You can bet your hind quarters that you'd best hope the Charlottesville police never find a legitimate reason to arrest you--cops and lawyers like power, and don't like people who outsmart them, right or wrong.
That's great. On one hand you say this kid is a jerk for abusing the court system and local cops, on the other you acknowledge the possibility of being railroaded as a personal vendetta by same.
So, are you an Anonymous Coward or an Anonymous Cop? Let me tell you, if you've never been harassed by cops as a kid you must have missed a bunch of kid-hood. Or maybe you're one of those people who had a kid and completely forgot what it's like to BE one.
Personally, when I hear curfew I hear Iron Curtain. It's just a means of control and a way to get away with stopping anyone they want. After all, they don't know your age until they've stopped you, right? By then they can sniff around and find some other excuse to harass you if you're the wrong color or economic class.
I have plenty of respect for cops; I have friends who are cops. But that doesn't prevent their buddies from terrorizing me anytime they want. I've been stopped for doing 2 miles UNDER the speed limit, just because it was quota night, and after all if you're drunk you might drive slowly. Yeah, and if you know a cop car is sitting there with the radar on you might drive slowly too!
Cop: Why were you driving under the speed limit?
Me: Because last time I drove OVER the speed limit you gave me a ticket!
Cop: So why'd you put your brakes on at the top of the hill?
Me: So I didn't get air going over it!
Then I was a wise-guy. It's not a far step from there to obstructing a police officer and a night in jail. Just for not "keeping your mouth shut".
I don't know about you, but I often use my brakes going down a hill. But he had some OTHER idea that I was trying to avoid him or something. By slowing down. Logic is not their strong point and the indivdual's civil rights are often quite beside the point.
Compared to the possible harm that the FBI with its weapons and authority COULD cause, but not actually does
Tell that to the Branch Davidians. The ones who aren't crunchy bits now.
I'm no militia-man, but the FBI has a lousy record of abusing their power, even when the director isn't a closet transvestite being blackmailed by the mob like J.Edgar Hoover was.
Do we really think Martin Luther King needed survellance? John Lennon? What people are saying here is yes, we trust them to a point because to some extent all their normal searches etc. happen in meatspace and there is physical evidence or photos of their survellance attempts, for instance of the demonstrators in Philly during the GOP. That's the whole problem - from now on there won't be any record except what's in Carnivore, and we know that'll be whitewashed beforehand if anyone actually gets to the point of trying to subpoena those logs.
And yes, I'm sure they might have actually stopped some bad people with the system already. The question is do you allow blanket searches on the entire 280M populace to catch 20 drug dealers and 10 pedophiles?
Being a good manager is very difficult, I never said it wasn't, and I know it's not necessarily a zero-sum game. The situation you're talking about is true to some extent. But I've worked for a lot of small companies, and (depending on how their profit-sharing is setup) if they cut somebody and still get the job done that money IS available to dole out at the end of the year. To them and the other guys still there. I've been told that, explicitly, so don't tell me it doesn't exist.
In large companies the situation is more complex, but let's face it, if you save the company $50k/yr in somebody's salary you may find an extra $10k in your bonus.
As far as holding my tongue, I think I'd have to hold my cynicism first: Attend a board meeting to ask about my manager's compensation? There are so many levels of management in the last big company I worked for that a good secretary can have an "assistant VP" title. You think they're going to stop conducting their huge multinational business to discuss some manager with me? Give me a break.
I guess I'm confused as to what the issue is with older "balding" workers having it so tough. Why would an employer want to fire his most experienced employees for a kid?
Why indeed! Yet they do, all the time. It's real simple - they can pay you less, so there's more in the kitty for the manager to take home. After all, if you can't do the job in the time allotted because it was optimistic by a factor of 3 you'll probably work all night. I'll say mangement didn't listen to our estimates and go home. Except in rare cases, you'll find that nice manager home in bed while you're still debugging his greatest project victory.
They can also pump you up with promises about the groovy new stuff you'll learn, projects you'll do etc., and not knowing any better you'll believe them. That hype becomes part of your pay. When you're around a bit longer, you realize how many of those promises are empty and stop working 60 hr weeks. They don't like older workers for the same reason the Army doesn't want 30 yr old recruits - the older guy will question their orders instead of blindly obey.
Actually there was no logic at all, fuzzy or otherwise. It was simply an observation. Like I said, it's apaprently not a license, it's a religion. That the KDE guys should "beg forgiveness"... sorry, he's just being ridiculous.
It would really help the case overall if people could be honest about the emperor's new clothes.
Seems to me the only people nitpicking about licenses are here. It's ironic that this place will probably inspire more people to be IP lawyers than programmers. I've seen exceedingly little discussion of code, but tons of finger wagging over the GPL and its usage. Quite boring, really. But then it seems more like a religion than anything else, and I'm not that into organized religions either.
I'm sorry, but you really need to address this to the guys in Congress and your own armies who need the military-industrial conspiracy to keep their careers going. Normal Americans couldn't give a flying rat's ass about South America and don't really care if their neighbor does a little coke, although at this point it's relatively passe in polite company.
Unfortunately it'll probably be the peasants who gets killed more than anyone, and unfortunately that's probably not you. You can blame everyone else for your troubles but if you had the backbone to get rid of the corrupt dictators that run your banana republics you might have a chance at a stable democracy. And it would help, if you want anyone to take you seriously, if you could drop the macho attitude which stereotypes Latin males as hot-headed assholes. Your people really deserve better; you could help by not being such an asshole yourself.
.... you wouldn't think the minimum is bad, because they'd pay you half of that if they could. I'm always amazed at people with plenty who want to be stingy with the people on the bottom of the ladder. And no, they can't all learn C code and make $100k.
Yeah, good thing Linux advocates don't repeat the "sell service and t-shirts instead" mantra when someone asks how you make money to pay the rent, cleverly ignoring the reality that most decent software doesn't NEED support and that people can only wear so many 'GIMP' T-shirts.
Really? I had to change auto insurance companies this year because the old one stopped doing business in NJ. It was a real pain. New photos of the car, fax the lease agreement, etc. etc.
I have an ISDN line and I don't mind letting others grab files while I'm pulling something down, but it depends on how they do it too. Somebody on a cable modem trying to download 10 songs simultaneously kills my bandwidth completely. If it's one or two, no problem.
Odds are he just forgot to type the "not" in front of "good faith", but you if complain about English mistakes from the editors here you'll usually get whacked by a moderator, even if the mistake utterly changes the meaning of the story.
Bitch bitch bitch. Well, why shouldn't he keep it for later use or sell it? I have a lot of ideas and don't have the resources to do them all today. That doesn't mean I won't someday, or couldn't tomorrow if I got some help in that area. If they got the name first, it's probably because they thought of it first (unless you couldn't afford the $70) so who are you to complain? What if you got it and we don't agree that your use is "serious" enough? I mean, maybe the other guy has good porn and you have lousy novels! Instead of bitching, if you're really good with words why not get creative and come up with a suitable variation like corbettsfreestories.com? That's available - I just checked! Now, that wasn't so hard, was it? pfffffffftttt
According to my buddy Tex at the bar last night, (as he lit up a butt) cigarettes are made to give people something to focus on when they're nervous. They kill (sometimes) as a side-effect.
Smokers really DO choose to smoke, y'know. I personally think it's a bad choice, but then I think jumping out of a perfectly good airplane is stupid too.
Hey, this isn't too surprising. Who do you think has more credibiity to a federal judge, a guy who runs a "hacker" mag or a bona fide university professor?
Welcome to planet earth my friend... I hope you enjoy your stay before returning to your home planet... wherever that may be.
Actually I dropped out of the Bermuda Triangle into Philadelphia in 1972, and writing code comes naturally to my people. I could tell you where I'm from, but then I'd have to kill you.
MS has been able to "draw" developers to their platform because they have about 90% (or whatever) marketshare. Developers like to be employed so they can get paid and the such, thus they tend develop for platforms where there are a lot of jobs available
Now yes, but those of us who actually lived through a time when MS was NOT necessarily the only game in town do remember choosing their development tools at least partly based on their own merits, although a lot of that was simply because they could (obviously) track the OS better. I realize this may be a difficult concept for some people to accept, but there it is. They kick ass in the corporate world because a ton of people can fire up VB and blast out an app that looks "professional" to Mr. Marketing Guy. They really do make it easy, and while that's not appreciated in many circles it IS appreciated by anyone just trying to get another job done by the end of the day. Because in the end, THAT is what we developers get paid for.
I'm sorry, but you're a twit. I've never taken to defending ESR before, but he is MOST ASSUREDLY better than the Chinese leadership. Yup. Fer sure. Not to say anything against your average person in China, I have the utmost respect for them and their history, but I'll take a gun-totin' libertarian anyday. In fact, the most significant effect of RMS (who I disagree with on MANY points) will be the "freeing" of software for China, India, and other such countries. It puts the pieces in place to totally demote the US as a major computer tech. source. As such, the GPL and RMS will be seen by history as one of the most major contributions to developing countries ever and/or the biggest act of sabotage to the Western economy ever.
I think I'll quite programming and go to chef school.
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You can bet your hind quarters that you'd best hope the Charlottesville police never find a legitimate reason to arrest you--cops and lawyers like power, and don't like people who outsmart them, right or wrong.
That's great. On one hand you say this kid is a jerk for abusing the court system and local cops, on the other you acknowledge the possibility of being railroaded as a personal vendetta by same.
So, are you an Anonymous Coward or an Anonymous Cop? Let me tell you, if you've never been harassed by cops as a kid you must have missed a bunch of kid-hood. Or maybe you're one of those people who had a kid and completely forgot what it's like to BE one.
Personally, when I hear curfew I hear Iron Curtain. It's just a means of control and a way to get away with stopping anyone they want. After all, they don't know your age until they've stopped you, right? By then they can sniff around and find some other excuse to harass you if you're the wrong color or economic class.
I have plenty of respect for cops; I have friends who are cops. But that doesn't prevent their buddies from terrorizing me anytime they want. I've been stopped for doing 2 miles UNDER the speed limit, just because it was quota night, and after all if you're drunk you might drive slowly. Yeah, and if you know a cop car is sitting there with the radar on you might drive slowly too!
Cop: Why were you driving under the speed limit?
Me: Because last time I drove OVER the speed limit you gave me a ticket!
Cop: So why'd you put your brakes on at the top of the hill?
Me: So I didn't get air going over it!
Then I was a wise-guy. It's not a far step from there to obstructing a police officer and a night in jail. Just for not "keeping your mouth shut".
I don't know about you, but I often use my brakes going down a hill. But he had some OTHER idea that I was trying to avoid him or something. By slowing down. Logic is not their strong point and the indivdual's civil rights are often quite beside the point.
Compared to the possible harm that the FBI with its weapons and authority COULD cause, but not actually does
Tell that to the Branch Davidians. The ones who aren't crunchy bits now.
I'm no militia-man, but the FBI has a lousy record of abusing their power, even when the director isn't a closet transvestite being blackmailed by the mob like J.Edgar Hoover was.
Do we really think Martin Luther King needed survellance? John Lennon? What people are saying here is yes, we trust them to a point because to some extent all their normal searches etc. happen in meatspace and there is physical evidence or photos of their survellance attempts, for instance of the demonstrators in Philly during the GOP. That's the whole problem - from now on there won't be any record except what's in Carnivore, and we know that'll be whitewashed beforehand if anyone actually gets to the point of trying to subpoena those logs.
And yes, I'm sure they might have actually stopped some bad people with the system already. The question is do you allow blanket searches on the entire 280M populace to catch 20 drug dealers and 10 pedophiles?
Being a good manager is very difficult, I never said it wasn't, and I know it's not necessarily a zero-sum game. The situation you're talking about is true to some extent. But I've worked for a lot of small companies, and (depending on how their profit-sharing is setup) if they cut somebody and still get the job done that money IS available to dole out at the end of the year. To them and the other guys still there. I've been told that, explicitly, so don't tell me it doesn't exist.
In large companies the situation is more complex, but let's face it, if you save the company $50k/yr in somebody's salary you may find an extra $10k in your bonus.
As far as holding my tongue, I think I'd have to hold my cynicism first: Attend a board meeting to ask about my manager's compensation? There are so many levels of management in the last big company I worked for that a good secretary can have an "assistant VP" title. You think they're going to stop conducting their huge multinational business to discuss some manager with me? Give me a break.
I guess I'm confused as to what the issue is with older "balding" workers having it so tough. Why would an employer want to fire his most experienced employees for a kid?
Why indeed! Yet they do, all the time. It's real simple - they can pay you less, so there's more in the kitty for the manager to take home. After all, if you can't do the job in the time allotted because it was optimistic by a factor of 3 you'll probably work all night. I'll say mangement didn't listen to our estimates and go home. Except in rare cases, you'll find that nice manager home in bed while you're still debugging his greatest project victory.
They can also pump you up with promises about the groovy new stuff you'll learn, projects you'll do etc., and not knowing any better you'll believe them. That hype becomes part of your pay. When you're around a bit longer, you realize how many of those promises are empty and stop working 60 hr weeks. They don't like older workers for the same reason the Army doesn't want 30 yr old recruits - the older guy will question their orders instead of blindly obey.
Actually there was no logic at all, fuzzy or otherwise. It was simply an observation. Like I said, it's apaprently not a license, it's a religion. That the KDE guys should "beg forgiveness"... sorry, he's just being ridiculous.
It would really help the case overall if people could be honest about the emperor's new clothes.
So, having an email account is now probable cause?
Seems to me the only people nitpicking about licenses are here. It's ironic that this place will probably inspire more people to be IP lawyers than programmers. I've seen exceedingly little discussion of code, but tons of finger wagging over the GPL and its usage. Quite boring, really. But then it seems more like a religion than anything else, and I'm not that into organized religions either.
Maybe, but I wish I had his 20 year old accomplishments on my resume. How about you? Invent anything comparable to Ethernet recently? Hmmm?
I'm sorry, but you really need to address this to the guys in Congress and your own armies who need the military-industrial conspiracy to keep their careers going. Normal Americans couldn't give a flying rat's ass about South America and don't really care if their neighbor does a little coke, although at this point it's relatively passe in polite company.
Unfortunately it'll probably be the peasants who gets killed more than anyone, and unfortunately that's probably not you. You can blame everyone else for your troubles but if you had the backbone to get rid of the corrupt dictators that run your banana republics you might have a chance at a stable democracy. And it would help, if you want anyone to take you seriously, if you could drop the macho attitude which stereotypes Latin males as hot-headed assholes. Your people really deserve better; you could help by not being such an asshole yourself.
.... you wouldn't think the minimum is bad, because they'd pay you half of that if they could. I'm always amazed at people with plenty who want to be stingy with the people on the bottom of the ladder. And no, they can't all learn C code and make $100k.
Yeah, good thing Linux advocates don't repeat the "sell service and t-shirts instead" mantra when someone asks how you make money to pay the rent, cleverly ignoring the reality that most decent software doesn't NEED support and that people can only wear so many 'GIMP' T-shirts.
Really? I had to change auto insurance companies this year because the old one stopped doing business in NJ. It was a real pain. New photos of the car, fax the lease agreement, etc. etc.
:-)
Guess it wasn't your company.
I have an ISDN line and I don't mind letting others grab files while I'm pulling something down, but it depends on how they do it too. Somebody on a cable modem trying to download 10 songs simultaneously kills my bandwidth completely. If it's one or two, no problem.
:-)
Moral: dont be greedy.
Thanks for fixing that up! Some things really just poke ya in the eye, y'know?
With all due respect to the good Cmdr Taco, it's a welcome change from his "I make spelling mistakes and I don't care." position.
Odds are he just forgot to type the "not" in front of "good faith", but you if complain about English mistakes from the editors here you'll usually get whacked by a moderator, even if the mistake utterly changes the meaning of the story.
Funny, you must be missing part of your reality simulator - the medical profession recommends you have two a day FOR YOUR HEALTH.
In MODERATION it's GOOD for you. But it's more fun to simplify and demonize. Let me guess, someone in your family is an alcholic?
Or are you just a free-lance do-gooder?
Excuse me, but who the hell are YOU talking to?
Libertarianism just means less nanny-state we-know-what's-good-for-you creeps like you can get well-meaning but repressive laws passed. (See DRUG WAR)
You know precisely NOTHING about the individuals you're ranting about. You're reacting to vapors, anecdotes and flames. Get a grip man!
Libertarians are more like fiscally responsible personal-responsibility-touting Republicans without the Baptist social mores.
I AM grown-up, asshole. Seems you're the one who needs to chill out.
Bitch bitch bitch. Well, why shouldn't he keep it for later use or sell it? I have a lot of ideas and don't have the resources to do them all today. That doesn't mean I won't someday, or couldn't tomorrow if I got some help in that area. If they got the name first, it's probably because they thought of it first (unless you couldn't afford the $70) so who are you to complain? What if you got it and we don't agree that your use is "serious" enough? I mean, maybe the other guy has good porn and you have lousy novels! Instead of bitching, if you're really good with words why not get creative and come up with a suitable variation like corbettsfreestories.com? That's available - I just checked! Now, that wasn't so hard, was it? pfffffffftttt
According to my buddy Tex at the bar last night, (as he lit up a butt) cigarettes are made to give people something to focus on when they're nervous. They kill (sometimes) as a side-effect.
Smokers really DO choose to smoke, y'know. I personally think it's a bad choice, but then I think jumping out of a perfectly good airplane is stupid too.
Hey, this isn't too surprising. Who do you think has more credibiity to a federal judge, a guy who runs a "hacker" mag or a bona fide university professor?
Well it's not that bad, it just turns out Florida is now wholly owned by the Cuban-American community and is no longer relevant to most Americans.
:-)
Something tells me if you asked them where DisneyWorld is you might have a better response.
Welcome to planet earth my friend... I hope you enjoy your stay before returning to your home planet... wherever that may be.
Actually I dropped out of the Bermuda Triangle into Philadelphia in 1972, and writing code comes naturally to my people. I could tell you where I'm from, but then I'd have to kill you.
MS has been able to "draw" developers to their platform because they have about 90% (or whatever) marketshare. Developers like to be employed so they can get paid and the such, thus they tend develop for platforms where there are a lot of jobs available
Now yes, but those of us who actually lived through a time when MS was NOT necessarily the only game in town do remember choosing their development tools at least partly based on their own merits, although a lot of that was simply because they could (obviously) track the OS better. I realize this may be a difficult concept for some people to accept, but there it is. They kick ass in the corporate world because a ton of people can fire up VB and blast out an app that looks "professional" to Mr. Marketing Guy. They really do make it easy, and while that's not appreciated in many circles it IS appreciated by anyone just trying to get another job done by the end of the day. Because in the end, THAT is what we developers get paid for.
Of all people, it may work for him. He's got enough rabid fans to cover that.
I know nothing.... I see NOTHING!!!!
I'm sorry, but you're a twit. I've never taken to defending ESR before, but he is MOST ASSUREDLY better than the Chinese leadership. Yup. Fer sure. Not to say anything against your average person in China, I have the utmost respect for them and their history, but I'll take a gun-totin' libertarian anyday. In fact, the most significant effect of RMS (who I disagree with on MANY points) will be the "freeing" of software for China, India, and other such countries. It puts the pieces in place to totally demote the US as a major computer tech. source. As such, the GPL and RMS will be seen by history as one of the most major contributions to developing countries ever and/or the biggest act of sabotage to the Western economy ever.
I think I'll quite programming and go to chef school.