Exactly! Notice that there is 1 year backlog on tetanus shots? Hospitals are being urged to use them sparingly. Why? Only one company makes them today (due to competitve market reasons), and there's not enough profit.
a little offtopic, but i was watchin NOVA on PBS the other day and i heard an astronomer refer to the reverse big bang as, "...what i like to call gnab gib..." who first coined that? i thought it was douglas adams, through zaphod, but it sounded like this witty doc was trying to lay claim.
Actually, neural nets don't simulate, they mimic at some crude level.
How are you differentiating simulate and mimic?
mimicking the human brain will probably only get us so far.
agreed. it reminds me of those old b&w home movies of people "taping feathers to their wings" and trying to run off of small hills, despite the fact that both Newton and Bernoulli theories of aerodynamics had been around for ages.
Minski's "Society of Mind" seems like a plausable approach for creating a synthetic consciousness, but it may just be the equivalent of DaVinci's drawings of a "helipcopter": a handcranked cork-screw sail on a wooden platform.
When we understand the principles of intelligence and stop mimicking brains, we might be on to something
That's what I meant by "man's image". Can there be a principle of intelligence that doesn't resemble the intelligence that formulated it? And if there is, what would the machine look like that realized it? It's probably agreed that the machine wouldn't be a classical computer. Perhaps something that required a hot cup of tea....
I usually stop thinking at this point, it all becomes mental gymnastics, and I'm out of shape.
neural nets are designed to simulate how the brain works, so it makes sense that they be trained the same way. consider this: perhaps they can absorb information faster than a human brain, but who could deliver interactive teaching at that speed?
now consider:
today (2001): human trains AI, limited by wetware bandwidth
...20 years from now: AI trains AI, limited by neural net bandwidth.
result: all 20 years of training one AI will be compressed into to a fraction of a second training time for the next generation
this is the manifestation of Raymond Kurzweil and James Gleick's observations: the acceleration of everything, the exponential growth of compute power.
hang on for the ride, kids. it's gonna get weird. i bet we see AI legistlation in the next 10 years.
we will be the 'gods' (as in creators) of the new race that will inhabit the earth.
Whatever. When you can write an FPS game in Java then it will be a real language. Otherwise it will forever be an academic tutorial, just like Pascal, or a langauge for quick hacks, like Perl.
Not teaching proper C/C++ in college just means there will be fewer good programmers in the world and buggier applications as a result of hiring mediocre coders.
If a document is top secret, it shouldnt be stored on a networked computer. If it is stored on a networked computer, then it should be encrypted. problem solved.
Obviously you don't spend much time in the real world.;-)
There's confidential shit blantantly displayed EVERYWHERE in typical semi/electronic corporations. No one gives a rat's ass about security except within the first three weeks of security training with every new project. And as a contractor I would expect more security around me considering i'm not 'one of the team'.
Eventually confidential docs appear on unsecure laptop desktops... hell, at one company i contracted with, i found 'top secret' foils blowing around in the parking lot...
i wonder if it's like this in other industries... (medical, pharmecutical, genetic engineer)...
I AM NOT A CRYPOTGRAPHER: So why doesn't somebody take a keyboard, replace the microcontroller (typically a cyrix 63412) with a beefier one that can do hardware encryption, and use a protocol with a device driver that establish encrypted transmission across the keyboard's cable?
I'm sure there's a protocol somewhere in "Applied Cryptography" that covers this scenario, something that defeats a sniffer.
i thought Criterion was planning a deluxe release of Akira? Can they both do it? Does this mean there will be 3 versions of akira on the market (like Brazil, Dead Ringers, Rashomon, etc...)?
i don't know how many last-period french classes in juniorhighschool (back in '84) that i wasted mentally wrestling with the exact problem you're having, dying to get home to my apple//e and work on it some more.
of course, there was no web then so i couldn't post for help, and i didn't have a modem... took me a month to find the treasure i was missing...
Whenver I read discussions about the original implementors, there's lots and lots of reminiscing by people in my age group (er, 28-33).
But I'm curious, have any of you younger fellers played and Zorks, Enchanters, Deadline, Suspect, Starcross, Suspended, Plantefall, etc...??
I'm wondering if young gamers of today (13-18) even have the patience to play all-text games, or if the memories of Zork are unique only to a certain age group...
You're wrong about Hatch. On Meet the Press last week (or a similar Sunday news show), Orrin was arguing with a far-righter zealot, and Hatch was on the side of stem cell research! He believes that a non-implanted zygot is not a child, so it can be used for science. It was an argument about in-vitro embryos that were being discarded and not used. Can't wait to see how he reconciles this with morning after pill legislation.
However, I suspect he took this position because he or someone he loves is really sick and would benefit from stem cell research.
...a roof tile makes just as good a piece of pizza as it does a computer console...
heh heh, that's funny, and makes a good point.
This almost implies that everyone who complains "LEGO has too many custom shapes and doesn't allow for creativity" are really just guilty of not being creative themselves.
it's about time someone did something this huge with the latest-n-greatest-n-trendiest languages. now if i could just get through to the site, i'd love to see how much better FORTRAN can find primes than Ruby...
This is actually another example of future microprofit billing, which is here to stay. I think that eventually all transactions through APIs in the OS will eventually have a 'toll' associated with them, and that giant servers behind the scenes will route the funds into the proper accounts of microsoft's partners. it wouldn't surprise me if microsoft added a micropayment billing API to directX, like DirectBill or something, which monitors all types of traffic through a GUID which the backend servers use to adjust micropayments to the partners.
Hm. I should probably patent that before it gets out to the public.
D'oh!
And I love it when monopolies whine about other monopolies taking away their monopoly.
I don't think this is as important for open source or SO as people claim in the past 50 posts. It sounds like the military got wind of Microsoft's hidden security "features" and decided they didn't like the idea of confidential documents phoning home on their own. Why should the military trust the security of a corporation?
StarOffice gives the DoD a starting point of some reasonably full-featured software, and they can nitpick through the source for all types of security issues.
Open Source sounds like a good way for the military to still use 'modern' software without having to compromise security.
Maybe this will be a boon for Sun and all goverment computers will run their own, modified open source OS and applications.
I believe Battlezone (circa early-80's) was the first 3D game, followed by Stellar 7 on the Apple ][+. Let's hear it for pale blue vector rasterization and green-monochrome-phosphor wireframes!
I liked Quake because it had that badass Trent Reznor soundtrack, which I still listen to every few months. I think the only game with a soundtrack by a major musician prior to Quake was something David Bowie did... can't remember the game, but it was pre-7th Guest days... sometime in 1990, right when 66MHz 486DX2s and CDROMs were becoming ubiquitous...
Funny, same thing for me: I'm 29, been typing on computers since I was 10. Never had a problem 'till a year ago. First I noticed my wrists hurt from being turned in with normal keyboards. Then I switched to MS ergo. Shortly after, in between my finger started to hurt really bad b/c of longer reach to get to some keys. Now my company gave me a Goldtouch keyboard, and I keep it dialed out to ~30 horizontal AND vertical. It looks wacky, but damned if my fingers/wrists feel way better.
AMD would be doing the exact same thing to the market if they were in Intel's shoes. What makes you think AMD is so much more philanthropic? Same thing with Apple fanatics. Apple and AMD are both COMPANIES, bent on making a profit and dominating the market.
Competition is good for everyone, but do you really think AMD wants to get 50% of the market, and say: "Ahhh, that's better, now the market is balanced, we can go home now knowing we've done a good job..." Yeah right. They'd immediately try to squeeze Intel out of the picture and control yet another monopoly.
Slashdot as a whole needs to help itself out of this near total subservience to corporations through such bizarre personifications like "underdog". It's pretty scary from an outsider's point of view.
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Exactly! Notice that there is 1 year backlog on tetanus shots? Hospitals are being urged to use them sparingly. Why? Only one company makes them today (due to competitve market reasons), and there's not enough profit.
a little offtopic, but i was watchin NOVA on PBS the other day and i heard an astronomer refer to the reverse big bang as, "...what i like to call gnab gib..." who first coined that? i thought it was douglas adams, through zaphod, but it sounded like this witty doc was trying to lay claim.
Actually, neural nets don't simulate, they mimic at some crude level.
How are you differentiating simulate and mimic?
mimicking the human brain will probably only get us so far.
agreed. it reminds me of those old b&w home movies of people "taping feathers to their wings" and trying to run off of small hills, despite the fact that both Newton and Bernoulli theories of aerodynamics had been around for ages.
Minski's "Society of Mind" seems like a plausable approach for creating a synthetic consciousness, but it may just be the equivalent of DaVinci's drawings of a "helipcopter": a handcranked cork-screw sail on a wooden platform.
When we understand the principles of intelligence and stop mimicking brains, we might be on to something
That's what I meant by "man's image". Can there be a principle of intelligence that doesn't resemble the intelligence that formulated it? And if there is, what would the machine look like that realized it? It's probably agreed that the machine wouldn't be a classical computer. Perhaps something that required a hot cup of tea....
I usually stop thinking at this point, it all becomes mental gymnastics, and I'm out of shape.
good point. the buttload of articles on hollywoodish-AI, right around the release of the movie was nauseating...
neural nets are designed to simulate how the brain works, so it makes sense that they be trained the same way. consider this: perhaps they can absorb information faster than a human brain, but who could deliver interactive teaching at that speed?
now consider:
today (2001): human trains AI, limited by wetware bandwidth
...20 years from now: AI trains AI, limited by neural net bandwidth.
result: all 20 years of training one AI will be compressed into to a fraction of a second training time for the next generation
this is the manifestation of Raymond Kurzweil and James Gleick's observations: the acceleration of everything, the exponential growth of compute power.
hang on for the ride, kids. it's gonna get weird. i bet we see AI legistlation in the next 10 years.
we will be the 'gods' (as in creators) of the new race that will inhabit the earth.
Whatever. When you can write an FPS game in Java then it will be a real language. Otherwise it will forever be an academic tutorial, just like Pascal, or a langauge for quick hacks, like Perl.
Not teaching proper C/C++ in college just means there will be fewer good programmers in the world and buggier applications as a result of hiring mediocre coders.
A series on this tripe!?!?!?!
Please God, NO!!!!!!!!
If a document is top secret, it shouldnt be stored on a networked computer. If it is stored on a networked computer, then it should be encrypted. problem solved.
;-)
Obviously you don't spend much time in the real world.
There's confidential shit blantantly displayed EVERYWHERE in typical semi/electronic corporations. No one gives a rat's ass about security except within the first three weeks of security training with every new project. And as a contractor I would expect more security around me considering i'm not 'one of the team'.
Eventually confidential docs appear on unsecure laptop desktops... hell, at one company i contracted with, i found 'top secret' foils blowing around in the parking lot...
i wonder if it's like this in other industries... (medical, pharmecutical, genetic engineer)...
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oh yeah, like i'm gonna let a nurse in a bionic suit jam a thermometer up my ass... i'll need a second surgery just to pull it out of my duodenum.
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I AM NOT A CRYPOTGRAPHER: So why doesn't somebody take a keyboard, replace the microcontroller (typically a cyrix 63412) with a beefier one that can do hardware encryption, and use a protocol with a device driver that establish encrypted transmission across the keyboard's cable?
I'm sure there's a protocol somewhere in "Applied Cryptography" that covers this scenario, something that defeats a sniffer.
I wouldn't be surprised if this already existed.
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i thought Criterion was planning a deluxe release of Akira? Can they both do it? Does this mean there will be 3 versions of akira on the market (like Brazil, Dead Ringers, Rashomon, etc...)?
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heh heh, cool, you're struggling with Zork... ;)
//e and work on it some more.
i don't know how many last-period french classes in juniorhighschool (back in '84) that i wasted mentally wrestling with the exact problem you're having, dying to get home to my apple
of course, there was no web then so i couldn't post for help, and i didn't have a modem... took me a month to find the treasure i was missing...
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hm? you have to kill the thief, in his lair, behind the cyclops, in the maze. or is the visor version broken?
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Whenver I read discussions about the original implementors, there's lots and lots of reminiscing by people in my age group (er, 28-33).
But I'm curious, have any of you younger fellers played and Zorks, Enchanters, Deadline, Suspect, Starcross, Suspended, Plantefall, etc...??
I'm wondering if young gamers of today (13-18) even have the patience to play all-text games, or if the memories of Zork are unique only to a certain age group...
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What about the name? Did it really come from China, or is this a sensationalist exaggeration?
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You're wrong about Hatch. On Meet the Press last week (or a similar Sunday news show), Orrin was arguing with a far-righter zealot, and Hatch was on the side of stem cell research! He believes that a non-implanted zygot is not a child, so it can be used for science. It was an argument about in-vitro embryos that were being discarded and not used. Can't wait to see how he reconciles this with morning after pill legislation.
However, I suspect he took this position because he or someone he loves is really sick and would benefit from stem cell research.
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...a roof tile makes just as good a piece of pizza as it does a computer console...
heh heh, that's funny, and makes a good point.
This almost implies that everyone who complains "LEGO has too many custom shapes and doesn't allow for creativity" are really just guilty of not being creative themselves.
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it's about time someone did something this huge with the latest-n-greatest-n-trendiest languages. now if i could just get through to the site, i'd love to see how much better FORTRAN can find primes than Ruby...
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This is actually another example of future microprofit billing, which is here to stay. I think that eventually all transactions through APIs in the OS will eventually have a 'toll' associated with them, and that giant servers behind the scenes will route the funds into the proper accounts of microsoft's partners. it wouldn't surprise me if microsoft added a micropayment billing API to directX, like DirectBill or something, which monitors all types of traffic through a GUID which the backend servers use to adjust micropayments to the partners.
Hm. I should probably patent that before it gets out to the public.
D'oh!
And I love it when monopolies whine about other monopolies taking away their monopoly.
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I don't think this is as important for open source or SO as people claim in the past 50 posts. It sounds like the military got wind of Microsoft's hidden security "features" and decided they didn't like the idea of confidential documents phoning home on their own. Why should the military trust the security of a corporation?
StarOffice gives the DoD a starting point of some reasonably full-featured software, and they can nitpick through the source for all types of security issues.
Open Source sounds like a good way for the military to still use 'modern' software without having to compromise security.
Maybe this will be a boon for Sun and all goverment computers will run their own, modified open source OS and applications.
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I believe Battlezone (circa early-80's) was the first 3D game, followed by Stellar 7 on the Apple ][+. Let's hear it for pale blue vector rasterization and green-monochrome-phosphor wireframes!
I liked Quake because it had that badass Trent Reznor soundtrack, which I still listen to every few months. I think the only game with a soundtrack by a major musician prior to Quake was something David Bowie did... can't remember the game, but it was pre-7th Guest days... sometime in 1990, right when 66MHz 486DX2s and CDROMs were becoming ubiquitous...
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What was the author blathering about? I only read a few lines of the article then got bored. Can someone summarize it for me?
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Funny, same thing for me: I'm 29, been typing on computers since I was 10. Never had a problem 'till a year ago. First I noticed my wrists hurt from being turned in with normal keyboards. Then I switched to MS ergo. Shortly after, in between my finger started to hurt really bad b/c of longer reach to get to some keys. Now my company gave me a Goldtouch keyboard, and I keep it dialed out to ~30 horizontal AND vertical. It looks wacky, but damned if my fingers/wrists feel way better.
;)
But sadly, I think it's just old age.
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A ray of hope for what?
AMD would be doing the exact same thing to the market if they were in Intel's shoes. What makes you think AMD is so much more philanthropic? Same thing with Apple fanatics. Apple and AMD are both COMPANIES, bent on making a profit and dominating the market.
Competition is good for everyone, but do you really think AMD wants to get 50% of the market, and say: "Ahhh, that's better, now the market is balanced, we can go home now knowing we've done a good job..." Yeah right. They'd immediately try to squeeze Intel out of the picture and control yet another monopoly.
Slashdot as a whole needs to help itself out of this near total subservience to corporations through such bizarre personifications like "underdog". It's pretty scary from an outsider's point of view.
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Wow. So much for the claim that AC's never have anything useful to contribute...
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