It is really depend on your card's X driver (the module in XFree 4.x or the X server in XFree 3.X)
I got 3 machines at home runnning Linux day and night with X running with Matrox G400 - I had few problems with DRI few months ago but now its rock stable..
At my previous work I had been using NVidia Geforce-2 with their binary only drivers on Compaqs machines that I installed to all the developers (all developers running X and KDE) - had tons of problems with it (3D freezes the machine, exiting from X gives you a green "ghost" [yes, I didn't compile rivafb!] and some random lockups) - so it's really about drivers. Same shit with ATI's drivers and Windows..
Today, there are 2 compilers that are well known - GCC which is the default and most used on Linux, and Intel's ICC which is a commercial, but there is a free non-commercial version available from Intel. So far I have heard mixed reports from people about ICC effiency in terms of code generated, speed of binaries, size of binaries etc (slashdot users who use ICC - please post your conclusions).
Now - the next big compiler that will come out (commercially) is from Borland. Early reports from various testers suggest their C/C++ compiler is kicking both ICC and GCC in the ass, but again - I belive it when I see the numbers, although Borland got a reputation of isssuing quite fast compilers..
So - if you decide to release a compiler, you'll need to think about 3 points:
1. GCC compatible - you'll need it if you want to be used by open source users OR to allow developers to move their apps which used GCC to your compiler.
2. A free version (free as a beer) - in order to be really accepted and widely used by Linux users, you'll need to issue a free version for the developers to use. Intel learned this quite since the beginning that if they want their compiler to be accepted by the Linux users - they'll need to release a free version. Borland is rumored to release a free version also with their upcoming C/C++ compiler (command line version, not the GUI)
3. Competition - well, not much to say here, but you got companies like: Borland, Intel, and the GNU GCC, along with the Portland group's compiler, code warrior (Metrowerks) - plenty of competition. do you really want to get in?
If we'll take Apple which have OS X which is based of FreeBSD, should we call it BSX-OS X?
Most of those distributions (190, whatever) are simply a spin of Redhat, Mandrake, SuSE or Debian with few tweaks, more/less packages. You csn use the packages yourself on your favorite linux distributions without any problem. It's not like when you're moving from Windows to Linux or vice versa...
I talked to few people who knew whats going on inside Great Bridge - sales were not something impressing, and the money the company had was spended very fast.
Redhat suggested to aquire them, they refused (the CEO was on the board of directors of Red Hat before he left to found Great Bridges - if I'm not mistaken)
So, Redhat wanted to have a database to sell to their customers, PostgreSQL is open source, so Redhat tried to go by the book - Aquiring the company and it's expertise in this field. Great Bridge refused, Redhat took the open source version and sold it as "Red Hat database".
Whats happend? customers know Redhat. They don't know who is Great Bridge LLC. They need a solution and support - and the only name they know is Red Hat (I'm talking about corporate customers) - so they turn to Red Hat which happily signs with them a support contract, and Great Bridges LLC looses another deal.
The KDE nonbeta branch has SVG implementation done already for Konqueror/KHTML engine(need only few fixes), so I guess that on the next version of KDE you'll see SVG supported..
The KDE team does what they can to run on Linux and other unices, read this
for example of how KDE 3.0 is planning to support large file systems both in Linux and in 64 bit file systems.../OS's
There are people in the kde-development lists that have other unices that they can use or use mainly - and if something breaks - this tester/developers tell and almost all the times he's getting answer what went wrong and they're fixing it on the CVS - thats happends with Solaris, SGI, Tru64, FreeBSD...
Of course - if an OpenBSD hacker would come along just to report problems (or even gives a hand to fix those problems) - this would benefit the OpenBSD community...
Mozilla is still slow here on my machine (AMD 800 Mhz, 320MB RAM, RH 7.1, XFree 4.0.3) with nothing but TWM running on X!
All the extensions that you described above - are already supported by Konqueror, even the SVG one (can be found on the kdenonbeta directory)..
Yes, it's not multi platform in terms of Windows/Linux/Mac - but it's available for all the other Unices - Solaris, AIX, SCO, HP/UX. IRIX - and to all the processors. Ever though you could run KDENOX (Konqueror without X or KDE) on a strongARM processor? SH4 maybe? how about Atari TT? Amiga? All of them are supported (directly and indirectly) by KDE.
I really donno - but 5 people working at their free time without any payment on KHTML vs. 50 people on the Mozilla team (including IBM people), and the people from Eazel who were helping a bit - and still no sign for 1.0..
KDE 3.0 is not going to be a major rewrite like when it was moving from KDE 1 -> KDE 2
KDE is now switching to a newer QT (3.0), it will be binary incompatible (because of QT 3.0 and GCC 3.0.1, and the upcoming 3.1) and will have some core functionality improved (like database support etc)...
1. Right click on the window - click "stop animation" (the request came after people have complained that it takes lots of network bandwidth if they open remote sessions with slow connection)
2. It's not as default - add bookmark - and it's on the tool - just don't forget to enable "show bookmark toolbar" in the "settings" menu. After that you can use the bookmark editor to do it as folders etc...
3. I donno, I put "folders" in the bookmark toolbar and organize the bookmarks (2000+) - had no problem before that - and thank god the bookmark format is XML.
5. Mind giving more details about it? I didn't understand u.
6. Some pages appears slow - true. Thats going to be taken care of in KDE 3.0.
I would suggest to you to browse the KDE mailing lists and the GNOME mailing lists - see who behaves like amature and see who behaves like a 5 years old kid..
Ego's are on KDE camp as well as on GNOME camp - and thats fine and dandy, if they contribute and help..
They had a reason to rewrite it (almost) from scratch - they got a butt ugly code that Netscape programmers added and added and added without re-organizing the code..
Of course - this move costed a lot - its September 2001 and 1.0 is not out...
I think he means the time it takes - and regarding the time - he's right..
One of the features that I like in Konqueror is to open another browsing window which runs on a seperate process - so if 1 konqueror crashes, the others remain running..
Why GNOME exists? because of some stupidity licensing issue (mind you - even after trolltech relicensed their QT - and I use KDE right now - you still cannot write commercial apps without buying full commercial QT license - so what RMS got from this? and his "forgiveness" to the KDE developers? nothing - cosmetic issue, nothing else)
So do you say ditch GNOME or KDE and lets of them be de facto standard? good idea - try to convince some people - good luck.
Did you ever wonder why Mozilla is continually falling behind schedule? Because people like the Konqueror team decide to go off on their own instead of working for the good of the community
How come? Mozilla is written in C, KDE and Konqueror - C++ - both are totally different creatures - Konqueror beauty is the the HTML rendering is just another plugin - try to do: man:gcc - see the online help in a very beautiful format. try to put an Audio-CD inside your cdrom and type: audiocd:/ - and it you'll be able to rip on-the-fly your audio tracks to MP3 or OGG format - so you see - KDE designers (and developers) wanted to do something very different then Mozilla..
So far, the KDE teams seems to be way ahead then anyone else and it just seems to me that Mozilla and other parts are catching up, they're on the way to KDE 3.0 and they're completing the stuff (like CSS 2) while other KDE developers hiding W3C standards that the Mozilla guys doesn't even dream to do - like the SVG support..
If the free software community wants to make a good impression on the business world (and it may already be too late), we must, at all costs, avoid splitting into tiny, useless factions working on useless, duplicate projects.
Fine - help the Mozilla team to release 1.0. I see the reaction from Windows developers when they see Mozilla, and when they see KDE.. Guess what they preffer...
Here's an idea: before starting your new project, check to see if someone is already working on a similar project. Had the Konqueror team observed this little suggestion, the whole Konqueror fiasco could have been avoided.
Almost agreed - Mozilla is not Konqueror - it's just like comparing apples and oranges..
As far as I recall - even KDE 1 beta 1 had some browsing capabilities - I remember when I tried it and then checking with ps if they're running netscape without widgets or something like that - it was quite a surprise to me back then to see a first "competitor" to Netscape in terms of graphics browser integrated so well..
Now - if I recall correctly, KDE 1 (beta) was released at around 1997 with some browsing capabilities - so if I'm not mistaken - KDE was before mozilla..
Please correct me if I'm wrong (give dates or something)
The RLX machines are specifically for ISP's - (look at the blade card - you'll see a Transmeta processor + hard disk) - so when you get a new client - you put an image on it, PHP, MySQL/PostgresSQL, Front Page extension, IP - and let the client do what it wants to do..
withi this case - it's a different thing - you'll definately connect a SAN to it, you'll have Xeon processors who can crunch numbers much better then Transmeta's one - and this machine doesn't give a damn about power saving...
1. You mention in your FAQ that a developer can use a wrapper around QT and GTK+ - nice idea, but what about Motif stuff? wrapper around those also? same for TCL/TK, FLTK, and native xlib stuff? This will make everything VERY slow..
2. As for drivers for the cards - your best chance would be to write somehow a convertor of X server driver to Berlin. Without this you'll need to sign NDA to all the graphics companies and start writing drivers from scratch - that is of course if you want to use the accelerated features. You can use always the VESA to give the basic stuff (unaccelerated) - what are your plans?
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It is really depend on your card's X driver (the module in XFree 4.x or the X server in XFree 3.X)
I got 3 machines at home runnning Linux day and night with X running with Matrox G400 - I had few problems with DRI few months ago but now its rock stable..
At my previous work I had been using NVidia Geforce-2 with their binary only drivers on Compaqs machines that I installed to all the developers (all developers running X and KDE) - had tons of problems with it (3D freezes the machine, exiting from X gives you a green "ghost" [yes, I didn't compile rivafb!] and some random lockups) - so it's really about drivers. Same shit with ATI's drivers and Windows..
On the Amiga 500 - 16 out of 4096 unless you were in the HAM mode (Hold and Modify - very flickery) with the AGA chipset...
I think the ECS gave more colours (256 out of 4096? not sure. anyone?)
Ahh, those were the days (says a man who had Amiga 1000 with 1MB RAM with the Insider card)
Hmm, whats going on with BitBoys? are they going to release something out soon? heard lots of promises, nothing in the end.. which is too bad...
;)
Hey nVidia - there are some clever guys in BitBoys - buy them
Today, there are 2 compilers that are well known - GCC which is the default and most used on Linux, and Intel's ICC which is a commercial, but there is a free non-commercial version available from Intel. So far I have heard mixed reports from people about ICC effiency in terms of code generated, speed of binaries, size of binaries etc (slashdot users who use ICC - please post your conclusions).
Now - the next big compiler that will come out (commercially) is from Borland. Early reports from various testers suggest their C/C++ compiler is kicking both ICC and GCC in the ass, but again - I belive it when I see the numbers, although Borland got a reputation of isssuing quite fast compilers..
So - if you decide to release a compiler, you'll need to think about 3 points:
1. GCC compatible - you'll need it if you want to be used by open source users OR to allow developers to move their apps which used GCC to your compiler.
2. A free version (free as a beer) - in order to be really accepted and widely used by Linux users, you'll need to issue a free version for the developers to use. Intel learned this quite since the beginning that if they want their compiler to be accepted by the Linux users - they'll need to release a free version. Borland is rumored to release a free version also with their upcoming C/C++ compiler (command line version, not the GUI)
3. Competition - well, not much to say here, but you got companies like: Borland, Intel, and the GNU GCC, along with the Portland group's compiler, code warrior (Metrowerks) - plenty of competition. do you really want to get in?
Not exactly right...
Some parts uses the FreeBSD, and some parts are using iPlanet...
www.yahoo.com, mail.yahoo.com runs on FreeBSD, but vision.yahoo.com, radio.yahoo.com gives sometimes OS as "unknown" on Netcraft...
Not IMHO...
If we'll take Apple which have OS X which is based of FreeBSD, should we call it BSX-OS X?
Most of those distributions (190, whatever) are simply a spin of Redhat, Mandrake, SuSE or Debian with few tweaks, more/less packages. You csn use the packages yourself on your favorite linux distributions without any problem. It's not like when you're moving from Windows to Linux or vice versa...
So whats your point?
Really?
groups.google.com - heard about it?
Well, in case you'll have some spare time - go ahead browse it a bit in the BSD sections...
There is a difference between telling a newbie developers "it would be better if you do this XYZ and not ABC" rather then "RTFM, get lost"
I talked to few people who knew whats going on inside Great Bridge - sales were not something impressing, and the money the company had was spended very fast.
Redhat suggested to aquire them, they refused (the CEO was on the board of directors of Red Hat before he left to found Great Bridges - if I'm not mistaken)
So, Redhat wanted to have a database to sell to their customers, PostgreSQL is open source, so Redhat tried to go by the book - Aquiring the company and it's expertise in this field. Great Bridge refused, Redhat took the open source version and sold it as "Red Hat database".
Whats happend? customers know Redhat. They don't know who is Great Bridge LLC. They need a solution and support - and the only name they know is Red Hat (I'm talking about corporate customers) - so they turn to Red Hat which happily signs with them a support contract, and Great Bridges LLC looses another deal.
Well, a company, specially like Great Bridges LLC could takes RedHat had thrown to them, maybe negotiate for a better deal - but join Red Hat.
You don't refuse to a company which has 70% of Linux, specially if you're out of cash and your bidder can put you out of business within few months...
Another example of stupid CEO & board of director.
The KDE nonbeta branch has SVG implementation done already for Konqueror/KHTML engine(need only few fixes), so I guess that on the next version of KDE you'll see SVG supported..
The KDE team does what they can to run on Linux and other unices, read this for example of how KDE 3.0 is planning to support large file systems both in Linux and in 64 bit file systems.../OS's
There are people in the kde-development lists that have other unices that they can use or use mainly - and if something breaks - this tester/developers tell and almost all the times he's getting answer what went wrong and they're fixing it on the CVS - thats happends with Solaris, SGI, Tru64, FreeBSD... Of course - if an OpenBSD hacker would come along just to report problems (or even gives a hand to fix those problems) - this would benefit the OpenBSD community...
Mozilla is still slow here on my machine (AMD 800 Mhz, 320MB RAM, RH 7.1, XFree 4.0.3) with nothing but TWM running on X!
All the extensions that you described above - are already supported by Konqueror, even the SVG one (can be found on the kdenonbeta directory)..
Yes, it's not multi platform in terms of Windows/Linux/Mac - but it's available for all the other Unices - Solaris, AIX, SCO, HP/UX. IRIX - and to all the processors. Ever though you could run KDENOX (Konqueror without X or KDE) on a strongARM processor? SH4 maybe? how about Atari TT? Amiga? All of them are supported (directly and indirectly) by KDE.
I really donno - but 5 people working at their free time without any payment on KHTML vs. 50 people on the Mozilla team (including IBM people), and the people from Eazel who were helping a bit - and still no sign for 1.0..
Hmm, this is going to be VERY interesting...
Few people I talked to who are working on McKinly processor - says that they can barely make it work at around 1Ghz...
Now - it would be interesting to see Intel's rep talking to PHB, where the PHB sees P4 running at 2Ghz currently vs. McKinly running at 1Ghz...
Would Intel join AMD campaign that "Mhz numbers doesn't matter anymore"? we'll see...
Search slashdot archive - Sony has already demo'd a machine with 64 Emotion chips for rendering tasks..
Using KDE 2.2 - Redhat RPMS - the page loads just fine - 2 tables looks perfectly ok..
KDE 3.0 is not going to be a major rewrite like when it was moving from KDE 1 -> KDE 2
KDE is now switching to a newer QT (3.0), it will be binary incompatible (because of QT 3.0 and GCC 3.0.1, and the upcoming 3.1) and will have some core functionality improved (like database support etc)...
I'll try to answer...
1. Right click on the window - click "stop animation" (the request came after people have complained that it takes lots of network bandwidth if they open remote sessions with slow connection)
2. It's not as default - add bookmark - and it's on the tool - just don't forget to enable "show bookmark toolbar" in the "settings" menu. After that you can use the bookmark editor to do it as folders etc...
3. I donno, I put "folders" in the bookmark toolbar and organize the bookmarks (2000+) - had no problem before that - and thank god the bookmark format is XML.
5. Mind giving more details about it? I didn't understand u.
6. Some pages appears slow - true. Thats going to be taken care of in KDE 3.0.
Really??
I would suggest to you to browse the KDE mailing lists and the GNOME mailing lists - see who behaves like amature and see who behaves like a 5 years old kid..
Ego's are on KDE camp as well as on GNOME camp - and thats fine and dandy, if they contribute and help..
Peaker,
They had a reason to rewrite it (almost) from scratch - they got a butt ugly code that Netscape programmers added and added and added without re-organizing the code..
Of course - this move costed a lot - its September 2001 and 1.0 is not out...
I think he means the time it takes - and regarding the time - he's right..
One of the features that I like in Konqueror is to open another browsing window which runs on a seperate process - so if 1 konqueror crashes, the others remain running..
ok, I'll try to answer your questions...
Why do we need another web browser?
Why GNOME exists? because of some stupidity licensing issue (mind you - even after trolltech relicensed their QT - and I use KDE right now - you still cannot write commercial apps without buying full commercial QT license - so what RMS got from this? and his "forgiveness" to the KDE developers? nothing - cosmetic issue, nothing else)
So do you say ditch GNOME or KDE and lets of them be de facto standard? good idea - try to convince some people - good luck.
Did you ever wonder why Mozilla is continually falling behind schedule? Because people like the Konqueror team decide to go off on their own instead of working for the good of the community
How come? Mozilla is written in C, KDE and Konqueror - C++ - both are totally different creatures - Konqueror beauty is the the HTML rendering is just another plugin - try to do: man:gcc - see the online help in a very beautiful format. try to put an Audio-CD inside your cdrom and type: audiocd:/ - and it you'll be able to rip on-the-fly your audio tracks to MP3 or OGG format - so you see - KDE designers (and developers) wanted to do something very different then Mozilla..
So far, the KDE teams seems to be way ahead then anyone else and it just seems to me that Mozilla and other parts are catching up, they're on the way to KDE 3.0 and they're completing the stuff (like CSS 2) while other KDE developers hiding W3C standards that the Mozilla guys doesn't even dream to do - like the SVG support..
If the free software community wants to make a good impression on the business world (and it may already be too late), we must, at all costs, avoid splitting into tiny, useless factions working on useless, duplicate projects.
Fine - help the Mozilla team to release 1.0. I see the reaction from Windows developers when they see Mozilla, and when they see KDE.. Guess what they preffer...
Here's an idea: before starting your new project, check to see if someone is already working on a similar project. Had the Konqueror team observed this little suggestion, the whole Konqueror fiasco could have been avoided.
Almost agreed - Mozilla is not Konqueror - it's just like comparing apples and oranges..
Mozilla was first? really?
As far as I recall - even KDE 1 beta 1 had some browsing capabilities - I remember when I tried it and then checking with ps if they're running netscape without widgets or something like that - it was quite a surprise to me back then to see a first "competitor" to Netscape in terms of graphics browser integrated so well..
Now - if I recall correctly, KDE 1 (beta) was released at around 1997 with some browsing capabilities - so if I'm not mistaken - KDE was before mozilla..
Please correct me if I'm wrong (give dates or something)
No - those are different "beasts"
The RLX machines are specifically for ISP's - (look at the blade card - you'll see a Transmeta processor + hard disk) - so when you get a new client - you put an image on it, PHP, MySQL/PostgresSQL, Front Page extension, IP - and let the client do what it wants to do..
withi this case - it's a different thing - you'll definately connect a SAN to it, you'll have Xeon processors who can crunch numbers much better then Transmeta's one - and this machine doesn't give a damn about power saving...
Okay,
;))
Now compile the kernel with DEVFS - and explain it to him
Which bring those questions to mind:
1. You mention in your FAQ that a developer can use a wrapper around QT and GTK+ - nice idea, but what about Motif stuff? wrapper around those also? same for TCL/TK, FLTK, and native xlib stuff? This will make everything VERY slow..
2. As for drivers for the cards - your best chance would be to write somehow a convertor of X server driver to Berlin. Without this you'll need to sign NDA to all the graphics companies and start writing drivers from scratch - that is of course if you want to use the accelerated features. You can use always the VESA to give the basic stuff (unaccelerated) - what are your plans?