this is "self modifying hardware", similar to "self modifying code". but is it fair to call it chaotic? In a chaotic system, the process remains the same but the output varies. In this situation, both the process and the data change over time. Or can a chaotic system also be one where the rules change as well?? Experts??
personally, SMC is a bitch to debug, I can't imaging how one would begin to debug THIS beast...
Basically, it gives instructions for how to create a Safeway barcode. Hundreds of people use this same number when shopping, getting all the discounts, but completely obscuring their own tracks.
That's a good example. Because it WASN'T supposed to leak, but it DID. And that was just one example. I think when it comes to tinkering with the food supply, the risk is too great. FDA laws aren't going to stop companies like Monsanto from experimenting on us. And even if we do catch them doing something nefarious, it takes lots of $$$. Look at the farmers in canada being sued by Monsanto because their GM rapeseed(sp?) migrated it's way into a crop.
I'm not about to start dressing kids up in butterfly costumes and protesting phytobiological corporations, but I sure as hell try to eat certified organic food as much as possible (except when I go to restaurants that don't offer a choice, but fortunately I live in California, and there are dozens of organic rest nearby).
Since can "rapidly advance" all it wants, but growing organic foods, with no pesticides, in sustainable agriculture is so low tech a moron can do it: it requires no fancy science to make it safe.
I prefer to have my foods modified by selective breeding, not by inserting wacky genes and saying, OK lets see what THIS does to people.
None of your replies can possible contemplate the effect of trans-genetic modification. The only way to truly know if people will have an adverse affect to flounder+tomato genes (Calgene's brilliant invention) is to either:
a) spend billions and decades on primate research
b) spend millions and a few weeks buying politicians
I'm not anti GM when it is done like Mendel with pollen. Michael Shermer is fond of the corn analogy. What I strongly object to, and everyone else should as well, is inserting either synthesized genes or genes from other KINGDOMS into food.
That is a bad, bad, BAD idea because no company is willing to front the $$$ to really research the stuff. A company typically does this type of analysis: how much will it cost to prove a certain % of safety versus how much would a class action lawsuit cost us if one or more people die? since they can affect legislation to limit lawsuit damages, i suspect #2 will be far more cost effective in the future..
still feel OK with being a test-subject for trans-genetic modified foods, without even knowing it, because food producers lobbied to prevent a law that would require labeling?
And thus another urban legend is born. Hydrogen peroxide in concentrations greater than 3% is considered a hazardous material, and requires proper disposal.
http://www.orcbs.msu.edu/newsletters/April2000/h az matreport.htm
Exit signs are powered by radioactive Cadmium. They last ~20 years. The level of radiation is low enough that they are safe for preschools!
I think it would be trivial to build a lock mechanism with an embedded radioactive power supply and a lead shield (would need more Amps to flip a solenoid than illuminate a sign, hence more radiation).
Thanks, I was looking at the datasheet. So neither of us are shit-filled.
I don't think intel will ever admit AMD compatibility. Whether or not that's an ethical blunder? No such things as ethics in marketing, but I'm still not sure if I'm full of shit or not.
Well, I just tried to fact check your statement and the only references were the MMX trademark, but there are also references to 3DNow! (Shooting down your first point). But I couldn't find a single REFERENCE TO INTEL COMPATIBILITY in the Opteron 64 datasheet. (Shooting down your second point)
So either I looked in the wrong document, or you're full of shit. Please correct me if I'm wrong by pointing me to the AMD technical documentation and it's page #.
The luxury tax was introduced in 92 and had a 10 year lifespan, reducing each year. It had nothing to do with the 80s. And it did nothing to stop people from buying luxury items throughout the 90s.
Recall that a 15% luxury tax on a $100k car for someone who makes 10 million a year isn't going to stop them from buying.
Also, what yacht builders got wiped out? That's news to me. I recall plenty of doom-and-gloom predictions, but rich folk continued to indulge.
Not investing in the community means hiring illegal immigrants to wash toilets for $.25 an hour rather than $5.75 to pay someone in the unemployment line. (If you want to debate living wage, I'm up for it!;-)
This is how trickle down is supposed to work. One could argue the trickle down will stop working in India for the same reason it failed in the 80s: greed --
CEOs got tax breaks and used the money for huge bonuses, then hired illegal immigrants to build their multi-million dollar heated pools for their chalets in Colorado -- and then rather than investing in the community, closed factories and moved overseas to boost profits and increase bonuses.
That's why today we have a stock market boom and increasing unemployment. From my liberal viewpoint, tax increases boosted the economy by balancing the budget, stabilizing the prime rate, and reversing the greed that broke the trickle-down theory.
...also, your last example drives home my point. it would take a noob a day to figure it out in ASM, or a few minutes in C++. duh. thanks for making my point.
btw, your last example never reaches line 6. at least post code that works when trying to make your point next time. you also did't dereference ESI correctly for an indirect address, but now i'm just being mean, and you'll get there with experience.
Second, add stack frame setup to your ASM, and subtract the typedef from the C++ (unnecessary for your example) and they are the same size, and the C++ is far easier to read.
The point is I said ASM is pain in the ASS compared to C++. C++ is far more illustrative of what is happening than the ASM. And that was my point.
But you decided to call me an idiot and naive, when I'm not the one bragging about my knowledge on geek newsgroup. Obviously we can't prove who has the bigger dick, er, is the more experienced programmer, but anyone who claims a low-level language is easier to code in than a high-level language should just go back to plugging in wires and making punch-cards, because you missed the point of a HLL. It's a ridiculous position to argue.
Skeptic Magazine wrote a great article on Wolfram and his claims. After reading it, I got the impression Wolforam is a fraud, but the article didn't explicitly say that:
Slashdot Mirror
Whoa! Are you nuts!? I'm gonna explain to my mother that she needs to generate 30+ email addresses, that expirem, and manage them?!
That's one serious rube goldeberg solution, without the flying hamsters and flame throwers...
this is "self modifying hardware", similar to "self modifying code". but is it fair to call it chaotic? In a chaotic system, the process remains the same but the output varies. In this situation, both the process and the data change over time. Or can a chaotic system also be one where the rules change as well?? Experts??
personally, SMC is a bitch to debug, I can't imaging how one would begin to debug THIS beast...
Here is a culture jamming prank that has been going on in Sacramento for some time:
h opper.html
http://www.cockeyed.com/pranks/safeway/ultimate_s
Basically, it gives instructions for how to create a Safeway barcode. Hundreds of people use this same number when shopping, getting all the discounts, but completely obscuring their own tracks.
Please join!
That's a good example. Because it WASN'T supposed to leak, but it DID. And that was just one example. I think when it comes to tinkering with the food supply, the risk is too great. FDA laws aren't going to stop companies like Monsanto from experimenting on us. And even if we do catch them doing something nefarious, it takes lots of $$$. Look at the farmers in canada being sued by Monsanto because their GM rapeseed(sp?) migrated it's way into a crop.
I'm not about to start dressing kids up in butterfly costumes and protesting phytobiological corporations, but I sure as hell try to eat certified organic food as much as possible (except when I go to restaurants that don't offer a choice, but fortunately I live in California, and there are dozens of organic rest nearby).
Since can "rapidly advance" all it wants, but growing organic foods, with no pesticides, in sustainable agriculture is so low tech a moron can do it: it requires no fancy science to make it safe.
I prefer to have my foods modified by selective breeding, not by inserting wacky genes and saying, OK lets see what THIS does to people.
Hey Chum,
You know what I meant.
FYI: Ad hominem attacks originate from ignorance. Nice one.
None of your replies can possible contemplate the effect of trans-genetic modification. The only way to truly know if people will have an adverse affect to flounder+tomato genes (Calgene's brilliant invention) is to either:
a) spend billions and decades on primate research
b) spend millions and a few weeks buying politicians
I'm not anti GM when it is done like Mendel with pollen. Michael Shermer is fond of the corn analogy. What I strongly object to, and everyone else should as well, is inserting either synthesized genes or genes from other KINGDOMS into food.
That is a bad, bad, BAD idea because no company is willing to front the $$$ to really research the stuff. A company typically does this type of analysis: how much will it cost to prove a certain % of safety versus how much would a class action lawsuit cost us if one or more people die? since they can affect legislation to limit lawsuit damages, i suspect #2 will be far more cost effective in the future..
still feel OK with being a test-subject for trans-genetic modified foods, without even knowing it, because food producers lobbied to prevent a law that would require labeling?
i didn't think so.
And thus another urban legend is born. Hydrogen peroxide in concentrations greater than 3% is considered a hazardous material, and requires proper disposal.
h az matreport.htm
http://www.orcbs.msu.edu/newsletters/April2000/
In the words of the UPAC audience...
WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP!
(sorry, i'm a nostalgic alum)
Ah, thanks for the correction. Like mom always used to say, "Google first, then post..."
yes, the battery ran down erasing the flash memory.
what the heck are you talking about?
Exit signs are powered by radioactive Cadmium. They last ~20 years. The level of radiation is low enough that they are safe for preschools!
I think it would be trivial to build a lock mechanism with an embedded radioactive power supply and a lead shield (would need more Amps to flip a solenoid than illuminate a sign, hence more radiation).
Thanks, I was looking at the datasheet. So neither of us are shit-filled.
I don't think intel will ever admit AMD compatibility. Whether or not that's an ethical blunder? No such things as ethics in marketing, but I'm still not sure if I'm full of shit or not.
Well, I just tried to fact check your statement and the only references were the MMX trademark, but there are also references to 3DNow! (Shooting down your first point). But I couldn't find a single REFERENCE TO INTEL COMPATIBILITY in the Opteron 64 datasheet. (Shooting down your second point)
So either I looked in the wrong document, or you're full of shit. Please correct me if I'm wrong by pointing me to the AMD technical documentation and it's page #.
Then why didn't AMD thank intel for MMX, SSE and SSE-2, (which blew away 3DNow!)?
Maybe you selectively forgot about those.
The luxury tax was introduced in 92 and had a 10 year lifespan, reducing each year. It had nothing to do with the 80s. And it did nothing to stop people from buying luxury items throughout the 90s.
Recall that a 15% luxury tax on a $100k car for someone who makes 10 million a year isn't going to stop them from buying.
Also, what yacht builders got wiped out? That's news to me. I recall plenty of doom-and-gloom predictions, but rich folk continued to indulge.
Not investing in the community means hiring illegal immigrants to wash toilets for $.25 an hour rather than $5.75 to pay someone in the unemployment line. (If you want to debate living wage, I'm up for it!
This is how trickle down is supposed to work. One could argue the trickle down will stop working in India for the same reason it failed in the 80s: greed --
;-)
CEOs got tax breaks and used the money for huge bonuses, then hired illegal immigrants to build their multi-million dollar heated pools for their chalets in Colorado -- and then rather than investing in the community, closed factories and moved overseas to boost profits and increase bonuses.
That's why today we have a stock market boom and increasing unemployment. From my liberal viewpoint, tax increases boosted the economy by balancing the budget, stabilizing the prime rate, and reversing the greed that broke the trickle-down theory.
Now I'll get a: "-1 (Anti-Reagan)"
Given the current press reports from the White House and David Kay, how do we know we can trust this intel?
True indeed. There's little question of the man's genius.
But on the other hand, you have different fingers.
talks about the dream ('coolest, baddest, hippest, grooviest') jobs,
;-)
Evey hipster knows the new word is "deck".
C'mon, get with the program.
www.hipsterhandbook.com
...also, your last example drives home my point. it would take a noob a day to figure it out in ASM, or a few minutes in C++. duh. thanks for making my point.
btw, your last example never reaches line 6. at least post code that works when trying to make your point next time. you also did't dereference ESI correctly for an indirect address, but now i'm just being mean, and you'll get there with experience.
First, thanks for posting examples.
Second, add stack frame setup to your ASM, and subtract the typedef from the C++ (unnecessary for your example) and they are the same size, and the C++ is far easier to read.
The point is I said ASM is pain in the ASS compared to C++. C++ is far more illustrative of what is happening than the ASM. And that was my point.
But you decided to call me an idiot and naive, when I'm not the one bragging about my knowledge on geek newsgroup. Obviously we can't prove who has the bigger dick, er, is the more experienced programmer, but anyone who claims a low-level language is easier to code in than a high-level language should just go back to plugging in wires and making punch-cards, because you missed the point of a HLL. It's a ridiculous position to argue.
Skeptic Magazine wrote a great article on Wolfram and his claims. After reading it, I got the impression Wolforam is a fraud, but the article didn't explicitly say that:
Skeptic Magazine Article Link
I'm surprised you could reach your keyboard from way up there on your high horse.
Thank your for enlightening me Mr. Pointer Expert. You truly articulated your point with one anecdotal cliche after another.
-Mr. Naive Idiot
a-star search. the first thing you learn in AI-101. its a shortest-pass search algorithm.
"I think it's a good idea in comp. sci. *because* it's a pain in the ass."
Hah hah! That's funny, but I completely agree.
No pain no brain!