Gee, Opteron is MUCH less expensive, performs better, runs up to 8-way with off the shelf components and runs your 32-bit x86 code twice as fast and absolutely compatibly. Let me think about this...;-)
Clearly, with its low cost, comparable performance, and ease of porting 32-bit programs, AMD's Opteron is going to cut into Intel's Itanium sales.
The real question is: what Itanium sales?
I assume that AMD isn't just positioning the Opteron as an alternative to the Itanium, but also as a "power user" chip, aimed at a slightly more general audience (e.g. video editing, CAD, scientific applications).
Hmmm..... so you literally worshipped that CD, eh? Can you share your philosophy and rituals (human sacrifices perhaps?) with the rest of us? Can your CD perform miracles? Perhaps turning water into Mountain Dew? Those of us seeking guidance thank you!
He worshipped the shiny side, and the mighty deity whose image he saw in it.
Jeeze man, video editing exists on all platforms, just because you haven't heard of a certain linux editor, doesn't mean nobody edits movies.
Okay then, how many computer users edit movies?
My point is still valid. If you're going to argue that people should care about 1Ghz+ CPUs, then you really need to come up with a task which more than about 1% of the population does. Big CPUs are great for MATLAB, SPSS and other scientific software as well, but that doesn't mean that 99% of the populace cares.
The fact that you came up with an obscure movie editor as an example is just icing on the cake. Perhaps iMovie doesn't need a 1Ghz CPU?
Try running Cinelerra [heroinewarrior.com] on a 1Ghz.
Anyone ever heard of this "Cinelerra" thing? No? Not even hardcore geeks have heard of it, much less the average joe? That's not much of an argument for faster CPUs.
I believe the 85C rating is the die temperature. My crappy motherboard measures the temperature underneath the CPU. I believe you are supposed to add around 15-20 degrees to that temp to get your real temperature.
There's a difference between a guy working for a living, and a guy who sits on welfare, eats prime rib everyday, drives a BMW, and has a big-screen TV.
I call bullshit. Facts about welfare [cossa.org]. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that you have sincere compassion for the disadvantaged. Why then would you make outlandish claims which are clearly not the mean of the people on welfare? I'd argue, though without anything to back it up with at this moment, that people like that are at least 2 standard deviations out from the mean.
He saw that other guy make outlandish claims about politics (the California deficit) and get modded up (+1, Libertarian?), so he decided to follow suit?
As long as they're only claiming that they can get stuff into space, I'm inclined to believe them. All you need for that is a powerful rocket and some good mathematicians. But when some random rich guy claims that he can bring stuff back safely when even NASA is having problems with that... that's when I stop buying it.
His last option, put forth just as seriously and fully as the rest, included the cost of having a team of monks write out the data by hand onto reams of paper, bit-by-bit. Then for recovery, the monks would re-enter the data back into the computer, bit-by-bit. On the pro side he argued that monks work cheap and are very dedicated to what they do. But the con was the time involved for this method was somewhat prohibitive.;)
Lemme guess, "monk" is Professor-speak for "graduate student", isn't it?
If Apple starts producing AMD based systems, which I doubt will happen, don't expect an open architecture. You can bet that there will be proprietary elements to the platform and OS/X won't run on commodity x86 hardware.
It would be interesting to see what those "proprietary elements" are. There isn't much that's proprietary about current Macs, right? (I could be wrong about this). Basically they're stock memory, hard drives, etc. with a Motorola CPU (Okay, the DVI output is unique, but that's about it, I think). Anyway, If you change the CPU, then what's so proprietary about them that it could prevent an OS running on that hardware from running on other hardware? Most differences (like that DVI port) could be fixed by a properly coded driver, couldn't they?
It doesn't say in the article what they compared. Many (most?) cable companies offer one speed plan, whereas many (most?) DSL companies offer several speed plans.
Bingo. They're probably comparing the fastest speed that cable can get with DSL (artificially) capped at 608Kb/s down or so.
When I had a 128/608 plan (128Kb/s upload, 608Kb/s download), I got 60K/s downloads. When I upgraded to 1.5Mb down, I got 160K/s. If I went to 3.0Mb down (available some some providers) with an appropriate up speed I would probably get 320K/s. But if most people have 128/608 plans, then the "average" DSL speed is more like 60K, even if 320K is possible. Even worse, all those gamers with ultra low-ping 128Kb-both-ways SDSL are really lowering the average.
Record sales are supposedly down but that can't be blamed entirely on internet piracy. CD prices are up and quality is down as well.
Not to mention the economy. I can't believe that nobody ever mentions this. So CD sales have sucked since about 09/11/2001... How have sales of everything else (especially non-necessities) been doing?
By which, of course, I mean "four" (or three sinners would take in "two" days, depending on how the question is asked). Needless to say, I'm a lousy C programmer.:)
Then he realized that he had presented the problem somewhat incorrectly and grudgingly said, "Well I guess you get that right, since I didn't explain the problem completely."...Needless to say I was not called back for a second interview.
I don't doubt it. I have heard of a similar MS question involving sinners with marks on their foreheads (or some variation on this).
The correct answer is supposed to be three. I remember reading an interview in which an interviewee got this question correct. Note however that there is no reason to start counting at 1. Why didn't people start noticing the marks on the day when they were put there? The real answer should be two.
Needless to say, I suspect that this is how MS hires C programmers...
Note: the "sarcasm" quotes around that last sentence got lopped off. My bad. Hopefully people will figure it out.
Also, I forgot to mention that in the late 1800s, personal machineguns didn't exist. You know, those weapons which African dictators arm their militias with? That's a pretty major difference.
Poor sanitation, disease, and civil war. United States, late 19th century. What did we do to overcome these problems? Did an international outreach of concerned Europeans build sewers and hospitals for us? Did English peacekeepers prevent the savagery of our civil war?
We tapped our natural resources. We poured money into our industrial infrastructure. We started founding state universities.
The reason the government doesn't like phrases like "sex workers", "anal sex" and "men who sleep with men" is because they indicate that AIDS discriminates, which is not what the government would like you to believe. If people stopped doing the things that spread AIDS (it's not exactly airborne), it would eventually go away. Consequently, politicians and activist groups would lose a manipulation tool to siphon tax dollars away from issues that are a lot less preventable and affect more people.
First of all, while it is true that anyone can get AIDS, that doesn't mean that every person is equally likely to get it. As with anything else, some groups are more likely than others (it's called being an "at risk" group). Amazingly, money and effort tend to focus on those people who are in the greatest danger (spending the most money on help for those who need the most help... what a concept!)
Second, one thing which nobody here seems to realize is that if you look at too large of a population all at once, then demographic variables tend to become a problem (they become "nusiance" variables). In general, individuals who participate in research studies are assigned to groups (e.g. HIV+ vs. HIV-, male vs. female, or randomly assigned treatment conditions). Demographic variables such as age are generally controlled between groups as best possible. However, if you study "everybody", then there may be a huge number of variables which potentially need to be controlled. In the case of an AIDS study, sexual preference, age, gender, education, drug use history, geographic location (for many large studies), and even ethnicity may all influence an individual's data. Thus it is often a good idea to work with a subgroup of the population, if only to eliminate as many potential confounds as possible! If you can work with an "at risk" subgroup, even better.
Hmmm... that came across sounding harsher than intended. Sorry about that.
Still, even though I agree with the conclusion of the parent post, I also think that there's something to my point. 20GB isn't top-of-the-line capacity for either hard drives or tape drives, and older hardware often goes up in price before going down (compare SDRAM vs. DDR at Crucial, for example). So right away I'm inclined to think that there's something odd about this comparison.
The funny thing is, if anything, the grandparent post is too nice to tape drives. I can't find that tape drive for just $120 anywhere, and hard drives can definitely be had for a lower cost per GB.
You realize that if you blatantly manipulate your statistics, people won't believe you.
Yes, there is a 20GB hard drive at NewEgg for $63. There's also a 40GB drive for $59. The sizes which most people want (80GB or so) are still under $100. For example, an 80GB Western Digital 7200 rpm 8MB cache drive is presently $89 there.
Your point may be right, or it may be wrong, but I'm inclined to stop reading your post as of that line.
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Gee, Opteron is MUCH less expensive, performs better, runs up to 8-way with off the shelf components and runs your 32-bit x86 code twice as fast and absolutely compatibly. Let me think about this... ;-)
Clearly, with its low cost, comparable performance, and ease of porting 32-bit programs, AMD's Opteron is going to cut into Intel's Itanium sales.
The real question is: what Itanium sales?
I assume that AMD isn't just positioning the Opteron as an alternative to the Itanium, but also as a "power user" chip, aimed at a slightly more general audience (e.g. video editing, CAD, scientific applications).
Hmmm..... so you literally worshipped that CD, eh? Can you share your philosophy and rituals (human sacrifices perhaps?) with the rest of us? Can your CD perform miracles? Perhaps turning water into Mountain Dew? Those of us seeking guidance thank you!
He worshipped the shiny side, and the mighty deity whose image he saw in it.
Jeeze man, video editing exists on all platforms, just because you haven't heard of a certain linux editor, doesn't mean nobody edits movies.
Okay then, how many computer users edit movies?
My point is still valid. If you're going to argue that people should care about 1Ghz+ CPUs, then you really need to come up with a task which more than about 1% of the population does. Big CPUs are great for MATLAB, SPSS and other scientific software as well, but that doesn't mean that 99% of the populace cares.
The fact that you came up with an obscure movie editor as an example is just icing on the cake. Perhaps iMovie doesn't need a 1Ghz CPU?
Try running Cinelerra [heroinewarrior.com] on a 1Ghz.
Anyone ever heard of this "Cinelerra" thing? No? Not even hardcore geeks have heard of it, much less the average joe? That's not much of an argument for faster CPUs.
Ah, yes but there lies my problem. I have Vantec stealth fan, undervolted to decrease noise.
You think a Vantec stealth fan sounds "like a jet engine"? It's not whisper quiet, but seriously, it's not very loud either.
I believe the 85C rating is the die temperature. My crappy motherboard measures the temperature underneath the CPU. I believe you are supposed to add around 15-20 degrees to that temp to get your real temperature.
You're supposed to add 15-20 degrees Fahrenheight! That's 6-8 degrees Centigrade.
Not quite ready for Hollywood, but the scientific and engineering communities have some obvious uses for it already...
Which is to say, the people who designed it plan to make money off of it.
There's a difference between a guy working for a living, and a guy who sits on welfare, eats prime rib everyday, drives a BMW, and has a big-screen TV.
I call bullshit. Facts about welfare [cossa.org]. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that you have sincere compassion for the disadvantaged. Why then would you make outlandish claims which are clearly not the mean of the people on welfare? I'd argue, though without anything to back it up with at this moment, that people like that are at least 2 standard deviations out from the mean.
He saw that other guy make outlandish claims about politics (the California deficit) and get modded up (+1, Libertarian?), so he decided to follow suit?
Why the hell do they think that they have any business messing with product warranties? Its crap like this that adds up to a $30+ billion deficit...
Before the energy crisis California had a large surplus ($14 billion). After, California had a very large deficit. Any questions?
Not that 9/11 helped any either, of course.
On a related note, how in the world could a law about product warranties affect California's financial situation?
Also, Michael Mooor is a dumbass, and he has his math backwards. The more scared we are, the less we consume.
On the other hand, I hear that duct tape sales have been doing well...
"Flying is easy... it's the landing that's hard."
As long as they're only claiming that they can get stuff into space, I'm inclined to believe them. All you need for that is a powerful rocket and some good mathematicians. But when some random rich guy claims that he can bring stuff back safely when even NASA is having problems with that... that's when I stop buying it.
I believe it to be the only web site that claims the infinite is possible.
I dunno. Is WorldCom's budget for the last few years on the web anywhere?
My guess would be that whole 30 frames/sec thing. :)
I would guess that the problem was this part:
The price will start around $2500-$3500.
Until it could be done at a low enough price point for Circuit City to carry them, it wasn't going to be done.
His last option, put forth just as seriously and fully as the rest, included the cost of having a team of monks write out the data by hand onto reams of paper, bit-by-bit. Then for recovery, the monks would re-enter the data back into the computer, bit-by-bit. On the pro side he argued that monks work cheap and are very dedicated to what they do. But the con was the time involved for this method was somewhat prohibitive. ;)
Lemme guess, "monk" is Professor-speak for "graduate student", isn't it?
If Apple starts producing AMD based systems, which I doubt will happen, don't expect an open architecture. You can bet that there will be proprietary elements to the platform and OS/X won't run on commodity x86 hardware.
It would be interesting to see what those "proprietary elements" are. There isn't much that's proprietary about current Macs, right? (I could be wrong about this). Basically they're stock memory, hard drives, etc. with a Motorola CPU (Okay, the DVI output is unique, but that's about it, I think). Anyway, If you change the CPU, then what's so proprietary about them that it could prevent an OS running on that hardware from running on other hardware? Most differences (like that DVI port) could be fixed by a properly coded driver, couldn't they?
It doesn't say in the article what they compared. Many (most?) cable companies offer one speed plan, whereas many (most?) DSL companies offer several speed plans.
Bingo. They're probably comparing the fastest speed that cable can get with DSL (artificially) capped at 608Kb/s down or so.
When I had a 128/608 plan (128Kb/s upload, 608Kb/s download), I got 60K/s downloads. When I upgraded to 1.5Mb down, I got 160K/s. If I went to 3.0Mb down (available some some providers) with an appropriate up speed I would probably get 320K/s. But if most people have 128/608 plans, then the "average" DSL speed is more like 60K, even if 320K is possible. Even worse, all those gamers with ultra low-ping 128Kb-both-ways SDSL are really lowering the average.
Record sales are supposedly down but that can't be blamed entirely on internet piracy. CD prices are up and quality is down as well.
Not to mention the economy. I can't believe that nobody ever mentions this. So CD sales have sucked since about 09/11/2001... How have sales of everything else (especially non-necessities) been doing?
The real answer should be two.
:)
By which, of course, I mean "four" (or three sinners would take in "two" days, depending on how the question is asked). Needless to say, I'm a lousy C programmer.
Then he realized that he had presented the problem somewhat incorrectly and grudgingly said, "Well I guess you get that right, since I didn't explain the problem completely." ...Needless to say I was not called back for a second interview.
I don't doubt it. I have heard of a similar MS question involving sinners with marks on their foreheads (or some variation on this).
The correct answer is supposed to be three. I remember reading an interview in which an interviewee got this question correct. Note however that there is no reason to start counting at 1. Why didn't people start noticing the marks on the day when they were put there? The real answer should be two.
Needless to say, I suspect that this is how MS hires C programmers...
Note: the "sarcasm" quotes around that last sentence got lopped off. My bad. Hopefully people will figure it out.
Also, I forgot to mention that in the late 1800s, personal machineguns didn't exist. You know, those weapons which African dictators arm their militias with? That's a pretty major difference.
Poor sanitation, disease, and civil war. United States, late 19th century. What did we do to overcome these problems? Did an international outreach of concerned Europeans build sewers and hospitals for us? Did English peacekeepers prevent the savagery of our civil war?
We tapped our natural resources. We poured money into our industrial infrastructure. We started founding state universities.
Now, why don't those sill Africans just do that?
What happened to his old trailer? Was it just a plain aluminum job like the kind old people tow to Florida?
Yer' just askin' for a "Hulk Smash" joke there...
The reason the government doesn't like phrases like "sex workers", "anal sex" and "men who sleep with men" is because they indicate that AIDS discriminates, which is not what the government would like you to believe. If people stopped doing the things that spread AIDS (it's not exactly airborne), it would eventually go away. Consequently, politicians and activist groups would lose a manipulation tool to siphon tax dollars away from issues that are a lot less preventable and affect more people.
First of all, while it is true that anyone can get AIDS, that doesn't mean that every person is equally likely to get it. As with anything else, some groups are more likely than others (it's called being an "at risk" group). Amazingly, money and effort tend to focus on those people who are in the greatest danger (spending the most money on help for those who need the most help... what a concept!)
Second, one thing which nobody here seems to realize is that if you look at too large of a population all at once, then demographic variables tend to become a problem (they become "nusiance" variables). In general, individuals who participate in research studies are assigned to groups (e.g. HIV+ vs. HIV-, male vs. female, or randomly assigned treatment conditions). Demographic variables such as age are generally controlled between groups as best possible. However, if you study "everybody", then there may be a huge number of variables which potentially need to be controlled. In the case of an AIDS study, sexual preference, age, gender, education, drug use history, geographic location (for many large studies), and even ethnicity may all influence an individual's data. Thus it is often a good idea to work with a subgroup of the population, if only to eliminate as many potential confounds as possible! If you can work with an "at risk" subgroup, even better.
Hmmm... that came across sounding harsher than intended. Sorry about that.
Still, even though I agree with the conclusion of the parent post, I also think that there's something to my point. 20GB isn't top-of-the-line capacity for either hard drives or tape drives, and older hardware often goes up in price before going down (compare SDRAM vs. DDR at Crucial, for example). So right away I'm inclined to think that there's something odd about this comparison.
The funny thing is, if anything, the grandparent post is too nice to tape drives. I can't find that tape drive for just $120 anywhere, and hard drives can definitely be had for a lower cost per GB.
Compared, Western Digital 20 GB, $63.
You realize that if you blatantly manipulate your statistics, people won't believe you.
Yes, there is a 20GB hard drive at NewEgg for $63. There's also a 40GB drive for $59. The sizes which most people want (80GB or so) are still under $100. For example, an 80GB Western Digital 7200 rpm 8MB cache drive is presently $89 there.
Your point may be right, or it may be wrong, but I'm inclined to stop reading your post as of that line.