I don't see how you can say that someone who effected the world as much as Hitler has could not have been both Great and Visionary, was it all a accident like the sandwich and a wrong turn.
Why did I use Hitler and Bush, well the OP said that RMS was arrogant and harsh so I picked the two most arrogant and hash people who had greatly changed the world as I could think of to show that they were probably so 'arrogant' because they were driven in there convictions, you in your reply are proof of there 'convictions'.
I think you are unable to get over your emotions or maybe what has been programmed into you. I would also note that you didn't say anything except 'mummy he said Hitler he's a bad man' I'm surprised you didn't pick on my spelling mistakes at the same time. You would be wise to remember how many people supported Bush and Hitler, and that some people think what RMS done has damaged the world possibly so much so that in 50 years time they will be teaching kids, 'don't give things away, look at the mess it caused 50 years ago', just look at some of the comments on TFA.
As a 'bad' example. KDevelop in Ideal mode, try putting two windows side by side. Say I'm doing a translation from french to English, or trying to code to a spec.
1: It's slow and easy to write bad code in so it shouldn't be used for anything other than a UI in a multi-tear system and shouldn't be used for large(anything more than a few hundred function points) systems.
Gambas is still slow, so no wins there.
2: VB was incredibly buggy, even for the things it was good for (rapid prototyping, simple to maintain UI's) it would sometimes crash for no apparent reason bot adding an extra hidden text box or a random print seemed to fix things.
With Gambas you have the source so all bugs are shallow.
Having said that there are plenty of good free Java tools out there like JBuilder foundataion or eclipse, so maybe basic has had it's day.
...and not so terrible, why must 'he' not be named? Is something that is unknown more terrifying than something that isn't.
consider this, 'the Jews will inherit the earth'. If I went round you house claiming it as mine wouldn't you be a bit pissed off too, hell someone may even shoot me.
Eugenics was big, very big, most western countries were up to it, and I think Sweden? has only just stopped and KKK were still lynching people up until about 40 years ago, you can still be executed in Texas and the UK has passed laws similar to the detention laws passed to allow the Gestapo to set up concentration camps. (detain a prisoner indefinitely without trail, charge or asses to the courts)
This doesn't mean that the he-who-must-not-be-named was 'good', but then your country probably isn't 'good' either, and I'm sure that wasn't the picture the government wants to paint in your history class.
My point is was that you can't say Bush is bad so I'll just ignore what you have to say and say your wrong, because I can say that anyone you pick is bad so you must be wrong.
Yes, a few people in the world decided to live so far away from any natural source of salt that it became a problem, but for the rest of us too much salt is the problem. I don't know how much salt tax was but I expect that the ammout you required to live would have cost next to nothing.
If you knew much about Ghandi you wouldn't have even picked me up on salt, if the GP knew anything about Bush or Hitler then he wouldn't have said I was wrong.
1: You don't have to compile anything with gentoo, most standard packages are avaiable as binaries. 2: Is there even a/. poll to back you up on the 'gentoo users would rather edit the config files themselves'
You don't know much about cell organizations do you?
they work a bit like a large company or the government, the people at the front desks just do their job, no questions asked.
Try asking the tax man why you have to pay lamp-post duty and who's responsibility it was for the bill, or go to wall-mart and ask the Guy behind the desk how much the workers got paid to make the machine that made the chest of draws.
Your confusing people I'd like to have round my house with visionaries.
The Hitler legecy. Brain sergury, Rockets, the Boy Scouts and about a million other things that you can't see because 'He's a great Asshole!'
Bush. King of the Christian Democrats, he's a visionary because he has a goal that he want's to achieve and he won't let anyone get in his way It may not be your goal (or mine)
Come on, you can do better.
And if you think Ghandi was great think of salt well how just much salt do they put in things now, enough to kill us. Thanks Ghandi for helping to make millions of people ill.
This site explains your shortsightedness much better that I can.
" Villains and Kooks
There are many people wose ideas about the future are reasonable or respected but who are misguided about the subjects of methods of their visions.
Even though they may not lead to constructive results, erroneous visions deserve a special study.
Here is a modest initial selection: Karl Marx - his main mistakes, in my opinion, were the seductively misleading idea that complex social processes may be explained and governed by a simple set of rules, similarly to those suggested by Newton for mechanical systems, and undue extrapolation of social trends of his time. Something we could learn from now... Adolf Hitler One of the most successful proponents of nationalism in history, Hitler gave us some very good lessons. We paid too much for these lessons not to learn from them. Vladimir Lenin did the same thing for communist ideas. Nostradamus - an author of a set of vast, vague, and unsubstantiated claims about the future, which were less unexcusable in his time than in ours. Jeremy Rifkin. - In the words of Charles Platt, "I believe Rifkin is the commentator who poses the greatest threat to attempts to transcend limitations of the human condition." Godling's Glossary defines Rifkin's kind of theories as Disasturbation All religious thinkers that ever lived, for mistaking emotionally charged metaphors for the objective reality?"
Last company I worked for shifted all sun->linux + Intel, potentially most of the web pages your granny accesses will be running Apache on Linux, what about grannies DVD player, or phone or settop box or PVR, don't they run linux too?
Most great people didn't get there by being nice. Visionaries tend to be stubborn assholes Steven Hawking is another well know asshole, and look at Bush or Hitler.
I very much doubt that he intended to belittle the students and teachers it just came across that way.
Personally I tend to ask hard questions and give tough answers, it's never personal and I often have to bite my tongue.
My tip is.
When you say something say it with the belief that you are perfect and hold that belief until someone proves you wrong. If you think someones wrong tell them there wrong until they prove otherwise. That way you will progress instead of everyone sitting on the fence.
don't do this on/. though, you may get trolled, or flamebated, pick up shit loads of freaks (just check out mine!), and get banned for a while (done that too!)
'Because "the net" is not always the inherently untrustworthy, malcious code-laden Internet, but is often an inherently trusted, managed and private *Intra*net. Making stuff on said Intranet easily and/or transparently usable/installable/upgradeable is an ease-of-use feature.'
Trust/security levels in IE aren't good enough for that to be a valid argument in favour of ActiveX in IE, and how does that validate Flash, Shockwave and Georges Best 3D Spyware Renederer
Also, it's easy to get system level access from java with the correct security permissions, and Java's security is a lot more fine grained.
"It's not Microsoft's fault people deliberately install malicious Active X controls any more than it would be their fault if customers deliberately ran something called "iamavirusinstallmeandloseallyourdata.exe" they got from download.com, or it's RedHat's fault if some Linux user installs an arbitrary RPM that adds their system to a botnet."
If I went round giving kids knifes it wouldn't be my fault if they stabbed themselves in the foot and no one ever kills someone with a gun purchased from a Gun shop.
It is neglect of the part of Microsoft, they won't release API documentation or the Source code because that could be 'dangerous!' but they make it easy to run arbitrary code as system level.
I do think that redhat should lock-down RHL a lot more though (deamons not run as root, more fine grained permissions, RPM permissions etc...) that way it could tell you what privilages the installed package needed, and give you a strong warning if it needed root for anything.
It's not like the Bin-laden couldn't have go 100 plains and done a pearl-harbour.
Nothing will ever stop 'sneak' attacks, if you think that you can then you've had a bit too much raspberryade.
I'm also interested on the 'Kepler's motion' thing, so you saying that Sadam new about the spy satellites and shifted WMD under the cover of Kepler? If Sadam could work out where they are any other leader also knows where they are so what use are they? well except for spying on people who don't know like you or me.
Umm... not off the top of my head, but then I have the Internet so I don't need to remember precisely. I should imagine that many illegal immigrants are in near slavery conditions in the US today, you can probably even 'buy' them.
'... from 1882 to 1964, four thousand, seven hundred, forty-two (4,742) US citizens were lynched (link2) or burned at the stake or otherwise murdered in the U.S. by white terrorists.. about a picture she saw, hundreds of KKK in their white hoods marching all carrying U.S. flags' flash points
I can't make any money off the free version anyway.
Trolltec must make some money from QT, (I've got a paid up version of Kylix with a QT license for staters), it's not like there's been a OSS quake game that's taken over the world.... yet. (though UFO2k is looking good!)
well it depends, sometimes the distribution and product are tied together, just look at the state of you average teen payola, mass produced media or Disney.
The reason that the current media mogals are worried is because for the past few decades they've controlled media from picking it off the streets to beaming teen idol 101 performing live at weekend entertainments night club straight onto fox 247.
Unfortunately for them the Internet is curring down on social activity, so their reading the news, chatting on/. and downloading warez from p2p instead of listening to Klone radio from a seat in bar NTL.
Now all it takes is for the government to get worries and pass some stupid copyright bills that prevent people from fairly using media and forcing Internet companies to hand over personal information about users while preventing them from telling anyone what's going on..... I should really take a break from playing half-life....
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I don't see how you can say that someone who effected the world as much as Hitler has could not have been both Great and Visionary, was it all a accident like the sandwich and a wrong turn.
Why did I use Hitler and Bush, well the OP said that RMS was arrogant and harsh so I picked the two most arrogant and hash people who had greatly changed the world as I could think of to show that they were probably so 'arrogant' because they were driven in there convictions, you in your reply are proof of there 'convictions'.
I think you are unable to get over your emotions or maybe what has been programmed into you. I would also note that you didn't say anything except 'mummy he said Hitler he's a bad man' I'm surprised you didn't pick on my spelling mistakes at the same time. You would be wise to remember how many people supported Bush and Hitler, and that some people think what RMS done has damaged the world possibly so much so that in 50 years time they will be teaching kids, 'don't give things away, look at the mess it caused 50 years ago', just look at some of the comments on TFA.
Go to google type visionary definition
and type Great definition
As a 'bad' example.
KDevelop in Ideal mode, try putting two windows side by side. Say I'm doing a translation from french to English, or trying to code to a spec.
'I know enough about Gandhi to know that what you said about him vis-a-vis salt was ludicrous'
Then you know nothing.
Since when did being able to spell count for anything?
Well I have two problems with VB.
1: It's slow and easy to write bad code in so it shouldn't be used for anything other than a UI in a multi-tear system and shouldn't be used for large(anything more than a few hundred function points) systems.
Gambas is still slow, so no wins there.
2: VB was incredibly buggy, even for the things it was good for (rapid prototyping, simple to maintain UI's) it would sometimes crash for no apparent reason bot adding an extra hidden text box or a random print seemed to fix things.
With Gambas you have the source so all bugs are shallow.
Having said that there are plenty of good free Java tools out there like JBuilder foundataion or eclipse, so maybe basic has had it's day.
Well I hate MDI It reminds me of trying to move large bits of furniture in and out of the house and grazing my knuckles on the wall.
Personally I like Borlands 'menu bar at the top, everything else floating and dockable'.
They should give you a choice though.
...and not so terrible, why must 'he' not be named? Is something that is unknown more terrifying than something that isn't.
consider this, 'the Jews will inherit the earth'. If I went round you house claiming it as mine wouldn't you be a bit pissed off too, hell someone may even shoot me.
Eugenics was big, very big, most western countries were up to it, and I think Sweden? has only just stopped and KKK were still lynching people up until about 40 years ago, you can still be executed in Texas and the UK has passed laws similar to the detention laws passed to allow the Gestapo to set up concentration camps. (detain a prisoner indefinitely without trail, charge or asses to the courts)
This doesn't mean that the he-who-must-not-be-named was 'good', but then your country probably isn't 'good' either, and I'm sure that wasn't the picture the government wants to paint in your history class.
he was a paedophile and racist.
My point is was that you can't say Bush is bad so I'll just ignore what you have to say and say your wrong, because I can say that anyone you pick is bad so you must be wrong.
Yes, a few people in the world decided to live so far away from any natural source of salt that it became a problem, but for the rest of us too much salt is the problem. I don't know how much salt tax was but I expect that the ammout you required to live would have cost next to nothing.
If you knew much about Ghandi you wouldn't have even picked me up on salt, if the GP knew anything about Bush or Hitler then he wouldn't have said I was wrong.
1: You don't have to compile anything with gentoo, most standard packages are avaiable as binaries. /. poll to back you up on the 'gentoo users would rather edit the config files themselves'
2: Is there even a
Wwe don't want to talk about that kind of thing around here, what ever would RMS think of us.
Anyhow, I thought that websters law applied, as the poster clearly doesn't know what the word visionary means.
I don't think that was his point.
On Mandrake I get lots of sexyish configuration tools.
On Gentoo I get portage.
Why the hell didn't gentoo just reuse Mandrakes configuration tools so I would have portage and sexy config out the box?
It would be nice if 'ubuntu' Knoppix, Gnopix and debian got together one day and came up with a UKGDeb distro that solved everyones problems.
You don't know much about cell organizations do you?
they work a bit like a large company or the government, the people at the front desks just do their job, no questions asked.
Try asking the tax man why you have to pay lamp-post duty and who's responsibility it was for the bill, or go to wall-mart and ask the Guy behind the desk how much the workers got paid to make the machine that made the chest of draws.
Your confusing people I'd like to have round my house with visionaries.
The Hitler legecy.
Brain sergury, Rockets, the Boy Scouts and about a million other things that you can't see because 'He's a great Asshole!'
Bush.
King of the Christian Democrats, he's a visionary because he has a goal that he want's to achieve and he won't let anyone get in his way It may not be your goal (or mine)
Come on, you can do better.
And if you think Ghandi was great think of salt well how just much salt do they put in things now, enough to kill us. Thanks Ghandi for helping to make millions of people ill.
Out of interest what's your AQ?
This site explains your shortsightedness much better that I can.
"
Villains and Kooks
There are many people wose ideas about the future are reasonable or respected but who are misguided about the subjects of methods of their visions.
Even though they may not lead to constructive results, erroneous visions deserve a special study.
Here is a modest initial selection:
Karl Marx - his main mistakes, in my opinion, were the seductively misleading idea that complex social processes may be explained and governed by a simple set of rules, similarly to those suggested by Newton for mechanical systems, and undue extrapolation of social trends of his time. Something we could learn from now...
Adolf Hitler One of the most successful proponents of nationalism in history, Hitler gave us some very good lessons. We paid too much for these lessons not to learn from them.
Vladimir Lenin did the same thing for communist ideas.
Nostradamus - an author of a set of vast, vague, and unsubstantiated claims about the future, which were less unexcusable in his time than in ours.
Jeremy Rifkin. - In the words of Charles Platt, "I believe Rifkin is the commentator who poses the greatest threat to attempts to transcend limitations of the human condition." Godling's Glossary defines Rifkin's kind of theories as Disasturbation
All religious thinkers that ever lived, for mistaking emotionally charged metaphors for the objective reality?"
Mainstream what?
Last company I worked for shifted all sun->linux + Intel, potentially most of the web pages your granny accesses will be running Apache on Linux, what about grannies DVD player, or phone or settop box or PVR, don't they run linux too?
Hey, a cheaper way to prevent many of the deaths of soldiers in Iraq would have been to never invade.
Since when did Cheap and NASA ever go together.
Most great people didn't get there by being nice. Visionaries tend to be stubborn assholes Steven Hawking is another well know asshole, and look at Bush or Hitler.
/. though, you may get trolled, or flamebated, pick up shit loads of freaks (just check out mine!), and get banned for a while (done that too!)
I very much doubt that he intended to belittle the students and teachers it just came across that way.
Personally I tend to ask hard questions and give tough answers, it's never personal and I often have to bite my tongue.
My tip is.
When you say something say it with the belief that you are perfect and hold that belief until someone proves you wrong. If you think someones wrong tell them there wrong until they prove otherwise. That way you will progress instead of everyone sitting on the fence.
don't do this on
I'm dyslexic and those "a"s cause me no end of pain.
My languange center's telling me it's not there but my eyes are and everything gets a bit tripiy inbetween.
'Because "the net" is not always the inherently untrustworthy, malcious code-laden Internet, but is often an inherently trusted, managed and private *Intra*net. Making stuff on said Intranet easily and/or transparently usable/installable/upgradeable is an ease-of-use feature.'
Trust/security levels in IE aren't good enough for that to be a valid argument in favour of ActiveX in IE, and how does that validate Flash, Shockwave and Georges Best 3D Spyware Renederer
Also, it's easy to get system level access from java with the correct security permissions, and Java's security is a lot more fine grained.
"It's not Microsoft's fault people deliberately install malicious Active X controls any more than it would be their fault if customers deliberately ran something called "iamavirusinstallmeandloseallyourdata.exe" they got from download.com, or it's RedHat's fault if some Linux user installs an arbitrary RPM that adds their system to a botnet."
If I went round giving kids knifes it wouldn't be my fault if they stabbed themselves in the foot and no one ever kills someone with a gun purchased from a Gun shop.
It is neglect of the part of Microsoft, they won't release API documentation or the Source code because that could be 'dangerous!' but they make it easy to run arbitrary code as system level.
I do think that redhat should lock-down RHL a lot more though (deamons not run as root, more fine grained permissions, RPM permissions etc...) that way it could tell you what privilages the installed package needed, and give you a strong warning if it needed root for anything.
They'd look like large warm things, they could use different paint to help dopple the effect making the radar look a bit more interesting.
You need longer waves than IR to look under the covers, microwaves will bounce straight off.
It's not like the Bin-laden couldn't have go 100 plains and done a pearl-harbour.
Nothing will ever stop 'sneak' attacks, if you think that you can then you've had a bit too much raspberryade.
I'm also interested on the 'Kepler's motion' thing, so you saying that Sadam new about the spy satellites and shifted WMD under the cover of Kepler? If Sadam could work out where they are any other leader also knows where they are so what use are they? well except for spying on people who don't know like you or me.
Umm... not off the top of my head, but then I have the Internet so I don't need to remember precisely. I should imagine that many illegal immigrants are in near slavery conditions in the US today, you can probably even 'buy' them.
'... from 1882 to 1964, four thousand, seven hundred, forty-two (4,742) US citizens were lynched (link2) or burned at the stake or otherwise murdered in the U.S. by white terrorists.. about a picture she saw, hundreds of KKK in their white hoods marching all carrying U.S. flags'
flash points
I don't remember you so you do not exist.
Great logic.
Tension bridges use Parallel Wire Cables for Suspension Bridges under extreme loads strands can fail without causing a critical failure of the cable.
I can't make any money off the free version anyway.
Trolltec must make some money from QT, (I've got a paid up version of Kylix with a QT license for staters), it's not like there's been a OSS quake game that's taken over the world.... yet. (though UFO2k is looking good!)
well it depends, sometimes the distribution and product are tied together, just look at the state of you average teen payola, mass produced media or Disney.
/. and downloading warez from p2p instead of listening to Klone radio from a seat in bar NTL.
.... I should really take a break from playing half-life ....
The reason that the current media mogals are worried is because for the past few decades they've controlled media from picking it off the streets to beaming teen idol 101 performing live at weekend entertainments night club straight onto fox 247.
Unfortunately for them the Internet is curring down on social activity, so their reading the news, chatting on
Now all it takes is for the government to get worries and pass some stupid copyright bills that prevent people from fairly using media and forcing Internet companies to hand over personal information about users while preventing them from telling anyone what's going on.