettier?
www.lsl.com is taking pre-orders for "free" CDs
(read "free" as slightly inflated shipping and handling USPS priority = $7.79)
I have tried several mirrors and haven't found Rad Hat 6.0. I guess someone fooled us...
Red Hat 6.0 should upgrade very cleanly over 5.2, if it works anything like most previous versions of Red Hat.
The following is an email reply from someone at RedHat concerning the new release:
Chris Esler wrote:
>
> I have redhat 5.2 already. But, I have seen on several ftp
> sites of a new version called starbuck (5.9 I believe). I was wondering
> if you are offering it on cd, as my 56k modem will not do justice for
> the ftp install.
>
> Thanks
We expect to release our new version of Red Hat Linux sometime within
the next 2 to 3 weeks. I suggest that you check our website every
Monday morning for an official release announcement.
Best Regards
Alice
ya man wheres the meat with the potatoes???
Anyone have any lead times on when Slackware based on the 2.2.x kernel and if they are going to incorporate the latest glibc now and other features? I know their web site has a "Change Log" but is there something with a "summary"?