My bad.. I meant GNOME is now many users older from when it used to be that a single parameter change in a GTK Function would cause a recompile of the whole thing.. heh.. sorry about the nonclarity of the question.
My original question still stands. How does Ximian and GNOME plan to catch up to the large distribution deficit it seems to be facing on the new linux user market?
Over the past few years, there have been plenty of dependencies and what not in GNOME. One package upgrade seemingly shatters the entire setup. Now Gnome is many years older but doesn't seem to have approached the capabilities of the KDE. In this day and age when people are choosing KDE for their distributions in order to attain user-friendliness, what do you think Ximian can do to catch up? How do you plan on bridging that gap?
Okay. I'm sick of seeing this crap about how Linux users aren't supporting Linux gaming if they bought the windows version. I for one have TWO copies of: ALpha Centauri Planetary Pack, RRT2, Quake 3. Both the linux and windows version. And yet, Loki still died? Folks, we aren't a big enough market. Look at it this way:
Company A writes Windows games.
Company B writes Linux games.
Company A releases hot new game(tm) for Windows and says, "We won't be making a linux version."
So now Consumers who like Linux are supposed to just deny Company A the money? What good does denying Company A the money do for Company B? "Well, Magnwa, it might make them want to sell the rights to the game to Company B!" Yes, and it might make them convinced there's no market out there at all for Linux games because NOBODY'S BUYING THE BAD GAMES COMPANY B IS SELLING!. Look, you want to prove you like Linux games, buy a game (windows or linux), return the card, and indicate that YOU LIKE LINUX. Bingo! You just gave that company a valid sale and a number included. You just proved to company A that Linux users buy games. Boycotting windows games does while buying games you dislike that run on Linux will NOT get the "cool" games to linux. It simply will have the Company A's of the world talking about how much Linux users like crap games.
The numbers weren't there. Stop making up excuses and just accept the fact that the market doesn't freaking exist for linux games. It just DOESN'T. Maybe in years it will, but now it doesn't. Deal.
Yeah, let's take over the world, let's kick everyone's ass! Yeah, that rocks!
"Netscape"
Yeah, fight the system! ROCK!
"Netscape/AOL/Time Warner/Linux"
Eww! Who wants that, we wanna take over the world some other way!
Okay, now that the VCs money is running thin, and other such things are going wrong , and companies are falling like flies.. why is a BIG BIG BIG company supporting linux distribution a bad thing? "Oh, but they'll just commercialize it!"
As if this whole past five years hasn't been overhyped with Linux?
The original Stack was BSD's. The BSD advert was displayed right on there , all the way up to , I believe, 1.2.12 or 1.0.13 or something like that (My mind blanks on some of this.. but I know that the stack was BSD's for what was a relatively long time.) I remember the flamewars quite vividly. "WHEN are we going to remove that STUPID stack?"
The 2.5 million was up front, and NuSphere met all the obligations of their contract. (Training, extending, selling MYSQL boxed, printing a manual for them.. etc.)
I would like to note.. again.. NuSphere has had MYSQL's permission, endorsement, and even partnership to use their name and create/sell addons. NuSphere paid for that right. MYSQL AB most likely knew about them selling the MYSQL product with enhancements in a box. Heck, they told a lot of people about it!
Now they are upset that NuSphere has produced such a great product, and this is their method of 'revenge.'
NuSphere is NOT A DIRECT COMPETITOR TO MYSQL AB. They have a deal to do this. They are licensed to use MYSQL and to extend it. They have had a deal to do this. What I think this is was MYSQL AB realizing that NuSphere extended the product beyond MYSQL AB's expectations and enhancing it to the point where MYSQL AB's version is not used.
NuSphere was licensed by MYSQL to produce a boxed edition of their database, or so I was told. MYSQL knew there would be extending going on (and heck, that's why they supposedly sold the rights to it..) and they knew NuSphere would be selling the extensions in a boxed set with support.
I do not see the problem here other than NuSphere having forked a product to create a better one.
I am curious. Is there validity to his claim that he had this thing solved 5 months ago.. and was there anyone who can verify this guy was the hacker? (Cracker for those who get pissy about definitions:) ) . If so.. and if he trojaned sshd.. well.. he very likely has a backdoor in to a lot of other places. Does ssh send the private key up for comparison, or does it pull the public key down? What are the implications of having SSHD backdoored and what kind of information can be obtained from this? If I have keys in a directory..and sshd is backdoored, could I potentially have security issues on all other sites I use ssh on?
DOes this affect debian, who uses ssh exclusively? Or anyone else that uses ssh exclusively?
What I'm asking is, is there a ripple effect from this? Should people be revoking their keys in masse?
Ahh.. lower back pain. Heh. Here's my references. I am an unloader at UPS. My job is to keep pushing junk off the truck. There are three "stopgaps" for lower back ache for me. 1. Ibuprofen. 2. Tiger Balm. 3. Hot baths. Those are the only way I've found to eliminate it or cope with it.
Your mattress MAY be of issue too.
Magnwa
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Yes, from what I recall Caldera is the only company that owns the rights to Novell Login stuff for the current novell networks. You'd have to switch to them.
Magnwa
I can't discuss who or what, but I can say that MYSQL most definatly is a good opensource application that is being used in VERY mission critical LARGE SCALE professional settings. So.. please don't imply that FUD here. Mysql is a great product that is only going to get better (and in our field testing, kicked the daylights out of a few commercial DB's)
Magnwa
Uhh.. nope. It didnt' come with a digital vcr. It didn't come with a DVD-ROM. It came with nothing. They never even made a prototype. At least not a working one.. because they had NO CERTIFICATION STANDARDS for games, nor an SDK! None of this stuff ever came out at all. Why are we all acting as though this stuff actually existed?
The source code to this box is already freely available. All that the SDK had was OpenAL, GCC, OpenGL(Mesa), X, and a few other nickknacks. Nothing REALLY earth shattering.
I would wager there is no other code, since their IESDK is supposed to be up to version.9 by March 2001, and it's only up to version.3
Correct. There is no freedom of speech. Just the knowledge that the Government can never restrict it. I really think this should be taught in high school.
@HOME hasn't had that vulernability for over two years now. THey had it for TWO MONTHS at the beginning of their service, then scrapped the modems that did it and went to a router based modem.
But.. if you want to get @HOME, go right ahead.
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I beg to differ. The space program at one time was a thing of national pride. It was scary when the three died on the pad due to the fire.. but that didn't stop the space program at all. With Christa and the STS-51L.. and the terrifying explosion.. not much has moved forward in the space program. The international space station is slowing down.. there may not be enough funding to go to it in the future. The extraplanetary missions are two or three generations down the road instead of one. The shuttle still doesn't have a safe egress vehicle while it's taking off.. and it's only confined to circumnavigating the earth. Right now, the shuttle missions are mostly funded by outside organizations for scientific/commercial purposes.
*shrugs*
Sounds like a kill to me.
Magnwa
You probably can have Linux on it.. just don't be surprised if they add $80 - $90 or so to the end bill at the end of the semester for an OS reinstall.
The GNOME/KDE war has produced a ton of code. Why? Because it's a slashdot generated flamewar, and the developers are actually doing useful things like coding. So.. those that can really code are doing it, for GNOME, KDE, or both. Those that can't are left bitching and moaning and making both parties look like children.
magnwa (who posted this from Konqi, but could just as easily have posted it from lynx , mozilla, or Staroffice. Get the point?)
And.. expect our "friends" at napster, who people so willingly followed like sheep because the RIAA is dubbed evil.. to turn and sue us for patent and trade secret violations. The snake is about to bite us back. This is why it shouldn't have been supported to begin with. NOW they can make money, and now we will see the power of that at work.
WHat's the difference between this and a self booting rescue disk? I mean.. I can use YARD or windows or anything else to create a rescue disk that boots in, does a few things, and leaves. I can burn those disks onto CD. Big deal.. this isn't new tech.. it's old tech in new boxes. (Oh, and BTW, there are windows games out there now that do self booting.. can't think of any off hand.. but I know there are some that do.)
Right. But we don't have the right to free speech. We have the assurance that the government will make no laws concerning our speech. There's a big difference between having the right to say whatever you want and having a government not allowed to hurt you.
And the government couldn't do anything either. I mean, if you make up stuff like "Magnwa's Paper hires editors that rape goats", I can get you for libel:) But otherwise, yes, you are free to start a paper and compete and not suffer any governmental restrictions from it. That's what the constitution is for. It's definatly not for little kids to run around screaming, "FIRST AMENDMENT, you can't punish me for cussing you out!"
Mags
Slashdot Mirror
My bad.. I meant GNOME is now many users older from when it used to be that a single parameter change in a GTK Function would cause a recompile of the whole thing.. heh.. sorry about the nonclarity of the question.
My original question still stands. How does Ximian and GNOME plan to catch up to the large distribution deficit it seems to be facing on the new linux user market?
Over the past few years, there have been plenty of dependencies and what not in GNOME. One package upgrade seemingly shatters the entire setup. Now Gnome is many years older but doesn't seem to have approached the capabilities of the KDE. In this day and age when people are choosing KDE for their distributions in order to attain user-friendliness, what do you think Ximian can do to catch up? How do you plan on bridging that gap?
Okay. I'm sick of seeing this crap about how Linux users aren't supporting Linux gaming if they bought the windows version. I for one have TWO copies of: ALpha Centauri Planetary Pack, RRT2, Quake 3. Both the linux and windows version. And yet, Loki still died? Folks, we aren't a big enough market. Look at it this way:
Company A writes Windows games.
Company B writes Linux games.
Company A releases hot new game(tm) for Windows and says, "We won't be making a linux version."
So now Consumers who like Linux are supposed to just deny Company A the money? What good does denying Company A the money do for Company B? "Well, Magnwa, it might make them want to sell the rights to the game to Company B!" Yes, and it might make them convinced there's no market out there at all for Linux games because NOBODY'S BUYING THE BAD GAMES COMPANY B IS SELLING!. Look, you want to prove you like Linux games, buy a game (windows or linux), return the card, and indicate that YOU LIKE LINUX. Bingo! You just gave that company a valid sale and a number included. You just proved to company A that Linux users buy games. Boycotting windows games does while buying games you dislike that run on Linux will NOT get the "cool" games to linux. It simply will have the Company A's of the world talking about how much Linux users like crap games.
The numbers weren't there. Stop making up excuses and just accept the fact that the market doesn't freaking exist for linux games. It just DOESN'T. Maybe in years it will, but now it doesn't. Deal.
Magnwa
"World domination!"
Yeah, let's take over the world, let's kick everyone's ass! Yeah, that rocks!
"Netscape"
Yeah, fight the system! ROCK!
"Netscape/AOL/Time Warner/Linux"
Eww! Who wants that, we wanna take over the world some other way!
Okay, now that the VCs money is running thin, and other such things are going wrong , and companies are falling like flies.. why is a BIG BIG BIG company supporting linux distribution a bad thing? "Oh, but they'll just commercialize it!"
As if this whole past five years hasn't been overhyped with Linux?
Magnwa
The original Stack was BSD's. The BSD advert was displayed right on there , all the way up to , I believe, 1.2.12 or 1.0.13 or something like that (My mind blanks on some of this.. but I know that the stack was BSD's for what was a relatively long time.) I remember the flamewars quite vividly. "WHEN are we going to remove that STUPID stack?"
Etc.
Magnwa
The 2.5 million was up front, and NuSphere met all the obligations of their contract. (Training, extending, selling MYSQL boxed, printing a manual for them.. etc.)
Magnwa
I would like to note.. again.. NuSphere has had MYSQL's permission, endorsement, and even partnership to use their name and create/sell addons. NuSphere paid for that right. MYSQL AB most likely knew about them selling the MYSQL product with enhancements in a box. Heck, they told a lot of people about it!
Now they are upset that NuSphere has produced such a great product, and this is their method of 'revenge.'
Magnwa
NuSphere is NOT A DIRECT COMPETITOR TO MYSQL AB. They have a deal to do this. They are licensed to use MYSQL and to extend it. They have had a deal to do this. What I think this is was MYSQL AB realizing that NuSphere extended the product beyond MYSQL AB's expectations and enhancing it to the point where MYSQL AB's version is not used.
That's what I think this is.
NuSphere was licensed by MYSQL to produce a boxed edition of their database, or so I was told. MYSQL knew there would be extending going on (and heck, that's why they supposedly sold the rights to it..) and they knew NuSphere would be selling the extensions in a boxed set with support.
I do not see the problem here other than NuSphere having forked a product to create a better one.
Magnwa
Actually.. they can ignore it for up to SEVEN years and then do what they want. :)
It's called the statute of limitations.
Magnwa
I am curious. Is there validity to his claim that he had this thing solved 5 months ago.. and was there anyone who can verify this guy was the hacker? (Cracker for those who get pissy about definitions :) ) . If so.. and if he trojaned sshd.. well.. he very likely has a backdoor in to a lot of other places. Does ssh send the private key up for comparison, or does it pull the public key down? What are the implications of having SSHD backdoored and what kind of information can be obtained from this? If I have keys in a directory..and sshd is backdoored, could I potentially have security issues on all other sites I use ssh on?
DOes this affect debian, who uses ssh exclusively? Or anyone else that uses ssh exclusively?
What I'm asking is, is there a ripple effect from this? Should people be revoking their keys in masse?
Magnwa
Ahh.. lower back pain. Heh. Here's my references. I am an unloader at UPS. My job is to keep pushing junk off the truck. There are three "stopgaps" for lower back ache for me. 1. Ibuprofen. 2. Tiger Balm. 3. Hot baths. Those are the only way I've found to eliminate it or cope with it.
Your mattress MAY be of issue too.
Magnwa
Yes, from what I recall Caldera is the only company that owns the rights to Novell Login stuff for the current novell networks. You'd have to switch to them. Magnwa
I can't discuss who or what, but I can say that MYSQL most definatly is a good opensource application that is being used in VERY mission critical LARGE SCALE professional settings. So.. please don't imply that FUD here. Mysql is a great product that is only going to get better (and in our field testing, kicked the daylights out of a few commercial DB's) Magnwa
Uhh.. nope. It didnt' come with a digital vcr. It didn't come with a DVD-ROM. It came with nothing. They never even made a prototype. At least not a working one.. because they had NO CERTIFICATION STANDARDS for games, nor an SDK! None of this stuff ever came out at all. Why are we all acting as though this stuff actually existed?
The source code to this box is already freely available. All that the SDK had was OpenAL, GCC, OpenGL(Mesa), X, and a few other nickknacks. Nothing REALLY earth shattering.
.9 by March 2001, and it's only up to version .3
I would wager there is no other code, since their IESDK is supposed to be up to version
Magnwa
Correct. There is no freedom of speech. Just the knowledge that the Government can never restrict it. I really think this should be taught in high school.
@HOME hasn't had that vulernability for over two years now. THey had it for TWO MONTHS at the beginning of their service, then scrapped the modems that did it and went to a router based modem. But.. if you want to get @HOME, go right ahead.
I beg to differ. The space program at one time was a thing of national pride. It was scary when the three died on the pad due to the fire.. but that didn't stop the space program at all. With Christa and the STS-51L .. and the terrifying explosion.. not much has moved forward in the space program. The international space station is slowing down.. there may not be enough funding to go to it in the future. The extraplanetary missions are two or three generations down the road instead of one. The shuttle still doesn't have a safe egress vehicle while it's taking off.. and it's only confined to circumnavigating the earth. Right now, the shuttle missions are mostly funded by outside organizations for scientific/commercial purposes.
*shrugs*
Sounds like a kill to me.
Magnwa
You probably can have Linux on it.. just don't be surprised if they add $80 - $90 or so to the end bill at the end of the semester for an OS reinstall.
Magnwa
The GNOME/KDE war has produced a ton of code. Why? Because it's a slashdot generated flamewar, and the developers are actually doing useful things like coding. So.. those that can really code are doing it, for GNOME, KDE, or both. Those that can't are left bitching and moaning and making both parties look like children.
magnwa (who posted this from Konqi, but could just as easily have posted it from lynx , mozilla, or Staroffice. Get the point?)
And.. expect our "friends" at napster, who people so willingly followed like sheep because the RIAA is dubbed evil.. to turn and sue us for patent and trade secret violations. The snake is about to bite us back. This is why it shouldn't have been supported to begin with. NOW they can make money, and now we will see the power of that at work.
WHat's the difference between this and a self booting rescue disk? I mean.. I can use YARD or windows or anything else to create a rescue disk that boots in, does a few things, and leaves. I can burn those disks onto CD. Big deal.. this isn't new tech.. it's old tech in new boxes. (Oh, and BTW, there are windows games out there now that do self booting.. can't think of any off hand.. but I know there are some that do.)
Right. But we don't have the right to free speech. We have the assurance that the government will make no laws concerning our speech. There's a big difference between having the right to say whatever you want and having a government not allowed to hurt you.
Mags
And the government couldn't do anything either. I mean, if you make up stuff like "Magnwa's Paper hires editors that rape goats", I can get you for libel :) But otherwise, yes, you are free to start a paper and compete and not suffer any governmental restrictions from it. That's what the constitution is for. It's definatly not for little kids to run around screaming, "FIRST AMENDMENT, you can't punish me for cussing you out!"
Mags