quoting your interview which came out 14 days before we launched SourceForge:
" Bowie J. Poag: System 12 will be a resource stockpile for Linux application developers. For lack of a better buzzword, we don't really know what tocall it yet, but the basic premise is this: System 12 (hopefully) will do for Linux application development what Themes.org did for windowmanagers. We're going to be offering a series of free "component toolkits" for developers to include in their own work. In exchange for using our work, we will be offering them free hosting space on our server so they can showcase their work to the community.
The component toolkits themselves are organized according to what kind of material they are. For example, on any particular day, we may release a "Generic Verbal Clock Toolkit" -- a collection of sound samples: a recording of someone saying the words "One" , "Two", "Three", "AM", "PM", etc. So if you wanted to build a clock applet for Linux which announced the time on command, you'd download this kit, write your code, and release it. "Four" "Twenty" "Two" "PM".
We will be manufacturing these kits in-house, and making them freely available to the public. All sorts of things, not just sound, but graphics, fonts, lots of stuff.
System12 is currently under construction. There's a lot of other stuff I really can't discuss yet, but that's the main function of the project -- to allow Linux developers to increase the quality of their work, and make ourselves an integral part of what it means to develop applications for Linux as a whole. "
at that point in the Game SourceForge was past the point of "Under Construction". We were putting the finishing touches on what we released on November 17th. If you think that we built SourceForge from scratch within those 14 days then your deluded.
As for not touching a computer during the month of November because you were recuperating ? Have you forgotten the conversations we had on IRC during that time ? I know several people here that participated in those conversations with you. Or some fascimile of you I guess.
Bowie, Not the same thing as System12. No where close from the talks that you and I had back in November when I was trying to get you a job at VA. You told me that that System12 was to be an online repository of GTK & KDE Widgets. You mentioned hosting but were unsure of how to do it or what you'd offer. And it was nowhere near the scale that SourceForge was planning on offering. One other thing to note was that at no point in the design and implementation of SourceForge was Trae ever consulted.
Also in November the talks were initiated by me to see if there was enough common ground to merge the 2 sites together. Needless to say that never happened. In regards to System12 shutting down that was initiated by you and you alone. VA gave you the server and the bandwith to continue on and yet you still shut it down.
We apoligize for the PHP errors your receiving. We decided on Tuesday afternoon of this week to release the code today and have spent the time since then just cleaning up the code and trying to ensure that it met the standards of the Practice-Software-Release-HOWTO. If you can document your specific problems we can probably help you out. Send the reports to admin@sourceforge.net
The usefulness of the site is in the resources being offered. We are in a constant development cycle to continue the feature set of the site and decided to release the code to reaffirm our commitment to practicing the Open Source Philosophy. We also viewed this as a way for the community to help shape future direction of SourceForge
Windows Developers can use SourceForge. As a matter of fact approximately 312 of the 994 hosted projects run on Windows. The SourceForge code runs on linux but SourceForge is about Open Source.
There was no "acquiring" of SourceForge. We built SourceForge built on what we felt was a "missing element" within the community. We came to the conclusion that if we could reduce the number of obstacles in front of an Open Source Developer and provide him or her a place to work on that project without those obstacles then the community would see a greater range of open source applications being developed at an accelerated pace. That would only benefit the community.
I can only answer the sourceforge question as I work on it daily.
SourceForge will continue to be supported. We have no plans whatsoever of allowing it to disappear. As for what happens to SourceForge should VA have problems ? No clue other than this: VA has always tried to do whats right for the community and will continue to do so. If something should happen to VA and they can no longer continue to provide support for SourceForge, I for one will be pushing hard to release it back to the community in it's existing state and let the community run it through some type of Advisory board. But thats just my 0.02
True enough but one of the key ingredients to making Open Source work is "Release Often". I've also heard that 6.2 is to be released shortly after this one.
I agree with you...the design appears to remain pretty much the same as the old iMac but with the hardware upgrade they should perform a bit better. My question to Apple is why not release a G4 version of the iMac ? Now that I would buy.
For the most I have to agree with you...personally I never cared much for Jobs and I did not think that his return to Apple was going to do much for the Company. They have managed to answer to customer's needs and even though they got an influx of cash from M$ a couple of years back they don't seem to be "Slaves to Redmond".
But the real question is: "Is Apple's success due to Job's return or to finally listening to consumers or does the answer fall somewhere inbetween ?"
One of the problems that Java had was that it never lived up to it's initial hype. Linux on the other hand started out slowly and has been progressing forward ever since. Linux will continue to improve and while Java will get better as well it has alot of catching up to do if it's to live up to it's expectations.
As someone who "stupidly writes free software" and who co-founded a software company who "writes real (non OSS) software I found your comments both humorous and displaying a certain lack of maturity.
You state "By (stupidly, imho) writing free software, you have to take the good with the bad." I'll assume that you mean that there are some good free software and some bad free software. Well welcome to the real world. Indeed there are both good and bad free software packages out there but guess what ?? This phenomenom isn't limited to Open Source Software, it can be found in many "real (non OSS) software applications". I guess that you've never really used a computer for a long time (5+ years) or you would've run across this phenomenom several years ago.
Just my 2 cents.... ================================================ == If it was easy to understand they wouldn't call it code. --anonymous ================================================ ==
I have a 4 Processor Pentium Pro w/256 MBs of RAM and 24GBs of HDD just sitiing around. It has Redhat 5.2 installed. Will make it available if there is a better way to do the Linux Counter.
Slashdot Mirror
How is that rated a -1 (troll) ?? This is someone who is stating his opinion. This isn't a troll comment.. Period.
Mirror Site:
a t/redhat/redhat-6.2beta/
ftp://download.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/redh
quoting your interview which came out 14 days before we launched SourceForge:
" Bowie J. Poag: System 12 will be a resource stockpile for Linux application developers. For lack of a better buzzword, we don't really know what tocall it yet, but the basic premise is this: System 12 (hopefully) will do for Linux application development what Themes.org did for windowmanagers. We're going to be offering a series of free "component toolkits" for developers to include in their own work. In exchange for using our work, we will be offering them free hosting space on our server so they can showcase their work to the community.
The component toolkits themselves are organized according to what kind of material they are. For example, on any particular day, we may release a
"Generic Verbal Clock Toolkit" -- a collection of sound samples: a recording of someone saying the words "One" , "Two", "Three", "AM", "PM", etc.
So if you wanted to build a clock applet for Linux which announced the time on command, you'd download this kit, write your code, and release it. "Four" "Twenty" "Two" "PM".
We will be manufacturing these kits in-house, and making them freely available to the public. All sorts of things, not just sound, but graphics, fonts, lots of stuff.
System12 is currently under construction. There's a lot of other stuff I really can't discuss yet, but that's the main function of the project -- to allow Linux developers to increase the quality of their work, and make ourselves an integral part of what it means to develop applications for Linux as a whole. "
at that point in the Game SourceForge was past the point of "Under Construction". We were putting the finishing touches on what we released on November 17th. If you think that we built SourceForge from scratch within those 14 days then your deluded.
As for not touching a computer during the month of November because you were recuperating ? Have you forgotten the conversations we had on IRC during that time ? I know several people here that participated in those conversations with you. Or some fascimile of you I guess.
Bowie,
.02
Not the same thing as System12. No where close from the talks that you and I had back in November when I was trying to get you a job at VA. You told me that that System12 was to be an online repository of GTK & KDE Widgets. You mentioned hosting but were unsure of how to do it or what you'd offer. And it was nowhere near the scale that SourceForge was planning on offering. One other thing to note was that at no point in the design and implementation of SourceForge was Trae ever consulted.
Also in November the talks were initiated by me to see if there was enough common ground to merge the 2 sites together. Needless to say that never happened. In regards to System12 shutting down that was initiated by you and you alone. VA gave you the server and the bandwith to continue on and yet you still shut it down.
just my
-t
SourceForge is not using majordomo. We are using GNU Mailman to manage our mailing lists. For more info goto http://www.lists.org
email me direct with your contact info and I'll see if we can burn a few cycles to help you out.
We apoligize for the PHP errors your receiving. We decided on Tuesday afternoon of this week to release the code today and have spent the time since then just cleaning up the code and trying to ensure that it met the standards of the Practice-Software-Release-HOWTO. If you can document your specific problems we can probably help you out. Send the reports to admin@sourceforge.net
The usefulness of the site is in the resources being offered. We are in a constant development cycle to continue the feature set of the site and decided to release the code to reaffirm our commitment to practicing the Open Source Philosophy. We also viewed this as a way for the community to help shape future direction of SourceForge
Marty,
Thanks for the compliments. We appreciate them and will continue to work hard for the community.
Windows Developers can use SourceForge. As a matter of fact approximately 312 of the 994 hosted projects run on Windows. The SourceForge code runs on linux but SourceForge is about Open Source.
There was no "acquiring" of SourceForge. We built SourceForge built on what we felt was a "missing element" within the community. We came to the conclusion that if we could reduce the number of obstacles in front of an Open Source Developer and provide him or her a place to work on that project without those obstacles then the community would see a greater range of open source applications being developed at an accelerated pace. That would only benefit the community.
I can only answer the sourceforge question as I work on it daily.
SourceForge will continue to be supported. We have no plans whatsoever of allowing it to disappear. As for what happens to SourceForge should VA have problems ? No clue other than this: VA has always tried to do whats right for the community and will continue to do so. If something should happen to VA and they can no longer continue to provide support for SourceForge, I for one will be pushing hard to release it back to the community in it's existing state and let the community run it through some type of Advisory board.
But thats just my 0.02
True enough but one of the key ingredients to making Open Source work is "Release Often".
I've also heard that 6.2 is to be released shortly after this one.
This is a good thing. It looks as though SuSE may be forcing Redhat to release versions more frequently which only benefits the community.
I agree with you...the design appears to remain pretty much the same
as the old iMac but with the hardware upgrade they should perform a bit
better. My question to Apple is why not release a G4 version of the iMac ? Now that I would buy.
one classification above Top Secret per se
would be "Top Secret - CNWDI" which stands
for "Critical Nuclear Weapons Design Information".
For the most I have to agree with you...personally I never cared much for Jobs and I did not think that his return to Apple was going to do much for the Company. They have managed to answer to customer's needs and even though they got an influx of cash from M$ a couple of years back they don't seem to be "Slaves to Redmond".
But the real question is: "Is Apple's success due to Job's return or to finally listening to consumers or does the answer fall somewhere inbetween ?"
One of the problems that Java had was that it never lived up to it's initial hype. Linux on the other hand started out slowly and has been progressing forward ever since.
Linux will continue to improve and while Java will get better as well it has alot of catching up to do if it's to live up to it's expectations.
-tg
I don't know if this will help you but these are
/usr/X11R6 /usr/X11R6/old
/usr/X11R6/old/lib/libXt.so.6.0 /usr/X11R6/lib/
the steps that I took to get it to compile on my system (gcc-2.91.66).
Make a backup of your old stuff
cp -a
Copy the xc/config/cf/xf86site.def to
xc/config/cf/host.def
Append the lines:
#define DefaultCCOptions -Wall
#define DefaultGcc2i386Opt -O2
#define LibraryCDebugFlags -O2
to the host.def to override the -ansi -pedantic flags which prevent it from being compiled on Redhat 6.0.
Then build/compile Xfree
make World >& world.log
make install >& install.log
make install.man >& man.log
After completion make sure you copy your old libXt.so.6.0 to the new location so that Netscape
will work properly.
cp
Like I said....that worked for me...unsure if it will work for you.
I don't know if this will help you but these are
/usr/X11R6 /usr/X11R6/old
/usr/X11R6/old/lib/libXt.so.6.0 /usr/X11R6/lib/
the steps that I took to get it to compile on my system (gcc-2.91.66).
Make a backup of your old stuff
cp -a
Copy the xc/config/cf/xf86site.def to
xc/config/cf/host.def
Append the lines:
#define DefaultCCOptions -Wall
#define DefaultGcc2i386Opt -O2
#define LibraryCDebugFlags -O2
to the host.def to override the -ansi -pedantic flags which prevent it from being compiled on Redhat 6.0.
Then build/compile Xfree
make World >& world.log
make install >& install.log
make install.man >& man.log
After completion make sure you copy your old libXt.so.6.0 to the new location so that Netscape
will work properly.
cp
Like I said....that worked for me...unsure if it will work for you.
I have seen 3.9.15 running on a G400 with multihead support.
:)
Sam ?? Is this you Sammy ?
As someone who "stupidly writes free software" and
= == = ==
who co-founded a software company who "writes real
(non OSS) software I found your comments both
humorous and displaying a certain lack of
maturity.
You state "By (stupidly, imho) writing free software, you have to take the good with the bad." I'll assume that you mean that there are some good free software and some bad free software. Well
welcome to the real world. Indeed there are both
good and bad free software packages out there but
guess what ?? This phenomenom isn't limited to
Open Source Software, it can be found in many
"real (non OSS) software applications". I guess
that you've never really used a computer for a
long time (5+ years) or you would've run across
this phenomenom several years ago.
Just my 2 cents....
===============================================
If it was easy to understand they wouldn't call it
code. --anonymous
===============================================
I have a 4 Processor Pentium Pro w/256 MBs of RAM and 24GBs of HDD just sitiing around. It has Redhat 5.2 installed. Will make it available if there is a better way to do the Linux Counter.