I would guess by that description you work for one of the big kids. I don't know too many ISPs who kick it on both side, but if you work for who I think you work for, I think I used to work there too before the really muscled into the cable market.
Clear Channel getting bigger won't be good for anyone. Now the RIAA will have more power to fight file sharing, while ignoring the fact that the reason they aren't selling as many records is because most of what the push out is complete and utter fertilizer.
I have never had to deal with Comcast, so I cannot speak for that. The jsut bought my old provider (ATTBI), but my city is wired to the gills and is capable of providing cable internet to everyone with in city limits. I could get comcast if I really wanted it (they offer a plan that is 3/512 which makes my mouth water) bu I don't really want to deal with a big business if I don't have to.
The thing that you have to remember with Comcast is that even IF if you could get cable from somewhere else they still own the lines, and you problems will not go away. You will just have a different filter in dealing with them, and you won't be giving them quite as much money. DSL works the same way, but is much uglier technologically speaking, not to mention slower.
Good luck whichever way you end up going, you will most likely need it.
You average cable internet install is pretty easy once the infastructure is in place. Put the jack into the wall, plug "modem" into jack, plug (usb or ethernet) cable into PC. Reboot.
I know that is a simplification, and that there is more to it than that (behind the scenes) but that is all the average customer and usually the installer have to worry about.
When I first got cable installed the tech took one look at the computer room and said "You probablly don't want me to touch anything, do you?" I shook my head. He installed the jack handed me the cd which I immeadiatly tossed and went on his merry way.
My main point is not going to appeal to everyone because some people do have good luck with DSL. But having worked the issue from both sides, it is an absolute nightmare to service and maintain, especially if you are a vendor ISP or one of their customers.
There is usually not much of a difference because usually there is not and difference in who owns the infastructure. It's all about price and to tell you the honest truth that is all the average consumer cares about.
Most people who are oput shopping for that sort of thing don't ever plan to run anactual server off it, not do they even know the difference between a static or dynamic IP address. Even discussing speeds all the know is the bigger the number the better, and even that is pretty much uniform.
All the want to know is that is will work, it will cost this much and it IS faster than AOL was.
In most cases you would probably even be better off getting service from the telco itself because it is easier for them to get info than it is for your average ISP, unless you live in an area serviced by qwest, then you should just commit sepaku and be thankful you lived and died like a samurai.
DSL has been a total crapshoot since its inception. Some people get it and never have a problem with it (most people in the first two or so miles. When things get stretched to their limits though is when things get wonky.
Things are always ugly when you have vendors working with other vendors. As anyone who has any concept of how a good customer service relationship should work knows, the customer is almost always wrong about facts and always right when with regards to their opinion. For the most part a company's structure is a total mystery to the customer. Now, when you are an ISP who has a customer and you are providing them a service that you, yourself only have a small amount of control over and you in turn become the customer of another company (or as was the case when I would ISP tech support, a lot of other companies) things tend to get a little confused, not only for you but also for your customer. You have to spend a great deal of time trying to figure out who to contact for what as well as a lot of time trying to ascertain whether or not there is anything you can do on your end to make the problem disappear.
In other words, it's a clusterfuck (if you will pardon my foul lingo). So deregulation, while good for the average businessman, is not necessarily so good for the consumer.
I personally feel that the nature of this technology makes it a poor choice for the average Joe User (userj?) in this country. There are too many factors that make it a poor choice for a non techie (example PPPOE, distance variations, cordless phones, multiple vendors, lamps, the tides, wind direction, sunspots, liver spots, etc). Cable is by far the better choice for our geography and our average level of intelligence and patience.
I am fortunate to not have to worry about getting meaningless certs in my job. Although I have considered looking into them as a way to broaden my horizens (ie make my resume look better).
Am I underwhelmed by the idea of Wristphones. Now that cool thing DoCoMo was working on awhile back where you could use your hand as a phone (you know, how you look when you mime talking on the phone), now that was friggen cool. Whatever happened to that anyway?
Even if that happens, which I doubt, I don't see myself spending much time in the girl's section of the Toy store. Though those were some of my favorite my sister's toys as the all smelled pretty good. I think it started me down the slipperly slope of marker sniffing.
I got my first -1 in years for making the same comment a few seconds later. I suppose I should feel better that the guy who beat me to the punch got hit as well.
Well I think I will now go use my Mod points for good.
He jacked the camp on lake union? WHat so now all the little rich kids have to mingle with the Proles. Great Googly Moogly!
He has done a great deal for the community, even if not everyone gets it. That the good part of being filthy stinking rich, you get to mold the world to your perception.
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I would love to see the autoshotty paintball gun, as that is my prefered weapon on Prospeedball.
De_dust2 sufferes from the reverse problem. It is a T map all the way.
Having said that, I have always enjoyed playing both of them despite being unbalanced.
Thought thank goodness I have finally retired from that blasted game. I was begining to pay it in my sleep.
J-lo?
Wrong I am, like a fool I feel.
:-)
This conversation never happened.
Better for you anyway that you don't work for who i thought, I was just hoping to exchange war stories.
AIn't that the truth.
I would guess by that description you work for one of the big kids. I don't know too many ISPs who kick it on both side, but if you work for who I think you work for, I think I used to work there too before the really muscled into the cable market.
Just a guess.
...I think I am going to be sick.
Clear Channel getting bigger won't be good for anyone. Now the RIAA will have more power to fight file sharing, while ignoring the fact that the reason they aren't selling as many records is because most of what the push out is complete and utter fertilizer.
I have never had to deal with Comcast, so I cannot speak for that. The jsut bought my old provider (ATTBI), but my city is wired to the gills and is capable of providing cable internet to everyone with in city limits. I could get comcast if I really wanted it (they offer a plan that is 3/512 which makes my mouth water) bu I don't really want to deal with a big business if I don't have to.
The thing that you have to remember with Comcast is that even IF if you could get cable from somewhere else they still own the lines, and you problems will not go away. You will just have a different filter in dealing with them, and you won't be giving them quite as much money. DSL works the same way, but is much uglier technologically speaking, not to mention slower.
Good luck whichever way you end up going, you will most likely need it.
Could be worse, you could now have Qwest.
Though I agree, SBC can blow you.
ain't that the truth, brother..
You average cable internet install is pretty easy once the infastructure is in place. Put the jack into the wall, plug "modem" into jack, plug (usb or ethernet) cable into PC. Reboot.
I know that is a simplification, and that there is more to it than that (behind the scenes) but that is all the average customer and usually the installer have to worry about.
When I first got cable installed the tech took one look at the computer room and said "You probablly don't want me to touch anything, do you?" I shook my head. He installed the jack handed me the cd which I immeadiatly tossed and went on his merry way.
My main point is not going to appeal to everyone because some people do have good luck with DSL. But having worked the issue from both sides, it is an absolute nightmare to service and maintain, especially if you are a vendor ISP or one of their customers.
There is usually not much of a difference because usually there is not and difference in who owns the infastructure. It's all about price and to tell you the honest truth that is all the average consumer cares about.
Most people who are oput shopping for that sort of thing don't ever plan to run anactual server off it, not do they even know the difference between a static or dynamic IP address. Even discussing speeds all the know is the bigger the number the better, and even that is pretty much uniform.
All the want to know is that is will work, it will cost this much and it IS faster than AOL was.
In most cases you would probably even be better off getting service from the telco itself because it is easier for them to get info than it is for your average ISP, unless you live in an area serviced by qwest, then you should just commit sepaku and be thankful you lived and died like a samurai.
DSL has been a total crapshoot since its inception. Some people get it and never have a problem with it (most people in the first two or so miles. When things get stretched to their limits though is when things get wonky.
Things are always ugly when you have vendors working with other vendors. As anyone who has any concept of how a good customer service relationship should work knows, the customer is almost always wrong about facts and always right when with regards to their opinion. For the most part a company's structure is a total mystery to the customer. Now, when you are an ISP who has a customer and you are providing them a service that you, yourself only have a small amount of control over and you in turn become the customer of another company (or as was the case when I would ISP tech support, a lot of other companies) things tend to get a little confused, not only for you but also for your customer. You have to spend a great deal of time trying to figure out who to contact for what as well as a lot of time trying to ascertain whether or not there is anything you can do on your end to make the problem disappear.
In other words, it's a clusterfuck (if you will pardon my foul lingo). So deregulation, while good for the average businessman, is not necessarily so good for the consumer.
I personally feel that the nature of this technology makes it a poor choice for the average Joe User (userj?) in this country. There are too many factors that make it a poor choice for a non techie (example PPPOE, distance variations, cordless phones, multiple vendors, lamps, the tides, wind direction, sunspots, liver spots, etc). Cable is by far the better choice for our geography and our average level of intelligence and patience.
It depends on how exicted you are about the whole thing.
Actually I had to use when on an HP system with multiple root accounts and it just stuck with me.
TPSFAGA: That's Pretty Standard For A Government Agency
I am fortunate to not have to worry about getting meaningless certs in my job. Although I have considered looking into them as a way to broaden my horizens (ie make my resume look better).
Thats what a Masters is for, my friend. Now I just have to sort out which area to get it in.
True, but they really hate it when you try to use alliteration, World Wide Web notwithstanding.
Congratz on the degree though.
I think the real reason the enrollment numbers are going down is because those of us with Liberal Arts Dergrees are snapping up all of the IT jobs.
I'm serious...why are you guys laughing?
Am I underwhelmed by the idea of Wristphones. Now that cool thing DoCoMo was working on awhile back where you could use your hand as a phone (you know, how you look when you mime talking on the phone), now that was friggen cool. Whatever happened to that anyway?
Even if that happens, which I doubt, I don't see myself spending much time in the girl's section of the Toy store. Though those were some of my favorite my sister's toys as the all smelled pretty good. I think it started me down the slipperly slope of marker sniffing.
To the best of my knowledge they haven't had Strawberry Shortcake dolls on the market since my sister was in Elementary school.
She has had her BS for a couple of years now and she isn't a Doogie Houser. Isn't the 6 year old arguement a little moot?
Yeah, it must be not getting laid season again.
I got my first -1 in years for making the same comment a few seconds later. I suppose I should feel better that the guy who beat me to the punch got hit as well.
Well I think I will now go use my Mod points for good.
I hope this film doesn't make me angry...
You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.
So which one is Apple and which one is Microsoft?
Mr.Lee is very obviously Xerox.
He jacked the camp on lake union? WHat so now all the little rich kids have to mingle with the Proles. Great Googly Moogly!
He has done a great deal for the community, even if not everyone gets it. That the good part of being filthy stinking rich, you get to mold the world to your perception.