Odd...considering the Current Government Trend(TM) is to centeralize and take over and control things now. Especially big explosive things like planes!
Which also begs the question... If terrorists hijack one of these puppies(which, i'd assume would be easier without the government 'security standards'), with millions of gallons of liquid H2 and O2... and ram it into something... ummm.. BOOM?
First i read is 'Globe', and thought "WTF is looking at a Globe got to do with anything?"
Then i saw the fact that there was no L.
So is it pronounced GOB, like a gob of glue,
or maybe GOOB.. like.. GOOBER! haha
or GO-B?
Oh well... Good to see some development in the linux office arena. I'm sick of StarOffice, I want Applixware back, and Koffice ain't my cup o'tea either.
Really, I need something to replace my dad's machine running win98 and MS Works 2000, I'd LOVE to switch him over to SuSE, but he's got tons of old MS Works word processing docs that i'd need to convert, haven't had the best success going to.rtf then to Koffice or StarOffice (mainly cuz some of the stuff dont conver to.rtf well)
My point isnt that i _Cant_ get it to work. I can and i _did_ using the Detenator drivers and external drivers for sound, and manually configgin them...
My point is, rather, that I shouldn't _have_ to do that fore most hardware. Shure my hardware is current, but by no means do i consider it 'bleeding edge'. And guess what? Slack 8 was release long after my hardware was supported by most all other distros.
However, i _do_ agree with you on this point:
Some of us like setting up our hardware the way we want it to be set up. And that's why Slackware isn't "fading out" - as long as a few people still like having control over their systems, it will always be around. By all means, be happy with your auto-installing software - I'm happy with my "roll-your-own" system. Isn't that freedom what the whole Linux/OSS movement is about?
I guess i would like a distro that is as simple and lightweight as slack (DAMN the boot time was PHENOMINAL!) But withough the hassle. Hell, even the extra software that came with KDE didnt show up in the KDE menues! Simply for the reason, that i need to do multiple installs very frequently on a few of my systems, and really i dont have time to mess with'm (by the time i get an install done its already to reload and destroy my previous data.. dont ask y.. i'd hafta shoot you)
And, as I said, Slack _WON'T_ dissapear, just for the fact that it is very customizable, and great for control freaks:) And it makes an AWESOME router on my network right now...
I sorta subsribe to the philosophy stated by Linus in a recent interview i read... paraphrased: He was responding to the question if linux should have some type of 'device manager' like windows. He basically said 'no way, the divices should just work'
And, yes, that's what the Linux/OSS movement is about... giving me the ablilty to bitch and complain and flame about one distro, then go and use another... and bitch and complain and flame cuz it sucked...
BTW.. anyone have distro reccomendations, please lemme know:)
While i think Slack will always have its place, i do believe it is fading...
I just downloaded Slack 8 last week, hoping to replace Caldera on my main system. I couldnt get Caldera to install very lightly, and after that i couldnt get a whole lot of programs(both.rpm and.tgz) to actually freakin install on it.
So load the ONE cd into the drive.. go through the install. Not quite as nice of an install as other distros, but i managed to get it going.
To my amazement, it seemed to install everything i wanted, KDE, XMMS, X, sound support, usb support, mozilla, and the latest and greatest versions of the kernel, libraries, etc. So i thought: Great! this'll be perfect, everything i need, nothing i don't!
Then i rebooted, WOW what a fast boot time. Logged in, typed "startx". Nothing.
Basically none of my hardware was set up, except my NIC. Now i do like Slack's KISS philosophy, however, if i want to install an OS, i want it to actually use the hardware i install it on.
Every other current distro i've thrown on that machine(Athlon 1.2, SBLive, Geforce2, USB mouse, Linksys NIC) like RedHat, Mandrake, Caldera, SuSE... all the basic hardware worked after the install (granted to get 3d accel on the geforce i had to set it up with the detenator drivers, but at least X came up)
So if slack is going to stay fairly used, I'd say it has to have better hardware detection at least.
It has everything else going for it, but i'm not spending an additional 4 hours setting up my hardware post-install, its not worth it.
However, I didnt waste the CD-R i put slack on, I had an old k6-300 i put it on to act as a router. So, yes, Slack still has its place, so i dont think it should just dissapear, but its not my first place for a workstation machine.
I also work in a local shop. I see pretty much the same thing. I've replaced about 5 AMD K6-2 400's that just up and died after 2 years (these were various Compaq systems... so i'm guessing not faulty install) and the Intel counterparts(same brand) of the same era are still running fine.
Also, I've done a few upgrades with putting Duron/Althon's in people's systems.. I've personally burned 2 because I didnt have the heatsink on correctly. The machines didnt even BOOT! They burned up almost instantly... and I mean BURNED, the warranty sticker was charred!
That's not to say I blame AMD for tourched the new chips though:) that was clearly my bad. But the do burn pretty quick... i've done the same with P2/3 installs, and I was able to save the chip.
But, I'm stil buying AMD. The chips are great, fast, and cheap. SO hey.. i dont mind that much
I'm thinking that you could easily put a few model rocket engines on this sucker and really watch it go!
Actually, that was my first thought... I've done it before... its... interesting:) I figured out too late that you need more weight on the nose... cuz control is _impossible_. Mine went the 20 meters.. eventually, usually after missing my head by 3 inches:)
The Rules
*Use a 2 litre pop bottle
*The pressure must not exceed 5bar, 70psi, this is about the amount of pressure you can get from a cheap bike pump.
*The car can have a rolling start or fixed start - it's up to you.
*The car that completes the straight 20-metre tarmac/concrete course the fastest wins! *Anything else goes!
Anything? MAAAAAAN that leaves SOOOOO many things to try.. TNT.. JetFuel.. Beer.. a Catapult.. and whatever else is posted here:)
In the past few months we've had DOS attacks to our routers constantly for the past few months... Took the admins that long to figure out what the hell was happening to all the bandwidth.
and even longer to figure out who's doing it... lame admins heh..:)
True, but I was thinking more along the lines of the article, using SyncRAM as a SSD. Something Cheap anyways.
and yes.. waaay to non-cost effective.
BTW who the hell is doin the moderation around here? i get -1 redundant with only 11 posts, 4 of wich are FP shit? that and nwo the other 400 posts raise similar points. oh well.. there goes my karma:)
Well.. its kinda redundant, at least on my linux machine i tried it on. Cuz i dont ever use more than the 384 megs of ram on it, so th ewap is never touched. Unless i create a ramdisk:)
I can't think of very many apps that require a single 80MB/s stream.
That's 80Mb/s Burst i believe. Usually stream rates are significantly below Bust transfer rates.(Ultra ATA100 is 100 burst and like 60 sustained)
I can think of lots of little apps that all boot in succession.. when you boot the machine. Also, there's file serving.. My servers kick out 3x that onto the network on a bad day(gotta love the massive disk cache)
True, any IDE drive, solid state or platters, is limited by the bus speed of 100MB/s. AND with IDE, about 30% or so of the bandwidth is controll information, so you only get about 60MB/s of actual data transfer.
Like I said, Seek TIme. The average seek time of most IDE drives is about 9ms. And if you use the RAID 0, you theoretically cut it in half so say 4.5 ms.
However, SyncRAM is around 8ns, 100 times faster than a single drive, or 50 times faster than RAID 0.
Y do i need the speed... simple... because I CAN
One thing's for sure, the market won't be flooded with SSDs anytime soon. But some day, for 2 reasons: SPeed, and Failure. Mechanical hard disks are slow cuz the acutally physically have to move. THis also make sthem VERY easy to break. In the past year i've don 75 HD replacements.. all due to wear and tear, and 2 RAM replacements due to faulty modules.
Even 100megabit transferring from memory will feel faster than a local hard disk
Ok.. 100Mbit say (i'm not gonna do the 1,024 per dennomination for this demonstration) that's 100,000,000 bits per second.
My IDE hard disk is 100MBps that's 100,000,000 million BYTES per seocnd.. 8 TIMES as fast as network. So 800,000,000bits per second.
Don't believe a HD is faster than a network? try running M$ Office 2000 off a file server as opposed to off a local HD. I tried it... it hurts.
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Odd...considering the Current Government Trend(TM) is to centeralize and take over and control things now. Especially big explosive things like planes!
Which also begs the question... If terrorists hijack one of these puppies(which, i'd assume would be easier without the government 'security standards'), with millions of gallons of liquid H2 and O2... and ram it into something... ummm.. BOOM?
... of clustering. Its... slicing your box up...
First i read is 'Globe', and thought "WTF is looking at a Globe got to do with anything?"
.rtf then to Koffice or StarOffice (mainly cuz some of the stuff dont conver to .rtf well)
Then i saw the fact that there was no L.
So is it pronounced GOB, like a gob of glue,
or maybe GOOB.. like.. GOOBER! haha
or GO-B?
Oh well... Good to see some development in the linux office arena. I'm sick of StarOffice, I want Applixware back, and Koffice ain't my cup o'tea either.
Really, I need something to replace my dad's machine running win98 and MS Works 2000, I'd LOVE to switch him over to SuSE, but he's got tons of old MS Works word processing docs that i'd need to convert, haven't had the best success going to
Oh, well, my $.02
Sorry to give you all the "newbie" impression...
:) And it makes an AWESOME router on my network right now...
:)
My point isnt that i _Cant_ get it to work. I can and i _did_ using the Detenator drivers and external drivers for sound, and manually configgin them...
My point is, rather, that I shouldn't _have_ to do that fore most hardware. Shure my hardware is current, but by no means do i consider it 'bleeding edge'. And guess what? Slack 8 was release long after my hardware was supported by most all other distros.
However, i _do_ agree with you on this point:
Some of us like setting up our hardware the way we want it to be set up. And that's why Slackware isn't "fading out" - as long as a few people still like having control over their systems, it will always be around. By all means, be happy with your auto-installing software - I'm happy with my "roll-your-own" system. Isn't that freedom what the whole Linux/OSS movement is about?
I guess i would like a distro that is as simple and lightweight as slack (DAMN the boot time was PHENOMINAL!) But withough the hassle. Hell, even the extra software that came with KDE didnt show up in the KDE menues! Simply for the reason, that i need to do multiple installs very frequently on a few of my systems, and really i dont have time to mess with'm (by the time i get an install done its already to reload and destroy my previous data.. dont ask y.. i'd hafta shoot you)
And, as I said, Slack _WON'T_ dissapear, just for the fact that it is very customizable, and great for control freaks
I sorta subsribe to the philosophy stated by Linus in a recent interview i read... paraphrased: He was responding to the question if linux should have some type of 'device manager' like windows. He basically said 'no way, the divices should just work'
And, yes, that's what the Linux/OSS movement is about... giving me the ablilty to bitch and complain and flame about one distro, then go and use another... and bitch and complain and flame cuz it sucked...
BTW.. anyone have distro reccomendations, please lemme know
Been there, done that... not exactly the newbie type...
NOT my point...
Didnt need it, got the hardware installed witout it...
see "clarfication" above
While i think Slack will always have its place, i do believe it is fading...
.rpm and .tgz) to actually freakin install on it.
I just downloaded Slack 8 last week, hoping to replace Caldera on my main system. I couldnt get Caldera to install very lightly, and after that i couldnt get a whole lot of programs(both
So load the ONE cd into the drive.. go through the install. Not quite as nice of an install as other distros, but i managed to get it going.
To my amazement, it seemed to install everything i wanted, KDE, XMMS, X, sound support, usb support, mozilla, and the latest and greatest versions of the kernel, libraries, etc. So i thought: Great! this'll be perfect, everything i need, nothing i don't!
Then i rebooted, WOW what a fast boot time. Logged in, typed "startx". Nothing.
Basically none of my hardware was set up, except my NIC. Now i do like Slack's KISS philosophy, however, if i want to install an OS, i want it to actually use the hardware i install it on.
Every other current distro i've thrown on that machine(Athlon 1.2, SBLive, Geforce2, USB mouse, Linksys NIC) like RedHat, Mandrake, Caldera, SuSE... all the basic hardware worked after the install (granted to get 3d accel on the geforce i had to set it up with the detenator drivers, but at least X came up)
So if slack is going to stay fairly used, I'd say it has to have better hardware detection at least.
It has everything else going for it, but i'm not spending an additional 4 hours setting up my hardware post-install, its not worth it.
However, I didnt waste the CD-R i put slack on, I had an old k6-300 i put it on to act as a router. So, yes, Slack still has its place, so i dont think it should just dissapear, but its not my first place for a workstation machine.
just had to say it :)
Just installed one of these... it is pretty much "inaudible"... nice drive...
I've yet to have a problem with Micron PC2100 in my A7A266.. been runnin for several months 24/7 now....
I also work in a local shop. I see pretty much the same thing. I've replaced about 5 AMD K6-2 400's that just up and died after 2 years (these were various Compaq systems... so i'm guessing not faulty install) and the Intel counterparts(same brand) of the same era are still running fine.
Also, I've done a few upgrades with putting Duron/Althon's in people's systems.. I've personally burned 2 because I didnt have the heatsink on correctly. The machines didnt even BOOT! They burned up almost instantly... and I mean BURNED, the warranty sticker was charred!
That's not to say I blame AMD for tourched the new chips though:) that was clearly my bad. But the do burn pretty quick... i've done the same with P2/3 installs, and I was able to save the chip.
But, I'm stil buying AMD. The chips are great, fast, and cheap. SO hey.. i dont mind that much
Ok.. i'll restate in plainer english...
I meant that it suggests a pressure range.. and NOT a means of creating the pressure..
Yes, It clearly defines the max. pressure but not a strictly defined way of gettin that pressure.
Actually, Beer might be an ideal replacement for water! The CO2 would provide extra power when it came out of solution in the beer as it depresserizes
That, and it'd spray beer foam all over the track!!
Sorta like a beer fight bottle rocket hehe
I'm thinking that you could easily put a few model rocket engines on this sucker and really watch it go!
:) I figured out too late that you need more weight on the nose... cuz control is _impossible_. Mine went the 20 meters.. eventually, usually after missing my head by 3 inches :)
Actually, that was my first thought... I've done it before... its... interesting
... of course.. it doesnt say how _much_ of the bottle has to break 20 meters :)
The Rules
:)
*Use a 2 litre pop bottle
*The pressure must not exceed 5bar, 70psi, this is about the amount of pressure you can get from a cheap bike pump.
*The car can have a rolling start or fixed start - it's up to you.
*The car that completes the straight 20-metre tarmac/concrete course the fastest wins!
*Anything else goes!
Anything? MAAAAAAN that leaves SOOOOO many things to try.. TNT.. JetFuel.. Beer.. a Catapult.. and whatever else is posted here
*The pressure must not exceed 5bar, 70psi, this is about the amount of pressure you can get from a cheap bike pump.
Looks like it doesn't _have_ to.. just suggests a pressure range... at least that's my take on the law...
In the past few months we've had DOS attacks to our routers constantly for the past few months... Took the admins that long to figure out what the hell was happening to all the bandwidth.
:)
and even longer to figure out who's doing it... lame admins heh..
hmm.. i think my m and k keys are switched.. damn qwerty hehe
512kbps
geez, I pay over $100 and only get 512mbps.. Qwest Bites
True, but I was thinking more along the lines of the article, using SyncRAM as a SSD. Something Cheap anyways.
:)
and yes.. waaay to non-cost effective.
BTW who the hell is doin the moderation around here? i get -1 redundant with only 11 posts, 4 of wich are FP shit? that and nwo the other 400 posts raise similar points. oh well.. there goes my karma
Well.. its kinda redundant, at least on my linux machine i tried it on. Cuz i dont ever use more than the 384 megs of ram on it, so th ewap is never touched. Unless i create a ramdisk :)
I can't think of very many apps that require a single 80MB/s stream.
That's 80Mb/s Burst i believe. Usually stream rates are significantly below Bust transfer rates.(Ultra ATA100 is 100 burst and like 60 sustained)
I can think of lots of little apps that all boot in succession.. when you boot the machine. Also, there's file serving.. My servers kick out 3x that onto the network on a bad day(gotta love the massive disk cache)
Why would you bother with one of these?
ITs this neat thing called Seek Time.
True, any IDE drive, solid state or platters, is limited by the bus speed of 100MB/s. AND with IDE, about 30% or so of the bandwidth is controll information, so you only get about 60MB/s of actual data transfer.
Like I said, Seek TIme. The average seek time of most IDE drives is about 9ms. And if you use the RAID 0, you theoretically cut it in half so say 4.5 ms.
However, SyncRAM is around 8ns, 100 times faster than a single drive, or 50 times faster than RAID 0.
Y do i need the speed... simple... because I CAN
One thing's for sure, the market won't be flooded with SSDs anytime soon. But some day, for 2 reasons: SPeed, and Failure. Mechanical hard disks are slow cuz the acutally physically have to move. THis also make sthem VERY easy to break. In the past year i've don 75 HD replacements.. all due to wear and tear, and 2 RAM replacements due to faulty modules.
Even 100megabit transferring from memory will feel faster than a local hard disk
Ok.. 100Mbit say (i'm not gonna do the 1,024 per dennomination for this demonstration) that's 100,000,000 bits per second.
My IDE hard disk is 100MBps that's 100,000,000 million BYTES per seocnd.. 8 TIMES as fast as network. So 800,000,000bits per second.
Don't believe a HD is faster than a network? try running M$ Office 2000 off a file server as opposed to off a local HD.
I tried it... it hurts.