Flame wars may rage on and on. In the end, if all of the people care about getting the work done (rather than just doing it their way), the project will end up much better than if these issues were not fought out.
GNOME is trying to make the most flexible DE solution possible. This allows for very customizible desktop, I never see two identical GNOME desktops. KDE, and to an even further degree Windows, limit the users UI in the name of getting it done now and having it work now. I am not saying this is a bad strategy. Certainly people need software to use now. But only looking at the short term, small scope UI goals means that it is hard to add flexibility later on.
IMO, both ways are good for getting a project done. KDE has a great solution now, and GNOME is still working on their longer-term solution.
MS would never do that, the whole point of designing this feature is that the tags will be in there by default, as 95% of people aren't going to disable them, at least not for a while.
They wouldn't use it if it sucked!
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That's such a poorly stated comment. The full reasons is because:
1) Free
2) Open Source
3) Fast, stable, complete, easy to work with
And yes, you can profit from things you make with open source software, otherwise it'd be awefully useless, eh?:P
My highschool had one computer person, who also taught 5 computer classes. My friend's school is the same way.
I'm not a cracker or anything, but the computers there were about as insecure as you could want them. IT's because the guy didn't have any time to solve such problems! If the computer was comprimised, reinstall it. He didn't have time to set up anything watertight. Nobody in my school really tried anything, because we liked him and didn't wanna lose some class time in programming while he fixed some messed up computer.
I'm not sure about your creative punishment idea. It's a pretty creative idea, and I'm sure some kids would go along with it. Any kid who's honestly a jerk and is malicious about it is just gonna fess up some random weak link that he found, or just say "I was just poking around, someone left their account on."
...I'm not really sad about anything else related to this.
I didn't like Nautilus. I've tried to get used to it, it's ALWAYS slower than command line for me, and I've only been using CLI for about 9 months.
I didn't like Eazel's attitude about distros other than Red Hat, especially early on when I was trying to get into the project. For the longest time during the preview phase, only RH6.2 binaries were available. It took a lot of effort to compile early Nautilus on non-RH systems.
I didn't like the totally half-hearted feel of everything in Nautilus. The.desktop issue, rejection of the Cut/Copy/Paste idea without any substitute, glitchy themes, millions (exaggerating) of processes, the "My Documents" wannabe folder, services that NEVER EVER worked on any of my systems (I didn't spent more than ~30minutes trying to get them to work, but why should I have to try?), few file managing tools (lots of sugary file browsing tools...).
I dunno. I can't claim to have produced much useful software myself. I do lots of bug reports and I give lots of feature feedback.
I sort of think that Nautilus became such a mixed up, inconsistant, gnarled project because it was so corporate and so under the gun. So many pieces of Nautilus seem like they're just self-justification of Eazel's existance. There are some decent features in Nautilus, I don't feel it's crap. There were SO MANY boneheaded problems along the way, though! It's just so sad to see something that could've been good, but was just planned so poorly and executed so hurriedly.
Anyway, I just hope people don't get the idea that Nautilus is the example of the rest of GNOME, and than the rest of GNOME is somehow gonna break down because they lost their newer file manager... there's PLENTY of great app development happening in GNOME, it'll become more apparent as GNOME gets closer to 2.0 and the piece's really start to come together.
Ximian's been really busy trying to get 1.4 out the door. I susupect that in the coming weeks Ximian will return to their old habit of regularly updating packages.
Well, the problem is that there's anti-monopoly laws and things of that nature. In order to prevent AOLTW from being called a merger, they had to agree to open up AIM! They've got no choice, they're obligated to do so!
It's not that it's hard too see what's spam or not, the problem is to actually have to take the mental time to see through the spam. If I get 50 messages in my inbox, with 30 of them spam, it's going to take me a LOT lot longer to scan through my inbox to find important messages.
How would you like it if during every conversation you had, some random person jumped in your way, saying "buy viagra! cheap!" and then walked away. Sure, they didn't convince you at all buy viagra, and they probably wasted their time, but it interrupted what YOU were doing, and took a few seconds out of your life. Now, thanks to technology, people can do that 1000000x as rapidly. This is WRONG. It drains mail servers, bandwidth, and people's time in scanning their inbox.
Now, you won't hear me claiming this is a capital offense. But you're wrong in saying that sending incessant amounts of email, just because it's fairly obvious to be spam, isn't annoying and isn't a total waste of people's time.
Well, they've got to compete against better bugdet cards. A GF2 can be had for ~$150 dollars these days, and it's not 1/4 of the speed of the GF3. Only a small fraction of people are willing to pay that much extra for whatever increase the GF3 provides.
And nvidia still has competition from the Radeon2, and possibly BitBoys, if they ever release something.
And who says the folks who buy these cards don't ALSO give to charity? Do you have any facts to back up this?
There are much richer folks out there than the average hardware geek... why don't you bother them first? Surely the ~$1000 that folks drop on there computers doesn't compare to the $50,000+ that many folks drop on their cars every year, or the $1,000,000+ that some people pay for homes.
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Additionally, you're forgetting that consumers in this country don't buy directly from third-world laborers. We buy from supermarkets, who buy from distributors, who buy from shippers, who buy from farming distributors, who pay the workers. There's no way a consumer can influence this huge chain of sales. There's no chance to "boycott", as we need food from SOMEONE, and all supermarkets I know all behave this way. Unless you have a solution to break this chain, I suggest we worry about domestic problems first.
And simply sending money over isn't the answer. Most of the aid that goes to other countries gets lost in government, and pouring more money in only makes the gov't richer and more influential.
Anyway, please try to give solutions instead of crying about the problems.
If Nvidia can release new products every 6 months, why should they stop? Releasing new cards doesn't make your card any slower. People out there, however, are willing to buy new cards, so nvidia keep making them.
And there's no way that the gf3 will still be $600 a year from now. I'm guessing ~$250 OEM or less. And the release of the gf3 means all of the other cards out there now will be CHEAPER! Yes, the GF3 card that cost $400 a year ago is far below $200.
Fast release cycles make make people feel like they've got outdated technology, but really, they just mean that people get blazing fast products for a fraction of the price.
That's what I've been saying all along! Of COURSE people aren't going to click on those "punch the monkey and win" banners all the time, nor the strobing "Click here to see if you won" ads, or any of that.
If I watch tv and see an ad for, say, a bank, I don't really care. It might be a funny commercial or whatever, but that commercial hasn't made me any more prone to go out and take a $100,000 loan. For that reason, TV marketeers TARGET their ads to people who are most likely to want to see them.
Webpages are terrible at targeting atvertising, as well as picking what's an effective ad. Nobody going to, say, an overclocking site is going to click on a "15mb free web space!" ad, c'mon!
It's sad that sites close down because the banner agencies that pay them are so incompetent that they know NOTHING about advertising.:(
I don't run into the same problem as you, I've got KDE2.1b2 rpms installed on an RH6.2 system, and RC doesn't say a thing about it. Did you --force any of the installs of the rpms? That's something that RC has trouble with, although I agree that "holding" packages back is definitely a feature worth adding to RC.
Also, you do understand that this does not mean Ximian is trying to remove KDE from your system. This other guy thinks that Ximian is in some plot to remove all KDE rpms from people's systems.
Dude, I've got KDE on my system and RC makes NO attempt to remove it. The only reason RC would try to remove is because the install of KDE was --forced. Try doing a little thinking before you declare war!:(
But anyway, Mozilla hasn't yet hit optimizing stages yet, so it won't become fast for another few months. So be patience, and the browser you want will arrive. ^_^
Um, most of the articles aren't pro-Linux, they're anti-Moody. The majority of them state how his facts are wrong, and how calling Linux the worst OS ever is vastly innacurate.
Additionally, would you expect the responses to this article to be anything different? Why should people NOT point out that there is blatant mis-information out there?
Hmm... you must not look very closely. First of all, most of the messages in response to this news is about how the title is misleading, not "KDE sux, GNOME rulz!" messages.
Secondly, you're not only flaming Gnome USERS, you're flaming GNOME itself! You put it down MANY times in your post. You don't even need a GNOME announcement to flame GNOME, you use a KDE announcement! Talk about hypocritical.
Thirdly, you must be blissfully ignorant of the fact that IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH DE IS BETTER! You make it sound like people only care about which DE is better, which is ENTIRELY subjective. If you're sick of people flaming KDE, stop continuing the war! One can't fight a war if nobody shows up!
Oh well, good job KDE... more features are almost always a good thing!
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Flame wars may rage on and on. In the end, if all of the people care about getting the work done (rather than just doing it their way), the project will end up much better than if these issues were not fought out.
GNOME is trying to make the most flexible DE solution possible. This allows for very customizible desktop, I never see two identical GNOME desktops. KDE, and to an even further degree Windows, limit the users UI in the name of getting it done now and having it work now. I am not saying this is a bad strategy. Certainly people need software to use now. But only looking at the short term, small scope UI goals means that it is hard to add flexibility later on.
IMO, both ways are good for getting a project done. KDE has a great solution now, and GNOME is still working on their longer-term solution.
MS would never do that, the whole point of designing this feature is that the tags will be in there by default, as 95% of people aren't going to disable them, at least not for a while.
That's such a poorly stated comment. The full reasons is because:
:P
1) Free
2) Open Source
3) Fast, stable, complete, easy to work with
And yes, you can profit from things you make with open source software, otherwise it'd be awefully useless, eh?
My highschool had one computer person, who also taught 5 computer classes. My friend's school is the same way.
I'm not a cracker or anything, but the computers there were about as insecure as you could want them. IT's because the guy didn't have any time to solve such problems! If the computer was comprimised, reinstall it. He didn't have time to set up anything watertight. Nobody in my school really tried anything, because we liked him and didn't wanna lose some class time in programming while he fixed some messed up computer.
I'm not sure about your creative punishment idea. It's a pretty creative idea, and I'm sure some kids would go along with it. Any kid who's honestly a jerk and is malicious about it is just gonna fess up some random weak link that he found, or just say "I was just poking around, someone left their account on."
...I'm not really sad about anything else related to this.
.desktop issue, rejection of the Cut/Copy/Paste idea without any substitute, glitchy themes, millions (exaggerating) of processes, the "My Documents" wannabe folder, services that NEVER EVER worked on any of my systems (I didn't spent more than ~30minutes trying to get them to work, but why should I have to try?), few file managing tools (lots of sugary file browsing tools...).
I didn't like Nautilus. I've tried to get used to it, it's ALWAYS slower than command line for me, and I've only been using CLI for about 9 months.
I didn't like Eazel's attitude about distros other than Red Hat, especially early on when I was trying to get into the project. For the longest time during the preview phase, only RH6.2 binaries were available. It took a lot of effort to compile early Nautilus on non-RH systems.
I didn't like the totally half-hearted feel of everything in Nautilus. The
I dunno. I can't claim to have produced much useful software myself. I do lots of bug reports and I give lots of feature feedback.
I sort of think that Nautilus became such a mixed up, inconsistant, gnarled project because it was so corporate and so under the gun. So many pieces of Nautilus seem like they're just self-justification of Eazel's existance. There are some decent features in Nautilus, I don't feel it's crap. There were SO MANY boneheaded problems along the way, though! It's just so sad to see something that could've been good, but was just planned so poorly and executed so hurriedly.
Anyway, I just hope people don't get the idea that Nautilus is the example of the rest of GNOME, and than the rest of GNOME is somehow gonna break down because they lost their newer file manager... there's PLENTY of great app development happening in GNOME, it'll become more apparent as GNOME gets closer to 2.0 and the piece's really start to come together.
I've got the tar.gz sitting on my work computer... why would Ximian need to obtain the source?
Ximian's been really busy trying to get 1.4 out the door. I susupect that in the coming weeks Ximian will return to their old habit of regularly updating packages.
Well, the problem is that there's anti-monopoly laws and things of that nature. In order to prevent AOLTW from being called a merger, they had to agree to open up AIM! They've got no choice, they're obligated to do so!
It's not that it's hard too see what's spam or not, the problem is to actually have to take the mental time to see through the spam. If I get 50 messages in my inbox, with 30 of them spam, it's going to take me a LOT lot longer to scan through my inbox to find important messages.
How would you like it if during every conversation you had, some random person jumped in your way, saying "buy viagra! cheap!" and then walked away. Sure, they didn't convince you at all buy viagra, and they probably wasted their time, but it interrupted what YOU were doing, and took a few seconds out of your life. Now, thanks to technology, people can do that 1000000x as rapidly. This is WRONG. It drains mail servers, bandwidth, and people's time in scanning their inbox.
Now, you won't hear me claiming this is a capital offense. But you're wrong in saying that sending incessant amounts of email, just because it's fairly obvious to be spam, isn't annoying and isn't a total waste of people's time.
Couldn't you turn the jammer off?
Well, they've got to compete against better bugdet cards. A GF2 can be had for ~$150 dollars these days, and it's not 1/4 of the speed of the GF3. Only a small fraction of people are willing to pay that much extra for whatever increase the GF3 provides.
And nvidia still has competition from the Radeon2, and possibly BitBoys, if they ever release something.
And who says the folks who buy these cards don't ALSO give to charity? Do you have any facts to back up this?
There are much richer folks out there than the average hardware geek... why don't you bother them first? Surely the ~$1000 that folks drop on there computers doesn't compare to the $50,000+ that many folks drop on their cars every year, or the $1,000,000+ that some people pay for homes.
-
Additionally, you're forgetting that consumers in this country don't buy directly from third-world laborers. We buy from supermarkets, who buy from distributors, who buy from shippers, who buy from farming distributors, who pay the workers. There's no way a consumer can influence this huge chain of sales. There's no chance to "boycott", as we need food from SOMEONE, and all supermarkets I know all behave this way. Unless you have a solution to break this chain, I suggest we worry about domestic problems first.
And simply sending money over isn't the answer. Most of the aid that goes to other countries gets lost in government, and pouring more money in only makes the gov't richer and more influential.
Anyway, please try to give solutions instead of crying about the problems.
If Nvidia can release new products every 6 months, why should they stop? Releasing new cards doesn't make your card any slower. People out there, however, are willing to buy new cards, so nvidia keep making them.
And there's no way that the gf3 will still be $600 a year from now. I'm guessing ~$250 OEM or less. And the release of the gf3 means all of the other cards out there now will be CHEAPER! Yes, the GF3 card that cost $400 a year ago is far below $200.
Fast release cycles make make people feel like they've got outdated technology, but really, they just mean that people get blazing fast products for a fraction of the price.
That's what I've been saying all along! Of COURSE people aren't going to click on those "punch the monkey and win" banners all the time, nor the strobing "Click here to see if you won" ads, or any of that.
:(
If I watch tv and see an ad for, say, a bank, I don't really care. It might be a funny commercial or whatever, but that commercial hasn't made me any more prone to go out and take a $100,000 loan. For that reason, TV marketeers TARGET their ads to people who are most likely to want to see them.
Webpages are terrible at targeting atvertising, as well as picking what's an effective ad. Nobody going to, say, an overclocking site is going to click on a "15mb free web space!" ad, c'mon!
It's sad that sites close down because the banner agencies that pay them are so incompetent that they know NOTHING about advertising.
I don't run into the same problem as you, I've got KDE2.1b2 rpms installed on an RH6.2 system, and RC doesn't say a thing about it. Did you --force any of the installs of the rpms? That's something that RC has trouble with, although I agree that "holding" packages back is definitely a feature worth adding to RC.
Also, you do understand that this does not mean Ximian is trying to remove KDE from your system. This other guy thinks that Ximian is in some plot to remove all KDE rpms from people's systems.
Dude, I've got KDE on my system and RC makes NO attempt to remove it. The only reason RC would try to remove is because the install of KDE was --forced. Try doing a little thinking before you declare war! :(
Um, Netscape is up to at least 4.75...
But anyway, Mozilla hasn't yet hit optimizing stages yet, so it won't become fast for another few months. So be patience, and the browser you want will arrive. ^_^
Even the regular geForce 2's are a better choice than 3dfx...
no, 90% AOL. AOL owns ICQ.
Well, considering Bill Gates makes about 1000x that of RMS (at least!), I think your little joke is kind of lame... :\
Well, was internet "1" originally meant for home use?
iPaq refers to both the handheld and the slim NT workstations... confusing naming, indeed.
Um, most of the articles aren't pro-Linux, they're anti-Moody. The majority of them state how his facts are wrong, and how calling Linux the worst OS ever is vastly innacurate.
Additionally, would you expect the responses to this article to be anything different? Why should people NOT point out that there is blatant mis-information out there?
Hmm... you must not look very closely. First of all, most of the messages in response to this news is about how the title is misleading, not "KDE sux, GNOME rulz!" messages.
Secondly, you're not only flaming Gnome USERS, you're flaming GNOME itself! You put it down MANY times in your post. You don't even need a GNOME announcement to flame GNOME, you use a KDE announcement! Talk about hypocritical.
Thirdly, you must be blissfully ignorant of the fact that IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH DE IS BETTER! You make it sound like people only care about which DE is better, which is ENTIRELY subjective. If you're sick of people flaming KDE, stop continuing the war! One can't fight a war if nobody shows up!
Oh well, good job KDE... more features are almost always a good thing!