Xwindows was released MUCH before Windows 1.0 was out - it was on the first graphical workstations far beyond the PC got their graphics from Hercules or CGA graphics..
Look at their license that they are going to sell it - $99 PER PERSON - meaning if I have a workstation at work, machine at home, and notebook - I can install 3 copies LEGALLY. If I remember correctly, the MS EULA back then would let you install up to two copies AS LONG as only one of them is running. Not sure about it now..
Besides - it would let sys admins do their admin job way easier - SSH the machine even through a GSM modem and admin it, try that with any windows software.
And the best part - it will let you run full speed Linux apps and and pretty-fast speed Windows apps (try to compare latest CVS versions of Wine with transgaming contributions of direct 2D speed improvments).
Read the email - it says DH Brown will release a study that MS is cheaper compared to Linux. This report is commissioned by MS and it's not out yet - so if this email is a fake - how could he know about DH brown study? DH brown so far knew to shut-up until releasing those damn expensive studies...
So he tells about this report and another one in May - well, if it's a fake - then how the original author of this email knew about the May study?
Back then when Quake 3 was out for Linux, 3D graphics on Linux was laughable at best! there was barely any DRI implementation and there was XFree 3.3.6 (and no Xv extensions, no Xinerama, etc)
John Carmack was among the guys who helped developed 3D drivers for Linux thanks to Matrox releasing specs. The trick that you had to do in order to reserve DMA with kernel booting... history...
So he is more then just a game programmer, and he intend to help further when the next Doom will be out.
Actually, judging from MS history - this is only the beginning of law suits from MS - wait till Lindows public beta comes out - and I'll be damned if MS won't sue Lindows pants for patent violations, copyright infrigments etc...
XWindows available since... what, 1976 or so? feel free to correct me here...
Sun, Oracle and Borland have tried already to block MS from trademarking Windows. Didn't catch on. Court agreed with Microsoft.
You say that "They can't really sue for any kind of damages without trying to prove the other product was of inferior quality and actually damaged their reputation because consumers were confused... I would not want to be the person trying to prove that in court." - why can't they? they clearly can buy a copy (by the time the actual trial will be, Lindows will be out and trust Microsoft that they will have several copies for checking) and can show the judge "Look your honour - this products clearly competes with Windows - it let you run MS office, and we'll loose Windows sales because of it" - rest asure that the judge will agree with them.
What if I want to subscribe but I preffer like many others to use KDE? sure, I can run Red Carpet under KDE without any problems, but Ximian doesn't offer me the latest KDE updates (even that they are packaged and ready for transmition). I could understand they're point if they don't do it because it's their competing desktop, but come on - you give the users opera while you give Galeon and Mozilla in the next channel! money wise - they should add the KDE stuff, or they just being stupid.
WineX-1.0-2.i386.rpm 4000KB
File Description:
RPM format WineX package. Created Nov 27, 2001. Tested on Mandrake Linux 8.1 Gaming edition. Should work on most recent RPM based Linux distributions.
WineX-1.0-1.i386.rpm 4000KB
File Description:
RPM format WineX package. Created Oct 22, 2001. Tested on Mandrake Linux 8.1 Gaming edition. Should work on most recent RPM based Linux distributions.
thats 2 updates - one for october (first release) and 1 for november (for Mandrake 8.1, RH 7.2 etc)..
The next WineX will include tons of new enhancments (auto detection CDROM, better copy protection handling, improved InstallShield/DCOM process, preliminary support for DirectX8 [not sure about this one yet], improved DirectX 7 support, sound fixes, and lots of others)..
I do belive in their subscription services since I know that they a lot of work on WineX to support much more games (3DMark2000 looks really nice on Linux). They are also hiring people and they DO plan to give back the Wine development lots of things back [gav is making a 10k line diff to merge into standard wine, how's that as a give back?].
Note: If you know Direct3D rendering internally well, knows linux well and knows wine a bit - then he's looking to hire you: gav@transgaming.com
(disclaimer - I'm not affiliated with transgaming)
Actually - with RHN you get the updates WAY before Ximian are putting them in their Red Carpet servers. I know because I used them both, and when you're maintaing few dozens Red Hat Linux servers - the few days gap is really important..
What really amazes me is that Ximian is actually stealing clients from Red Hat Network and Redhat so far didn't say or do anything about it, not mentioning that RHN is pretty much empty (well, it only got some security updates) which is a bit of dumb idea (you got the infrastructure - start selling!)
2. I'm pretty sure that if Germany will do that, then many porn web sites will simply move their servers to another country (and with today's situation, I'm sure that many ISP will be happy to host those sites)
For those who know some Hebrew - you might want to browse inside Israeli web site with IE - a true joy - flash is the default AD format, and they're jumping WAY ALL OVER - phones, cars, everything right in your face and the close mark is so tiny that you hardly can find it..
OTOH I'm using Konqueror most of the times - so I don't see those stuff anyway;)
If I buy tommorow a pSeries machine (I wish!), where is Red Hat coming? do I sign a support contract with them or with IBM? and who do I turn if I have a question? to Red Hat or to IBM?
I don't speak as KDE representitive (David Faure, Kurt Granoth and others can), but if I recall correctly, RMS did "insult" them with his "forgivness" back in the days where there were some problem with QT license & KDE license.
A good co-operation between GNOME & KDE is more then welcome (look at freedesktop.org) but RMS pushing for this? I'll belive it when I see it.
2. Go ahead - try to make a bootable DVD - you'll need it to be bootable from the 2nd layer, not the first one..
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Well, Reaktivate was a sort of "proof of concept" that in can ActiveX apps can be run inside konqueror (not only Quicktime and other graphics viewers, but others like YahooVision activex and others)..
The chances of getting it into the main KDE tree are almost 0% - since it relies on wine (which itself is a moving target) and I really doubt that the authors (Niko [WildFox] and malte) want it inside the main KDE tree.
The Apple II was an open machine. Sorry if you didn't like the software, it was the first mass-adopted personal computer, and did give rise to some of the killer apps that put the computer in offices and homes, and had the first games written in BASIC.
Nop. They were written in Assembler - I had Apple II (followed by Apple II+ (it took me time to find the switch that lets me reset the machine with CTRL Reset)).
This offer from RedHat is just to install on machines that MS will "donate" - if MS wouldn't donate anything - then there isn't much a point to donate - anyone today can freely download RH 7.2 ISO's (although I personally encourage people to buy at least 1 copy - it's not expensive and by buying you do help the open source community).
You are allowed to hack the system and proove that it is broken (by showing exactly where is the flaw etc..) - but you cannot use the resulted crack for profit...
Enter ElcomSoft - they found a flaw in Adobe's eBook and made money from this hack by using it to make a "backup" program so you can "backup" your eBooks and in this case - the DMCA is right...
Lets be honest here - DMCA is a draconian law, but lets also be real here - Go read Adobe's statements, DMCA statements and other statements - if you're hacking in order to proof the world there is something wrong with the protection - then no one will sue you (did u see MS suing the guy who showed the flaw in their password? I didn't, what about the numereous flaws in HotMail? I didn't see them chasing those guys either)...
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Try Amithlon and tell me how "slow" is this Amiga emulation - hell, I heard it's over 100 times faster then the latest Amiga.
Have you actually looked at the drivers available in linmodems.org? look for example at the Cirrus Logic driver and look at the IBM's MWave driver - they have some common goal - they're emulating V34 and V90 protocols for example - but each chip is doing this TOTALLY differently, try to play a bit with the binary only ltmodem to see what I mean...
A unified driver won't work here since almost each DSP chip which is a WinModem is totally different from others - look at the HSF modems DSP chips (conexant) VS. Lucent WinModem DSP chips VS Cirrus Logic VS TI's DSP chip...
Or I might didn't understand you well Alex, could you give more details? You also didn't give any details about what do u offer for a group of programmers - who will get what...
Back at my previous job, I was hired to work at a new start-up where all the workstations are Linux and all developers are... Windows developers..
So, I decided to make a small test case - I took 8 machines, installed on 4 of them Ximian GNOME and on the other 4 - full KDE 2.2.1 and I asked the developers to play with those machines and decide which enviroment they want to use.
2 hours later I got the results from them - all 30 developers wanted KDE, none of them wanted GNOME, and those developers never touched Linux before...
Just goes to show you that KDE is much better suited for corporate use when your users have used Windows before.
Of course - the point where there is no MS Office is a PITA, but for that I installed them VMWare and win98+office
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Totally changed in KDE 3.0 (now you can search your entire network with a "wizard" in Kcontrol in KDE 3.0)
Have you actually followed what happend when Linus replaced the VM in the 2.4.x kernel? everyone and their dogs started to shout about replacing such a critical part in the middle of stable kernel..
Of course - the people who use Linux on their server doesn't give a damn about the sound OSS vs. ALSA, and others who do - can simply install the RPM and get over it. I can hardly belive that ANYONE will seriously consider replacing OSS with ALSA at this stage.
The problem is - that I didn't see what bandwidth do they have? what if tommorow someone posts a story with a link to the next great open-source application and all slashdot readers and their dogs are going to download it? what then? I won't be able to even browse a simple CVS tree on projects there...
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Fot the record..
Xwindows was released MUCH before Windows 1.0 was out - it was on the first graphical workstations far beyond the PC got their graphics from Hercules or CGA graphics..
thats simple:
Look at their license that they are going to sell it - $99 PER PERSON - meaning if I have a workstation at work, machine at home, and notebook - I can install 3 copies LEGALLY. If I remember correctly, the MS EULA back then would let you install up to two copies AS LONG as only one of them is running. Not sure about it now..
Besides - it would let sys admins do their admin job way easier - SSH the machine even through a GSM modem and admin it, try that with any windows software.
And the best part - it will let you run full speed Linux apps and and pretty-fast speed Windows apps (try to compare latest CVS versions of Wine with transgaming contributions of direct 2D speed improvments).
I wish them luck.
And why do u think it's fake?
Read the email - it says DH Brown will release a study that MS is cheaper compared to Linux. This report is commissioned by MS and it's not out yet - so if this email is a fake - how could he know about DH brown study? DH brown so far knew to shut-up until releasing those damn expensive studies...
So he tells about this report and another one in May - well, if it's a fake - then how the original author of this email knew about the May study?
Got a short memory, eh?
Back then when Quake 3 was out for Linux, 3D graphics on Linux was laughable at best! there was barely any DRI implementation and there was XFree 3.3.6 (and no Xv extensions, no Xinerama, etc)
John Carmack was among the guys who helped developed 3D drivers for Linux thanks to Matrox releasing specs. The trick that you had to do in order to reserve DMA with kernel booting... history...
So he is more then just a game programmer, and he intend to help further when the next Doom will be out.
Good to see you here Dancin Santa ;)
;)
Actually, judging from MS history - this is only the beginning of law suits from MS - wait till Lindows public beta comes out - and I'll be damned if MS won't sue Lindows pants for patent violations, copyright infrigments etc...
Just wait
Lets see...
XWindows available since... what, 1976 or so? feel free to correct me here...
Sun, Oracle and Borland have tried already to block MS from trademarking Windows. Didn't catch on. Court agreed with Microsoft.
You say that "They can't really sue for any kind of damages without trying to prove the other product was of inferior quality and actually damaged their reputation because consumers were confused... I would not want to be the person trying to prove that in court." - why can't they? they clearly can buy a copy (by the time the actual trial will be, Lindows will be out and trust Microsoft that they will have several copies for checking) and can show the judge "Look your honour - this products clearly competes with Windows - it let you run MS office, and we'll loose Windows sales because of it" - rest asure that the judge will agree with them.
Fixed, thanks
No, the list DOESN'T go on...
What if I want to subscribe but I preffer like many others to use KDE? sure, I can run Red Carpet under KDE without any problems, but Ximian doesn't offer me the latest KDE updates (even that they are packaged and ready for transmition). I could understand they're point if they don't do it because it's their competing desktop, but come on - you give the users opera while you give Galeon and Mozilla in the next channel! money wise - they should add the KDE stuff, or they just being stupid.
Excuse me - I'm a subscriber too..
From their subsciber web site:
WineX-1.0-2.i386.rpm 4000KB
File Description:
RPM format WineX package. Created Nov 27, 2001. Tested on Mandrake Linux 8.1 Gaming edition. Should work on most recent RPM based Linux distributions.
WineX-1.0-1.i386.rpm 4000KB
File Description:
RPM format WineX package. Created Oct 22, 2001. Tested on Mandrake Linux 8.1 Gaming edition. Should work on most recent RPM based Linux distributions.
thats 2 updates - one for october (first release) and 1 for november (for Mandrake 8.1, RH 7.2 etc)..
The next WineX will include tons of new enhancments (auto detection CDROM, better copy protection handling, improved InstallShield/DCOM process, preliminary support for DirectX8 [not sure about this one yet], improved DirectX 7 support, sound fixes, and lots of others)..
I do belive in their subscription services since I know that they a lot of work on WineX to support much more games (3DMark2000 looks really nice on Linux). They are also hiring people and they DO plan to give back the Wine development lots of things back [gav is making a 10k line diff to merge into standard wine, how's that as a give back?].
Note: If you know Direct3D rendering internally well, knows linux well and knows wine a bit - then he's looking to hire you: gav@transgaming.com
(disclaimer - I'm not affiliated with transgaming)
Actually - with RHN you get the updates WAY before Ximian are putting them in their Red Carpet servers. I know because I used them both, and when you're maintaing few dozens Red Hat Linux servers - the few days gap is really important..
What really amazes me is that Ximian is actually stealing clients from Red Hat Network and Redhat so far didn't say or do anything about it, not mentioning that RHN is pretty much empty (well, it only got some security updates) which is a bit of dumb idea (you got the infrastructure - start selling!)
1. Use Squid from another country...
2. I'm pretty sure that if Germany will do that, then many porn web sites will simply move their servers to another country (and with today's situation, I'm sure that many ISP will be happy to host those sites)
Nah, you haven't seen anything yet...
;)
For those who know some Hebrew - you might want to browse inside Israeli web site with IE - a true joy - flash is the default AD format, and they're jumping WAY ALL OVER - phones, cars, everything right in your face and the close mark is so tiny that you hardly can find it..
OTOH I'm using Konqueror most of the times - so I don't see those stuff anyway
I don't see any details here..
If I buy tommorow a pSeries machine (I wish!), where is Red Hat coming? do I sign a support contract with them or with IBM? and who do I turn if I have a question? to Red Hat or to IBM?
Lots of details missing........
I don't speak as KDE representitive (David Faure, Kurt Granoth and others can), but if I recall correctly, RMS did "insult" them with his "forgivness" back in the days where there were some problem with QT license & KDE license.
A good co-operation between GNOME & KDE is more then welcome (look at freedesktop.org) but RMS pushing for this? I'll belive it when I see it.
1. Bleem is dead - look at their web site.
2. Go ahead - try to make a bootable DVD - you'll need it to be bootable from the 2nd layer, not the first one..
Well, Reaktivate was a sort of "proof of concept" that in can ActiveX apps can be run inside konqueror (not only Quicktime and other graphics viewers, but others like YahooVision activex and others)..
The chances of getting it into the main KDE tree are almost 0% - since it relies on wine (which itself is a moving target) and I really doubt that the authors (Niko [WildFox] and malte) want it inside the main KDE tree.
Nop. They were written in Assembler - I had Apple II (followed by Apple II+ (it took me time to find the switch that lets me reset the machine with CTRL Reset)).
remember: call -151 ?
What are you talking about?
This offer from RedHat is just to install on machines that MS will "donate" - if MS wouldn't donate anything - then there isn't much a point to donate - anyone today can freely download RH 7.2 ISO's (although I personally encourage people to buy at least 1 copy - it's not expensive and by buying you do help the open source community).
Want to read the DMCA again please?
You are allowed to hack the system and proove that it is broken (by showing exactly where is the flaw etc..) - but you cannot use the resulted crack for profit...
Enter ElcomSoft - they found a flaw in Adobe's eBook and made money from this hack by using it to make a "backup" program so you can "backup" your eBooks and in this case - the DMCA is right...
Lets be honest here - DMCA is a draconian law, but lets also be real here - Go read Adobe's statements, DMCA statements and other statements - if you're hacking in order to proof the world there is something wrong with the protection - then no one will sue you (did u see MS suing the guy who showed the flaw in their password? I didn't, what about the numereous flaws in HotMail? I didn't see them chasing those guys either)...
Have you actually looked at the drivers available in linmodems.org? look for example at the Cirrus Logic driver and look at the IBM's MWave driver - they have some common goal - they're emulating V34 and V90 protocols for example - but each chip is doing this TOTALLY differently, try to play a bit with the binary only ltmodem to see what I mean...
A unified driver won't work here since almost each DSP chip which is a WinModem is totally different from others - look at the HSF modems DSP chips (conexant) VS. Lucent WinModem DSP chips VS Cirrus Logic VS TI's DSP chip...
Or I might didn't understand you well Alex, could you give more details? You also didn't give any details about what do u offer for a group of programmers - who will get what...
Back at my previous job, I was hired to work at a new start-up where all the workstations are Linux and all developers are ... Windows developers..
So, I decided to make a small test case - I took 8 machines, installed on 4 of them Ximian GNOME and on the other 4 - full KDE 2.2.1 and I asked the developers to play with those machines and decide which enviroment they want to use.
2 hours later I got the results from them - all 30 developers wanted KDE, none of them wanted GNOME, and those developers never touched Linux before...
Just goes to show you that KDE is much better suited for corporate use when your users have used Windows before.
Of course - the point where there is no MS Office is a PITA, but for that I installed them VMWare and win98+office
Totally changed in KDE 3.0 (now you can search your entire network with a "wizard" in Kcontrol in KDE 3.0)
Have you actually followed what happend when Linus replaced the VM in the 2.4.x kernel? everyone and their dogs started to shout about replacing such a critical part in the middle of stable kernel..
Of course - the people who use Linux on their server doesn't give a damn about the sound OSS vs. ALSA, and others who do - can simply install the RPM and get over it. I can hardly belive that ANYONE will seriously consider replacing OSS with ALSA at this stage.
The problem is - that I didn't see what bandwidth do they have? what if tommorow someone posts a story with a link to the next great open-source application and all slashdot readers and their dogs are going to download it? what then? I won't be able to even browse a simple CVS tree on projects there...