I think that if you were on the Mozilla project, and said, I contributed to this fine software, I was wondering if you'd like to carry it in your store, that that would be a swaying argument.
I think that if you were a consumer, purchasing computer equipment, and asked if they had the item, and you said you'd like to buy it, then they would probably listen.
If you said "my goodness, it appears that you're not carrying open source software... I don't want any today, but I think that you should carry it," that you'll sound pushy, no matter what you do, and that you're more likely to drive store owners away from this.
Seriously, did you change faiths last time someone came around your neighborhood asking you to do so?
Let him go DigiShaman... he is like the wild liberal moron, who wants to have the world handed to him with no labor.
No, he is a noble creature. I humbly hand him my paycheck so he may drop out of work, play video games all day, do drugs, and make more people just like himself.
Obviously you've never seen an episode of Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. Carson will be about there whipping those cable layers into shape in no time, and they'll be done in an afternoon.
It's the same discussion that you invariably end up with someone who knows exactly one programming language.
Ever get in a chat with someone who programs everything in perl? Goodness, they want to write OS's and compilers and this and that... and say that all they need is a good PM to do it.
There is a scenario where someone who sends you an unsolicited advertisement would be able to do so so stealthily that you don't recognize what they are doing?
My understanding is that people at MS have had difficulty doing a number of operating system "things" in.NET
This is no shocker to anybody whose done any extensive.NET development... it's pretty nice for some things, but others are just impossible.
Have you for instance: 1) Written a device driver 2) Written memory management 3) Manually changed context
Now, you may say "oh, but that's all automagic," which is where you are wrong. If you are writing an OS, you need to do these things. Developers on MS have been trying to use.NET as much as possible, but sometimes have used C++ out of necessity.
Not only should it not be surprising, but MS shouldn't be picking up any flack over it. Really, it is quite discrediting to the free software community to brow-beat MS over every move that they make. If you are going to have a pricipal, you really need to apply it with an even hand.
This comment wasn't directed entirely at the parent. Honestly, I see mostly MS users here discussing this... which is also an interesting commentary on Free Software.
Wait 10 years, and all of the problems facing you to do this today will be solved... unfortunately, a new batch of problems will have arisen.
Intermission:
I think that we've just settled that your position is one in which you can't really hope to satisfy certain clients... lets hope your CEO is a very cool guy... here's what you do.
Answer 2) 1) KVM via IP. Everyone who wants to click into your system gets linked into KVM via IP over a VPN running connecting your virtual conference room. Too bad it isn't 10 years from now, otherwise, notebooks would come with a feature vaguely similar to this already. Too bad you have to accomodate a mixture of platforms, or I could suggest a different solution.
If you want a solution that is kind of a pain in the ass, we used to do something similar with RealVNC. I think that the KVM via IP solution will be easier, but expensive to support bandwidth-wise. Since it's your CEO, depending on the size of your company, you might be able to afford it. If not, scrap the idea altogether of having visitors pop their displays up, which is what you really want.
2) Teleconferencing solution. Get a COTS teleconferencing solution. Don't fool yourself. Putting one together will be more of a pain in the ass than it's worth.
3) Files openning magically... Set up a really nice fileserver that people reliably use... Now, here's the shitty part... whenever there is a problem, fix it. If you incrementally fix the mime-types and their associations, your boss will be able to do this. Your boss will need to be understanding, you'll need to be on hand, but, eventually, you'll get a system that is fairly glitch free.
4) Suggestion box. When this is all done, realize that what you have done isn't very good... but what you are doing is good. Encourage everyone to submit suggestions, but persue the CEO's suggestions first. Don't throw away suggestions that don't sound important unless they really sound detrimental (or over budget, probably not the case if it's the CEO). Keep improving the place, and it will keep your CEO happy.
5) Keep improving. This ties into the last one. Keeping improving doesn't just mean the technology. You need a budget to put nice stuff in this room. If the room feels nice, your boss will appreciate it. Get good looking stuff, put it in a good looking space.
Actually, I think that he wanted you to run a t-test on some benchmark.
Certainly 30 or 1000 runs of some benchmark to ascertain a statistical significance isn't too much to ask to back your claim that the XBox's hardware smokes the shit out of the PS2's hardware... is it?
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I think that if you were on the Mozilla project, and said, I contributed to this fine software, I was wondering if you'd like to carry it in your store, that that would be a swaying argument.
I think that if you were a consumer, purchasing computer equipment, and asked if they had the item, and you said you'd like to buy it, then they would probably listen.
If you said "my goodness, it appears that you're not carrying open source software... I don't want any today, but I think that you should carry it," that you'll sound pushy, no matter what you do, and that you're more likely to drive store owners away from this.
Seriously, did you change faiths last time someone came around your neighborhood asking you to do so?
Let him go DigiShaman... he is like the wild liberal moron, who wants to have the world handed to him with no labor.
No, he is a noble creature. I humbly hand him my paycheck so he may drop out of work, play video games all day, do drugs, and make more people just like himself.
I... I do not deserve this money.
As another poster pointed out, I was actually replying to someone who had posted between us.
This is VERMONT.
Obviously you've never seen an episode of Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. Carson will be about there whipping those cable layers into shape in no time, and they'll be done in an afternoon.
Apparently you aren't familiar with Utah.
That's not an advertisement. Certainly spam, but it's really a different game altogether.
Well argued.
Exactly.
It's the same discussion that you invariably end up with someone who knows exactly one programming language.
Ever get in a chat with someone who programs everything in perl? Goodness, they want to write OS's and compilers and this and that... and say that all they need is a good PM to do it.
There is a scenario where someone who sends you an unsolicited advertisement would be able to do so so stealthily that you don't recognize what they are doing?
Eh, ok. The guy who told me the version that I related works at MS as a software engineer, so I took his word for it.
I think that spammers would sue.
Yahoo adult groups sound like a way to herd cattle for mass spammings.
"Penis pills, hot teens and video all on one site?!? My head might explode!"
So, here's the deal.
.NET
.NET development... it's pretty nice for some things, but others are just impossible.
.NET as much as possible, but sometimes have used C++ out of necessity.
My understanding is that people at MS have had difficulty doing a number of operating system "things" in
This is no shocker to anybody whose done any extensive
Have you for instance:
1) Written a device driver
2) Written memory management
3) Manually changed context
Now, you may say "oh, but that's all automagic," which is where you are wrong. If you are writing an OS, you need to do these things. Developers on MS have been trying to use
Not only should it not be surprising, but MS shouldn't be picking up any flack over it. Really, it is quite discrediting to the free software community to brow-beat MS over every move that they make. If you are going to have a pricipal, you really need to apply it with an even hand.
This comment wasn't directed entirely at the parent. Honestly, I see mostly MS users here discussing this... which is also an interesting commentary on Free Software.
Ok. I know that Sun makes entry level machines that do this sort of business, but Cray? I thought that supercomputing was sort of their only business.
What are any of those companies worried about? The best parallel platform at the moment is owned by IBM as well. It's called Blue Gene.
If I were any of those companies, I'd be a lot more worried about that.
Never seen the episode, but I need to. You just made my night.
...but we had the same story, by a different news source a day or 2 ago.
Interestingly, I didn't toss any out there.
That would be nice, but I think that with a company as high-profile as Apple, the media Nazis would crush it.
I'm Libertarian.
:-)
I want nothing of any of this bullshit
Eh, I was just thinking of ease of use/installation/tech support from a vendor... but sure, rolling your own is what we did, and it wasn't bad.
I for one welcome our new fascist liberal overlords.
You mean as a member of the niche market that they are pursuing, that you would like for this product to be released?
:-), but I haven't the cash for such toys at the moment, being a poor grad student :-(
Yeah, me too
This got marked "informative"?
Answer 1)
Wait 10 years, and all of the problems facing you to do this today will be solved... unfortunately, a new batch of problems will have arisen.
Intermission:
I think that we've just settled that your position is one in which you can't really hope to satisfy certain clients... lets hope your CEO is a very cool guy... here's what you do.
Answer 2)
1) KVM via IP. Everyone who wants to click into your system gets linked into KVM via IP over a VPN running connecting your virtual conference room. Too bad it isn't 10 years from now, otherwise, notebooks would come with a feature vaguely similar to this already. Too bad you have to accomodate a mixture of platforms, or I could suggest a different solution.
If you want a solution that is kind of a pain in the ass, we used to do something similar with RealVNC. I think that the KVM via IP solution will be easier, but expensive to support bandwidth-wise. Since it's your CEO, depending on the size of your company, you might be able to afford it. If not, scrap the idea altogether of having visitors pop their displays up, which is what you really want.
2) Teleconferencing solution. Get a COTS teleconferencing solution. Don't fool yourself. Putting one together will be more of a pain in the ass than it's worth.
3) Files openning magically... Set up a really nice fileserver that people reliably use... Now, here's the shitty part... whenever there is a problem, fix it. If you incrementally fix the mime-types and their associations, your boss will be able to do this. Your boss will need to be understanding, you'll need to be on hand, but, eventually, you'll get a system that is fairly glitch free.
4) Suggestion box.
When this is all done, realize that what you have done isn't very good... but what you are doing is good. Encourage everyone to submit suggestions, but persue the CEO's suggestions first. Don't throw away suggestions that don't sound important unless they really sound detrimental (or over budget, probably not the case if it's the CEO). Keep improving the place, and it will keep your CEO happy.
5) Keep improving.
This ties into the last one. Keeping improving doesn't just mean the technology. You need a budget to put nice stuff in this room. If the room feels nice, your boss will appreciate it. Get good looking stuff, put it in a good looking space.
Actually, I think that he wanted you to run a t-test on some benchmark.
Certainly 30 or 1000 runs of some benchmark to ascertain a statistical significance isn't too much to ask to back your claim that the XBox's hardware smokes the shit out of the PS2's hardware... is it?