...I tried last year to put together a lean mean Opera style browser for my alpha. I thought "Hey, they've already got working ports for Sun boxes, it can't be that much trouble to strip down and port to 64 bits". OK, it's downloaded. Hmmm, let's scan about the source a bit. Peruse the makefile. Is there anything like an autoconfig? They've gotta have something like that to deal with all of their targets...Little did I know that the near total lack of documentation and the lack of even remotely compilable source, much less a runnable/debuggable binary would stop me in my tracks. Yeah, I could have kept at it, but I figured that by the time I got something together, a better version of Moz' would have been out and about. I dumped it and turned towards other things. It turns out to be a double gotcha. By now I'm sure I'd have been there(I was shooting for later Summer or early Fall).
dollars are pretty lame looking. They are going to stick with the "greenback" motif because it is "classic". Oh well. AFAIK, they have never addressed the size or texture issue. Probably there would be some problem with changing too many cash register drawers and automatic money changers for that to ever fly.
I wonder, do those folks with varied bill sizes have changers?
I can work 20 hours a week and spend the rest on charities or at my daughter's softball games because most of my income is generated by investments that I made 20 years ago. Thankfully, my taxes are low enough that I get to keep most of what I make and spend/invest it as I see fit rather than waste it on the whim of some 'crat in DC. It's not too bad being a semi-retired 40 year old lamer that never graduated.;-)
>>Why, a mere 100 years in the future, is the earth's core cooled?
>They mentioned something about the humans "scorching" the sky when fighting the machines which I guess meant that they blocked out the sun because that was it's early source of power. This would have made earth's temperature drop.
Literally, blocking the sun, won't have any measureable affect on the core of the earth in a million years, much less one hundred. The whole bit about "feeding off of people" was there for "monster effect" and only for monster effect. No basis in reality at all. All the rest of the violations of physics stem from that one idea. All the BS about temperature, the agents, the battles, the AI living off of the energy of the people comes from the Hollywood need to make the AI monstrous.
There are lots of good ideas here but the opinion that seems to stand out is to not exclude moderators from discussions in which they are inclined to participate. I cannot comment on how well or how poorly the current model works from a mderator's point of view, but it seems that the way to prevent human failure is to either limit or over-ride the human.
The idea proposed above about excluding a moderator only from threads in which he or she posts seems good, but who knows how it will work out. Will it cause moderation to become too much of a chore? I know it would for me. I want to post. I want to mod. Aaack, this is a good thread and I must choose...
Are there any other ways that the human failures could be reliably eliminated?
Implementing the mass-mod system seems like a good start. It may turn out that restrictions on mod/post activity will be unnecessary because even if a mod pushes a post that conflicts with his down, another will pump it up. If there are enough mods, the poster will be lost in the noise.
The only requirement here would be that enough mods read at the raw-and-uncut -1 level.
I think that we should try these ideas out. Don't just pick one or a certain set and run. Give them all a spin. We are breaking new ground here. Let's find out what works.
Last week I got a copy of "3001 The Final Odyssey" and I started reading it on Saturday. It's all about Frank Poole who wakes up after 1000 years in the interplanetary deep-freeze, and all of the technological developments and cultural changes that have occurred in the interim. Sunday there's a new show called "Futurama" about a guy that wakes up after 1000 years in the deep-freeze, and all of the technological developments and cultural changes that have occurred in the interim.
Realize that the net will keep your promises since you are the one that is in control.
>What mass media guys are saying resemble what it >was said about car or computers when they were >first introduced.
And the basis of some of the predictions were true. That is, they both have brought about change. Some changes were large, some small and many of the predictions were completely off base.
I agree that the net is not over-hyped. It is self-hyped. It cannot be a victim of it's own success because you the user that made it a success is in control. It does not matter if ABC puts up a site along with PBS, NBC, et al. You don't have to visit. While the net currently has more limited bandwidth than does TV, cable, or satellite broadcast, it _does_ have a point-to-point capability and so it has a virtually unlimited range of "channels".
Cable tv has changed broadcast tv because it offers more choices. Those that want those choices accept the opportunity, pay the price, and reap the benefits. I for one hardly ever tune in to the big three or four networks anymore(except for sports) as there is always something more interesting on cable.
The 'net is doing the same thing for me. I don't subscribe to the local paper anymore because they have an online site, and so does the BBC, NYT, CNN, and all the other news sources as well. I don't have my choices limited by what the local news stand chooses to carry. I can make my own choices from a much wider selection.
One reason that the 'net _will_make_major_changes_ is because the 'net is an information transport system. Everything that we do revolves around the flow and analysis of information. We select our vegetables, breads, meats and dairy products at the local grocery store based on what information about foodstuffs we have received. Buy a car, house, pc, os, soundcard, stereo, tv, lawnmower, anything you purchase you choose to do so based on information. When printed and broadcast media controlled the major information sources, you had a limited choice. Where do you go to find information on lawnmowers? A few magazines that did reports or reviews could be found in the library and that was about it. Now, you can go online and read my review of my lawnmower/car/boat/housebuilder etc and get the information first hand. This is real hard data that has come directly from someone else that has already done something that you are considering. It is not a survey, or poll with a limited set of stilted questions. There is no editor or publisher in between that can limit or modify the data. It is a one-to-one comuunications opportunity. Imagine what the telephone system would be like if you could look up and call all of the John Deere lawnmower owners in your area that were willing to talk. Heh, imagine what voice mail would be like if you didn't have to transcribe all of those phone numbers and adresses that folks leave on your machine.
Where will your kids go to school? What job offer will you accept after graduation? Will you propose to marry this woman or that one?( hint: do a background check). What food will you eat? Which beer will you drink? Where to go on vacation? Which airline to take/hotel to rent? What will you do for fun this evening? Which concert? Which movie? Which ISP? Vote for which candidate?
The more information we have available along with searching and indexing facilities, the better choices we can make about everything.
...if someone has changed your root password and deleted all other accounts. Add to that, they probably don't have anyone on-site that knows how to cold boot and re-install the the password files and/or os...
The MEEPt used to be sharp, witty and entertaining but recently it's as if it has gotten sick or something. It's posts are often unitelligible, disjointed collections of words. The contrast between the 'old' MEEPt and the 'new' is such that I often wonder if there hasn't been an ID theft.
...you blew it. sounds like you'd make a good mod.
Sometimes, the survival of the "fittest" as determined by certain artificially established rules is not what you really want. Ask Rob, he'll tell you. What he wants is for/. to be a quality web site. From that simple statement one cannot directly deduce that moderators must be anon or else cease to be mods.
Oh well, this is Rob's baby and there are bound to be growing pains.
your post rate a 2 and the one immediately before which says almost the same thing, even using the same words, and phasing only rates a 1?
I understand that a we'll have a bit of wildness as the mods play around with their newfound influence, but really, someone decided to mote your post up one notch and not the other for no apparent reason except personal favoritism.
Allow logged-on users to post as AC? Put a checkbox next to the submit button that says "Post Anon". That way, the posts can be anon, and untraceable by the rest of us and the user can still have "user" privledges like preferences.
Rob, as much as anything, geeks love numbers. Everyone is asking about this score level, or that, moderator this or that. How about this idea:
Give each moderator a public/permanent number and publish their stats. Show how many articles read or downloaded, how many voted up(with a list), how many down.
That way I can identify with a moderator or a few. I can look and see modXXX has voted these up, and I agree his opinion, so I bookmark his(her) up-list. After a couple of weeks of scouting out the mods, I won't even have to vist slashdot.org anymore, just the pre-read bookmarks. Or allow us to use the prefs to select from a list, include the threshold and say "show all articles voted up by mods x, y, and z and anything else that is above 3", or something like that.
Even if someone chose to go by the raw score, they could still look at the mod stats and see what each has been doing.
Next, let the readers rate a story. Perhaps it will have to be confined to logged-in users, but anyway, giving the story a simple +/- and the sum would be much more efficient than posting another "Jo* *atz is a gasbag" reply.
Finally, along with the current summary header that includes the number of articles, add how many up/downs there have been or perhaps an average score. 217/0.76 or something like that.
Someone did this for me just the other day. That is, they had/. send me an email containing my password. I wonder if they know that the IP of the requesting box is sent also, and that they are not on a dynamic IP address...
Gnu tools are used everywhere. Does anyone refer to GNU/Solaris? GNU/AIX? GNU/DU? Hell, I even have a copy of the Cygnus tools for win32 on this here NT box. Do I call it GNU/NT? No, no, no, and no. The os is typically named by the creator with whatever name they so choose. As it turns out even our beloved LT did not get his wish and the kernel was named by a sysadmin.
After that, the users choose. Have you _ever_ seen M$ refer to itself as M$? No, of course not. I call it Linux. You can call it whatever you want.
Slashdot Mirror
Thank goodness I'm running "raw-and-uncut" else I would have missed this.
...I tried last year to put together a lean mean Opera style browser for my alpha. I thought "Hey, they've already got working ports for Sun boxes, it can't be that much trouble to strip down and port to 64 bits". OK, it's downloaded. Hmmm, let's scan about the source a bit. Peruse the makefile. Is there anything like an autoconfig? They've gotta have something like that to deal with all of their targets...Little did I know that the near total lack of documentation and the lack of even remotely compilable source, much less a runnable/debuggable binary would stop me in my tracks. Yeah, I could have kept at it, but I figured that by the time I got something together, a better version of Moz' would have been out and about. I dumped it and turned towards other things. It turns out to be a double gotcha. By now I'm sure I'd have been there(I was shooting for later Summer or early Fall).
Oh well, looking forward to June...
What's this a kids show character from Russia or what?
Brings back some ancient memories.
dollars are pretty lame looking. They are going to stick with the "greenback" motif because it is "classic". Oh well. AFAIK, they have never addressed the size or texture issue. Probably there would be some problem with changing too many cash register drawers and automatic money changers for that to ever fly.
I wonder, do those folks with varied bill sizes have changers?
I can work 20 hours a week and spend the rest on charities or at my daughter's softball games because most of my income is generated by investments that I made 20 years ago. Thankfully, my taxes are low enough that I get to keep most of what I make and spend/invest it as I see fit rather than waste it on the whim of some 'crat in DC. It's not too bad being a semi-retired 40 year old lamer that never graduated. ;-)
>>Why, a mere 100 years in the future, is the earth's core cooled?
>They mentioned something about the humans "scorching" the sky when fighting the machines which I guess meant that they blocked out the sun because that was it's early source of power. This would have made earth's temperature drop.
Literally, blocking the sun, won't have any measureable affect on the core of the earth in a million years, much less one hundred. The whole bit about "feeding off of people" was there for "monster effect" and only for monster effect. No basis in reality at all. All the rest of the violations of physics stem from that one idea. All the BS about temperature, the agents, the battles, the AI living off of the energy of the people comes from the Hollywood need to make the AI monstrous.
There are lots of good ideas here but the opinion that seems to stand out is to not exclude moderators from discussions in which they are inclined to participate. I cannot comment on how well or how poorly the current model works from a mderator's point of view, but it seems that the way to prevent human failure is to either limit or over-ride the human.
The idea proposed above about excluding a moderator only from threads in which he or she posts seems good, but who knows how it will work out. Will it cause moderation to become too much of a chore? I know it would for me. I want to post. I want to mod. Aaack, this is a good thread and I must choose...
Are there any other ways that the human failures could be reliably eliminated?
Implementing the mass-mod system seems like a good start. It may turn out that restrictions on mod/post activity will be unnecessary because even if a mod pushes a post that conflicts with his down, another will pump it up. If there are enough mods, the poster will be lost in the noise.
The only requirement here would be that enough mods read at the raw-and-uncut -1 level.
I think that we should try these ideas out. Don't just pick one or a certain set and run. Give them all a spin. We are breaking new ground here. Let's find out what works.
Last week I got a copy of "3001 The Final Odyssey" and I started reading it on Saturday. It's all about Frank Poole who wakes up after 1000 years in the interplanetary deep-freeze, and all of the technological developments and cultural changes that have occurred in the interim. Sunday there's a new show called "Futurama" about a guy that wakes up after 1000 years in the deep-freeze, and all of the technological developments and cultural changes that have occurred in the interim.
I recall that slogan about bringing all the divided factions into one divided faction.
The others are blank. Unfortunately, the original has been silent, or silently deleted.
as soon as I hit SUBMIT....
with a bit of yellow on the tip of his nose and around his eyes. Other than that it would be all puffed up nice and really tight.
Realize that the net will keep your promises since you are the one that is in control.
>What mass media guys are saying resemble what it
>was said about car or computers when they were
>first introduced.
And the basis of some of the predictions were true. That is, they both have brought about change. Some changes were large, some small and many of the predictions were completely off base.
I agree that the net is not over-hyped. It is self-hyped. It cannot be a victim of it's own success because you the user that made it a success is in control. It does not matter if ABC puts up a site along with PBS, NBC, et al. You don't have to visit. While the net currently has more limited bandwidth than does TV, cable, or satellite broadcast, it _does_ have a point-to-point capability and so it has a virtually unlimited range of "channels".
Cable tv has changed broadcast tv because it offers more choices. Those that want those choices accept the opportunity, pay the price, and reap the benefits. I for one hardly ever tune in to the big three or four networks anymore(except for sports) as there is always something more interesting on cable.
The 'net is doing the same thing for me. I don't subscribe to the local paper anymore because they have an online site, and so does the BBC, NYT, CNN, and all the other news sources as well. I don't have my choices limited by what the local news stand chooses to carry. I can make my own choices from a much wider selection.
One reason that the 'net _will_make_major_changes_ is because the 'net is an information transport system. Everything that we do revolves around the flow and analysis of information. We select our vegetables, breads, meats and dairy products at the local grocery store based on what information about foodstuffs we have received. Buy a car, house, pc, os, soundcard, stereo, tv, lawnmower, anything you purchase you choose to do so based on information. When printed and broadcast media controlled the major information sources, you had a limited choice. Where do you go to find information on lawnmowers? A few magazines that did reports or reviews could be found in the library and that was about it. Now, you can go online and read my review of my lawnmower/car/boat/housebuilder etc and get the information first hand. This is real hard data that has come directly from someone else that has already done something that you are considering. It is not a survey, or poll with a limited set of stilted questions. There is no editor or publisher in between that can limit or modify the data. It is a one-to-one comuunications opportunity. Imagine what the telephone system would be like if you could look up and call all of the John Deere lawnmower owners in your area that were willing to talk. Heh, imagine what voice mail would be like if you didn't have to transcribe all of those phone numbers and adresses that folks leave on your machine.
Where will your kids go to school?
What job offer will you accept after graduation?
Will you propose to marry this woman or that one?( hint: do a background check).
What food will you eat?
Which beer will you drink?
Where to go on vacation?
Which airline to take/hotel to rent?
What will you do for fun this evening?
Which concert?
Which movie?
Which ISP?
Vote for which candidate?
The more information we have available along with searching and indexing facilities, the better choices we can make about everything.
...about a book called "Running to the Mountain" then the "Running to..." article titles will likely and IMO appropriately continue.
Try this:
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
or this:
http://work.ucsd.edu:5141/cgi-bin/http_webster
...if someone has changed your root password and deleted all other accounts. Add to that, they probably don't have anyone on-site that knows how to cold boot and re-install the the password files and/or os...
I can't tell what he gets by default since I can't tell if the post is raw or if it has been bumped up a notch or down three notches by the mods.
The MEEPt used to be sharp, witty and entertaining but recently it's as if it has gotten sick or something. It's posts are often unitelligible, disjointed collections of words. The contrast between the 'old' MEEPt and the 'new' is such that I often wonder if there hasn't been an ID theft.
...you blew it. sounds like you'd make a good mod.
/. to be a quality web site. From that simple statement one cannot directly deduce that moderators must be anon or else cease to be mods.
Sometimes, the survival of the "fittest" as determined by certain artificially established rules is not what you really want. Ask Rob, he'll tell you. What he wants is for
Oh well, this is Rob's baby and there are bound to be growing pains.
your post rate a 2 and the one immediately before which says almost the same thing, even using the same words, and phasing only rates a 1?
I understand that a we'll have a bit of wildness as the mods play around with their newfound influence, but really, someone decided to mote your post up one notch and not the other for no apparent reason except personal favoritism.
and didn't find any of your previous posts with any score other than 1. Which one was it or what did you say?
Allow logged-on users to post as AC? Put a checkbox next to the submit button that says "Post Anon". That way, the posts can be anon, and untraceable by the rest of us and the user can still have "user" privledges like preferences.
Rob, as much as anything, geeks love numbers. Everyone is asking about this score level, or that, moderator this or that. How about this idea:
Give each moderator a public/permanent number and publish their stats. Show how many articles read or downloaded, how many voted up(with a list), how many down.
That way I can identify with a moderator or a few. I can look and see modXXX has voted these up, and I agree his opinion, so I bookmark his(her) up-list. After a couple of weeks of scouting out the mods, I won't even have to vist slashdot.org anymore, just the pre-read bookmarks. Or allow us to use the prefs to select from a list, include the threshold and say "show all articles voted up by mods x, y, and z and anything else that is above 3", or something like that.
Even if someone chose to go by the raw score, they could still look at the mod stats and see what each has been doing.
Next, let the readers rate a story. Perhaps it will have to be confined to logged-in users, but anyway, giving the story a simple +/- and the sum would be much more efficient than posting another "Jo* *atz is a gasbag" reply.
Finally, along with the current summary header that includes the number of articles, add how many up/downs there have been or perhaps an average score. 217/0.76 or something like that.
Someone did this for me just the other day. That is, they had /. send me an email containing my password. I wonder if they know that the IP of the requesting box is sent also, and that they are not on a dynamic IP address...
Moderate yourself!
Gnu tools are used everywhere.
Does anyone refer to GNU/Solaris? GNU/AIX? GNU/DU? Hell, I even have a copy of the Cygnus tools for win32 on this here NT box. Do I call it GNU/NT? No, no, no, and no. The os is typically named by the creator with whatever name they so choose. As it turns out even our beloved LT did not get his wish and the kernel was named by a sysadmin.
After that, the users choose. Have you _ever_ seen M$ refer to itself as M$? No, of course not.
I call it Linux. You can call it whatever you want.