But performance with 200 tabs open has no (direct) connection to marketshare in any way.
Yeah it doesn't. And I really hate Chrome's interface and their many many bugs and shortcomings with many tabs opened. But it still beats firefox in about every vector. I want a stable 64 bit firefox release for windows for years. I use IE (for online banking mostly), Firefox (now mainly because of Firebug since they started the rolling release nonsense), Chrome (as my main generic browser) and Opera (as an "alternate" generic browser). By my experience with chrome, I don't need a 64 bit browser, as long as I can use the keyboard to navigate trough tabs.
My work requires me to be fluent in different technogies and environments, so I always have a ton of tabs related to some specific product segment, some tabs related to whatever I'm working on at the moment, and some tabs related to whatever I was working yesterday. One day it maybe a samba issue, other day maybe it's a specific postgresql optimization. Right now I have postgresql's C# references, Magento API references, some programs to test/analyze/review, some Zend Framework 2.0 documentation, a OpenBSD PF examples and documentation, iSCSI FreeBSD documentation, some x86 assembly stuff, some 8052 microcontroller assembly, some pages with the CR2 format (Canon Raw Format), a font editing program, and some new/unknown DNS servers I picked up from a Slashdot story a while ago, This resumes the ~90 tabs I have _right now_ on chrome, at home. I have almost as much opened at work.
Here here. I usually reboot my main machine once a month (and that's when Chrome is shutdown), but Firefox will happily crash/be unresponsive/whatever probably a dozen times during that period. If I see a video and it's choking, I already know - its time to kill firefox again. And the funny thing is, I hate Chrome's interface. That stupid menu, the lack of titlebar, the lack of statusbar, the annoying habit of shrinking the tabsize until you ca't actually read the tab's name, the bugs in the tab interface when you are out of screen (I actually use the keyboard to navigate trough tabs!), it makes me want to hit someone. But compared to firefox, it's awesome. It actually works. It doesn't suck up my memory like there's no tomorrow. I can close (or kill) misbehaved/buggy pages without bringing down the whole browser. If Chrome ever gets something like a full-featured firebug, I probably won't use firefox ever again.
The funny thing is, I use Firefox since it was called Phoenix, the unbloated stripped-down fork of Mozilla Navigator. How things have changed...
Firebug is the only major reason why I still use Firefox, and for years I've had a VM just for running firefox+firebug, because in my main machine, it was almost impossible to use if too much tabs are open. I find myself using more and more Chrome's tools for development, but it's not up to par with firebug yet, specially javascript debugging. But it is fun to reinstall firebug every damn time I restart firefox, because there's a new browser version and they changed plugin compatibility one more time.
Yeah, the problem is when the browser actually needs more memory. I usually have between 100 and 200 tabs open in firefox, and the memory limit (and the memory leaks) are annoying. Firefox is a memory hog (and here usually dies of memory starvation sooner or later), but interestingly enough, there is no stable 64 bit release for windows. I hate Crome's interface, but it is now my main browser, because it behaves so much better than firefox.
I'm not shure chrome is that noisy disk-wise, or how the parent AC measured it (so I'm not confirming it or questioning it), but I find amusing the irony of putting a disk cache in ram so it won't mess things up:)
My daughter is almost 3 years old and never was one of those kids that put stuff in their mouth. I've seen kids the same age that would literally lick everything, so I guess it depends more of the kid itself than the parenting skills. And you are absolutely right, there's no way parents can watch their kids everytime, and some kids are really prone to this kind of events.
If your flat screen is sitting on a tempered glass tabletop, they probably don't need to knock the tv for that to happen. Tempered glass is very sensitive to heat variations, and prone to defects that can make it break apart under tension. The crt tv sets were often too heavy for this kind of furniture, but now is quite popular.
I don't know how old you are (I'm in my thirties) but when I was a kid was pretty common for kids to try to optimize both the blast and the projectile type. And yes, I did try to shoot people, without success:)
What money are you talking about?
It is common practice to award bonuses to employees when a company has a solid economic base an has had an outstanding year. Most of the times, small business have neither a solid economic base or an outstanding year. You seem to think that "the bosses" fill their pocket with money hard earned by their employees - that's not how companies work, specially small companies.
And why should I be patting employees in the back when they do the job they are paid for?
What was that risk, considering they pay themselves a salary out of the companies income, companies which when they go broke often leave a pile of debts and employees with lost benefits but owners with the benefits of inflated salaries (ready to kick off another business in another location). So tell me, oh great risk taker, did you risk as much as a policeman risks, did you risk as much as a soldier risk, did you risk as much as a fireman risks or did you risk just a percentage of what poor people don't even have to risk.
I don't know what backwater third world country you are talking about, or if you are just trolling. Where I live, if a company goes bankrupt, and has pending taxes, healthcare contibutions and salaries, the owers are responsible for them. Criminally responsible. and if the company went bankrupt because of management errors, the owners may find themselves in real legal trouble, as in possibility of jailtime. And it's funny you mention the idea that you can get away with it and start somewhere else - well, if you had debts to the banks, that means no credit whatsoever, no checks, no credit on suppliers. Good luck starting a business without banks. And yes, I know people that are paying for broke companies until they die.
And then you give some pretty stupid examples.Every example you gave of risk jobs are actually pretty safe. There are more people killed by cars when walking every year than cops that die in service. and fyi I was a soldier, but hey, now you say I'm rich. How nice of you. Tell me, how many jobs did you create last year? How much taxes and healthcare fees did you pay last year? How much of your profits did you donate last year? From your speech, I'd guess it's a round number, right?
It's easy to criticize those who assume the risk of creating a company, those who actually put their money where their mouth is. I don't know _ONE_ small business manager that works less than any other employer. Most people do their job, punch the card, go home and at the end of the month they get their paycheck - bosses have a lot of responsability on their hands, and it doesn't go away just because it's time to go home. Shure, there are bosses that are greedy bastards, liars, cheaters and thieves - but you also have a lot of workers with that traits. Probably many of them would not work if they could live without the paycheck, and not because they don't like their job.
Being boss/manager/whatever is not as glamorous as slashdot posts describe. I have no problem arriving at 11am at the office, because many times I was up late working. I have no problem in taking 3h lunch with clients, because babysitting them is part of my job. It is easy to think these are "boss privileges", but its a bit like wanting to be a rockstar - if you're not a major star, it means months inside smelly buses and cheap hotels, playing the same songs over and over, away from your family and friends, and probably with people you don't really like that much. But it is easier to point fingers than actually trying to understand what people actually do.
I think you missed the point I was making - It's not necessarily about the products, it's about timing, and being able to identify opportunities. And Jobs was excellent at it - not only with Apple, but also with Pixar and Next. If you know a janitor that has that capability, I'm shure he can work for any top company.
I was replying to the statement made by the parent AC, that "managers don't do shit". If I've had to work everyday 14 hours, I'd be pretty lousy at my job, because it would imply that I couldn't see the "big picture" - realize that it would be difficult to keep the pace for very long, identify why this was happening, and take measures to solve it, as you pointed out very well.
Working 14h happens sometimes, but I feel confortable working 10h/day and some weekends without issue, doing the stuff that I like. Being the manager also gives me some flexibility the other way - it's easier to take a day off when needed, so I can't complain much.
Huh? Every normal kid would probably try to shoot someone they don't like very much, just to see what happens. There are a lot of ways a kid can get killed, but most of them aren't a fraction-of-a-second activity. Also, it's easier to outrun a kid with a bat than a nail fired with a BB gun.
I wouldn't be that confident in Apple's future, now that Steve is gone. Yes it seems Steve has left plans for new gizmos, but timing is everything - and he was excellent at timing. Mp3 players existed before the ipod, smartphones existed before the iphone, tablet computers existed before the ipad. The trick to success was when to release what, and if you look at Apple's recent history before Steve Jobs return, you'll see what I'm saying.
Yeah, apt-get will get you far on redhat/fedora-based distros... Or gentoo.... or slackware... or any other distro that isn't debian-based. The parent is a troll, but you're no better.
I'm management on my own firm and I don't get a big salary and sometimes work 14 hours a day, 6 days a week. What am I doing wrong? Should I slack more often?
But compared to the stuff we had when I was a kid the stuff on the list is a fricking joke! heck when I was a kid we all had minibikes starting as young as 5!
Today kids have that too. My almost-three-year old daughter has a bike that rides like the devil himself is behind her, and sometimes get some nice bruises from falling. She wears a helmet (hey I'm not stupid) and more clothing than average, and we try to watch her all the time, but she's pretty independant. More than I was with her age - she uses the bathroom, can count to 20, can sing whole songs, recognize some numbers, can use the fridge and pick her food, can go to the cabinet and pick silverwear without picking the knives, can say many words, and - since I've been showing her some american Sesame Street videos, she can say some english words. And when she plays outside, she sometimes eats dirt.
In contrast, I have some fellow parent friends with children of the same age that don't eat solid food and live in constant fear of germs. Everything must be sanitized. Who do you think is the bigger kid?:D
The problem is that my parent's generation was too laxing (mercury? eat it, is good for something or it wouldn't be in your food), and the current parents are too misinformed (everything is a threat and will kill your child! with mercury!), and there's no middle ground. And parents are such an easy prey for marketing pitches...
Yes, because sliding a nail with a clipped head in the barrel is just out of reach for most children with a BB gun. But yeah, to kill somebody, you'd need to get really lucky.
You make me remember when I told my mum I was going to try some explosive recipes - and she replied very fast that if I want to do a mess and try explosives, to do it outside because she's not cleaning the kitchen.
I actually don't know enough about those big company's internals to know what kind of optimization they apply. What I know is what everybody knows. I know that google rewrote a JVM for their smart device operating system, in part due to performance reasons (but yes, mainly due to copyright reasons), and the result is similar to a somewhat polished turd. If they have a team capable of rewriting the JVM for a specific market segment, I'd guess they've done some pretty impressive work on the one they're using for "everything".
I honestly don't know what you consider to be large codebases. I'm not trolling, people have different experiences. I've worked with Cobol codebases bigger than some releases of the linux kernel (>300Mb) without any project management or source revision whatsoever. For me, it's a large codebase on a crappy (ohhh so crappy) language. I've also worked with.NET applications with 800 forms. For me is a medium-large codebase. Mabye for what you've seen isn't.
The problem maintaining large PHP codebases isn't PHP itself, it's assuring that crappy code isn't commited, and that all the programmers work at the same level. And since you mention unit testing, it seems this particular problem is the crux of the issue. I don't do unit testing - (I don't "believe" in unit testing - the reasons behind that would be enough for another thread, but let's say I start coding in the nineties). I do some regression testing, but I can see where a big corporation would need to depend on unit testing as an assurance of code quality/conformance on large teams, specially when hiring based on buzzwords and not necessarily competence.
As I said before, yeah, for something facebook-sized, PHP is probably a poor decision(to say it nicely). But it doesn't mean that Java or C++ is the saviour. As an example, they could probably re-code the whole thing in Erlang and have a huge increase in performance, while reducing significantly their codebase. Or maybe their major problem isn't even PHP, they just had a team working on some optimizations. Having structural issues and being verbose about it is not a very good idea if a company is going public soon, so I doubt PHP is one of their major worries (specially given they also seem to use MySQL). But then again, I don't work there - do you?
Are you saying they think? Because I don't think the reasoning they're passing for each action fits on the tweeter character limit on the messages they use to pass out targets....
I guess you were mod down because of the needless insult, but I aggree with you - they are exactly as a mob - acting out of herd adrenaline, and not following some specific agenda. Anonymous stands for many things to many persons, and not necessarily the same causes or values.
So, just because you find pollutants naturally in rocks (and usually in low concentrations), you assume they are only pumping water? Is that what they teached you in highschool?
FYI I happen to live in a region where one of the problems is the natural occurrence of radon, given the abundance of granite, so I have a good idea how dangerous rocks can be, without needing to graduate from highschool or reaching new levels of sarcasm.
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You think they are in bed with the polygraph industry?
But performance with 200 tabs open has no (direct) connection to marketshare in any way.
Yeah it doesn't. And I really hate Chrome's interface and their many many bugs and shortcomings with many tabs opened. But it still beats firefox in about every vector. I want a stable 64 bit firefox release for windows for years. I use IE (for online banking mostly), Firefox (now mainly because of Firebug since they started the rolling release nonsense), Chrome (as my main generic browser) and Opera (as an "alternate" generic browser). By my experience with chrome, I don't need a 64 bit browser, as long as I can use the keyboard to navigate trough tabs.
My work requires me to be fluent in different technogies and environments, so I always have a ton of tabs related to some specific product segment, some tabs related to whatever I'm working on at the moment, and some tabs related to whatever I was working yesterday. One day it maybe a samba issue, other day maybe it's a specific postgresql optimization. Right now I have postgresql's C# references, Magento API references, some programs to test/analyze/review, some Zend Framework 2.0 documentation, a OpenBSD PF examples and documentation, iSCSI FreeBSD documentation, some x86 assembly stuff, some 8052 microcontroller assembly, some pages with the CR2 format (Canon Raw Format), a font editing program, and some new/unknown DNS servers I picked up from a Slashdot story a while ago, This resumes the ~90 tabs I have _right now_ on chrome, at home. I have almost as much opened at work.
Here here. I usually reboot my main machine once a month (and that's when Chrome is shutdown), but Firefox will happily crash/be unresponsive/whatever probably a dozen times during that period. If I see a video and it's choking, I already know - its time to kill firefox again. And the funny thing is, I hate Chrome's interface. That stupid menu, the lack of titlebar, the lack of statusbar, the annoying habit of shrinking the tabsize until you ca't actually read the tab's name, the bugs in the tab interface when you are out of screen (I actually use the keyboard to navigate trough tabs!), it makes me want to hit someone. But compared to firefox, it's awesome. It actually works. It doesn't suck up my memory like there's no tomorrow. I can close (or kill) misbehaved/buggy pages without bringing down the whole browser. If Chrome ever gets something like a full-featured firebug, I probably won't use firefox ever again.
The funny thing is, I use Firefox since it was called Phoenix, the unbloated stripped-down fork of Mozilla Navigator. How things have changed...
Firebug is the only major reason why I still use Firefox, and for years I've had a VM just for running firefox+firebug, because in my main machine, it was almost impossible to use if too much tabs are open. I find myself using more and more Chrome's tools for development, but it's not up to par with firebug yet, specially javascript debugging. But it is fun to reinstall firebug every damn time I restart firefox, because there's a new browser version and they changed plugin compatibility one more time.
Yeah, the problem is when the browser actually needs more memory. I usually have between 100 and 200 tabs open in firefox, and the memory limit (and the memory leaks) are annoying. Firefox is a memory hog (and here usually dies of memory starvation sooner or later), but interestingly enough, there is no stable 64 bit release for windows. I hate Crome's interface, but it is now my main browser, because it behaves so much better than firefox.
I'm not shure chrome is that noisy disk-wise, or how the parent AC measured it (so I'm not confirming it or questioning it), but I find amusing the irony of putting a disk cache in ram so it won't mess things up :)
My daughter is almost 3 years old and never was one of those kids that put stuff in their mouth. I've seen kids the same age that would literally lick everything, so I guess it depends more of the kid itself than the parenting skills. And you are absolutely right, there's no way parents can watch their kids everytime, and some kids are really prone to this kind of events.
If your flat screen is sitting on a tempered glass tabletop, they probably don't need to knock the tv for that to happen. Tempered glass is very sensitive to heat variations, and prone to defects that can make it break apart under tension. The crt tv sets were often too heavy for this kind of furniture, but now is quite popular.
I don't know how old you are (I'm in my thirties) but when I was a kid was pretty common for kids to try to optimize both the blast and the projectile type. And yes, I did try to shoot people, without success :)
It is common practice to award bonuses to employees when a company has a solid economic base an has had an outstanding year. Most of the times, small business have neither a solid economic base or an outstanding year. You seem to think that "the bosses" fill their pocket with money hard earned by their employees - that's not how companies work, specially small companies.
And why should I be patting employees in the back when they do the job they are paid for?
What was that risk, considering they pay themselves a salary out of the companies income, companies which when they go broke often leave a pile of debts and employees with lost benefits but owners with the benefits of inflated salaries (ready to kick off another business in another location). So tell me, oh great risk taker, did you risk as much as a policeman risks, did you risk as much as a soldier risk, did you risk as much as a fireman risks or did you risk just a percentage of what poor people don't even have to risk.
I don't know what backwater third world country you are talking about, or if you are just trolling. Where I live, if a company goes bankrupt, and has pending taxes, healthcare contibutions and salaries, the owers are responsible for them. Criminally responsible. and if the company went bankrupt because of management errors, the owners may find themselves in real legal trouble, as in possibility of jailtime. And it's funny you mention the idea that you can get away with it and start somewhere else - well, if you had debts to the banks, that means no credit whatsoever, no checks, no credit on suppliers. Good luck starting a business without banks. And yes, I know people that are paying for broke companies until they die.
And then you give some pretty stupid examples.Every example you gave of risk jobs are actually pretty safe. There are more people killed by cars when walking every year than cops that die in service. and fyi I was a soldier, but hey, now you say I'm rich. How nice of you. Tell me, how many jobs did you create last year? How much taxes and healthcare fees did you pay last year? How much of your profits did you donate last year? From your speech, I'd guess it's a round number, right?
That's actually not a bad idea :)
It's easy to criticize those who assume the risk of creating a company, those who actually put their money where their mouth is. I don't know _ONE_ small business manager that works less than any other employer. Most people do their job, punch the card, go home and at the end of the month they get their paycheck - bosses have a lot of responsability on their hands, and it doesn't go away just because it's time to go home. Shure, there are bosses that are greedy bastards, liars, cheaters and thieves - but you also have a lot of workers with that traits. Probably many of them would not work if they could live without the paycheck, and not because they don't like their job.
Being boss/manager/whatever is not as glamorous as slashdot posts describe. I have no problem arriving at 11am at the office, because many times I was up late working. I have no problem in taking 3h lunch with clients, because babysitting them is part of my job. It is easy to think these are "boss privileges", but its a bit like wanting to be a rockstar - if you're not a major star, it means months inside smelly buses and cheap hotels, playing the same songs over and over, away from your family and friends, and probably with people you don't really like that much. But it is easier to point fingers than actually trying to understand what people actually do.
I think you missed the point I was making - It's not necessarily about the products, it's about timing, and being able to identify opportunities. And Jobs was excellent at it - not only with Apple, but also with Pixar and Next. If you know a janitor that has that capability, I'm shure he can work for any top company.
I was replying to the statement made by the parent AC, that "managers don't do shit". If I've had to work everyday 14 hours, I'd be pretty lousy at my job, because it would imply that I couldn't see the "big picture" - realize that it would be difficult to keep the pace for very long, identify why this was happening, and take measures to solve it, as you pointed out very well.
Working 14h happens sometimes, but I feel confortable working 10h/day and some weekends without issue, doing the stuff that I like. Being the manager also gives me some flexibility the other way - it's easier to take a day off when needed, so I can't complain much.
Huh? Every normal kid would probably try to shoot someone they don't like very much, just to see what happens. There are a lot of ways a kid can get killed, but most of them aren't a fraction-of-a-second activity. Also, it's easier to outrun a kid with a bat than a nail fired with a BB gun.
I wouldn't be that confident in Apple's future, now that Steve is gone. Yes it seems Steve has left plans for new gizmos, but timing is everything - and he was excellent at timing. Mp3 players existed before the ipod, smartphones existed before the iphone, tablet computers existed before the ipad. The trick to success was when to release what, and if you look at Apple's recent history before Steve Jobs return, you'll see what I'm saying.
Yeah, apt-get will get you far on redhat/fedora-based distros... Or gentoo.... or slackware... or any other distro that isn't debian-based. The parent is a troll, but you're no better.
I'm management on my own firm and I don't get a big salary and sometimes work 14 hours a day, 6 days a week. What am I doing wrong? Should I slack more often?
But compared to the stuff we had when I was a kid the stuff on the list is a fricking joke! heck when I was a kid we all had minibikes starting as young as 5!
Today kids have that too. My almost-three-year old daughter has a bike that rides like the devil himself is behind her, and sometimes get some nice bruises from falling. She wears a helmet (hey I'm not stupid) and more clothing than average, and we try to watch her all the time, but she's pretty independant. More than I was with her age - she uses the bathroom, can count to 20, can sing whole songs, recognize some numbers, can use the fridge and pick her food, can go to the cabinet and pick silverwear without picking the knives, can say many words, and - since I've been showing her some american Sesame Street videos, she can say some english words. And when she plays outside, she sometimes eats dirt. :D
In contrast, I have some fellow parent friends with children of the same age that don't eat solid food and live in constant fear of germs. Everything must be sanitized. Who do you think is the bigger kid?
The problem is that my parent's generation was too laxing (mercury? eat it, is good for something or it wouldn't be in your food), and the current parents are too misinformed (everything is a threat and will kill your child! with mercury!), and there's no middle ground. And parents are such an easy prey for marketing pitches...
Yes, because sliding a nail with a clipped head in the barrel is just out of reach for most children with a BB gun. But yeah, to kill somebody, you'd need to get really lucky.
You make me remember when I told my mum I was going to try some explosive recipes - and she replied very fast that if I want to do a mess and try explosives, to do it outside because she's not cleaning the kitchen.
I actually don't know enough about those big company's internals to know what kind of optimization they apply. What I know is what everybody knows. I know that google rewrote a JVM for their smart device operating system, in part due to performance reasons (but yes, mainly due to copyright reasons), and the result is similar to a somewhat polished turd. If they have a team capable of rewriting the JVM for a specific market segment, I'd guess they've done some pretty impressive work on the one they're using for "everything". .NET applications with 800 forms. For me is a medium-large codebase. Mabye for what you've seen isn't.
I honestly don't know what you consider to be large codebases. I'm not trolling, people have different experiences. I've worked with Cobol codebases bigger than some releases of the linux kernel (>300Mb) without any project management or source revision whatsoever. For me, it's a large codebase on a crappy (ohhh so crappy) language. I've also worked with
The problem maintaining large PHP codebases isn't PHP itself, it's assuring that crappy code isn't commited, and that all the programmers work at the same level. And since you mention unit testing, it seems this particular problem is the crux of the issue. I don't do unit testing - (I don't "believe" in unit testing - the reasons behind that would be enough for another thread, but let's say I start coding in the nineties). I do some regression testing, but I can see where a big corporation would need to depend on unit testing as an assurance of code quality/conformance on large teams, specially when hiring based on buzzwords and not necessarily competence.
As I said before, yeah, for something facebook-sized, PHP is probably a poor decision(to say it nicely). But it doesn't mean that Java or C++ is the saviour. As an example, they could probably re-code the whole thing in Erlang and have a huge increase in performance, while reducing significantly their codebase. Or maybe their major problem isn't even PHP, they just had a team working on some optimizations. Having structural issues and being verbose about it is not a very good idea if a company is going public soon, so I doubt PHP is one of their major worries (specially given they also seem to use MySQL). But then again, I don't work there - do you?
Are you saying they think? Because I don't think the reasoning they're passing for each action fits on the tweeter character limit on the messages they use to pass out targets....
I guess you were mod down because of the needless insult, but I aggree with you - they are exactly as a mob - acting out of herd adrenaline, and not following some specific agenda. Anonymous stands for many things to many persons, and not necessarily the same causes or values.
So, just because you find pollutants naturally in rocks (and usually in low concentrations), you assume they are only pumping water? Is that what they teached you in highschool?
FYI I happen to live in a region where one of the problems is the natural occurrence of radon, given the abundance of granite, so I have a good idea how dangerous rocks can be, without needing to graduate from highschool or reaching new levels of sarcasm.