Someone better tell Microsoft about this guy's discovery, and quick! I bet MS never thought of that! I mean, why would a half-trillion dollar company think about pricing models in a volatile market, especially forward looking?
This author is way to proud over his "discovery". What a noodge.
The name of the port director responsible should be available under the Freedom of Information Act [cornell.edu]. Very few government documents cannot be acessed, basically only military secrets and archaeological site reports.
Ronald Reagan effectively repealed these rights under EO12356.
in 1984 when i was 13 i was a serious computer nerd. i had spent three summers at National Computer Camps (toby zabinski's brainchild), and was programming in 6502 assembly.
several of my parents' friends wanted their kids to be computer savvy as well, so they purchased computers for their kids. three examples come to mind: one kid got trs80, another a c64, a third got an apple//e. funny thing, the kids never asked for a PC, they were happy with their atari 2600s.
then the parents all hired me to teach their kids how to program. it was the most embarassing thing i ever had to do. the kids didn't care at all, and i was only 13, what the fuck did i know about teaching? all that the kids wanted to do was play games or go outside. still, i made 60 bucks a week, which was a lot in the early 80's.
the part that bothered me the most, besides the kids telling their friends about me at school, which led to even more abuse, was that the parents would BRAG about how their children had a private computer tutor. i kept thinking: i'm a tutor? i'm not teaching them shit! and their parents are bragging about it!
needless to say, i endured the embarrasment for several months and made enough money to buy a modem and another 5 1-4 floppy, but i think that mentality is still there: force a computer on to a kid and make them learn how to use it in hopes of striking paydirt.
i agree with the folks in oregon: if kids are taught balanced art and science curricula, sans-tech, computers will be a snap when they are older. one could argue that computers employ abstractions (files, menus, desktops, etc.), but i think a mind trained to think in abstraction through art and math wouldn't have a problem with something as simple as a garbagecan icon.
Your query is so vast that it demontrates a complete lack of planning or thought. Post more details, or hire someone else to figure them out beforehand.
This is what pisses me off. If you would put some thought into the product and the design abstraction, this would be an easy question. Instead, people charge off with grandiose ideas and big buzzwords (event handling, GUI, object oriented).
People wonder why there is so much crap software out there. This is one reason: sitting around discussing the language without discussing the problem.
I know I'm being kinda mean, but it's how I feel when I read such a newbie question from someone claiming to be attempting such an important task. I hope this post lasts long enough for discussion before being modded down to -1.
You're totally out of it. Physical laws are computational, and thus a Turing Machine can simulate them
Anonymous flamer, I shouldn't reply, but I'd like to go on the record for not being identified as a religious zealot. 1st. Turing said there are some things that can't be solved by a turing machine. Refer to my previous post for a link to a book which covers it.
Take your religious bullshit somewhere else!
Heh heh. 2nd. I agree with you. It's not my fault people still believe in god, I'm not promoting he/she/it! Look at history: from the Ptolemic and Copernican solar systems, to The Scopes Monkey Trials. Even when science demonstrates religion is wrong, people will always jump to the next thing that science hasn't enlightened and say "see, there's god." Doesn't mean I subscribe to that.
Don't knock on AI until you understand it. Everything in the world can be simulated with an algorithm; it's just a matter of how many millions, billions, or trillions of lines of code it takes.
I agree with the first statement but the second? Apparently you don't understand it either. Turing proved there are intractable algorithms. Read Feynman's lectures on computation. Do the buzzwords "NP complete" ring any bells? There will always be things science can't explain or model, that is what God is for.
even if it is not generated uniformly, and I then increase the area to 300 mm^2 with the same total heat output value, that extra area IS going to be heated, probably
The logic that causes the hotspot does not necessarily scale with the size of the die. If you slap on a 3MB cache onto the same die, you have the same heat problem. Now add to that the die shrink from process and it is even worse.
I was simply saying that there aren't many ways that increasing the surface area can make something harder to cool.
Well, we're picking nits here, but you originally asked why the die wasn't easier to cool because it is bigger. But judging by your second reply, your first question wasn't worded as clearly.
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Wouldn't a larger surface area allow for better cooling? Isn't that the whole principle of a heatsink in the first place?
If the die uniformly heats, then yes, this is true. But that's not always the case. The latest P3's are so low power that you just need a heatsink or fan-sink, depending on frequency. The first P4s had a head spreader that sat on the back of the die and connected to the fansink.
Plus heat in a die goes up/down easier then left/right because the thermal conductivity of the heatsink is much better than that of silicon, and is closer than the edge of the die. If you've got local hot spots on the die, a bigger die doesn't by you anything. The thermal properties and requirements of the heatsink are driven more by local heat density than by overall heat.
Tom Pabst had a good discussion about this a while ago, but I can't remember the article's URL.
There was genuine sincerity in his voice, not the usual Hollywood bullshit.
Um, that's called "acting".;-) Seriously, who in their right mind is going to pan a potential cash cow?! I'm sure the stars from "Big Mommas House" and "Dude, Where's my Car?" were all pitching raves before their respective releases.
Ewan and the rest of the cast stand to make in the 10^7 US$ range off this one, especially if they help pump up the public with good tidings that the script will be better than EpisodeI, even if it truly isn't.
Good or bad, you won't be making any money off this movie, but lots of people will be getting very, very rich off your dollar. To me, this reaffirms the message to hollywood that as a society, we're OK with their bad movies. But if you like movies like this, than I guess it is a good thing.
However, I recently noticed that my local Tower Video rental store has all three "Porky's" movies, but not a single Otto Preminger film. I consider that a bad thing.
You must have money to burn: you spent $6k in 1 1/2 years when you could have originally bought an Athlon system for $1.5k that would still outmuscle both Mac systems...
I think we finally have an explanation for why the instruction set is such a pain to work with.
Who says it's a pain? Excluding backwards compatible 8/16-bit nightmares (admittedly), it has just as many idiosyncracies as any other ASM language I've seen. Well, I shouldn't say that because you may know more about it than me: I've only programmed assembly on x86, PPC/604e, Nec V830 (ugh!), PA-8000, and the Motorola MCF5204.
"Johnson's not here, sir. He's on a research trip to Barbados with Jan from marketing."
Apparently someone has never spent much time in a large semiconductor co's design division. This scenario is much more likely assuming an employee event gets to go on a business trip:
Manager to Employee: "Your expense report shows you exceeded your $25 per diem for food by $0.75. Next time, please select from one of the corporate-recommended food establishments: Denny's, Carrows, Marie Calendars. Oh yes, and if possible, we encourage you to stay with friends to reduce lodging costs."
The cells seem to grow indefinitely in culture, like ESCs. Some cell lines have been growing for almost two years and have kept their characteristics, with no signs of ageing, she says.
Two years? Damn, now that's an example careful experimentation. Although, I'd like to know what "aging" implies, and if she'd have to wait 80 or so years to see real human aging. Any biologists out there care to explain what aging looks like on the cellular level?
"Animal Farm" and "1984" are the only Orwell I've ever read. What Orwell novels is the author referring to that deal with Drone Wars? I'd like to read them.
(Nd) atoms have something to do with it. Perhaps they can handle the light energy
That's what I was thinking. Nd is a pretty dense atom. After the p-orbitals, I could never visualize how metals properly filled, an the lanthanides don't help make it any easier.
I fail to see how this sort of energy storage is the breakthrough... quantum computing
Yeah, it does seem awfully binary to me, but then again, I supposed if I were a physicist there would be more possibilities than 1 and 0. I think journalists can get away with saying stuff like the above quote b/c no one cares enough to call them on it.
To quote Groundskeeper Willy: "I a-doon't git it."
They 'shackle' the light pulse to an atom so that it can be released later, and all it's "energy is transferred to the electron."?
I thought that could only be done by: causing an electron to jump to a higher orbital (thus higher energy), or adding another electron through ionization.
So can they boost an atom to a higher orbital without filling the lower orbitals? Like bumping an S-1 up to a P-2 or something? Maybe you compare what the energy level is as opposed to what it should be (e.g. three orbitals above normal) and that represents the data (plus spin, too?)
Gee, it's fun to speculate when ZERO DETAILS are given in the article.
I'm amazed at how only apple manages to sell weird designs.
* Dell quietly discontinued a similarly designed box.
* Intel has demonstrated many similar designs to this since 1997 at their IDC. (remember the fish-bulb thing, and the ziggurat?)
* Even AMD had the flat-screen-on-a-bun concept box (interchangeable neon colors)
However, only Apple actually sells any of these weird shapes. I wonder why they take the risk of weird designs when Dell, Gateway, Compaq and IBM don't.
I also wonder how many times the new iMac it can handle being hoisted by the "neck".
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Someone better tell Microsoft about this guy's discovery, and quick! I bet MS never thought of that! I mean, why would a half-trillion dollar company think about pricing models in a volatile market, especially forward looking?
This author is way to proud over his "discovery". What a noodge.
The name of the port director responsible should be available under the Freedom of Information Act [cornell.edu]. Very few government documents cannot be acessed, basically only military secrets and archaeological site reports.
Ronald Reagan effectively repealed these rights under EO12356.
in 1984 when i was 13 i was a serious computer nerd. i had spent three summers at National Computer Camps (toby zabinski's brainchild), and was programming in 6502 assembly.
//e. funny thing, the kids never asked for a PC, they were happy with their atari 2600s.
several of my parents' friends wanted their kids to be computer savvy as well, so they purchased computers for their kids. three examples come to mind: one kid got trs80, another a c64, a third got an apple
then the parents all hired me to teach their kids how to program. it was the most embarassing thing i ever had to do. the kids didn't care at all, and i was only 13, what the fuck did i know about teaching? all that the kids wanted to do was play games or go outside. still, i made 60 bucks a week, which was a lot in the early 80's.
the part that bothered me the most, besides the kids telling their friends about me at school, which led to even more abuse, was that the parents would BRAG about how their children had a private computer tutor. i kept thinking: i'm a tutor? i'm not teaching them shit! and their parents are bragging about it!
needless to say, i endured the embarrasment for several months and made enough money to buy a modem and another 5 1-4 floppy, but i think that mentality is still there: force a computer on to a kid and make them learn how to use it in hopes of striking paydirt.
i agree with the folks in oregon: if kids are taught balanced art and science curricula, sans-tech, computers will be a snap when they are older. one could argue that computers employ abstractions (files, menus, desktops, etc.), but i think a mind trained to think in abstraction through art and math wouldn't have a problem with something as simple as a garbagecan icon.
Have you done any coding (besides shell scripts) in the last 10 years?
Shell script? What's a shell script? Is that some kinda DOS thing?
Your query is so vast that it demontrates a complete lack of planning or thought. Post more details, or hire someone else to figure them out beforehand.
This is what pisses me off. If you would put some thought into the product and the design abstraction, this would be an easy question. Instead, people charge off with grandiose ideas and big buzzwords (event handling, GUI, object oriented).
People wonder why there is so much crap software out there. This is one reason: sitting around discussing the language without discussing the problem.
I know I'm being kinda mean, but it's how I feel when I read such a newbie question from someone claiming to be attempting such an important task. I hope this post lasts long enough for discussion before being modded down to -1.
from the first article:
"I tend to disregard any technical comments when there is bias."
You're totally out of it. Physical laws are computational, and thus a Turing Machine can simulate them
Anonymous flamer, I shouldn't reply, but I'd like to go on the record for not being identified as a religious zealot. 1st. Turing said there are some things that can't be solved by a turing machine. Refer to my previous post for a link to a book which covers it.
Take your religious bullshit somewhere else!
Heh heh. 2nd. I agree with you. It's not my fault people still believe in god, I'm not promoting he/she/it! Look at history: from the Ptolemic and Copernican solar systems, to The Scopes Monkey Trials. Even when science demonstrates religion is wrong, people will always jump to the next thing that science hasn't enlightened and say "see, there's god." Doesn't mean I subscribe to that.
I know what a weenie is, (thanks to 7th grade phys-ed), but how are we defining 'Pro'?
Don't knock on AI until you understand it.
Everything in the world can be simulated with an algorithm; it's just a matter of how many millions, billions, or trillions of lines of code it takes.
I agree with the first statement but the second? Apparently you don't understand it either. Turing proved there are intractable algorithms. Read Feynman's lectures on computation. Do the buzzwords "NP complete" ring any bells? There will always be things science can't explain or model, that is what God is for.
even if it is not generated uniformly, and I then increase the area to 300 mm^2 with the same total heat output value, that extra area IS going to be heated, probably
The logic that causes the hotspot does not necessarily scale with the size of the die. If you slap on a 3MB cache onto the same die, you have the same heat problem. Now add to that the die shrink from process and it is even worse.
I was simply saying that there aren't many ways that increasing the surface area can make something harder to cool.
Well, we're picking nits here, but you originally asked why the die wasn't easier to cool because it is bigger. But judging by your second reply, your first question wasn't worded as clearly.
Wouldn't a larger surface area allow for better cooling? Isn't that the whole principle of a heatsink in the first place?
If the die uniformly heats, then yes, this is true. But that's not always the case. The latest P3's are so low power that you just need a heatsink or fan-sink, depending on frequency. The first P4s had a head spreader that sat on the back of the die and connected to the fansink.
Plus heat in a die goes up/down easier then left/right because the thermal conductivity of the heatsink is much better than that of silicon, and is closer than the edge of the die. If you've got local hot spots on the die, a bigger die doesn't by you anything. The thermal properties and requirements of the heatsink are driven more by local heat density than by overall heat.
Tom Pabst had a good discussion about this a while ago, but I can't remember the article's URL.
There was genuine sincerity in his voice, not the usual Hollywood bullshit.
;-) Seriously, who in their right mind is going to pan a potential cash cow?! I'm sure the stars from "Big Mommas House" and "Dude, Where's my Car?" were all pitching raves before their respective releases.
Um, that's called "acting".
Ewan and the rest of the cast stand to make in the 10^7 US$ range off this one, especially if they help pump up the public with good tidings that the script will be better than EpisodeI, even if it truly isn't.
Good or bad, you won't be making any money off this movie, but lots of people will be getting very, very rich off your dollar. To me, this reaffirms the message to hollywood that as a society, we're OK with their bad movies. But if you like movies like this, than I guess it is a good thing.
However, I recently noticed that my local Tower Video rental store has all three "Porky's" movies, but not a single Otto Preminger film. I consider that a bad thing.
1) It's not the clock speed that matters
2) RISC rules
RISC rules? That argument died a decade ago. What are you, one of those 15 year old republicans who jerks off to macworld?
You must have money to burn: you spent $6k in 1 1/2 years when you could have originally bought an Athlon system for $1.5k that would still outmuscle both Mac systems...
I think we finally have an explanation for why the instruction set is such a pain to work with.
Who says it's a pain? Excluding backwards compatible 8/16-bit nightmares (admittedly), it has just as many idiosyncracies as any other ASM language I've seen. Well, I shouldn't say that because you may know more about it than me: I've only programmed assembly on x86, PPC/604e, Nec V830 (ugh!), PA-8000, and the Motorola MCF5204.
"Johnson's not here, sir. He's on a research trip to Barbados with Jan from marketing."
Apparently someone has never spent much time in a large semiconductor co's design division. This scenario is much more likely assuming an employee event gets to go on a business trip:
Manager to Employee: "Your expense report shows you exceeded your $25 per diem for food by $0.75. Next time, please select from one of the corporate-recommended food establishments: Denny's, Carrows, Marie Calendars. Oh yes, and if possible, we encourage you to stay with friends to reduce lodging costs."
The cells seem to grow indefinitely in culture, like ESCs. Some cell lines have been growing for almost two years and have kept their characteristics, with no signs of ageing, she says.
Two years? Damn, now that's an example careful experimentation. Although, I'd like to know what "aging" implies, and if she'd have to wait 80 or so years to see real human aging. Any biologists out there care to explain what aging looks like on the cellular level?
heh heh... yeah, but i bet Bill Gates doesn't strangle hookers.
"George would win... he fights dirty..."
LOL!
Listen to Negativland's album FREE sometime. It about sums up your complaints.
Apple was a welcome antidote to the elitism...
Apple INVENTED elitism in the tech industry!
How soon we forget. Sheesh!
from the article:
The world's largest maker of antimatter...
I never thought I'd read this sentence in my lifetime!
"Animal Farm" and "1984" are the only Orwell I've ever read. What Orwell novels is the author referring to that deal with Drone Wars? I'd like to read them.
(Nd) atoms have something to do with it. Perhaps they can handle the light energy
... quantum computing
That's what I was thinking. Nd is a pretty dense atom. After the p-orbitals, I could never visualize how metals properly filled, an the lanthanides don't help make it any easier.
I fail to see how this sort of energy storage is the breakthrough
Yeah, it does seem awfully binary to me, but then again, I supposed if I were a physicist there would be more possibilities than 1 and 0. I think journalists can get away with saying stuff like the above quote b/c no one cares enough to call them on it.
To quote Groundskeeper Willy: "I a-doon't git it."
They 'shackle' the light pulse to an atom so that it can be released later, and all it's "energy is transferred to the electron."?
I thought that could only be done by: causing an electron to jump to a higher orbital (thus higher energy), or adding another electron through ionization.
So can they boost an atom to a higher orbital without filling the lower orbitals? Like bumping an S-1 up to a P-2 or something? Maybe you compare what the energy level is as opposed to what it should be (e.g. three orbitals above normal) and that represents the data (plus spin, too?)
Gee, it's fun to speculate when ZERO DETAILS are given in the article.
I'm amazed at how only apple manages to sell weird designs.
* Dell quietly discontinued a similarly designed box.
* Intel has demonstrated many similar designs to this since 1997 at their IDC. (remember the fish-bulb thing, and the ziggurat?)
* Even AMD had the flat-screen-on-a-bun concept box (interchangeable neon colors)
However, only Apple actually sells any of these weird shapes. I wonder why they take the risk of weird designs when Dell, Gateway, Compaq and IBM don't.
I also wonder how many times the new iMac it can handle being hoisted by the "neck".