Why is it that nobody seems to consider bursting / short-term throttling? It seems more logical to me to run a simple IPchains-like setup per address that kicks down after so much bandwidth being used in a period of time. Just not in the way mentioned by others here.
Example: I'm downloading a 650 Meg file. The first minute I'm really cranking speed, but after that it kicks down because I've exceeded my burst rate. This would have let me load a web page in no time, but keeps me from sucking bandwidth. This also doesn't nail me in the fourth week of the month for getting a new distro in the first week. Bandwidth is not per month, it's per second. Overall usage really shouldn't matter (who cares what I do at 2 AM? I'm the only loony on!), it's the bitrate. Want it faster, pay more.
When you buy a line, you should own that bitrate at every second for no extra cost. Bursting ought to be something you can buy above that. And the smart provider would include that in the default plan to make their customers really happy. I just can't stand this per month thing...
Read the line above. Now, somebody be ambitious and make a package for everything freenet needs in one RPM / deb package and put up a system to make it known. Now we play...
Oh yeah, that bridge was ever something... I remember back in 7th grade when I was in a parade with band. We have a bridge along the route that spans the two cities, and as we hit the bridge, we just broke step. The reason: That many people all putting weight in the same pattern would have made it really hard to stand...
There is an ISP in Maine (more than one I think), and they offer great 802.11b service. And I agree that 802.11b carries faster than base ADSL. Now, I go on to restate my point in reference to my local LAN. If you want to go far enough past base ADSL, you need wires. In short, your argument kind of agrees and disagrees with me at the same time... wierd...
I use a wireless net in my house because I like to be able to move around with my laptop. My experience has been this: even with just me on the net, low ping times and fast transfers are only attainable by wire. Sure, wireless is great for browsing and other misc. taks, but if you get somebody that games, don't expect it to happen. Also not good for too much past entry-level DSL. If you're a wireless ISP, cool - there's a place for that. But I'd shudder to see everybody trying to make this a standard last mile...
All that I have to say is that 451 is not twice as much as 221 when speaking of temperature. 0 Farenheit is NOT the base point (not that I know what it is...)
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In a world where politicians are a taxable asset (ok, no - but they ought to be), how do you expect anything that you push to work? DMCA is a very easy to find example. If you were to speak out against that, how would you do that so as to have an actual impact? Money talks really loud, and unless we're taking up bribes...
Yes, but I would still vote an off-topic moderation on my comment as fair, and yet the same I would vote an interesting moderation fair as well. So, we're both off-topic, but it doesn't mean we're not interesting as well.
I metamoderate... and I mark every offtopic UNFAIR, Offtopic is a horribly misused Moderation.
Right - you're an ass. Just because it's misused doesn't mean it's wrong every time. The guy who starts talking about monkeys in a story about encryption is most likely off-topic. If you're going to metamod, take the responsibility to do it right rather than promote some quasi-political agenda of yours against a certain class of moderation reason.
I understand the p2p style systems like freenet. I understand the goal. What I don't understand is how you plan to keep somebody else from running md5 on foo.quest and then naming his machine 123. Half the world would end up at the wrong site or something.
You just described current DNS, but you forgot to mention how the ISP is supposed to have their entry. From their ISP perhaps? And what about them? Eventually, you have a TLD. It's possible to have a.quest.verizon.uunet etc, but that's the same as.com.org.net . And we have a term for when a root server points to another root domain: peering. Already happens as well. Try again, amis.
In the current DNS system, after I request a lookup for a domain name, the server that gave it to me caches it. Every machine that asks that server again before the time out period gets the cached answer. This both keeps loads on the central system down, and allows the owner to specificy how often an update will take at max.
Next, if anyone can register, and the system is distributed so that it can't be controlled, how do you propose that names are removed? Interesting idea, dumb plan.
Yeah, and how do you control registration? What if somebody registered a domain that wasn't theirs? DNS is by nature hierarchial, and it should stay that way. As far as loads go, that's why you query your ISPs DNS, not the root servers. And if you disagree with it, start another set of root servers (don't I wish that were as easy as it appeared typed here).
Forgive me - the message was out of context. I seem to have made a mistake. That message should have been below in the thread list. It was in response to how e-mail was only encrypted to the few people with keys. Or something like that. May have been way too early in the morning, or late at night, or something.
I got that memo, and it's in my.sig (which I intend to change as soon as I'm done posting this). The reasoning behind it as best I could gather was that some of us were rather inflamed at the comment on how our comments were of little signifigance. And I suppose I just wanted to be part of something that might bring about a noticable... well, not change, but something. But the number of comments stayed steady, and I realized that there wouldn't be a chance of me sticking around this site if not for the comments, both those I read and when I get to throw in my two cents. So for all the hope in The (Hopefully) Great Slashdot Blackout, there wasn't much substance.
The sum of it is that the comments are the meat of the stories, and if you're interested in a story, you're going to look to the comments. Since people didn't stop posting, I'm not having much luck at holding back from reading. And so now I'm posting as well since it'd be damned stupid to hold out trying to prove some point that I'm not really sure of. But I guarantee, if the comments faded, I wouldn't have had much a problem staying off the front page as well:)
ElleGirlBuddy: just cuz.....sooooo, what else is happening?
kid1: am I pretty?
ElleGirlBuddy: mebbe. waddaya think?
kid1: I don't know.
ElleGirlBuddy: ok. don't get frustrated.
Don't get frustrated?
Yes folks, this is advertising. I'm just too damned stupid to see the product being pushed. Can somebody brighter than me like the person who wrote the article tell me what product is being advertised? It's just too subliminal for me... Hey! My dryer isn't running anymore. Wonder how long ago that happened. Freaky...
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Anybody actually check that link? It's uh, ethereal :)
Example: I'm downloading a 650 Meg file. The first minute I'm really cranking speed, but after that it kicks down because I've exceeded my burst rate. This would have let me load a web page in no time, but keeps me from sucking bandwidth. This also doesn't nail me in the fourth week of the month for getting a new distro in the first week. Bandwidth is not per month, it's per second. Overall usage really shouldn't matter (who cares what I do at 2 AM? I'm the only loony on!), it's the bitrate. Want it faster, pay more.
When you buy a line, you should own that bitrate at every second for no extra cost. Bursting ought to be something you can buy above that. And the smart provider would include that in the default plan to make their customers really happy. I just can't stand this per month thing...
Read the line above. Now, somebody be ambitious and make a package for everything freenet needs in one RPM / deb package and put up a system to make it known. Now we play...
Sounds nice, but to site another point: What happens when they get somebody who knows how to do packet filtering? Drop all inbound SYN packets and...
Oh yeah, that bridge was ever something... I remember back in 7th grade when I was in a parade with band. We have a bridge along the route that spans the two cities, and as we hit the bridge, we just broke step. The reason: That many people all putting weight in the same pattern would have made it really hard to stand...
There is an ISP in Maine (more than one I think), and they offer great 802.11b service. And I agree that 802.11b carries faster than base ADSL. Now, I go on to restate my point in reference to my local LAN. If you want to go far enough past base ADSL, you need wires. In short, your argument kind of agrees and disagrees with me at the same time... wierd...
I use a wireless net in my house because I like to be able to move around with my laptop. My experience has been this: even with just me on the net, low ping times and fast transfers are only attainable by wire. Sure, wireless is great for browsing and other misc. taks, but if you get somebody that games, don't expect it to happen. Also not good for too much past entry-level DSL. If you're a wireless ISP, cool - there's a place for that. But I'd shudder to see everybody trying to make this a standard last mile...
In a world where politicians are a taxable asset (ok, no - but they ought to be), how do you expect anything that you push to work? DMCA is a very easy to find example. If you were to speak out against that, how would you do that so as to have an actual impact? Money talks really loud, and unless we're taking up bribes...
What - like what the MP3 people did with their licenses?
Yes, but I would still vote an off-topic moderation on my comment as fair, and yet the same I would vote an interesting moderation fair as well. So, we're both off-topic, but it doesn't mean we're not interesting as well.
You were aiming for a +1 funny, right?
What about out-right confusion? (There IS a difference!)
Standard for streaming audio across the internet. DING!
I understand the p2p style systems like freenet. I understand the goal. What I don't understand is how you plan to keep somebody else from running md5 on foo.quest and then naming his machine 123. Half the world would end up at the wrong site or something.
You just described current DNS, but you forgot to mention how the ISP is supposed to have their entry. From their ISP perhaps? And what about them? Eventually, you have a TLD. It's possible to have a .quest .verizon .uunet etc, but that's the same as .com .org .net . And we have a term for when a root server points to another root domain: peering. Already happens as well. Try again, amis.
In the current DNS system, after I request a lookup for a domain name, the server that gave it to me caches it. Every machine that asks that server again before the time out period gets the cached answer. This both keeps loads on the central system down, and allows the owner to specificy how often an update will take at max.
Next, if anyone can register, and the system is distributed so that it can't be controlled, how do you propose that names are removed? Interesting idea, dumb plan.
Yeah - JonKatz the DNS administrator. Great.
Yeah, and how do you control registration? What if somebody registered a domain that wasn't theirs? DNS is by nature hierarchial, and it should stay that way. As far as loads go, that's why you query your ISPs DNS, not the root servers. And if you disagree with it, start another set of root servers (don't I wish that were as easy as it appeared typed here).
Forgive me - the message was out of context. I seem to have made a mistake. That message should have been below in the thread list. It was in response to how e-mail was only encrypted to the few people with keys. Or something like that. May have been way too early in the morning, or late at night, or something.
I do the same. Go back and read the whole thread, and re-consider the context.
Yes, but it's not widely used. Akin to being the only person around with a phone - what's the point if you can't call anyone?
The sum of it is that the comments are the meat of the stories, and if you're interested in a story, you're going to look to the comments. Since people didn't stop posting, I'm not having much luck at holding back from reading. And so now I'm posting as well since it'd be damned stupid to hold out trying to prove some point that I'm not really sure of. But I guarantee, if the comments faded, I wouldn't have had much a problem staying off the front page as well :)
kid1: am I cool?
ElleGirlBuddy: I dunno, waddaya think?
kid1: do you like me?
ElleGirlBuddy: yup!!
kid1: really?
ElleGirlBuddy: yup!
kid1: why?
ElleGirlBuddy: cuz.
kid1: cuz why?
ElleGirlBuddy: just cuz.....sooooo, what else is happening?
kid1: am I pretty?
ElleGirlBuddy: mebbe. waddaya think?
kid1: I don't know.
ElleGirlBuddy: ok. don't get frustrated.
Don't get frustrated?
Yes folks, this is advertising. I'm just too damned stupid to see the product being pushed. Can somebody brighter than me like the person who wrote the article tell me what product is being advertised? It's just too subliminal for me... Hey! My dryer isn't running anymore. Wonder how long ago that happened. Freaky...