Well, if our dear friend arQon was just browsing the transgaming web page, he would have seen that they are making a module for the Linux kernel, that combined with it - you'll get your FPS in games under WineX at the same speed as Windows 2000, which doesn't seems to me that bad..
True, SDL isn't a replacement for Direct3D, but it's getting used by loki for their new games releases - which means, you'll find there most of your functionality that you need for writing games. It's not perfect, but it's not that bad either..
I'm not sure if this will go into KDE 2.2, but one of the KDE developers is integrating a module to put fonts just like in Windows - a very simple way..
See the mailing lists for details
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Really?
Check KDE - it only missed few months when the 2.0 version was out (and even MS misses few months with their products), but other then that - the KDE project is very focused, developed very fast and it could be a good example of how a project should be managed.
And it's slow - compared to Xine. I have tested it on 6 machines with various graphics card - starting from top line GeForce-3, Matrox G400, TNT2, all the way down to Trident.
Xine beats the crap out of VideoLAN in terms of picture smoothness, and the need for SDL (Xine doesn't need SDL)
The funny part is - that if MS was choosing AMD as it's processor for the XBox - then Intel would have been developed a game console with Linux! Ask Intel employees who where envolved with this and they'll tell you about it.
Now, regarding this console thing - it might be succseed - if they can find a partner who will create the motherboard, chipsets, and all the stuff that it's needed. Of course - any manufacturer will tell you that they will manufacture it for you - by the thousands - only if you put some cold hard cash money up-front.
And I'm not mentioning stuff like DVD playing which will need special license to fully playback DVD's with all the navigational stuff (IFO parsing etc..), writing special drivers for the various joysticks which aren't supported yet (force feedback stuff, etc), and convincing some commercial companies to write games for it...
But if they'll pull this off - I'll be another person to buy it.
Well, with both the AMD and Intel Pentium Pro - you didn't have much choise - you could use the Pentium or the Pentium Pro. That what you had as an options...
Today Intel and AMD are pushing to 64 bit. AMD goes a bit more "conservative" approach with their X86-64 bit, which will let your old 32 apps runs like they're running on an avrage Athlon, while Intel is pushing a completly new approach for 64 bit while running 32 bit apps on it will run like on an ancient Pentium II..
Intel is aiming to release their McKinly processor (the next generation Itanium) this year and they want people to write apps for it. AMD will release their 64 next year. Both of them wants you to write your applications for their processors - AMD is hiring SuSE to port Linux to their SledgeHammer and Intel is with VA Linux, Rehdat, Turbo-Linux, SuSE (who now looks like they are the best company to port Linux to any processor on earth..), and other.. Windows XP has code for both 64 processors (AMD and Intel)
So if I was a developer, I wouldn't optimize my code on a P4. Instead I would start learning about both AMD and Intels newer processors.
Just email them and ask them for their media kit, and you might want to read it (it's 1 PDF page)..
And what are their business plan? to put AD's on Nautilus. What about 3rd party applications support? (so you can download other stuff then they have) - Maybe in 2002...
You call this a good business plan? I call it the way to chapter 11
TheKompany is making their products and if they want - they release software to be included with KDE, but that DOESN'T mean that KDE is depending on TheKompany - they are totally independent of each other.
KDE is being developed by mostly volunteers (and some developers who are paid by the various distributions - Caldera, Mandrake, SuSE) - so if TheKompany tommorow goes south it will be a sad day, but KDE development will be continued...
On the GNOME side, Eazel and Ximian are doing lots of work - if Eazel and Ximian will go south, GNOME will continue to be developed, but with much slower pace until they'll get new volunteers to help.
From my experience - you'll find with Apache a MUCH more reponsive answer, instructions for workaround - and in most of the times - a patch WITHIN few hours...
With MS stuff (and I had the "pleasure" to be in that situation) - first they argue with you that you are wrong, and it doesn't exist, then when they are convinced that there is something true in what you say - their workaround is...funny ("disable Java on your clients"), and most of the time the patches comes either after few days at minimum, and even when they issue a patch, they're not checking it well (service pack 6 on Win NT, anyone? or the latest security fix which won't apply on many machines...)
Sorry, but MS still doesn't "get it" on security in my book.
I would like to respond to your comments about buying software, and selling the office to Linux.
Lets start at the end of your comment (I'm reffering to question 4)
You've mentioned Corel Linux. I happend to be one of their beta testers and used Corel Linux for a couple of weeks.
IMHO, the Corel Linux is something like "proof of consept" - yes, they did a nice job of packaging and making it easy for end user - but what a disribution is worth if there is only 1 security fix in 6 months? (go ahead, count the security fixes that debian had in that same branch they made the Corel Linux). Also, what about compatibility? they changed the QT libraries that they were practically useless for avrage programs to be compiled? haven't they heard about compatibility libraries? even RedHat puts compatibility libraries with a new major version of their distributions.
And updates? I didn't see any update besides the 1 security fix there.
So lets summorize this point: people don't just buy or use a product unless they read reviews about it and maybe following it along the way. With Corel Linux track so far - I wouldn't bother to use it.
Now - the porting to GNOME or KDE - come on Doug, you can do better then that! you're using Motif with applications that you port to Unix (or Linux), so whats GNOME or KDE got to do with it? you can use the XDND protocol (along with some others RPC like Sun RPC's) to do OLE. Go ahead - ask the guys at Mainsoft how they're doing it. Besides - all the distributions today are installing BY DEFAULT all the libraries that are necessary to run both GNOME and KDE applications.
As for your point of buying commercial software - You are more then welcome to call VMWare and ask them how they're VMWare for Linux is selling and why they make they're product first to Linux and then to Windows - they sell pretty well. In fact - they have been profitable since they started to sell their product.
So yes, an avrage Linux user doesn't buy lots of commercial software since most of them are free - but do a survey and you'll find that for a good commercial products with a good price - they'll be lots of people and companies who will buy commercial applications.
And another thing - MS attitude to Linux in terms of porting applications to Linux: Microsoft is porting their MSIE and Windows media player to Solaris and HP/UX - why not to Linux? We both know that by any count you have more Linux workstations then there are Sun's and HP Unix workstations COMBINED! so why not port your MSIE and Windows media player to Linux? if you already ported it to other unices - it wouldn't be that hard to move it further along to Linux. Even the GUI stuff can be ported with QT Libraries
my email address on this post is real, please - feel free to correct me or to respond me.
Moving from X windows to FB (frame buffer) you'll loose:
1. Hardware acceleration. Sure, you can write hardware acceleration, but how many people here do know how to write hardware acceleration for the various chips?
2. You'll loose 3D, DGA(1/2), Xv, XDND, and zillion libraries which are using Xlib and other extensions. Want to write them with the frame buffer? please, be my guest. Just tell me which year you're going to have 1.0 version
3. You'll loose all X applications support that needs X - think commercial applications that doesn't give a fuck that you like Frame Buffer. Think about commercial vendors who port their applications from other unices to Linux and vice versa.
X is fine! You should start reading some info about X, why it shows in "top" that it takes lots of resources (hint - it's not what you think).
I like X, and I like the extensions that are being written of it. I like DRI, I like Anti Aliasing in QT, and I like the Xv extensions which let me watch full screen TV (on 1600x1280x32bpp) with my ancient TV tuner and lets me watch DVD's with Xine.
Because Libranet is a very small company. They don't have partnerships and big contracts like Redhat or SuSE have.
They also don't have almost any clients...
But they do package debian and make it easy to install (and forcing newbies straight to GNOME on default - let the user search for KDE - it's on the 2nd CD).
So they have to pay saleries, QA tests, development (they did write some stuff there you know), Support (phone, email, web, newsgroups, etc) - and lets not forget - to pay for ISP, office rent, secretary, sales people etc...
These things do cost money and I think it's pretty fair to pay to them $15.
Personally I wouldn't buy it because I haven't seen a single review anywhere about it - not in Linux weekly news, LinuxToday, slashdot, and other places, but paying for ISO of Redhat or SuSE or Mandrake is fine by me (hey, as long as it's cheap and I get a decent bandwidth from the distributor)
Lets check what you get with typical Windows installation:
Windows OS, maybe few freebies applications that your hardware gave you, and if you paid for - Office
Linux: OS, X windows, KDE, GNOME, compilers, editors, games, multimedia applications (players etc), languages (python, perl, etc), and the list goes on...
You know, when you install SuSE - you can use the "CUSTOM" option to select what you want to install - and get less then 300MB disk usage. Just read the damn instuctions!
Have you ever tried the SuSE german version of Linux? even the kernel messages are in german (talking about make menuconfig)...
As for MS or MacOS - you get the OS itself with localized version - and they're applications which Apple or MS written with localized version. If you'll install for example Quicken - you'll get it by default in.. english
Yes, I played long time ago with Irix (on Indy). It's a sweet OS. Great Multitasking, great MP support, great graphics etc...
So what made you think that the PEOPLE who DESIGNED the Irix cannot do it to Linux too?? it's not like they're taking your Redhat and changing it - it's IA-64, a whole new ball game.
Give them credit. If they wrote Irix and done what they did - they can surely make Linux something that no one have ever dreamed of that Linux can be...
Well, I just came accross this story on ZDNN which related to your doubt about Redhat. And they're one of the lucky guys around, they split their share while it was very high and now they have enough money in the bank and market share. They profit forcast for profitablity of Redhat probably even next quater.
As for others - SuSE are doing very well in Europe. Not very well in U.S.
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Well, if our dear friend arQon was just browsing the transgaming web page, he would have seen that they are making a module for the Linux kernel, that combined with it - you'll get your FPS in games under WineX at the same speed as Windows 2000, which doesn't seems to me that bad..
True, SDL isn't a replacement for Direct3D, but it's getting used by loki for their new games releases - which means, you'll find there most of your functionality that you need for writing games. It's not perfect, but it's not that bad either..
Regarding the fonts...
I'm not sure if this will go into KDE 2.2, but one of the KDE developers is integrating a module to put fonts just like in Windows - a very simple way..
See the mailing lists for details
Really?
Check KDE - it only missed few months when the 2.0 version was out (and even MS misses few months with their products), but other then that - the KDE project is very focused, developed very fast and it could be a good example of how a project should be managed.
Go ahead - contact Sun, HP or Redhat - do you really think that they are so interested in the Desktop market? hint - the answer is NO.
Sure, Mandrake does, but do you think that they have the money to invest in Eazel? I would be surprised if they do..
And it's slow - compared to Xine. I have tested it on 6 machines with various graphics card - starting from top line GeForce-3, Matrox G400, TNT2, all the way down to Trident.
Xine beats the crap out of VideoLAN in terms of picture smoothness, and the need for SDL (Xine doesn't need SDL)
Well, DXR-2 card is great.. if you watch you DVD in a seperate TV or and old monitor (like those who were used with Atari ST or Amiga)
But it sucks in quality when you watch your DVD in your monitor.
The funny part is - that if MS was choosing AMD as it's processor for the XBox - then Intel would have been developed a game console with Linux! Ask Intel employees who where envolved with this and they'll tell you about it.
Now, regarding this console thing - it might be succseed - if they can find a partner who will create the motherboard, chipsets, and all the stuff that it's needed. Of course - any manufacturer will tell you that they will manufacture it for you - by the thousands - only if you put some cold hard cash money up-front.
And I'm not mentioning stuff like DVD playing which will need special license to fully playback DVD's with all the navigational stuff (IFO parsing etc..), writing special drivers for the various joysticks which aren't supported yet (force feedback stuff, etc), and convincing some commercial companies to write games for it...
But if they'll pull this off - I'll be another person to buy it.
Well, with both the AMD and Intel Pentium Pro - you didn't have much choise - you could use the Pentium or the Pentium Pro. That what you had as an options...
Today Intel and AMD are pushing to 64 bit. AMD goes a bit more "conservative" approach with their X86-64 bit, which will let your old 32 apps runs like they're running on an avrage Athlon, while Intel is pushing a completly new approach for 64 bit while running 32 bit apps on it will run like on an ancient Pentium II..
Intel is aiming to release their McKinly processor (the next generation Itanium) this year and they want people to write apps for it. AMD will release their 64 next year. Both of them wants you to write your applications for their processors - AMD is hiring SuSE to port Linux to their SledgeHammer and Intel is with VA Linux, Rehdat, Turbo-Linux, SuSE (who now looks like they are the best company to port Linux to any processor on earth..), and other.. Windows XP has code for both 64 processors (AMD and Intel)
So if I was a developer, I wouldn't optimize my code on a P4. Instead I would start learning about both AMD and Intels newer processors.
Good luck waiting for Eazel to make money...
Just email them and ask them for their media kit, and you might want to read it (it's 1 PDF page)..
And what are their business plan? to put AD's on Nautilus. What about 3rd party applications support? (so you can download other stuff then they have) - Maybe in 2002...
You call this a good business plan? I call it the way to chapter 11
Wrong
TheKompany is making their products and if they want - they release software to be included with KDE, but that DOESN'T mean that KDE is depending on TheKompany - they are totally independent of each other.
KDE is being developed by mostly volunteers (and some developers who are paid by the various distributions - Caldera, Mandrake, SuSE) - so if TheKompany tommorow goes south it will be a sad day, but KDE development will be continued...
On the GNOME side, Eazel and Ximian are doing lots of work - if Eazel and Ximian will go south, GNOME will continue to be developed, but with much slower pace until they'll get new volunteers to help.
From my experience - you'll find with Apache a MUCH more reponsive answer, instructions for workaround - and in most of the times - a patch WITHIN few hours...
...funny ("disable Java on your clients"), and most of the time the patches comes either after few days at minimum, and even when they issue a patch, they're not checking it well (service pack 6 on Win NT, anyone? or the latest security fix which won't apply on many machines...)
With MS stuff (and I had the "pleasure" to be in that situation) - first they argue with you that you are wrong, and it doesn't exist, then when they are convinced that there is something true in what you say - their workaround is
Sorry, but MS still doesn't "get it" on security in my book.
Brad - the question is about RaQ 3 from Cobalt..
When did you hear last time that Cobalt is running on Windows? it's only running Linux and their new ones running on Solaris.
Of course - you can grab such a machine and slap Windows NT/2000 on it, but whats the point?
Funny that you mention it...
Point your FTP client to here: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/sparc/7.1/iso/
5 ISO images of the new SuSE 7.1 for your Sparc.
Enjoy,
I would like to respond to your comments about buying software, and selling the office to Linux.
Lets start at the end of your comment (I'm reffering to question 4)
You've mentioned Corel Linux. I happend to be one of their beta testers and used Corel Linux for a couple of weeks.
IMHO, the Corel Linux is something like "proof of consept" - yes, they did a nice job of packaging and making it easy for end user - but what a disribution is worth if there is only 1 security fix in 6 months? (go ahead, count the security fixes that debian had in that same branch they made the Corel Linux). Also, what about compatibility? they changed the QT libraries that they were practically useless for avrage programs to be compiled? haven't they heard about compatibility libraries? even RedHat puts compatibility libraries with a new major version of their distributions.
And updates? I didn't see any update besides the 1 security fix there.
So lets summorize this point: people don't just buy or use a product unless they read reviews about it and maybe following it along the way. With Corel Linux track so far - I wouldn't bother to use it.
Now - the porting to GNOME or KDE - come on Doug, you can do better then that! you're using Motif with applications that you port to Unix (or Linux), so whats GNOME or KDE got to do with it? you can use the XDND protocol (along with some others RPC like Sun RPC's) to do OLE. Go ahead - ask the guys at Mainsoft how they're doing it. Besides - all the distributions today are installing BY DEFAULT all the libraries that are necessary to run both GNOME and KDE applications.
As for your point of buying commercial software - You are more then welcome to call VMWare and ask them how they're VMWare for Linux is selling and why they make they're product first to Linux and then to Windows - they sell pretty well. In fact - they have been profitable since they started to sell their product.
So yes, an avrage Linux user doesn't buy lots of commercial software since most of them are free - but do a survey and you'll find that for a good commercial products with a good price - they'll be lots of people and companies who will buy commercial applications.
And another thing - MS attitude to Linux in terms of porting applications to Linux: Microsoft is porting their MSIE and Windows media player to Solaris and HP/UX - why not to Linux? We both know that by any count you have more Linux workstations then there are Sun's and HP Unix workstations COMBINED! so why not port your MSIE and Windows media player to Linux? if you already ported it to other unices - it wouldn't be that hard to move it further along to Linux. Even the GUI stuff can be ported with QT Libraries
my email address on this post is real, please - feel free to correct me or to respond me.
We've been over and over and over again...
Moving from X windows to FB (frame buffer) you'll loose:
1. Hardware acceleration. Sure, you can write hardware acceleration, but how many people here do know how to write hardware acceleration for the various chips?
2. You'll loose 3D, DGA(1/2), Xv, XDND, and zillion libraries which are using Xlib and other extensions. Want to write them with the frame buffer? please, be my guest. Just tell me which year you're going to have 1.0 version
3. You'll loose all X applications support that needs X - think commercial applications that doesn't give a fuck that you like Frame Buffer. Think about commercial vendors who port their applications from other unices to Linux and vice versa.
X is fine! You should start reading some info about X, why it shows in "top" that it takes lots of resources (hint - it's not what you think).
I like X, and I like the extensions that are being written of it. I like DRI, I like Anti Aliasing in QT, and I like the Xv extensions which let me watch full screen TV (on 1600x1280x32bpp) with my ancient TV tuner and lets me watch DVD's with Xine.
Because Libranet is a very small company. They don't have partnerships and big contracts like Redhat or SuSE have.
They also don't have almost any clients...
But they do package debian and make it easy to install (and forcing newbies straight to GNOME on default - let the user search for KDE - it's on the 2nd CD).
So they have to pay saleries, QA tests, development (they did write some stuff there you know), Support (phone, email, web, newsgroups, etc) - and lets not forget - to pay for ISP, office rent, secretary, sales people etc...
These things do cost money and I think it's pretty fair to pay to them $15.
Personally I wouldn't buy it because I haven't seen a single review anywhere about it - not in Linux weekly news, LinuxToday, slashdot, and other places, but paying for ISO of Redhat or SuSE or Mandrake is fine by me (hey, as long as it's cheap and I get a decent bandwidth from the distributor)
Commodore Sold around 10.5 million commodore 64's (thats including the 64 module, the SX 64 module, and the C64S module)..
I don't think that Apple has sold iMacs more then Commodore did, but then again - Commodore is dead (as we knew it) and Apple is still alive..
Oh really?
Lets check what you get with typical Windows installation:
Windows OS, maybe few freebies applications that your hardware gave you, and if you paid for - Office
Linux: OS, X windows, KDE, GNOME, compilers, editors, games, multimedia applications (players etc), languages (python, perl, etc), and the list goes on...
You know, when you install SuSE - you can use the "CUSTOM" option to select what you want to install - and get less then 300MB disk usage. Just read the damn instuctions!
Call IDC, Giga or any other firm that check market share and ask them about Mandrake VS Redhat in corporate market share...
I'll save you the phone cost:
Redhat: 70%
SuSE: 10%
Caldera: 7%
Mandrake: 3%
Turbo Linux: 3%
The rest - other distributors..
The numbers are from the latest IDC pulication..
And you think that Red Carpet will remain free? then think again...
Ximian will give some free updates of course, but their major updates will cost money. Same with Eazel..
Go read their business plan...
Have you ever tried the SuSE german version of Linux? even the kernel messages are in german (talking about make menuconfig)...
.. english
As for MS or MacOS - you get the OS itself with localized version - and they're applications which Apple or MS written with localized version. If you'll install for example Quicken - you'll get it by default in
Yes, I played long time ago with Irix (on Indy). It's a sweet OS. Great Multitasking, great MP support, great graphics etc...
So what made you think that the PEOPLE who DESIGNED the Irix cannot do it to Linux too?? it's not like they're taking your Redhat and changing it - it's IA-64, a whole new ball game.
Give them credit. If they wrote Irix and done what they did - they can surely make Linux something that no one have ever dreamed of that Linux can be...
Just wait
I thought the license wars of KDE has been resolved and forgotten, so why not include KDE?
I can live with GNOME apt-get, but what about KDE? Window Maker?
Oh well, maybe next time...
And thats a new feature???
with MS explorer 4 you had it turned on as default long time ago
KDE had it since KDE 2.1 beta 1 but with a twist: you can put a web page as a desktop wallpaper, or better - ANY GUI application as a wallpaper!
Well, I just came accross this story on ZDNN which related to your doubt about Redhat. And they're one of the lucky guys around, they split their share while it was very high and now they have enough money in the bank and market share. They profit forcast for profitablity of Redhat probably even next quater. As for others - SuSE are doing very well in Europe. Not very well in U.S.