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Red Hat Deserves Award for ... Most Awards?
malacai pointed out a story on biz.yahoo.com about all the awards that Red Hat has been getting. Plus, their recent (pending) acquisition, Cygnus, also seems to be getting a wall's worth of plaques. Maybe we should think about giving Red Hat some kind of special award for "Most Awards Won by a Linux Company in 1999." One thing's for sure: Red Hat has done lots to promote Linux in general, and deserves strong applause for their efforts no matter which Linux distribution you personally prefer.
Congratulations, Red Hat!
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there's gotta be a nano breakthrough or some type of microsoft bashing to break the monotony...
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seriously, as long as there is a possibility of getting paid for making free software in the future (be it with RedHat or another company), I am happy.
Jaos
GNU is good for you
Additional applause due to Red Hat not only for their work to make Linux more visible, but for doing it in a way that really makes some sense - by making Linux a little easier to get running for people that would rather just having a working OS with no guilt. Ease of installation is important to the people.
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Oh well. I'm just cynical, I guess.
You guys must be doing something right :] hehe
Red Hat may have won the most awards, and is difenatly the most publicized dist. of Linux, but is it the best? What really matters? Being known or being the best? That's a tough one....
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While I don't use Redhat personally, I think that, so far, that they have been good for Open Source / free software, and that they deserve recognition and financial success.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
--Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
I don't know how to feel about Red Hat. Their distro is great for newer people to Linux... in fact, it's good for everyone (yes, I do run and prefer Debian but don't dislike any distros)... I have always wondered about it though. Some think it has dumbed down linux (please no distro wars), some think it is Linux's salvation. I am glad that they IPO'd as it will most likely be the first drop of a waterfall, VA IPO'd today as well. What's next, should we expect to get The Letter from Debian? I think its great. If we get enough stock power... well, that's getting off topic. I believe that Red Hat han opened more doors for the Linux community's growth than any company. When I start talking about Linux, what do people say? Oh, yeah, I've heard about RedHat... not Slackware, Debian, SuSE, Stampede, or any other... just RedHat. If it has become this publicly known, well, then I say "kudos to you for making the community more bountiful by the day, and you deserve the awards you win."
If you think you know what the hell is going on you're probably full of shit.
If you think you know what the hell is going on you're probably full of shit.
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but my lordy, drop the disgusting looking new website and come up with something a lil more organized and appealing to the eyes..
Ouch!
Let me then go on to express how tired I am of seeing companies get "awards" for being public. I installed Debian Linux back in '96ish, after a merely satisfactory experience with a copy of Slackware that came attached to the back cover of a book. At the time, I don't recall seeing Red Hat as an distribution, let alone one worthy of high praise.
Fast forward to current day. Red Hat is probably the biggest "name" in Linux distributions, but I think it's still debatable if it's the best distribution.
None of the three articles mentioned Debian or Slackware. Apparently in order to be an award-winning software product you actually have to be handled by a company that has a physical headquarters somewhere.
Perhaps the awards should be "Best Software Product From People Who Charge At Least A Little Bit Of Money". Is the problem that mass media (ie. the people writing these articles and giving out these "awards") only see as far as the complimentary review copies of software that land on their desks?
Remember when the PC Magazine "Editor's Choice" award actually MEANT something? If we give out these awards too freely, they lose meaning. Worse yet, we may attribute to them a negative connotation, bringing to mind images of corporate sell-out, clandestine agreements behind the scenes, kickbacks for the "promotional value"... And then where do we land?
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The only thing that redhat has done for linux, in gerneral, is to saturate the linux userbase with clueless idiots who have no wanting to actually figure out what's actually going on behind their screen. If people want an operating system that has the "ease of use of windows", they should just stick with windows! Grr...
I know some slashdotters don't like RedHat because of its commercialism and what-not. But let's face it, people. Even if RedHat's not the best, even if other Linux distro's are more "pure" as far as open source software is concerned, we still need a company like RedHat. Why? Because the media attention and promotion of Linux caused by companies like Redhat is causing hardware vendors to start opening up specs to allow us to write drivers for.
Imagine a fearful picture of an MS-dominated world sometime in the would-have-been future, where not only we've Winmodems, but also Win-monitors, Win-keyboards, Win-harddrives, Win-CPUs... and all of them have proprietary interfaces which we cannot legally write GPL'd code for. Remember the "decommiditization of protocols" in the Halloween documents? We won't even have computers to run Linux on if that happened.
We gotta be grateful companies like Redhat came along and took Linux into the commercial world, so that, if nothing else, Linuxers are no longer an "insignificant niche" but a significant, thriving community. Even though I personally don't like RedHat Linux (I prefer Debian), they deserve a big "congratulations" from all of us.
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Or is it now "news" when a company's PR flacks put out a puff piece like this?
RedHat just proves how far Linux has outpaced all the other Unix vendors in the enterprise market.
big companies and IT organizations realize that Linux outperforms, outscales and outdoes every other commercial unix like solaris, irix, hpux etc.
let's review some facts:
linux/intel is the only truly scalable enterprise platform out there right now. sun lacks alot in this area, their overpriced and underperfoming Enterprise line just cannot stack up to intel xeon boxes running linux. couple that with the fact that the SMP implementation in Linux completely smokes Solaris in all aspects.
(refer to alan cox benchmarks/facts for proof of above...or just install redhat linux on a quad xeon and watch it blow away any sparc solaris machine you have)
way to go redhat, you are the true innovator in the enterprise market.
The link provided is a Press Release. (capitolized in full Microsoft-style) A press release is a written piece of information developed to raise investor awareness of how much said company can kick ass. This kickassyness equates to a higher stock price for a few weeks. Also to note, PR does not equal a story, nor is it correct to credit Yahoo! for the story.
Is it just me, or has slashdot gone downhill over the last few months. It isn't even really that cool of news anymore.
-- dieman - Scott Dier
In a sense, yes, it *IS* news when a Linux company has its act together enough to put out a press release like this.
How many of us work for technology companies that put out stunning products, but nobody ever hears about them? RedHat didn't skyrocket to great stock heights just because they have a Linux distribution that's easy to use: they also have a business model that makes sense, and PR people who know how to push the right buttons. Being a great tech company isn't about making great products - it's about getting the right spin. Think Micro$oft, for example. The press oohs and aahs over products with "less bugs than last year" because the reps are kind enough to show them how it works.
So many Linux users sit around and grumble about RedHat, but nobody ever thinks to talk to their local newspaper and invite the tech columnist to user's group meetings. The next time you have a Linux install party, think about inviting someone from your local media. You've read your local paper, right? The tech column is always horribly uninformed. Those guys are starving for information from people JUST LIKE YOU AND ME, and it's our job to get the good news out.
It's up to you and me, folks. Nobody else is writing press releases for your favorite distribution. Who's the local PR guy for Linux? YOU are. Show the press how it works, and it'll pay off.
What's your damage, Heather?
I've read quite a bit of flames about Redhat and about how they're becoming evil and all, and I was geniunely worried when they went public, because they went from a company that has a profit motive that is held among private citizens to a company that has a profit motive that is owned by the public. So far though, I think they're doing quite well.
It's not as if Bob Young and Co. just snickered to themselves, "Now that our evil IPO is complete, we can begin ruthlessly screwing the linux community muhahahahaha!!!!" but rather they kept doing the business that got them to where they are. And it's a good business. It employs poor hackers like me (disclaimer: "like" me. I don't work for redhat) and pays them to write free software. Now, I don't know how the rest of you coders out there feel, but for me that's tantamount to getting paid to drink guiness beer and watch the Simpsons. Maybe not as easy, but as enjoyable. I think you get the point.
The purpose of this was not to be a Redhat cheerleader, just to point out that if you really really want to, you can search the net and find a million places that endorse redhat (and I'm not talking about companies, but individuals) and talk about how much they do for the free software community, but the only place that I've really seen that *slams* redhat and calls them all of the filthy names that we tag onto companies we don't like is here on slashdot, either in the form of AC ranting, or in the form of off-the-cuff remarks about how they're growing into the role of the Linux Microsoft or whatever propaganda people are spouting these days.
Rob Malda, slashdot crew, and pos[t]ers, I'd like to see somebody write a coherent article about how redhat is supposedly evil and then defend it against coherent questions. Now, like I said, there have been numerous things written in favor of redhat, but nothing that really makes sense or has a reasonable logical flow that's been written against redhat. If they are evil, I'd like to see some concrete material on why. It's not inherently evil to buy another corp like Cygnus. It can be, but it isn't always.
I think the moral of the story with redhat is moral relativism. Nobody can point a finger at redhat and say "you did this, you did that" and claim that since microsoft has done the same thing in the past, redhat must be like microsoft. But rather, look at the current and long term impact of the action. It depends on the context and the affect of the action before somebody can come along and label it "evil".
Redhat makes a good product, plays nice with free software, (compared to you or your organization, what does YOUR free software output look like up against redhats?) and does all kinds of things for the community. Like the whole "letter" business. I've seen a lot of posters point out that they didn't have to do that, it wasn't even expected of them. But they took the time to do that.
I see redhat as not only contributing a lot, but occasionally holding out an olive branch to the ACs of the world by doing things it doesn't have to do. If you choose to throw it away and say they're evil anyway, just don't go getting quoted on large news outlet websites saying you represent the feeling of the community.
-- Truth goes out the door when rumor comes innuendo. -- Groucho Marx
I have been using RedHat as my Linux distro since 5.0 and I have never had to complaint.
Now would you please ADD some serious multilingual support fast?
I wanna be able to write, read Arabic and view web pages in that language! Netscape doesn't even do it.
There is only Microsoft out there right now for many languages in the world, even the major ones!
Good luck to REDHAT and LONG LIVE REDHAT! KING OF THE WORLD!
Kill Microsoft? No! Just hire their GUI guys!
One way RedHat makes its money is through retail cd-rom sets which include installation manuals and installation support, a little money comes in through web advertising, but most of it until recently was from support packages.
The recent acquisition of Cygnus, however, has enabled RedHat to diversify into developer tools, and both help itself and the Linux community as a whole, by combining the expertise of the two companies.
So, I say hooray for RedHat. Anyone who says otherwise can "talk to the hand, coz the face ain't listenin'." :-)
By then I was so curious about Linux that I went to the bookstore and bought the other available CD-ROM.
It was 5 RH release ago... My server has been running attached to the net for 5 years... It started out as a 486/16 Mb...
I am totally happy with RH ever since, it needed so little maintenance time, I remember that once it was running without rebooting for over a year :-)
I guess, I just did not have any good reason to try any other distribution. It could do everything I ever wanted to do, together with Apache (Stronghold), PHP and MySQL... Eventhough I had zero formal background, training in computer science or programming.
I can't be thankful enough for all the 'unknown' people who's hard work made that possible. Without them I just should have given up on many of my ideas, dreams which I've managed to accomplish.
Thanks everyone, who contributed even a single line of code...
This news, on a day that RHAT has gone higher than ever before, closing at 168 15/16, up 25 from yesterday. Cobalt isn't doing too bad either.
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I find the concept of sites that proudly display their awards to be ludicrous. Do I really care if your site won the Marketing Bastard's Cool Site of the Minute award? Whether your site is worth my time is a decision I'll make for myself.
Gates' Law: Every 18 months, the speed of software halves.
Those aren't facts, those are boasts. Fact is: I can install openbsd on more machines with less problems than redhat ever will.
I believe Linus mentioned that 'Redhat is quite good at getting publicity'. Wow, that's an understatement. We've now got a vastly overinflated distro company that has yet to see profit dollar one. Buying Cygnus with paper was the smartest thing they've done yet. Becoming tech support for Compaq etc. is probably a realistic way of creating modest income.
Giving more awards to a mutlibillion dollar redistro company is silly when the people who wrote the damn stuff can't afford a new comp., much less a new Ferrari...
Maybe acknowledge independent open source developers. Sick of all this Redhype stuff...
Proper multilingual support is most definitely one of the things that Red Hat is putting its people's time into. You might want to see the GNOME I18N information, and in particular, from that page, Owen Taylor's Internationalization in GTK+ whitepaper. To quote:
-- "Ever wonder why the SAME PEOPLE make up ALL the conspiracy theories?"
Perhaps the Slashdot people should be giving out awards. I think categories like "Best OS" "Largest Contribution" "Most Value" and "Most Ambitious" would be good.
For shipping the most broken half-finished implimentation of NFS that has ever existed and not labeling it as such.
RH 6.1 even has a new PPP dialer configuer in the installer now. And setting up PPP is kind of tedious normally, I think.
Then there's Alan Cox. The fact that he works for RH is a big plus. It says that the company has direction, and will not go off on some tangent.
Then there's the fact that the industry takes RH seriously. Just last week, I received a copy of Oracle 8i for RH 6.0. This is a big step. This program is not for other distributions, just for RM btw.
The point is, the software industry is finally taking Linux seriously, and it's not an expanding user base that is soley responsible for this. It's a serious company like RH that makes something like this possible.
While I agree that Red Hat has done great things :)
for the Linux world, I can't help but cringe when
I hear reports of "Red Hat, distributor of the Linux Operating System," as if they are the only game in town. This isn't their fault, of course, but I'm sure they don't mind. I suppose this is something that we'll just have to wait a while for the press to get a bit more of a clue about (or for Red Hat to take over the world
Redhat is probably the best thing that's happened to Linux. Nobody will ever following anything without a strong backer, and Redhat is it. With SGI hopping on board and the government's adoption of Linux that will follow, things will even get better. But it's Redhat that got the ball rolling, and Redhat that employs a lot of the full time kernel developers.. And that's good for all of us. Three cheers!
Amen, my brother. Red Hat has probably done more for GNU and the free software movement (public relations-wise) in the past year than FSF ever did in its history.
Keep on preaching it, Red Hat.
jon
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Some RedHat employees are really, really obnoxious. Some of the (former? Bob Young?) CEOs comments were obnoxious as well.
Overall, I have to say RedHat will take what they can from people (for free) and make a fat buck. What is theie distro up to now? $79 for the usual, $150 for the pro?
But I have to admit, for all the things that make me uncomfortable with RedHat, they really made the first easy-to-install distro, and led the Linux explosion. And depending who you get on the phone (hit or miss) they have some awesome employees, too.
So, overall, congrats to RedHat, and I hope they do better as far as giving back (by hiring more *nix programmers), lowering the distro cost, etc. What they really need is a visionary -- where's Linux's Steve Jobs? He has yet to appear.
i suspect, that as a USA company, they won't be able to grasp the whole linux thing the way Corel or Suse is going to do. Corel (as a Canadian company) and Suse (as a German company) are both probably a little more in tune with the linux philosophy, seeing as both of those countries have shown the ability to look past pure greed.
Linux needs an Open Source Steve Jobs, but I have no clue where that boy/girl will come from. I have yet to see a press release from any Linux company that has even a remote semblance of what Jobs can crank out.
When you have fun, and crank out the best possible product, everything else falls into place. That's what Jobs and McNealy say. I hope someday to be a good enough programmer to work for such people.
Applause for efforts? Huh? REd Hat is in it for one thing - the money. Do you think they are doing anything out of the goodness of their hearts? OF course not, they are there to make a buck. Nothing wrong with that -- but why should I applaud them? I would much sooner applaud the work of people who support Linux WITHOUT seeing any money any return.
I hear reports of "Red Hat, distributor of the Linux Operating System," as if they are the only game in town. This isn't their fault, of course, but I'm sure they don't mind.
Perhaps they don't mind, and perhaps it's not that big of an issue, but I think they should make an effort to stop things like this when they happen. Sure, we all know that Red Hat isn't the only distro of Linux, but I'm sure there are people out there who don't. And even so.. for those who do know, hearing things like this on a regular basis will start to pound the idea into their brain and form an association that may/may not be bad. Personally, I'd like to be open-minded about it all, and not have my subconcious mind go behind my back and start droning Red Hat all the time.. (Ok,.. I started <ranting>.. oops)
Insert mind here.
Yes, I know this is kinda OT, but it runs along the lines of giving awards to those who truly deserve it.
:) What I mean by that word is when a Slashdot post parodies an article that gets posted (see the Nothing but Net for 5 days thread), there's more than just information imparted there.
.sigs look most of the time) always has some real information to present.
:)
I was thinking it would be really cool to have some type of Slashdot User Award. Here's my rationale.
So many of us give so much information about so many topics away for free on this site. And it's not for any other reason but the fact that we pride ourselves on the information we are able to impart on others (and maybe that's why most us agree that the education system in America has gone down the drains - the teachers can't impart very good information). And it's not just information, but also "enlightenment." In no way do I mean a window manager or a religion (although when it comes to GNOME vs. KDE, it might swing either way
What I propose is that the people that really make a difference on Slashdot receive some type of a award. I don't mean everyone that gets a 5 gets an award, and I don't mean someone that doesn't get a lot of 5s doesn't get an award.
I could name a few people on Slashdot that have made a true difference in how I think about every other news story I read out there. Signal 11 is usually pretty funny, and the guy from Dox Para research (am I right? Sorry, I forget the name - i just remember people by the way their
And I don't mean this to say that "As a poster who has given others information, I feel I should be rewarded." I just think it would be nice to recognize those people that make a difference to the Slashdot community. Maybe send them a free T-Shirt. Or maybe some Penguin Mints
You should never take life too seriously - You'll never get out of it alive.
if you use red hat, like it, and want them to stay in business, consider paying for their product. this is the only way to prove wrong all the people who say open source companies cant make money. please, whatever distro you use, consider paying for it--you will be doing the right thing, and open source will live forever
That's kind of a trolling statment, but... The whole *POINT* of GPL and such is to allow business models EXACTLY LIKE what redhat does. They OPENLY and FREELY tell people that their stuff is available free, and they contribute back to the community like mad. And all nit-picking aside, their distribution *IS* good, and IMHO, having used linux for 8 years, and seen many many distros and attempts at distros, RedHat really set the precedent for a good, organized distro. Nowadays, others have equally, or better, organized distros, but that's beside the point. As for Linux and Open Source doing just 'fine', well, that depends on your goals I guess. I think RedHat has *absolutely* had a big effect on how things have gone, though, redhat would not have made-or-broke the system. Those 1000s of prgrammers you talk about didn't ASK for a penny, either.
The Winter holidays are coming shortly. Isn't it about time for a professionaly produced heart warming commercial from "The Internet" about the virtues of Linux?
Maybe something with a wide variety of ethnicities from around the world running Red Hat Linux?
It would be beautiful!
-- Torment
Not everyone wants (or is able) to hack configuration files, my friends, and if we want World Domination, that means getting everybody into the tent, including those who can't find the "any" key on the keyboard.
I'm a May 1, 1999 Linux newbie, but I've been loading DOS batch files into my ramdisk since 1985 and was setting environmental strings for batch file variables within six months
I unabashedly love Linux, like GNOME even if it isn't as robust as KDE and sincerely hope that if Sid Meier can be convinced to port his games to Linux I can then use my Windows 98 CD for skeet shooting practice.
I've read Mastering LINUX (paperback and Platinum hardcover), Maddog's LINUX for Dummies (2nd Ed), the 3rd edition of O'Reilly's Running LINUX and I've had a hoot with the HOWTOs and the LINUX Documentation Project. I have no intention of recompiling my kernel, nor learning C++ nor Perl and am a proud owner of Corel WordPerfect 8 for Linux, which program I've used in various incarnations in the last fourteen years. I got Red Hat 6.0 installed without a single call to support, although I had to spend about a week on-line reading in order to pull it off. In brief, I'm one of the new breed of non-UNIX based non-Computer Science Linux newbies, respectful of those who have brought me here but not planning to learn vi or ed and someone less likely to awk or grep than startx, although I used emacs to read Stephenson's essay on the command line (loved that image of Linux people giving away tanks!).
So it's time to accept that World Domination entails a lot of people entering the Sacred Groves who will ask why they can't get a cheeseburger just like the one they can get in Redmond, people who will not even learn to run scripts, much less compile non-RPM source files. But these people would never have even wandered into the Sacred Groves without a big, fat neon Red Hat blinking over one of the most visible entrances, saying "Free Tanks, any color as long as it's red".
The Barbarians are at the gates!
And yes, this is a Good Thing. Thank you, Red Hat.
I have tried several RH distros over the years and never liked them. But yes, they do a great evangelistic job and, lets face it, they are probably aiming at an audience set that does not include me! Linux, the OS that lets you choose distros with the ease you would select a desktop theme!
They bought the stupid RSA license and now you can use a secure apache for a hundred bucks (plus the key of course). This is a very significant although much overlooked developement. Now we don't have to pay stronghold a thousand dollars.
War is necrophilia.
My first question to her would be "like, can I recompile your kernel, if you know what I mean?"
MICROSOFT (TM): It's not just a bad idea, it's against the law.
Be sure not to break your arms patting yourselves on your back.. Then you won't be able to hack kernel sources and stuff!
:-)
On that note what the hell is up with the RH Stock prices?? Hit $175 a share yesterday and closed at almost $169!!!!!!! Just a bunch of people buying due to buzzword bingo or what?????????
cheers,
Hey I'd like to run a company where someone else does the work and I collect all of the money too. Well you can do it. In fact you can sell the Redhat distribution of Linux without even paying them. What else do you want ? Seriously, if there is a company that should deserve ppl support, that company is RedHat. Everything they do is GPL. Look at GNOME. Other destributions took the easy way and bundle KDE (even before QT2 - which is not a free license from my point of view). RedHat hired a lot of programmers for helping GNOME development. They could perfectly use the money spent on GNOME to hire programmers for doing a fancy installer (like Caldera did). However they prefered to stand for GPL and do the Linux comunity a BIG service. For me is "thanx RedHat". For the newcomers who really don't seem to understand what free software means : GET A CLUE.
You know, the other commercial distributions -- whether you Red Hat people like it or not -- have done TONS of stuff for the free software community, from developing X servers to developing sound drivers, offering enhancements to kernels, funding development of popular package management systems (*COUGHRPMCOUGH*), etc. They help LUGs get on their feet, they fund the trade shows that have given Linux the exposure it has today, they brought commercial software companies to Linux BEFORE RED HAT EVER DID, etc.
However...
I find it absolutely amazing how many people do the rah-rah cheerleading thing for Red Hat when they do this kind of stuff, yet the exact same people say "if Caldera or SuSE were in Red Hat's shoes, I'd be terrified".
Why?? Companies who catered to businesses instead of hackers got Linux where it is today; Red Hat had in-roads to developers inside these commercial companies, they got the ports first, so they got the first releases. The same time this was happening, Red Hat trashed the more business oriented Linux distributions for not keeping with the spirit of open source (laughable; they all kept the spirit just the same).
I'm not saying this as a negative toward Red Hat, although there is a strong temptation to do so. I am merely trying to show you people (and you KNOW WHO YOU ARE) that there is severe hypocrisy going on now that Red Hat is the company you people have been painting Caldera and SuSE as being. The track records of ALL COMMERCIAL LINUX DISTRIBUTIONS are the SAME; they all contribute to open source projects, they all do some closed source commercial work (including Red Hat. Deal with it), and they all contribute to the greater good of Linux.
My prediction: When Caldera and SuSE go public, you'll be severely tempted to wave the "end of Linux as we know it" flags that you slashdotters seem to love waving whenever there are Caldera or SuSE stories posted here. Keep in mind that all your Red Hat accolades are archived, and they'll come back to haunt you if you are not careful.
I had tried Linix in the form of Redhat 5.2, only to find it didn't support my video card. Recently, I read 6.1 included support, so I tried it out. I have to say that the install was pretty damn easy. The only vaguely confusing thing was, since my USB mouse doesn't work, I plugged in an old mouse I had. When "choose your mouse" came up, I turned it over, read "Intellimouse 2.1A", chose M$ bus mouse 2.1A or higher from the menu, only to find later it didn't work. A reinstall with choosing "PS/2" mouse (DUH!) worked fine.
RH 6.1 detected my networked cable modem perfectly. I just chose "use DHCP" and "start automatically" and went to town. To try to get the "newbie" experience, I choose "graphical login." It was just like booting Win98!, you see a bunch of text crap go by, and up pops some windows (note the small "w").
I have to say, I am really impressed so far. Linux has come a LONG way on the ease of install since I've seen it last. (I drank beer once while I watched some guys install linux 2 years ago -- all night long and it never worked).
Anyway, I am a certified M$ developer (and regular slashdot reader/poster), who just wanted to say this is pretty neat and wanted to share it with my friends here at slashdot (that was, of course, the first place I went when Netscape came up). Now if they'd only port VB to Linux......:)
DO NOT DISTURB THE SE
Don't try to mislead. Linux was not invented to help RH to skyrock their share price, to beat MS. It was designed to solve developers' own problems. This is the basic reason that Linux is in high quality -- nobody want to cheat themsleves. Why should we help RH? Yes, it skyrockted their share price. So what? Does that make Linux developer rich? I dare to guess that all Linux developers' personal wealth put together is less than Bob's. Developer want to help Linux development because they can share the solutions. Why should we help RH when we know that it never share the solution [profits] with us? RH disconnect the link between users and developers and steal all the credits [Award] from developers. I just don't know why we should thank them for doing this.