Sounds like more neoliberal propaganda to mold the neoslave culture of America. We have gone from the chains of iron we wore as white and black slaves from 1610 to 1865, to the cultural indoctrination that we live under now. Nowadays we wear chains of silver instead of chains of iron.
THe elite at the top of our societal institutions act in their own best interests and not ours. They want us working just as hard as possible, just like they wanted us to work as hard as possible in the colonial white slave plantations. But we broke our chains of iron, so the elite shaped chains of silver through cultural evolution, effected by propaganda like this.
If you want to work as a writer in this neoslave culture, just wrote GOOD THINGS about the Culture of Perpetual Work.
Nice if you can get, and if you can stomach the hypocrisy. Of course most people never realize what is going on. They have already internalized the neoslave culture.
Just as the kamikaze pilots never questioned their fates as they climbed into the cockpit, so too do most Americans never question the Culture of Perpetual Labor.
as a signed up Alcor member, please allow me to disabuse you of some of your mistaken ideas:
1. "all that money": Alcor is the best cryonics organization in the world. And there are only two... But Alcor is a nonprofit, and no one working there makes much money at all. In fact, almost everyone working there is either poor or independently wealthy.
Also Alcor does not take in enough money to even cover its expenses. Most members are middle class, but some can afford to donate large sums, which is how Alcor stays solvent.
2. Cryonics, for cryonicists, ties into the hardwired religious-epiphany-ectascy circuitry in our brains. You know that many people (most?) get a rush from religion? Well, that same religious feeling is what makes cryonics tick. It gives us an "out" just as does religion. Except of course our "out" is something that depends on real world physics and human nature.
So, cryonicists who work at cryonics organizations are sort of like monks.They do it for the love of cryoncis, and in the hope that if they can build up cryonics enough so that society accepts it and we get a lot more members, we can make it a self sufficient enterprise.
So if cryonicists working at Alcor do something bad, they screw up their own chances to be revived in the future.
Do you now understand one of the major strengths of cryonics?
The whites in America who have been demonized by the fauxleft have thus been seduced by the right and the plutocrats and megacorps. Part of that seduction is the idea that the individual is the lion and so therefore deregulation is good. But we are the lamb. CorpGovMedia is the Lion. See the world for what it is....
from "Completing the American Revolution : "Benjamin Franklin had a personal fortune worth at least $20 million in today's money. He was a champion of the Quaker plutocrats in Philadelphia and vigorously opposed the democratic western farmers of Pennsylvania."
Why is it that you supposed "libertarians" and "freedom lovers" worship at the altar of the elite?
Franklin was not all that great. But the other Founding Fathers were MUCH wrose. Here is an online book that tells the truth about what the Founding Fathers and the Revolution really were. It was written by Jerry Fresia, who has a PhD in Political Science. The url for the book:
Toward An American Revolution, an online book by a former college professor that exposes the Founding Fathers and the Constitution for what they really were: slaveowning monsters who set up a rich man's constitution meant to keep the people divided and create a gridlocked government....
America spent its formative years (1615-1850) as a slave colony for white and black slaves . Ever hear the saying, "The fruit don't fall too far from the tree"? Well, both white and black slaves were often flogged (sometimes to death) for crimes such as insubordination or sneaking some extra food. Just as you are a product of your childhood formative years, so too is America. And until we realize that, we make no progress.
That is why America has so many prisoners. And why our nation is so rightwing. American culture is a slave colony culture yet. And it has been molded by our masters to suit their needs. So keep your neoslave mitts off off Massa's property...boy.
This shit is about giving "tools" to the various cognizant propaganda and enforcement agencies "werkin hard, dyin', strugglin' to fight againts evol-dooers an' ter-rists"...
THat would be nice if you had proof of that, but it is almost certainly not that, but just plain incompetence
Yes, in a series of posts, I can only write so much (however, I am making a free documentary that covers some of this material (see my sig link)).
Regarding Earth Day and other non-economic aspects of American liberalism that have usurped true leftism, our present political culture is now the product of those decades of manipulation. At look at what we have: today for example on Meet the Press, there were two women talking to Tim Russert about why Alito should or should not be confirmed (one women was a liberal; one a conservative). The central issue that was being promoted and talked about in this Meet the Press discussion this morning was whether Alito was pro or anti abortion (or prolife or whatever spin you want to put on it).
Now I am not saying abortion is not important to some people. To some people it is. But there are MANY economic issues that are resolved through the Supreme Court as well. MANY. For example the question of discrimination against the poor. THIS issue IMHO is at the core of what America really is, in some ways. But this issue is never a fccus of corpwhorate media discussion WRT the US Supreme Ct. Why is that? Probably because our media is an evolved creature, whose culture is evolved through decades of forces exerted upon it by the rich and powerful people and entities of America. So now today the issues brought to the fore in Meet the Press, etc are those issues that favor the rich and powerful.
Cryofan, dude, someone has to say it (and it doesn't look like anyone else will):
You're a friggin' wack job.
You make it sound like this was an enormous, planned conspiracy of the upper-class to divert the energy of the American left away from tax-and-spend plans to provide universal services.
yeah, man, and I hear there are entire skyscrapers on this street called "Madison Avenue" in New York City. And guess what, dude? The Madison Avenue cats are all working together (in a conspiracy, man!) to make us want to buy these things they make called "consumer goods".
There's whole skyscrapers of these madison avenue people trying to control our minds, man!
If so, I think they pretty clearly failed-- I mean, consider the marginal tax rates now versus the turn of the last century, and the spectrum of services the government has provided over the same period. Taxation, and spending on public services, hasn't gone down over that period-- not even remotely.
Marginal tax rates hit 90% at one point. The foundation-think tank coalition got stronger as time went on. They have pretty much defeated us now. The height of the true Americans leftism was probably from 1920-1945. Then we started getting weaker,
Now remember, these are LONG TERM projects. THey took generations.
BTW, I am not the only one who puts forth these ideas. I quoted two books by PhD social scientists in this thread. You see, these sorts of ideas don't get talked about on teevee or talk radio or the corpwhorate media. You actually have to read a BOOK. And guess what? You aren't going to see any reviews of these books in your major media outlets.
Pardon me if I misunderstand your point, but I've read all of your posts in this thread and I think I get it fairly well. Frankly, I think you need to get your conspiracy barometer adjusted.
THere all sorts of conspiracies out there. People go to prison every day for conspiracy.
And let's talk about YOUR definition of conspiracy here. My definition of conspiracy is a LEGAL definition. Conspiracy is an agreeement to accomplish some illegal purpose, to attain some unlawful objective. What I speak of here is not unlawful. I speak of plans to mold culture. And these are not secrets, in every respect. Sometimes, they come right out and say what their plans are. I paraphrased two such quotations here in this thread. I note you offered no rebuttal of those paraphrases. Instead you offer only conclusory statements ("yer a wack job!").
But guess what? Their plans are not well publicized. And so you do not see them in your establishment sources, your corpwhorate media.
Therefore you should choose another word instead of conspiracy. But then....you don't really CHOOSE the words you use, do you? You get them handed down to you from...ummm...ESTABLISHMENT sources, right? Gee, what a coincidence...
It worries me that there are people out there who are paranoid about nonprofit foundations when there's far more significant dangers to our civil liberties out there.
You deal in corpwhorate media superficialities. I do not. There is a world of difference....
uh, well, my point is that the large nonprofit foundations ARE POLITICAL, even though they come off as non political and philanthropic.
The thing is that rich people and big corporations, they have a LOT of resources. They have social scientists, marketing professionals, pollers, etc, all working for them. THey organize together to fund foundations, think tanks, political action committees. And they have access to ALL the knowledge of the past. Their knowledge does not come from TV or PBS or the WSJ or NY Times. They go right to the source. They conduct research on attitudes and opinions of the public.
They have been doing this a long time.
The large foundations are their tools. And guess...their tactics are sophisticated. They have been at this a long time.
You think Ford Foundation, et al., aint political? They are the ESSENCE of politics. You probably think the 2004 presidential race was politics. Wrong! More like fauxpolitic. REAL politics is not superficial like the electoral politics and the treatment of it in the corpwhorate media. REAL politics deals with shaping public opinion and even what the public thinks politics consists of.
The foundations and think tanks ARE real politics. They practically INVENTED it....
Heh heh. Well, you have somewhat of a point, but the rich still do have pay SOME tax in America, at least they do today.
Maybe Gates would want to use his money to further mold the American culture so that in 50 years, ALL AMERICANS might be thinking that it is a crime to even THINK that a rich person should be taxed at all.
The power of big money, applied over decades to mold political culture, is profound and powerful.
As for your foundations, did the conservatives ever get in on the foundation game back in the days?
Umm...consersatives (i.e., rich people and their govt proxies, like the CIA, FBI, GOP and Democratic parties, etc) STARTED the big foundations. Rockefeller was the first, and his right hand man specifically SAID that their goal was to influence the American political culture. THat is a direct paraphrase of the man who was instrumental in Rockefeller's foundation ploy.
I know they've been very busy in the last ~15 years, funding/starting up conservative think tanks, lobbying groups and other organizations.
Oh, this started perhaps 100 years ago, and really got rolling after WW2, when the CIA developed leftism diverting tactics overseas. Then they applied that knowledge here with the big foundations. For example, they funded gender leftists like Gloria Steinem.
It got more organized around 1975 or so when there was one last burst of egalitarian leftism that organized around the Democratic party. Lewis Powell and others designed the think tanks and foundations into a smoothly operating propaganda system that centered primarily around the GOP at first, then took over the Democratic party as well.
NEVER EVER give any money to a nonprofit foundation of any size.
Identity Politics (IP) is the focus of American Leftism. One aspect of it is multiculturalism or pluralism.
IP centers around a perspective where each American is seen as a member of some racial or gender-oriented group: male, female, white, black, mexican.
The main thing is that this identity is central to American leftism. Thus IP became the focus of liberalism, american leftism.
So what you're saying is that they set up these non-profit foundations to take the 'manpower' (voters, volunteers) etc from real leftism and turn it towards whatever identity politics is?
I explain this in another post in this subthread. Basically, the foundations funded IP leftists, activists and writers. Thus, over decades, American leftism began to be seen as associated with race and gender oriented politics, rather than being associated with taxing the rich more than the poor (progressive taxation) and using that money to pay for healthcare, education and jobs for all. This is economics oriented leftism, as opposed to IP leftism, i.e., race and gender politics.
100 years ago, in America, leftism was mostly associated with economics, and not race or gender. But the plutocrat money as dispersed by the non profit foundations, changed that by evolving a new kind of leftism.
The huge nonprofit foundations funded leftists. Now there are ALL SORTS of leftists.
Some sorts of leftists write about stuff like this, "Hey, let's tax the upper class much more so we can pay for universal healthcare, early retirement, and low cost college!"
Other types of leftists write about stuff like this, "Hey, the whites are racists and they oppress the minorities by enslaving them. And men are oppressing women!"
And you have some in between those two types.
Now, you look at supposedly leftist oriented outlets like PBS, NPR and other places where you find leftists who are funded by foundations, and you tell me which type predominates.
Now, if for the last 5 decades, which sort of leftists have the foundations funded: A. the rural white male who hunts deers and writes about how he wants to tax the upper class much more so we can pay for universal healthcare, early retirement, and low cost college, or B. The gay or minority leftists who says the whites are racists and they oppress the minorities by enslaving them. And men are oppressing women.
Which type of leftist gets funded? Type B! More or less....
ANd what happens to American leftism after type B gets funded 100 times more often than type A? That is how the plutocrats EVOLVED American leftism so that it suited them, was elite-friendly. THe foundations basically DOMESTICATED American leftism by funding the RIGHT KIND of leftist. And they did it with plutocrat and megacorporation money, and CIA money and know how.
Yes, exactly, and that was certainly not a new tactic. In fact, the system of checks and balances built into the American constitution was actually imported from England where they implemented it because it tended to divide up the people'e power, and set them against each other, paralyzing the power of the people, thus making it harder for us proles to tax the rich more.
A political scientist named Fresia has a book online that talks about this. It's called _TOWARD AN AMERICAN REVOLUTION_.
Also, one Richard Bissell, an early CIA honcho who helped start the Ford Foundation with CIA and plutocrat money, said the tactic for destroying leftism was to not debate the leftists about their ideas, but instead to divert their energies to activities and interests that would be less harmful (to the rich and megacorporations, one presumes). The primary diversion created by the Ford Foundation and other nonprofits was Identity Politics/Pluralism/Multiculturalism.
Rockefeller, who was perhaps the richest man in all history, also used his fortune via nonprofit foundations, not only to enhance his character as publicly perceived (Gates has already done this), but also to mold and shape the American culture, especially the political culture.
In fact, arguably, plutocrat fortunes, as used to fund foundations, might be said to be the primary force used to direct and channel American leftism. Read more about this in Roelof's book _THe MASK OF PLURALISM. Basically, her main thesis is that plutocrats funded the large nonprofit foundations so that they could fund leftists who were not oriented towards economic oriented leftism, but instead towards identity politics. Thus, the white lower middle class was turned away from leftism in general. Well, there is more to it than that, but it was a major factor.
I doubt Gates could ever match the effect that Rockefeller, Scaife, etc had on American political culture. Too many other players in the game now...
From They Live!...our impulses are being redirected. We are living in an artificially induced state of consciousness that resembles sleep...the movement was begun eight months ago by a small group of scientists who discovered, quite by accident, these signals being sent through television......the poor and the underclass are growing. Racial justice and human rights are nonexistent. They have created a repressive society and we are their unwitting accomplices......their intention to rule rests with the annihilation of consciousness. We have been lulled into a trance. They have made us indifferent, to ourselves, to others, we are focused only on our own gain. We ha......please understand, they are safe as long as they are not discovered. That is their primary method of survival. Keep us asleep, keep us selfish, keep us sedated......they are dismantling the sleeping middle class. More and more people are becoming poor. We are their cattle. We are being bred for slavery. The revolution......we cannot break their signal, our transmitter is not powerful enough. The signal must be shut off at the source. We have.....
Sounds like CorpGovMedia is getting nervous about what would happen if a bunch of Americans got cut loose from the propaganda machine for a while. Who know what might happen? Heck, unpropagandized Americans might even decide that they need to hang a bunch of the elite.
You have the same attitude the Father of the Constitution, James Madison had. He once told a visitor to his plantation that for each of his ~200 black slaves (white slavery had been outlawed already), he made $257 in profit, and each slave only cost him $13 in upkeep per year.
How VERY efficient an arrangement that was!
And EVERYONE benefited from the lower prices, dontcha know.
Tell ya what I say--hang the modern neoslave-masters...by rule of law and due process, of course.
I think you are bringing up minor imperfections, minor in that they can easily be fixed. What internet vlogs and such really have to offer is brief populist entertainment that contains political content that the tv networks and such will not touch. For example cheap comedy SNL type skits that deal with how mass immigration is killed blue collar American wages. And how that helps the rich and corporations make more money, and how the media is controlled by these rich elite, and how the media support mass immigration. Same goes for outsourcing and such.
Or how the American liberal political paradigm conveniently splits the white working class by using race-guilt propaganda, and how the media and entertainment industry, controlled by the rich, support such race guilt propaganda, and how the the rich and corporations make more money.
Or how about content that deals with how West Europeans get more out of their life, have universal healthcare, work less hours, travel more, becaus their govts are oriented toware providing more for the citizens as opposed to more for the investor-businesses, etc.
THis sort of political content is untouchable in American mainstrem and would satisfy a hunger in Americans.
And it is just so damn sad to see all the American meat puppets online mewling about how democratic America is.
Look upon their (french) works, ye Americans, and despair....
you can tell a democracy from a republic/dictatorship/oligarchy by seeing how populist the legislature is. The USA was never set up to be a democracy. However, the working people fought and shed blood to get a democracy, or at least a semblance of one. But now even what we were able to wrest from the elite has eroded.
But France, FRANCE, the people are still fighting the battle for a democracy. Democracy is about the national culture and the social contract.
I say HANG this American politicians by their corporatist treason (all by rule of law, of course, in accordance with due process, etc. And if we need to change soms laws to do that, then do it. But hang 'em).
Every senator --as far as can tell-- is a traitor to the American people. Time to indict all American senators for treason. They have given this country over entirely to the rich and the corporations. This is war, economic war, and the Senate, along with the rest of the Washington DC politicians, are all traitors to the AMerican people.
THey are now trying to give us more sales taxes instead of taxing the income and wealth of the upper class.
Treason!
I call for trying all American Senators for treason in a court of law, and if convicted by a jury of their peers, I call for them to be given capital punishment by a judge, in accordance with the rule of law and due process.
Well, I hope that copying of copyrighted material IS made impossible. Because when that happens, it means that the content providers will allow the telcos and cable cos to start delivering their content online. This should bring in another mode of internet connectivity, like wireless, too.
In any event, once content is provided online, PCs will start becoming easily usable for the task of obtaining video online. So lots of people--most Americans probably -- will start getting video online.
THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT STEP IN THE PROGRESS OF BREAKING THE GRIP OF TOP DOWN COMMUNICATIONS IN AMERICA.
Ever thought about why Americans have to work 2000 hours a year to survive, and for practical purposes cannot get longterm healthcare unless they are working? But most west European countries are not this way.
Well, Americans have been under the grip of ideological hegemony for decades now. THat means that the mass media has been effectively used by the elite players in America so that Americans do not operate their own country for their own best interests, but instead for the interests of capital. Capital owns labor to a great extent in America. And we pay for it.
But if video content were commonly obtained online by most Americans, and with video content getting easier to make (edit video and sound with FREE software on your cheap computer), that means that radical political views can be easily disseminated to most America. And when I say radical, I don't mean the race and gender oriented identity politics of the democrats. And I don't mean socialism per se, but instead economics-oriented anarchist-related themes that are really at the root of the cultural differences between W europe and America.
Once these ideas are disseminated to most Americans in a video format, things should start to change.
And with that, neoliberalism should begin to die....
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Sounds like more neoliberal propaganda to mold the neoslave culture of America. We have gone from the chains of iron we wore as white and black slaves from 1610 to 1865, to the cultural indoctrination that we live under now. Nowadays we wear chains of silver instead of chains of iron.
THe elite at the top of our societal institutions act in their own best interests and not ours. They want us working just as hard as possible, just like they wanted us to work as hard as possible in the colonial white slave plantations. But we broke our chains of iron, so the elite shaped chains of silver through cultural evolution, effected by propaganda like this.
If you want to work as a writer in this neoslave culture, just wrote GOOD THINGS about the Culture of Perpetual Work.
Nice if you can get, and if you can stomach the hypocrisy. Of course most people never realize what is going on. They have already internalized the neoslave culture.
Just as the kamikaze pilots never questioned their fates as they climbed into the cockpit, so too do most Americans never question the Culture of Perpetual Labor.
as a signed up Alcor member, please allow me to disabuse you of some of your mistaken ideas:
1. "all that money": Alcor is the best cryonics organization in the world. And there are only two...
But Alcor is a nonprofit, and no one working there makes much money at all. In fact, almost everyone working there is either poor or independently wealthy.
Also Alcor does not take in enough money to even cover its expenses. Most members are middle class, but some can afford to donate large sums, which is how Alcor stays solvent.
2. Cryonics, for cryonicists, ties into the hardwired religious-epiphany-ectascy circuitry in our brains. You know that many people (most?) get a rush from religion? Well, that same religious feeling is what makes cryonics tick. It gives us an "out" just as does religion. Except of course our "out" is something that depends on real world physics and human nature.
So, cryonicists who work at cryonics organizations are sort of like monks.They do it for the love of cryoncis, and in the hope that if they can build up cryonics enough so that society accepts it and we get a lot more members, we can make it a self sufficient enterprise.
So if cryonicists working at Alcor do something bad, they screw up their own chances to be revived in the future.
Do you now understand one of the major strengths of cryonics?
The whites in America who have been demonized by the fauxleft have thus been seduced by the right and the plutocrats and megacorps. Part of that seduction is the idea that the individual is the lion and so therefore deregulation is good. But we are the lamb. CorpGovMedia is the Lion. See the world for what it is....
and they own YOU, too. BellSouth is part of CorpGovMedia. The media will do little about this.
It says something. As opposed to nothing. More information is good. Less information is bad. These are simple principles; principles to live by....
from "Completing the American Revolution :
"Benjamin Franklin had a personal fortune worth at least $20 million in today's money. He was a champion of the Quaker plutocrats in Philadelphia and vigorously opposed the democratic western farmers of Pennsylvania."
Why is it that you supposed "libertarians" and "freedom lovers" worship at the altar of the elite?
Franklin was not all that great. But the other Founding Fathers were MUCH wrose. Here is an online book that tells the truth about what the Founding Fathers and the Revolution really were. It was written by Jerry Fresia, who has a PhD in Political Science. The url for the book:
Toward An American Revolution, an online book by a former college professor that exposes the Founding Fathers and the Constitution for what they really were: slaveowning monsters who set up a rich man's constitution meant to keep the people divided and create a gridlocked government....
America spent its formative years (1615-1850) as a slave colony for white and black slaves . Ever hear the saying, "The fruit don't fall too far from the tree"?
Well, both white and black slaves were often flogged (sometimes to death) for crimes such as insubordination or sneaking some extra food. Just as you are a product of your childhood formative years, so too is America. And until we realize that, we make no progress.
That is why America has so many prisoners. And why our nation is so rightwing. American culture is a slave colony culture yet. And it has been molded by our masters to suit their needs. So keep your neoslave mitts off off Massa's property...boy.
This shit is about giving "tools" to the various cognizant propaganda and enforcement agencies "werkin hard, dyin', strugglin' to fight againts evol-dooers an' ter-rists"...
THat would be nice if you had proof of that, but it is almost certainly not that, but just plain incompetence
Yes, in a series of posts, I can only write so much (however, I am making a free documentary that covers some of this material (see my sig link)).
Regarding Earth Day and other non-economic aspects of American liberalism that have usurped true leftism, our present political culture is now the product of those decades of manipulation. At look at what we have: today for example on Meet the Press, there were two women talking to Tim Russert about why Alito should or should not be confirmed (one women was a liberal; one a conservative). The central issue that was being promoted and talked about in this Meet the Press discussion this morning was whether Alito was pro or anti abortion (or prolife or whatever spin you want to put on it).
Now I am not saying abortion is not important to some people. To some people it is. But there are MANY economic issues that are resolved through the Supreme Court as well. MANY. For example the question of discrimination against the poor. THIS issue IMHO is at the core of what America really is, in some ways. But this issue is never a fccus of corpwhorate media discussion WRT the US Supreme Ct. Why is that? Probably because our media is an evolved creature, whose culture is evolved through decades of forces exerted upon it by the rich and powerful people and entities of America. So now today the issues brought to the fore in Meet the Press, etc are those issues that favor the rich and powerful.
Cryofan, dude, someone has to say it (and it doesn't look like anyone else will):
You're a friggin' wack job.
You make it sound like this was an enormous, planned conspiracy of the upper-class to divert the energy of the American left away from tax-and-spend plans to provide universal services.
yeah, man, and I hear there are entire skyscrapers on this street called "Madison Avenue" in New York City. And guess what, dude? The Madison Avenue cats are all working together (in a conspiracy, man!) to make us want to buy these things they make called "consumer goods".
There's whole skyscrapers of these madison avenue people trying to control our minds, man!
If so, I think they pretty
clearly failed-- I mean, consider the marginal tax rates now versus the turn of the last century, and the spectrum of services the government has provided over the same period. Taxation, and spending on public services, hasn't gone down over that period-- not even remotely.
Marginal tax rates hit 90% at one point. The foundation-think tank coalition got stronger as time went on. They have pretty much defeated us now. The height of the true Americans leftism was probably from 1920-1945. Then we started getting weaker,
Now remember, these are LONG TERM projects. THey took generations.
BTW, I am not the only one who puts forth these ideas. I quoted two books by PhD social scientists in this thread. You see, these sorts of ideas don't get talked about on teevee or talk radio or the corpwhorate media. You actually have to read a BOOK. And guess what? You aren't going to see any reviews of these books in your major media outlets.
Pardon me if I misunderstand your point, but I've read all of your posts in this thread and I think I get it fairly well. Frankly, I think you need to get your conspiracy barometer adjusted.
THere all sorts of conspiracies out there. People go to prison every day for conspiracy.
And let's talk about YOUR definition of conspiracy here. My definition of conspiracy is a LEGAL definition. Conspiracy is an agreeement to accomplish some illegal purpose, to attain some unlawful objective. What I speak of here is not unlawful. I speak of plans to mold culture. And these are not secrets, in every respect. Sometimes, they come right out and say what their plans are. I paraphrased two such quotations here in this thread. I note you offered no rebuttal of those paraphrases. Instead you offer only conclusory statements ("yer a wack job!").
But guess what? Their plans are not well publicized. And so you do not see them in your establishment sources, your corpwhorate media.
Therefore you should choose another word instead of conspiracy. But then....you don't really CHOOSE the words you use, do you? You get them handed down to you from
It worries me that there are people out there who are paranoid about nonprofit foundations when there's far more significant dangers to our civil liberties out there.
You deal in corpwhorate media superficialities. I do not. There is a world of difference....
uh, well, my point is that the large nonprofit foundations ARE POLITICAL, even though they come off as non political and philanthropic.
The thing is that rich people and big corporations, they have a LOT of resources. They have social scientists, marketing professionals, pollers, etc, all working for them. THey organize together to fund foundations, think tanks, political action committees. And they have access to ALL the knowledge of the past. Their knowledge does not come from TV or PBS or the WSJ or NY Times. They go right to the source. They conduct research on attitudes and opinions of the public.
They have been doing this a long time.
The large foundations are their tools. And guess...their tactics are sophisticated. They have been at this a long time.
You think Ford Foundation, et al., aint political? They are the ESSENCE of politics. You probably think the 2004 presidential race was politics. Wrong! More like fauxpolitic. REAL politics is not superficial like the electoral politics and the treatment of it in the corpwhorate media. REAL politics deals with shaping public opinion and even what the public thinks politics consists of.
The foundations and think tanks ARE real politics. They practically INVENTED it....
Heh heh. Well, you have somewhat of a point, but the rich still do have pay SOME tax in America, at least they do today.
Maybe Gates would want to use his money to further mold the American culture so that in 50 years, ALL AMERICANS might be thinking that it is a crime to even THINK that a rich person should be taxed at all.
The power of big money, applied over decades to mold political culture, is profound and powerful.
As for your foundations, did the conservatives ever get in on the foundation game back in the days?
Umm...consersatives (i.e., rich people and their govt proxies, like the CIA, FBI, GOP and Democratic parties, etc) STARTED the big foundations. Rockefeller was the first, and his right hand man specifically SAID that their goal was to influence the American political culture. THat is a direct paraphrase of the man who was instrumental in Rockefeller's foundation ploy.
I know they've been very busy in the last ~15 years, funding/starting up conservative think tanks, lobbying groups and other organizations.
Oh, this started perhaps 100 years ago, and really got rolling after WW2, when the CIA developed leftism diverting tactics overseas. Then they applied that knowledge here with the big foundations.
For example, they funded gender leftists like Gloria Steinem.
It got more organized around 1975 or so when there was one last burst of egalitarian leftism that organized around the Democratic party. Lewis Powell and others designed the think tanks and foundations into a smoothly operating propaganda system that centered primarily around the GOP at first, then took over the Democratic party as well.
NEVER EVER give any money to a nonprofit foundation of any size.
What is identity politics?
Identity Politics (IP) is the focus of American Leftism. One aspect of it is multiculturalism or pluralism.
IP centers around a perspective where each American is seen as a member of some racial or gender-oriented group: male, female, white, black, mexican.
The main thing is that this identity is central to American leftism. Thus IP became the focus of liberalism, american leftism.
So what you're saying is that they set up these non-profit foundations to take the 'manpower' (voters, volunteers) etc from real leftism and turn it towards whatever identity politics is?
I explain this in another post in this subthread. Basically, the foundations funded IP leftists, activists and writers. Thus, over decades, American leftism began to be seen as associated with race and gender oriented politics, rather than being associated with taxing the rich more than the poor (progressive taxation) and using that money to pay for healthcare, education and jobs for all. This is economics oriented leftism, as opposed to IP leftism, i.e., race and gender politics.
100 years ago, in America, leftism was mostly associated with economics, and not race or gender. But the plutocrat money as dispersed by the non profit foundations, changed that by evolving a new kind of leftism.
The huge nonprofit foundations funded leftists. Now there are ALL SORTS of leftists.
Some sorts of leftists write about stuff like this, "Hey, let's tax the upper class much more so we can pay for universal healthcare, early retirement, and low cost college!"
Other types of leftists write about stuff like this, "Hey, the whites are racists and they oppress the minorities by enslaving them. And men are oppressing women!"
And you have some in between those two types.
Now, you look at supposedly leftist oriented outlets like PBS, NPR and other places where you find leftists who are funded by foundations, and you tell me which type predominates.
Now, if for the last 5 decades, which sort of leftists have the foundations funded: A. the rural white male who hunts deers and writes about how he wants to tax the upper class much more so we can pay for universal healthcare, early retirement, and low cost college, or B. The gay or minority leftists who says the whites are racists and they oppress the minorities by enslaving them. And men are oppressing women.
Which type of leftist gets funded?
Type B! More or less....
ANd what happens to American leftism after type B gets funded 100 times more often than type A?
That is how the plutocrats EVOLVED American leftism so that it suited them, was elite-friendly. THe foundations basically DOMESTICATED American leftism by funding the RIGHT KIND of leftist. And they did it with plutocrat and megacorporation money, and CIA money and know how.
Yes, exactly, and that was certainly not a new tactic. In fact, the system of checks and balances built into the American constitution was actually imported from England where they implemented it because it tended to divide up the people'e power, and set them against each other, paralyzing the power of the people, thus making it harder for us proles to tax the rich more.
A political scientist named Fresia has a book online that talks about this. It's called _TOWARD AN AMERICAN REVOLUTION_.
Also, one Richard Bissell, an early CIA honcho who helped start the Ford Foundation with CIA and plutocrat money, said the tactic for destroying leftism was to not debate the leftists about their ideas, but instead to divert their energies to activities and interests that would be less harmful (to the rich and megacorporations, one presumes). The primary diversion created by the Ford Foundation and other nonprofits was Identity Politics/Pluralism/Multiculturalism.
Divide and Conquer, same as it ever was....
Rockefeller, who was perhaps the richest man in all history, also used his fortune via nonprofit foundations, not only to enhance his character as publicly perceived (Gates has already done this), but also to mold and shape the American culture, especially the political culture.
In fact, arguably, plutocrat fortunes, as used to fund foundations, might be said to be the primary force used to direct and channel American leftism. Read more about this in Roelof's book _THe MASK OF PLURALISM. Basically, her main thesis is that plutocrats funded the large nonprofit foundations so that they could fund leftists who were not oriented towards economic oriented leftism, but instead towards identity politics. Thus, the white lower middle class was turned away from leftism in general. Well, there is more to it than that, but it was a major factor.
I doubt Gates could ever match the effect that Rockefeller, Scaife, etc had on American political culture. Too many other players in the game now...
LOL! Excellent!
...our impulses are being redirected. We are living in an artificially induced state of consciousness that resembles sleep ...the movement was begun eight months ago by a small group of scientists who discovered, quite by accident, these signals being sent through television... ...the poor and the underclass are growing. Racial justice and human rights are nonexistent. They have created a repressive society and we are their unwitting accomplices... ...their intention to rule rests with the annihilation of consciousness. We have been lulled into a trance. They have made us indifferent, to ourselves, to others, we are focused only on our own gain. We ha... ...please understand, they are safe as long as they are not discovered. That is their primary method of survival. Keep us asleep, keep us selfish, keep us sedated... ...they are dismantling the sleeping middle class. More and more people are becoming poor. We are their cattle. We are being bred for slavery. The revolution... ...we cannot break their signal, our transmitter is not powerful enough. The signal must be shut off at the source. We have.....
From They Live!
Sounds like CorpGovMedia is getting nervous about what would happen if a bunch of Americans got cut loose from the propaganda machine for a while.
Who know what might happen? Heck, unpropagandized Americans might even decide that they need to hang a bunch of the elite.
I am DOWN for that shit!
You have the same attitude the Father of the Constitution, James Madison had. He once told a visitor to his plantation that for each of his ~200 black slaves (white slavery had been outlawed already), he made $257 in profit, and each slave only cost him $13 in upkeep per year.
How VERY efficient an arrangement that was!
And EVERYONE benefited from the lower prices, dontcha know.
Tell ya what I say--hang the modern neoslave-masters...by rule of law and due process, of course.
I think you are bringing up minor imperfections, minor in that they can easily be fixed. What internet vlogs and such really have to offer is brief populist entertainment that contains political content that the tv networks and such will not touch. For example cheap comedy SNL type skits that deal with how mass immigration is killed blue collar American wages. And how that helps the rich and corporations make more money, and how the media is controlled by these rich elite, and how the media support mass immigration. Same goes for outsourcing and such.
Or how the American liberal political paradigm conveniently splits the white working class by using race-guilt propaganda, and how the media and entertainment industry, controlled by the rich, support such race guilt propaganda, and how the the rich and corporations make more money.
Or how about content that deals with how West Europeans get more out of their life, have universal healthcare, work less hours, travel more, becaus their govts are oriented toware providing more for the citizens as opposed to more for the investor-businesses, etc.
THis sort of political content is untouchable in American mainstrem and would satisfy a hunger in Americans.
Or at least a lot closer to it than America is.
And it is just so damn sad to see all the American meat puppets online mewling about how democratic America is.
Look upon their (french) works, ye Americans, and despair....
you can tell a democracy from a republic/dictatorship/oligarchy by seeing how populist the legislature is. The USA was never set up to be a democracy. However, the working people fought and shed blood to get a democracy, or at least a semblance of one. But now even what we were able to wrest from the elite has eroded.
But France, FRANCE, the people are still fighting the battle for a democracy. Democracy is about the national culture and the social contract.
I say HANG this American politicians by their corporatist treason (all by rule of law, of course, in accordance with due process, etc. And if we need to change soms laws to do that, then do it. But hang 'em).
Every senator --as far as can tell-- is a traitor to the American people. Time to indict all American senators for treason. They have given this country over entirely to the rich and the corporations. This is war, economic war, and the Senate, along with the rest of the Washington DC politicians, are all traitors to the AMerican people.
THey are now trying to give us more sales taxes instead of taxing the income and wealth of the upper class.
Treason!
I call for trying all American Senators for treason in a court of law, and if convicted by a jury of their peers, I call for them to be given capital punishment by a judge, in accordance with the rule of law and due process.
WTF is this cryofan talking about?
Well, I hope that copying of copyrighted material IS made impossible. Because when that happens, it means that the content providers will allow the telcos and cable cos to start delivering their content online.
This should bring in another mode of internet connectivity, like wireless, too.
In any event, once content is provided online, PCs will start becoming easily usable for the task of obtaining video online. So lots of people--most Americans probably -- will start getting video online.
THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT STEP IN THE PROGRESS OF BREAKING THE GRIP OF TOP DOWN COMMUNICATIONS IN AMERICA.
Ever thought about why Americans have to work 2000 hours a year to survive, and for practical purposes cannot get longterm healthcare unless they are working? But most west European countries are not this way.
Well, Americans have been under the grip of ideological hegemony for decades now. THat means that the mass media has been effectively used by the elite players in America so that Americans do not operate their own country for their own best interests, but instead for the interests of capital. Capital owns labor to a great extent in America. And we pay for it.
But if video content were commonly obtained online by most Americans, and with video content getting easier to make (edit video and sound with FREE software on your cheap computer), that means that radical political views can be easily disseminated to most America. And when I say radical, I don't mean the race and gender oriented identity politics of the democrats. And I don't mean socialism per se, but instead economics-oriented anarchist-related themes that are really at the root of the cultural differences between W europe and America.
Once these ideas are disseminated to most Americans in a video format, things should start to change.
And with that, neoliberalism should begin to die....