well, im assuming that you've never admined any sort of critical networks. you say they "they wasted their time tracking this child down when the provider could have easily restored the page" erm....if you have something like your front page defaced, ah...how do i put this, you're *stupid* if you don't go hunting around the system for other things that might have been comprimised. sure, restoring a web page would be *trivial*. but that's not all that they were doing. I can garuntee you that. when you've been (cr|h)acked, "you can no longer really trust any file on the system b/c the data you have isn't good enough to determine which files have been altered." (Essential System Adminstration, AElien Frisch)...when you don't know what's good and what's bad, you're only *real* option is to re-install the system (i doubt they were running corel linux w/ it's 7 minut install time) and prey you have some decent backups that you trust. besides, this is more than just "some kid rooting a web server", this is cyber-terrorism. flat-out. that's the sort of shit that will put you back for a LONG time. breaking www.some-dumb-isp.net is a LOT different than breaking www.whitehose.gov, just like killing a cop is a lot different than killing your nosey neighbor.
my housemate just tried to upgrade the os on his palm IIIx and managed to completely destroy the little thing. poor little pilot. last i saw him he was on the phone w/ 3-com trying to get a new palm pilot...
i think i saw these things a while ago. didn't news.com do a story on them? their sposed to be able to with-stand fires (the screens are fairly easy to replace, right?) gunshots, car-crashes, scalding coffee (though my crotch can't yet, gotta work on that), etc. etc. etc. i think lots - o - cops have these things in their cars... pretty fun to see again though..
that's the point of a sys-admin though. they exist for the very reason that they know (or learn) the things that the every-day joe-shmoe user's don't have to (or don't want to). there is _no_ way in hell that I could adequately explain to my father the inherent risk in network neighborhood. and if his hard-dirve gets hosed once ( or hell, even some cheesy, non-essential file) than some one damn well better be able to explain to him why he had been expected to know these things. if someone at the cable company wants to come out and sit down w/ my dadm and explain how everything works, and why this is a bad idea, and that's a security risk, there's nothing we can do about that, etc. etc., then cool, they're taking responsibility for the service (and risks) they are providing. but until then, cable is _not_ the way to go.
i'm no psychologist, so you should really listen to some-one who really knows what they are talking about and skip my post, but i do knowt that there is a certain power in appropriating the names your oppressor applies to you and those like you. when you do this, you rob your oppressor of some bit of power. the terms geek and nerd are perfect examples of this. as everyone knows, at one point, being a "geek" or "nerd" wasn't a good thing. but w/ maturitry and a little thought, we (or those before us) realized that if we appropriated those terms, they couldn't be used to harm us. now we (or I) commonly refer to ourselves as geeks or nerds w/o a second thought. now I know that the word "nigger" is still a very hatefilled word, and still used to damage people, but it appears that in refering to each other in such a way, it's like your own private "fuck-you" to "the-man" who-ever (s)he may be. of course, I could be totally wrong, and it may be that in using this term, african-american's are only reinforcing deeply rooted stereotypes, I don't know, and I'm not in anything related to a position of knowledge on this subject. but like I said, I'm a computer geek, not a psychologist or sociologist.
btw, these opions are mine and are not those of the people who sign my paychecks..blah blah blah
I've seen the cops around here in rough old santa cruz california (where they have to deal with the small college parties and the occasional rowdy drunk) sporting FLIR's (forward looking infra-red) on the tops of their cars for a while now... I haven't seen any hand-held devices around, though I haven't been near any where-house shoot-outs in a while... -peter
I imagine that the max speed a roller coaster will be allowed to travel will more or less depend on the max speed that people can manage to stay secured on the ride, ie. if a person goes flying from their seat when this roller coaster hits a corner at 6 g's, then the roller coaster designers will make the next one only hit 5.9 g's.
I dunno, maybe it's just me, but it seems like I was born to late or something. reading their (jobs and gates) bios and seeing all that they did, and all that they accomplished (and no matter what side of the fence you lie on, you _have_ to admit that they did accomplish a lot. how many of you would've gone into computers when you did if window$ weren't there to help you through the baby steps...) it just makes me think that I'm stepping into a field that's drying up. seems like all of the _huge_ discoveries have been made, and all the major players have already been chosen. ya know? oh well, that's just my rant. thnks -peter
the article doesn't really go into this, so (with out trying to show off the fact that I was there) I will. according to linus, he was very un happy with the "pain" that people went through upgrading from 1.2-2.0 and then from 2.0-2.2 . he wants to avoid this as much as possible, (also stating that people shouldn't "have" to upgrade, but realizing the unmitagated joy in doing so). also, there was the time issue, something like 1.5 years from 1.2-2.0 and then like 2.5 years for the next jump. in the future, the plan as linus stated it, was to implement less "major" changes between code-freezes in order to get the newer stuff out there quicker. that's all.
don't make me shoot myself, george. have some pity on those of use who watch your movies and pay your salary... *whimper* i hate starting my day with rumors like this...
I may really be missing something, perhaps another netscape bug, but, it seems to me that something is _very_ wrong with slashdot on this afternoon...did I just mangage to slide in at a funny time? anyone else?
how do you say this and still look at yourself in the mirror everyday?????? the matrix (while being an excellent movie, and one of my instant all time favorites) was no starwars!
true, but you have to admit that even during his more "cheesy" lines (ie. "wow"), it almost seemed to work...I for one am happy with the choice of actors..
Slashdot Mirror
but i think you missed the part about
"just days away...."
that would imply that this story was sent in a few days ago...
well, im assuming that you've never admined any sort of critical networks.
you say they "they wasted their time tracking this child down when the provider could have easily restored the page"
erm....if you have something like your front page defaced, ah...how do i put this, you're *stupid* if you don't go hunting
around the system for other things that might have been comprimised.
sure, restoring a web page would be *trivial*. but that's not all that they were doing. I can garuntee you that.
when you've been (cr|h)acked, "you can no longer really trust any file on the system b/c the data you have isn't good
enough to determine which files have been altered." (Essential System Adminstration, AElien Frisch)...when you don't know
what's good and what's bad, you're only *real* option is to re-install the system (i doubt they were running corel linux w/ it's 7 minut install time)
and prey you have some decent backups that you trust.
besides, this is more than just "some kid rooting a web server", this is cyber-terrorism. flat-out.
that's the sort of shit that will put you back for a LONG time.
breaking www.some-dumb-isp.net is a LOT different than breaking www.whitehose.gov, just
like killing a cop is a lot different than killing your nosey neighbor.
anyway, just my $.02
-Peter
my housemate just tried to upgrade the os on his palm IIIx and managed to completely destroy the little thing. poor little pilot. last i saw him he was on the phone w/ 3-com trying to get a new palm pilot...
i think i saw these things a while ago. didn't news.com do a story on them? their sposed to be able to with-stand fires (the screens are fairly easy to replace, right?) gunshots, car-crashes, scalding coffee (though my crotch can't yet, gotta work on that), etc. etc. etc.
i think lots - o - cops have these things in their cars...
pretty fun to see again though..
I bet it won't get there in 30 minutes...
and?
that's the point of a sys-admin though. they exist for the very reason that they know (or learn) the things that the every-day joe-shmoe user's don't have to (or don't want to). there is _no_ way in hell that I could adequately explain to my father the inherent risk in network neighborhood. and if his hard-dirve gets hosed once ( or hell, even some cheesy, non-essential file) than some one damn well better be able to explain to him why he had been expected to know these things. if someone at the cable company wants to come out and sit down w/ my dadm and explain how everything works, and why this is a bad idea, and that's a security risk, there's nothing we can do about that, etc. etc., then cool, they're taking responsibility for the service (and risks) they are providing. but until then, cable is _not_ the way to go.
-Peter
i'm no psychologist, so you should really listen to some-one who really knows what they are talking about and skip my post, but i do knowt that there is a certain power in appropriating the names your oppressor applies to you and those like you. when you do this, you rob your oppressor of some bit of power. the terms geek and nerd are perfect examples of this. as everyone knows, at one point, being a "geek" or "nerd" wasn't a good thing. but w/ maturitry and a little thought, we (or those before us) realized that if we appropriated those terms, they couldn't be used to harm us. now we (or I) commonly refer to ourselves as geeks or nerds w/o a second thought.
now I know that the word "nigger" is still a very hatefilled word, and still used to damage people, but it appears that in refering to each other in such a way, it's like your own private "fuck-you" to "the-man" who-ever (s)he may be.
of course, I could be totally wrong, and it may be that in using this term, african-american's are only reinforcing deeply rooted stereotypes, I don't know, and I'm not in anything related to a position of knowledge on this subject.
but like I said, I'm a computer geek, not a psychologist or sociologist.
btw, these opions are mine and are not those of
the people who sign my paychecks..blah blah blah
-Peter
I've seen the cops around here in rough old santa cruz california (where they have to deal with the small college parties and the occasional rowdy drunk) sporting FLIR's (forward looking infra-red) on the tops of their cars for a while now...
I haven't seen any hand-held devices around, though I haven't been near any where-house shoot-outs in a while...
-peter
..they said military inteligence was an oxy-moron. (sp?)
I imagine that the max speed a roller coaster will be allowed to travel will more or less depend on the max speed that people can manage to stay secured on the ride,
ie. if a person goes flying from their seat when this roller coaster hits a corner at 6 g's, then the roller coaster designers will make the next one only hit 5.9 g's.
yeah it's dumb, but so what.
I dunno, maybe it's just me, but it seems like I was born to late or something. reading their (jobs and gates) bios and seeing all that they did, and all that they accomplished (and no matter what side of the fence you lie on, you _have_ to admit that they did accomplish a lot. how many of you would've gone into computers when you did if window$ weren't there to help you through the baby steps...) it just makes me think that I'm stepping into a field that's drying up. seems like all of the _huge_ discoveries have been made, and all the major players have already been chosen. ya know?
oh well, that's just my rant. thnks
-peter
the article doesn't really go into this, so (with out trying to show off the fact that I was there) I will.
according to linus, he was very un happy with the "pain" that people went through upgrading from 1.2-2.0 and then from 2.0-2.2 . he wants to avoid this as much as possible, (also stating that people shouldn't "have" to upgrade, but realizing the unmitagated joy in doing so). also, there was the time issue, something like 1.5 years from 1.2-2.0 and then like 2.5 years for the next jump.
in the future, the plan as linus stated it, was to implement less "major" changes between code-freezes in order to get the newer stuff out there quicker. that's all.
don't make me shoot myself, george. have some pity on those of use who watch your movies and pay your salary... *whimper*
i hate starting my day with rumors like this...
I may really be missing something, perhaps another netscape bug, but, it seems to me that something is _very_ wrong with slashdot on this afternoon...did I just mangage to slide in at a funny time? anyone else?
i don't see anything different, an I got one of those large bandwidth connections that I wanna soak up (say hello to DSL =^)
how do you say this and still look at yourself in the mirror everyday??????
the matrix (while being an excellent movie, and one of my instant all time favorites) was no starwars!
true, but you have to admit that even during his more "cheesy" lines (ie. "wow"), it almost seemed to work...I for one am happy with the choice of actors..