"and you do not adapt your interactions with them to try to avoid this from happening"
I said it was illogical, I never said that I would tell them that to their face.
"How do you expect to sell somebody on the idea that what you're proposing to them will result in them being treated better, if you won't even show them a basic level of respect"
When did I do this? Same as above. I wouldn't say it directly to them, but I would still believe it.
"being a complainy-pants won't achieve anything"
Uh, that was just an example. A better example would be to purposely break idiotic laws to show how foolish they are.
"What people need to wake up to is that democracy doesn't start and stop at election times"
It never began. If the government can take any sort of action without the consent of the people that affects them, that type of 'democracy' is as good as useless.
"Every pound, or dollar, is a vote, and it's up to you who you give it to"
This I agree with. This is why if I really want something made by a giant corrupt corporations, I pirate it instead of rewarding them with my money.
"You have to get them to stop supporting evil"
Nearly impossible in many situations. How can I stop so many people from buying things from these corporations? Look at the number of people that continue to buy these DRM-infested games and even go so far as to defend them and say that it is that way because of piracy, so that justifies them ripping off the actual customers while the pirates remain largely unaffected.
"You can blame the government or expect the government to deal with these issues all you like"
I don't expect the government to do anything, they're corporate tools. I expect people to do something, as that's the only way things will get done.
"But nonetheless, when you already approach an argument about their Operating Systems with an added bias about the company"
Uh, that has little to do with anything. I don't want to give them my money because Microsoft not give you many reasons to upgrade besides incompatibility problems later on with these such as DirectX. If there's some sort of groundbreaking feature in Windows 7 that you think I should upgrade for, please, let me know.
"significantly extra protections added in Vista/7"
Yeah, and for the most part, they're not needed for someone who knows what they're doing (admittedly, that's not many people).
"You could be the most vigilant person in the world and you can still get a virus loaded onto your system."
Unless the fault is in the OS, I don't see that happening. Even then, an antivirus should protect you from most viruses that somehow manage to slip through (I've had none, but just in case).
"Particularly if you use IE"
There's one mistake already. As I said, knowledgeable.
"and you cannot assume "perfect" security by simply only visiting sites you think are safe (though it does help)."
No, you can't. Including with Windows 7. If an antivirus combined with sufficient knowledge can't protect you (highly unlikely), I doubt that Windows 7 could do so, either.
I saved a few hundred dollars by building it myself (as well as saved myself from having to remove bloatware and allowing me to pick the specific parts that I wanted).
Yeah, they did. However, that may change in time, with everyone being the victims instead of just a specific group.
"People will not willingly be "saved" by people who look down on them."
Yet another stubborn attitude. "That guy called me a mean name so anything he says is instantly wrong!" I know that most people are like this, and that it's simply illogical.
"But that's a tough sell for people with families for example"
No, it isn't. No one is asking these people to forever abandon their families and go fight a war or something, they ask them to spend a small amount of their time realizing the problems, educating people of said problems, and taking action to fix said problems (protesting, for example, won't take up all or even a majority of their time).
"If you're willing to just pirate it you have no say in the matter, you're an idiot"
Why? Can't say I didn't see that coming, but, why?
"I've seen a substantial drop in requests from people regarding viruses by having moved to Vista/7 over the years"
That's because most people don't know how to use a computer in the first place. With knowledge you can avoid nearly all viruses, and with an antivirus you can likely avoid the rest (a good one).
Another reason is because Windows 7 doesn't really add any groundbreaking features that make it 'crucial' or highly beneficial for you to upgrade, just some pretty small ones.
"It seems to me that what will happen is that the main driver of increasing the market share will be new computers with Windows 7 pre-installs"
It's a shame that more people don't just build their own computers and save money, rather than buying a pre-built with pre-installed garbage (software and such, that is). As for Windows 7, there's simply no groundbreaking reason(s) for people to upgrade.
There's absolutely no reason for me to upgrade that I see. Windows XP does what I need, and Windows 7 isn't some sort of groundbreaking technology. It hardly adds anything new to the table! Now, if you're just starting out and happen to get Windows 7 on a computer that you buy, that's fine. I'm not saying I hate Windows 7, I'm just saying that there's really no groundbreaking reasons for people to upgrade (and I've seen many people claim that there are). If I do have to upgrade because of compatibility reasons eventually (like for directx), I certainly won't reward Microsoft with my money and obtain Windows 7 through other means.
"And so is your bullshit about piracy being equal to theft."
It's not "bullshit" at all! We all know that you support the theft of profit that only exists in the future of an alternate dimension where the artist/business made more money (this is evidenced by the fact that you didn't run out and buy every available product in existence, which, if you did, the artists and businesses would have had more money).
"Theft requires that someone be deprived of something"
They are being deprived of something. Obviously, they're being deprived of profit (not just any money, but the pirates own money) that only exists in the future of an alternate dimension where the artist/business made more money (which is potential profit). Understand, now?
"So while "legal" DRM measures can't do much beyond saying "you're being naughty, please stop""
I'd say it's more like... "you can't take that course of action with your own software because, from the very start, we've wrongly suspected you of taking actions that we don't approve of!"
Huh. I thought that theft implies that someone was deprived of something. In this example, no one is (well, except for profit that only exists in the future of an alternate dimension where the artist/business made more money, of course).
"Remember, the company itself is merely a fiction and cannot itself be "criminal""
I was saying that everyone who is part of the company is a criminal.
"Anonymous should turn its attention to the individuals who run the company"
I don't know how viable that is against people with a seemingly unlimited supply of money, even if a few of these brainwashed tools (the average citizen) acknowledge the problem.
"Or maybe they've just realized, like me, that it is not fixable."
It is fixable if something is done. The answer isn't to be an indoctrinated tool living out their pointless life. The answer is to either do something yourself, or educate others so they are aware of these problems. If the people don't do something themselves instead of relying on worthless politicians, this corruption will not stop.
"If you think the law doesn't make sense, then consider new politicians."
Right, because I can systematically undo the indoctrination that befell the majority of the population to get them to actually acknowledge the problems. Besides that, such a course of action is completely pointless. The new politician would just be lobbied all the same, and we'd be right back where we started. Unless the government weren't allowed to take actions that affected the people unless the people voted and said that they could take said actions, this corruption will continue.
So, leave it alone. More important things! Let things get far worse? This is the attitude that is destroying us.
"things you can influence."
Want to know why we can't influence these lobbying idiots or the government? It's because of the people in the above examples! They're too caught up in their own little pointless, deluded lives to even acknowledge the problems. If we were united, something could be done about it. I wonder what would have happened if black people had this attitude during the civil rights movement? Oh, right, nothing would have gotten done.
I didn't ignore them, because if you looked at my previous posts, I never said anything about CO2. I merely said that cutting down on pollution (if you think that means pollution, well, you should probably start listening to your own examples) would be a good thing no matter what.
"Maybe I'm missing the point, but I often wish that the developers of some of the big commercial applications for media production would put out Linux versions."
Or, perhaps, someone could... add these missing features to the software?
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"search function"
Sounds small time to me.
"responsive system without disabling the swap file"
Uh, what? I have the swap file disabled, and I'm doing fine. You must have very little ram, or something is very, very wrong.
"and you do not adapt your interactions with them to try to avoid this from happening"
I said it was illogical, I never said that I would tell them that to their face.
"How do you expect to sell somebody on the idea that what you're proposing to them will result in them being treated better, if you won't even show them a basic level of respect"
When did I do this? Same as above. I wouldn't say it directly to them, but I would still believe it.
"being a complainy-pants won't achieve anything"
Uh, that was just an example. A better example would be to purposely break idiotic laws to show how foolish they are.
"What people need to wake up to is that democracy doesn't start and stop at election times"
It never began. If the government can take any sort of action without the consent of the people that affects them, that type of 'democracy' is as good as useless.
"Every pound, or dollar, is a vote, and it's up to you who you give it to"
This I agree with. This is why if I really want something made by a giant corrupt corporations, I pirate it instead of rewarding them with my money.
"You have to get them to stop supporting evil"
Nearly impossible in many situations. How can I stop so many people from buying things from these corporations? Look at the number of people that continue to buy these DRM-infested games and even go so far as to defend them and say that it is that way because of piracy, so that justifies them ripping off the actual customers while the pirates remain largely unaffected.
"You can blame the government or expect the government to deal with these issues all you like"
I don't expect the government to do anything, they're corporate tools. I expect people to do something, as that's the only way things will get done.
How does that harm them, exactly (besides the "potential profit" idiocy)?
"But nonetheless, when you already approach an argument about their Operating Systems with an added bias about the company"
Uh, that has little to do with anything. I don't want to give them my money because Microsoft not give you many reasons to upgrade besides incompatibility problems later on with these such as DirectX. If there's some sort of groundbreaking feature in Windows 7 that you think I should upgrade for, please, let me know.
"significantly extra protections added in Vista/7"
Yeah, and for the most part, they're not needed for someone who knows what they're doing (admittedly, that's not many people).
"You could be the most vigilant person in the world and you can still get a virus loaded onto your system."
Unless the fault is in the OS, I don't see that happening. Even then, an antivirus should protect you from most viruses that somehow manage to slip through (I've had none, but just in case).
"Particularly if you use IE"
There's one mistake already. As I said, knowledgeable.
"and you cannot assume "perfect" security by simply only visiting sites you think are safe (though it does help)."
No, you can't. Including with Windows 7. If an antivirus combined with sufficient knowledge can't protect you (highly unlikely), I doubt that Windows 7 could do so, either.
I saved a few hundred dollars by building it myself (as well as saved myself from having to remove bloatware and allowing me to pick the specific parts that I wanted).
"Well they had it a lot worse to be fair"
Yeah, they did. However, that may change in time, with everyone being the victims instead of just a specific group.
"People will not willingly be "saved" by people who look down on them."
Yet another stubborn attitude. "That guy called me a mean name so anything he says is instantly wrong!" I know that most people are like this, and that it's simply illogical.
"But that's a tough sell for people with families for example"
No, it isn't. No one is asking these people to forever abandon their families and go fight a war or something, they ask them to spend a small amount of their time realizing the problems, educating people of said problems, and taking action to fix said problems (protesting, for example, won't take up all or even a majority of their time).
I meant desktop computers. You have a point there, though.
Hardly. There's really no groundbreaking reasons to upgrade to Windows 7 if Windows XP is working for you.
It is? I managed to save quite a bit of money (a few hundred) building my own computer rather than buying a pre-built one with nearly the same specs.
"If you're willing to just pirate it you have no say in the matter, you're an idiot"
Why? Can't say I didn't see that coming, but, why?
"I've seen a substantial drop in requests from people regarding viruses by having moved to Vista/7 over the years"
That's because most people don't know how to use a computer in the first place. With knowledge you can avoid nearly all viruses, and with an antivirus you can likely avoid the rest (a good one).
Another reason is because Windows 7 doesn't really add any groundbreaking features that make it 'crucial' or highly beneficial for you to upgrade, just some pretty small ones.
"It seems to me that what will happen is that the main driver of increasing the market share will be new computers with Windows 7 pre-installs"
It's a shame that more people don't just build their own computers and save money, rather than buying a pre-built with pre-installed garbage (software and such, that is). As for Windows 7, there's simply no groundbreaking reason(s) for people to upgrade.
There's absolutely no reason for me to upgrade that I see. Windows XP does what I need, and Windows 7 isn't some sort of groundbreaking technology. It hardly adds anything new to the table! Now, if you're just starting out and happen to get Windows 7 on a computer that you buy, that's fine. I'm not saying I hate Windows 7, I'm just saying that there's really no groundbreaking reasons for people to upgrade (and I've seen many people claim that there are). If I do have to upgrade because of compatibility reasons eventually (like for directx), I certainly won't reward Microsoft with my money and obtain Windows 7 through other means.
"And so is your bullshit about piracy being equal to theft."
It's not "bullshit" at all! We all know that you support the theft of profit that only exists in the future of an alternate dimension where the artist/business made more money (this is evidenced by the fact that you didn't run out and buy every available product in existence, which, if you did, the artists and businesses would have had more money).
Or shitty social networking websites, for that matter.
"Theft requires that someone be deprived of something"
They are being deprived of something. Obviously, they're being deprived of profit (not just any money, but the pirates own money) that only exists in the future of an alternate dimension where the artist/business made more money (which is potential profit). Understand, now?
"So while "legal" DRM measures can't do much beyond saying "you're being naughty, please stop""
I'd say it's more like... "you can't take that course of action with your own software because, from the very start, we've wrongly suspected you of taking actions that we don't approve of!"
No, I think the term that you're looking for is "cybercriminal."
Huh. I thought that theft implies that someone was deprived of something. In this example, no one is (well, except for profit that only exists in the future of an alternate dimension where the artist/business made more money, of course).
"Remember, the company itself is merely a fiction and cannot itself be "criminal""
I was saying that everyone who is part of the company is a criminal.
"Anonymous should turn its attention to the individuals who run the company"
I don't know how viable that is against people with a seemingly unlimited supply of money, even if a few of these brainwashed tools (the average citizen) acknowledge the problem.
"Or maybe they've just realized, like me, that it is not fixable."
It is fixable if something is done. The answer isn't to be an indoctrinated tool living out their pointless life. The answer is to either do something yourself, or educate others so they are aware of these problems. If the people don't do something themselves instead of relying on worthless politicians, this corruption will not stop.
"If you think the law doesn't make sense, then consider new politicians."
Right, because I can systematically undo the indoctrination that befell the majority of the population to get them to actually acknowledge the problems. Besides that, such a course of action is completely pointless. The new politician would just be lobbied all the same, and we'd be right back where we started. Unless the government weren't allowed to take actions that affected the people unless the people voted and said that they could take said actions, this corruption will continue.
So, leave it alone. More important things! Let things get far worse? This is the attitude that is destroying us.
"things you can influence."
Want to know why we can't influence these lobbying idiots or the government? It's because of the people in the above examples! They're too caught up in their own little pointless, deluded lives to even acknowledge the problems. If we were united, something could be done about it. I wonder what would have happened if black people had this attitude during the civil rights movement? Oh, right, nothing would have gotten done.
I didn't ignore them, because if you looked at my previous posts, I never said anything about CO2. I merely said that cutting down on pollution (if you think that means pollution, well, you should probably start listening to your own examples) would be a good thing no matter what.
"Maybe I'm missing the point, but I often wish that the developers of some of the big commercial applications for media production would put out Linux versions."
Or, perhaps, someone could... add these missing features to the software?