God, you may not be a zealot, but you're an idiot.
I was attacking the GPL not because it doesn't let me hoard other peoples work-- it doesn't let me DISTRIBUTE other people's work along with my own!
Its not that I want to close the source of something else-- which, even if I did, would be pretty silly-- its hard to sell soemthing people can get for free.
No, its the fact that by linking with something that is "free" I am FORCED to also give my work away. And that is bullshit.
The problem with the GPL is it wants to lay claim on MY code....
The code other people want to release-- they own, they can release it as they wish, even GPLed.
But if I link against their GPLed code, they're terms are that I have to open MY code as well.
And that is unacceptable to me-- tehy are trying to get their greedy hands on my work.
You have the basic human right to defend yourself. IF you don't have that right, then you don't have the basic human right to live.
The right to life is meaningless without the right to defend yourself-- which derives from it.
This is more fundamental than the second ammendment or anything else-- either you have the right to defend yourself, and can thus claim ownership over your body, or you are a subject- a slave- and do not have that right.
The day we loose the right to own firearms is the day we're fully enslaved (we're already working over %50 of our lives for the government.)
We are one of the last havens of liberty in the world, and we have gone astray-- over the last 30 years the right to self defense has been attacked and whittled down by people such as yourslef who don't respect or understand basic human rights.
Yes, you also have the basic human right to screwdrivers and hammers.
By the way, if guns are worthy of regulation, why not knifes? Far mroe people are murdered with knives each year-- shouldn't they require registration first?
Also cars-- cars kill more people each year. We should get the FBI in there deciding who gets to have a car and who doesn't, with their half assed comptuers that get it wrong half the time.
You're contradicting yourself... you advocate overcrowding to "save money" and at the same time worry about contaminating the mice?
Overcrowding causes sick mice-- hell that's the subject of the freaking article!
You're a mouse abuser and you should be subjected to the same abuse. There's no reason for it-- your complaints about "Cost" are the typical excuse to justify laziness.
Its extremely cheap to provide mice with sufficient space and facilities to lead a reasonable life-- and your research results would be more consistent, too!
I'm not of the touchy-feely environmentalist type, on the contrary, I'm a pure capitalist... but I'm starting to think that peta has a case here....
You take on mice, you also take on the moral responsibility to treat them well. Since mice (And other animals) are not sentient, they don't have the right to life and other human rights we enjoy-- but when you take them out of their natural environment, you do take responsibility for their lives.
And frankly, there are very few cases where tortur- er- experimenting on mice are justified. Computer simulation is more effective, and using mice should be the last step.
Damn, but that is a good counter example. 40 rats to a room (if by room you mean 20inch by 20 inch box) is too many, but you could mean a much bigger room.
Typical for these labs is about 40 mice to a 18 inc by 24 inch cage.... and that is far too many... they can't even find ground to stand on some of them, because they more than cover the floor of the cage.
Glad to hear you played with them... I think rats need that more than mice.
Hey, I'm all for scientific researhc-- that is research not funded by tax money. Its that tax money research that produces no drugs, you silly person.
Abusing mice isn't a good way to test drugs, better to treat them decently... this doesn't require the mouse-ritz, just rational caging and a intro-to-veterinary school understanding of hte animal you're fucking observing. That should not be too much to ask.
But, invariably, it is thoe government funded, poorly thought out, mice abusing hellholes that treat them so poorly.
By the way, I HAVE seen what goes on in a research lab. I guess you haven't, but that doesnt' stop you from calling me "uninformed"... for pointing out mice behaviour.
God, you should go read a book about mice, you fucking asshole.
Mice need a place to hide. They do not like overcrowding.
When they are kept apart, they do not get more stressed. Yes, when they can smell other mice but not see them-- what you'd do in the poor lab conditions you guys keep-- that would stress them. But being alone isn't inherently stressful.
But you're right about one thing-- you are one of those fucking assholes abusing mice. And so typical of slashdot, you have no morality and so you think nothing of it. Go to hell.
Libertarians get elected every time there's an election.
But you do point out that most of the country is in the grip of nationalist socialism. And that's unfortunate. Your sarcasm says that you don't care if they fire up the ovens.
On the contrary-- you are not required (by any law) to show your passport to travel within the US. As such a law would be unconstitutional, they do not pass one. Instead they do it by edict-- the ultimate fascist methodology-- see Gilmore VS Ashcroft.
For a technology site, there sure are a lot of socialists here.
In my opinion, there isn't really a good cross platoform GUI library out there. (Ok, lets just say- using my arbitrary criteria).
I'd consider using Java, as I like the language, and Swing is Ok-- but there are no visual UI tools for swing (again, none that I didn't rule out for one reason or another.)
Interface builder combined with Cocoa is so freaking amazing that once you've used it you become a bit jaded... but when you want to write an app that you know the market is going to be heavily linux and windows weighted, you need to come up with something.
I had been looking at Runtime Revolutions, but they recently changed their licensing structure, and they use the card metaphor, so they're not as appealing -- but they do support one click compilation for windows, linux, mac and a half dozen other unixes.
Realbasic seems a reasonable comrpomise-- I can write my hard core code in Objective-C (easy to port anywhere there's GCC) and do the UI in Basic using RB...
Looks like I'll have to remember how to program in Basic... its been years.
But at least I won't have to use a compromise cross platform GUI toolkit that compromises the Look and Feel. For instance, Qt apps look terrible on the Mac. Real Basic apps look about right on Linux and Windows (And fine on the Mac).
Oh, and after learning Objective-C, I'd rather write in BASIC than C++!
Yes, Objective-C is that good, at least paired with good frameworks (and gnustep is a good framework.)
Your (and the populace in generals) inability to see that both the democrats and the republicans are leading us down the path to nationalist socialism is what allows them to do so.
Notice both parties support these draconaian rules in post 9/11-- both parties voted to go to war with Iraq, passed the patriot act and support patriot two, have endorsed the assault weapons ban, etc.
The german people are not inherently evil, they just didnt' rise up when evil started to take over. The continued perception of americans that there is a difference between the two major parties is what lets you be sheep led to the slaughter.
You want to oppose national socialism-- then WAKE UP! Recognize that Bill Clinton proposed and endorsed the same things, and made progress down the path. The PATRIOT act was a collection of bils Clinton had endorsed and worked toward, but was unable to pass.
Its quite a shame that you cannot see the error of your statement. Nobody is taught to respect or understand human rights these days.
Human Rights do not conflict-- he has the right to all those things because none of them are violating your rights.
A great example of this is the liberal anti-SUV attitude-- they are unable to tell the difference between his right to drive an SUV and their desire to FORCE OTHER PEOPLE TO CONFORM TO POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. The former is a human right, the second is anti-human rights.
By failing to make the distinction, you endorse the anti-human rights position. Or you weren't thinking very clearly.
A slippery slope argument is not a logical fallacy.
If you're going to pull the "logical fallacy" argument, you should at least know what a logical fallacy is.
For instance, you're a fucking idiot is an adhominem, but it is not a logical fallacy-- you can, in fact, be a fucking idiot. But "Your a fucking idiot, therefore you're wrong when you say bush is really a space alien" IS a logical fallacy because how much of a fucking idiot you are has nothing to do with whether george bush is a space alien.
The second example is the logical fallacy of ad hominem. but pointing out that you're a fucking idiot-- or that something is an example of the slippery slope-- is not a logical fallacy.
Now we get to see if moderators moderate on content of the character of a post, or the color of its language.
Ah, another useful idiot. Don't like being demanded to show your papers to the SS on the street corners, stay home! he says>
Sorry. There IS a fundamental righrt to fly. Its calle freedom of association and not only is it fundamental, its in the bill of rights. I have the right to associate with any private company or group of people I choose. The government getting in there and saying who can and cannot fly, and demanding to search people, see ID, etc, is all fundamentaly a violation of this right.
It also violates the right to be free from unreasonable search and siezure. Have you ever heard of a warrent?
Hell, have you ever read the bill of rights?
Jesus its no wonder we're loosing our human rights so quickly- these government school educated browshirts don't know any better.
Germans are not inherently evil... they just sat by while the Nazis took over.
I note once again, this is something that Libertarian politicians would never endorse. Yet the democrats and republicans are lined up behind it-- salivating at the further descent into a police state.
There really is a difference.. and you guys should stop selling out your privacy and freedom for whatever personal benefits you think the state is going to give you by taxing others.
Its not uncommon for mice to wheel-- its akin to a kid riding a block. They get rid of excess energy and its fun for them.
ITs also not uncommon for mice to climb cages and knaw on the bars-- they don't know they aren't wood, and this is also fun behaviour.
But Backflips--or in other cases - random jumps are a sign of serious stress. As I understand it, in these laboratory situations they keep dozens of mice in a tiny area-- and mice are a socially sensitive animal. That is to say, they react to overcrowding, have stress, etc.
I think these mice are being abused, and the people doing it should go to hell. Fucking assholes. You're going to experiment on mice, its your responsibility to treat them decently.
Mice are like any common pet-- they react to pain, can be scared, can be stressed and need some private space.
For your edification, its far easier to produce ammunition than it is heroin. For one thing, it can be made anywhere, anytime. Heroin comes from a crop. For another, ammunition is made with common items readily availible, unlike heroin.
At any rate, whether you want to shoot at targets or shoot up heroin, its an inalianable, fundamental human right to do so. And to advocate the criminalization of either is to show yourself to be a fascist.
Except that the cops you're talking about are criminals-- they took a pledge to uphold the constution. The minute they violate it (by busting someone for drugs) they became the criminal in the situation.
I don't think there are any clean cops in this country anymore. They are addicted to "cocaine money" that they sieze from people who have never done cocaine in their lives- let alone dealt it, or any other drug.
When was the last time you had to get permission from the FBI to buy a car?
Never?
Well, you do every time you want to buy a gun.
This "cars are more regulated than guns" crap is just non-sense you guys use to try and justify violating basic human rights (respected, but not GRANTED, by the second ammendment.)
In the US, Kalisnakov style hunting rifles are uses in way less than %1 of murders, its a fraction of %1 as far as anyone can tell. Certainly not enough to be worth banning (AS our congress people have done.)
All rifles are a small fraction of firearm murders, an firearm murders are a fraction of total-- many people are killed by knives,cars, etc.
Both of you should recognize that canada does not have far lower incidence of murder than the US.
These "statistics" are just a repetition of hte stuff from bowling for Columbine, which were all fabricated by Michael Moore. (They do not fit the FBI stats, and Moore refuses to say where he "got" them from.)
You just have to remember the first rule of gun-fighting:
Bring a gun!
This is why all those gun laws are really idiotic-- people can always have guns -- they can fashion them at home as they are now in britian-- gun laws only disarm the VICTIMS.
The majority of murders in the US are stabbings as well. Meanwhile the vast (and I a million to one) majority of ammunition in the US is used for target practice.
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God, you may not be a zealot, but you're an idiot.
I was attacking the GPL not because it doesn't let me hoard other peoples work-- it doesn't let me DISTRIBUTE other people's work along with my own!
Its not that I want to close the source of something else-- which, even if I did, would be pretty silly-- its hard to sell soemthing people can get for free.
No, its the fact that by linking with something that is "free" I am FORCED to also give my work away. And that is bullshit.
The problem with the GPL is it wants to lay claim on MY code....
The code other people want to release-- they own, they can release it as they wish, even GPLed.
But if I link against their GPLed code, they're terms are that I have to open MY code as well.
And that is unacceptable to me-- tehy are trying to get their greedy hands on my work.
Not the other way around.
You have the basic human right to defend yourself. IF you don't have that right, then you don't have the basic human right to live.
The right to life is meaningless without the right to defend yourself-- which derives from it.
This is more fundamental than the second ammendment or anything else-- either you have the right to defend yourself, and can thus claim ownership over your body, or you are a subject- a slave- and do not have that right.
The day we loose the right to own firearms is the day we're fully enslaved (we're already working over %50 of our lives for the government.)
We are one of the last havens of liberty in the world, and we have gone astray-- over the last 30 years the right to self defense has been attacked and whittled down by people such as yourslef who don't respect or understand basic human rights.
Yes, you also have the basic human right to screwdrivers and hammers.
By the way, if guns are worthy of regulation, why not knifes? Far mroe people are murdered with knives each year-- shouldn't they require registration first?
Also cars-- cars kill more people each year. We should get the FBI in there deciding who gets to have a car and who doesn't, with their half assed comptuers that get it wrong half the time.
Your ignorance of the law, and facts about firearms is only exceeded by your desire for fascism.
Firearms are far more regulated than cars. There is no such thing as "fingerprinting" ballistics-- the ballistics change every time the item is fired.
Historically, gun registration leads to gun confiscation. Gun confiscation leads to holocausts.
That's why the "gun nuts" care about guns. You take away the guns, and there's nothing to stop the state from firing up the ovens.
You're contradicting yourself... you advocate overcrowding to "save money" and at the same time worry about contaminating the mice?
Overcrowding causes sick mice-- hell that's the subject of the freaking article!
You're a mouse abuser and you should be subjected to the same abuse. There's no reason for it-- your complaints about "Cost" are the typical excuse to justify laziness.
Its extremely cheap to provide mice with sufficient space and facilities to lead a reasonable life-- and your research results would be more consistent, too!
I'm not of the touchy-feely environmentalist type, on the contrary, I'm a pure capitalist... but I'm starting to think that peta has a case here....
You take on mice, you also take on the moral responsibility to treat them well. Since mice (And other animals) are not sentient, they don't have the right to life and other human rights we enjoy-- but when you take them out of their natural environment, you do take responsibility for their lives.
And frankly, there are very few cases where tortur- er- experimenting on mice are justified. Computer simulation is more effective, and using mice should be the last step.
Not the first one.
Damn, but that is a good counter example. 40 rats to a room (if by room you mean 20inch by 20 inch box) is too many, but you could mean a much bigger room.
Typical for these labs is about 40 mice to a 18 inc by 24 inch cage.... and that is far too many... they can't even find ground to stand on some of them, because they more than cover the floor of the cage.
Glad to hear you played with them... I think rats need that more than mice.
Hey, I'm all for scientific researhc-- that is research not funded by tax money. Its that tax money research that produces no drugs, you silly person.
Abusing mice isn't a good way to test drugs, better to treat them decently... this doesn't require the mouse-ritz, just rational caging and a intro-to-veterinary school understanding of hte animal you're fucking observing. That should not be too much to ask.
But, invariably, it is thoe government funded, poorly thought out, mice abusing hellholes that treat them so poorly.
By the way, I HAVE seen what goes on in a research lab. I guess you haven't, but that doesnt' stop you from calling me "uninformed"
God, you should go read a book about mice, you fucking asshole.
Mice need a place to hide. They do not like overcrowding.
When they are kept apart, they do not get more stressed. Yes, when they can smell other mice but not see them-- what you'd do in the poor lab conditions you guys keep-- that would stress them. But being alone isn't inherently stressful.
But you're right about one thing-- you are one of those fucking assholes abusing mice. And so typical of slashdot, you have no morality and so you think nothing of it. Go to hell.
Bike. You and your Bike. I dunno how it came out "block". Maybe I was going for "bike around the block".
Libertarians get elected every time there's an election.
But you do point out that most of the country is in the grip of nationalist socialism. And that's unfortunate. Your sarcasm says that you don't care if they fire up the ovens.
On the contrary-- you are not required (by any law) to show your passport to travel within the US. As such a law would be unconstitutional, they do not pass one. Instead they do it by edict-- the ultimate fascist methodology-- see Gilmore VS Ashcroft.
For a technology site, there sure are a lot of socialists here.
In my opinion, there isn't really a good cross platoform GUI library out there. (Ok, lets just say- using my arbitrary criteria).
I'd consider using Java, as I like the language, and Swing is Ok-- but there are no visual UI tools for swing (again, none that I didn't rule out for one reason or another.)
Interface builder combined with Cocoa is so freaking amazing that once you've used it you become a bit jaded... but when you want to write an app that you know the market is going to be heavily linux and windows weighted, you need to come up with something.
I had been looking at Runtime Revolutions, but they recently changed their licensing structure, and they use the card metaphor, so they're not as appealing -- but they do support one click compilation for windows, linux, mac and a half dozen other unixes.
Realbasic seems a reasonable comrpomise-- I can write my hard core code in Objective-C (easy to port anywhere there's GCC) and do the UI in Basic using RB...
Looks like I'll have to remember how to program in Basic... its been years.
But at least I won't have to use a compromise cross platform GUI toolkit that compromises the Look and Feel. For instance, Qt apps look terrible on the Mac. Real Basic apps look about right on Linux and Windows (And fine on the Mac).
Oh, and after learning Objective-C, I'd rather write in BASIC than C++!
Yes, Objective-C is that good, at least paired with good frameworks (and gnustep is a good framework.)
Your (and the populace in generals) inability to see that both the democrats and the republicans are leading us down the path to nationalist socialism is what allows them to do so.
Notice both parties support these draconaian rules in post 9/11-- both parties voted to go to war with Iraq, passed the patriot act and support patriot two, have endorsed the assault weapons ban, etc.
The german people are not inherently evil, they just didnt' rise up when evil started to take over. The continued perception of americans that there is a difference between the two major parties is what lets you be sheep led to the slaughter.
You want to oppose national socialism-- then WAKE UP! Recognize that Bill Clinton proposed and endorsed the same things, and made progress down the path. The PATRIOT act was a collection of bils Clinton had endorsed and worked toward, but was unable to pass.
WAKE UP people!
Its quite a shame that you cannot see the error of your statement. Nobody is taught to respect or understand human rights these days.
Human Rights do not conflict-- he has the right to all those things because none of them are violating your rights.
A great example of this is the liberal anti-SUV attitude-- they are unable to tell the difference between his right to drive an SUV and their desire to FORCE OTHER PEOPLE TO CONFORM TO POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. The former is a human right, the second is anti-human rights.
By failing to make the distinction, you endorse the anti-human rights position. Or you weren't thinking very clearly.
A slippery slope argument is not a logical fallacy.
If you're going to pull the "logical fallacy" argument, you should at least know what a logical fallacy is.
For instance, you're a fucking idiot is an adhominem, but it is not a logical fallacy-- you can, in fact, be a fucking idiot. But "Your a fucking idiot, therefore you're wrong when you say bush is really a space alien" IS a logical fallacy because how much of a fucking idiot you are has nothing to do with whether george bush is a space alien.
The second example is the logical fallacy of ad hominem. but pointing out that you're a fucking idiot-- or that something is an example of the slippery slope-- is not a logical fallacy.
Now we get to see if moderators moderate on content of the character of a post, or the color of its language.
Ah, another useful idiot. Don't like being demanded to show your papers to the SS on the street corners, stay home! he says>
Sorry. There IS a fundamental righrt to fly. Its calle freedom of association and not only is it fundamental, its in the bill of rights. I have the right to associate with any private company or group of people I choose. The government getting in there and saying who can and cannot fly, and demanding to search people, see ID, etc, is all fundamentaly a violation of this right.
It also violates the right to be free from unreasonable search and siezure. Have you ever heard of a warrent?
Hell, have you ever read the bill of rights?
Jesus its no wonder we're loosing our human rights so quickly- these government school educated browshirts don't know any better.
Germans are not inherently evil... they just sat by while the Nazis took over.
I note once again, this is something that Libertarian politicians would never endorse. Yet the democrats and republicans are lined up behind it-- salivating at the further descent into a police state.
There really is a difference.. and you guys should stop selling out your privacy and freedom for whatever personal benefits you think the state is going to give you by taxing others.
Its not uncommon for mice to wheel-- its akin to a kid riding a block. They get rid of excess energy and its fun for them.
ITs also not uncommon for mice to climb cages and knaw on the bars-- they don't know they aren't wood, and this is also fun behaviour.
But Backflips--or in other cases - random jumps are a sign of serious stress. As I understand it, in these laboratory situations they keep dozens of mice in a tiny area-- and mice are a socially sensitive animal. That is to say, they react to overcrowding, have stress, etc.
I think these mice are being abused, and the people doing it should go to hell. Fucking assholes. You're going to experiment on mice, its your responsibility to treat them decently.
Mice are like any common pet-- they react to pain, can be scared, can be stressed and need some private space.
Ah, so proud of your ignorance.
For your edification, its far easier to produce ammunition than it is heroin. For one thing, it can be made anywhere, anytime. Heroin comes from a crop. For another, ammunition is made with common items readily availible, unlike heroin.
At any rate, whether you want to shoot at targets or shoot up heroin, its an inalianable, fundamental human right to do so. And to advocate the criminalization of either is to show yourself to be a fascist.
Except that the cops you're talking about are criminals-- they took a pledge to uphold the constution. The minute they violate it (by busting someone for drugs) they became the criminal in the situation.
I don't think there are any clean cops in this country anymore. They are addicted to "cocaine money" that they sieze from people who have never done cocaine in their lives- let alone dealt it, or any other drug.
When was the last time you had to get permission from the FBI to buy a car?
Never?
Well, you do every time you want to buy a gun.
This "cars are more regulated than guns" crap is just non-sense you guys use to try and justify violating basic human rights (respected, but not GRANTED, by the second ammendment.)
BTW- there is no "three guns a month" law.
In the US, Kalisnakov style hunting rifles are uses in way less than %1 of murders, its a fraction of %1 as far as anyone can tell. Certainly not enough to be worth banning (AS our congress people have done.)
All rifles are a small fraction of firearm murders, an firearm murders are a fraction of total-- many people are killed by knives
Thanks for brining up another example of idiot pacifists failing to do their duty-- why the hell were none of those teachers armed?
Clearly they were derelict in their duty, as they didn't even attempt to protect those kids properly.
Shame on them.
Both of you should recognize that canada does not have far lower incidence of murder than the US.
These "statistics" are just a repetition of hte stuff from bowling for Columbine, which were all fabricated by Michael Moore. (They do not fit the FBI stats, and Moore refuses to say where he "got" them from.)
Oh, that's easy.
You just have to remember the first rule of gun-fighting:
Bring a gun!
This is why all those gun laws are really idiotic-- people can always have guns -- they can fashion them at home as they are now in britian-- gun laws only disarm the VICTIMS.
The majority of murders in the US are stabbings as well. Meanwhile the vast (and I a million to one) majority of ammunition in the US is used for target practice.
How could it be too deep when you're replying to a zeolot making the quote?