There has been a small group working to add it to KDE. I don't know if it'll be ready by the KDE 2.0 release, but if you have any developing experience I'm sure they can use another hand. But, one day there will be a browser, office apps, etc for people of all languages.:) You can search the kde-devel list at http://lists.kde.org.
I have wondered about this Internet connection sharing stuff in Win98SE. Has anyone seen a review or comparison to IP Masq anywhere? Do they have some means for poking holes, redirecting ports to behind the firewall, etc? I don't expect it to have all the functionality ipchains has, but I am curious as to what it does do.
Many games work flawlessly on the Internet through my Linux masq box. But some do need tweaking and port forwarding rules to be set up. And I don't think MS would forsake those games and not have any sort of rule system in the Internet sharing deal.
Why should I have to install X libraries just to run a browser? Why can't GNOME apps just use text? We have a standard called ASCII, ya know. Why do I have to install a whole operating system and a calculator program when all I want to do is add 3 + 3? The BIOS and assembly have the necessary functions to do this. Why do I have to have a computer to post on Slashdot, doesn't Slashdot know there is a standard called the postal service? Why must I put down a couple hundred for a simple television, can't Jennifer Anniston and Courtney Cox just come to my apartment and be my friend? Why must I be born to ride a bicycle, where's the freedom in that?? It's oppression I tell ya! Damn the man!
Hey, if you want to do something specific, you accept that you may need to perform some prerequisite tasks, be it being born, or install a few libs. And KDE works on a myriad of Unix desktops, you just need a decent compiler.
The last time I was at my local electronics store, the smallest hard drive they had was like 13gigs, for around $130. My KDE2 lib dir is currently about nine and a half megs. Doing the math, I get 9.27 cents (US) for that. My entire KDE2 directory tree is 44MB, some things have debug symbols, nothing is stripped, so there's room to shrink that. But still, that comes out to 43 cents for just about all of KDE2. So, I ask of Slashdotters everywhere, What is it with you people demanding others write programs on your whims, becuase YOU do not feel like installing some libs? Are so many of you still on 100mb hard drives from the good ol' 486 days? If you don't like what KDE stands for or something philosophical, wouldn't you just accept it and not touch anything KDE including Konqeror? I mean, no one is forcing anything down your throat. There aren't any Konqueror-only extensions to HTML we're trying to enforce as a standard.
I don't run gnome much because I'm fine in KDE. But should I go to the author of gtrue (an excellent program, btw) and demand that he write it for KDE? Where's the sense in that? I just go on with life, myself. But I'm crazy that way.
I picked up one of these (be it only two ports) at one of these "super computer sale" shows. It's been adequate overrall. Sure it's annoying to have to switch and wait for a PC to boot up, but saving $200 got me over it. I have run mine now for a year or so on a 19" monitor, 1600x1200. I don't see any blurry problems, or limited to 1024x768 like many posts people have written here.
Of course, I will soon be in the market for a "real" switch, needing more ports and now I can afford the added conveniences like keyboard shortcuts and foot pedals.
I'm not the original poster, but you see this anytime someone appears here on Slashdot referencing commercial software. Short of every piece of software in the world being GPLed, they will always whine. Just move on.:)
For what it's worth, I ran Notes in VMWare just fine, when I was sentenced to a job that used it.:) If you really don't want to reboot or install another computer with Windows. But now I am free of that job, yippee!
Right on! No commercial company should release any product, be it Oracle, Netscape, Sybase, Borland, IBM, etc, unless it is certified to run on at least the top ten distributions. Then, it should also be runnable on the second ten, just not necessarily certified. So what if it takes an extra year or two of development, an extra dozen or three tech support personnel. At least some whiners would be happy.
Of course, that still leaves out the #21 and up distributions in the dark and free to whine. Lord knows downloading the glibc/c++/whatever libraries RedHat (or other supported dists) uses and setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH is just too damn much to ask. For all the Debian/Slackware folks that claim to be oh so hard-core and the only "true" distributions, you'd think they would be able to figure this much out.
I don't know but I think the Linux crowd of Notes users is quite large (and growing) compared to the AIX crowd. A good number of large companies use Notes, and their IT shops have some Linux people. Just looking around Slashdot when a Notes article comes up, there are a significant number of people that just want the client to do their work in Linux.
Linux is making it's way onto users' work desktops, so porting to there makes sense. With the server coming out, I can understand that admins would want to do their work on they Linux workstation as well. The problem comes that Lotus has to justify the resources it will take fully support the product. The porting/compiling of it is just a minor piece in the big picture.:)
They have absolutely no plans to port the client at this time. Which is unfortunate, but they may come around with plenty of bugging by people that buy the server. I understand there is quite a bit of talk on their forums by developers running the beta server, but thus far that hasn't been enough to convince Lotus to make the port. So, keep bugging them, but only if you actually will buy the client.
I've gotta ask it but, is there any open source software to download the data to the device? They're wanting a damned user/pass to go to the download area, so I haven't gotten much further. I presume the software is for Win95, and there's an Apple logo on that page. (What do you know, cypherpunk worked...)
Hmm, I haven't tried anything, but I believe VMware can access the ports directly. Anyone out there done something like that? But still, it would be immensely easier to use normal apps in Linux. The last thing I want to do is setup '95 on a spare PC just to program the darned thing.:) Hey, people figured out the Mindstorm's transmitting scheme, so hopefully...
Mentioning something like that would just confuse the average Windows user. MS did the same sort of thing a while ago with Windows Media Player, taking over file formats like Real Audio. Don't install QT, and Netscape can load PNGs (somewhat) fine.
No one's forcing you or anyone to make the move. This is just something that goes along with several of the philosophies that accompany the free software movement. Some don't believe software patents should exist, or that shaking down people for $5000 isn't appropriate after being dormant for so many years on the issue.
This is just a call for those that have these sort of feelings on the issue to abandon GIFs (or other format using LZW) and switch to other formats. Likewise, if there's some images you have which just don't display properly on certain browsers or whatever, then decisions must be made. You can try various other formats, see if any match your needs. Or you can write letters to browser makers to encourage them to properly support existing standards. Proper implementation of existing standards should be important to all of us, otherwise you have no standard.
And that's supposed to mean something? Look a few millimeters to the right on this burnallgifs.org site, you'll see Unisys has since changed their position to any and all software/hardware.
It's the old "guilty until proven innocent" routine. If you can concretely identify what program each and every GIF on your site was created with, and they are all programs certified by Unisys, you're in the clear. Of course, who sits over years of web site construction, involving many employees, documenting what was made with which program. The easy way out for most companies is just to fork over $5000 and be done with it.
All AMD needs to do is put some kernel compile times in their next batch of benchmarks for the latest/fastest cpu. Just acknowledging the Linux market will get them thousands of purchases. That, and coming up with SMP boards sooner, helping third parties or whatever it takes.
On Ars, just below this story is one on these Coppermine CPUs. Intel has disabled any SMPness for the PGA models. No doubt they want you to spend a few grand on two real P3's. My only advice, is for all you anti-AMD pushers to think which company has a better model for hardware. Intel likes to threaten motherboard makers, disable various overclock/SMP features in chips just to thwart the gamer/hacker, spread this FUD like 3DNow is only for games, but SSE is for every app.
I'd swear I've seen this same behavior in the software world too, but I just can't think of who it was...
Hey now, this is America. Home of whiney kids that just MUST have their way, dammit! Just tune in to Dateline on NBC every day.
Sure there may be insurance reasons, needing parental permission, alcohol, etc, but dammit that's not good enough! We've got to whine, especially kids nowadays!! Everyone else in this country/world had better let everyone who wants to do something do it, no matter what, or they'll go to the press/lawyers. Obviously, Comdex is ONLY doing this because they are nothing but anti-kid biggots. There can't be any other reason, right?
Folks, there wasn't much at the spring Comdex here in Chicago worth going through all this fuss. And there is no principle you're fighting for. It's just pathetic whining.
"Separation of Church and State" means government (congress, president, etc) can not establish a national religion that everyone must belong to.
What Mayor Guiliani, and many people, are most discussed at is how it's open season on Christianity (especially Catholics). Why should tax money go to support racism, denegrating religion, etc. Burning a cross, as well as throwing a crucifix in a jar of urine, has no place being supported by tax money. If artists wish to get money for painting swastikas, they can get it by those that support the cause. Paint the side of your house with such things, it will be shown and not censored. It need not be sanctioned by tax money, that is, if we as a society are to be consistent.
I forgot one important fact in all this. The old saying, "Show me the code." The fact is, Torben Weis took the time to implement a working version of canossa to demonstrate. If anyone has ideas about how to implement something better or whatever, they're welcome. But nothing gets the point across as having code to show your view and that it works.
The original post about this is available at here. And just what David Faure predicted has come true.
We need to look at the present and immediate future more than the distant future. I know many of the Slashdot readers would love to see a KDE2 come out that is terribly slow and crashes as much as something from MS. But that is not what will happen.
Currently, this is the best method for applications to be extremely fast and usable. It does still leave the door open for CORBA. But for native KDE code, it saves a lot of headache. Users do not care if five years from now some app will be fast, but until then live with its slowness. KOffice has been the chief user of OP (the part Canossa replaces) and has been pretty unstable for about a year now. Fixes occur here and there but it just has been unmaintainable. In three days, a couple guys have made Canossa and it's much more stable with it. Development now has a chance to improve real features of the apps.
Where do you want to go today? A mythical utopia, or what works now and works well. And I'll say again, CORBA isn't dropped completely, it is still in there. Despite all the ranting about these sort of subject, the ultimate factor to keep in mind is the users. We must provide products that get the task done in the best manor available.
CORBA may catch up someday, and we can adapt with it. Do you think KDE2 will be the end of any further changes? Heck, with KDE3, KDE4, etc it's probable the code we've written will be gone and redone faster/better/cleaner. Development can and does move with the times. These decisions do come with plenty of thought, the mail lists are publicly readable at http://lists.kde.org.
Mico's compiled flawlessly for me for the last several versions, 2.3.0 is the current version required by KDE2. I configure it with "--disable-mini-stl --disable-static --enable-shared --disable-coss".
But, if anyone is thinking about trying to compile the cvs snapshots, don't bother for a few more days. There is still some post-KDE-II work going on, so things may or may not work completely. Or use a snapshot around Oct 7.
It is a database of several text config files, that are static 99.99% of the time for faster access. And when one of the text files changes, it'll reupdate the db. This isn't the sort of Windows Registry we all know and hate. You are free to modify text files in vi just as you always have.
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This news, on a day that RHAT has gone higher than ever before, closing at 168 15/16, up 25 from yesterday. Cobalt isn't doing too bad either.
There has been a small group working to add it to KDE. I don't know if it'll be ready by the KDE 2.0 release, but if you have any developing experience I'm sure they can use another hand. But, one day there will be a browser, office apps, etc for people of all languages. :) You can search the kde-devel list at http://lists.kde.org.
I have wondered about this Internet connection sharing stuff in Win98SE. Has anyone seen a review or comparison to IP Masq anywhere? Do they have some means for poking holes, redirecting ports to behind the firewall, etc? I don't expect it to have all the functionality ipchains has, but I am curious as to what it does do.
Many games work flawlessly on the Internet through my Linux masq box. But some do need tweaking and port forwarding rules to be set up. And I don't think MS would forsake those games and not have any sort of rule system in the Internet sharing deal.
Why should I have to install X libraries just to run a browser? Why can't GNOME apps just use text? We have a standard called ASCII, ya know. Why do I have to install a whole operating system and a calculator program when all I want to do is add 3 + 3? The BIOS and assembly have the necessary functions to do this. Why do I have to have a computer to post on Slashdot, doesn't Slashdot know there is a standard called the postal service? Why must I put down a couple hundred for a simple television, can't Jennifer Anniston and Courtney Cox just come to my apartment and be my friend? Why must I be born to ride a bicycle, where's the freedom in that?? It's oppression I tell ya! Damn the man!
Hey, if you want to do something specific, you accept that you may need to perform some prerequisite tasks, be it being born, or install a few libs. And KDE works on a myriad of Unix desktops, you just need a decent compiler.
The last time I was at my local electronics store, the smallest hard drive they had was like 13gigs, for around $130. My KDE2 lib dir is currently about nine and a half megs. Doing the math, I get 9.27 cents (US) for that. My entire KDE2 directory tree is 44MB, some things have debug symbols, nothing is stripped, so there's room to shrink that. But still, that comes out to 43 cents for just about all of KDE2. So, I ask of Slashdotters everywhere, What is it with you people demanding others write programs on your whims, becuase YOU do not feel like installing some libs? Are so many of you still on 100mb hard drives from the good ol' 486 days? If you don't like what KDE stands for or something philosophical, wouldn't you just accept it and not touch anything KDE including Konqeror? I mean, no one is forcing anything down your throat. There aren't any Konqueror-only extensions to HTML we're trying to enforce as a standard.
I don't run gnome much because I'm fine in KDE. But should I go to the author of gtrue (an excellent program, btw) and demand that he write it for KDE? Where's the sense in that? I just go on with life, myself. But I'm crazy that way.
I picked up one of these (be it only two ports) at one of these "super computer sale" shows. It's been adequate overrall. Sure it's annoying to have to switch and wait for a PC to boot up, but saving $200 got me over it. I have run mine now for a year or so on a 19" monitor, 1600x1200. I don't see any blurry problems, or limited to 1024x768 like many posts people have written here.
Of course, I will soon be in the market for a "real" switch, needing more ports and now I can afford the added conveniences like keyboard shortcuts and foot pedals.
I'm not the original poster, but you see this anytime someone appears here on Slashdot referencing commercial software. Short of every piece of software in the world being GPLed, they will always whine. Just move on. :)
For what it's worth, I ran Notes in VMWare just fine, when I was sentenced to a job that used it. :) If you really don't want to reboot or install another computer with Windows. But now I am free of that job, yippee!
Right on! No commercial company should release any product, be it Oracle, Netscape, Sybase, Borland, IBM, etc, unless it is certified to run on at least the top ten distributions. Then, it should also be runnable on the second ten, just not necessarily certified. So what if it takes an extra year or two of development, an extra dozen or three tech support personnel. At least some whiners would be happy.
Of course, that still leaves out the #21 and up distributions in the dark and free to whine. Lord knows downloading the glibc/c++/whatever libraries RedHat (or other supported dists) uses and setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH is just too damn much to ask. For all the Debian/Slackware folks that claim to be oh so hard-core and the only "true" distributions, you'd think they would be able to figure this much out.
I don't know but I think the Linux crowd of Notes users is quite large (and growing) compared to the AIX crowd. A good number of large companies use Notes, and their IT shops have some Linux people. Just looking around Slashdot when a Notes article comes up, there are a significant number of people that just want the client to do their work in Linux.
:)
Linux is making it's way onto users' work desktops, so porting to there makes sense. With the server coming out, I can understand that admins would want to do their work on they Linux workstation as well. The problem comes that Lotus has to justify the resources it will take fully support the product. The porting/compiling of it is just a minor piece in the big picture.
They have absolutely no plans to port the client at this time. Which is unfortunate, but they may come around with plenty of bugging by people that buy the server. I understand there is quite a bit of talk on their forums by developers running the beta server, but thus far that hasn't been enough to convince Lotus to make the port. So, keep bugging them, but only if you actually will buy the client.
I've gotta ask it but, is there any open source software to download the data to the device? They're wanting a damned user/pass to go to the download area, so I haven't gotten much further. I presume the software is for Win95, and there's an Apple logo on that page. (What do you know, cypherpunk worked...)
:) Hey, people figured out the Mindstorm's transmitting scheme, so hopefully...
Hmm, I haven't tried anything, but I believe VMware can access the ports directly. Anyone out there done something like that? But still, it would be immensely easier to use normal apps in Linux. The last thing I want to do is setup '95 on a spare PC just to program the darned thing.
Mentioning something like that would just confuse the average Windows user. MS did the same sort of thing a while ago with Windows Media Player, taking over file formats like Real Audio. Don't install QT, and Netscape can load PNGs (somewhat) fine.
No one's forcing you or anyone to make the move. This is just something that goes along with several of the philosophies that accompany the free software movement. Some don't believe software patents should exist, or that shaking down people for $5000 isn't appropriate after being dormant for so many years on the issue.
This is just a call for those that have these sort of feelings on the issue to abandon GIFs (or other format using LZW) and switch to other formats. Likewise, if there's some images you have which just don't display properly on certain browsers or whatever, then decisions must be made. You can try various other formats, see if any match your needs. Or you can write letters to browser makers to encourage them to properly support existing standards. Proper implementation of existing standards should be important to all of us, otherwise you have no standard.
And that's supposed to mean something? Look a few millimeters to the right on this burnallgifs.org site, you'll see Unisys has since changed their position to any and all software/hardware.
It's the old "guilty until proven innocent" routine. If you can concretely identify what program each and every GIF on your site was created with, and they are all programs certified by Unisys, you're in the clear. Of course, who sits over years of web site construction, involving many employees, documenting what was made with which program. The easy way out for most companies is just to fork over $5000 and be done with it.
All AMD needs to do is put some kernel compile times in their next batch of benchmarks for the latest/fastest cpu. Just acknowledging the Linux market will get them thousands of purchases. That, and coming up with SMP boards sooner, helping third parties or whatever it takes.
On Ars, just below this story is one on these Coppermine CPUs. Intel has disabled any SMPness for the PGA models. No doubt they want you to spend a few grand on two real P3's. My only advice, is for all you anti-AMD pushers to think which company has a better model for hardware. Intel likes to threaten motherboard makers, disable various overclock/SMP features in chips just to thwart the gamer/hacker, spread this FUD like 3DNow is only for games, but SSE is for every app.
I'd swear I've seen this same behavior in the software world too, but I just can't think of who it was...
For what it's worth, I'm getting into it just fine right now.
Hey now, this is America. Home of whiney kids that just MUST have their way, dammit! Just tune in to Dateline on NBC every day.
Sure there may be insurance reasons, needing parental permission, alcohol, etc, but dammit that's not good enough! We've got to whine, especially kids nowadays!! Everyone else in this country/world had better let everyone who wants to do something do it, no matter what, or they'll go to the press/lawyers. Obviously, Comdex is ONLY doing this because they are nothing but anti-kid biggots. There can't be any other reason, right?
Folks, there wasn't much at the spring Comdex here in Chicago worth going through all this fuss. And there is no principle you're fighting for. It's just pathetic whining.
err, "discussed" should be "disgusted" :)
"Separation of Church and State" means government (congress, president, etc) can not establish a national religion that everyone must belong to.
What Mayor Guiliani, and many people, are most discussed at is how it's open season on Christianity (especially Catholics). Why should tax money go to support racism, denegrating religion, etc. Burning a cross, as well as throwing a crucifix in a jar of urine, has no place being supported by tax money. If artists wish to get money for painting swastikas, they can get it by those that support the cause. Paint the side of your house with such things, it will be shown and not censored. It need not be sanctioned by tax money, that is, if we as a society are to be consistent.
I forgot one important fact in all this. The old saying, "Show me the code." The fact is, Torben Weis took the time to implement a working version of canossa to demonstrate. If anyone has ideas about how to implement something better or whatever, they're welcome. But nothing gets the point across as having code to show your view and that it works.
The original post about this is available at here. And just what David Faure predicted has come true.
We need to look at the present and immediate future more than the distant future. I know many of the Slashdot readers would love to see a KDE2 come out that is terribly slow and crashes as much as something from MS. But that is not what will happen.
Currently, this is the best method for applications to be extremely fast and usable. It does still leave the door open for CORBA. But for native KDE code, it saves a lot of headache. Users do not care if five years from now some app will be fast, but until then live with its slowness. KOffice has been the chief user of OP (the part Canossa replaces) and has been pretty unstable for about a year now. Fixes occur here and there but it just has been unmaintainable. In three days, a couple guys have made Canossa and it's much more stable with it. Development now has a chance to improve real features of the apps.
Where do you want to go today? A mythical utopia, or what works now and works well. And I'll say again, CORBA isn't dropped completely, it is still in there. Despite all the ranting about these sort of subject, the ultimate factor to keep in mind is the users. We must provide products that get the task done in the best manor available.
CORBA may catch up someday, and we can adapt with it. Do you think KDE2 will be the end of any further changes? Heck, with KDE3, KDE4, etc it's probable the code we've written will be gone and redone faster/better/cleaner. Development can and does move with the times. These decisions do come with plenty of thought, the mail lists are publicly readable at http://lists.kde.org.
Maybe contact the mico group?
Mico's compiled flawlessly for me for the last several versions, 2.3.0 is the current version required by KDE2. I configure it with "--disable-mini-stl --disable-static --enable-shared --disable-coss".
But, if anyone is thinking about trying to compile the cvs snapshots, don't bother for a few more days. There is still some post-KDE-II work going on, so things may or may not work completely. Or use a snapshot around Oct 7.
It is a database of several text config files, that are static 99.99% of the time for faster access. And when one of the text files changes, it'll reupdate the db. This isn't the sort of Windows Registry we all know and hate. You are free to modify text files in vi just as you always have.