It was the marketing men, look at the press coverage they are getting, what a plan! They can even use it in the MPAA we will placify the world campain. Bet there getting the biggest bonus they've had for a while.
again, Why, can you prove it, can you give me an analogy?
The only time it could be illegal is if it appeared that the patch was written by Apple or caused some kind of 'deformation of character'
There are no patents violated, no copyright issues? in the most part the ELUA is non-applicable (reverse engineering, disassembling) especially in the EU(under rights of sale and purchase) and quite probably in several US states.
'It's ethically questionable because IT'S NOT THEIRS.' I would argue that because your brought xyz and iDVD came 'bundled' that you 'own' a copy of iDVD so technally it's the users copy not Apples
there's a link on some's sig to the full story, The case was Apple vs Someone(company X),
X was unbundleing shrink wrapped copys of adobe software from OEM hardware and selling the two product seperatly.
Adobe didn't like this......
The outcome was that X was allowed to resell the bundled coppies because a sale of a product had take place (as apposed to a sale of a licence).
The case was held in a US district court, but is still makes some presedent for other trials.
A gasket alters the car as much as a software patch, you remove the old carb (part of the car) toss it away and use the new casket to fit a non-standard carb.
A mechanic can do what the hell they(you) like to your car, weld it / chop it up whatever.
I can pay somone to come and cut up a book and put there comments in there, that's the same as patching some software.
On the car, lets say they sell a tapping set so that I can retap a bolt hole to a larger size(apply a patch) and fit there...... Is that modified enough?
An on ethically questionable why should anyone have to duplicte the effort, if it's such a great tool why not use it. They could spend there time and money on Feeding the world instead.
Why is it illegal? Can you give me some 'simple' examples of why it might be illegal, say like the car example I gave.
I would say it isn't illegal, just like it's not illegal for somone to sell an oversized casket so i can fit there carb on the engine properly.
or different spark plugs, ECU, injectors, wheels, tires, trim, horn, HT leads, ignition, keyring,windows.........
So why should it be illegal for somone to 'give away' and adapter so that one piece of 'technology' compatable with another;does it make iDVD compatable with there drives or there drives compatable with iDVD?
Free is not, 'Hey I have this thing, but I have to pay for it'
Satellite installation in the UK is marketed as FREE with the small print of 'so long as you subscribe for a year'. And they won't do the installation 'UNTIL' you pay for a years subscription. (see the car radio thing here)
How is iDVD advertised? as included in the cost of the Mac, combian; as Free, gratis, here you go.
The car radio is FREE when you buy a car.
iDVD is 'FREE' or inclusive when you buy a Mac, thats why there fucked, if it was 'FREE' when you brough a DVD driver it would make sense.
Hell I've been off the crack for a few months now, have you ever tried crack to comment?
FREE is gratis, here you go, have this
Free is not, 'Hey I have this thing, but I have to pay for it'
Satellite installation in the UK is marketed as FREE with the small print of 'so long as you subscribe for a year'. And they wont do the installation 'UNTIL' you pay for a years subscription.
How is iDVD advertised? as included in the cost of the Mac, combian; as Free, gratis, here you go.
The first most obvious problem is that apple should be 'giving away' the software with there DVD drive not giving you the software expecting you to buy there DVD drive.
If I buy a car from ford, ford expect me to get the car fixed and repaired using only ford authorised mechnics and parts (which they make money on?).
A lot of people will do this, and it keeps the resale value of the car higher.
But, there's nothing to stop me using anyones parts and getting anyone to fix the car.
(n.b. I know there's certian things you need to be authorised to do to cars in places like france)
I think you replied more or less as that comment states " If you get the reply, we will decide common morals and that will be the law.. [government] just iterate through one man meat is another mans poison.
e.g.
Q: Well whos morals would we choose. A: The majorities, well have a democracy. Q: and who will pay for that? A: ummm well all chip in Q: Isn't that socialist? a: fuck."
So in a free market who would pay for law inforcement, and would it also be open to the free market.
I might pay for my child to goto school so that could work in a free market.
I might pay a toll on the road so that it was paved, which also works in a free market.
I might pay for a mercenary to blow your house up, well isn't law open to a free market?
you don't even have to mention socialism to win hat argument.
If you get the reply, we will decide common morals and that will be the law.. just iterate through one man meat is another mans poison.
e.g.
Q: Well whos morals would we choose. A: The majorities, well have a democracy. Q: and who will pay for that? A: ummm well all chip in Q: Isn't that socialist? a: fuck.
Well they should save money get broadband and and P2P the CD./
broadband costs about the same price as 1-2 cd's a month or 1 DVD.
The RIAA put this kinda spin on it...
"In all, total U.S. music shipments dropped 10.1 percent from 442.8 million units in the first half of 2001 to 398.1 million units in the first half of 2002. In dollar value, this represents a 6.7 percent decrease, from $5.93 billion in the first half of 2001 to $5.53 billion in the first half of 2002."
but didn't notice that a 10.1 % decline in shipments and only 6.7% in financial terms, means they put the prices up....
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It was the marketing men, look at the press coverage they are getting, what a plan! They can even use it in the MPAA we will placify the world campain.
Bet there getting the biggest bonus they've had for a while.
again, Why, can you prove it, can you give me an analogy?
The only time it could be illegal is if it appeared that the patch was written by Apple or caused some kind of 'deformation of character'
There are no patents violated, no copyright issues? in the most part the ELUA is non-applicable (reverse engineering, disassembling) especially in the EU(under rights of sale and purchase) and quite probably in several US states.
Soap.
You could have a bubble bath/pool.
cat /dev/random | grep metallica >> napster
Hmm, I could never cast a fire ball or somthing in the middle of a fight coes the guestures just didn't work for me.
and it was a pain trying to get my monkey to grow trees etc.... no matter how much training.
patents and copyright.
/dev/random | grep metallica
This appears to be the first usable version of
cat
If you can 'breed' a patent how does that patent stand up?
'It's ethically questionable because IT'S NOT THEIRS.'
......
I would argue that because your brought xyz and iDVD came 'bundled' that you 'own' a copy of iDVD so technally it's the users copy not Apples
there's a link on some's sig to the full story,
The case was Apple vs Someone(company X),
X was unbundleing shrink wrapped copys of adobe software from OEM hardware and selling the two product seperatly.
Adobe didn't like this
The outcome was that X was allowed to resell the bundled coppies because a sale of a product had take place (as apposed to a sale of a licence).
The case was held in a US district court, but is still makes some presedent for other trials.
'You used a hardware/hardware (car/parts) analogy, not a hardware/software analogy. '
Not really, the ECU is kinda software and a lot of the automated systems could be considered software (even though there hard to the touch).
A few more hard-software analogies might be...
Saying you'r not alowed to decompile software is like saying you'r not allowed to take a sledge hammer to the vase you just brough.
Saying single seat license is like saying that only one person is allowed to sheater under an unbrella.
Saying not for public performance, is like saying your not allowed to walk down the road holding a piece of art.
Netscape 7 is out.
Internet explorer is in..
You analysis of software is flawed,
...... Is that modified enough?
A gasket alters the car as much as a software patch, you remove the old carb (part of the car) toss it away and use the new casket to fit a non-standard carb.
A mechanic can do what the hell they(you) like to your car, weld it / chop it up whatever.
I can pay somone to come and cut up a book and put there comments in there, that's the same as patching some software.
On the car,
lets say they sell a tapping set so that I can retap a bolt hole to a larger size(apply a patch) and fit there
An on ethically questionable why should anyone have to duplicte the effort, if it's such a great tool why not use it. They could spend there time and money on Feeding the world instead.
Like
this
or
this
Why is it illegal? Can you give me some 'simple' examples of why it might be illegal, say like the car example I gave.
.........
I would say it isn't illegal, just like it's not illegal for somone to sell an oversized casket so i can fit there carb on the engine properly.
or different spark plugs, ECU, injectors, wheels, tires, trim, horn, HT leads, ignition, keyring,windows
So why should it be illegal for somone to 'give away' and adapter so that one piece of 'technology' compatable with another;does it make iDVD compatable with there drives or there drives compatable with iDVD?
FREE is gratis, here you go, have this
Free is not, 'Hey I have this thing, but I have to pay for it'
Satellite installation in the UK is marketed as FREE with the small print of 'so long as you subscribe for a year'. And they won't do the installation 'UNTIL' you pay for a years subscription. (see the car radio thing here)
How is iDVD advertised? as included in the cost of the Mac, combian; as Free, gratis, here you go.
The car radio is FREE when you buy a car.
iDVD is 'FREE' or inclusive when you buy a Mac, thats why there fucked, if it was 'FREE' when you brough a DVD driver it would make sense.
Hell I've been off the crack for a few months now, have you ever tried crack to comment?
FREE is gratis, here you go, have this
Free is not, 'Hey I have this thing, but I have to pay for it'
Satellite installation in the UK is marketed as FREE with the small print of 'so long as you subscribe for a year'. And they wont do the installation 'UNTIL' you pay for a years subscription.
How is iDVD advertised? as included in the cost of the Mac, combian; as Free, gratis, here you go.
Apple should be either providing the software with the driver or selling the software.
If the software's FREE what do they expect, to get paid for it?
Now that they've applied that rule and sorted out the business model
Think Cars!
ECU hacking is common place
The first most obvious problem is that apple should be 'giving away' the software with there DVD drive not giving you the software expecting you to buy there DVD drive.
If I buy a car from ford, ford expect me to get the car fixed and repaired using only ford authorised mechnics and parts (which they make money on?).
A lot of people will do this, and it keeps the resale value of the car higher.
But, there's nothing to stop me using anyones parts and getting anyone to fix the car.
(n.b. I know there's certian things you need to be authorised to do to cars in places like france)
Did you read two posts up top tips?
I think you replied more or less as that comment states
"
If you get the reply, we will decide common morals and that will be the law.. [government] just iterate through one man meat is another mans poison.
e.g.
Q: Well whos morals would we choose.
A: The majorities, well have a democracy.
Q: and who will pay for that?
A: ummm well all chip in
Q: Isn't that socialist?
a: fuck."
So in a free market who would pay for law inforcement, and would it also be open to the free market.
I might pay for my child to goto school so that could work in a free market.
I might pay a toll on the road so that it was paved, which also works in a free market.
I might pay for a mercenary to blow your house up, well isn't law open to a free market?
When trying to make that argument argue law...
So in a free market who would pay for law inforcement, and would it also be open to the free market.
I might pay for my child to goto school so that could work in a free market.
I might pay a toll on the road so that it was paved, which also works in a free market.
I might pay for a mercenary to blow your house up, well isn't law open to a free market?
you don't even have to mention socialism to win hat argument.
If you get the reply, we will decide common morals and that will be the law.. just iterate through one man meat is another mans poison.
e.g.
Q: Well whos morals would we choose.
A: The majorities, well have a democracy.
Q: and who will pay for that?
A: ummm well all chip in
Q: Isn't that socialist?
a: fuck.
it's just no-one gives a fuck
Well they should save money get broadband and and P2P the CD./
broadband costs about the same price as 1-2 cd's a month or 1 DVD.
The RIAA put this kinda spin on it...
"In all, total U.S. music shipments dropped 10.1 percent from 442.8 million units in the first half of 2001 to 398.1 million units in the first half of 2002. In dollar value, this represents a 6.7 percent decrease, from $5.93 billion in the first half of 2001 to $5.53 billion in the first half of 2002."
but didn't notice that a 10.1 % decline in shipments and only 6.7% in financial terms, means they put the prices up....
until a later government is strapped for cash and decides to sell them off again. hmm... can't think where that happened
I didn't have broadband because my local exchange wasn't ADSL enabled, there are no cable companies neer where I live and satalite is toooo expensive.
Was I asleep or somthing when did the Microsoft case get settled?
I thought they were doing it out of the good or there harts.