Although it is my opinion, as well as most of my friends' DDR USA sucks. The one for the PS doesn't interest me really as I don't have one and don't think I will go out and buy one any time soon. I'm hoping that the japanese variants of DDR will come to the game cube. More importantly I would hope that those games are going to also come to the usa release of the game cube.
Really when you think about it, 400k of debt isn't all that bad - in constrast to the millions of dollars that the.bombs incurred. Quite a few companies have filed for chapter 11 and got out of it just fine. Far too often we equate chapter 11 with the.bombs who went a-lookin for a buyer the moment that stuff started to go sour before the executive staff bailed. This is not how Loki operated - Loki wasn't public, and the business plan overall wasn't terrible. However chapter 11 does equate an admission that there was a fundamental flaw in your business plan. From there you can either fold, or fix. I think that Loki may look into the way that they sell and distribute their products. For instance, the retail market simply isn't ready for Linux based gaming at the moment. I don't mind it as a secondary outlet - however it probably should not have been the primary focus of the business model. (just for instance) If Loki was to take that all back in-house the profit margin would go up even if they would sell the games for less (less overhead). I do hope that Loki makes a press release, stating what the problems are and how they intend to correct them. If they do that, we as customers and open source / Linux enthusiasts need to overlook the technical details and assist them. Personally I own 11 games from Loki - and I love every last one of them. They do a great job.
Yes I saw it.... I'm going to wait until I see a patch =)
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make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.8/drivers/sound/emu10k1'
rm -f emu10k1.o
ld -m elf_i386 -r -o emu10k1.o audio.o cardmi.o cardmo.o cardwi.o cardwo.o ecard.o efxmgr.o emuadxmg.o hwaccess.o irqmgr.o joystick.o main.o midi.o mixer.o passthrough.o recmgr.o timer.o voicemgr.o
main.o(.modinfo+0x40): multiple definition of `__module_author'
joystick.o(.modinfo+0x80): first defined here
ld: Warning: size of symbol `__module_author' changed from 67 to 81 in main.o
main.o(.modinfo+0xa0): multiple definition of `__module_description'
joystick.o(.modinfo+0xe0): first defined here
ld: Warning: size of symbol `__module_description' changed from 83 to 96 in main.o
main.o: In function `init_module':
main.o(.text+0x1880): multiple definition of `init_module'
joystick.o(.text+0x210): first defined here
main.o: In function `cleanup_module':
main.o(.text+0x18c0): multiple definition of `cleanup_module'
joystick.o(.text+0x250): first defined here
make[3]: *** [emu10k1.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.8/drivers/sound/emu10k1'
make[2]: *** [_modsubdir_emu10k1] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.8/drivers/sound'
make[1]: *** [_modsubdir_sound] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.8/drivers'
make: *** [_mod_drivers] Error 2
Adobe is a US based company. If they are actually trying to get money out of you I don't see why it would be in Euro. Not to mention 2500 euro seems like a very small sum to begin with. I would check with Adobe Corporate Legal and see if this letter is a fake or not before worrying about it. Most large companies tend to get their panties in a bunch to the sum of many hundred of thousands of dollars (or more) over trademark infringement.
The company that I work for Telecommunication Systems Inc. (TCS) has an SMPP (short message packet protocol) to e-mail gateway product that we sell to carriers and businesses to cure this problem. Inter carrier messaging is cool stuff.
How does this work with other software from Microsoft - for instance Office, Internet Explorer - etc. for MacOSX? I've been curious to see what it will be compiled with (gcc?) - so does this remove the Mac people from developing with any of the same tools that the rest of the company uses for development? Could be me, but this seems a stupid business move. "You can only play our way" will not bode well if the Monopoly case ever starts up again.
I know that in your writing you tend to play the cynic for a good many writings, however I am curious how the media gets a good review from JohnKatz.Especially in the movie review role - do you have a special amount of criteria that must be met?
Yes, I saw it coming earlier this year. With IBM pumping (quite literally) billions of dollars into Linux development, and putting "Linux everywhere". What with RedHat turning a profit, and of course what with companies such as Sun and HP promising GNOME on the next major release of their OS. Of course don't forget Loki Entertainment staying alive through the worst of it - and gaining the support of Nokia...
Yes I saw it, the end is coming. There is no economy for Linux on the desktop. Just billions and billions of dollars floating around from corporate giants.
Why do we say this each and every time that something bad happens? It's like chicken little "oh the sky is falling oh the sky is falling". It's not the end, there is too much invested in it now. In fact the number of people I know who run Linux as the desktop of choice has easily doubled since early this year.
.... Although the raw data is user submitted, the storage, retrieval, categorization, and organization of the database, the access interface, and the matching and filtering methods are absolutely proprietary, and we will do what is necessary to defend this intellectual property...
Essentially they are trying to say that they own:
1) the raw data that is submitted (the name of the song in the database etc.)
2) the interface, this could mean the protocol,
the interface to the database (i.e. rom the server application to the database. E.g jdbc)
3) the algorythm to issue the select statement via the protocol
4) they take the above 3 and combine them into how they define "IP"
Simply put it is very suspect, and most likely illegal to begin with ala the DMCA - as all this information is keyed off of a digital signature that is tied to the CD (tracks, time, etc.) - that information is owned by the record company. Not gracenote.
Actually I was thinking about it a little more. And Gracenote is actually breaking the law where as FreeDB is not. This is why:
Gracenote:
Believes that they "own" the content of the database, they call this "IP" (per the buzzword that everyone is using these days). However they allow the end user to use the database limitlessly as long as the client has been "approved" by Gracenote. (if free or not free etc.)
FreeDB:
Knows damn well that it doesn't own the content of the data. FreeDB believes that the data in the database is a community resource - getting to it may be slightly different as they own the equipment that the data runs on. This is entirely dependant upon the community at large.
The reason why Gracenote is probably screwing up is simple. 1) The record company, 2) artist, or 3) individual owns the IP. Not Gracenote. If 1) the record company has trademarks regarding the name of the song - they own that for a number of years. Sorry. If there is no record company, and the artist is independant then 2) the Artist owns it. Depending on both 1 and 2 it comes back to 3) the individual consumer. Simply put unless the consumer is given a liscense to sell or give away the intellectual properity they have no right to give it away to Gracenote for sale. If they DO then Gracenote *MUST* notify the consumer that this is their intent - and as such the consumer has the option not to allow this.
None of this happens with Gracenote, simply put they take and sell. This is a sad thing indeed because Gracenote doesn't have any idea of how these companies look at the IP that THEY protect. Gracenote should take precautions as not to be sued themselves.
Essentially gracenote is suing because they are using a competing service. Regardless of if it is the same protocol or not. This won't stand up in court simply for the fact that businesses can (and do) support community services instead of a corporation. Gracenote must have learned that they have no value to add to the service, and as such they must protect it. Sadly this is not going to fly with Freedb out there. If Roxio / Adeptec wants to use a differing service - who cares? Unless Gracenote / Adeptec had some other agreement above and beyond.... there just isn't much to stand on here.
You see, all these 3rd party programs need an operating system to run on. However if the dependency is on Microsoft which is telling the 3rd party software vendors to "screw off" where do you think that they will go? One possibility is Apple, and even Linux. Most of these people will be in the same boat as the base source inbetween MacOSX and Linux would be portable (GUI enhancements probably wouldn't).
Real, AOL, etc. go invest in Mandrake and RedHat and bundle end user OS'es. Linux is great for us geeks, but we need to evolve it to the user who doesn't want to know everything as well.
This is true, however in the corporate mindset once a company goes under all the IP and work tends to go with it. In an open source business model this is not the case. It wasn't so much of a fundamental statement of who will support the source for Nautilus but more of a retort to what has been said throught the past few weeks (open source doesn't work, GPL doesn't work, etc. for business) and months from companies such as Microsoft.
Perhaps Eazel will not make it, which is truly a sad event. However the legacy can live on in its entirety. For instance Ximian can easily obtain the source, perhaps even some of the developers and continue the product line into their own.
Just choose the closest model and don't worry about it too much. You may even want to skip the X configuration and go directly to the new drivers - you can download them from www.nvidia.com (they have an ftp site that has all of the drivers at ftp://ftp1.detonator.nvidia.com/pub/drivers/englis h/XFree86_40/. There is 1) a kernel driver and 2) an OpenGL driver for XFree86 - you need both of them. The latest is 0.9-769 last time I checked. If you have updated your kernel or anything in RedHat get the source rpm for the kernel module.
I have been using an Nvidia GeForce2 MX for about 6 months. Quite simply put it beats the pants off of my former Voodoo - which never quite worked correctly. A few of my friends have purchased the GeForce3 just to make me drool at the slickness and ease at which it draws... (mmm gaming) While on the topic of Nvidia I do have a question - has anyone had a chance to play with the GeForce2 Go? I am considering buying a new Dell Inspiron with it and have been unable to find success stories / etc under Linux - anyone?
The GPL makes a ton of business sense. When looked at objectively it creates the requirement for businesses to constantly improve and innovate. If they do not, then they die. However such liscenses as the BSD liscense make a lot of sense to those who want to protect the interests of the company to the point where if they wanted to fuck over the customer the company has the ability to say "too bad". I think that this is a very dangerous thing coming from a company who has been so well known for Linux and GPL support over the years. What, if any code *COULD* Caldera re-liscense under the BSD liscense? Perhaps companies are correct to question the GPL. Perhaps we should look into providing alternatives that are friendly to corporations, consumers, and the collective body that has done all the work. I guess my *BIGGEST* problem is where so called "digital" law is at the moment allows anyone to "own" technology forever. Add "encryption" to it and it suddenly becomes a mortal sin to reverse engineer it. It's sad to see that people still don't get it, it's even sadder that people who are supposedly even the "leaders" still don't get it.
Companies like Transgaming must exist so that a large installed user base can exist for companies such as Loki to be able to flourish. The problem lies that not every gaming company will want to spend the money on porting every game to Linux, however if say Sierra, ID, or EA can bundle a piece of software with a Windows game and say that it "works in emulation in Linux" this creates an installed gaming user base in Linux. This also forces companies such as Mandrake, RedHat, and SuSE to listen to what the end users really want and bring them an experience. For those who don't think that there is much potential in this sort of market I would have you check the average computer user (E.g. Mom & Dad) and compare this to the average gamer. Who spends more on computing equipment and software? Other companies will follow where the revenue goes, if it's Microsoft or Linux won't matter as long as they can continue to make the investors happy. WineX is not a long term solution. However I think that it is a needed booster solution for the Linux community. Generally speaking those who are running Linux at the moment will continue running it until it goes away. However those that are gaming and running Windows have no reason to leave that environment.
Wasn't CSS supposed to "protect" the video information found on DVD's? Oh right, I forgot - it was cracked! Is it just me or do the big 5 just/not/ get it? I understand that they want to protect their ability to maximize profits, however as a consumer I have to say enough is enough. Consumer electronics and otherwise have become sophisticated enough to require some form of standardization (either ANSI or ITU, you be the judge). I mean look at the cellular carrier industry - the only way they could get people to (usually) sign up with service was with a free phone, and even now they (the cellular industry) is pushing for GSM or some other form of domestic standards. This is very different of "industry" standards, such as DVD - where they write the legal mumbo-jumbo so hodgepodge that it is a royal screwjob for the consumer.
I currently use Qwest.net, being the LEC I figured they would be around. I switched after Reflex Communications ended up exploding in chapter 7 flaming death. This will probably make me switch my domain, internet service, etc. to another DSL provider. I have problems with this, and will not give any money to "that company".
It's funny really about Ma Bell, the AMPS and NAMPS standards were of course drafted in 1947. Very simple of course, no SS7 - and it does resemble a base-station 900Mhz phone of today when thought about. However it could have been entirely possible that we would have saw Mobile Phones during the era that CSS6 (common channel signaling 6) also known as SS6. To make things more interesting IS-41 was not even started until 1984 (the year that Ma Bell was broke up). IS-41 just was accepted (as in a few months ago) by ANSI and is now an ANSI standard (ANSI-41). I for one am rather happy to see that the Baby Bells are being gentrified as the winners in the internet space (see earlier today) rather than AT&T - usually LECs have much more to do to please the customers then AT&T ever did... which gets back to why we didn't have cell phones in 1960.
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Although it is my opinion, as well as most of my friends' DDR USA sucks. The one for the PS doesn't interest me really as I don't have one and don't think I will go out and buy one any time soon. I'm hoping that the japanese variants of DDR will come to the game cube. More importantly I would hope that those games are going to also come to the usa release of the game cube.
Just so that everyone knows - it appears that the CVS variant of Galeon works fine with Mozilla 0.9.4.
Does anyone know if DDR's (dance dance revolution) be coming to the Game Cube? More importantly - will they come to the USA market?
-Brian
Really when you think about it, 400k of debt isn't all that bad - in constrast to the millions of dollars that the .bombs incurred. Quite a few companies have filed for chapter 11 and got out of it just fine. Far too often we equate chapter 11 with the .bombs who went a-lookin for a buyer the moment that stuff started to go sour before the executive staff bailed. This is not how Loki operated - Loki wasn't public, and the business plan overall wasn't terrible. However chapter 11 does equate an admission that there was a fundamental flaw in your business plan. From there you can either fold, or fix. I think that Loki may look into the way that they sell and distribute their products. For instance, the retail market simply isn't ready for Linux based gaming at the moment. I don't mind it as a secondary outlet - however it probably should not have been the primary focus of the business model. (just for instance) If Loki was to take that all back in-house the profit margin would go up even if they would sell the games for less (less overhead). I do hope that Loki makes a press release, stating what the problems are and how they intend to correct them. If they do that, we as customers and open source / Linux enthusiasts need to overlook the technical details and assist them. Personally I own 11 games from Loki - and I love every last one of them. They do a great job.
Here's to hoping...
Yes I saw it.... I'm going to wait until I see a patch =)
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make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.8/drivers/sound/emu10k1'
rm -f emu10k1.o
ld -m elf_i386 -r -o emu10k1.o audio.o cardmi.o cardmo.o cardwi.o cardwo.o ecard.o efxmgr.o emuadxmg.o hwaccess.o irqmgr.o joystick.o main.o midi.o mixer.o passthrough.o recmgr.o timer.o voicemgr.o
main.o(.modinfo+0x40): multiple definition of `__module_author'
joystick.o(.modinfo+0x80): first defined here
ld: Warning: size of symbol `__module_author' changed from 67 to 81 in main.o
main.o(.modinfo+0xa0): multiple definition of `__module_description'
joystick.o(.modinfo+0xe0): first defined here
ld: Warning: size of symbol `__module_description' changed from 83 to 96 in main.o
main.o: In function `init_module':
main.o(.text+0x1880): multiple definition of `init_module'
joystick.o(.text+0x210): first defined here
main.o: In function `cleanup_module':
main.o(.text+0x18c0): multiple definition of `cleanup_module'
joystick.o(.text+0x250): first defined here
make[3]: *** [emu10k1.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.8/drivers/sound/emu10k1'
make[2]: *** [_modsubdir_emu10k1] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.8/drivers/sound'
make[1]: *** [_modsubdir_sound] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.8/drivers'
make: *** [_mod_drivers] Error 2
Why don't they just stick it out there one of these days when they are going to the ISS? Combine missions, save money, do a bit more...
Adobe is a US based company. If they are actually trying to get money out of you I don't see why it would be in Euro. Not to mention 2500 euro seems like a very small sum to begin with. I would check with Adobe Corporate Legal and see if this letter is a fake or not before worrying about it. Most large companies tend to get their panties in a bunch to the sum of many hundred of thousands of dollars (or more) over trademark infringement.
The company that I work for Telecommunication Systems Inc. (TCS) has an SMPP (short message packet protocol) to e-mail gateway product that we sell to carriers and businesses to cure this problem. Inter carrier messaging is cool stuff.
How does this work with other software from Microsoft - for instance Office, Internet Explorer - etc. for MacOSX? I've been curious to see what it will be compiled with (gcc?) - so does this remove the Mac people from developing with any of the same tools that the rest of the company uses for development? Could be me, but this seems a stupid business move. "You can only play our way" will not bode well if the Monopoly case ever starts up again.
I know that in your writing you tend to play the cynic for a good many writings, however I am curious how the media gets a good review from JohnKatz.Especially in the movie review role - do you have a special amount of criteria that must be met?
Again, just curious.
Yes, I saw it coming earlier this year. With IBM pumping (quite literally) billions of dollars into Linux development, and putting "Linux everywhere". What with RedHat turning a profit, and of course what with companies such as Sun and HP promising GNOME on the next major release of their OS. Of course don't forget Loki Entertainment staying alive through the worst of it - and gaining the support of Nokia...
Yes I saw it, the end is coming. There is no economy for Linux on the desktop. Just billions and billions of dollars floating around from corporate giants.
Why do we say this each and every time that something bad happens? It's like chicken little "oh the sky is falling oh the sky is falling". It's not the end, there is too much invested in it now. In fact the number of people I know who run Linux as the desktop of choice has easily doubled since early this year.
Is it the end? Hell no...
From the bottom of the page
...
.... Although the raw data is user submitted, the storage, retrieval, categorization, and organization of the database, the access interface, and the matching and filtering methods are absolutely proprietary, and we will do what is necessary to defend this intellectual property
Essentially they are trying to say that they own:
1) the raw data that is submitted (the name of the song in the database etc.)
2) the interface, this could mean the protocol,
the interface to the database (i.e. rom the server application to the database. E.g jdbc)
3) the algorythm to issue the select statement via the protocol
4) they take the above 3 and combine them into how they define "IP"
Simply put it is very suspect, and most likely illegal to begin with ala the DMCA - as all this information is keyed off of a digital signature that is tied to the CD (tracks, time, etc.) - that information is owned by the record company. Not gracenote.
Actually I was thinking about it a little more. And Gracenote is actually breaking the law where as FreeDB is not. This is why:
Gracenote:
Believes that they "own" the content of the database, they call this "IP" (per the buzzword that everyone is using these days). However they allow the end user to use the database limitlessly as long as the client has been "approved" by Gracenote. (if free or not free etc.)
FreeDB:
Knows damn well that it doesn't own the content of the data. FreeDB believes that the data in the database is a community resource - getting to it may be slightly different as they own the equipment that the data runs on. This is entirely dependant upon the community at large.
The reason why Gracenote is probably screwing up is simple. 1) The record company, 2) artist, or 3) individual owns the IP. Not Gracenote. If 1) the record company has trademarks regarding the name of the song - they own that for a number of years. Sorry. If there is no record company, and the artist is independant then 2) the Artist owns it. Depending on both 1 and 2 it comes back to 3) the individual consumer. Simply put unless the consumer is given a liscense to sell or give away the intellectual properity they have no right to give it away to Gracenote for sale. If they DO then Gracenote *MUST* notify the consumer that this is their intent - and as such the consumer has the option not to allow this.
None of this happens with Gracenote, simply put they take and sell. This is a sad thing indeed because Gracenote doesn't have any idea of how these companies look at the IP that THEY protect. Gracenote should take precautions as not to be sued themselves.
At any rate, thought this was interesting
Essentially gracenote is suing because they are using a competing service. Regardless of if it is the same protocol or not. This won't stand up in court simply for the fact that businesses can (and do) support community services instead of a corporation. Gracenote must have learned that they have no value to add to the service, and as such they must protect it. Sadly this is not going to fly with Freedb out there. If Roxio / Adeptec wants to use a differing service - who cares? Unless Gracenote / Adeptec had some other agreement above and beyond .... there just isn't much to stand on here.
You see, all these 3rd party programs need an operating system to run on. However if the dependency is on Microsoft which is telling the 3rd party software vendors to "screw off" where do you think that they will go? One possibility is Apple, and even Linux. Most of these people will be in the same boat as the base source inbetween MacOSX and Linux would be portable (GUI enhancements probably wouldn't).
Real, AOL, etc. go invest in Mandrake and RedHat and bundle end user OS'es. Linux is great for us geeks, but we need to evolve it to the user who doesn't want to know everything as well.
This is true, however in the corporate mindset once a company goes under all the IP and work tends to go with it. In an open source business model this is not the case. It wasn't so much of a fundamental statement of who will support the source for Nautilus but more of a retort to what has been said throught the past few weeks (open source doesn't work, GPL doesn't work, etc. for business) and months from companies such as Microsoft.
Perhaps Eazel will not make it, which is truly a sad event. However the legacy can live on in its entirety. For instance Ximian can easily obtain the source, perhaps even some of the developers and continue the product line into their own.
Just choose the closest model and don't worry about it too much. You may even want to skip the X configuration and go directly to the new drivers - you can download them from www.nvidia.com (they have an ftp site that has all of the drivers at ftp://ftp1.detonator.nvidia.com/pub/drivers/englis h/XFree86_40/. There is 1) a kernel driver and 2) an OpenGL driver for XFree86 - you need both of them. The latest is 0.9-769 last time I checked. If you have updated your kernel or anything in RedHat get the source rpm for the kernel module.
I have been using an Nvidia GeForce2 MX for about 6 months. Quite simply put it beats the pants off of my former Voodoo - which never quite worked correctly. A few of my friends have purchased the GeForce3 just to make me drool at the slickness and ease at which it draws... (mmm gaming) While on the topic of Nvidia I do have a question - has anyone had a chance to play with the GeForce2 Go? I am considering buying a new Dell Inspiron with it and have been unable to find success stories / etc under Linux - anyone?
The GPL makes a ton of business sense. When looked at objectively it creates the requirement for businesses to constantly improve and innovate. If they do not, then they die. However such liscenses as the BSD liscense make a lot of sense to those who want to protect the interests of the company to the point where if they wanted to fuck over the customer the company has the ability to say "too bad". I think that this is a very dangerous thing coming from a company who has been so well known for Linux and GPL support over the years. What, if any code *COULD* Caldera re-liscense under the BSD liscense? Perhaps companies are correct to question the GPL. Perhaps we should look into providing alternatives that are friendly to corporations, consumers, and the collective body that has done all the work. I guess my *BIGGEST* problem is where so called "digital" law is at the moment allows anyone to "own" technology forever. Add "encryption" to it and it suddenly becomes a mortal sin to reverse engineer it. It's sad to see that people still don't get it, it's even sadder that people who are supposedly even the "leaders" still don't get it.
Companies like Transgaming must exist so that a large installed user base can exist for companies such as Loki to be able to flourish. The problem lies that not every gaming company will want to spend the money on porting every game to Linux, however if say Sierra, ID, or EA can bundle a piece of software with a Windows game and say that it "works in emulation in Linux" this creates an installed gaming user base in Linux. This also forces companies such as Mandrake, RedHat, and SuSE to listen to what the end users really want and bring them an experience. For those who don't think that there is much potential in this sort of market I would have you check the average computer user (E.g. Mom & Dad) and compare this to the average gamer. Who spends more on computing equipment and software? Other companies will follow where the revenue goes, if it's Microsoft or Linux won't matter as long as they can continue to make the investors happy. WineX is not a long term solution. However I think that it is a needed booster solution for the Linux community. Generally speaking those who are running Linux at the moment will continue running it until it goes away. However those that are gaming and running Windows have no reason to leave that environment.
Any other ideas?
Wasn't CSS supposed to "protect" the video information found on DVD's? Oh right, I forgot - it was cracked! Is it just me or do the big 5 just /not/ get it? I understand that they want to protect their ability to maximize profits, however as a consumer I have to say enough is enough. Consumer electronics and otherwise have become sophisticated enough to require some form of standardization (either ANSI or ITU, you be the judge). I mean look at the cellular carrier industry - the only way they could get people to (usually) sign up with service was with a free phone, and even now they (the cellular industry) is pushing for GSM or some other form of domestic standards. This is very different of "industry" standards, such as DVD - where they write the legal mumbo-jumbo so hodgepodge that it is a royal screwjob for the consumer.
I currently use Qwest.net, being the LEC I figured they would be around. I switched after Reflex Communications ended up exploding in chapter 7 flaming death. This will probably make me switch my domain, internet service, etc. to another DSL provider. I have problems with this, and will not give any money to "that company".
It's funny really about Ma Bell, the AMPS and NAMPS standards were of course drafted in 1947. Very simple of course, no SS7 - and it does resemble a base-station 900Mhz phone of today when thought about. However it could have been entirely possible that we would have saw Mobile Phones during the era that CSS6 (common channel signaling 6) also known as SS6. To make things more interesting IS-41 was not even started until 1984 (the year that Ma Bell was broke up). IS-41 just was accepted (as in a few months ago) by ANSI and is now an ANSI standard (ANSI-41). I for one am rather happy to see that the Baby Bells are being gentrified as the winners in the internet space (see earlier today) rather than AT&T - usually LECs have much more to do to please the customers then AT&T ever did ... which gets back to why we didn't have cell phones in 1960.
What about wolfenstien 3d? ;)