Um, the beauty of all the Unixes is that one can choose any sort of interface they want. If you like something else, great. If some people like KDE, they can use it.
What's with this attitude of, "I don't like it, therefore no one shall use it?" With Windows, you're stuck at one interface, basically. The wide array of choices in Unix environments is what many people like.
And some of KDE's programs are great at simplifying certain configuration. Take kppp. I already have pppd setup and running, but I went ahead and took a look at what all the excitement was with it. I must say, it's a pretty cool tool. I had my net connection up and running in a couple minutes, no headaches. But, many people still don't want things like Linux to spread to new groups of people (who have been coddled to death with Windows), so they hate anything that does this.
Anyway, my point is if you don't like it, don't use it. But why demand it be wiped from existence?
No, it's quite customary for Slashdotters to bash everything not GPL. I remember this one widget library that announced it would use a quite open license. It is still hated by them...
My personal proxy was able to pull DES packets down, but my clients don't seem to want to start them. They were giving that same message about 1715, but that just hit and now they say something like:
Why should I have to crawl through manpages just to figure out how to quit a program? (vi, emacs)
Pico, jed to name a couple. The sequences to exit are right there at the bottom. Not to mention the wide array of X editors, where it's as simple as File->Exit or something similar. Vi and the like were made by programmers to help them do geeky things. Because they do these geeky things, they aren't always so adept at typing an email or something other people do. So, use the right tool for the job.
Why should I have to learn a bunch of esoteric commands to do even basic file management? (pick any shell, or any CLI at all for that matter)
Again, X apps. KDE (and GNOME I guess, haven't gotten around to using it myself) have all the file management things to make it as simple as drag/drop.
Why should I have to use three buttons on a mouse to do functions which can be performed with only one, or two at the most?
Why only use two when there's three on the mouse? And who on earth can't double-click (what most Win mouse drivers use the middle button for)? It's been a while since I used xfig, but I'm sure there's other programs that do it better.
Why should I have to search for hidden menus which should be right in plain view? (Gimp)
Gimp isn't at all a marvel of user-interface design. It's good at what it does, but the UI is lacking. But not every program is like that. Here I sit in Netscape, things are quite straight forward. And along the lines of the first question above, Gimp is a mighty tool, but if you don't need/want to learn it, find something simpler.
Why should I have to completely recompile almost every single piece of software I download from the Internet, rather than have at least a stock installation possible in something I can use right away? (Linux, *BSD, etc.)
I'm building a 486 DX2/66 for my sister. RedHat 5.1 installation went very smoothely. Their X configure thing during the install was as simple as selecting the chipset (though I had to look at the video card to figure that out). After a reboot, I created a user account, did startx and voila, fvwm2 was up and running in X.
On this 400mb hard drive, I've now got X, KDE, etc running quite well. And still 72mb to spare. There's no gcc et al. There are tons of RPMs and the like on sites all over the world, if you do a little looking. It is possible to have a system without compiling anything, but then you lose that bit of control. If you have RedHat and stick with RPMs from their ftps, you probably won't trash too much.
The answer. I shouldn't.
This is the Unix way: the way which makes everything unnecessarily difficult because it keeps the unwashed masses bowing at our feet, begging us to use what we have rendered them unable to. Could anything be more immoral?
You aren't seeing it correctly. Unix was built by prorgammers and geeks to make THEIR lives easier. Things are just now coming around for the average user with KDE/GNOME. But it is because of those geeks that there is a solid foundation of an OS. KDE has a wide variety of applications now that I can give this 486 to my sister so she can play solitaire and email the rest of the family, as well as tons of other things. This is a usable system, and trust me, she won't need to learn vi.:)
Give it a try again, keeping these points in mind. Or maybe once the 2.2 kernel is out, and KDE 1.1 is available.
Why should I have to crawl through manpages just to figure out how to quit a program? (vi, emacs)
Pico, jed to name a couple. The sequences to exit are right there at the bottom. Not to mention the wide array of X editors, where it's as simple as File->Exit or something similar. Vi and the like were made by programmers to help them do geeky things. Because they do these geeky things, they aren't always so adept at typing an email or something other people do. So, use the right tool for the job.
Why should I have to learn a bunch of esoteric commands to do even basic file management? (pick any shell, or any CLI at all for that matter)
Again, X apps. KDE (and GNOME I guess, haven't gotten around to using it myself) have all the file management things to make it as simple as drag/drop.
Why should I have to use three buttons on a mouse to do functions which can be performed with only one, or two at the most?
Why only use two when there's three on the mouse? And who on earth can't double-click (what most Win mouse drivers use the middle button for)? It's been a while since I used xfig, but I'm sure there's other programs that do it better.
Why should I have to search for hidden menus which should be right in plain view? (Gimp)
Gimp isn't at all a marvel of user-interface design. It's good at what it does, but the UI is lacking. But not every program is like that. Here I sit in Netscape, things are quite straight forward. And along the lines of the first question above, Gimp is a mighty tool, but if you don't need/want to learn it, find something simpler.
Why should I have to completely recompile almost every single piece of software I download from the Internet, rather than have at least a stock installation possible in something I can use right away? (Linux, *BSD, etc.)
I'm building a 486 DX2/66 for my sister. RedHat 5.1 installation went very smoothely. Their X configure thing during the install was as simple as selecting the chipset (though I had to look at the video card to figure that out). After a reboot, I created a user account, did startx and voila, fvwm2 was up and running in X.
On this 400mb hard drive, I've now got X, KDE, etc running quite well. And still 72mb to spare. There's no gcc et al. There are tons of RPMs and the like on sites all over the world, if you do a little looking. It is possible to have a system without compiling anything, but then you lose that bit of control. If you have RedHat and stick with RPMs from their ftps, you probably won't trash too much.
The answer. I shouldn't.
This is the Unix way: the way which makes everything unnecessarily difficult because it keeps the unwashed masses bowing at our feet, begging us to use what we have rendered them unable to. Could anything be more immoral?
You aren't seeing it correctly. Unix was built by prorgammers and geeks to make THEIR lives easier. Things are just now coming around for the average user with KDE/GNOME. But it is because of those geeks that there is a solid foundation of an OS. KDE has a wide variety of applications now that I can give this 486 to my sister so she can play solitaire and email the rest of the family, as well as tons of other things. This is a usable system, and trust me, she won't need to learn vi.:)
Give it a try again, keeping these points in mind. Or maybe once the 2.2 kernel is out, and KDE 1.1 is available.
Delphi is pretty cool for dealing with Windows. Heck, in 15 minutes I had a spiffy little program put together as a joke, and got way out of hand... 1000 people or so still think an N64 emulator can be had in a 100k zip dated nearly 2 years ago.
Yes, Qt is easy to pick up, and the documentation on their site is decent. And then KDE isn't hard to pick up afterwards. Before you know it, you've got a spiffy little application going.
Ah, the memories. I can remember my first COBOL class, where adding was "simple" to the teacher:
ADD A TO B RESULTING IN C
Being a math/CS major, I was insulted (what's so hard about c=a+b in ?) and soon figured I could con other people to giving the assignments to me in exchange for C/C++ homework and the like.
and the ability to change user passwords on any Samba or Microsoft Windows NT ® server.
Aww, still can't change passwords from the user's NT/95 via the usual means for those systems? I assume they mean the User Mangler for Domains when they mention NT server. Wouldn't it use the same messages when changing the password via NT/95 workstations?
Unfortunately, modern America is more worried about being able to use foul language and such than doing anything productive. Say you want people to be civil, they do everything they can to not.
Why can't there be a site where calm rational people can discuss/debate the latest in Linux or Open Source news that I wouldn't be afraid to refer my bosses to do research on this whole Linux thing? Where there's more than just "I don't approve of this mf'ing article, slashdot sucks" or describing varied methods of killing Bill Gates.
If we want Linux or OSS to be embraced by professional organizations and world dominance, we'll have to work mighty hard to extinguish this image of it being for punk/hippy kids just out to get MS. Linux is powerful in its own right, not just because it's not Windows.
I guess it's as the old addage, if you want something done, do it yourself... But the scanning for morons would be a full time job.:)
Those were nice pictures of Direct3D. I remember back when it first came out that Starcraft was working in Wine. Back then, they said you had to run your X server in 640x480x256 to play DirectX games. Yet I noticed your pictures were just windows with Tomb Raider in em. So, has things improved enough that we can play DirectX games in a window, or does this just apply to your Direct3D work?
Freedom of speech has it's place. But it must be tempered with civility. As the above person stated, if it's rude flaming it can certainly tend to bring one's spirits down after all the work it would have taken to redo all of freshmeat's scripts.
Criticism like, "You should put the search box at the top" is fine (I saw 3-4 or these in the comments on freshmeat, and it's a good point). But if it's something with foul language and words like "krad" it's just plain rude.
Besides, Freshmeat (or Slashdot) isn't a branch of the US government, so they don't have to obey any sort of "freedom" of speech.:)
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Um, the beauty of all the Unixes is that one can choose any sort of interface they want. If you like something else, great. If some people like KDE, they can use it.
What's with this attitude of, "I don't like it, therefore no one shall use it?" With Windows, you're stuck at one interface, basically. The wide array of choices in Unix environments is what many people like.
And some of KDE's programs are great at simplifying certain configuration. Take kppp. I already have pppd setup and running, but I went ahead and took a look at what all the excitement was with it. I must say, it's a pretty cool tool. I had my net connection up and running in a couple minutes, no headaches. But, many people still don't want things like Linux to spread to new groups of people (who have been coddled to death with Windows), so they hate anything that does this.
Anyway, my point is if you don't like it, don't use it. But why demand it be wiped from existence?
No, it's quite customary for Slashdotters to bash everything not GPL. I remember this one widget library that announced it would use a quite open license. It is still hated by them...
If it's not L/GPL, it's crap.
My personal proxy was able to pull DES packets down, but my clients don't seem to want to start them. They were giving that same message about 1715, but that just hit and now they say something like:
[Jan 18 17:15:00 UTC] Buffer update scheduled in 7 minutes 52 seconds
Go figure...
oops, sorry about that double post...
Why should I have to crawl through manpages just to figure out how to quit a program? (vi, emacs)
:)
Pico, jed to name a couple. The sequences to exit are right there at the bottom. Not to mention the wide array of X editors, where it's as simple as File->Exit or something similar. Vi and the like were made by programmers to help them do geeky things. Because they do these geeky things, they aren't always so adept at typing an email or something other people do. So, use the right tool for the job.
Why should I have to learn a bunch of esoteric commands to do even basic file management? (pick any shell, or any CLI at all for that matter)
Again, X apps. KDE (and GNOME I guess, haven't gotten around to using it myself) have all the file management things to make it as simple as drag/drop.
Why should I have to use three buttons on a mouse to do functions which can be performed with only one, or two at the most?
Why only use two when there's three on the mouse? And who on earth can't double-click (what most Win mouse drivers use the middle button for)? It's been a while since I used xfig, but I'm sure there's other programs that do it better.
Why should I have to search for hidden menus which should be right in plain view? (Gimp)
Gimp isn't at all a marvel of user-interface design. It's good at what it does, but the UI is lacking. But not every program is like that. Here I sit in Netscape, things are quite straight forward. And along the lines of the first question above, Gimp is a mighty tool, but if you don't need/want to learn it, find something simpler.
Why should I have to completely recompile almost every single piece of software I download from the Internet, rather than have at least a stock installation possible in something I can use right away? (Linux, *BSD, etc.)
I'm building a 486 DX2/66 for my sister. RedHat 5.1 installation went very smoothely. Their X configure thing during the install was as simple as selecting the chipset (though I had to look at the video card to figure that out). After a reboot, I created a user account, did startx and voila, fvwm2 was up and running in X.
On this 400mb hard drive, I've now got X, KDE, etc running quite well. And still 72mb to spare. There's no gcc et al. There are tons of RPMs and the like on sites all over the world, if you do a little looking. It is possible to have a system without compiling anything, but then you lose that bit of control. If you have RedHat and stick with RPMs from their ftps, you probably won't trash too much.
The answer. I shouldn't.
This is the Unix way: the way which makes everything unnecessarily difficult because it keeps the unwashed masses bowing at our feet, begging us to use what we have rendered them unable to. Could anything be more immoral?
You aren't seeing it correctly. Unix was built by prorgammers and geeks to make THEIR lives easier. Things are just now coming around for the average user with KDE/GNOME. But it is because of those geeks that there is a solid foundation of an OS. KDE has a wide variety of applications now that I can give this 486 to my sister so she can play solitaire and email the rest of the family, as well as tons of other things. This is a usable system, and trust me, she won't need to learn vi.
Give it a try again, keeping these points in mind. Or maybe once the 2.2 kernel is out, and KDE 1.1 is available.
Why should I have to crawl through manpages just to figure out how to quit a program? (vi, emacs)
:)
Pico, jed to name a couple. The sequences to exit are right there at the bottom. Not to mention the wide array of X editors, where it's as simple as File->Exit or something similar. Vi and the like were made by programmers to help them do geeky things. Because they do these geeky things, they aren't always so adept at typing an email or something other people do. So, use the right tool for the job.
Why should I have to learn a bunch of esoteric commands to do even basic file management? (pick any shell, or any CLI at all for that matter)
Again, X apps. KDE (and GNOME I guess, haven't gotten around to using it myself) have all the file management things to make it as simple as drag/drop.
Why should I have to use three buttons on a mouse to do functions which can be performed with only one, or two at the most?
Why only use two when there's three on the mouse? And who on earth can't double-click (what most Win mouse drivers use the middle button for)? It's been a while since I used xfig, but I'm sure there's other programs that do it better.
Why should I have to search for hidden menus which should be right in plain view? (Gimp)
Gimp isn't at all a marvel of user-interface design. It's good at what it does, but the UI is lacking. But not every program is like that. Here I sit in Netscape, things are quite straight forward. And along the lines of the first question above, Gimp is a mighty tool, but if you don't need/want to learn it, find something simpler.
Why should I have to completely recompile almost every single piece of software I download from the Internet, rather than have at least a stock installation possible in something I can use right away? (Linux, *BSD, etc.)
I'm building a 486 DX2/66 for my sister. RedHat 5.1 installation went very smoothely. Their X configure thing during the install was as simple as selecting the chipset (though I had to look at the video card to figure that out). After a reboot, I created a user account, did startx and voila, fvwm2 was up and running in X.
On this 400mb hard drive, I've now got X, KDE, etc running quite well. And still 72mb to spare. There's no gcc et al. There are tons of RPMs and the like on sites all over the world, if you do a little looking. It is possible to have a system without compiling anything, but then you lose that bit of control. If you have RedHat and stick with RPMs from their ftps, you probably won't trash too much.
The answer. I shouldn't.
This is the Unix way: the way which makes everything unnecessarily difficult because it keeps the unwashed masses bowing at our feet, begging us to use what we have rendered them unable to. Could anything be more immoral?
You aren't seeing it correctly. Unix was built by prorgammers and geeks to make THEIR lives easier. Things are just now coming around for the average user with KDE/GNOME. But it is because of those geeks that there is a solid foundation of an OS. KDE has a wide variety of applications now that I can give this 486 to my sister so she can play solitaire and email the rest of the family, as well as tons of other things. This is a usable system, and trust me, she won't need to learn vi.
Give it a try again, keeping these points in mind. Or maybe once the 2.2 kernel is out, and KDE 1.1 is available.
Delphi is pretty cool for dealing with Windows. Heck, in 15 minutes I had a spiffy little program put together as a joke, and got way out of hand... 1000 people or so still think an N64 emulator can be had in a 100k zip dated nearly 2 years ago.
Yes, Qt is easy to pick up, and the documentation on their site is decent. And then KDE isn't hard to pick up afterwards. Before you know it, you've got a spiffy little application going.
Ah, the memories. I can remember my first COBOL class, where adding was "simple" to the teacher:
ADD A TO B RESULTING IN C
Being a math/CS major, I was insulted (what's so hard about c=a+b in ?) and soon figured I could con other people to giving the assignments to me in exchange for C/C++ homework and the like.
and the ability to change user passwords on
any Samba or Microsoft Windows NT ® server.
Aww, still can't change passwords from the user's NT/95 via the usual means for those systems? I assume they mean the User Mangler for Domains when they mention NT server. Wouldn't it use the same messages when changing the password via NT/95 workstations?
Still, good job samba people.
Unfortunately, modern America is more worried about being able to use foul language and such than doing anything productive. Say you want people to be civil, they do everything they can to not.
:)
Why can't there be a site where calm rational people can discuss/debate the latest in Linux or Open Source news that I wouldn't be afraid to refer my bosses to do research on this whole Linux thing? Where there's more than just "I don't approve of this mf'ing article, slashdot sucks" or describing varied methods of killing Bill Gates.
If we want Linux or OSS to be embraced by professional organizations and world dominance, we'll have to work mighty hard to extinguish this image of it being for punk/hippy kids just out to get MS. Linux is powerful in its own right, not just because it's not Windows.
I guess it's as the old addage, if you want something done, do it yourself... But the scanning for morons would be a full time job.
Those were nice pictures of Direct3D. I remember back when it first came out that Starcraft was working in Wine. Back then, they said you had to run your X server in 640x480x256 to play DirectX games. Yet I noticed your pictures were just windows with Tomb Raider in em. So, has things improved enough that we can play DirectX games in a window, or does this just apply to your Direct3D work?
Freedom of speech has it's place. But it must be tempered with civility. As the above person stated, if it's rude flaming it can certainly tend to bring one's spirits down after all the work it would have taken to redo all of freshmeat's scripts.
:)
Criticism like, "You should put the search box at the top" is fine (I saw 3-4 or these in the comments on freshmeat, and it's a good point). But if it's something with foul language and words like "krad" it's just plain rude.
Besides, Freshmeat (or Slashdot) isn't a branch of the US government, so they don't have to obey any sort of "freedom" of speech.