it is not the case that an electron "is" a particle or "is" a wave, it exhibits both types of behaviour depending on the experimental conditions.
So, an electron is 'both' a wave and a particle until you measure it when it appears to be either a wave or a particle, I think they say that the wave 'collapsed'
Semantics...
'You don't "cause" an effect by making a measurement' 'the distant particle appears to "know"'
again Semantics, as no one knows how is does this you can not say that a signal does not pass via a collapsed dimension, when the particles become entangled because of the 'measurement' the dimension collapses, I'm sure someones thrown that around before and probably been slated but it still shows that you are stating a certainty where there is none, I however am stating that if you do not need God for any of these effects what the hell do you need God for? nothing!!
You should be more modest before making assertions like "there is no good and evil" and trying to use science to support this position.
No, I wasn't using science to support the fact that there is no good and evil, that should be obvious, I am using science to support that fact they there is no God, or at least no requirement for a God so if there is a God he's in your head. (like a mad man thinking he's Jesus)
Shortly after taking off from Chesterfield-Spirit of Saint Louis Airport, in fog and light snow, Flight 187 collided head on with the tower leaving 7 dead and 30 injured. Forensic investigation has revealed that the pilot of the plane had just received an important phone call from his mother-in-law prior to the accident.
...sorry more on prison I think prison should be like a holiday home, lets get those thugs all happy and feeling good about them selfs, train them up and educate so they can get a proper job. Give them the hope that they never had before.
Ok, your wrong about prison.. there's a really good article somewhere but is goes something like this...
90% of crime is committed by 10% of criminals, so all you have to do is lock that 10% up and throw away the key.
This is what the UK government has done to reduce crime, just look at prison population, average sentence and crime.
The 'liberal' article explained it a lot better than I do, and went on to mention that instead of sorting out the crime in the first place the easy option of locking people up was chosen.
Prison reduces crime, not the number of criminals.
I've reported 4 stack/pointer based crashes in Konqueror in the past couple of days and they just came to me without looking.
If I could have crafted an exploit for the crashes then that would be 4 holes.
All the students needed to do was look at the current/recent bugs list for a version of software.
Identify bugs that could possibly be exploited. (say maybe 100) Run automated buffer/stack exploit checking software against those bugs.
hope to get 10 criticals.
Khtml's probably a good choice for exploiting at the moment, as it's getting a lot of 'features and fixes' which probably caused the crashed I've reported.
I'm sorry, you made me laugh uncontrolably. Anyhow, thats great news.
1: How do I convery my existing system? Any chance of a link.
2: It's easy for me to backup, and if I loose a couple of revisions that's ok but 'no longer a necessity' and 'over a month with no problems' gave me a bit of a chuckle...
what version of subversion, and how long has it been in release? I'll switch to it at home so that it get's a bit more testing (so long as it's out of alhpa), then maybe I can recomend it at work at a leter point in time.
firstly, 'Huh? No it doesn't. It shows that if you let electons pass undetected'
the problem? is it works with a SINGLE electron just as well as with a beam of electrons.
You sentence would then be 'Huh? No it doesn't. It shows that if you let an electon pass undetected through two slits[but it's a partical?] you get an interference pattern. The distance between the dark and light lines on the screen is related to the separation of the slits, but has nothing to do with the "size" of the particle. It is related to the wavelength of the of particle but that take almost any value by changing the energy of the partical, wavelength = h/sqrt(2mE) where h is planck's constant and m is the mass of the particle and E its energy.'
SFAIK the wavelength of a partical is essencially related the probablity that a partical will be at one point or another when measured.
If you don't measure the partical it passes through both the slits as a probablity wave (wave length h/sqrt(2mE)) , which then interfears with itself.
So, if you were to put a sheet of photographic paper on the other side of the slits and let one photon through every year and waited a very long time you would still get an interfearance pattern
There are some weird explamations for this, everythng from, there are lots of particals traveling in lots of different dimenstions that interact with each other, it just that you can only interact with one. To the partical travles as a wave until it is 'measured' upon wich point it collapses.
I would say that the interction in the measurement requires that the wave become 'coherent' to a point with a probablity xyz dependant on the wave and the measuring mechinism. 'solid/particulate' matter has a high coherence 'wavey' matter has a low coherence.
[this is a solid->gas type of coherence not a lazer->light bulb type coherence].
Quantum Entanglement.
Well, to you I would say.
When two particals become entangled, by modifying one you can cause an effect instantly in the other, even though they may be some distance appart and nothing can be detected passing between them.
No ones quite sure how this happens, in fact some of the ideas sound about as plausable as 'well when you moved that one, God moved the other'.
Which brings me to my point, if you believe in God there are very few things left that could justify such a belief.
People sure as hell don't have a soul, or at least you can explain everything about a human without needing a soul, just like a stone doesn't have a soul.
There's no such thing as 'good' and 'evil'
The earth wasn't created in seven days, it's not flat and the universe doesn't rorate around it.
There's no God of the Sun or of the Sea, harvests don't get better if we pray etc....
So the only part that God has to play in our lives is that of the Quantum world. (God doesn't play dice with the universe springs to mind)
If you accept that effects such as 'Quantum Entanglement' have nothing to do with God, then you have no requirement for God to exist. Infact if you hadn't have meet monotheists would you still entertain the idea?
I do not have a problem with people believing in 'God' or anything pre-say, but I do have a problem when that 'God' dictates Good and Evil which is a basic chareteristic of a monotheistic religion.
If you want a more definitive answer look here, or here or even here.
All of which I could have quoted, or read but haven't.
That's what I do with gentoo, but kdm gets started via a telinit (just like a good linux distribution). and init waits for the whole boot process to finish first.
The solution, change the init script to start kdm/xdm/gdm straight away.
Now all non-esencial services get started while I'm logging into kde.
'I don't find believing in God that difficult actually.'
And what exactly does this God do that requires existance, or to put it another way how would things be different if... and lets take a deep breath.... God doesn't exist.
Are leptons descrite or probable, Einstein or Plank. Einstine beleved in God too, he just couldn't handle probablity. someone should have done the single photon interfearance experement with him (ref de Broglie) Basicly...
2 slits in a piece of card....
When photons/electrons[leptons] pass through the slits they will produce an interfearance pattern on the other side.
Now, do the same with one photon/election and you still get interfearance.
but if you try to measure which slit the photon/election went though it behaves like a partical and point like and only arrives at one of the slits.
I think this is quite an old experement, but it show a lepton behaving like a non-point.
p.s. You light examples quite good, did you know that people used to beleave that you could see because something came out of you eyes and reflected back, the thing is how did they explain night time?
People also once beleived that the earth was flat.
I don't think it's that kind of technology, it's already quite 'easy' to overlay infomration in that manner, suing lcd screens.
This technology would appear to have the limited use of actually puting the CPU in the screen.
Mostly this[the atrical] is just a 'wow look a totally transparent tablet pc', it would be just like having all those people standing behing you peeking at when your doing, except they can stand infront of you too.
The real requirement would be where there are space or weight limits (a processor embeded into your glases for instance) or where close connectivity between the transparent thing and logical function is required... ummm... can't think of anything off of hand.
Why just the religious right? I say piss off anyone who believes that there is only one god, since with only one god you must have good and evil, right and wrong. Can you imaging Bush declaring an axis of, well Evil Pluto with a bit of Warmonger Mars on the side a little to the right of Powerfull Jupiter down by the sandy bits of Neptune?
I was trying to explain quantum entanglement to my girlfriend the other day. I think it's a great one to get at the mono-god people.
first give them a brief explanation and say the it proves God doesn't exist.
They'll either have a fit, or say something to the effect of 'no that is god'
Then tell them that people can entangle photons, and ask them if it's a little bit like saying a prayer.
I'd say entanglement &co come about as close to most peoples 'scientific' definition of a single God as you can get.
If they mention heaven start walking quickly in the other direction, unless your carrying a shotgun in which case save the world from another loone.
"All commercials annoy me. But I still buy products regardless.", don't maybe they will stop with the annoying commercials, hey don't buy advertised products == not T.V. great, at last the masses will get up and do something.
"But you're downloading crap." They moderated the content.
You don't consider the time spent downloading it waiting". I can download in the time it takes me to watch a movie, have a bath or pop to the shops, how long does it take for them to come in the post?
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it is not the case that an electron "is" a particle or "is" a wave, it exhibits both types of behaviour depending on the experimental conditions.
So, an electron is 'both' a wave and a particle until you measure it when it appears to be either a wave or a particle, I think they say that the wave 'collapsed'
Semantics...
'You don't "cause" an effect by making a measurement' 'the distant particle appears to "know"'
again Semantics, as no one knows how is does this you can not say that a signal does not pass via a collapsed dimension, when the particles become entangled because of the 'measurement' the dimension collapses, I'm sure someones thrown that around before and probably been slated but it still shows that you are stating a certainty where there is none, I however am stating that if you do not need God for any of these effects what the hell do you need God for? nothing!!
You should be more modest before making assertions like "there is no good and evil" and trying to use science to support this position.
No, I wasn't using science to support the fact that there is no good and evil, that should be obvious, I am using science to support that fact they there is no God, or at least no requirement for a God so if there is a God he's in your head. (like a mad man thinking he's Jesus)
Shortly after taking off from Chesterfield-Spirit of Saint Louis Airport, in fog and light snow,
Flight 187 collided head on with the tower leaving 7 dead and 30 injured.
Forensic investigation has revealed that the pilot of the plane had just received an important phone call from his mother-in-law prior to the accident.
Why not just put an open SMB on a internet port, and have something that registers your address so other users can get access to your whole HDD.
Is stealing a loaf of bread, or bottle of milk the same as stealing $10million from a pension fund?
...sorry more on prison
I think prison should be like a holiday home, lets get those thugs all happy and feeling good about them selfs, train them up and educate so they can get a proper job. Give them the hope that they never had before.
Ok, your wrong about prison.. there's a really good article somewhere but is goes something like this...
90% of crime is committed by 10% of criminals, so all you have to do is lock that 10% up and throw away the key.
This is what the UK government has done to reduce crime, just look at prison population, average sentence and crime.
The 'liberal' article explained it a lot better than I do, and went on to mention that instead of sorting out the crime in the first place the easy option of locking people up was chosen.
Prison reduces crime, not the number of criminals.
that doesn't seem to matter
A main rotating shaft would have torque problems.
A shaft a few meters long (made out of that Lego shaft stuft) would probably be at least half a turn out of sync along it's length, maybe more.
You could defiantly use a 'cam' type system though, a bit like a sewing machine.
How many years did the guys at Enron etc.... get?
Seems like you get of if you you cough up government payola.
'If they're already on some list, they don't count'
There not on the list as security holes though.
'And most crashing bugs can't be exploited for security breaches'
Identify bugs that could possibly be exploited. (say maybe 100) (this is probably about 5% of all crash bugs)
hope to get 10 critical.
this would be about 5 in 1000.
It's going to take a bit of screening but it's defiantly doable.
Yep, that's kinda what I've got(now).
The problem was that the database kept getting trashed.
http://tigger.uic.edu/~jlongs2/holes/html2hdml.txt
/usr/ports/www/html2hdml
/usr/ports/www/html2hdml
---snip----
Proof of concept: On an x86 computer running FreeBSD 4.10, as root, type
cd
make install
---snip----
Should be
Proof of concept: On an x86 computer running FreeBSD 4.10, as non-root, type
cd
make
su make install
I've reported 4 stack/pointer based crashes in Konqueror in the past couple of days and they just came to me without looking.
If I could have crafted an exploit for the crashes then that would be 4 holes.
All the students needed to do was look at the current/recent bugs list for a version of software.
Identify bugs that could possibly be exploited. (say maybe 100)
Run automated buffer/stack exploit
checking software against those bugs.
hope to get 10 criticals.
Khtml's probably a good choice for exploiting at the moment, as it's getting a lot of 'features and fixes' which probably caused the crashed I've reported.
I expect most of the software will run on Windows.
I'm sorry, you made me laugh uncontrolably.
Anyhow, thats great news.
1: How do I convery my existing system? Any chance of a link.
2:
It's easy for me to backup, and if I loose a couple of revisions that's ok but 'no longer a necessity' and 'over a month with no problems' gave me a bit of a chuckle...
what version of subversion, and how long has it been in release?
I'll switch to it at home so that it get's a bit more testing (so long as it's out of alhpa), then maybe I can recomend it at work at a leter point in time.
firstly,
'Huh? No it doesn't. It shows that if you let electons pass undetected'
the problem? is it works with a SINGLE electron just as well as with a beam of electrons.
You sentence would then be
'Huh? No it doesn't. It shows that if you let an electon pass undetected through two slits[but it's a partical?] you get an interference pattern.
The distance between the dark and light lines on the screen is related to the separation of the slits, but has nothing to do with the "size" of the particle. It is related to the wavelength of the of particle but that take almost any value by changing the energy of the partical,
wavelength = h/sqrt(2mE) where h is planck's constant and m is the mass of the particle and E its energy.'
SFAIK the wavelength of a partical is essencially related the probablity that a partical will be at one point or another when measured.
If you don't measure the partical it passes through both the slits as a probablity wave (wave length h/sqrt(2mE)) , which then interfears with itself.
So, if you were to put a sheet of photographic paper on the other side of the slits and let one photon through every year and waited a very long time you would still get an interfearance pattern
There are some weird explamations for this, everythng from,
there are lots of particals traveling in lots of different dimenstions that interact with each other, it just that you can only interact with one.
To the partical travles as a wave until it is 'measured' upon wich point it collapses.
I would say that the interction in the measurement requires that the wave become 'coherent' to a point with a probablity xyz dependant on the wave and the measuring mechinism. 'solid/particulate' matter has a high coherence 'wavey' matter has a low coherence.
[this is a solid->gas type of coherence not a lazer->light bulb type coherence].
Quantum Entanglement.
Well, to you I would say.
When two particals become entangled, by modifying one you can cause an effect instantly in the other, even though they may be some distance appart and nothing can be detected passing between them.
No ones quite sure how this happens, in fact some of the ideas sound about as plausable as 'well when you moved that one, God moved the other'.
Which brings me to my point, if you believe in God there are very few things left that could justify such a belief.
People sure as hell don't have a soul, or at least you can explain everything about a human without needing a soul, just like a stone doesn't have a soul.
There's no such thing as 'good' and 'evil'
The earth wasn't created in seven days, it's not flat and the universe doesn't rorate around it.
There's no God of the Sun or of the Sea, harvests don't get better if we pray etc....
So the only part that God has to play in our lives is that of the Quantum world. (God doesn't play dice with the universe springs to mind)
If you accept that effects such as 'Quantum Entanglement' have nothing to do with God, then you have no requirement for God to exist. Infact if you hadn't have meet monotheists would you still entertain the idea?
I do not have a problem with people believing in 'God' or anything pre-say, but I do have a problem when that 'God' dictates Good and Evil which is a basic chareteristic of a monotheistic religion.
If you want a more definitive answer look here, or here or even here.
All of which I could have quoted, or read but haven't.
What, so when you roll out you don't.
a: test using a copy.
b: veryify that everythings gone ok and then....
switch or roll back.
Or are you sying that your major project isn't 'still under development...'
Sounds like good practice to me.
1: install subversion ... recover)
2: upgrabe berkley db
3: pannic. (or svn recover, or db
I've also had no end of trouble setting the permissions to 660 U:root G:subversion without the database corrupting.
That's what I do with gentoo, but kdm gets started via a telinit (just like a good linux distribution).
and init waits for the whole boot process to finish first.
The solution, change the init script to start kdm/xdm/gdm straight away.
Now all non-esencial services get started while I'm logging into kde.
'I don't find believing in God that difficult actually.'
And what exactly does this God do that requires existance, or to put it another way how would things be different if... and lets take a deep breath.... God doesn't exist.
Are leptons descrite or probable, Einstein or Plank. Einstine beleved in God too, he just couldn't handle probablity.
someone should have done the single photon interfearance experement with him (ref de Broglie)
Basicly...
2 slits in a piece of card....
When photons/electrons[leptons] pass through the slits they will produce an interfearance pattern on the other side.
Now, do the same with one photon/election and you still get interfearance.
but if you try to measure which slit the photon/election went though it behaves like a partical and point like and only arrives at one of the slits.
I think this is quite an old experement, but it show a lepton behaving like a non-point.
p.s.
You light examples quite good, did you know that people used to beleave that you could see because something came out of you eyes and reflected back, the thing is how did they explain night time?
People also once beleived that the earth was flat.
Can't I just install cygwin, then install QT, and then install kde &co..
The thing is I can't think of a single KDE application that doesn't have an as-good-as or better free/given away version under Windows.
I like the KDE core and only run KDE at home, but I can't see anyone wanting to run kde-libs/base under windows who doesn't already via cygwin.
I don't think it's that kind of technology, it's already quite 'easy' to overlay infomration in that manner, suing lcd screens.
This technology would appear to have the limited use of actually puting the CPU in the screen.
Mostly this[the atrical] is just a 'wow look a totally transparent tablet pc', it would be just like having all those people standing behing you peeking at when your doing, except they can stand infront of you too.
The real requirement would be where there are space or weight limits (a processor embeded into your glases for instance) or where close connectivity between the transparent thing and logical function is required... ummm... can't think of anything off of hand.
Why just the religious right? I say piss off anyone who believes that there is only one god, since with only one god you must have good and evil, right and wrong.
Can you imaging Bush declaring an axis of, well Evil Pluto with a bit of Warmonger Mars on the side a little to the right of Powerfull Jupiter down by the sandy bits of Neptune?
I was trying to explain quantum entanglement to my girlfriend the other day. I think it's a great one to get at the mono-god people.
first give them a brief explanation and say the it proves God doesn't exist.
They'll either have a fit, or say something to the effect of 'no that is god'
Then tell them that people can entangle photons, and ask them if it's a little bit like saying a prayer.
I'd say entanglement &co come about as close to most peoples 'scientific' definition of a single God as you can get.
If they mention heaven start walking quickly in the other direction, unless your carrying a shotgun in which case save the world from another loone.
or hand in the case of the /. crew.
"66 cents per movie is cheap", compared to free?
"All commercials annoy me. But I still buy products regardless.", don't maybe they will stop with the annoying commercials, hey don't buy advertised products == not T.V. great, at last the masses will get up and do something.
"But you're downloading crap."
They moderated the content.
You don't consider the time spent downloading it waiting".
I can download in the time it takes me to watch a movie, have a bath or pop to the shops, how long does it take for them to come in the post?