Sure. Like this guy can just put it up on eBay and get anywhere close to a million. It's value is the couple hundred they cost. Even still, isn't there some service you must sign up for? MS can just shut out that serial number or whatever.
And I'm completely sure Microsoft shipped it with every research document they have and they could not put another one together. Here we were so close to utterly destroying Microsoft, and failed. I doubt we'll have another chance like this for several more years.
It's the same calculator used to determine that Microsoft and every other software, music, video company lost trillions and trillions of dollars every day because of pirating.
Even if the WebTV was made out of gold and diamonds, it'd be tough to get it's value up to a million short of putting a money order/cashier's check inside. But I can see it in a future Sunday ads, "Browse the web from the comfort of your couch. This brand new model WebTV can be yours for only $999,999.99." Then while walking down the aisle some old couple see it, "Oh look honey, it's not even a million dollars, let's get a couple." Of course, it's another $200,000 for the maintenance deal, and $70,000 for sales tax.
Can anyone guess where this catch phrase came from? If you do, read it thoroughly. Unless the Slashdot crew is the US Congress and they pass a censorship law, they can censor all they want with no retribution.:)
Yes, and the next time he's out driving, he'll think of this very moment, a tear will form in his eye, while wiping it, he'll drift into the oncoming lane and well, you get the picture...
And then the headlines start, "Slashdot kills man," "Q murderer succombs to the Slashdot effect."
Actually, your post reminds me how damned crazy/politically correct people are today. Every little thing will utterly ruin one's psyche forever and ever. The same nonsense of doing away with validictorians or any awards for fear everyone else will be depressed and commit suicide. How have humans survived for millions of years if we are SO fragile like this?
Imagine all the sweet web pages you'll be able to view with one of those puppies. That alone will be well worth the $1000 they'll be charging for it in the beginning...
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Not to mention of course, the P3 speeds up your Internet access. You can play games with it. There's nothing it can't do. Here I sit with this new Athlon, and what can it do? Nothing, except maybe compile a kernel in 2 minutes and change. Pfft. Kernels, who needs 'em.
Variety in names seem too hard to come by in many free software projects. Gnome/KDE apps all stick a "g" or "k" in front of a simple name, or twist things around their non-free counterpart, GPG, CSSC, etc. Now people, come up with better names! FreeMWare is a blatant plug of VMware, can't we be a little more creative? Harmony, being the same sort of project, at least didn't pick Tq for a name. Or, imagine if every FPS were named Doom, Doomed, Doomie, BoomDoom, DoomBoom, Room, Toom, Doom-a-ding-dong.
This reminds me of posts I've seen on Tivo-related newsgroups/websites/etc. A small group of people sit back and demand every little feature under the sun, just because they are a "commercial" company. Like every commercial company has MS's resources.:)
At least once a week someone posts on the Tivo newsgroup, "I refuse to buy one until it supports every bizwang feature of my brand X satellite box, and has firewire port for my digital video camera, and can connect to my PC and do every video-editing feature there can possibly be, and record from a minimum of five sources at once, and make me a bowl of ice cream when South Park airs, and change my car's oil exactly every 3000 miles, and allow me to open it up and do anything I want, and put bigger hard drives in it. Oh, and $500 is too much, lower the price. OR I WON'T BUY IT! ARRRGGGGGGGH." (like these people ever intend to buy it).
Tivo/VMware are good products right now, if that's what you need. $100 for VMware isn't an extreme amount of money. Hell, your average Linux sys admin can pull in that much in an hour or two of work.
That's not to take away from Freemware, or any open source project. But likewise, don't sit back and bitch/moan because it doesn't have X feature if you're not willing to put a little into it.
Or mount it in Linux, share it with Samba, then install VMware on a virtual disk and copy what you want from the partition over. This way you don't need to trash your Windows system. You can toy with things in VMware, and no harm can come to the Windows partition.
On the other hand, IDE drives are so damned cheap nowadays, pick up one. For $200, I've got 20g of various backup/temp/nonessential space while my main system runs on a couple SCSIs. Though the biggest bitch with virtual disks, is you're limited to the 2gig file size. For me, I don't need much in VMware, so it isn't a big concern.
Is any of these 3D enhancements in XF86 snapshots already? If they're targetting mid-Q1, that'd be Feb 15 basically. You'd think there would be snapshots with it for plenty of people to test. If they haven't yet, can it be written/tested properly in only two months?
I got a TNT2u recently and tried a quake3 demo. The timed demo deal came up with a whopping 12 fps. Is that normal, or am I crazy? It was pretty with all the coloring and stuff, but come now. My old K6/300, Win95, Voodoo2 was doing a lot more. It doesn't have to be 500 fps like everything in the game magazines are, just a little closer.:)
I think his point was that most Linux people will take it even if it's not fully supported on the tech support lines. For those pointy-hairs in game companies out there that don't want to fill their knowledge databases will Linux entries. Are there any tech support lines that are more than reading from their database and asking you to reboot it and try again?
Now there's a sweet game without any of this key business. Heck, you don't even need the CD after installing it.:) Yet, somehow they sell billions * and have a big following. I think much of that was due to it's cheapness ($19.99), and being fun. Hmm, even those deer huntin' games are like $19.99 and are in the top 10 sold games all the time. I think there's a trend there somewhere. Anyway, hopefully Tribes 2 will follow in the tradition.
Hey! There's TVs, stereos, and bags of Doritos being held captive in stores all over this sad country! Let them be free, I say, let them be free!! It's about time someone put a stop to this cruelty.
So, to wrap up the general Slashdot attitudes, any software that not given a free software license ala the GPL, be they hardware drivers, office suits, video games, etc, is crap because it's not truely "free." Only when all software is free will there be peace on this earth.
If software is written and given a free license, well that's not good enough. It must also be proprietary-compatible. If you can't write proprietary software with said software, there's no hope of advancing the operating system. The only reason this software was given a license that's too free is because they want nothing but world domination, the greedy sons-of-bitches. Doing it to give free software developers an edge, shyeah, it's all a front. God forbid they go IPO, that's just further proof they are Microsoft.
Hmm, there seems to be missing a license that is free only if you write proprietary apps. I shall call this the Private General License.
Any software that doesn't suit me, need not exist and is evil. If I think every app in the world should include some feature, and some crazy developer(s) can't include said feature, well it just shows their ignorance, doesn't it? I mean, how dare they not include this feature? It is purely out of spite. Spite for me, spite for you, and spite for the rocks in my driveway.
That pretty much covers all these posts. No wonder some people are hesitant to enter into this "community."
Yes, better names would be much nicer. Feel free to email the author of apps some suggestions. Often it's just easy/lazy to name your app "kpacman" than say Kapman. After you've spent many, many hours writing something, you don't want to struggle over a name...
On the other hand, names starting with a K like Konqueror, Kicker, etc are ok to me. I have no idea what a cervisia is, but I like it better than kcvs.:)
The distinction between "free" and "professional" edition exists, as it always did.
The difference between the two versions is the license. Users of a closed-source app need not spend $1500 on the "professional" Qt to only run it. The Qt Free Edition is licensed with the QPL, the Qt Professional version is licensed with some other license that (I assume) allows you to keep the sources closed.
The intent behind QPL is stated as allowing the development of non-commercial software with it; for anything commercial, you have to pay. ("The QPL prohibits the development of proprietary software.")
Yes. So they want a few bucks for the work they have put into it. If an app you're developing is so great that you seriously believe people will send you money for it, $1500 is trivial. Selling minor apps (like shareware apps in Windows) to the Linux community is going to be so damned difficult, it's not worth the bother, you might as well release it as free software. To sell a Linux app it must be so very wonderful, and likewise, you'll makewell over $1500 if it is.
If you read the "Free Qt Foundation" document carefully, you will see that the foundation can only grant a BSD-style license on Qt by unanimous vote of its members; what kind of safety is that?
I don't really get your complaint here. Is it that a unanimous decision must be made? It's a small group, and that wouldn't be too hard. If the situation came to this point, they will come to a conclusion that is in the best interest of the free software community. And BSD-style licenses let you do a lot more than the (L)GPL. Make all you want to your closed-source heart's content.
Yes. The new panel, kicker, lets you replace the pager, task list, and clock with whatever you want. As well, applets can be written to do just about anything in the panel. I've worked on a simple news ticker, I've seen others talk of things like process meters. With KDE2, we're going for as much configurability as insanely possible.:)
The problem with this is how to handle the differences between the two environments? Themes only using simple things like icons, background pics, window borders could be hacked to work on both environments using a conversion script or so. But with Qt2/KDE2, they are working to make every freakin' widget themable. What do you do when a theme has a new design for the titlebar or scrollbar (which is written in C++, not just a pixmap slapped up there)? Or if some widget hasn't got theme support in the toolkit of one yet? These are problems that you run into when you have two separate toolkits. The two will never be 100% the same, so making themes will not ever be 100% perfect on both.
Now, if a theme designer were to spend a little time tweaking it as necessary on each environment, the theme can be made to behave similarly on each. But it will not be just File->Save As->GNOME Theme and File->Save As->KDE Theme. The core library developers put the framework to configure everything, it's up to the artistically talented folks to use it to the best. Often programming and artistic talent aren't contained in the same person.:)
No, they just borrowed some of the code from the KDE 1.x HTML renderer. After a little squabble of removing copyright notices, it's all good now. Why they didn't use the better html code in KDE2, I don't know. But that's the beauty of free software, everyone can benefit from good work.
Well, how about designing a whole new "look"? Even if you can't program a line of code, draw up some shots in gimp or something. Do SOMETHING constructive rather than whining because others aren't fulfilling your wishes. If it looks interesting enough, some developers out there will find a way to program it. Users can start ideas, but whining gets you nowhere.
As a developer, I can tell you I have zero artistic talent.:) I know many in my situation as well. So, for us, coming up with a revolutionary way to draw all this stuff on the screen is difficult. I can write a program to connect to a MySQL database, browse web pages, etc. But make it look pretty, that's a whole other matter.
The theming in these desktop environments are mostly about having everything configurable. It's always good to allow users to change the way a program works, even these trivial points. You don't like the ugly grey checkbox, draw a pixmap and voila (more or less), every KDE app you run will use that instead of the plain one. For everything but the core libraries, it is completely trivial. You just put a button in your app, Qt and such do the core work of drawing it, either the plain kind, or a themed one. This is so programmers do work on the essense of their app and making it work perfectly and don't have to spend hours figuring out how to import a pixmap.
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Sure. Like this guy can just put it up on eBay and get anywhere close to a million. It's value is the couple hundred they cost. Even still, isn't there some service you must sign up for? MS can just shut out that serial number or whatever.
And I'm completely sure Microsoft shipped it with every research document they have and they could not put another one together. Here we were so close to utterly destroying Microsoft, and failed. I doubt we'll have another chance like this for several more years.
It's the same calculator used to determine that Microsoft and every other software, music, video company lost trillions and trillions of dollars every day because of pirating.
Even if the WebTV was made out of gold and diamonds, it'd be tough to get it's value up to a million short of putting a money order/cashier's check inside. But I can see it in a future Sunday ads, "Browse the web from the comfort of your couch. This brand new model WebTV can be yours for only $999,999.99." Then while walking down the aisle some old couple see it, "Oh look honey, it's not even a million dollars, let's get a couple." Of course, it's another $200,000 for the maintenance deal, and $70,000 for sales tax.
Can anyone guess where this catch phrase came from? If you do, read it thoroughly. Unless the Slashdot crew is the US Congress and they pass a censorship law, they can censor all they want with no retribution. :)
Yes, and the next time he's out driving, he'll think of this very moment, a tear will form in his eye, while wiping it, he'll drift into the oncoming lane and well, you get the picture...
And then the headlines start, "Slashdot kills man," "Q murderer succombs to the Slashdot effect."
Actually, your post reminds me how damned crazy/politically correct people are today. Every little thing will utterly ruin one's psyche forever and ever. The same nonsense of doing away with validictorians or any awards for fear everyone else will be depressed and commit suicide. How have humans survived for millions of years if we are SO fragile like this?
You forgot, "Stat!"
Imagine all the sweet web pages you'll be able to view with one of those puppies. That alone will be well worth the $1000 they'll be charging for it in the beginning...
Not to mention of course, the P3 speeds up your Internet access. You can play games with it. There's nothing it can't do. Here I sit with this new Athlon, and what can it do? Nothing, except maybe compile a kernel in 2 minutes and change. Pfft. Kernels, who needs 'em.
Variety in names seem too hard to come by in many free software projects. Gnome/KDE apps all stick a "g" or "k" in front of a simple name, or twist things around their non-free counterpart, GPG, CSSC, etc. Now people, come up with better names! FreeMWare is a blatant plug of VMware, can't we be a little more creative? Harmony, being the same sort of project, at least didn't pick Tq for a name. Or, imagine if every FPS were named Doom, Doomed, Doomie, BoomDoom, DoomBoom, Room, Toom, Doom-a-ding-dong.
This reminds me of posts I've seen on Tivo-related newsgroups/websites/etc. A small group of people sit back and demand every little feature under the sun, just because they are a "commercial" company. Like every commercial company has MS's resources. :)
At least once a week someone posts on the Tivo newsgroup, "I refuse to buy one until it supports every bizwang feature of my brand X satellite box, and has firewire port for my digital video camera, and can connect to my PC and do every video-editing feature there can possibly be, and record from a minimum of five sources at once, and make me a bowl of ice cream when South Park airs, and change my car's oil exactly every 3000 miles, and allow me to open it up and do anything I want, and put bigger hard drives in it. Oh, and $500 is too much, lower the price. OR I WON'T BUY IT! ARRRGGGGGGGH." (like these people ever intend to buy it).
Tivo/VMware are good products right now, if that's what you need. $100 for VMware isn't an extreme amount of money. Hell, your average Linux sys admin can pull in that much in an hour or two of work.
That's not to take away from Freemware, or any open source project. But likewise, don't sit back and bitch/moan because it doesn't have X feature if you're not willing to put a little into it.
Or mount it in Linux, share it with Samba, then install VMware on a virtual disk and copy what you want from the partition over. This way you don't need to trash your Windows system. You can toy with things in VMware, and no harm can come to the Windows partition.
On the other hand, IDE drives are so damned cheap nowadays, pick up one. For $200, I've got 20g of various backup/temp/nonessential space while my main system runs on a couple SCSIs. Though the biggest bitch with virtual disks, is you're limited to the 2gig file size. For me, I don't need much in VMware, so it isn't a big concern.
Is any of these 3D enhancements in XF86 snapshots already? If they're targetting mid-Q1, that'd be Feb 15 basically. You'd think there would be snapshots with it for plenty of people to test. If they haven't yet, can it be written/tested properly in only two months?
I got a TNT2u recently and tried a quake3 demo. The timed demo deal came up with a whopping 12 fps. Is that normal, or am I crazy? It was pretty with all the coloring and stuff, but come now. My old K6/300, Win95, Voodoo2 was doing a lot more. It doesn't have to be 500 fps like everything in the game magazines are, just a little closer. :)
I think his point was that most Linux people will take it even if it's not fully supported on the tech support lines. For those pointy-hairs in game companies out there that don't want to fill their knowledge databases will Linux entries. Are there any tech support lines that are more than reading from their database and asking you to reboot it and try again?
Now there's a sweet game without any of this key business. Heck, you don't even need the CD after installing it. :) Yet, somehow they sell billions * and have a big following. I think much of that was due to it's cheapness ($19.99), and being fun. Hmm, even those deer huntin' games are like $19.99 and are in the top 10 sold games all the time. I think there's a trend there somewhere. Anyway, hopefully Tribes 2 will follow in the tradition.
* Margin of error, +/- a few billion.
Hey! There's TVs, stereos, and bags of Doritos being held captive in stores all over this sad country! Let them be free, I say, let them be free!! It's about time someone put a stop to this cruelty.
Nothing says "Don't let China in the WTO" better than taking a new TV and a bag of Doritos from you local merchants. I know I'm convinced now.
... And continues today with such greats as Cow & Chicken.
So, to wrap up the general Slashdot attitudes, any software that not given a free software license ala the GPL, be they hardware drivers, office suits, video games, etc, is crap because it's not truely "free." Only when all software is free will there be peace on this earth.
If software is written and given a free license, well that's not good enough. It must also be proprietary-compatible. If you can't write proprietary software with said software, there's no hope of advancing the operating system. The only reason this software was given a license that's too free is because they want nothing but world domination, the greedy sons-of-bitches. Doing it to give free software developers an edge, shyeah, it's all a front. God forbid they go IPO, that's just further proof they are Microsoft.
Hmm, there seems to be missing a license that is free only if you write proprietary apps. I shall call this the Private General License.
Any software that doesn't suit me, need not exist and is evil. If I think every app in the world should include some feature, and some crazy developer(s) can't include said feature, well it just shows their ignorance, doesn't it? I mean, how dare they not include this feature? It is purely out of spite. Spite for me, spite for you, and spite for the rocks in my driveway.
That pretty much covers all these posts. No wonder some people are hesitant to enter into this "community."
Yes, better names would be much nicer. Feel free to email the author of apps some suggestions. Often it's just easy/lazy to name your app "kpacman" than say Kapman. After you've spent many, many hours writing something, you don't want to struggle over a name...
:)
On the other hand, names starting with a K like Konqueror, Kicker, etc are ok to me. I have no idea what a cervisia is, but I like it better than kcvs.
The distinction between "free" and "professional" edition exists, as it always did.
The difference between the two versions is the license. Users of a closed-source app need not spend $1500 on the "professional" Qt to only run it. The Qt Free Edition is licensed with the QPL, the Qt Professional version is licensed with some other license that (I assume) allows you to keep the sources closed.
The intent behind QPL is stated as allowing the development of non-commercial software with it; for anything commercial, you have to pay. ("The QPL prohibits the development of proprietary software.")
Yes. So they want a few bucks for the work they have put into it. If an app you're developing is so great that you seriously believe people will send you money for it, $1500 is trivial. Selling minor apps (like shareware apps in Windows) to the Linux community is going to be so damned difficult, it's not worth the bother, you might as well release it as free software. To sell a Linux app it must be so very wonderful, and likewise, you'll makewell over $1500 if it is.
If you read the "Free Qt Foundation" document carefully, you will see that the foundation can only grant a BSD-style license on Qt by unanimous vote of its members; what kind of safety is that?
I don't really get your complaint here. Is it that a unanimous decision must be made? It's a small group, and that wouldn't be too hard. If the situation came to this point, they will come to a conclusion that is in the best interest of the free software community. And BSD-style licenses let you do a lot more than the (L)GPL. Make all you want to your closed-source heart's content.
Yes. The new panel, kicker, lets you replace the pager, task list, and clock with whatever you want. As well, applets can be written to do just about anything in the panel. I've worked on a simple news ticker, I've seen others talk of things like process meters. With KDE2, we're going for as much configurability as insanely possible. :)
The problem with this is how to handle the differences between the two environments? Themes only using simple things like icons, background pics, window borders could be hacked to work on both environments using a conversion script or so. But with Qt2/KDE2, they are working to make every freakin' widget themable. What do you do when a theme has a new design for the titlebar or scrollbar (which is written in C++, not just a pixmap slapped up there)? Or if some widget hasn't got theme support in the toolkit of one yet? These are problems that you run into when you have two separate toolkits. The two will never be 100% the same, so making themes will not ever be 100% perfect on both.
:)
Now, if a theme designer were to spend a little time tweaking it as necessary on each environment, the theme can be made to behave similarly on each. But it will not be just File->Save As->GNOME Theme and File->Save As->KDE Theme. The core library developers put the framework to configure everything, it's up to the artistically talented folks to use it to the best. Often programming and artistic talent aren't contained in the same person.
No, they just borrowed some of the code from the KDE 1.x HTML renderer. After a little squabble of removing copyright notices, it's all good now. Why they didn't use the better html code in KDE2, I don't know. But that's the beauty of free software, everyone can benefit from good work.
Well, how about designing a whole new "look"? Even if you can't program a line of code, draw up some shots in gimp or something. Do SOMETHING constructive rather than whining because others aren't fulfilling your wishes. If it looks interesting enough, some developers out there will find a way to program it. Users can start ideas, but whining gets you nowhere.
:) I know many in my situation as well. So, for us, coming up with a revolutionary way to draw all this stuff on the screen is difficult. I can write a program to connect to a MySQL database, browse web pages, etc. But make it look pretty, that's a whole other matter.
As a developer, I can tell you I have zero artistic talent.
The theming in these desktop environments are mostly about having everything configurable. It's always good to allow users to change the way a program works, even these trivial points. You don't like the ugly grey checkbox, draw a pixmap and voila (more or less), every KDE app you run will use that instead of the plain one. For everything but the core libraries, it is completely trivial. You just put a button in your app, Qt and such do the core work of drawing it, either the plain kind, or a themed one. This is so programmers do work on the essense of their app and making it work perfectly and don't have to spend hours figuring out how to import a pixmap.