A good job, social security, and health insurance are all basic rights, according to most people in the world.
The right for cheap gas seems to be exclusive for the US (In my country we have always paid 1 US dollar a liter, and it's rising now that the US dollar is cheaper).
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.
-------- A JOB --------- Article 23.
(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
-------- A _GOOD_ JOB / HEALTH INSURANCE --------- Article 24.
Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.
Article 25.
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
Of course, if you are from the US, you can always ignore the UN. I believe it's worthless right now, too.
Hey! you people!! This was a nice candidate for an april fools joke. The fuun of it is not in calling it when you see it. It's just the other way around, waiting or even baiting for those who fall for the joke, so you can get a good laugh.
Getting a first post that says "April Fools, hehehehe" takes away most of the fun. After that, you know you will be seeing very few poor guys who fell for the joke.
Parents are responsible for what their kids are exposed to.
If parents think GTA is bad for kids, then parents shouldn't let them play the game . If kids _were_ harmed playing it, then it would be their parents' fault.
I don't think it's bad. Children can understand the difference between fantasy and reality. Of course, an XBox is not the best nanny, but it's not harmful by itself, either.
For example, reading H. P. Lovecraft has more potential of being harmful to kids, and noone is thinking about limiting his books distribution.
As I told you, read the slashdot blurb of the discussion, and read the article.
In the article, FOSS means free software (in the sense of freedom) / open source software (in the sense of OSI-compatible).
In slashdot, FOSS means exactly the same.
In your discussion with your managers, FOSS can mean whatever they want it to mean. When you post to slashdot, whatever you post will be interpreted 1 - according to its common meaning in slashdot, 2 - according to how it's used in TFA, or 3 - according to its usual english meaning. That's because communities have their own way of communicating, and that includes different meaning for the same terms, in different contexts.
If in your ignorant management world, FOSS means free (as in "no cost") open source software (as in whatever you want it to mean), you should explain that, but before you use it, so when for example, I read you, I know what you mean by that. There is another world, where manager are not ignorant, and when you say something is free, they ask what the actual cost is, and so you can talk about the risks in developing for the free as in "no cost" java platform, or the risks with GPL software, or the risks of using closed freeware, or special offers from a proprietary software provider (like: you get 20 visual studio.NET licenses for free, but you have to buy from me the rest of the software, and the databases for your lab [actual story]). Even managers are not that dumb, they understand there is something hidden behind "free" stuff. Those that do their jobs try to understand what "free" means in every case.
I was talking about open source ('look, here is the source code!') software that costs nothing. Using the English language, that is free, open source. If you have more specific terms, use those (e.g. GPL, BSD license etc.).
OK Nice way to defend your point, redefining terms in the middle of a discussion. Look at the title of this page. Then RTFA. They are using a term that is becoming frequent, and is incorrect. It doesn't mean what you think it means.
4. You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the Program except as expressly provided under this License. Any attempt otherwise to copy, modify, sublicense or distribute the Program is void, and will automatically terminate your rights under this License. However, parties who have received copies, or rights, from you under this License will not have their licenses terminated so long as such parties remain in full compliance.
1 - I was commenting on the "use" part of the comment. I wasn't jujst disagreeing with the poster, I was pointing out an issue, that use is not limited by the GPL, and distribution is.
2 - In a completely unrelated issue... Of course FOSS is more than just the GPL. FOSS is another useless blanket term that doesn't help understanding either free or open source software. Free software is one thing, it has to do with freedom, especially the freedom of the user, every user. The GPL has something to do with free software. Open source is about technical stuff. It's non trivial to differentiate OSS from free software. OSS is usually nice for developers, but doesn't assure anything. You only have the warranty to be able to look at the software. Using one term to talk about free and open source software doesnt help anybody. If you are talking about free software, you don't need to say it's open source, because there are few exceptions that aren't open source. If you are talking about non-free OSS software, Free/OpenSource is not correct, and it's misleading the reader. Anyway, it's either useless, or incorrect.
Proprietary software means software that someone can make copyright or patent claims on in such a way as to get the state to use force to prevent you from using or sharing the software in certain ways. That's politics.
That also describes the licensing of many FOSS projects......
If you are talking about the GPL, the GPL almost doesn't control the way you use the software. It controls the way you share it. Gives you all the freedom as a user, and takes some away as a distributor, compared to public domain. If you abuse your distribution rights, you can lose your usage rights, too.
As a side note, I wouldnt use the word "empire" when not referring to government. The MS situation isn't pretty, but its hardly geopolitics regardless of how strongly geeks identify with the issue.
Bill Gates tried to talk Brazil president Lula into changing his government decisions. Of course, he didn't even agree to a meeting, but that has some resemblance of someone seeking world domination.
unlikely. the current generation of 3d cards are all polygon-pushers. Direct3D/OpenGL are all about polygons. virtually all raytracing is done by the CPU.
Are not just polygon pushers since a long time now. You should watch Doom3, maybe.
For example, with nvidia shaders 2.0, in a nvidia 5900, there's some people who built a photon mapping kind-of-realtime renderer. I'm sure with the new cards, it could be actually realtime.
For your information, ray tracing is far, far from providing the best results, party because of its failure to represent complex diffuse-specular interactions (caustics being the most visible difference).
Photon mapping is veeeery slow, but comprises two phases, so it/could/ be provided half baked for games, with the 3d card performing the last phase.
If I'm missing an arm, but I'm still productive and happy, it doesn't mean I'm still not handicapped.
If you were _as_ productive and _as_ happy as if you weren't missing an arm, you would have a hard time convincing _me_ that you are handicapped. Handicaps involve disadvantages. Thos disdvantages are measured relatively. If you can be as productive as anyone else, you have no disadvantages. Different individuals have different physical abilities, when your set of physical abilities constitutes a disadvantage, you are handicapped, when it doesn't, you are not.
(of course, I don't believe you can be as productive with one hand as you can be with two, but I just extrapolated your comment)
I'm not complaining about unauthorized distribution.
I'm complaining about its being unethical.
I'm complaining about the guy defrauding people into believing he wrote the code. It would be like me remixing the last Red Hot Chili Peppers album, and selling it on record stores, like "Orasio's new super hits". It's not the copying the most important thing, it's the fraud I would be commiting.
mp3 rant in reply to your accusation of being "hypocritical" ----------- I am not slashdot, we have these numbers that can tell us apart. We are not a hive of bees. I don't think kazaa is a good way to distribute music, I don't think it's good, ethically, but I think it's worse, ethically, to misguide a buyer into paying 20 bucks for a CD, when just 1 - 2 dollars go to the artist, because the buyer is deceived into believing he is supporting the artist, and he is mostly just supporting the recording company. That's what makes mp3 downloading _seem_ right, the fact that there's no better way to get music. You could download the mp3, and send money directly to them, o through a distribution channel that didn't keep 95% of the money you send them. Anyhow, I don't do neither. I don't buy CDs, but I only collect mp3 ripping them from loaned CDs. I don't think it's right either, but I can't find a better way to do it, other than buying from the artist, which I have done some times. ------ END of mp3 rant
Let me know when it is and when there is sufficient general application support that is acceptable for 90%+ of users and I will agree. That will include being able to view web pages that are IE bug dependent, interoperating 100% with other Office users, and being able to play games.
Bullshit, if by "Linux" you refer to GNU/Linunx distros.
I don't know what kind of application support is acceptable, but for all the home users I know, Ubuntu GNU/Linux is enough. It connects you to the Internet, has OpenOffice, even some games, and you can install Mame and play old games. Modern games, well, I only know a couple of people that own 3d accels, anyway, and for the other people skill set, they would be much better off buying a console than a 3d card for the same price.
Viewing IE dependent pages is stupid too. I have just come across two pages that are that way. Wth the rise in Firefox usage, most popular websites and webapps will have to get fixed eventually.
Interoperating 100% with Microsoft Office users is not that much important. Plus it's can't be a measure of the completeness of an application, to be able to reverse engineer an hostile competitor formats.
Over the years, people should understand the importance of having their data stored in reasonably documented formats that can assure retrieval (I have no evidence that MS formats are). Then, office compatibility would be a non issue. But that's a problem with people, not with OpenOffice.
Open Office 1.1.3 does a great job with MsWord and MsExcel documents. There are still some problems, but nothing that harms too mumch interoperability. It's superior right now in many respects. For example, database access from oocalc, and formula editing from oowriter are way easier to configure than with MSoffice.
What I mean is that the current situation is not the result of a technical lack of features of the "Linux" desktop. It's just a lack of incentive for people to use other tools than what MS sells them. Now, whoever wants to stop using MS, can. I did, a long time ago, and never looked back.
It's _not_ stealing. It's copyright infringement. It's unethical. It's fraud. The author claims to have written it, when someone else has.
Finally, the final user (the one the GPL tries to protect) is ripped off of two fundamental aspects of freedom regarding software, the freedom to change the code themselves (no source) and to share their improvements (again no source). Again, it's not stealing. It's wrong and it's a fraud, and it harms the user.
You are right. it's not stolen. There's no such a thing as "intellectual property". Anyhow, it violates the GPL, so it's unethical and a breach of the license they were handed. So they don't have the right to distributed the GPLed code. Unauthorized distribution. Theft of identity, maybe, they say they are the authors, and they arent.
Copyright is bad always. The GPL uses it to tun it around. In no way does Copyright help GPL. The GPL is a tool we use _against_ the aggressive use of copyrights. Of course, there are lots of people who use copyright in a non abusive manner. That doesn't mean that copyright laws do work.
My country was a service-based economy once. Uruguay, 2000. They said that we were too small for production, so they let every industry fall, and promoted financial services, and tourism.
Uruguay, 2002. The Peso falls to 0.4 it's value in dollars, and we had more than a quarter people unemployed, more tenth of the country is now living in other places where there is work.
Uruguay, 2004. Things starting to fall in place. Salaries are low-low but slowly rising. The center-left wins the government. They talk about building a production based country. Most people agree with them.
I'm not saying the US would be the same. For example, the world big players won't let the US financial system fall, but I believe that the service based economy is quite dumb, and cannot work in reality. Of course it would be different too in the US, because there's no left politicians, only ultra-right, right, and moderate right, but that's another story.
Slashdot Mirror
The right for cheap gas seems to be exclusive for the US (In my country we have always paid 1 US dollar a liter, and it's rising now that the US dollar is cheaper).
From the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html):Of course, if you are from the US, you can always ignore the UN. I believe it's worthless right now, too.
Hey! you people!!
This was a nice candidate for an april fools joke.
The fuun of it is not in calling it when you see it. It's just the other way around, waiting or even baiting for those who fall for the joke, so you can get a good laugh.
Getting a first post that says "April Fools, hehehehe" takes away most of the fun. After that, you know you will be seeing very few poor guys who fell for the joke.
Parents are responsible for what their kids are exposed to.
If parents think GTA is bad for kids, then parents shouldn't let them play the game . If kids _were_ harmed playing it, then it would be their parents' fault.
I don't think it's bad. Children can understand the difference between fantasy and reality. Of course, an XBox is not the best nanny, but it's not harmful by itself, either.
For example, reading H. P. Lovecraft has more potential of being harmful to kids, and noone is thinking about limiting his books distribution.
As I told you, read the slashdot blurb of the discussion, and read the article.
.NET licenses for free, but you have to buy from me the rest of the software, and the databases for your lab [actual story]).
In the article, FOSS means free software (in the sense of freedom) / open source software (in the sense of OSI-compatible).
In slashdot, FOSS means exactly the same.
In your discussion with your managers, FOSS can mean whatever they want it to mean. When you post to slashdot, whatever you post will be interpreted 1 - according to its common meaning in slashdot, 2 - according to how it's used in TFA, or 3 - according to its usual english meaning.
That's because communities have their own way of communicating, and that includes different meaning for the same terms, in different contexts.
If in your ignorant management world, FOSS means free (as in "no cost") open source software (as in whatever you want it to mean), you should explain that, but before you use it, so when for example, I read you, I know what you mean by that.
There is another world, where manager are not ignorant, and when you say something is free, they ask what the actual cost is, and so you can talk about the risks in developing for the free as in "no cost" java platform, or the risks with GPL software, or the risks of using closed freeware, or special offers from a proprietary software provider (like: you get 20 visual studio
Even managers are not that dumb, they understand there is something hidden behind "free" stuff. Those that do their jobs try to understand what "free" means in every case.
I was talking about open source ('look, here is the source code!') software that costs nothing. Using the English language, that is free, open source. If you have more specific terms, use those (e.g. GPL, BSD license etc.).
OK
Nice way to defend your point, redefining terms in the middle of a discussion.
Look at the title of this page. Then RTFA. They are using a term that is becoming frequent, and is incorrect. It doesn't mean what you think it means.
You are right.
1 - I was commenting on the "use" part of the comment. I wasn't jujst disagreeing with the poster, I was pointing out an issue, that use is not limited by the GPL, and distribution is.
2 - In a completely unrelated issue... Of course FOSS is more than just the GPL. FOSS is another useless blanket term that doesn't help understanding either free or open source software.
Free software is one thing, it has to do with freedom, especially the freedom of the user, every user. The GPL has something to do with free software.
Open source is about technical stuff. It's non trivial to differentiate OSS from free software. OSS is usually nice for developers, but doesn't assure anything. You only have the warranty to be able to look at the software.
Using one term to talk about free and open source software doesnt help anybody. If you are talking about free software, you don't need to say it's open source, because there are few exceptions that aren't open source. If you are talking about non-free OSS software, Free/OpenSource is not correct, and it's misleading the reader.
Anyway, it's either useless, or incorrect.
Proprietary software means software that someone can make copyright or patent claims on in such a way as to get the state to use force to prevent you from using or sharing the software in certain ways. That's politics.
.....
That also describes the licensing of many FOSS projects.
If you are talking about the GPL, the GPL almost doesn't control the way you use the software. It controls the way you share it. Gives you all the freedom as a user, and takes some away as a distributor, compared to public domain. If you abuse your distribution rights, you can lose your usage rights, too.
As a side note, I wouldnt use the word "empire" when not referring to government. The MS situation isn't pretty, but its hardly geopolitics regardless of how strongly geeks identify with the issue.
Bill Gates tried to talk Brazil president Lula into changing his government decisions.
Of course, he didn't even agree to a meeting, but that has some resemblance of someone seeking world domination.
I believe that you are referring, by "standard Ethernet cabling", to RG-58, or to the garden hose that was used for 10base5 ethernet.
unlikely. the current generation of 3d cards are all polygon-pushers. Direct3D/OpenGL are all about polygons. virtually all raytracing is done by the CPU.
/could/ be provided half baked for games, with the 3d card performing the last phase.
Are not just polygon pushers since a long time now. You should watch Doom3, maybe.
For example, with nvidia shaders 2.0, in a nvidia 5900, there's some people who built a photon mapping kind-of-realtime renderer. I'm sure with the new cards, it could be actually realtime.
For your information, ray tracing is far, far from providing the best results, party because of its failure to represent complex diffuse-specular interactions (caustics being the most visible difference).
Photon mapping is veeeery slow, but comprises two phases, so it
disability, number 2 m-w definition, that's what I was talking about
disability, number 1 m-w definition, refers to disabled, and then : incapacitated, physically impaired. The same.
You should follow you web research to its end, dear troll.
If I'm missing an arm, but I'm still productive and happy, it doesn't mean I'm still not handicapped.
If you were _as_ productive and _as_ happy as if you weren't missing an arm, you would have a hard time convincing _me_ that you are handicapped. Handicaps involve disadvantages. Thos disdvantages are measured relatively. If you can be as productive as anyone else, you have no disadvantages. Different individuals have different physical abilities, when your set of physical abilities constitutes a disadvantage, you are handicapped, when it doesn't, you are not.
(of course, I don't believe you can be as productive with one hand as you can be with two, but I just extrapolated your comment)
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No way.
God doesn't play dice.
Or your PDA is stolen, and you forgot to backup the last changed passwords.
I'm not complaining about unauthorized distribution.
I'm complaining about its being unethical.
I'm complaining about the guy defrauding people into believing he wrote the code. It would be like me remixing the last Red Hot Chili Peppers album, and selling it on record stores, like "Orasio's new super hits". It's not the copying the most important thing, it's the fraud I would be commiting.
mp3 rant in reply to your accusation of being "hypocritical"
-----------
I am not slashdot, we have these numbers that can tell us apart. We are not a hive of bees.
I don't think kazaa is a good way to distribute music, I don't think it's good, ethically, but I think it's worse, ethically, to misguide a buyer into paying 20 bucks for a CD, when just 1 - 2 dollars go to the artist, because the buyer is deceived into believing he is supporting the artist, and he is mostly just supporting the recording company.
That's what makes mp3 downloading _seem_ right, the fact that there's no better way to get music. You could download the mp3, and send money directly to them, o through a distribution channel that didn't keep 95% of the money you send them.
Anyhow, I don't do neither. I don't buy CDs, but I only collect mp3 ripping them from loaned CDs. I don't think it's right either, but I can't find a better way to do it, other than buying from the artist, which I have done some times.
------
END of mp3 rant
Since when is stating the obvious "+1, Insightful"?
Let me know when it is and when there is sufficient general application support that is acceptable for 90%+ of users and I will agree. That will include being able to view web pages that are IE bug dependent, interoperating 100% with other Office users, and being able to play games.
Bullshit, if by "Linux" you refer to GNU/Linunx distros.
I don't know what kind of application support is acceptable, but for all the home users I know, Ubuntu GNU/Linux is enough. It connects you to the Internet, has OpenOffice, even some games, and you can install Mame and play old games. Modern games, well, I only know a couple of people that own 3d accels, anyway, and for the other people skill set, they would be much better off buying a console than a 3d card for the same price.
Viewing IE dependent pages is stupid too. I have just come across two pages that are that way. Wth the rise in Firefox usage, most popular websites and webapps will have to get fixed eventually.
Interoperating 100% with Microsoft Office users is not that much important. Plus it's can't be a measure of the completeness of an application, to be able to reverse engineer an hostile competitor formats.
Over the years, people should understand the importance of having their data stored in reasonably documented formats that can assure retrieval (I have no evidence that MS formats are). Then, office compatibility would be a non issue. But that's a problem with people, not with OpenOffice.
Open Office 1.1.3 does a great job with MsWord and MsExcel documents.
There are still some problems, but nothing that harms too mumch interoperability.
It's superior right now in many respects. For example, database access from oocalc, and formula editing from oowriter are way easier to configure than with MSoffice.
What I mean is that the current situation is not the result of a technical lack of features of the "Linux" desktop.
It's just a lack of incentive for people to use other tools than what MS sells them.
Now, whoever wants to stop using MS, can. I did, a long time ago, and never looked back.
It's _not_ stealing.
It's copyright infringement.
It's unethical.
It's fraud. The author claims to have written it, when someone else has.
Finally, the final user (the one the GPL tries to protect) is ripped off of two fundamental aspects of freedom regarding software, the freedom to change the code themselves (no source) and to share their improvements (again no source).
Again, it's not stealing. It's wrong and it's a fraud, and it harms the user.
You are right. it's not stolen.
There's no such a thing as "intellectual property".
Anyhow, it violates the GPL, so it's unethical and a breach of the license they were handed. So they don't have the right to distributed the GPLed code.
Unauthorized distribution.
Theft of identity, maybe, they say they are the authors, and they arent.
On your point #3:
Copyright is bad always. The GPL uses it to tun it around. In no way does Copyright help GPL. The GPL is a tool we use _against_ the aggressive use of copyrights.
Of course, there are lots of people who use copyright in a non abusive manner. That doesn't mean that copyright laws do work.
My country was a service-based economy once.
Uruguay, 2000.
They said that we were too small for production, so they let every industry fall, and promoted financial services, and tourism.
Uruguay, 2002. The Peso falls to 0.4 it's value in dollars, and we had more than a quarter people unemployed, more tenth of the country is now living in other places where there is work.
Uruguay, 2004. Things starting to fall in place. Salaries are low-low but slowly rising. The center-left wins the government. They talk about building a production based country. Most people agree with them.
I'm not saying the US would be the same. For example, the world big players won't let the US financial system fall, but I believe that the service based economy is quite dumb, and cannot work in reality. Of course it would be different too in the US, because there's no left politicians, only ultra-right, right, and moderate right, but that's another story.