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Smartphone Shipments Expected To Drop for the Third Consecutive Year in 2019 (idc.com)

Research firm IDC projects: The smartphone market continues to be challenged and 2019 is projected to experience its third consecutive year of declining shipments. Worldwide smartphone volumes are forecast to fall by 0.8% in 2019 with volumes dipping to 1.39 billion. However, the smartphone market will begin to pick up momentum this year with year-over-year growth of 2.3% expected in the second half of the year. Over the long term, smartphone shipments are forecast to reach 1.54 billion units in 2023.

The current year is expected to witness a new high for technological innovation with the introduction of foldable devices and 5G smartphones. Marketing buzz around 5G is in its early stages but expected to ramp up quickly. And while use cases for upgrading to a 5G device/service remain unclear, it is evident that after 2019 the adoption will begin to attain significant numbers. IDC currently expects 5G smartphone shipments to account for roughly 1 out of every 4 smartphones shipped globally in 2023.

73 comments

  1. Thank goodness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe now we can split PDAs and cell phones apart once again.

    1. Re:Thank goodness by Drethon · · Score: 1

      I bought a new iPod last year. I prefer my music player and phone having separate batteries and storage. Though the iPod has not aged as well as I'd like (seem to have consistent interface and music app glitches and the battery life is horrid vs what it used to be).

    2. Re:Thank goodness by fluffernutter · · Score: 0

      I had a Palm IIIxe and loved it, but it of course got outdated. I bought an iPod hoping that smartphones would be the next generation, but have yet to find any app that can function across all my devices without going to the cloud, so I mostly use my smartphone as a cellphone and mp3 player.

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    3. Re:Thank goodness by fluffernutter · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Soon most people who care about sound quality at even a basic level will have to go to stand alone music players since phones are losing headphone jacks.

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    4. Re:Thank goodness by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      People who are concerned about sound quality do no use mobile music players. If you want good sound quality you will need a big set of speakers (even if not played loud, the bigger speakers are able to better reproduce the sound scale), properly placed. And played with media that isn't lossy compressed.

      If I am on the Go, I am listening to music while doing something else, I will not be listening to the overtones, and determining what each instrument is doing in the music, while I am driving, or doing work.

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    5. Re:Thank goodness by jellomizer · · Score: 0

      Back in the days I had a Palm III. I also have an iPad. Both of these were the worst investment in technology I have spent. After a few hours of playing, they are mostly just left on the shelf. Because while I will carry my phone, having to carry a phone (which is now a single chip, and a wire) and a PDA. I have one thing I can use.

      Coverage in my area has improved greatly in the past decade, so I am no longer needing a special phone with massive range. Going back to PDA and Cell phone doesn't seem practical.

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    6. Re:Thank goodness by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      You're saying no one who listens to music other than in their house ever cares about sound quality, simply based on the fact that mobile sound is not the *best* sound available? Hm.

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    7. Re:Thank goodness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can get a USB DAC with better quality than the average 3.5mm equipped smartphone.
      Or headphones with USB DAC integrated. Those can also use USB power for active noise cancelling, so you don't need extra batteries.
      (Yes, it all sucks juice from your phone. That can be solved by choosing a phone with bigger battery.)

  2. Obligatory Hipster Comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    People still use smartphones?

    1. Re: Obligatory Hipster Comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was thinking the same. Many examples come to mind. Too many to list here

    2. Re:Obligatory Hipster Comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People still use gaybuttdongs?

  3. i use a creimerphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it has all the pizza place numbers built-in and always redirects to creimer tweets and self-aggrandizing puffery

    1. Re:i use a creimerphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creimer has a winning track record against pedophiles and trolls.

  4. They are lasting longer by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not like fewer people want smartphones...

    What is happening, is that there is decreasing value in getting the latest model. It makes a lot more sense to wait three years before getting a new phone than it did before... on top of higher prices, people are waiting.

    It will be interesting to see what this new slower wave of smart phone replacements as primary market looks like... will phone makers start to not release new models quite so often?

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    1. Re:They are lasting longer by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Yep. Same thing happened with PC's. "Back in the day" you really needed to buy a computer every few years to stay up to date. These days most of the PC's in my home are close to 10 years old.

      Smartphones - same. I bought a premium phone in 2016 (Galaxy S7) and was fine with it until it died on me. I replaced it with another 2016 vintage used phone (an LG V20) and am equally happy with it. Honestly I'll probably use this phone too until it actually stops working.

      A smartphone is a great tool - but honestly there's only so much more to do with them. The cameras are already good. The GPS works well. It's fast enough to run all the apps I use (which is mostly web browsing, email, and social media). Software updates to make them more stable would be nice but as for the hardware - it's fine.

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    2. Re:They are lasting longer by hjf · · Score: 1

      No, the market is just too saturated.
      Time to open up the market to the next billion people. Let developed nations make actual efforts to take africa, latin america, and asia from poverty and there's a billion more potential clients.

    3. Re:They are lasting longer by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Probably people start to get wise and look how long they will be getting updates before buying. Personally, I have an absolute requirement of a replaceable battery and current Lineage being supported or I will simply not buy.

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    4. Re:They are lasting longer by sd4f · · Score: 1

      If they supported the software for a little longer, and did a battery change, there's no other reason now why they couldn't last for about 5 years. The phones get forced into obsolescence through lack of support.

    5. Re:They are lasting longer by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Indeed. There is no need for more speed, memory, etc. at all at this time. Sure, vendors try to get people to keep buying faster hardware, but there is only so much they can do, battery, heat and form-factor being what they are and screen resolutions already being vastly higher than needed. On the PC side, a 10 year old mid-range machine is still working fine even for gaming, because there are similar limits. The hardware revolution is over, hardware is mostly finished and will now improve only very, very slowly and more in directions like less energy use for the same speed.

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    6. Re:They are lasting longer by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

      I bought a premium phone in 2016 (Galaxy S7) and was fine with it until it died on me.

      After less than three years? What kind of PoS is that? In my family we own eight old phones, none of them Samsung, none of them premium, at least six of them more than three years old - and all of them still functional.

    7. Re:They are lasting longer by geekmux · · Score: 1

      It will be interesting to see what this new slower wave of smart phone replacements as primary market looks like... will phone makers start to not release new models quite so often?

      While that would be logical, it will never happen. Shareholders demand growth, because they're greedy. They expect ridiculous sales numbers to simply last into infinity, even after you've populated the world with a product.

      So, what will actually happen is software support will get shorter and shorter, security updates and patching will be designed to hobble "old" hardware more, forcing more consumers to purchase the latest model.

      And like cars, they'll propose leasing new hardware instead of buying it as a marketing tactic to always keep the latest model in your hand while you agree to simply pay forever for it (which is essentially what we do already, by the time you finish paying off shitty hardware today, it's ready to be replaced)

      And the only thing that will stop this, is if we actually start cracking down on disposable hardware due to the environmental impact, and taxing the shit out of companies who insist on making shit hardware that fills landfills prematurely. Unfortunately, there's likely no way you're going to get getting humans more worried about the planet than the latest smartphone.

    8. Re:They are lasting longer by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      I bought a premium phone in 2016 (Galaxy S7) and was fine with it until it died on me.

      After less than three years? What kind of PoS is that? In my family we own eight old phones, none of them Samsung, none of them premium, at least six of them more than three years old - and all of them still functional.

      Typically it is the battery that goes first (which is a great thing about the phone he switched to, batteries are easily replaced by end user)

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    9. Re:They are lasting longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If they supported the software for a little longer, and did a battery change, there's no other reason now why they couldn't last for about 5 years."

      You're buying the wrong brand of phone. I bought an iPhone 6 in late 2014, and it's still going strong. It can run the latest iOS version, and a replacement battery is $29.95, installed. Bitch all you want about Apple, but they do offer support for the iPhone for a long time.

    10. Re:They are lasting longer by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The thing is all the technology has moved to the Cloud. Where the App provider needs to deal with improving its technology and speed. While the Cell phone needs to be just powerful enough to display the information without lag. Screen Resolution today is insane, and they run as fast as a 3 year old PC. There isn't much needed for us to Upgrade our phones for. Even the Game market has not fully used the power of the Phone, with most of the games being low quality shareware stuff we had 30 years ago.

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    11. Re:They are lasting longer by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      But no money in it.

    12. Re:They are lasting longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > These days most of the PC's in my home are close to 10 years old.

      I've got a first gen Core series computer. Works find for every day tasks, but more cores would be better for converting video and whatnot. That's why I'm looking to upgrade to a Ryzen 3000 desktop when they are released later this year.

    13. Re:They are lasting longer by sd4f · · Score: 1

      Yea, I don't bitch about apple where credit is due, even microsoft still support their dead mobile operating system, but google/android, 2 years is about it.

    14. Re:They are lasting longer by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Yeah I wasn't happy about the S7 dying but it was out of warranty and I don't typically keep insurance on my phones (with the monthly costs plus it still costing $100 anyways for a replacement it's cheaper for me to just get another used phone in good condition if my phone breaks or is damaged).

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    15. Re:They are lasting longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you get a Pixel, which is what I did. Three years support. After than long, I want to upgrade.

    16. Re:They are lasting longer by hjf · · Score: 1

      Son, are you dumb? Didn't you read what I just wrote?

      This isn't a thing that happens from one day to another. It's a process that takes decades. Latin America is a huge market but useless because the US only sees LATAM as a strategic resources reserve and keeps all these economies underdeveloped so they won't use up those minerals. God forbid they develop and start having money, and defense, and ally with "evil" countries such as China or Russia.

      Do you think Venezuela is poor because of socialism? The country with the largest oil reserves in the world is poor because the US decided it should be that way.

    17. Re:They are lasting longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And nobody actually wants "5G". It is just another tech "jump" being shoved down on us, forcing new phone sales. In fact, when they threaten to turn off the old network, I might throw the phone out for good. No landline, no TV, no cable or satellite, no smartphone. Just give me unlimited cheap raw internet and leave.
      captcha -subpoena (boy, that was fast! AI flagged me as a threat already?)

    18. Re:They are lasting longer by havana9 · · Score: 1

      On top of this, the flagship models are expensive when lower end model are fully adequate for most users, and actually flagship models have less capabilities like headphone jacks and SD card slots. Older flagship models are still quite capable nowadays so people aren't interested to upgrade. It's almost the same thing happened on personal computers. People are still buying PC but is a substitution market.

    19. Re:They are lasting longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pull you head out of your ass.
      Venezuela is poor because of SOCIALISM, not because the US "decided it should be that way."
      Get a BRAIN, then GET EDUCATED.

    20. Re:They are lasting longer by mjwx · · Score: 1

      It's not like fewer people want smartphones...

      What is happening, is that there is decreasing value in getting the latest model. It makes a lot more sense to wait three years before getting a new phone than it did before... on top of higher prices, people are waiting.

      It will be interesting to see what this new slower wave of smart phone replacements as primary market looks like... will phone makers start to not release new models quite so often?

      And now from the non-Apple fanboy newsdesk.

      Phones haven't really increased in price if we exclude Apple and even Apple keeps a low end (read last years) phone at a lower than insane price. However for normal people, prices have remained fairly stagnant over the last few years for average phones. I paid £270 for my Nexus 5x over 3 years ago and about the same for my Nokia 7.1 a bit over 3 months ago. The only reason I bought the Nokia 7.1 was because my venerable Nexus 5x sadly died.

      And that, ladies and gentlemen is why phone sales are falling. The phones are now good enough to keep for a few years until they die. It's become as mature as the laptop market, there is no real impetus to upgrade any more. New releases are slightly more powerful, each OS update only provides minor benefits that are invisible to the average user. People just can't justify shelling out 300 quid a year for a new phone. People are now replacing their phones either when a 2 year contract expires or via attrition.

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    21. Re:They are lasting longer by hjf · · Score: 1

      OK then why are most latin american countries, poor? You have broad spectrum of open economies (such as chile) to full dictatorship socialism (venezuela). And they are ALL poor. ALL of them.
      Maybe the problem isn't socialism after all.

  5. Foldable, maybe. 5G, meh. by green1 · · Score: 2

    5G is the future, but there's just no way to take advantage of it in any meaningful way. Sure, it's faster, but I can't really use the existing LTE speed as I could theoretically blow through my data cap in just a couple of minutes, and even the largest available data caps in my country quite quickly. additionally, there's just nothing I would do on a phone that would need that kind of speed.

    It's great that they're going that way, but it won't make me rush out and buy a new phone. What WOULD make me buy a new phone is if they had some innovative new feature, but that ship seems to have sailed as every phone in the last 5 years has fewer features than the one before it. (removal of IR ports, headphone jacks, replaceable batteries, HDMI output. Phone screens that claim to be larger, but are smaller due to ridiculous aspect ratios. Materials that are designed to make the phones more breakable). "upgrading" is now seen as a risk to see what you'll be forced to lose just to get a slightly faster processor and an up to date operating system and meanwhile the prices of phones are skyrocketing through the roof (the Note 9 is more than double the price of the note 4, yet has a smaller screen, no ir port, no replaceable battery, and an easily shattered super slippery glass back). I'm not yet convinced that "foldable" is the new feature that would do it for me though, it has potential, but I'm just not sold on it yet.

    What phone manufacturers need to do if they want people to keep upgrading is to make the new phone feel like it's actually BETTER than the one they are getting rid of, not just newer.

    1. Re:Foldable, maybe. 5G, meh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They already do this with Android phones by refusing to push out any Android OS updates after the phone drops off their support radar. This means that if users want to play the latest games that require the latest flavor of Android, they are stuck on an upgrade mill. Good new is that Android phones are typically cheap as long as you don't buy Samsung and stay away from the major carriers. The problem is that Google is a piece of shit company that mines every bit of data that they can wring out of you and are more than happy to sell all that to anyone with two cents to rub together.

      Apple just stops supporting phones after a few years.

    2. Re:Foldable, maybe. 5G, meh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This means that if users want to play the latest games that require the latest flavor of Android, " - What kind of idiot is this?

    3. Re:Foldable, maybe. 5G, meh. by b0bby · · Score: 1

      What WOULD make me buy a new phone is if they had some innovative new feature, but that ship seems to have sailed as every phone in the last 5 years has fewer features than the one before it. ...

      What phone manufacturers need to do if they want people to keep upgrading is to make the new phone feel like it's actually BETTER than the one they are getting rid of, not just newer.

      One area in which they have made huge improvements is in the cameras. That was 90% of the reason I bought my Pixel 3. Pretty much all I use my phone for is basic texting, light web browsing, Waze - and taking lots of photos. I have an SLR, and a high quality compact, but I don't take them with me anymore unless there's some special reason. For 99% of day to day pictures, my phone now is just fine.

  6. And do you think this is news? by aglider · · Score: 2

    How many smartphones do you want to sell?
    Two for every single human?
    Then you won't be able to sell more than 14B devices. 5B is a more accurate estimate.
    Then the year after you'll sell only a few millions to replace the broken ones.

    This thing of the continuous growth is really really bul15h!t!

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    1. Re:And do you think this is news? by WankerWeasel · · Score: 1

      Your point is accurate. We do need to add in additional sales for those that switch from iOS to Android and vise versa, along with replacements for lost phones, and those coming of age who get their first phone. There are also those like some of my friends who will switch through several phones in a single year. But you're right, at some point you hit a critical mass where significant increases in sales aren't possible and shouldn't be expected.

    2. Re:And do you think this is news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously, but the newsworthy part is at which timescale/speed that process goes, as told by the periodic sales figures.

  7. Headphone Jacks and Unlocked Bootloaders by xack · · Score: 2

    Why don't you want my money?

    1. Re:Headphone Jacks and Unlocked Bootloaders by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Corporate greed and stupidity is the name of the game for a lot of tech products these days.

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    2. Re:Headphone Jacks and Unlocked Bootloaders by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Because they can make more money without your money.
      The headphone jack, is a big spot of empty space, which can be used for more battery, or an extra IC or censor.
      Even if they readded the headphone jacks, and unlock the boot loader, would you still buy the product, or you will find some other reason to not buy it from them.

      Making phones easier to hack, is great for us tech folks, but will also make phones insecure for the average Joe. So once their devices are known as insecure and prone to spyware and viruses, there goes their profit. Much more then a few happy xacks

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    3. Re:Headphone Jacks and Unlocked Bootloaders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget easy to replace batteries.

    4. Re:Headphone Jacks and Unlocked Bootloaders by sjames · · Score: 1

      It's easy to make physical presence necessary to update a phone.

      As for the headphone and more battery, HAHAHAHAHAHA. They'll just make it thinner and more fragile instead of adding more battery. All so the buyer can immediately lock it away in a chunky case to restore the durability that should never have been engineered out in the first place.

      If they really want to continue with sales, they're going to have to get over their idea that everybody wants X (whatever X happens to be today) and recognize that some want X and some want Y which may be mutually exclusive with X. They can either sell X, Y or one of each.

    5. Re:Headphone Jacks and Unlocked Bootloaders by jbengt · · Score: 1

      The headphone jack, is a big spot of empty space, which can be used for more battery, or an extra IC or censor.

      So no more phone porn for you then.

    6. Re: Headphone Jacks and Unlocked Bootloaders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They get your money through their decidedly average Beats headphones.

      Didja see how much they paid for the Beats company? Recouping that is where your answer lies.

    7. Re:Headphone Jacks and Unlocked Bootloaders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people seem to prefer thin, so they would be stupid to not engineer all that out.
      For the people that don't, there still exist chunky phones with jack, big swappable battery, unlockable bootloader, etc.
      Naturally the choice on that front is limited, because such phones already exist and don't get spectacular sales.
      So why invest in that?

      Also, many people say for example, that battery life is THE most important thing, why oh why don't they make them bigger?
      Well because despite claiming that, those people keep voting with their wallet on the latest shiny thin phones with small batteries.
      And then complaining a lot, hoping that somehow the manufacturers find that a more trustworthy input to their future designs than their actual purchase decisions.

    8. Re:Headphone Jacks and Unlocked Bootloaders by sjames · · Score: 1

      Most people seem to prefer thin, so they would be stupid to not engineer all that out.

      Given that most thin phones I see "in the wild" are encased in thick chunky protective covers, I'm not so sure about that.

      People choose those because those are the ones with faster processors and brighter screens (features they ACTUALLY want).

      The thick chunky phones with replacable batteries and a headphone jack tend to have otherwise older and slower tech.

    9. Re:Headphone Jacks and Unlocked Bootloaders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (same AC)
      If you use a case, that doesn't mean you don't want thin.
      Adding a bigger battery and jack etc, that would not only make the phone thicker, but also the total of phone+case (assuming similar case thickness).
      That of course says nothing about built in protection, but with that you can't choose how much protection/thickness you want, or what shape (book cover etc), which you can with a case.

      And yes it would be great if everyone can choose their ideal phone, just pointing out it's understandable why we can't.
      At least with help of a case you can choose your own protection/size balance.
      When the group that wants the kitchen sink (including topend SoC) is big enough, that's a huge market opportunity for someone to service them.
      If no one does, that seems like it would be some very easy big money to be made for some newcomers.
      As there are so many people complaining, I'm waiting for some of them to have a go at it (and be successful).
      My guess is that manufacturers aren't stupid, given what is at stake, and know full well what the public will buy, and they have determined servicing that group just isn't worthwile.

      Maybe in USA you have even less choice on top of that, as telco's seem to be able to limit your choice of phones even further? At least I often hear people about phones not available on this or that carrier etc.
      Here in EU, telcos have the honor of giving us the SIM and then they can fuck off. So maybe lack of choice is less of a problem here.

    10. Re:Headphone Jacks and Unlocked Bootloaders by sjames · · Score: 1

      I suspect the differing market in the EU does make a difference. Here in the U.S. you mostly have to pick the carrier that best covers the areas you expect to be in, then choose a phone they support.

      If you CAN choose a thicker more durable phone, you don't need a case for it. And as long as you have a thicker phone, it might as well have a decent battery and a headphone jack.

    11. Re:Headphone Jacks and Unlocked Bootloaders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't understand how business or economics work, do you?
      Profit is a GOOD thing as long as there's competition. The profit motive is what drives quality improvements, technological innovation, product development, distribution, financing, etc. People like you like to shame business people by labeling them "greedy." If wanting to maximize my business profits and create a better life for myself and my family is "greed," them I'm happy to be greedy. I have no doubt you're just as "greedy" as the next person.

  8. Already have 5 or 6 by Zorro · · Score: 1

    Don't really need any more.

    The old ones without a data plan become useful controllers of various things or small streaming devices hooked to the wireless router.

    1. Re:Already have 5 or 6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me too ("5 or 6"). Actually, by using VoIP software, the old ones become another phone.

      If it wasn't for stupid fucking 2fa not working on VoIP numbers reliably, I'd have ditched my remaining carrier number by now. As it is, I just use it as a hotspot for my VoIP phones.

      Anyways, I want fucking ruggedized in a new phone, not a fucking fragile glass slab. Duh.

  9. Why should I care about 5G? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    4G is already largely "fast enough". I don't care about streaming an HD movie on my freaking phone. The problems I have with 4G are occasional problems getting a connection inside a big box store. 5G isn't going to solve that, and it's a pretty minor problem anyway.

    Smart phones reached "good enough" about 3-4 years ago, and recent models don't offer much more. Even a phone from 2012 is still at least somewhat usable if you don't install bloatware like Facebook on it. It still functions as a phone and a browser, though there's an increasing amount of apps that won't run. But the fact that a 7 year old phone is still usable means that some people just don't need to upgrade if they don't have to.

  10. Snarky comment by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

    The lamentations from executives being disabused of the notion of infinite growth could not be heard due to a missing dongle. Just one more unintended consequence after removing the headphone jack.

  11. Nope by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 1

    a new high(1) for technological innovation with the introduction of foldable(2) devices and 5G(3) smartphones

    1 Nothing high from here.

    2 super expensive, super easily breakable devices which are meant to replace tablets which are barely used nowadays?

    3 Really? Like we don't already have 4G which is more than enough for most of people and still inaccessible for the rest (either no infrastructure or extremely expensive)?

    Sorry, as for smartphones we reached "good enough" several years ago and all the fuzz about new tech is mostly a fizzling.

    1. Re:Nope by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 1

      Nowadays there are two main drivers of a smartphone upgrade: dead irreplaceable battery (thanks to the fact that modern smartphones are not user serviceable) or/and physical damage. New tech? Meh.

  12. My OPO still works fine by EmagGeek · · Score: 1

    I have a Oneplus One I bought when it first came out. It still works fine with LineageOS, and I still get 2 days of battery life since I don't have any non-essential apps on it.

    It has a headphone jack and expandable storage. I will never buy a phone without both of these things.

    1. Re:My OPO still works fine by Typing_Ptarmigan · · Score: 1

      EmagGeek, you might like the Nokia 7.1. It has both a headphone jack and expandable storage. Mine is running Android 9 with the security patch level February 1, 2019. $300. It will get two years of OS updates and three years of security patches.

  13. Re:Cheeto's Assault on the Middle Class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2024 can't come soon enough for you, eh?

  14. They said 5G would raise caps by tepples · · Score: 1

    Really? Like we don't already have 4G which is more than enough for most of people

    Much of it depends on to what extent the greater theoretical capacity of 5G translates into higher monthly data usage quotas offered by cellular ISPs. "Unlimited" plans in USA carry a big asterisk about hotspot use.

  15. Hint. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop making shit. Samsung S5 is "the last phone". People still buy it for Lineage OS, overall construction quality, removable battery and lack of courage. Damn thing also appearantly works underwater. I got Xperia XA2 Ultra for Sailfish OS just so I can spoof and kill Android at will. Seriously considering joining any project goal of which is to poison any data being collected. Not for fun. Out of principle. Give Google both fingers. And I fucking hate shit that Sony pulls.

    They can take their ultra thin foldable phones and shove em right up their ass. Now THAT is courage.

    1. Re:Hint. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i have an s5. for the most part the phone is fine. but the camera is kindof crap, and the battery life isn't great (i even bought a replacement from an official samsung repair dealer), and the bottom half of the screen is starting to flicker bright yellow before it turns the screen off... on the other hand, phones haven't gotten much better since, except for the camera, but i hardly ever use my camera, meh.

    2. Re:Hint. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My s5 got splashed lightly with water and died. Phone repair guy told me it happened all the time because the sealing was a total joke, especially if you ever opened the back (to, say, replace the battery or put in a memory card).

      I also must admit it was uglier than sin.

  16. World's most boring faggot Kendall to pontificate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's hilarious how uninformed and stupid Kendall must be yet still promoting his idiocy as if it mattered. Lol.

  17. Wanting Isn't Enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, I agree that shareholders demand growth. And companies will make every effort to accommodate; really, they will innovate like nobody's business!

    Yet if consumer demand just isn't there, and innovation stalls, companies simply may not be able to perform above the level of national or international growth (however you choose to define that). No matter what they want.

    Really, do you think that Kodak didn't want to grow? How about Xerox, Sears, Toys 'R' Us? How about Ashton-Tate, Borland, WordPerfect Corp., DEC, Tandem, Sperry, Burroughs, MAI, Thinking Machines, nCUBE, and a thousand others? I know that some will want to argue the specifics but my point isn't about specifics. My point is that there is a difference between wanting something and being able to achieve that something.

    There are also plenty of people who want something but aren't prepared for the sacrifices needed to get it. There's another group of people who will claim they want something but actually want something else.

  18. It's the cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why spend $1k or more every year? Bring down the prices and I'm sure volumes will rise. I think 500-800 is the proper price range for smart phones

  19. Re:Cheeto's Assault on the Middle Class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And broke Commies are going to be buying phones hand over fist? Probably going to be more worried about getting food then buying phones.

  20. DUH! by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Market saturation, and the price of phones now, is causing consumers to KEEP what they have. Phones of the last few generations, if the battery holds out, are "good enough" for 99% of consumers usage. Once the $1,000 barrier was broken, more people are HOLDING onto their phones longer. Why do you think the "rush" to make a folding screen, no matter how stupid they look.