First off.. let me tackle some of their "response points"
1. A product that is not commercial can still violate trademark. (Cite: www.uspto.gov)
2. LG stated that , in issue #8, they were going to e under the management of the SSC crew. Management implies content rights.
3. They state in their response that they feel a trademark does not exist. It does. It definately does. This can be checked at www.uspto.gov.
Whining like little brats will not solve the problem, and will only create more. LinuxGazette.net's response states that they will not change the name if they are forced to give up the domain, and that implies that they are perfectly willing to confuse the public about which is the real LG.
When kids, as they are being arrested, say they got the idea from Grand Theft Auto, and that they didn't think it'd hurt anyone because in GTA simply shooting a car doesn't always kill the occupants.. then I have to wonder why this game is marketed towards children.
Yes, we can blame the parents. The guns should not have been accessible. Yes, we can blame them for buying the game...
But who here really thinks that GTA 3 isn't marketed towards kids?
Why can't all the important kernel developers get together and try to get an injunction barring SCO from shipping their binary-only kernel until the portions they wrote are removed from the kernel... conveniently providing all the lines of code, dates, etc... (just because they are bad citizens doesn't mean we have to be). What SCO will be left with will be their code more or less and less than useless.
Mostly because if they did that, it means they are invalidating the GPL. The GPL says that SCO has every right to sell binary kernels so long as the source is made available. And, also, you cannot just remove lines of code from one licensee under the GPL. They'd have to remove it from all or none.
Equal protection.
Jarrod
It seems to me that this entire position paper will get thrown out as it is talking about SCO OpenServer. SCO's suit contends that the infractions occurred with UnixWare.
What IDIOT thought this would be a good idea? JEEZE!
CDRROM. So when I install the game, if I have a CD Writer/Combo Drive, it writes on the CDR portion that I've installed it, and, oh, by the way, this is my system specs and other such info and here's some other stuff...
OR!
Wait.. we could also do this! Limited play games! We could make it so (since it IS CDR-ROM) that our users can only play a game.. oh.. 100 times! Or once they beat the game , they can't play it again! Or we can throw keys onto it and block against copying of anytype.
Except that RAD made it clear in advance that it was out. It was more like Rabid Linux Users went to RAD, found the link and the such.. and told RAD that bioware was using them and lying. RAD made it public that they had these things, and then bioware had to backpedel dramatically.
I mean.. come on.. Do you really think a company that paid for a license to use APIS didn't know what platforms those APIs ran on? Are you stating that we are waiting for a game made by a company with coders, buyers, and planners THAT utterly inept?
I'm over on the linuxgames.com site as well, I usually post as an anon because my work doesn't like me logging in to any sites. Silly job. Any who.. I used to be a bioware apologist.. but even you have to admit this is weird. When you do a project , you scope it out and design it in before you code. They planned for simul release. Note, I didn't say promise.. just planned. But from how it appears now, they did little to no coding on the linux client during the windows programming. Doesn't that seem a bit odd? Now we find out that not only did they not do much programming, that they didn't know if the sound system would work, nor the movies system.. this is after having problems with the networing, the graphics, the controllers, and the scripting engines, in that order? See.. what gets us pissed is the fact that this is supposed to be a simul release.. and it has the look of a Compsci student programming in Visual C++ and using MS APIs and then expecting it to compile on an HP/UX aCC environment. This could very well be an honest mistake.. but the mere fact that they "planned" to have a simul release but apparently didn't even start coding until two weeks before the windows release is.. at very least, unethical, and very most.. illegal.
That $500 each thing is an urban legend. There are no laws that really do that federally, and many of his servers are over seas anyway.. in places where the US government has no control.
What's really amusing is that in many cases and cities, that would be perfectly legal. You can sit on a public property (a sidewalk) unless an ordinance is in play that disallows it.
Why would someone want to run an emulation of a shaky OS? (Yes, Wine is an emulation in practice.. no matter what it's called).
If it crashes under Linux/Wine but not under Windows.. how would this win Linux people?
Linux's first goal is to get some advocates who aren't worse FUD spreaders than Microsoft. We scare users away, okay? We don't attract people, we SCARE THEM FAR AWAY.
It also has remote access. It has many things that you say it doesn't have. Please don't spread FUD to try to win this silly little war you think you're fighting.
The fact is, A unified desktop is necessary for the masses. You hang out with Linux users and think that therefore all computer users think like you. The fact is, the majority of computer users find Linux users asanine jerks who need to get out more. We're NOT the majority here.
Magnwa
Re:What is the patent number?
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Layoffs at WotC
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Odd.. they must have revoked it or removed their application. I remember it was one of the main reasons WHY the levelling and experience points were removed from the D20 rules set. Nice Feint, WOTC. They wanted people to "license" the use of those things, or to buy the PHB (and soon, D20 Modern) to handle character advancement. D20 really is nothing more than a way for WOTC to control an entire series of genres without having to PAY for it.
Give me a break.. the OGL is not as open as people would think, and the D20 license is worse than an EULA . You know that WOTC has patented "Levelling up" right? They've got freaking patents on character development through levelling.
I live in Nashville (Well.. Murfreesboro). I've scanned most all the local websites, including NashvilleSuperSpeedway.com. Nothing. Not one word of this thing. So.. can someone tell me why this thing would be happening but NONE of the local news agencies would say a thing about it?
Wrong. Netscape GOLD cost $40. Netscape Naviagator did not. I never paid for my copy of Netscape, and remember QUITE clearly when ISPs gave out discs that had either Netscape or IE on them.
Netscape screwed up when they sat back and bitched about Microsoft.
Here's how it is. You don't stop moving in this field or you'll get squished. Microsoft kept moving. Sun didn't. Netscape didn't. Now they're squished. AOL kept moving. They made it big. So did the cable comapnies that have jumped into the cablemodem biz. They're surviving quite well (for the most part) with microsoft in the mix.
It's working right NOW. Communism worked initially too.. in fact, it worked so well that many other nations considered it. (And took it on.) It was only after a little bit of time that people started to notice it didn't work well in the long run.
2. The GPL might not survive a court test. As a legal document, it is extremely restrictive, and courts tend to dislike legal documents with viral language.
So.. don't think about slapping them with the GPL. It might not be a really good or effective slap.
You do know that every practical real world example of communism has failed, right? That it only works on paper, and that in the real world it's an abject failure.
GNU is more socialist than communist. If it's moving towards communist, then we've got major corruption issues on the way.
While all you guys are screaming "DUH!, FOOLS!'
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Linux Sales Down, But...
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Please take something into account. If this OS generates little to no revenue, how are the people professionally involved with this OS supposed to eat, pay bills, and the like?
It's easy to sit there and say "Well, duh, there's no Revenue.. it's a Free OS."
What's harder is to say how , if it's not gaining revenue, you pay the people who work on it professionally.
Because like it or not, it needs to make SOME money for it to survive.
What can Napster do? What DID Napster do? I mean, really, come on. What kind of property did Napster have that they could create a demand for? Music. Okay, now, what could they have done to make money off of other people's music? Obviously, the only thing would be to charge a subscription per month or per downloaded song or something similar. If they did that, then other filesharers would come along that were free. Napster would lose market share. The point is, Napster was dead from the start , just like most the other dotbombs, because Napster did not have a viable way to make money. It doesn't matter what the DMCA did. It doesn't! Even without the DMCA , Napster wouldn't have made it long before they died a bloody and painful death. That's the way it is.
But.. on the flip side.. if it is preinstalled, it must come with the original materials if you still have them. In the case of OEM software (recovery disks, etc) , legally by the sales agreement of the computer and the EULA (it's in both) , the media must accompany the hardware.
That's preinstalled, though.. like Dell, Gateway, etc.
Except in the US, it IS a legal requirement. The EULA licenses the software for the machine, not the user. The law stipulates that you must provide the following when you give/sell a computer:
An OS The EULA the OS is under The Certificate validating the EULA and OS as legal. Media for that OS (commonly referred to as "the restore disk")
Go ahead.. order something from VA Linux.. or a computer from Penguin computing. They almost ALWAYS (and they have to) send you a copy of the OS installed on the machine. It's the LAW.
Actually.. Federal and state laws within the united states state that all computer equipment must come with original media in the sale. Same things go with transportation vehicles, major appliances, etc. So.. heh.. that might be a legal thing.
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First off.. let me tackle some of their "response points"
1. A product that is not commercial can still violate trademark. (Cite: www.uspto.gov)
2. LG stated that , in issue #8, they were going to e under the management of the SSC crew. Management implies content rights.
3. They state in their response that they feel a trademark does not exist. It does. It definately does. This can be checked at www.uspto.gov.
Whining like little brats will not solve the problem, and will only create more. LinuxGazette.net's response states that they will not change the name if they are forced to give up the domain, and that implies that they are perfectly willing to confuse the public about which is the real LG.
Trademark holder wins.
When kids, as they are being arrested, say they got the idea from Grand Theft Auto, and that they didn't think it'd hurt anyone because in GTA simply shooting a car doesn't always kill the occupants.. then I have to wonder why this game is marketed towards children.
Yes, we can blame the parents. The guns should not have been accessible. Yes, we can blame them for buying the game...
But who here really thinks that GTA 3 isn't marketed towards kids?
Jarrod
Mostly because if they did that, it means they are invalidating the GPL. The GPL says that SCO has every right to sell binary kernels so long as the source is made available. And, also, you cannot just remove lines of code from one licensee under the GPL. They'd have to remove it from all or none. Equal protection. Jarrod
It seems to me that this entire position paper will get thrown out as it is talking about SCO OpenServer. SCO's suit contends that the infractions occurred with UnixWare.
J
What IDIOT thought this would be a good idea? JEEZE!
CDRROM. So when I install the game, if I have a CD Writer/Combo Drive, it writes on the CDR portion that I've installed it, and, oh, by the way, this is my system specs and other such info and here's some other stuff...
OR!
Wait.. we could also do this! Limited play games! We could make it so (since it IS CDR-ROM) that our users can only play a game.. oh.. 100 times! Or once they beat the game , they can't play it again! Or we can throw keys onto it and block against copying of anytype.
Sorry.. I'm not sold on this.
magnwa
Except that RAD made it clear in advance that it was out. It was more like Rabid Linux Users went to RAD, found the link and the such.. and told RAD that bioware was using them and lying. RAD made it public that they had these things, and then bioware had to backpedel dramatically.
I mean.. come on.. Do you really think a company that paid for a license to use APIS didn't know what platforms those APIs ran on? Are you stating that we are waiting for a game made by a company with coders, buyers, and planners THAT utterly inept?
Magnwa
Hey StarTux :)
.. at very least, unethical, and very most.. illegal.
I'm over on the linuxgames.com site as well, I usually post as an anon because my work doesn't like me logging in to any sites. Silly job. Any who.. I used to be a bioware apologist.. but even you have to admit this is weird. When you do a project , you scope it out and design it in before you code. They planned for simul release. Note, I didn't say promise.. just planned. But from how it appears now, they did little to no coding on the linux client during the windows programming. Doesn't that seem a bit odd? Now we find out that not only did they not do much programming, that they didn't know if the sound system would work, nor the movies system.. this is after having problems with the networing, the graphics, the controllers, and the scripting engines, in that order? See.. what gets us pissed is the fact that this is supposed to be a simul release.. and it has the look of a Compsci student programming in Visual C++ and using MS APIs and then expecting it to compile on an HP/UX aCC environment. This could very well be an honest mistake.. but the mere fact that they "planned" to have a simul release but apparently didn't even start coding until two weeks before the windows release is
Magnwa
Washington law holds no weight in Michigan. Fair Fatih and Credit allows the self jurisdiction of states and a judicial soverignty.
That $500 each thing is an urban legend. There are no laws that really do that federally, and many of his servers are over seas anyway.. in places where the US government has no control.
What's really amusing is that in many cases and cities, that would be perfectly legal. You can sit on a public property (a sidewalk) unless an ordinance is in play that disallows it.
Oh.. also..
Why would someone want to run an emulation of a shaky OS? (Yes, Wine is an emulation in practice.. no matter what it's called).
If it crashes under Linux/Wine but not under Windows.. how would this win Linux people?
Linux's first goal is to get some advocates who aren't worse FUD spreaders than Microsoft. We scare users away, okay? We don't attract people, we SCARE THEM FAR AWAY.
Magnwa
Windows XP offers multiple desktops.
Windows XP has session management
It also has remote access. It has many things that you say it doesn't have. Please don't spread FUD to try to win this silly little war you think you're fighting.
The fact is, A unified desktop is necessary for the masses. You hang out with Linux users and think that therefore all computer users think like you. The fact is, the majority of computer users find Linux users asanine jerks who need to get out more. We're NOT the majority here.
Magnwa
Odd.. they must have revoked it or removed their application. I remember it was one of the main reasons WHY the levelling and experience points were removed from the D20 rules set. Nice Feint, WOTC. They wanted people to "license" the use of those things, or to buy the PHB (and soon, D20 Modern) to handle character advancement. D20 really is nothing more than a way for WOTC to control an entire series of genres without having to PAY for it.
Now it looks like the Star Wars world is gone.
No.. they own a patent on levelling up, and then disallow use of levelling in the D20 GL.
Give me a break.. the OGL is not as open as people would think, and the D20 license is worse than an EULA . You know that WOTC has patented "Levelling up" right? They've got freaking patents on character development through levelling.
I live in Nashville (Well.. Murfreesboro). I've scanned most all the local websites, including NashvilleSuperSpeedway.com. Nothing. Not one word of this thing. So.. can someone tell me why this thing would be happening but NONE of the local news agencies would say a thing about it?
I smell a hoax.
I think I'll call the speedway.
Wrong. Netscape GOLD cost $40. Netscape Naviagator did not. I never paid for my copy of Netscape, and remember QUITE clearly when ISPs gave out discs that had either Netscape or IE on them.
Netscape screwed up when they sat back and bitched about Microsoft.
Here's how it is. You don't stop moving in this field or you'll get squished. Microsoft kept moving. Sun didn't. Netscape didn't. Now they're squished. AOL kept moving. They made it big. So did the cable comapnies that have jumped into the cablemodem biz. They're surviving quite well (for the most part) with microsoft in the mix.
You stop moving. YOU GET SQUISHED.
It's working right NOW. Communism worked initially too.. in fact, it worked so well that many other nations considered it. (And took it on.) It was only after a little bit of time that people started to notice it didn't work well in the long run.
Two problems:
1. The GPL has not been tested in court.
2. The GPL might not survive a court test. As a legal document, it is extremely restrictive, and courts tend to dislike legal documents with viral language.
So.. don't think about slapping them with the GPL. It might not be a really good or effective slap.
You do know that every practical real world example of communism has failed, right? That it only works on paper, and that in the real world it's an abject failure.
GNU is more socialist than communist. If it's moving towards communist, then we've got major corruption issues on the way.
Please take something into account. If this OS generates little to no revenue, how are the people professionally involved with this OS supposed to eat, pay bills, and the like?
It's easy to sit there and say "Well, duh, there's no Revenue.. it's a Free OS."
What's harder is to say how , if it's not gaining revenue, you pay the people who work on it professionally.
Because like it or not, it needs to make SOME money for it to survive.
Somewhere.
What can Napster do? What DID Napster do? I mean, really, come on. What kind of property did Napster have that they could create a demand for? Music. Okay, now, what could they have done to make money off of other people's music? Obviously, the only thing would be to charge a subscription per month or per downloaded song or something similar. If they did that, then other filesharers would come along that were free. Napster would lose market share. The point is, Napster was dead from the start , just like most the other dotbombs, because Napster did not have a viable way to make money. It doesn't matter what the DMCA did. It doesn't! Even without the DMCA , Napster wouldn't have made it long before they died a bloody and painful death. That's the way it is.
Mags
That's actually what I said too :)
But.. on the flip side.. if it is preinstalled, it must come with the original materials if you still have them. In the case of OEM software (recovery disks, etc) , legally by the sales agreement of the computer and the EULA (it's in both) , the media must accompany the hardware.
That's preinstalled, though.. like Dell, Gateway, etc.
Except in the US, it IS a legal requirement. The EULA licenses the software for the machine, not the user. The law stipulates that you must provide the following when you give/sell a computer:
An OS
The EULA the OS is under
The Certificate validating the EULA and OS as legal.
Media for that OS (commonly referred to as "the restore disk")
Go ahead.. order something from VA Linux.. or a computer from Penguin computing. They almost ALWAYS (and they have to) send you a copy of the OS installed on the machine. It's the LAW.
Actually.. Federal and state laws within the united states state that all computer equipment must come with original media in the sale. Same things go with transportation vehicles, major appliances, etc. So.. heh.. that might be a legal thing.