You know what this whole thing has gotten me to do? get off my lazy ass and figure out (for the most part) how to use gpg. I remember in the (awesome)book _cryptomnicon_ a part where some business man is saying, "didn't you get my email?" and some friend of the protaginist says, "I remember getting an email from someone claiming to be you, but I dont respond to any email that's not encrypted". Or some such like that.
So you know what I have to say to carnivore? screw it! screw it all! All of my emails are going to be signed,and _anything_remotely_senisitive_ will be encrypted with my 1024 bit key.
End of story.
I'm relatively new to this whole internet thing, but i'm wondering how this guy get's called "father of the internet", or at least which people see him as such...
I've been brought up under the impression that Jon Postel, RW Stevens, and CmdrTaco made up the 3 men who concieved the internet (the baby)...
now that's insightful. where on earth did you get that slogan?
bring something new to the discussion, please. It was getting interesting before you stepped in.
No.
This is the second comment I've responded to about this. The question isn't wether or not some distro is ready to have joe shmoe install it...Hell my dad is on his third windows box and he's never installed it! The question is wether or not linux is ready for the desktop. period.
I'm talking about getting a box pre-installed! my dad wouldn't know how to get any of those things working! I bought him a new video card and a flight sim for christmas, then I had to go and install everything because didn't know how to do it.
But windows is ready for the desktop, right? Why did I have to do that? Because, being "ready for the desktop" and being "ready for j. average user to add random hardware" are two different things.
My comment boiled down to this:
Everything is difficult when your new. But if you don't have preconceived notions of what things should be, then you can get over the difficulty very quickly.
end of story.
No, I didn't perform the setup. As I said, a friend of mine performed this experiment using another friend of his. My friend did the initial setup, but that doesn't really matter, does it. I'm not talking about the installation of the OS here. I'm talking about desktop usability. An in this arena, regardless of what ms or linus or anyone says, linux is ready for the desktop.
I recently witnessed this "sacred truth" become a myth after a friend of mine performed this experiment.
He gave an old laptop to a buddy of his who was in need of a computer. His friends previous experience with computers was limited to double clicking on a prodigy icon on his dads computer several years ago. "The computer is free", my buddy said, "on the condition that you keep the redhat 6.2 that I've installed on there."
At first he wasn't sure if he made a mistake imposing that condition on his gift as his phone was ringing off the hook ( "hey, how do I...?" ). But then, after a while, the phone stopped ringing. When the two of them eventually met up again, my friend left slack jawed as his buddy was talking about joining one of lugs he'd seen online after getting the internal modem working.
So you see, the point of this convoluted little story is that linux *is* ready for the desktop. Everything is new to everyone at some point so there's no reason that you wouldn't be able to stick a brand new linux box in front of some one who's never used a computer and tell them, "hey, this is what an os is supposed to look like. okay?". But see, that's what microsoft has managed to do with their billions of dollars for people all over the world. They've said, "this is an OS. This is what an OS does. If an OS doesn't do this, then it's *difficult*. If an OS doesn't do this, then it's not ready for the desktop."
But that's just crap. Everyone I've seen can and does learn how this OS works. You've got to get over your preconceived notions of what an OS is and go and find out for yourself. People are willing to learn. I've seen it.
I've never been a fan of doubleclick. Where I used to work, I had these rules set up on our router, till my boss told me that I wasn't in the business of blocking traffic.. This list is by no means complete, but it keeps doubleclick off my browser about 75% of the time.
#i hate doubleclick ipchains -A forward -d 204.253.104.95 -j REJECT ipchains -A forward -d 128.11.60.80 -j REJECT ipchains -A forward -d 204.178.112.170 -j REJECT ipchains -A forward -d 208.184.29.210 -j REJECT ipchains -A forward -d 208.32.211.230 -j REJECT ipchains -A forward -d 204.253.104.235 -j REJECT ipchains -A forward -d 209.249.231.10 -j REJECT ipchains -A forward -d 216.200.14.0/24 -j REJECT ipchains -A forward -d 204.184.29.90 -j REJECT ipchains -A forward -d 204.178.112.110 -j REJECT ipchains -A forward -d 208.184.29.25 -j REJECT ipchains -A forward -d 208.184.29.130 -j REJECT ipchains -A forward -d 209.67.38.101 -j REJECT ipchains -A forward -d 209.67.38.104 -j REJECT ipchains -A forward -d 209.249.231.50 -j REJECT ipchains -A forward -d 209.249.231.20 -j REJECT ipchains -A forward -d 199.95.208.99 -j REJECT
The cool thing about Engydra (that I'm suprised the original poster didn't mention) is that the development is entirely opensourced. It's sponsored by lutris. They make their money off support contracts for this thing. I've seen some demos of the product, mostly just using cell phone emulators (that I think they ship with enhydra, or they will very shortly), one java, and two win32's, so you can test all your wap apps before fully deploying them. There's also a sample app or two in there. go check them out .
If you actually look at the state of freedom in the US, you'll see that it's disappearing slowly, but (mostly) with the full consent (or simple apathy) of the majority
as much as I dislike the last ~20 minutes of the movie, Gladiator touched upon this really well. Distract the people with amusements (we all have enough of those), and you can take their freeedom from right under their noses, they'll never know...
I recieved this service (as I stated in my original post) after I had purchased a router. My boss took care of the sales part. Undoubtedly, sales and support are two different departments. I have taken place in some nightmare tech support calls with other companies (gotten a reputaion at work from them too)with some totally unresponsive techs. The guys in the cisco tech department just seem to want nothing more than to make sure I get my dollars worth from the equipment I just bought. No support contract was purchased. It was just me cold calling their support line.
I must say this about cisco, they have "the customer is always right" tatooed on every free part of their collective bodies. At work, we recently purchased a cisco 1605 router with built in csu/dsu. It was my job to setup and configure this router. The docs weren't as helpful as they could've been, so I put in a call to their tech support. After a lengthy conversation with some one there, I recived a fax with sample configurations, emails with specific technical docs attatched, and just tons of new information. When I finally hung up with the support tech, I checked my voice mail b/c someone had called while I was on the phone (almost an hour), only to find that it was another cisco tech. Apparently, while I was talking to the first tech, my ticket had been entered into the computer with a status of "pending". Seeing this still open ticket, the other tech wanted to make sure that I had recieved _all_ the information I needed to get their product up and running to my complete satisfaction! This is phenomenal(sp?). Not only do their techs want to stay on the phone with me until I'm completely satisfied (and bearing my "stupid" questions), but they also have techs who "patrol" for open tickets (freshly opened mind you, I was still on the phone with the tech that opened it) who call me to make sure I get everything I can. I'm no financial expert (taxes...? what are those?) but in my opinion, this company is worth _every_ damned penny of it's valuation.
oh yeah, just in case any of you were thinking of boycotting amazon, I think they just filed for a patent on boycotts. to protest amazon, just make your check out to:
another rediculous amazon patent, in the ammount of my $.02
This just in: Amazon patents the "computer user". In a bold move, Amazon (NSDQ: AMZN) recently recieved a patent for the computer user. While Amazon refused to return calls for comment, the press release stated "you can be darn sure that if any of our competitors think they can have free access to our users, they are only fooling themselves! har de har har!"
Other patents pending for amazon.com include: software hardware air
Just wondering about this: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-1558650.htm l?tag=st.ne.1002.thed.1007-200-1558650 what's the deal? you guys seem to be going for the lowest common denominator with this sort of thing. first it's the "one-click" technology, now it's affiliate programs? these are not things you people came up w/. you may have brilliant engineers driving the backend functionality of the site, but apparently it's the finance department that's driving the decision making process. Lord knows it's not the marketing department, as this sort of thing can only bring about bad publicity as the particulars of the lawsuits (and I'm sure there will be plenty) are made known. I'm guessing that some one figured out that the "digital computer" and the "moniter" (not to mention the "internet") were already patented, huh? Just a bit of food for thought, get back to me and let me know how this inspired you.
Me too. This dvd thing has really got me curious. The problem is that my coding skills are poor at best (no hacking kernel modules or dvd players for me) and I'm no lawyer (tho I can argue w/ the best of them). I've been looking for a way to fight the good fight if you will. I have sent some emails out to various companies (w/ minimal success of course), but this is the kind of thing that I'd like to get behind. So what I'm wondering is if anyone is already heading in this direction. Are there people to contact yet? who do I talk to??
While I'm disapointed that it appears that the russians aren't able to keep up their end of the bargain, one must remember the turmoil that said country is embroiled in right now (what w/ yelstin stepping down 6 months before the end of his term and all, forcing russia to commit the politcal equivalent of going over niagra falls in a barrell or something).
but what I don't understand is, I thought no one could "get smart"...wasn't there a tv show on for like 10 years (still running if you watch nic-at-night) about it? agent 86 and all ? what's the deal? =)
Ok, there's something about this whole dvd debate that's been confusing me for a little while. Everyone's pissed off at the mpaa and valenti and what-not, b/c they make the (admittly stupid & monoplistic & totalitarian & big-brotherish) laws which seem to prevent us linux users from playing dvd's which we bought and had to watch under the other platform (and no, that doesn't mean one of the bsd's). Along with that, he's also managed to get the idea behind the whole thing completely screwed up (i guess that's what happens when the most comfortable chair you own happens to be your shoulders..=)
But what I don't understand, the thing that confuses me is, don't companies buy licenses from the mpaa or whatever to produce dvd players? Isn't that how css was broken in the first place, by monitering the unecrypted activity of an xing dvd player? Well, assuming my prior assumptions haven't already made an ass out of me...then I want to know why people don't petition the companies licensed to make the players to make something that will work in X? This whole furor has surely proved that there's demand for it, right?
I mean, what's being accomplished by the people at opendvd and livid is outstanding, and is just such a compliment to the dedication of the linux comunity. But why the hell doesn't Creative or some one just get off their asses and release something? As I said, there's obviously a great demand for it, and the first company that supports and embraces (and satifies) said demand is going to: a) make a lot of money b) make a lot of friends c) pioneer a "new", untouched market...
Of course, this is all based on my (possibly incorrect) assumption that licenses purchased from the mpaa (or whoever doles them out) aren't platform specifc, like, "you can use these keys for windows players, and these other keys for mac players, etc. etc".
But anyway, thanks for reading, and please feel free to let me know that I don't know what I'm talking about, and that others before me have thought of this a long time ago... -Peter
as far as i know the problem w/ the quake cheats was that they released pretty much the whole game. i'm guessing that the peices being released here are non critical, and people wouldn't be able to use it to create hacked clients/servers... just mods (i'm guesing.)
Slashdot Mirror
ha
You know what this whole thing has gotten me to do? get off my lazy ass and figure out (for the most part) how to use gpg. I remember in the (awesome)book _cryptomnicon_ a part where some business man is saying, "didn't you get my email?" and some friend of the protaginist says, "I remember getting an email from someone claiming to be you, but I dont respond to any email that's not encrypted". Or some such like that.
So you know what I have to say to carnivore? screw it! screw it all! All of my emails are going to be signed,and _anything_remotely_senisitive_ will be encrypted with my 1024 bit key.
End of story.
I'm relatively new to this whole internet thing, but i'm wondering how this guy get's called "father of the internet", or at least which people see him as such...
I've been brought up under the impression that Jon Postel, RW Stevens, and CmdrTaco made up the 3 men who concieved the internet (the baby)...
it was also reported here
over a year ago.
um...did I miss something? I though debian 2.2 shipped with kernel 2.2.17...
All I've got to say is Batman Forever(c)....
now that's insightful.
where on earth did you get that slogan?
bring something new to the discussion, please. It was getting interesting before you stepped in.
No.
This is the second comment I've responded to about this. The question isn't wether or not some distro is ready to have joe shmoe install it...Hell my dad is on his third windows box and he's never installed it! The question is wether or not linux is ready for the desktop. period.
I'm talking about getting a box pre-installed! my dad wouldn't know how to get any of those things working! I bought him a new video card and a flight sim for christmas, then I had to go and install everything because didn't know how to do it.
But windows is ready for the desktop, right? Why did I have to do that? Because, being "ready for the desktop" and being "ready for j. average user to add random hardware" are two different things.
My comment boiled down to this:
Everything is difficult when your new. But if you don't have preconceived notions of what things should be, then you can get over the difficulty very quickly.
end of story.
-Peter
No, I didn't perform the setup. As I said, a friend of mine performed this experiment using another friend of his. My friend did the initial setup, but that doesn't really matter, does it. I'm not talking about the installation of the OS here. I'm talking about desktop usability. An in this arena, regardless of what ms or linus or anyone says, linux is ready for the desktop.
-Peter
I recently witnessed this "sacred truth" become a myth after a friend of mine performed this experiment.
He gave an old laptop to a buddy of his who was in need of a computer. His friends previous experience with computers was limited to double clicking on a prodigy icon on his dads computer several years ago. "The computer is free", my buddy said, "on the condition that you keep the redhat 6.2 that I've installed on there."
At first he wasn't sure if he made a mistake imposing that condition on his gift as his phone was ringing off the hook ( "hey, how do I...?" ). But then, after a while, the phone stopped ringing. When the two of them eventually met up again, my friend left slack jawed as his buddy was talking about joining one of lugs he'd seen online after getting the internal modem working.
So you see, the point of this convoluted little story is that linux *is* ready for the desktop. Everything is new to everyone at some point so there's no reason that you wouldn't be able to stick a brand new linux box in front of some one who's never used a computer and tell them, "hey, this is what an os is supposed to look like. okay?". But see, that's what microsoft has managed to do with their billions of dollars for people all over the world. They've said, "this is an OS. This is what an OS does. If an OS doesn't do this, then it's *difficult*. If an OS doesn't do this, then it's not ready for the desktop."
But that's just crap. Everyone I've seen can and does learn how this OS works. You've got to get over your preconceived notions of what an OS is and go and find out for yourself. People are willing to learn. I've seen it.
-Peter
I was really hoping this would get modded up.
It's funny as hell.
I've never been a fan of doubleclick. Where I used to work, I had these rules set up on our router, till my boss told me that I wasn't in the business of blocking traffic..
This list is by no means complete, but it keeps doubleclick off my browser about 75% of the time.
#i hate doubleclick
ipchains -A forward -d 204.253.104.95 -j REJECT
ipchains -A forward -d 128.11.60.80 -j REJECT
ipchains -A forward -d 204.178.112.170 -j REJECT
ipchains -A forward -d 208.184.29.210 -j REJECT
ipchains -A forward -d 208.32.211.230 -j REJECT
ipchains -A forward -d 204.253.104.235 -j REJECT
ipchains -A forward -d 209.249.231.10 -j REJECT
ipchains -A forward -d 216.200.14.0/24 -j REJECT
ipchains -A forward -d 204.184.29.90 -j REJECT
ipchains -A forward -d 204.178.112.110 -j REJECT
ipchains -A forward -d 208.184.29.25 -j REJECT
ipchains -A forward -d 208.184.29.130 -j REJECT
ipchains -A forward -d 209.67.38.101 -j REJECT
ipchains -A forward -d 209.67.38.104 -j REJECT
ipchains -A forward -d 209.249.231.50 -j REJECT
ipchains -A forward -d 209.249.231.20 -j REJECT
ipchains -A forward -d 199.95.208.99 -j REJECT
don't they know how insecure that is???
oh wait....
-Peter
The cool thing about Engydra (that I'm suprised the original poster didn't mention) is that the development is entirely opensourced. It's sponsored by lutris. They make their money off support contracts for this thing. I've seen some demos of the product, mostly just using cell phone emulators (that I think they ship with enhydra, or they will very shortly), one java, and two win32's, so you can test all your wap apps before fully deploying them. There's also a sample app or two in there. go check them out .
-Peter
If you actually look at the state of freedom in the US, you'll see that it's disappearing slowly, but (mostly) with the full consent (or simple apathy) of the majority
as much as I dislike the last ~20 minutes of the movie, Gladiator touched upon this really well. Distract the people with amusements (we all have enough of those), and you can take their freeedom from right under their noses, they'll never know...
actually it does...
you can also try this
ps auxgw |grep netscape | awk '{print $1}' | xargs -n1 kill -9
this little beaut is called netpoop
=)
-Peter
I recieved this service (as I stated in my original post) after I had purchased a router. My boss took care of the sales part.
Undoubtedly, sales and support are two different departments. I have taken place in some nightmare tech support calls with other companies (gotten a reputaion at work from them too)with some totally unresponsive techs. The guys in the cisco tech department just seem to want nothing more than to make sure I get my dollars worth from the equipment I just bought. No support contract was purchased. It was just me cold calling their support line.
thanks again.
-Peter
I must say this about cisco, they have "the customer is always right" tatooed on every free part of their collective bodies.
At work, we recently purchased a cisco 1605 router with built in csu/dsu. It was my job to setup and configure this router. The docs weren't as helpful as they could've been, so I put in a call to their tech support. After a lengthy conversation with some one there, I recived a fax with sample configurations, emails with specific technical docs attatched, and just tons of new information. When I finally hung up with the support tech, I checked my voice mail b/c someone had called while I was on the phone (almost an hour), only to find that it was another cisco tech. Apparently, while I was talking to the first tech, my ticket had been entered into the computer with a status of "pending". Seeing this still open ticket, the other tech wanted to make sure that I had recieved _all_ the information I needed to get their product up and running to my complete satisfaction!
This is phenomenal(sp?). Not only do their techs want to stay on the phone with me until I'm completely satisfied (and bearing my "stupid" questions), but they also have techs who "patrol" for open tickets (freshly opened mind you, I was still on the phone with the tech that opened it) who call me to make sure I get everything I can.
I'm no financial expert (taxes...? what are those?) but in my opinion, this company is worth _every_ damned penny of it's valuation.
go cisco, well earned.
from a (very) happy customer,
-Peter
oh yeah, just in case any of you were thinking of boycotting amazon,
I think they just filed for a patent on boycotts.
to protest amazon, just make your check out to:
another rediculous amazon patent, in the ammount of my $.02
-Peter
Amazon patents the "computer user". In a bold move, Amazon (NSDQ: AMZN) recently recieved a patent for the computer user. While Amazon refused to return calls for comment, the press release stated "you can be darn sure that if any of our competitors think they can have free access to our users, they are only fooling themselves! har de har har!"
Other patents pending for amazon.com include:
software
hardware
air
associated press
Just wondering about this:m l?tag=st.ne.1002.thed.1007-200-1558650
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-1558650.ht
what's the deal? you guys seem to be going for the lowest common
denominator with this sort of thing.
first it's the "one-click" technology, now it's affiliate programs?
these are not things you people came up w/. you may have brilliant
engineers driving the backend functionality of the site, but apparently
it's the finance department that's driving the decision making process.
Lord knows it's not the marketing department, as this sort of thing can
only bring about bad publicity as the particulars of the lawsuits (and
I'm sure there will be plenty) are made known.
I'm guessing that some one figured out that the "digital computer" and
the "moniter" (not to mention the "internet") were already patented,
huh?
Just a bit of food for thought, get back to me and let me know how this
inspired you.
-Peter
Me too.
This dvd thing has really got me curious. The problem is that my coding skills are poor at best (no hacking kernel modules or dvd players for me) and I'm no lawyer (tho I can argue w/ the best of them). I've been looking for a way to fight the good fight if you will. I have sent some emails out to various companies (w/ minimal success of course), but this is the kind of thing that I'd like to get behind.
So what I'm wondering is if anyone is already heading in this direction. Are there people to contact yet? who do I talk to??
mmmmm, soft underbelly.
-Peter
While I'm disapointed that it appears that the russians aren't able to keep up their end of the bargain, one must remember the turmoil that said country is embroiled in right now (what w/ yelstin stepping down 6 months before the end of his term and all, forcing russia to commit the politcal equivalent of going over niagra falls in a barrell or something).
but what I don't understand is,
I thought no one could "get smart"...wasn't there a tv show on for like 10 years (still running if you watch nic-at-night) about it? agent 86 and all ? what's the deal?
=)
-Peter
Ok, there's something about this whole dvd debate that's been confusing me for a little while.
Everyone's pissed off at the mpaa and valenti and what-not, b/c they make the (admittly stupid & monoplistic & totalitarian & big-brotherish) laws which seem to prevent us linux users from playing dvd's which we bought and had to watch under the other platform (and no, that doesn't mean one of the bsd's). Along with that, he's also managed to get the idea behind the whole thing completely screwed up (i guess that's what happens when the most comfortable chair you own happens to be your shoulders..=)
But what I don't understand, the thing that confuses me is, don't companies buy licenses from the mpaa or whatever to produce dvd players? Isn't that how css was broken in the first place, by monitering the unecrypted activity of an xing dvd player? Well, assuming my prior assumptions haven't already made an ass out of me...then I want to know why people don't petition the companies licensed to make the players to make something that will work in X? This whole furor has surely proved that there's demand for it, right?
I mean, what's being accomplished by the people at opendvd and livid is outstanding, and is just such a compliment to the dedication of the linux comunity. But why the hell doesn't Creative or some one just get off their asses and release something? As I said, there's obviously a great demand for it, and the first company that supports and embraces (and satifies) said demand is going to:
a) make a lot of money
b) make a lot of friends
c) pioneer a "new", untouched market...
Of course, this is all based on my (possibly incorrect) assumption that licenses purchased from the mpaa (or whoever doles them out) aren't platform specifc, like, "you can use these keys for windows players, and these other keys for mac players, etc. etc".
But anyway, thanks for reading, and please feel free to let me know that I don't know what I'm talking about, and that others before me have thought of this a long time ago...
-Peter
as far as i know the problem w/ the quake cheats was that they released pretty much the whole game.
i'm guessing that the peices being released here are non critical, and people wouldn't be able to use it to create hacked clients/servers...
just mods (i'm guesing.)
but RIGHT ON!
this rocks!