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Canada's Internet Surveillance Bill: Not Dead After All
First time accepted submitter Maow writes "Despite a recent story claiming that Canada's Bill C-30, covering internet surveillance, has died a 'lonely' death, the minister responsible claims otherwise. 'Public Safety Minister Vic Toews is denying reports that the Harper government intends to quietly shelve its controversial online surveillance bill, C-30.' Speaking to reporters on Wednesday morning, Toews insisted the legislation was moving ahead. He has previously stated this is the bill that you either support, 'or you stand with the child pornographers.'"
except me of course
He has previously stated this is the bill that you either support, 'or you stand with the child pornographers.'"
How lame. He needs to spice this up: Either you support his bill, or you are a child pornographer.
Now that has some zing.
What's this bill doing here? Do you really think it's appropriate to bring this kind of legislation to a constitutional monarchy?
What an absolute fucking douchebag this guy is...
Also, judging from the picture in TFA, very likely a comic book supervillian as well...
Dr. Douche? Fagneto? Somebody help me out here...
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
Either you are against this bill, or you are a Nazi.
It's just going to be snuck into the Harper Government's next omnibus novel^W bill
upon the advice of my lawyer, i have no sig at this time
or you stand the with the child pornographers...
Someone needs to spit this line right back at them!
Come on... the submitter should have been able to slip in the Python reference; it's extremely apt under the circumstances.
Speaker of the House: Bring out yer dead! [opposition puts a bill in the bin, unaware of the fact that the bill is actually in discussion]
The Opposition: Here's one.
Speaker of the House: That'll be ninepence.
Bill C-30: I'm not dead.
Speaker of the House: What?
The Opposition: Nothing. [hands the collector his money] There's your ninepence.
Bill C-30: I'm not dead!
Speaker of the House: 'Ere, he says he's not dead.
The Opposition: Yes he is.
Bill C-30: I'm not.
Speaker of the House: He isn't.
The Opposition: Well, he will be soon, he's very ill.
Bill C-30: I'm getting better.
The Opposition: No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a moment.
Speaker of the House: Well, I can't take him like that. It's against regulations.
Bill C-30: I don't want to go on the cart.
The Opposition: Oh, don't be such a baby.
Speaker of the House: I can't take him.
Bill C-30: I feel fine.
The Opposition: Oh, do me a favor.
Speaker of the House: I can't.
The Opposition: Well, can you hang around for a couple of minutes? He won't be long.
Speaker of the House: I promised I'd be at the Liberals'. They've lost nine today.
The Opposition: Well, when's your next round?
Speaker of the House: Thursday.
Bill C-30: I think I'll go for a walk.
The Opposition: You're not fooling anyone, you know. Isn't there anything you could do?
Bill C-30: I feel happy. I feel happy. [The Speaker glances up and down the commons furtively, then whacks the bill with the his mace, solving the problem]
The Opposition: Ah, thank you very much.
Speaker of the House: Not at all. See you on Thursday.
The Opposition: Right.
He has previously stated this is the bill that you either support, 'or you stand with the child pornographers.'"
Damn, Vic -- must be tough. Most people actually think you are a greater threat than a child pornographer. I mean, I think you are a wildly irrational authoritarian with far more power to harm the Canadian populace than any person with your mind-set should have, but.... well... OK, maybe they're right. I guess you are more of a threat than a child pornographer.
Heh, I guess, maybe you should be careful with the comparisons you draw. You might just wind up on the wrong side.
Stop-Prism.org: Opt Out of Surveillance
Funny how people often use the excuse "think of the children" when asking you to give up your rights and freedoms.
I am thinking of the children. Children who will one day not enjoy the rights I had if I do not fight for those rights today.
Having power over so many people necessarily involves limiting at least some of them in ways they do not like.
Every man's freedom-from is a denying of another man's freedom-to.
Nd here I was, all set to go with:
It's not dead yet!
It's just a flesh wound.
It's feeling BETTAH!
Story of my life. A day late & a dollar short...
Understanding the scope of the problem is the first step on the path to true panic.
Are you for mandantory searches of all homes? No? So you stand with the child pornographers.
Are you for mandantory screening of all letters and packages? No? So you stand with the child pornographers.
Are you for mandantory monitoring of all private places? No? So you stand with the child pornographers.
If enough people state publicly that he obviously stands with the child pornographers, maybe his bill will lose support.
What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger.
"Kill 'em all and let Root sort 'em out"
Yup, things are surely working out in the Canadian Parliament. What can you expect when these retards get a majority. (In case you couldn't figure it out, he is talking about format shifting, which will probably become illegal after C-11 gets it 3rd and final reading sometime soon.)
Society use your Sciences
The condescending attitude of the government is beginning to bother most people. I personally don't like being talked down to by idiots.
You lot just had to remind our shitty government about this bill.
The Real Problem with Bill C_30 is Sections 33/34:
Vic's Asst. 1: So have we had any luck tracing that person who sent those emails or who he is working with. You know the other people he has been in contact with.
Vic's Asst. 2: Nope. All we have is the email address but that does give us the name of their ISP.
Vic's Asst. 1: OK so get a warrant for that ISP and find who it was that sent it along with who he is working with.
Vic's Asst. 2: Can't do that. What was done was not a criminal act.
Vic's Asst. 3: Well then how about this. We get the Minister to appoint someone we trust as his agent as per Section 33 to check out this ISP for compliance to Bill C-30. They go there and then once they are in the ISP's premises we use Section 34, which states he can make copies of 'any' information found at the site regardless of where it is stored, to get everything. That gives us all the ISP's user account data as well as the contents of all current user emails, instant messages, voice over IP conversations as well as all the system backups which will contain everything even if has been deleted by the users. Then we bring it all back here and go through it at our leisure looking for 'compliance violations'.
Vic's Asst. 1: And that is legal?
Vic's Asst. 3: Getting it yes, mind you searching it could get the Minister into trouble but then hey isn't what Senate appointments are for.
Vic's Asst. 1: Ok then, works for me.
Undetectable Steganography? Yep, there's an app fo
Perhaps before this guy opened his mouth, rather than trying to let it die a quiet death, they were trying to quietly pass it.
The politicians say this and make the child pornographers seem more relateable. This reminds me when W. said you're either with us, or with the terrorists, and without blinking I said "Terrorists." I'm certainly not happy to be on the same side as the terrorists and child pornographers, and hate the politicians even more for forcing me to do so.
Do they really believe the average person thinks of them as Saints?
in response to mr toews comment "this is the bill that you either support, 'or you stand with the child pornographers.'".
Life isn't black and white. It's a million shades of grey.
what mr toews needs to learn here is that there is at least one more opinion: i do not support child pornography and i do not support a surveillance society.
govts all over the world - stop giving us these black and white choices. it ain't that easy.
In effect what he did was accuse every Canadian of being a kiddie diddler, and having this suspicion of diddling kiddies means that he needs to monitor them.
Conversely if he didn't think they were kiddie diddlers, then he wouldn't NEED to watch them. So the fact he needs to watch EACH and EVERY Canadian to prevent them kiddie diddling means he thinks that EACH and EVERY Canadian is worth the suspicion.
Harper hasn't sacked him, so he's certainly backing him.
Email him every mundane detail of your life... or just cc him on everything: vic.toews@parl.gc.ca
AccountKiller
If you saw any of the news articles from the storm that was going on earlier it became evident that Vic actually never read the bill before introducing it. Someone handed it to him already written and just told him to introduce it to the house. Could have been Harper, one of Harper's minions or maybe someone to whom Harper is a minion.
One thing I notice is that it's deflected attention from another real threat in Bill C-11. This may be an even more pernicious bill dealing in copyright reform. It could spell out a situation where anyone listening to an MP3 player could be detained for suspicion of pirating music or other "intellectual" "property". (cain't quite decide whether such thing as can really be considered intellectual or property but as long as the government is paid off by the entertainment industry, they'll treat it as such.)
So really, if Bill-C-11 gets through, they'll also have enough power to get warrants for any information from any source they want in the form of supposed intellectual property theft.
I do stand with the Child Pornographers in their stance against arson, euthanasia, and whether or not 2+2 is 4.
I stand with Hitler in his belief that vegetarianism is a healthy diet.
What in the hell kind of argument is he making, because I don't want easy, totalitarian government surveillance methods and approval I'm a pedo, because they agree with me?
Well, I guess he also stands with Hitler then, on far more substantive and dangerous matters than where I stand with kiddie pornographers.
So to protect my freedoms or even just disagree with some boneheaded politician, I have to scar children for life now? And keep photographic evidence? And here I was, thinking that democratic process was civilised. Guess not, then. Now for a local kinky kids branch, where's the yellow pages?
Seems like we shoud resume the "Tell Vic Everything" campaign. If Vic is really that interested in spying on everyone, then make it easier for him.
- Add @ToewsVic to every tweet you send.
- Start posting your breakfast details on his Facebook page.
- CC him on every email you send using all his addresses (note they made him new ones after the last campaign - vic.toews@parl.gc.ca / toewsv1@parl.gc.ca / Toews.V@parl.gc.ca )
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/02/16/pol-twitter-tell-vic-everything.html
A thousand-fold this.