It seems strange to me that people value human life so little
You're talking about the ones who don't want anyone murdered? Really?
that a murderer would not be put to death as a just punishment for his actions.
The people who were murdered will not miraculously come back to love. Revenge will not magically cure everyone involved. There are innocent people who were executed; if we would have kept them in prison, at least they'd still be alive.
No, but I think it's pretty silly to reject god based on a lack of evidence but then turn around and believe in magical rights fairies/magical moral fairies/whatever their explanation is. Opinions are fine, but it's the absolutes that I don't understand.
While they might be pedophiles, you're probably thinking of child molesters. That said, there are not many people who would rape a child; I don't see where this fear comes from.
Preserving evidence for criminal prosecution does not remove your criminal responsibility if you allow the elements you are preserving to be used for criminal purposes in the future.
Yeah, criminal purposes like... copying. This, the FBI, and the DMCA all seem extremely pathetic.
Yeah, of course. Disregard all of the abusive governments throughout history; ours is magically immune to corruption! We didn't see the government take advantage of the events of 9/11 at all!
You don't even necessarily need that silly thing. I was thinking something more along the lines of the SAT/ACT.
Hopefully one lesson she might learn is that rebellion, however small, has a cost.
Wouldn't want them to think for themselves, now would we? Being petty about 'rebellion' will clearly teach her a valuable lesson: public schools in their current form are garbage.
At the end of the day, the school is free to set reasonable requirements for attendance
I wouldn't call this "reasonable" considering that we've had an alternative since... forever.
Then watch her try to get into any college without a high school diploma.
You can actually get into a surprising number of colleges without a high school diploma. Granted, you'll probably have to take a useless standardized test and perhaps achieve a certain score on it, but it's still possible.
That said, she shouldn't waste her time with public schools, anyway; they're awful.
Those are all really simple and easy to accomplish tasks.
And not at all useful. Consider the effects that such repetitive tasks could have on an individual's willingness to learn. Such tasks could make someone so bored and uninterested in learning that they stop trying altogether. It is not a case of being being unable to memorize information; just about anyone can do that. The problem is that it's boring, useless, and does not teach people understanding.
In my opinion, it's not a good thing to be a mindless follower.
Except that change takes time and support. What do you do in the mean time while you're trying to change the system? What if you're well aware of the deficiencies of the public education system, but not enough people step up to help you change it? Do you just put your child through it anyway while you're trying to change it?
That's the problem: change isn't easy and it takes time. I believe that you definitely should try to change it, but at the same time, you should try to ensure your child gets a quality education using whatever means you have available.
If your kid isn't getting an education, that's your fault.
And the fault of the teachers, government, administrators, etc. It's not solely the fault of parents that the education system is so terrible; they're just part of the problem.
I had a perfect math score at the french final high school examinations (if I remember correctly, the British equivalent is A-levels) without doing any work at all.
That might have been the case for you, but I highly suspect it's not always the case. Of course, I was referring to the currently broken public school system that emphasizes memorization over true understanding of the material.
Are you sure about that? Someone could be intelligent but have a rather poor memory or have something like test anxiety. Another possibility is that the monotony of public schooling burned them out and now they no longer even have the energy try; in such a case, their potential is being wasted.
I was in the gifted and AP classes, and I always scored in the high 90% in any standardized tests I took.
And they thought you were intelligent because of that? If they put some effort into it, I'm sure they'd be capable of memorizing information without understanding it and then regurgitating it back on a poorly-designed standardized test, too.
Well, at least, that's what all the standardized tests I've seen rely on: memorization.
As my father once said "what the hell is this B doing on your report card?!"
Sounds as if he was quite concerned about the fact that you didn't complete enough pointless busywork or memorize enough useless information for a test. Grades are all-important, clearly.
And that's how you get adults who are anti-social and awkward around other adults once they get into the "real world".
I've seen plenty of products of the public education system that are exactly as you describe. But since when is being locked up in a building with others your own age while playing memorization games similar to the "real world"? Since when is that the only way to socialize?
The WORST thing you can do is take them out of a situation(s) where they cannot handle what's going on.
In my opinion, the best thing you can do is take them out of situations where they're not getting an education; that is, the public education system.
the school system in America is already holding back kids who excel as it is.
It's probably holding everyone back, actually. Teaching to the test, useless busywork, making mathematics and other subjects seem like memorization games...
I fear we're teaching people that intelligence is the same thing as having a good memory.
Honestly, what abilities do they have? The ability to memorize useless information and then spew it back on a test? If they want to avoid bullying, perhaps they should get with the picture and realize that academic success in public schools really isn't that impressive at this point.
Almost everything that I've read so far is 'not enough data for conclusion' or 'other inputs from your environment have a much stronger effect'.
Or how about the classic 'this single study proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that pornography is evil and harmful'? Never mind the fact that they don't have nearly enough evidence to support that conclusion!
Just link to a single study that supports your own position and then claim that you've defeated anyone who disagrees with you.
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The advantage of the contract is that it provides a clear declaration of the partnership
Can be done without marriage.
as well as a not insignificant barrier to dissolution of the partnership.
I'd say that's more of a disadvantage when you consider the possibility that you may end up miserable.
It seems strange to me that people value human life so little
You're talking about the ones who don't want anyone murdered? Really?
that a murderer would not be put to death as a just punishment for his actions.
The people who were murdered will not miraculously come back to love. Revenge will not magically cure everyone involved. There are innocent people who were executed; if we would have kept them in prison, at least they'd still be alive.
No, but I think it's pretty silly to reject god based on a lack of evidence but then turn around and believe in magical rights fairies/magical moral fairies/whatever their explanation is. Opinions are fine, but it's the absolutes that I don't understand.
Twitter is in the US.
and pedophiles sign for them.
While they might be pedophiles, you're probably thinking of child molesters. That said, there are not many people who would rape a child; I don't see where this fear comes from.
Preserving evidence for criminal prosecution does not remove your criminal responsibility if you allow the elements you are preserving to be used for criminal purposes in the future.
Yeah, criminal purposes like... copying. This, the FBI, and the DMCA all seem extremely pathetic.
Yeah, of course. Disregard all of the abusive governments throughout history; ours is magically immune to corruption! We didn't see the government take advantage of the events of 9/11 at all!
Yes, like the GED.
You don't even necessarily need that silly thing. I was thinking something more along the lines of the SAT/ACT.
Hopefully one lesson she might learn is that rebellion, however small, has a cost.
Wouldn't want them to think for themselves, now would we? Being petty about 'rebellion' will clearly teach her a valuable lesson: public schools in their current form are garbage.
At the end of the day, the school is free to set reasonable requirements for attendance
I wouldn't call this "reasonable" considering that we've had an alternative since... forever.
schools are not teaching our kids
This one actually might be true in many cases, and garbage like NCLB certainly doesn't help the situation.
Then watch her try to get into any college without a high school diploma.
You can actually get into a surprising number of colleges without a high school diploma. Granted, you'll probably have to take a useless standardized test and perhaps achieve a certain score on it, but it's still possible.
That said, she shouldn't waste her time with public schools, anyway; they're awful.
Those are all really simple and easy to accomplish tasks.
And not at all useful. Consider the effects that such repetitive tasks could have on an individual's willingness to learn. Such tasks could make someone so bored and uninterested in learning that they stop trying altogether. It is not a case of being being unable to memorize information; just about anyone can do that. The problem is that it's boring, useless, and does not teach people understanding.
In my opinion, it's not a good thing to be a mindless follower.
Except that change takes time and support. What do you do in the mean time while you're trying to change the system? What if you're well aware of the deficiencies of the public education system, but not enough people step up to help you change it? Do you just put your child through it anyway while you're trying to change it?
That's the problem: change isn't easy and it takes time. I believe that you definitely should try to change it, but at the same time, you should try to ensure your child gets a quality education using whatever means you have available.
If your kid isn't getting an education, that's your fault.
And the fault of the teachers, government, administrators, etc. It's not solely the fault of parents that the education system is so terrible; they're just part of the problem.
I had a perfect math score at the french final high school examinations (if I remember correctly, the British equivalent is A-levels) without doing any work at all.
That might have been the case for you, but I highly suspect it's not always the case. Of course, I was referring to the currently broken public school system that emphasizes memorization over true understanding of the material.
Are you sure about that? Someone could be intelligent but have a rather poor memory or have something like test anxiety. Another possibility is that the monotony of public schooling burned them out and now they no longer even have the energy try; in such a case, their potential is being wasted.
I was referring to true understanding of the material.
Looks like you have some serious issues to "prove" how smart you are.
Only so much as anyone posting here. Of course, the same could be said about you for replying to me.
I was in the gifted and AP classes, and I always scored in the high 90% in any standardized tests I took.
And they thought you were intelligent because of that? If they put some effort into it, I'm sure they'd be capable of memorizing information without understanding it and then regurgitating it back on a poorly-designed standardized test, too.
Well, at least, that's what all the standardized tests I've seen rely on: memorization.
As my father once said "what the hell is this B doing on your report card?!"
Sounds as if he was quite concerned about the fact that you didn't complete enough pointless busywork or memorize enough useless information for a test. Grades are all-important, clearly.
And that's how you get adults who are anti-social and awkward around other adults once they get into the "real world".
I've seen plenty of products of the public education system that are exactly as you describe. But since when is being locked up in a building with others your own age while playing memorization games similar to the "real world"? Since when is that the only way to socialize?
The WORST thing you can do is take them out of a situation(s) where they cannot handle what's going on.
In my opinion, the best thing you can do is take them out of situations where they're not getting an education; that is, the public education system.
the school system in America is already holding back kids who excel as it is.
It's probably holding everyone back, actually. Teaching to the test, useless busywork, making mathematics and other subjects seem like memorization games...
I fear we're teaching people that intelligence is the same thing as having a good memory.
Honestly, what abilities do they have? The ability to memorize useless information and then spew it back on a test? If they want to avoid bullying, perhaps they should get with the picture and realize that academic success in public schools really isn't that impressive at this point.
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.
The fact that they're treating everyone as a criminal is what I don't want to happen. We already see this with the TSA, and I don't want more of it.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Exactly. Just look at how offensive she is! Anything that offends me must be destroyed.
I don't mind this
"Just religious websites? I don't mind this."
Just because some people don't like porn doesn't mean that this should happen. We don't need to be 'protected' from it, either.
Almost everything that I've read so far is 'not enough data for conclusion' or 'other inputs from your environment have a much stronger effect'.
Or how about the classic 'this single study proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that pornography is evil and harmful'? Never mind the fact that they don't have nearly enough evidence to support that conclusion!
Just link to a single study that supports your own position and then claim that you've defeated anyone who disagrees with you.