there's a higher chance of some genetic flaws showing up
So? The baby wouldn't even exist otherwise, so it's not as if it was somehow harmed, and by no means is that even certain. I see where you're going, but I believe "If you don't like it, don't do it." applies either way.
Do you think you are making your own choices when you go shopping?
No, the corporations are guiding my moves with their brainwashing waves. Persuading others and making something look appealing are clearly brainwashing! 100%!
Maybe not, but it does involve them with their peer group.
So does getting them involved with homeschooling groups and such, or them simply finding friends like a normal person might.
Now, there are ways to deal with bullies that might work, but my point was that I do not believe the school environment itself (not even going into everything else) often has a positive impact on an individual's education.
Locking a kid up in a building with poor education standards with others their own age (some of whom are bullies) isn't a very good way to have someone socialize, in my opinion. That said, there are many options available to kids who are homeschooling if they want to socialize with other people.
No one is a "dumb fuck" merely because they drop out of school. Public schools in the US are, I believe, absolutely abysmal. It is possible to drop out and self-educate or be home schooled, and frankly, I think either of those things are better choices for individuals who even slightly care about their education.
But most people seem to simply memorize quite a bit while there and don't accomplish much else. I'd say almost anyone would be better off just getting a GED if they want to have a piece of paper so badly.
Or more likely, you memorized the material and don't understand it, but you were able to pass because of poorly-designed tests. I doubt it'd be any different if you went through the entire process of getting a degree, though.
If you don't have a diploma by age eighteen in the U.S. it means that either your parents were batshit-insane religious fundamentalists who insisted that being socialized was too evil for you
There are plenty of ways for home schooled kids to socialize if they want to, and I doubt locking people in a building where they receive an extremely poor education along with others their own age is that great of a way to have someone socialize to begin with. Also, you don't need to be religious to home school your kids, and even people who do graduate from our horrible public schools can be (and often probably are) dumb and unmotivated. Not having a degree doesn't mean you're dumb or unmotivated; it could even show that you care a little about your education, or that your parents did (in the case of homeschooling and self-education).
If the student is getting the answers correct on an open answer test then he's mastered the material.
How do you figure that? The student could have simply memorized a process that allowed him to answer the question without even understanding why said process works. Open answer, multiple choice... it doesn't really matter if the test is poorly designed.
And is the effect on the some worrisome enough for society that we should think about taking action, that might compromise free speech and other principles and conveniences.
No, because that means violating people's freedoms, and that, to me, says that you (not you specifically) are no better than the cowards who support the TSA.
If an artwork/material/etc is considered obscene by the moral standards of the general community at large (in the pertinent locale) AND has no redeeming social/educational value, then it is considered obscene and should be banned.
So in other words, it's completely subjective. What a surprise!
But how do you know what you are going to care about later?
I don't. My point was that drilling information into my brain isn't an effective strategy for me.
It is useful to be able to take in all of the information presented to you and learn it, just in case you need it later.
No thanks. Waste your time if you wish, but I go by the estimated probability that I'll need it later rather than a vague "just in case." Furthermore, I make an effort to understand it rather than just memorize it, which is pretty much what I was talking about there.
then you could just pick things up as you go and never learn anything you don't care about.
If someone truly doesn't care about something, I very highly doubt they'd remember for long. It seems like an exercise in futility to me.
must be some reason for formal education that we aren't thinking of...
One might come to your mind, but it would just be a colossal waste of time and money for me.
But none of this matters because I was only talking about rote memorization. Rarely does merely memorizing the material help someone for long, so I suggested that we make the material seem more meaningful (like exploring why something works, among other things) so that it will be more memorable.
I used to just memorize material way back when I was in public school. The result? I forgot over 90% of it. That, to me, is a waste of time. So no, completing repetitive assignments isn't necessarily helpful.
Really? I tend to forget things I don't care about even if I try to drill the information into my brain; it's a temporary solution for me at best. However, things that I actually care about will simply be retained in my memory in no time at all, and I never give myself any silly repetitive assignments.
Maybe we should be focusing on making things more meaningful to people?
People who travel frequently hate the guys like you because you disrupt the line, distract security, and waste our time - we wish you'd get ball cancer and die.
Actually, it's the TSA who is disrupting the line with their nonsense. Who's violating people's rights? The TSA, of course. Who is holding the line up? The TSA, of course.
When you're so terrified of the government that you can't even make a joke without fear of being punished by it, I think something is very, very wrong. And to think that all this is because people are afraid of a nearly nonexistent threat...
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there's a higher chance of some genetic flaws showing up
So? The baby wouldn't even exist otherwise, so it's not as if it was somehow harmed, and by no means is that even certain. I see where you're going, but I believe "If you don't like it, don't do it." applies either way.
(when it accomplishes no such thing)
Or even if it does make people safe.
Do you think you are making your own choices when you go shopping?
No, the corporations are guiding my moves with their brainwashing waves. Persuading others and making something look appealing are clearly brainwashing! 100%!
Maybe not, but it does involve them with their peer group.
So does getting them involved with homeschooling groups and such, or them simply finding friends like a normal person might.
Now, there are ways to deal with bullies that might work, but my point was that I do not believe the school environment itself (not even going into everything else) often has a positive impact on an individual's education.
School acts as general socialization
Locking a kid up in a building with poor education standards with others their own age (some of whom are bullies) isn't a very good way to have someone socialize, in my opinion. That said, there are many options available to kids who are homeschooling if they want to socialize with other people.
No one is a "dumb fuck" merely because they drop out of school. Public schools in the US are, I believe, absolutely abysmal. It is possible to drop out and self-educate or be home schooled, and frankly, I think either of those things are better choices for individuals who even slightly care about their education.
You don't need a GED to be able to answer any of those things...
Exactly.
If you are applying for Federal student aid to go to college, you NEED a high school diploma or GED certificate.
Where is this? I know someone who home schooled his son and his son was able to apply for a grant even though he didn't have a diploma or a GED.
I still learned quite a bit while there.
But most people seem to simply memorize quite a bit while there and don't accomplish much else. I'd say almost anyone would be better off just getting a GED if they want to have a piece of paper so badly.
You know the material and got a degree.
Or more likely, you memorized the material and don't understand it, but you were able to pass because of poorly-designed tests. I doubt it'd be any different if you went through the entire process of getting a degree, though.
If you don't have a diploma by age eighteen in the U.S. it means that either your parents were batshit-insane religious fundamentalists who insisted that being socialized was too evil for you
There are plenty of ways for home schooled kids to socialize if they want to, and I doubt locking people in a building where they receive an extremely poor education along with others their own age is that great of a way to have someone socialize to begin with. Also, you don't need to be religious to home school your kids, and even people who do graduate from our horrible public schools can be (and often probably are) dumb and unmotivated. Not having a degree doesn't mean you're dumb or unmotivated; it could even show that you care a little about your education, or that your parents did (in the case of homeschooling and self-education).
"We're are better than them..."
Well, that certainly does sound like something that certain people from the US might say.
This is myopic, and I bet you are not a parent. In fact I bet you're probably still a kid, with that attitude.
Everyone who disagrees with me is a kid and/or doesn't have kids! Take that!
Tests rarely measure whether a student understands the material. You need well-designed tests, not just tests.
If the student is getting the answers correct on an open answer test then he's mastered the material.
How do you figure that? The student could have simply memorized a process that allowed him to answer the question without even understanding why said process works. Open answer, multiple choice... it doesn't really matter if the test is poorly designed.
Nothing. Do nothing, and don't harm your own customers just because you don't want to 'lose' some potential profit.
Since when did you fall under the delusion that most DRM stops copyright infringement, anyway?
And is the effect on the some worrisome enough for society that we should think about taking action, that might compromise free speech and other principles and conveniences.
No, because that means violating people's freedoms, and that, to me, says that you (not you specifically) are no better than the cowards who support the TSA.
On the other hand, pretending that constant exposure to violence is 100% harmless is silly.
What harm do they cause, then, and what is your definition of 'harm'?
If an artwork/material/etc is considered obscene by the moral standards of the general community at large (in the pertinent locale) AND has no redeeming social/educational value, then it is considered obscene and should be banned.
So in other words, it's completely subjective. What a surprise!
But how do you know what you are going to care about later?
I don't. My point was that drilling information into my brain isn't an effective strategy for me.
It is useful to be able to take in all of the information presented to you and learn it, just in case you need it later.
No thanks. Waste your time if you wish, but I go by the estimated probability that I'll need it later rather than a vague "just in case." Furthermore, I make an effort to understand it rather than just memorize it, which is pretty much what I was talking about there.
then you could just pick things up as you go and never learn anything you don't care about.
If someone truly doesn't care about something, I very highly doubt they'd remember for long. It seems like an exercise in futility to me.
must be some reason for formal education that we aren't thinking of...
One might come to your mind, but it would just be a colossal waste of time and money for me.
But none of this matters because I was only talking about rote memorization. Rarely does merely memorizing the material help someone for long, so I suggested that we make the material seem more meaningful (like exploring why something works, among other things) so that it will be more memorable.
I used to just memorize material way back when I was in public school. The result? I forgot over 90% of it. That, to me, is a waste of time. So no, completing repetitive assignments isn't necessarily helpful.
Repetition is how we learn.
Really? I tend to forget things I don't care about even if I try to drill the information into my brain; it's a temporary solution for me at best. However, things that I actually care about will simply be retained in my memory in no time at all, and I never give myself any silly repetitive assignments.
Maybe we should be focusing on making things more meaningful to people?
People who travel frequently hate the guys like you because you disrupt the line, distract security, and waste our time - we wish you'd get ball cancer and die.
Actually, it's the TSA who is disrupting the line with their nonsense. Who's violating people's rights? The TSA, of course. Who is holding the line up? The TSA, of course.
They probably shouldn't have accepted a job that requires that they violate others' freedoms, then.
When you're so terrified of the government that you can't even make a joke without fear of being punished by it, I think something is very, very wrong. And to think that all this is because people are afraid of a nearly nonexistent threat...