1. often Fascism a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
As a native... I am pretty sure we (the majority) didn't vote for him. Through a series of tricks and covert maneuvers this administration effectively stole both the 2000 and 2004 elections. (see Robert Kennedy Jr's article in Rolling Stone). Now, since these same people now control all 3 branches of our government there isn't much we CAN do, short of rebellion.
I believe we (again, the majority) are angry at what is being done, but the only tool available to change the situation is in the hands of those in charge. What would you suggest we do?
From Wikipedia: Fascism is a radical totalitarian political philosophy that combines elements of corporatism, authoritarianism, extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-anarchism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism.
Check ebay for the old school sets of just track, the loop, and a couple of ramps. I just found the set from '74 and it was only $20 (+$10 for shipping). I got it for my 2 year old, but really... It's for me.
Well done! Do you have a comparison of the spreadsheets. Using something other than Word is easy (I hate Word). But XL I will have a hard time breaking away from unless I see some convincing eveidence. I did here google was working on a spreadsheet.
Although, it's hard to determine when Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker was really a hero, as opposed to being just a really big whiner.
I laughed when I saw this, but really, Old Darth did father Luke, who is hands down the most petulant character ever. Then when I thought about this, it occurred to me that Darth is a bad guy with lots of power, so he has probably spread his seed to the farthest reaches of the galaxy. Which means that saying {"_insert name here_, I am your father" is no big deal. I am sure there are Darth bastards all over the universe.
Using the USPS is not a private act. It is just a nice thing the Gov't does when they _DON'T_ view the contents of your package. If you really want your package delivered privately, you will have to hire a private currier that you can trust and even then you have no idea if it remains private after the currier leaves your sight. I think this is a good thing and could possibly help to make the postal system more secure, especially if it is stated that your picture will be taken. Several postal workers got very sick (or died) after the anthrax messages were sent. I don't blame them for being more proactive in their big brother-ishness.
Sorry. Emotional ties to this discussion have caused me to be cranky. I shouldn't call you a sheep. (and we are both stubburn, and there is nothing wrong with that) I apologize. You are right though, this isn't going anywhere. I like the kind of beer you drink.;-] Cheers
Finally...a recent Article that is about what Duelfer really found: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic les/A121 15-2004Oct6.html
Hussein, the report concluded, "aspired to develop a nuclear capability" and intended to work on rebuilding chemical and biological weapons after persuading the United Nations to lift sanctions. But the report also notes:
"The former regime had no formal written strategy or plan for the revival of WMD after sanctions. Neither was there an identifiable group of WMD policy makers or planners separate from Saddam" tasked to take this up once sanctions ended.
But I know you won't believe this or anything since you stubburnly follow some belief that even going in to Iraq was a good idea. Meanwhile more of our soldiers die every day, billions of American dollars are spent every day (when they could be used to bolster our own lousy security), more innocent Iraqis die and other countries are probably bidding on any thing that was there because our leaders failed to secure it.
Go on believing the lies of this administratin if you want... personally, I choose to question authority instead of being a sheep.
Ok...one more. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3068560/ (also a year old, but it seems this is OLD NEWS)
Some of the lapses are frightening. The well-known Al Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Center, about 12 miles south of Baghdad, had nearly two tons of partially enriched uranium, along with significant quantities of highly radioactive medical and industrial isotopes, when International Atomic Energy Agency officials made their last visit in January. By the time U.S. troops arrived in early April, armed guards were holding off looters--but the Americans only disarmed the guards, Al Tuwaitha department heads told NEWSWEEK. "We told them, 'This site is out of control. You have to take care of it'," says Munther Ibrahim, Al Tuwaitha's head of plasma physics. "The soldiers said, 'We are a small group. We cannot take control of this site'." As soon as the Americans left, looters broke in. The staff fled; when they returned, the containment vaults' seals had been broken, and radioactive material was everywhere.
The real question is... Where is this stuff now? I am guessing downtown NYC.
I should also point out that your first link is from November 10, 2002. BEFORE we invaded. Nothing has been found. If it was there, it has been well hidden or moved out of the country. Until it IS found (or you can produce some legitimate links) I won't believe otherwise.
Ok... How about this: (more than a year old, and nothing has been found) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/300 9082.stm
About 1.8 metric tons of "yellow cake" and 500 tons of unrefined uranium went missing as the Iraqis left Tuwaitha unattended during the war.
SO... Apparently it WAS there. But it isn't anymore. I think this may be even worse than not finding it, since it was known to be there and then allowed to be looted. I mean, WTF? Did we just ignore this? I will say it again...This administration has made some pretty serious mistakes, but allowing tons of enriched uranium to go "missing" is beyond pathetic. I guess it is hard to do the right thing when you have Oil and dollar signs clouding your vision.
And in the Independent, Wissam al-Zahawi, the Iraqi diplomat the British claimed tried to buy Saddam uranium from Africa, has come forward completely denying it. He also didn't know of any Iraqi representative visiting Niger since then. Add that to Joseph Wilson's story, and it's pretty clear there was no credible evidence Iraq was trying to buy uranium from Africa.
Here is one from the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/305 6626. stm
Doubts about a claim that Iraq had tried to buy uranium from the African state of Niger were aired 10 months before Mr Bush included the allegation in his key State of the Union address this year, a CIA official has told the BBC.
On Tuesday, the White House for the first time officially acknowledged that the Niger claim was wrong and suggested it should not have been used in the president's State of the Union speech in January.
Given the fact that the report on the yellow cake did not turn out to be accurate, that is reflective of the president's broader statement
White House spokesman Ari Fleischer
Uranium row in quotes But the CIA official has said that a former US diplomat had already established the claim was false in March 2002 - and that the information had been passed on to government departments, including the White House, well before Mr Bush mentioned it in the speech.
Here is a good one: http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070903A.shtm l
The Bush administration acknowledged for the first time yesterday that President Bush should not have alleged in his State of the Union address in January that Iraq had sought to buy uranium in Africa to reconstitute its nuclear weapons program.
You have fallen for a lie just like the rest of the world.
The 9/11 commission WMD report: http://www.ceip.org/files/pdf/Iraq3FullTe xt.pdf Excerpt:
Iraq's WMD programs represented a long-term threat that could not be ignored.
They did not, however, pose an immediate threat to the United States, to the region, or to global security. (p. 47)
With respect to nuclear and chemical weapons, the extent of the threat was largely knowable at the time. (p. 47) 1) Iraq's nuclear program had been dismantled and there was no convincing evidence of its reconstitution. (p. 47) 2) Regarding chemical weapons, UNSCOM discovered that Iraqi nerve agents had lost most of their lethality as early as 1991. Operations Desert Storm and Desert Fox, and UN inspections and sanctions effectively destroyed Iraq's large-scale chemical weapon production capabilities. For both reasons, it appears that thereafter Iraq focused on preserving a latent, dual-use capability, rather than on weapons production. (p. 47-48)
The uncertainties were much greater with regard to biological weapons. However, the real threat lay in what could be achieved in the future rather than in what had been produced in the past or existed in the present. (p. 48)
The biological weapons program may also have been converted to dual-use facilities designed to quickly start weapons production in time of war, rather than making and storing these weapons in advance. (p. 48)
All findings amounted to threats in the FUTURE, if Saddam had any ability to accomplish these things. He was under strict sanctions and watched carefully by weapons inspectors and was not able to easily get the materials he needed to start up these programs. Meanwhile, IRAN and N.KOREA _do_ have the materials and have these programs.
Here is an analysis from Free Press (www.freepress.net) founder Robert McChesney on the role our media played in the election and a preview for what lies ahead.
This election was marked by a staggering amount of voter ignorance. Polls show that voters -- especially Bush supporters -- were grossly misinformed about their candidate's position on a broad range of issues. Surveying supporters of the President, a University of Maryland PIPA/ Knowledge Networks poll found:
72% still believe that there were WMD's in Iraq. 75% believe that Iraq was providing substantial support for Al Qaeda. 66% believe that Bush supports participation in the International Criminal Court. 72% believe that he supports the treaty banning land mines. The catch? None of these statements are true.
Now... in light of this, you can say that yes, the president may have been elected fairly, but was he elected justly? The best thing the Dems could do at this point is to inform the misinformed, because the only way the republicans can win is to mislead and use fear as a tactic. Let's see, who else uses fear as a weapon? I know... TERRORISTS.
Sigh... 1)Having and using WMDs 10+ years ago does not give the right to invade today or last year. Where are the WMDs now? How come we haven't found ANY or any facilities to develop them? Was Saddam a genius and has carefully hidden them? doubtful... Did he sell them to other countries? Maybe... but then we should be going after those countries, right?
2)Saying you liked what someone did, after they did it, is not support. (other than moral support, which I don't think counts.) It is not monetary and it is not aiding.
3)I am sure there would have been competition for the contract that Halliburton got. Are you saying that NO company could do what they did so poorly. Hello, this is America and our whole economy is based on competition and we have laws against monopolies. Although I don't know _who_ could have done it, I am positive that someone would have liked to have had the chance. The fact that they are still there only proves that a few billion $$ missing is no big deal to this administration (gotta line someone's pockets)
4)Civilian Intelligence contractors assigned by the CIA were in charge of interrogations at Abu Graib. They made the calls and yet the soldiers will get punished. Don't you watch the news?
5)This is a doozie! "As far as "the same thing happens all the time here in the USA", there were more deaths from murder last year in the USA than all of the military deaths in Iraq over the course the Iraq War. Your distinction is Military, I am counting ALL the deaths caused by this war. Based on this site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countr ies_by_ population Our population is 290,342,554 According to this site: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur _cap We (USA) have 0.03 murders per 1000 people. So... (290,342,554 / 1000)*.04 = 11,613.70 Which is about 1 TENTH of what is estimated to be the minimun number deaths in IRAQ!
6) So... you changed your tone about Clinton. Now it is some other dude who wasn't available. "What precisely and with whom Clinton was with at the time has remained a classified subject." You said he was getting blown at the time, but now say you don't really know.
So, basically I can assume from all this that you are willing to say just about anyting to prove your point.
Hey, why not, the election was just won doing the exact same thing. (and of course, the other tactic is to accuse your opponent of doing exactly what you have done to put them on the defensive) And once again, you point out something that is of questionable validity (launch codes) and then refer to something petty that Clinton did (out run SS, (who really cares, if he gets abducted any codes he knows get changed immediately, so it his own problem)) to prove a point. And my point of this whole discussion is that Clinton may have done some stupid things, but no one died because of them. His actions were trivial compared to what this POTUS is getting away with... mainly because the sheep believe he is the messiah, which he just ISN'T.
I didn't call anyone names and what untruths do you speak of? (wait, I did say the current POTUS was a fool, and I believe he is) This administration told the _world_ that Saddam had WMDs, HE DIDN'T! This Administration told the _world_ that Saddam had ties to Al Qeada, HE DIDN'T. They lied to us all, invaded a country that wasn't a threat, gave a multi-billion dollar no-bid contract to a company closely tied to the VP who then LOST a few billion dollars and is under investigation and yet still gets paid, went in unprepared to do the job and had no plan to finish the job, then tell us all that things are going swimmingly while we hear more atrocities every day, some of which are committed by our own troops, who are taking orders from civillian authorities who will never be punished, then proclaim that they have earned our trust and deserve their position. They have divided the country (proven by this very conversation) and lost our trust and deserve to be put in prison. And you think all of that is just peachy? WTF?
As far as "the same thing happens all the time here in the USA"... Where are you gettng your information from? People aren't blowing themselves up in crowds here and hostage situations are rare. Very rare. If it does happen it is a domestic issue and not terrorism.
I do not believe that Clinton was "Unavailable" when they caught OBL, or that they even caught him. If they did... why is he still free? He has been wanted since before Clinton got blown. Are you saying that because the POTUS was busy they just let him go?!?! That is just silly. Please point me to the source of your info... I would really like to read it. Is it in the fiction section?
Ya know...invoking the Clinton Blow job is just ignorant. Do you really believe that getting blown in the OO is worse than say: Misleading the world about the war WE were going to START. That will eventually cost billions of American dollars, thousands of american lives, 100,000+ Iraq lives? It wasn't like we were under attack while the president was "dicking around." And yet he was impeached for it.
It sickens me that it is more outrageous to most of this country that one president got blown and lied while another misleads, and takes us to war for no good reason, when there are far more dangerous and evil countries out there, gets many of our soldiers killed and kills many innocent bystanders, and costs our country BILLIONS of dollars all to justify lining his and his buddies pockets with bloody oil money. Half of this country is so misinformed about what is really going on that they are DUMB enough to elect this fool again. He sat on his ASS while we got attacked and you care more about a guy cheating on his wife during peacetime. What the hell is wrong with your version of reality, I don't know, but it appears to be contageous. You and your ilk make me sick!
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What really boils blood is when the single passenger douche goes slow as ass in the HOV lane.
Your post is still there:o ld=1&commentsort=3&mode=thread&cid=15755606
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=191800&thresh
It got modded down to zero as a troll. (unfairly I believe)
Some folks are touchy about being criticized by... non-Americans, I guess.
Ok, how about this from THE DICTIONARY:
1. often Fascism a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/wa s_the_2004_election_stolen
As a native...
I am pretty sure we (the majority) didn't vote for him.
Through a series of tricks and covert maneuvers this administration effectively stole both the 2000 and 2004 elections. (see Robert Kennedy Jr's article in Rolling Stone).
Now, since these same people now control all 3 branches of our government there isn't much we CAN do, short of rebellion.
I believe we (again, the majority) are angry at what is being done, but the only tool available to change the situation is in the hands of those in charge.
What would you suggest we do?
From Wikipedia:
Fascism is a radical totalitarian political philosophy that combines elements of corporatism, authoritarianism, extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-anarchism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism.
Check ebay for the old school sets of just track, the loop, and a couple of ramps.
I just found the set from '74 and it was only $20 (+$10 for shipping). I got it for my 2 year old, but really... It's for me.
Well done!
Do you have a comparison of the spreadsheets.
Using something other than Word is easy (I hate Word). But XL I will have a hard time breaking away from unless I see some convincing eveidence.
I did here google was working on a spreadsheet.
I laughed when I saw this, but really, Old Darth did father Luke, who is hands down the most petulant character ever. Then when I thought about this, it occurred to me that Darth is a bad guy with lots of power, so he has probably spread his seed to the farthest reaches of the galaxy. Which means that saying {"_insert name here_, I am your father" is no big deal. I am sure there are Darth bastards all over the universe.
And how much time is taken off while posting on /.? ;-]
For some of these folks, _that_ is a full time job.
I thought they were referring to this:
http://www.wingtunes.com/public/samples.aspx
He had to have done something that made him in the spotlight in some way before that I would assume?
He looked good in a bow tie.
...is that I know nothing.
That is what I believe in. Nothing.
Using the USPS is not a private act. It is just a nice thing the Gov't does when they _DON'T_ view the contents of your package. If you really want your package delivered privately, you will have to hire a private currier that you can trust and even then you have no idea if it remains private after the currier leaves your sight.
I think this is a good thing and could possibly help to make the postal system more secure, especially if it is stated that your picture will be taken. Several postal workers got very sick (or died) after the anthrax messages were sent. I don't blame them for being more proactive in their big brother-ishness.
Sorry. ;-]
Emotional ties to this discussion have caused me to be cranky.
I shouldn't call you a sheep. (and we are both stubburn, and there is nothing wrong with that)
I apologize.
You are right though, this isn't going anywhere.
I like the kind of beer you drink.
Cheers
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/arti
But I know you won't believe this or anything since you stubburnly follow some belief that even going in to Iraq was a good idea. Meanwhile more of our soldiers die every day, billions of American dollars are spent every day (when they could be used to bolster our own lousy security), more innocent Iraqis die and other countries are probably bidding on any thing that was there because our leaders failed to secure it.
Go on believing the lies of this administratin if you want... personally, I choose to question authority instead of being a sheep.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3068560/
(also a year old, but it seems this is OLD NEWS)
The real question is... Where is this stuff now?
I am guessing downtown NYC.
I should also point out that your first link is from November 10, 2002. BEFORE we invaded.
Nothing has been found. If it was there, it has been well hidden or moved out of the country.
Until it IS found (or you can produce some legitimate links) I won't believe otherwise.
How about this: (more than a year old, and nothing has been found)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/30
SO... Apparently it WAS there. But it isn't anymore. I think this may be even worse than not finding it, since it was known to be there and then allowed to be looted.
I mean, WTF? Did we just ignore this?
I will say it again...This administration has made some pretty serious mistakes, but allowing tons of enriched uranium to go "missing" is beyond pathetic. I guess it is hard to do the right thing when you have Oil and dollar signs clouding your vision.
Here is one from the BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/30
Here is a good one:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/070903A.sht
You have fallen for a lie just like the rest of the world.
http://www.ceip.org/files/pdf/Iraq3FullT
Excerpt:
All findings amounted to threats in the FUTURE, if Saddam had any ability to accomplish these things. He was under strict sanctions and watched carefully by weapons inspectors and was not able to easily get the materials he needed to start up these programs.
Meanwhile, IRAN and N.KOREA _do_ have the materials and have these programs.
Your reply only proves my point, thank you.
Now... in light of this, you can say that yes, the president may have been elected fairly, but was he elected justly?
The best thing the Dems could do at this point is to inform the misinformed, because the only way the republicans can win is to mislead and use fear as a tactic. Let's see, who else uses fear as a weapon? I know... TERRORISTS.
Sigh...
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1)Having and using WMDs 10+ years ago does not give the right to invade today or last year. Where are the WMDs now? How come we haven't found ANY or any facilities to develop them? Was Saddam a genius and has carefully hidden them? doubtful... Did he sell them to other countries? Maybe... but then we should be going after those countries, right?
2)Saying you liked what someone did, after they did it, is not support. (other than moral support, which I don't think counts.) It is not monetary and it is not aiding.
3)I am sure there would have been competition for the contract that Halliburton got. Are you saying that NO company could do what they did so poorly. Hello, this is America and our whole economy is based on competition and we have laws against monopolies. Although I don't know _who_ could have done it, I am positive that someone would have liked to have had the chance.
The fact that they are still there only proves that a few billion $$ missing is no big deal to this administration (gotta line someone's pockets)
4)Civilian Intelligence contractors assigned by the CIA were in charge of interrogations at Abu Graib. They made the calls and yet the soldiers will get punished. Don't you watch the news?
5)This is a doozie! "As far as "the same thing happens all the time here in the USA", there were more deaths from murder last year in the USA than all of the military deaths in Iraq over the course the Iraq War.
Your distinction is Military, I am counting ALL the deaths caused by this war.
Based on this site:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count
Our population is 290,342,554
According to this site:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mu
We (USA) have 0.03 murders per 1000 people.
So... (290,342,554 / 1000)*.04 = 11,613.70
Which is about 1 TENTH of what is estimated to be the minimun number deaths in IRAQ!
6) So... you changed your tone about Clinton. Now it is some other dude who wasn't available.
"What precisely and with whom Clinton was with at the time has remained a classified subject."
You said he was getting blown at the time, but now say you don't really know.
So, basically I can assume from all this that you are willing to say just about anyting to prove your point.
Hey, why not, the election was just won doing the exact same thing. (and of course, the other tactic is to accuse your opponent of doing exactly what you have done to put them on the defensive)
And once again, you point out something that is of questionable validity (launch codes) and then refer to something petty that Clinton did (out run SS, (who really cares, if he gets abducted any codes he knows get changed immediately, so it his own problem)) to prove a point.
And my point of this whole discussion is that Clinton may have done some stupid things, but no one died because of them.
His actions were trivial compared to what this POTUS is getting away with... mainly because the sheep believe he is the messiah, which he just ISN'T.
I didn't call anyone names and what untruths do you speak of? (wait, I did say the current POTUS was a fool, and I believe he is)
This administration told the _world_ that Saddam had WMDs, HE DIDN'T!
This Administration told the _world_ that Saddam had ties to Al Qeada, HE DIDN'T.
They lied to us all, invaded a country that wasn't a threat, gave a multi-billion dollar no-bid contract to a company closely tied to the VP who then LOST a few billion dollars and is under investigation and yet still gets paid, went in unprepared to do the job and had no plan to finish the job, then tell us all that things are going swimmingly while we hear more atrocities every day, some of which are committed by our own troops, who are taking orders from civillian authorities who will never be punished, then proclaim that they have earned our trust and deserve their position.
They have divided the country (proven by this very conversation) and lost our trust and deserve to be put in prison.
And you think all of that is just peachy? WTF?
As far as "the same thing happens all the time here in the USA"...
Where are you gettng your information from? People aren't blowing themselves up in crowds here and hostage situations are rare. Very rare. If it does happen it is a domestic issue and not terrorism.
I do not believe that Clinton was "Unavailable" when they caught OBL, or that they even caught him. If they did... why is he still free? He has been wanted since before Clinton got blown. Are you saying that because the POTUS was busy they just let him go?!?! That is just silly.
Please point me to the source of your info... I would really like to read it. Is it in the fiction section?
Ya know...invoking the Clinton Blow job is just ignorant.
Do you really believe that getting blown in the OO is worse than say:
Misleading the world about the war WE were going to START. That will eventually cost billions of American dollars, thousands of american lives, 100,000+ Iraq lives?
It wasn't like we were under attack while the president was "dicking around." And yet he was impeached for it.
It sickens me that it is more outrageous to most of this country that one president got blown and lied while another misleads, and takes us to war for no good reason, when there are far more dangerous and evil countries out there, gets many of our soldiers killed and kills many innocent bystanders, and costs our country BILLIONS of dollars all to justify lining his and his buddies pockets with bloody oil money.
Half of this country is so misinformed about what is really going on that they are DUMB enough to elect this fool again.
He sat on his ASS while we got attacked and you care more about a guy cheating on his wife during peacetime. What the hell is wrong with your version of reality, I don't know, but it appears to be contageous. You and your ilk make me sick!