I have to say it is pretty sad seeing this get downvoted while the parent is upvoted. Acknowledging sexism shouldn't be such a polarizing and difficult thing, and I expected far better of slashdot.
This isn't about attacking presumptions with assumptions about nature and nurture. It is about removing the attitude that "girls can't do this" and "girls don't belong here". As long as that is what we are doing, then hell yeah, let's do it for every industry!:)
So you respond with absolutely no study at all to back up your point? A cursory search of google reveals plenty (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34437233/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/geeks-drive-girls-out-computer-science/#.T8N8orRYuB0) of evidence (http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-03-01/the-rise-of-the-brogrammer) that things aren't exactly rosy.
The only person ignoring facts is you. You are ignoring that guys often make the environment unwelcoming or outright hostile for women.
How is this marked insightful? It is pretty well documented that throughout our educational system in the US (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46998048/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/girls-face-tough-math-problem-teacher-bias/), girls face an uphill battle. Once they finally get to college - IT related fields are not just overwhelmingly male, they are also chock full of sexism. The situation isn't getting better (http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/jan/10/fewer-girls-taking-computer-science). It is this privileged, blind as a bat attitude of "so what" that keeps progress from being made. Instead of saying "so what", we should be saying "ok, now what?". What can we do to make IT, development, and computer science a friendlier place for everyone?
A coordinated effort to rapidly identify and track sneakier efforts could get the word out. That alone would make this effort valuable. In fact, if there was simply a way to collect and display bills (and precisely who was behind them) - that would be pretty effective. They could even take a page from sites like ActBlue, and raise funds for primary and general election challengers to bill sponsors.
Plus, part of the reason SOPA failed was a few big internet companies jumped in. So in addition to being sneaky, new censorship laws would have to avoid angering these relatively new economic powerhouses as well.
All in all, with the right effort, I remain optimistic the fight is not a doomed one.
Holy white on yellow batman! Their site (http://tradeschool.coop/) has successfully burrowed inside my eyes and is setting up a permanent tent city. They could use some help designing the site, or at least getting a readable color scheme. Mayo on yellow mustard surrounded by ketchup is not working.
"possibly have his wages garnished for the rest of his life" I guess indentured servitude in exchange for theft wouldn't burn so much if he had been charged the market value of what he actually stole. Regardless, it is kind of curious to see middle age era laws back in effect: steal from your lord and live a serf's life until you pay back the cost of their hurt feelings.
When I am working on a particularly difficult problem, I read Slashdot for a bit. After drinking down an article about the TSA or censorship, boom! The solution just pops into my head and away I go. That's the Slashdot Advantage(tm)!
Any way you slice it, this is unethical. Restricting usage of an API to developers who sell through your platform (and thus give you 30%), giving your own private cloud service filesystem level integration... Imagine if Microsoft made either of these moves.
I can make it even simpler. No, they are not within their rights to advertise one thing then offer another once they have you locked in. Having a contract that says "we can violate the law if we want to" does not make that contract legal.
Also, their making a move to do something people have asked for does not remove the fact that they engaged in false advertising.
I don't get why "stop bitching and start coding" is good advice. At the very least, bitching leads to interest, which leads to coding from those who can code. But the larger issue is that there aren't always enough motivated developers with applicable skills to fill in the gaps for every organization that decides to drop support for a platform. Even when there is, their efforts can really lag behind that of the primary developers.
It is sometimes used by people with patents to raise money. (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/254316145/hyquator-safe-drinking-water-anytime-anywhere). Its too bad this project didn't meet its goal.
At that young it's not as much age discrimination in the US as it is $$ discrimination. They are saying that because you are older you expect more pay and therefore if we can find someone fresh out of school who can do the same job we'll hire them because we can pay them peanuts.
I'm curious when people find the glass ceiling beginning to show it's face in their respective countries. The age discrimination the poster hints are starts pretty early in the USA, I've seen it start in as early as one's late 20s (though usually it seems to pick up in the early 30s).
If that were true, I'd applaud it. However it is doubly wrong. First: Saverin isn't renouncing his citizenship to protest the ever more powerful police state. He's saving on taxes. Second, Going Galt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Galt) is a response to taxation. It is, in the Randian philosophy, the response of the "producers" deciding to withhold their economic clout and genius from the selfish workers/lazy poor people who want to suck off the teat of big business. It is classic class warfare from the perspective of the 1%.
In reality, the poor are far from lazy, and the ranks of the working poor are ever increasing thanks to short sighted policies that benefit businesses and wealthy individuals over sound economic leadership. The workers (and that includes the innovators) are the ones who move society and our economy forward, not the owners/producers and their teams of lawyers/politicians.
Let's just shut down schools, hospitals, and such. The market will provide. I can't wait to go to the Disney Exxon-Mobile ER and pay a fair market price of $5,000 for a visit that formerly cost $75. The security I will feel knowing that the fire department (which will only exist in communities with enough fires to provide demand) will automatically debit my bank account when they come service a fire in my building.
Ayn Rand was a hypocritical fool who shunned the very value of society only to feed off it in her own time of need.
"Going Galt" is a breaking of the social contract after having benefited from it, and deserves no more admiration than that afforded the bully who steals your lunch money to sneak out and stuff his face with McDonalds.
You've got it backwards. You can't just say "There's widespread voter fraud, unless you can disprove it! Let's enact some laws restricting who can vote!". That makes as much sense as a creationist saying "Unless you can prove God didn't create the Earth, we are clearly right."
She watched too much Community. When oh when will the networks realize the terrible impact their shows have on impressionable old minds?.... Dean ya later!
I don't see environmentalists ignoring anything at all. In fact efforts to fight Oil have been really stepped up, especially in light of what happened in the Gulf with BP. Plus, more and more environmentalists are arguing for modern, safe nuclear power, not against ALL nuclear power. Just the sort of plants that put profits before safety.
If you don't understand how requiring picture id suppresses voters who have other forms of id, then yeah, you don't get it. Voter Fraud in the US is a myth (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/opinion/the-myth-of-voter-fraud.html). What we are left with is populations of people (students, the poor) who typically vote Democrat, and have trouble getting through the hoops Republicans enjoy throwing in their place. So yes, these laws are indeed an assault on voting rights.
Do you have a shred of evidence suggesting environmentalists want control over power vs clean energy? It almost sounds like an oil executive projecting his own motivations onto green activists: "Harumph, CLEARLY they are just after more control and power, and don't actually give a rat's behind about the well being of the planet or the implications for human health!... (cough)... Stevens, fetch me a glass of brandy, I'm done giving press conferences for the day."
2012 will host a bunch of important and close elections, and an even greater portion of the American public won't even be allowed into the polls. Other methods of voter suppression will happen on top of that insidious base.
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I have to say it is pretty sad seeing this get downvoted while the parent is upvoted. Acknowledging sexism shouldn't be such a polarizing and difficult thing, and I expected far better of slashdot.
This isn't about attacking presumptions with assumptions about nature and nurture. It is about removing the attitude that "girls can't do this" and "girls don't belong here". As long as that is what we are doing, then hell yeah, let's do it for every industry! :)
So you respond with absolutely no study at all to back up your point? A cursory search of google reveals plenty (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34437233/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/geeks-drive-girls-out-computer-science/#.T8N8orRYuB0) of evidence (http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-03-01/the-rise-of-the-brogrammer) that things aren't exactly rosy.
The only person ignoring facts is you. You are ignoring that guys often make the environment unwelcoming or outright hostile for women.
How is this marked insightful? It is pretty well documented that throughout our educational system in the US (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46998048/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/girls-face-tough-math-problem-teacher-bias/), girls face an uphill battle. Once they finally get to college - IT related fields are not just overwhelmingly male, they are also chock full of sexism. The situation isn't getting better (http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/jan/10/fewer-girls-taking-computer-science). It is this privileged, blind as a bat attitude of "so what" that keeps progress from being made. Instead of saying "so what", we should be saying "ok, now what?". What can we do to make IT, development, and computer science a friendlier place for everyone?
A coordinated effort to rapidly identify and track sneakier efforts could get the word out. That alone would make this effort valuable. In fact, if there was simply a way to collect and display bills (and precisely who was behind them) - that would be pretty effective. They could even take a page from sites like ActBlue, and raise funds for primary and general election challengers to bill sponsors.
Plus, part of the reason SOPA failed was a few big internet companies jumped in. So in addition to being sneaky, new censorship laws would have to avoid angering these relatively new economic powerhouses as well.
All in all, with the right effort, I remain optimistic the fight is not a doomed one.
Holy white on yellow batman! Their site (http://tradeschool.coop/) has successfully burrowed inside my eyes and is setting up a permanent tent city. They could use some help designing the site, or at least getting a readable color scheme. Mayo on yellow mustard surrounded by ketchup is not working.
Mod parent up.
"possibly have his wages garnished for the rest of his life" I guess indentured servitude in exchange for theft wouldn't burn so much if he had been charged the market value of what he actually stole. Regardless, it is kind of curious to see middle age era laws back in effect: steal from your lord and live a serf's life until you pay back the cost of their hurt feelings.
When I am working on a particularly difficult problem, I read Slashdot for a bit. After drinking down an article about the TSA or censorship, boom! The solution just pops into my head and away I go. That's the Slashdot Advantage(tm)!
Any way you slice it, this is unethical. Restricting usage of an API to developers who sell through your platform (and thus give you 30%), giving your own private cloud service filesystem level integration... Imagine if Microsoft made either of these moves.
I can make it even simpler. No, they are not within their rights to advertise one thing then offer another once they have you locked in. Having a contract that says "we can violate the law if we want to" does not make that contract legal.
Also, their making a move to do something people have asked for does not remove the fact that they engaged in false advertising.
Perhaps before this guy opened his mouth, rather than trying to let it die a quiet death, they were trying to quietly pass it.
I don't get why "stop bitching and start coding" is good advice. At the very least, bitching leads to interest, which leads to coding from those who can code. But the larger issue is that there aren't always enough motivated developers with applicable skills to fill in the gaps for every organization that decides to drop support for a platform. Even when there is, their efforts can really lag behind that of the primary developers.
It is sometimes used by people with patents to raise money. (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/254316145/hyquator-safe-drinking-water-anytime-anywhere). Its too bad this project didn't meet its goal.
How does "significantly slower" == "still be usable"?
Bingo.
I'm curious when people find the glass ceiling beginning to show it's face in their respective countries. The age discrimination the poster hints are starts pretty early in the USA, I've seen it start in as early as one's late 20s (though usually it seems to pick up in the early 30s).
If that were true, I'd applaud it. However it is doubly wrong. First: Saverin isn't renouncing his citizenship to protest the ever more powerful police state. He's saving on taxes. Second, Going Galt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Galt) is a response to taxation. It is, in the Randian philosophy, the response of the "producers" deciding to withhold their economic clout and genius from the selfish workers/lazy poor people who want to suck off the teat of big business. It is classic class warfare from the perspective of the 1%.
In reality, the poor are far from lazy, and the ranks of the working poor are ever increasing thanks to short sighted policies that benefit businesses and wealthy individuals over sound economic leadership. The workers (and that includes the innovators) are the ones who move society and our economy forward, not the owners/producers and their teams of lawyers/politicians.
Let's just shut down schools, hospitals, and such. The market will provide. I can't wait to go to the Disney Exxon-Mobile ER and pay a fair market price of $5,000 for a visit that formerly cost $75. The security I will feel knowing that the fire department (which will only exist in communities with enough fires to provide demand) will automatically debit my bank account when they come service a fire in my building.
Ayn Rand was a hypocritical fool who shunned the very value of society only to feed off it in her own time of need.
"Going Galt" is a breaking of the social contract after having benefited from it, and deserves no more admiration than that afforded the bully who steals your lunch money to sneak out and stuff his face with McDonalds.
You've got it backwards. You can't just say "There's widespread voter fraud, unless you can disprove it! Let's enact some laws restricting who can vote!". That makes as much sense as a creationist saying "Unless you can prove God didn't create the Earth, we are clearly right."
She watched too much Community. When oh when will the networks realize the terrible impact their shows have on impressionable old minds? .... Dean ya later!
I don't see environmentalists ignoring anything at all. In fact efforts to fight Oil have been really stepped up, especially in light of what happened in the Gulf with BP. Plus, more and more environmentalists are arguing for modern, safe nuclear power, not against ALL nuclear power. Just the sort of plants that put profits before safety.
If you don't understand how requiring picture id suppresses voters who have other forms of id, then yeah, you don't get it. Voter Fraud in the US is a myth (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/opinion/the-myth-of-voter-fraud.html). What we are left with is populations of people (students, the poor) who typically vote Democrat, and have trouble getting through the hoops Republicans enjoy throwing in their place. So yes, these laws are indeed an assault on voting rights.
Do you have a shred of evidence suggesting environmentalists want control over power vs clean energy? It almost sounds like an oil executive projecting his own motivations onto green activists: "Harumph, CLEARLY they are just after more control and power, and don't actually give a rat's behind about the well being of the planet or the implications for human health! ... (cough) ... Stevens, fetch me a glass of brandy, I'm done giving press conferences for the day."
It fizzled. In the meantime, record voter suppression laws have been successfully passed by the far right kooks in a number of states: http://www.aclu.org/maps/2011-voting-rights-under-attack-state-legislatures
2012 will host a bunch of important and close elections, and an even greater portion of the American public won't even be allowed into the polls. Other methods of voter suppression will happen on top of that insidious base.