The iPod does not get that loud... or, at least mine never will. The loudness has to do with the size of the earphones, and if you use regular sized earphones with your iPod you find that the current it provides isn't enough to drive the larger magnets at a high volume.
Thus, my problem is more often that he iPod is too quiet, not too loud, especially in noisy environments.
This is just another example of the idiot state deciding it knows what's best for people and ignoring not only the fact people should have human rights (like self determination) but also the laws of physics!
The loudness of a device without builtin speakers is dependant on the size of the speakers its asked to drive! In this case, even my unrestricted US iPod is too quiet with my prefered headphones.
Government is a disease masquarading as its own cure.
By the way, I mentioned the broken window fallacy... this is the underpinning error of all government programs-- the value invested in schools will always be less than the value that parents would have paid to send their kids to schools of their choice--- even in the case where the number of actual dollars out of pocket is the same in both examples.
For an illustration of htis, I refer you to the story about the baker and his broken window... which may exist on the net but is contained in Henry Hazlits "Economics in one lesson". Doing a search on "Broken window fallacy" may bring it up.
Thus the very act of taxation insures that the quality of education will be lower than the free market alternative.
Mises.org makes an economic case. Most people are deluded because they think its moral to commit violence.
That's the hump they need to get over.... as long as they think crime is moral, they aren't goign to listen to economics.
But I'm glad to see you put mises.org in our sig... I do love that website.
If you get a chance, download Rothbards "What has the government done to our money" a 58 page easy to read book... or read one of his essays on teh subject (I forget its name but it should be obvious when you're there.)
What guarantees the teachers in private schools will be better (both in ideology and in cost effectiveness) is two things:
1) The free market continually improves due to the feedback of consumers. Do a poor job, and your profits suffer. 2) The government on the other hand, reinforces on doing a poor job-- do a poor job, and you get to claim a "need" for more tax revenue.
The money spent per-pupil in the USA over the last 20 years on education has been going up and up and up and up, and the quality of education has been going down, down, down.
I say there's an economic reason for that. I think you recognize it as well when it comes to everything else- cars, food, computers.
Education is no different-- and its not like people can't afford to pay for private schools-- the poorest already are paying for the schools right now-- they're just not getting their money's worth. And neither is anyone else.
That number does not count the vast majority of Macs sold, and double counts a significant proporation of windows machines sold. How can you make claim about Mac sales when you don't count sales of Macs by mail order, the apple stores, the apple online store, or independant mac sellers? Hmmmm.
And yet, despite knowing this (you should know it) you take it to be truth?
Probaby because you believe what you want to believe, despite the facts.
By the way, Macs have been cheaper than, say, Dells, since 1996.
The difference is we are capable of reason, and animals are not.
Thus, animals do not have human rights. But that does not mean that any human who abusese animals-- as the other people in this thread advocate-- is guilt free.
Hey dipshit. The topic is "LGPL is viral for Java".
In fact, you cannot link againts LGPL code without being forced to open your code as well. That's what the topic of this thread is about.
If the GPL fascists werent' after everyone elses code, they wouldn't force people who link against their code to open their code.
Bottom line-- if you want to release open source code, good for you. But if you want to force me to open source all my code for using some of yours, you can go piss off.
Thats the logical equivilent of you giving $50 to a charity and then demanding that I give them $500.
Jesus, but you must be dense to ignore this fundamental fact.
If that's the job of the teacher, then less than 1/10 of one percent of the "teachers" in the public school system qualify.
The purpose and effect of the public school system is to indoctrinate the kids. That's why education is always in trouble-- educating them is not the goal at all, and so education never improves.
Privatize the school systems and let parents choose schools for their kids where their kids will actually learn something. Right now, all we have are government indoctrination camps, and a few expensive private schools. Privatize the system and there will be plenty of private choices for kids that the parents can afford and that will actually teach them.
Ever heard of the broken window fallacy of economics?
And you can see that once again, slashdot moderators moderate based on how they feel about a post, not based on its content.
Poor moderation is why slashdot sucks. Its political correctness to a fine degree-- if someone expresses an opinion that goes against the hive mind, they are bashed down and nobody has to be bothered by the politically incorrect.
Metamoderation shoudl be catching these false troll posts, but then, metamoderation is done by the same people who do moderation.
Even worse-- once you complain about moderation, you are banned from ever being a moderator!
Well, if you'd read the book you'd realize that the post you're referring to is idiotic-- anti-intellectual.
IF you've only read about a hundred pages of Atlas, then you should try reading it again... it takes awhile to get going and initially you find yourself saying "these characters are unrealistic"... but eventually, you realize they are very realistic-- its preconcieved notions that make them seem unrealistic at first.
Only a little bit. They are C++ and so that worries me, but more importantly, their Mac OS X Screenshots look very un-mac like.
I come from the old school where we'd write games to support multiple platforms and re-write the UI in native code for each platform. I'd rather do that than ship something that does not look right on the Mac (especially on the Mac where when you do a Windows L&F or a Linux L&F it sticks out really bad.)
Otherwise, I'm happy to believe that vxWorks is a good project. If I wasn't such a stickler for L&F, others like Qt might be good candidates as well (Though Qt is also too expensive.)
Thanks for the recommendation though! IT took me awhile before I first found vx back when I started looking for xplat toolkits. Hopefully someone reading this thread will follow your link and find it useful.
The problem with the GPL is, tehy want to force me to give up my code.
The idea behind the GPL is nobody should ever have to pay for any software-- but that is a pointless, stupid, socialist idea.
I don't want the GPLed code-- I refuse to use it and I'm telling you why.
So piss off with your bullshit fantasy that I want your code.
Now, people who have released code under open source licenses (unlike GPL) I do use... and I contribute to, and I also release some of my code under these same licenses.
Your insistance that I should not be allowed to sell my code is just your typical greed- you want your hands on my code and are pissed off that I'm actually expecting you to pay for it.
Well tough.
Open source code is opened for a reason. Closed source is closed for a reason. The GPL wants to pretend that everyone should have to open their code-- look at RMS bitching and moaning whenever anyone actually sells software.
He's the intellectual father of the modern Libertarian movement in the USA.
Since you claim to be a libertarian, I suggest you read some Rothbard.
You can aslo read some mises as they were very much in sync.... you can get Rothbard books and Mises boosk for free at www.mises.org.
Since you claim to be a libertarian, you should learn some o the economics behind it.
If we had a totally free market education system, FEWER children would go without an education than do so today. FEWER.
The problem with your understandign of libertarianism is that you just don't get it. No matter how wrong they are, parents have the right to teach their kids that there's a god, homosexualis should die, etc.
The reason I call you a socialist is because you are-- you just seem to call yourself a libertarian, and claim that the libertarian flash is belittleing-- even when you don't even seem to get it.
If you understood libertarianism, you would never say that you have the right to force parents to teach their kids things YOU believe in that they don't!
On the contrary-- in the first example you give, nothing is contributed back to the community. The company bought the code.
In the second example- the BSD example- you now have company paid programmers working on the code-- but since they aren't the only ones, they have to keep in sync with the improvementso fo thers, so they contribute code back to the community.
But the point is not that companies want your code--- this is the thing that GPL zeolots cant' seem to understadn-- its the virus nature of the GPL.
The GPL forces people to give up code that they rightfully own-- it REMOVES THE CHOICE OF LICENSE from their code by forcing them to release their code GPLed.
They'd ratehr not do this, so they don't even bother with the GPLed code and try to find some BSD code they can link against and work with.
For example, I may be writing a financial application, but I want to have it automatically send email. Rather than writing an SMTP server, I'd want to embed one.
If I find some GPL SMTP code, then in order to embed the email functionality, I ahve to open source all the financial functionality? That's bullshit! That's the FSF trying to STEAL my code!
Instead, I'll find a BSD style one, embed it, sell my financial stuff, knowing that selling smtp code by itself would be pointless and that all teh value people are paying for is the financial code. And then contribute back to the smtp project any issues or improvements I have to their smtp code.
GPL prevents this-- it would force me to give away the code I'm tryign to sell.
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Color me surprised that Slashdotters are jumping in to support the government mandating morality.
Nevermind that there's no way in hell an iPod can put out 104db, nor that many people use headphones that lower the volume due to the larger driver.
This is just like those people who want to make it illeagal to eat fatty food, smoke, have sex, or drive a sports car.
When did the idea that people should be able to run their own life beceme so radical?
How absurd.
The iPod does not get that loud... or, at least mine never will. The loudness has to do with the size of the earphones, and if you use regular sized earphones with your iPod you find that the current it provides isn't enough to drive the larger magnets at a high volume.
Thus, my problem is more often that he iPod is too quiet, not too loud, especially in noisy environments.
This is just another example of the idiot state deciding it knows what's best for people and ignoring not only the fact people should have human rights (like self determination) but also the laws of physics!
The loudness of a device without builtin speakers is dependant on the size of the speakers its asked to drive! In this case, even my unrestricted US iPod is too quiet with my prefered headphones.
Government is a disease masquarading as its own cure.
By the way, I mentioned the broken window fallacy... this is the underpinning error of all government programs-- the value invested in schools will always be less than the value that parents would have paid to send their kids to schools of their choice--- even in the case where the number of actual dollars out of pocket is the same in both examples.
For an illustration of htis, I refer you to the story about the baker and his broken window... which may exist on the net but is contained in Henry Hazlits "Economics in one lesson". Doing a search on "Broken window fallacy" may bring it up.
Thus the very act of taxation insures that the quality of education will be lower than the free market alternative.
You have conceded my point. The GPL attempts to prevent anyone from profiting from software.
This is foolish-- as it is the profit that allows companies to pay their employes to WRITE OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE.
This is why GPL is increasingly a failure, and the BSD style licenses (look at apache and mozilla) are successes.
Excpet that with every post, I make my case, I prove it, etc.
You are apparently just able to call me names. Not even original ones at that.
Boring.
Mises.org makes an economic case. Most people are deluded because they think its moral to commit violence.
That's the hump they need to get over.... as long as they think crime is moral, they aren't goign to listen to economics.
But I'm glad to see you put mises.org in our sig... I do love that website.
If you get a chance, download Rothbards "What has the government done to our money" a 58 page easy to read book... or read one of his essays on teh subject (I forget its name but it should be obvious when you're there.)
Good stuff.
What guarantees the teachers in private schools will be better (both in ideology and in cost effectiveness) is two things:
1) The free market continually improves due to the feedback of consumers. Do a poor job, and your profits suffer.
2) The government on the other hand, reinforces on doing a poor job-- do a poor job, and you get to claim a "need" for more tax revenue.
The money spent per-pupil in the USA over the last 20 years on education has been going up and up and up and up, and the quality of education has been going down, down, down.
I say there's an economic reason for that. I think you recognize it as well when it comes to everything else- cars, food, computers.
Education is no different-- and its not like people can't afford to pay for private schools-- the poorest already are paying for the schools right now-- they're just not getting their money's worth. And neither is anyone else.
That number does not count the vast majority of Macs sold, and double counts a significant proporation of windows machines sold. How can you make claim about Mac sales when you don't count sales of Macs by mail order, the apple stores, the apple online store, or independant mac sellers? Hmmmm.
And yet, despite knowing this (you should know it) you take it to be truth?
Probaby because you believe what you want to believe, despite the facts.
By the way, Macs have been cheaper than, say, Dells, since 1996.
With reason you can make decisions and take responsibility for your actions. Without reason, you cannot, you are acting in an instinctual manner.
The difference is we are capable of reason, and animals are not.
Thus, animals do not have human rights. But that does not mean that any human who abusese animals-- as the other people in this thread advocate-- is guilt free.
If you think you've presented an argument
Clearly you're not a scientist...
But I do find it amusing that two people who claim to be working in labs are calling me uninformed and saying exactly opposite things!
But your ignorance is pretty wide an deep- mice don't have instincts? You don't even know what instincts are?
Why is slashdot full of idiotsl ike you? Where do the people who actually learned to think hang out? I want to go there.
Hey dipshit. The topic is "LGPL is viral for Java".
In fact, you cannot link againts LGPL code without being forced to open your code as well. That's what the topic of this thread is about.
If the GPL fascists werent' after everyone elses code, they wouldn't force people who link against their code to open their code.
Bottom line-- if you want to release open source code, good for you. But if you want to force me to open source all my code for using some of yours, you can go piss off.
Thats the logical equivilent of you giving $50 to a charity and then demanding that I give them $500.
Jesus, but you must be dense to ignore this fundamental fact.
If that's the job of the teacher, then less than 1/10 of one percent of the "teachers" in the public school system qualify.
The purpose and effect of the public school system is to indoctrinate the kids. That's why education is always in trouble-- educating them is not the goal at all, and so education never improves.
Privatize the school systems and let parents choose schools for their kids where their kids will actually learn something. Right now, all we have are government indoctrination camps, and a few expensive private schools. Privatize the system and there will be plenty of private choices for kids that the parents can afford and that will actually teach them.
Ever heard of the broken window fallacy of economics?
Lets not forget who butters Gartners bread-- Microsoft.
For years this company has been spreading FUD about microsoft competitors... making up performance and market share numbers.
When they bashed the mac, you guys said "See, macs are too expensive and their marketshare is only %2"
Now that they are spreading fud about Linux, you should recognize that all tehy are is a marketing firm in Microsoft's employ.
"Analysis-- its the new marketing!"
Don't take them too seriously, and point this out to anyone who does.
And you can see that once again, slashdot moderators moderate based on how they feel about a post, not based on its content.
Poor moderation is why slashdot sucks. Its political correctness to a fine degree-- if someone expresses an opinion that goes against the hive mind, they are bashed down and nobody has to be bothered by the politically incorrect.
Metamoderation shoudl be catching these false troll posts, but then, metamoderation is done by the same people who do moderation.
Even worse-- once you complain about moderation, you are banned from ever being a moderator!
Well, if you'd read the book you'd realize that the post you're referring to is idiotic-- anti-intellectual.
IF you've only read about a hundred pages of Atlas, then you should try reading it again... it takes awhile to get going and initially you find yourself saying "these characters are unrealistic"... but eventually, you realize they are very realistic-- its preconcieved notions that make them seem unrealistic at first.
Only a little bit. They are C++ and so that worries me, but more importantly, their Mac OS X Screenshots look very un-mac like.
I come from the old school where we'd write games to support multiple platforms and re-write the UI in native code for each platform. I'd rather do that than ship something that does not look right on the Mac (especially on the Mac where when you do a Windows L&F or a Linux L&F it sticks out really bad.)
Otherwise, I'm happy to believe that vxWorks is a good project. If I wasn't such a stickler for L&F, others like Qt might be good candidates as well (Though Qt is also too expensive.)
Thanks for the recommendation though! IT took me awhile before I first found vx back when I started looking for xplat toolkits. Hopefully someone reading this thread will follow your link and find it useful.
On the contrary, I know what I'm talking about. The typical slashdot poster-- yourself-- has no clue.
You should realize that there are people out there that actually have experience in the subject. Not all of us are idiot script kiddies like yourself.
Uh, you're not paying attention, are you?
I'm writing my own code from scratch.
The problem with the GPL is, tehy want to force me to give up my code.
The idea behind the GPL is nobody should ever have to pay for any software-- but that is a pointless, stupid, socialist idea.
I don't want the GPLed code-- I refuse to use it and I'm telling you why.
So piss off with your bullshit fantasy that I want your code.
Now, people who have released code under open source licenses (unlike GPL) I do use... and I contribute to, and I also release some of my code under these same licenses.
Your insistance that I should not be allowed to sell my code is just your typical greed- you want your hands on my code and are pissed off that I'm actually expecting you to pay for it.
Well tough.
Open source code is opened for a reason. Closed source is closed for a reason. The GPL wants to pretend that everyone should have to open their code-- look at RMS bitching and moaning whenever anyone actually sells software.
And where do you get the right to brainwash someone elses kids into thinking exactly like YOU do?
If anyone has more rights to a kids education, its the kids parents. Not you.
Pure socialist thinking-- "we need centralized education so we can raise good non-thinking marxists".
The point isn't to be John Galt-- the point is to be your own person.
Maybe you need to actually read that book.
Touche! Congrats, you hooked me. Doh! etc. etc.
what's the point of a good hateful rant when the other guy wasn't serious... damn.
Do you know who Murrey Rothbard is?
He's the intellectual father of the modern Libertarian movement in the USA.
Since you claim to be a libertarian, I suggest you read some Rothbard.
You can aslo read some mises as they were very much in sync.... you can get Rothbard books and Mises boosk for free at www.mises.org.
Since you claim to be a libertarian, you should learn some o the economics behind it.
If we had a totally free market education system, FEWER children would go without an education than do so today. FEWER.
The problem with your understandign of libertarianism is that you just don't get it. No matter how wrong they are, parents have the right to teach their kids that there's a god, homosexualis should die, etc.
The reason I call you a socialist is because you are-- you just seem to call yourself a libertarian, and claim that the libertarian flash is belittleing-- even when you don't even seem to get it.
If you understood libertarianism, you would never say that you have the right to force parents to teach their kids things YOU believe in that they don't!
Everything.
On the contrary-- in the first example you give, nothing is contributed back to the community. The company bought the code.
In the second example- the BSD example- you now have company paid programmers working on the code-- but since they aren't the only ones, they have to keep in sync with the improvementso fo thers, so they contribute code back to the community.
But the point is not that companies want your code--- this is the thing that GPL zeolots cant' seem to understadn-- its the virus nature of the GPL.
The GPL forces people to give up code that they rightfully own-- it REMOVES THE CHOICE OF LICENSE from their code by forcing them to release their code GPLed.
They'd ratehr not do this, so they don't even bother with the GPLed code and try to find some BSD code they can link against and work with.
For example, I may be writing a financial application, but I want to have it automatically send email. Rather than writing an SMTP server, I'd want to embed one.
If I find some GPL SMTP code, then in order to embed the email functionality, I ahve to open source all the financial functionality? That's bullshit! That's the FSF trying to STEAL my code!
Instead, I'll find a BSD style one, embed it, sell my financial stuff, knowing that selling smtp code by itself would be pointless and that all teh value people are paying for is the financial code. And then contribute back to the smtp project any issues or improvements I have to their smtp code.
GPL prevents this-- it would force me to give away the code I'm tryign to sell.